chloe loses again to lois

[jimmyolsenblues]

another scene of chloe seeing lois ...um....getting the best deal.


at least i woke up in my own sheets

[Mitko]

re title
She better get used to it.

[thehenry89]

i hate grois. and i'm right there with chloe, sleeping with the boss is as unprofessional and unethical as you can get. I love lois more then any other charachter on the show, but right now watching her is kinda painful.

[erikamichelle614]

so is it jois now, or lulian or what.

[double L]

Originally posted by erikamichelle614
so is it jois now, or lulian or what.

that's a good point, I guess it is Jois now.

[imafan411]

I don't like what Lois is doing now either, but I'm sure it probably won't last too long.
Also I was right there with Chloe. Lois is being unprofessional.
But I love Lois so she'll come around soon!

[double L]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i hate grois. and i'm right there with chloe, sleeping with the boss is as unprofessional and unethical as you can get. I love lois more then any other charachter on the show, but right now watching her is kinda painful.

I think the same way, she's the best character on the show, and I can not stand watching her french Julian Luthor.

[BABarracus]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i hate grois. .

that almost sounds like gross

[D.M.A.]

yea it was messed up how lois went about things tonight,her actions is goin to cost her later.Chloe tried to warn her but she didnt listen,so we'll see how that pans out

[SweetOne]

Chloe's got it right.....it is extremely unprofessional and it especially irritates me that their hiding it now! It's so shady! UGH! Their actions are so unethical. HOW DARE GRANT LIE TO LEX!!! LOL (even if he is Julian)

Not to mention that I still don't understand the "chemistry" between Grant and Lois. I just don't see it. Lois and Olliver were SCORCHING HOT together on the screen......even Lois and AC showed chemistry, but her romantic interactions with Grant just seem to fall flat!

So I don't feel like Chloe is "losing out". Grant does not seem like a catch to me AT ALL. (even if he is related to Lex which is the sexiest thing about him!)

[BABarracus]

grant would be chloe natural enemy anyway since hes a luther

[paolinki25]

Count me in as one who dislikes this Lois/Grant storyline. Honestly, I hate the way they are writing Lois on this show.

[SteveS]

I never liked lois better than I did tonight when she and Grantlian were getting it on the desk. Thats Smallville's version of lois at her best.

Crash goes the theory that lois was 'playing Grant', she is/wasn't, she was/is still clueless.

[Dyanara]

This is just pathetic and makes me think once again that lois should have been sent away and kept away back in season 4. Lois is just acting like an idiot now and grant isnt even all that; she knows nothing about the guy yet she is willing to risk her career! Lois is an idiot and I officially give up.

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
another scene of chloe seeing lois ...um....getting the best deal.

Haha! Well, I think Chloe wins in this case.

Thank god, they haven't taken her character so low.

I wasn't going to fault Lois unless she didn't listen to chloe's warning.

But she didn't.

And what makes look even worse- and harder for me to understand- is that she doesnt even seem to care how it will affect her career or have a clue Grant is bad guy. Whoa.

:eek:

[Alicia Chipy]

Seems to me that any writers penning Lois' lines went on strike at the end of season 6.Al-Myles probably got a third grader to write her part.
Give her better material, and end Grois already.
The secrets and lies are Lana's domain.Don't ruin the Chlo-Lo!

[Lostfan588]

Do diff writers actually write the dialogue for each of the characters? I didnt know that...bc I thought if they could give Chloe, Lex, and Lionel good quips and dialogue, they could write the do the same quality for Lois. :confused:

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by SweetOne
[B] it especially irritates me that their hiding it now! It's so shady! UGH! Their actions are so unethical. /B]

THats the messed up part... they were hiding it before! And GOT CAUGHT! Imagine if it wasn't Chloe knocking! Now they are hiding again... god... this is soo Lexana!

[Honey45]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
THats the messed up part... they were hiding it before! And GOT CAUGHT! Imagine if it wasn't Chloe knocking! Now they are hiding again... god... this is soo Lexana!

Except Lex wasn't Lana's boss.

[Alexander III]

Poor Chloe, she loses everything!

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Except Lex wasn't Lana's boss.

That's not what I meant... I am saying two people who don't belong with eachother... and how everyone was telling them to stay away from one another... very Lexanaish... (note... I am a Lexana shipper really)


Originally posted by Alexander III
Poor Chloe, she loses everything!

Honestly... to me she came out on top in this episode...

[Dyanara]

What makes this even worse is that Lois is new to the job and she is pulling this crap and that they are making out in his office which is the dumbest thing they could both do, they are dying to get caught.

[jazel]

Chloe, along w/ the Kryptonian chicks, was the BEST part of the epi.
Lois I'm ashamed of, maybe that wouldn't be the case IF GG was hot, but we ALL agree he's NOT......HOPING Lex kills him.LOL

[do3mire]

Is Grois gross because of Lois or because of Grant? What if Grant were like a lot older? Like maybe Lionel's age. Would you react differently?

[theotherJane]

Originally posted by Alicia Chipy
Seems to me that any writers penning Lois' lines went on strike at the end of season 6.Al-Myles probably got a third grader to write her part.
Give her better material, and end Grois already.
The secrets and lies are Lana's domain.Don't ruin the Chlo-Lo!

I'm almost convinced the writers threw in their towels, knowing that the strike was inevitable.
They probably got some cheap soap opera writers to fill in the last minute.

[Lostfan588]

Oh, i dunno age makes much of a diff...bc Chlionel seemed to have chemistry...Transference anyone? :lol:

By the way I actually think Grant is....steamin hot. :lol:

I dislike Grois mostly bc of how bad it makes Lois look. If he werent her boss, an evil minion/ Luthor, and j your average coworker it would be fine...well, except that theyve started sleeping together after only a couple eps, just seems kinda rushed to me....also not much chemistry.

Some ppl have it, others dont...and Grois just don't.

[do3mire]

Originally posted by Lostfan588

I dislike Grois mostly bc of how bad it makes Lois look. If he werent her boss, an evil minion/ Luthor, and j your average coworker it would be fine..

Well, I posed the question because I think Grant is a light weight wimp and it does make Lois look bad. But if he were an older motherf*cker like Lionel who was playing her, then maybe we'd feel differently about Lois. But if age dont matter, then SVLois sucks! No?

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe, along w/ the Kryptonian chicks, was the BEST part of the epi.
Lois I'm ashamed of,

Jazel we may have our differences and we may debate a lot... but... *big hug*

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
By the way I actually think Grant is....steamin hot. :lol:

That is what annoys me so much!

Grant is HOT.

Lois is HOT.

By all rights, they SHOULD be hot together. So why do I not get excited about their scenes? They are supposed to be sooo hot for eachother. LOL When they lunge at one another it seems so insincere! They have absolutely NO chemistry.


Originally posted by Lostfan588
Some ppl have it, others dont...and Grois just don't.

AMEN!

[jazel]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Jazel we may have our differences and we may debate a lot... but... *big hug*

agreed, makes "life", interesting ;)
right back at ya :D
NOT kissing up to ANYBODY, Chloe REALLY shined in this epi !
Think CK is losing IQ points, with every moment he spends baking pies, with w/ Lana....he AIN'T so advanced !:lol: :lol: :lol:

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by SweetOne

By all rights, they SHOULD be hot together. So why do I not get excited about their scenes? They are supposed to be sooo hot for eachother. LOL When they lunge at one another it seems so insincere! They have absolutely NO chemistry.

Not just that... i do see chemisty between them and I agree with Lostfan.. both are hot... reason why they are not hot together is you know the relationship is wrong... Grois shouldn't be a ship unless Grant was Lois's DP partner... Or an Editor at another Department and not HER boss... You know it's wrong and thus don't feel the relationship... perfectly normal...


All I know is it's obvious the writers want ED to lose her fans... I mean... look at Jazel... she's said she's ashamed... I can't speak for her but her saying that is a big shocker considering me and her debate Chloe vs. Lois practically every encounter (still love her though :D) It's just.. they are purposely trashing Lois for what reason? I do not know.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chloe was jumping to conclusions and should have minded her own business.

Wow. Lois is dating a reporter with a secret identity. How unheard of. :lol:

[do3mire]

Originally posted by jazel
...with every moment he spends baking pies, with w/ Lana....he AIN'T so advanced !:lol: :lol: :lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by SweetOne
That is what annoys me so much!

Grant is HOT.

Lois is HOT.

By all rights, they SHOULD be hot together. So why do I not get excited about their scenes? They are supposed to be sooo hot for eachother. LOL When they lunge at one another it seems so insincere! They have absolutely NO chemistry.

AMEN!

AMEN!!! :) LOL

I also think it may be partically because while ED is pretty but Grant just appears a wee bit too young for her and the interaction between just seems a little off- the dialogue seems especially forced- it doesnt flow well.

It really does all depends on who the characters are, not necessarily how hot they look together (though thats always a plus lol)-like I actually can see sparks btw Lois and Oliver, and Chloe and Lionel, Jimmy and Kara, Lex and Lana...visually it isnt as important as how well the actors click and characters interact.

Lois and Grant just dont have any chemistry. Heck I almost think Chant have more chemistry even though they dislike each other....weird. But that would be wrong of course....so wrong...:lol:

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Chloe was jumping to conclusions and should have minded her own business.

Wow. Lois is dating a reporter with a secret identity. How unheard of. :lol:

Chloe's conclusion was right and she was concerned for Lois's reputation...

Lois is now dating a Luthor... Lex's Brother... the person she wants to put behind bars... can you imagine if Grant wasn't gonna kick the bucket and they got married Lois would be Lex's sister in law!

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic


Wow. Lois is dating a reporter with a secret identity. How unheard of. :lol:


With a fake public name. That is kind of ironic.

[Delovely]

The guy who plays Grant is NOT a good actor. He's hot but he sucks.

His scene with Lex... ugh.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
With a fake public name. That is kind of ironic.

I'm just beginning to see a pattern with all the guys that Lois dates. They all have a secret.

Poor girl. She's never gonna meet anyone normal.

[theotherJane]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I'm just beginning to see a pattern with all the guys that Lois dates. They all have a secret.

Poor girl. She's never gonna meet anyone normal.

She sure knows how to pick 'em! :rolleyes:

[tariksam]

I just hope this grant is the last one well it has to be I don't they'll add yet another nxt season being the last.

At least make her try to date somone "normal" although after Grant i think we'll see how the motto "I never date someone from work" that TH had was born (I know tht in Lois and Clark the circusntances were different)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Originally posted by tariksam
At least make her try to date somone "normal"

Lex, maybe.

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
reason why they are not hot together is you know the relationship is wrong ... Grois shouldn't be a ship unless Grant was Lois's DP partner... Or an Editor at another Department and not HER boss... You know it's wrong and thus don't feel the relationship... perfectly normal...

I have never been a Lois fan. I could take her or leave her. She could have easily never been written into the script of SV and I wouldn't care less. I'm not obsessed with her ending up with Clark because of the "Legend of Superman".(I'm actually a hardcore Chlarker!) I honestly don't care who they pair her with.

I think what Lois and Grant are doing IS unethical. That is not my issue though. Just the fact that their relationship is so taboo should make it all the more SEXY!! (for goodness sake I LOVE Lexana!)

You said that "reason why they are not hot together is you know the relationship is wrong". But that is NOT it! That is what is so weird. I don't exactly know why Grois "doesn't do it for me".

The only explanation I can come up with is that the two actors do not have natural chemistry. I have seen Lois have chemisrty with pretty much every other male. I loved the flirty scene with Clark in the dunk tank, her banter with AC at the Talon, I felt insane chemistry pretty much anytime Lois was in a scene with Olliver and most recently she was totally sizzling in the scene when Lex catches her breaking into Luthor corp.

So I know what she is able to bring to the scene.....she just can't seem to bring it with Grant IMO.

[LoisL]

I hate that Lois/Grant are sleeping together.*sad*

Unlike a lot of you here, I enjoyed the interaction btwn Lois and Grant in their first two episodes together. After all, I think Lois is exactly the kind of girl that would be the darling of the editor. She is very much Perry White's darling in the comics but happily as he's a lot older and married etc. it's a paternal soft-spot vs. hots. So I thought a spontaneous mutual crushing btwn Grois would be cute and workable so long as they held it in check and tried to underplay it.

As it stands now, it's just so unethical and unappealing. I still like their dialogue for the most part. I can't help it. I always enjoy Lois' bantering. But the slimy smirking and sneaking into offices deal just puts the whole thing beyond the pale. Man, and I was missing Lois so much during her absence!! :(

Chloe was ok, absolutely above reproach. She just looks so stressed these days that it's aging her prematurely.

[Kal-ed]

If this is Lois, i want Chlois

[ginnyfan]

I enjoy Lois and Grant but the chemistry isn't hot enough to pull off a forbidden romance. It's just tacky. I don't know why this thread is saying the Chloe lost out in some way. LOL! I was glad to see Chloe warn Lois about the fallout... I'm hoping the fallout isn't lame. Lois sneaking around to date Grant is distasteful. I'm glad he's more misguided than evil but... Yuck.

I liked the fact that Lex is concerned about Lois finding out the connection between Lex and Grant but mostly... it's just... wrong. Hopefully this forbidden romance will turn into a lead on a story for Lois and quick.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think what the OP meant is that Lois gets 'a better deal' than Chloe in the boy friend area.

Chloe is right now single after breaking up with Panda Boy, while Lois is currently with some one better than Jimmy.

I don't think anything about Chloe VS Lois was implied. They're not in competition.

And since this thread clearly has nothing to do with chlois, I really don't see why it needs to be brought up.

Back to topic:

If Chloe wants a better boyfriend she's gonna have to stop lowering her standards.

[ginnyfan]

I think Jimmy is better than Julien/Gabriel any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So... I disagree. Anyways Chloe is the one who chose not to tell Jimmy. I don't feel sorry for her on that count at all.

[freefall]

Lois is being very stupid here, I'm just glad to see Chloe calling out on her right away.


Originally posted by aqgalaxy
All I know is it's obvious the writers want ED to lose her fans... I mean... look at Jazel... she's said she's ashamed... I can't speak for her but her saying that is a big shocker considering me and her debate Chloe vs. Lois practically every encounter (still love her though :D) It's just.. they are purposely trashing Lois for what reason? I do not know.

For me, being a fan is for someone to be able to actually admit when his or her favourite character is doing something wrong or stupid, instead of worshipping that character blindly. :)

[Twitch]

Originally posted by seacrystal
[BFor me, being a fan is for someone to be able to actually admit when his or her favourite character is doing something wrong or stupid, instead of worshipping that character blindly. :) [/B]
Too bad more people don't take a page out of your book, we can only hope they'll see the light some day. :)

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
If this is Lois, i want Chlois

Bello? Are... Are you joining my side? Should I get the champagne?

[celita]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Lois is being very stupid here, I'm just glad to see Chloe calling out on her right away.

Yeah, I'm not happy either :(


Originally posted by seacrystal
For me, being a fan is for someone to be able to actually admit when his or her favourite character is doing something wrong or stupid, instead of worshipping that character blindly. :)

I agree seacrystal, I hope that this will be just a step in her development and that Lois will learn something with this plot made of crap :( . But I will remain being Lois's fan, even if I don't like Grois. I didn't like the fake baby plot and I still love Lex, and I hate half of the Clark's arcs and I didn't give up with him yet, so...


quote:
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Originally posted by Kal-ed
If this is Lois, i want Chlois
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Bello? Are... Are you joining my side? Should I get the champagne?

GAAAAAAAAAA! :eek: Eddie don't!, don't join the dark side, remember what happened to Anakin! :rotfl:

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by celita

GAAAAAAAAAA! :eek: Eddie don't!, don't join the dark side, remember what happened to Anakin! :rotfl:

No... I want him on my side and it aint Dark! EDLois did it to herself...

[celita]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
No... I want him on my side and it aint Dark! EDLois did it to herself...

We won't lose him without a fight! :rotfl: You're warned! :lol:

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by celita
We won't lose him without a fight! :rotfl: You're warned! :lol:
Ohhh bring it on bella!... HE'S MINE NOW! :lol:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Seeing as this thread has nothing to do with chlois, I'm gonna attempt to get back on topic.

I really don't see how Lois gets a 'better deal' than Chloe. Grant still treats her as he would any other employee. He calls her out on her mistakes and he's not giving her any special treatment.

As much as I hate Grois, I'm happy that so far all it has amounted to is just a little bit of smooching.

And hopefully Lois will learn from her experience and come out a much stronger and less naive person.

[celita]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Ohhh bring it on bella!... HE'S MINE NOW! :lol:

Ok guapa, but you should know that the destiny and the messenger are in my side! :rotfl:


Ok, back on topic!

Everyone has a plot made of crap in this show sometimes, this is Lois's. It would't happen if Al/Miles weren't in love with the relationships. Women that have not a love interest in Smallville die aparently!

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Seeming as this thread has nothing do with chlois I'll attempt to get back on topic.

I really don't see how Lois gets a better deal than Chloe. Grant still treats her as he would any other employee. He calls her out on her mistakes and he's not giving her any special treatment.

As much as I hate Grois, I'm happy that so far all it it has amounted to is just a little bit of smooching.

And hopefully Lois will learn from her experience and come out a stronger and less naive person.

No offense but Lois is getting a better deal... she's being giving more opprotunity to write stories and is sent off to assignments.. while Chloe isn't, and Lois has virtually no background in journalism. And he calls her out or he goes "Next time Lois" and flirts afterward? If you are talking about that final scene before the text message you can tell that him berating her was just for show... sorry but I can't see how one can bend this...


Originally posted by celita
Ok guapa, but you should know that the destiny and the messenger are in my side! :rotfl:
Well destiny is highly overrated considering the Reboot that is supposed to happen, but if Chlois is real... then the destiny is also in my side then too hehe

[samanta]

I feel sorry for Chloe. In Wrath Lana's and Chloe's friendship ended and now Lois has gone crazy too. It has to be hard for her.

[SteveS]

Well of course,lois is getting a better deal. She has had no great or even modest success at the Planet to justify sending her on expense paid trips. She was however apparently about to get nailed on the boss' desk which explains a number of things, one being that they are much more intimate than smooching. Oh my, a Luthor has soiled lois lane!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by seacrystal

For me, being a fan is for someone to be able to actually admit when his or her favourite character is doing something wrong or stupid, instead of worshipping that character blindly. :)

Exactly, totally agree. The direction that TPTB have taken with Lois' character in the last two episodes is disgraceful. There's no excuse for it. It's unnecessary and it clearly just feeds into TPTB's idea that romantic couples are what fuel this show which I completely disagree with. I still would like to see how things rap up with this storyline. If TPTB can have Lois realize her mistakes and get back on track, then I can deal with this for a couple of episodes. The strike is what bothers me, though, and not just with Lois' character but with everyone. You'd hate to see the season end earlier than expected and miss out on some great character moments later in the season, and by great character moments, I mean potential redemption arcs.


Originally posted by aqgalaxy
No offense but Lois is getting a better deal... she's being giving more opprotunity to write stories and is sent off to assignments.. while Chloe isn't,


She's being sent out on assignment and getting nothing published. I admit that Lois is making huge mistakes here by getting involved with Grant, BUT she is not getting anything in return for being involved with him. She is not being promoted and she is not getting any articles published. She also doesn't expect to get something in return for being with Grant either. And as far as opportunities go, Chloe had huge opportunities last season to write about Lex, Justice and Progeny, and she CHOSE not to write about it. So I can't really feel sorry for Chloe that she is getting no opportunities when she is sitting on a very big Luthor story. Her lack of opportunities is a product of the decisions that she made.


Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic

I really don't see how Lois gets a 'better deal' than Chloe. Grant still treats her as he would any other employee. He calls her out on her mistakes and he's not giving her any special treatment.


That right there is the key. This is just a romance, it's not some deal that Lois is making to get ahead at the DP. It doesn't make it right, don't get me wrong, but there is a big difference, IMO, between having a romantic relationship with someone and having a romantic relationship with someone specifically to get ahead and expect things in return.

[eas]

Yeah, I have to jump in and say that I absolutely hate this plot with Grant/Lois.

I knew I'd hate it when I read the spoilers for it long ago and it's lived up to my hate.

I adore Lois Lane & this was the FIRST time ever that I had to fast forward through a scene of Erica's. I couldn't take it.

However, I don't think that Lois looked absolutely bad in this episode. Nor do I think TPTB were trying to make her look bad. Clearly, they were addressing the fear that Grant had hired her for her looks -- they made it a point to say, "No, it was because of her article on Titan that she was noticed by the DP."

Then, later, we see Lex Luthor call her "smart and sexy" and doesn't want Grant anywhere near Lois Lane because of her "insatiable curiousity" and the fear he has that Lois will piece everything together. He admits to Grant that Lois is not the sort of girl you want to "catch and release".

I liked that we get to see how Lois is effecting Lex from Lex's side...we've seen Lois's side and how she wants to bring them down. It's nice to see that Lex is aware of this and that he's scared of her.

Very iconic Lex/Lois relationships. LOVE it. :D

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by eas
Nor do I think TPTB were trying to make her look bad. Clearly, they were addressing the fear that Grant had hired her for her looks -- they made it a point to say, "No, it was because of her article on Titan that she was noticed by the DP."


The Lex Grant scene revealed Grant was researching Lois AFTER they supposedly hooked up... so no it wasn't based on her fabricated Titan article

[khufu]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I think what the OP meant is that Lois gets 'a better deal' than Chloe in the boy friend area.

Chloe is right now single after breaking up with Panda Boy, while Lois is currently with some one better than Jimmy.I fail to see how Grant is "better than Jimmy." At least Jimmy was honest with Chloe, whereas Grant is lying straight to Lois' face every day. Jimmy Olsen vs a lying Luthor clone? Not even close.


Originally posted by eas
However, I don't think that Lois looked absolutely bad in this episode. Nor do I think TPTB were trying to make her look bad. Clearly, they were addressing the fear that Grant had hired her for her looks -- they made it a point to say, "No, it was because of her article on Titan that she was noticed by the DP."Actually, I DO think that made Lois look bad (or, more accurately, stupid), because she readily believed it even though there was no way it could possibly be true (much as she readily believed Clark's ridiculous account of the events that took place after she was knocked out in Combat). According to what we saw on-screen, Grant offered Lois a job for bringing in an alien story before he even knew her name - she never introduced herself in their first meeting, other than to say she worked for the Inquisitor. So for him to claim that that he had somehow done some research on her work prior to making her an offer is clearly false - and Lois should have realized that.


Then, later, we see Lex Luthor call her "smart and sexy" and doesn't want Grant anywhere near Lois Lane because of her "insatiable curiousity" and the fear he has that Lois will piece everything together.
I wouldn't exactly call that "fear," stating that eventually she would put the pieces together. She's dating someone who is most likely a clone and whose entire backstory is an elaborate fabrication. She'd have to be an idiot not to eventually put the pieces together. Lex isn't exactly calling her Einstein there. YMMV.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Originally posted by eas
Then, later, we see Lex Luthor call her "smart and sexy" and doesn't want Grant anywhere near Lois Lane because of her "insatiable curiousity" and the fear he has that Lois will piece everything together. He admits to Grant that Lois is not the sort of girl you want to "catch and release".

I'm sorry, but that just came totally out of the blue. And also weirded me out a bit.

I know that in the comics Lex has a thing for Lois, but I seriously hope that they never go the Lexis route on this show.

It'd be worse than Grois IMO.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by SweetOne
Chloe's got it right.....it is extremely unprofessional and it especially irritates me that their hiding it now! It's so shady! UGH! Their actions are so unethical. HOW DARE GRANT LIE TO LEX!!! LOL (even if he is Julian)

Not to mention that I still don't understand the "chemistry" between Grant and Lois. I just don't see it. Lois and Olliver were SCORCHING HOT together on the screen......even Lois and AC showed chemistry, but her romantic interactions with Grant just seem to fall flat!

So I don't feel like Chloe is "losing out". Grant does not seem like a catch to me AT ALL. (even if he is related to Lex which is the sexiest thing about him!)

I totally agree, the chemistry is NOT there with GG like it was with Oliver. To be that was very blatant.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by khufu

Actually, I DO think that made Lois look bad (or, more accurately, stupid), because she readily believed it even though there was no way it could possibly be true (much as she readily believed Clark's ridiculous account of the events that took place after she was knocked out in Combat). According to what we saw on-screen, Grant offered Lois a job for bringing in an alien story before he even knew her name - she never introduced herself in their first meeting, other than to say she worked for the Inquisitor. So for him to claim that that he had somehow done some research on her work prior to making her an offer is clearly false - and Lois should have realized that.


I agree BUT this could be like the Julian thing itself, nothing other than continuity issues, nothing new; how many times have we seen stuff that timeline wise couldnt be possible yet it is. I think there was this thing with Chloe and her age when her mom disapered. Or how sometimes it takes Clark 10 seconds to get to Metropolis and back and sometimes a lot more, like when he went to get a champagne for Simone in Hypnotic but couldnt make it to Lois´s flat in Arrow.


Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Bello? Are... Are you joining my side? Should I get the champagne?

Im sorry Bella, I was just very upset last night, I still dont think Chlois will happen, I just really dislike how they´r writing Lois right now.

Bacci


Originally posted by celita
Ok guapa, but you should know that the destiny and the messenger are in my side! :rotfl:


Indeed they are, You´r awsome Celi:)

besos

[yosemiteangel]

I adore Lois, but this was just wrong. I'll have to watch it again (not at 7:30 am and half asleep from work), but I just couldn't watch the Grant/Lois scenes. I let them run, but I read a book or got online. :mad:

I hope they resolve this in a way that opens Lois' eyes but not totally ruins her reputation. I mean, she is going to be Lois Lana, DP reporter, and respected journalist. Let her be that, please!

[Chlarkislove]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Lex, maybe.


As much as I like Lexois, how is Lex normal? And when doesn't he have secrets?

[khufu]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I agree BUT this could be like the Julian thing itself, nothing other than continuity issues, nothing new; how many times have we seen stuff that timeline wise couldnt be possible yet it is.
Well first of all, we don't yet know if the Julian thing actually is a big continuity glitch. If he's a clone, and if Lex was being less than honest with him in their conversation, then it could make sense without crushing continuity. But that's beside the point. In the Grois scene, we aren't supposed to believe Grant, we are supposed to, IMHO, conclude that he is lying to Lois - the initial look on his face spoke volumes. The fact that he was able to come up with a quick lie on-the-fly only means... well, that he's a Luthor. But I agree entirely with IGN's account of that scene...

Chloe's speech to Lois was a breath of fresh air and pretty much rings true when it comes to Lois' legacy. Does she really want to be remembered as the woman who got her job based on her looks? Grant tries to brush this off by claiming he was intrigued by Lois' writing before he ever met her but you'd have to be blind not to see through that. Sadly, Lois doesn't seem to care and even though she attempts to break up with him she succumbs to her emotions.
Accordingly, Lois came off looking pretty stupid (.... again) for believing him - Just like the scene in Wrath where she's complaining about not being able to write the story because she didn't have the hard drive, while the hard drive was sitting right there on Grant's desk as he was deleting it. Unfortunately, the writers have a habit of writing scenes that make Lois look completely oblivious to what would be obvious to anyone else.

[Old Juan]

When has the writing ever been good for EDLois? This is simply adding another layer of garbage on top of an already badly written character. The writing for EDLois has pretty much been mediocre to just plain bad from the very beginning.

I never understood how anybody could have taken her seriously up to "Blue" to begin with but after......no way can I take this character seriously ever.

Chloe was absolutely correct going WTF!! to EdLois. At least she cares about her cousins reputation, apparently more then her cousin does.

As for the BS that Grant was slinging to EDLois about hiring her based on her Combat article. We're clearly not supposed to buy anything this guy says anymore. His integrity was suspect from the first time he appeared on screen and Blue simply confirms that he's compromised and has been from the very beginning.

Besides Lois being hired based on her article from Combat is hardly a good thing anyway because that article was tabloid trash.

Yes Lois has been getting perks from her relationship with Grant. She's getting opportunities and assignments that she shouldn't be getting at her level. The fact that she hasn't gotten anything printed yet is of little relevance for the argument that she's not getting perks. She shouldn't even be getting sent out on assignments at her stage and yet she's gotten sent out several times already.

The real test of her abilities is going to come when Grant goes bye-bye and she no longer has a benefactor in a high place.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Maybe Chloe has gotten offers to go on out of town assignments too, but she'd prefer to stay closer to home just incase Clark needs her to google or the JLA need help with blowing something up.

[samanta]

^^
Not likely IMO.
I agree that Lois is getting perks from her relationship.
I mean not only she was send out on asigments but we don't know about any of her articles being published. Yet Grant calls her star reporter.
I'm no expert but if all her articles are either bad or without proofs shouldn't she be like kicked out of DP or at least being assigned partner so she could learn from someone else how to write?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I would think it'd be pretty obvious that the 'assignments' are just a way of explaining why Lois isn't at the place where she works in the episodes she's not in. I don't take much notice of them.

And so what if we don't see Lois writing articles on the show? They're mostly used for plot exposition any way.

According to Grant Chloe spent most of her time writing 'filler stories' and 'sofa adds'. But have we actually seen her write them?

Just because we don't see the characters writing and getting their articles printed doesn't mean it's not actually happening.

[samanta]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I would think it'd be pretty obvious that the 'assignments' are just a way of explaining why Lois isn't at the place where she works in the episodes she's not in. I don't take much notice of them. Does it change anything? I don't think so. She's still on assigment.


Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic


And so what if we don't see Lois writing articles on the show? They're mostly used for plot exposition any way.

According to Grant Chloe spent most of her time writing 'filler stories' and 'sofa adds'. But have we actually seen her write them?

Just because we don't see the characters writing and getting their articles printed doesn't mean it's not actually happening. So you are saying that when it's said that Lois is on assigment it doesn't matter because it's only excuse but we are to assume that she's writing so good articles which are printed to be called star reporter or what? :confused:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Grant only mentioned her being a 'star reporter' in a dozen years time. Which was an obvious nod to the mythos and the first movie.

And his 'ace reporter' compliment seemed to me like just a cover for the real reason why he didn't want her investigating Lex.

[samanta]

^^
But it still doesn't change anything, does it?

[FULLMETALMARTA]

i think the powers that be know what it looks like with her and the editor fooling around and i hope they have a plan to salvage her reputation and character. I don't have a problem with her making mistakes, I mean after all Clark keeps going after the wrong women as well!
(Lana is as evil as lex...I don't care what anyone says!)

Maybe this is their point, that they both have problems until they finally see each other. Until then...I do have to agree this story line sucks....

Like I said...I think they will have her realize once again her mistake and then maybe she will back away from romance for a while...at least until Cloisrears its head.


May it be sooner than later!

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by khufu
Well first of all, we don't yet know if the Julian thing actually is a big continuity glitch. If he's a clone, and if Lex was being less than honest with him in their conversation, then it could make sense without crushing continuity. But that's beside the point. In the Grois scene, we aren't supposed to believe Grant, we are supposed to, IMHO, conclude that he is lying to Lois - the ...

I dont know if it was on purpose or not but you forgot to quote and/or respond to the second half of my post which had already proven examples of TPTB simply overlooking timeline logic and commiting chronological atrocities.

Although Grant hired Lois befor learning her name, with SV´s writers its not at all imposible that he did have backround check on her and already knew stuff about her although there is evidence that would make it imposible, like Chloe´s mom disapearing age. Or Chloe commutting from SV to Metropolis (an alleged 3 hour drive) working in the DP while moonlighting as Clark´s sidekick and still have time to be on to her cousins love affairs. Absolutely nothing against Chloe, just saying that TPTB dont usually make it a priority to have things make sense, I think they abuse the suspence of belief part of a sci fi show.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I dont know if it was on purpose or not but you forgot to quote and/or respond to the second half of my post which had already proven examples of TPTB simply overlooking timeline logic and commiting chronological atrocities.

Although Grant hired Lois befor learning her name, with SV´s writers its not at all imposible that he did have backround check on her and already knew stuff about her although there is evidence that would make it imposible, like Chloe´s mom disapearing age. Or Chloe commutting from SV to Metropolis (an alleged 3 hour drive) working in the DP while moonlighting as Clark´s sidekick and still have time to be on to her cousins love affairs. Absolutely nothing against Chloe, just saying that TPTB dont usually make it a priority to have things make sense, I think they abuse the suspence of belief part of a sci fi show.
No, I didn't forget to respond to the second part of your post - my response to that is the same as the first. Trust me, I'm well aware that Smallville suffers from chronic continuity deficiency syndrome. And while this could be another example of that, what I've seen on-screen suggests otherwise. There are two ways of explaining that scene: 1) it was a glaring retcon of something that happened just a few episodes ago; 2) Grant was lying to Lois. Well, based on the clearly guilty look on his face, the fact that he's already lying to her every day, and the fact that the audience is supposed to think he's a bad guy with nefarious intentions, it seems obvious to me that the explanation is simply that Grant lied to her. And she bought it... And looked stupid... Again.

But, of course, what with free will and all, we can each come to whatever conclusion makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside; logic be damned. So don't let my less-than-flattering interpretation of the scene ruin your day.

[WickedJenn]

I know this is TV, but I can't help laughing at some things regarding journalism on there.

That was my minor in college, and I wrote for our university's paper.

From what my journalism profs said, when getting hired at a paper, you have to have a body of articles, and I'm thinking decent ones at that. Hell, I had to show at least three before my university paper hired me as a copy editor. And they start you out LOW, you'd have to be a copy editor first and work your way up if you're just breaking into the newspaper business. So Lois getting hired like that and automatically just jumping right in writing big stories is kind of laughable.

And you also would not get assigned major stories right away like that. I never really got a choice for what I wanted to write about until I was a more seasoned reporter/editor.

She had virtually no previous experience (other than that Inquisitor crap) or journalism classes, from what I can recall specifically pertaining to Smallville.

Now they have it more right with Chloe. She did a lot at the Torch, not just the stories, but layout (which can be a big pain). They are still starting her out in the basement even with all her experience, because that's what they do, especially at a big paper like that. You won't get hired by say, the Washington Post as a reporter right off the bat based off of a few tabloid articles!

As I said, I know it's TV, but it's still interesting to compare.

If you all recall in the Superman films, Lois is not a fantastic speller, and I like how they keep that element about her in the show.

[samanta]

Originally posted by WickedJenn
From what my journalism profs said, when getting hired at a paper, you have to have a body of articles, and I'm thinking decent ones at that. Hell, I had to show at least three before my university paper hired me as a copy editor. And they start you out LOW, you'd have to be a copy editor first and work your way up if you're just breaking into the newspaper business. So Lois getting hired like that and automatically just jumping right in writing big stories is kind of laughable.

I guess you didn't date editor ;)
I agree it's laughable and kinda sad because Lois entry to DP should be handled better IMO.

[tariksam]

Or she didn't betray a friend ;)

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by samanta
I guess you didn't date editor ;)
I agree it's laughable and kinda sad because Lois entry to DP should be handled better IMO.

Lol nope, I had to work my tail end off.

I remember fall semester senior year, I was taking two journalism classes at once and writing for the paper.

I had the same professor in both classes, and he was fantastic helping me out.

He always said that when you start out at a paper, you'll be doing 5-6 stories a day as a new reporter and that you might have gray hair by the time you hit 25 if you did right out of school :lol:

[samanta]

Originally posted by WickedJenn

He always said that when you start out at a paper, you'll be doing 5-6 stories a day as a new reporter and that you might have gray hair by the time you hit 25 if you did right out of school :lol: My professor said me the same. I've never wanted to take journalism class but it was one of obligatory classes I had to take in my program. In the end he let me pass the class only after I promised him I will never attempt to actually work for newspapers :D
I'm glad it's behind me.


Originally posted by tariksam
Or she didn't betray a friend ;) Chloe paid for it later and it has nothing to do with her being in DP now.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by samanta
My professor said me the same. I've never wanted to take journalism class but it was one of obligatory classes I had to take in my program. In the end he let me pass the class only after I promised him I will never attempt to actually work for newspapers :D
I'm glad it's behind me.


As hard as it was, and even though I felt like I lived in the newsroom, I did like it a lot. I even got a front page byline that fall, it was awesome seeing my name up there on the top half of the first page. But after school I was so burned out from it that I wanted a break.

I hope Chloe gets a big byline sometime soon, I think she's probably a very talented writer.

[samanta]

^^
Congratulation. Half top of the front page is big thing.

[WickedJenn]

Thanks!

Yeah you should have seen my face at the budget meeting, my mouth dropped open.

My story was 4 columns long, I had so much info in it, but I NEVER thought it'd be up there lol.

Sorry all! Didn't mean to hijack here.

[tariksam]

Originally posted by samanta
Chloe paid for it later and it has nothing to do with her being in DP now.

Yeah right cause her interview with the EiC that second time had nothing to do with the first one.:rolleyes:

And yeah Lois slept with Grant for the job......:rolleyes:

At least lois entered thinking (well it might have been that reason cuase there is no cannon showing that Grant hired her for her boobs only) she was hired because her previous work.

Chloe entered KNOWING she was betraying a friend and guess what her second time was a consequence of the first.....

BIG diference.

But since Moaning Myrtle SUEllivan paid we are supposed to forget her shemeful first time at the DP

[celita]

Who says that Lois won't have to pay?, Are we proffesor Trelawney now?

[samanta]

^^
I've no idea who is EiC supposed to be.
It wasn't Chloe's first time at the DP and I'm not asking any one to forget how she got there the second time. I actually like this storyline. It makes Chloe more interesting.
But it has nothing to do with the fact that she was later hired in Thirst. The editor even called her on it.
I didn't say anything about Lois being hired that way.
Bashing other characters won't me your favorite one look better. It would be nice if people start to keep it in mind.

[tariksam]

Originally posted by celita
Who says that Lois won't have to pay?, Are we proffesor Trelawney now?
Memo: SUEllivan is the only one who can a have a redemption arc.....

But hell we know that having a romance with your boss and betraying af friend is the EXACT same thing.

Being hired because of your looks (which I repeat there is no canon proving it and guess what it wouldn't be your fault.....) and being hired because you gave your friend in silver plate to an enemy is also the same OMG!!!!!!! kind of thing.

EiC: Editor in Chief

[samanta]

Originally posted by celita
Who says that Lois won't have to pay?, Are we proffesor Trelawney now? I didn't say anything like this. If someone else will find out about her and editor, she probably will.

[eas]

Originally posted by celita
Who says that Lois won't have to pay?, Are we proffesor Trelawney now?

Wait, didn't Prof. Trelawney make (mostly) wrong predictions?? ;)

Well, I don't know if Lois will have to "pay" necessarily, but I do think that it'll be a big deal when she finds out who Grant really is and what's been going on with his character. I definitely think she's going to have a "WTF" moment and chalk it up as (another) dead-end relationship.

And I'd like to believe that Lois will use this as a learning opportunity (which, yes, will happen mostly in offscreensville and fanfiction) and never, ever, date her boss again.

[khufu]

Originally posted by tariksam
Chloe entered KNOWING she was betraying a friend and guess what her second time was a consequence of the first.....

BIG diference.
Chloe never betrayed Clark, because she never gave Lionel anything on him. She agreed to at first, when she was mad, but she never went through with it. Big difference. And her interview with Kahn would never have taken place if Kahn didn't think she was qualified. A busy editor at a major newspaper isn't going to just call someone in for an interview if they have no intention of hiring them. Kahn may have busted Chloe's balls (err, ovaries) because she was displeased with the favor that Chloe had received from Lionel, but she never would have wasted the time to speak with her in the first place if she had not recognized Chloe's talents and accomplishments. Without the Luthor deal, Chloe still would have had her first DP internship, her Ledger article, dozens of Torch articles, her outstanding academic record, and four years of running her school's paper. The only thing the Luthor deal accomplished was to put her in bad favor with Kahn and make it that much harder to prove her worth.

But.... isn't this thread about Lois?

But since Moaning Myrtle SUEllivan paid we are supposed to forget her shemeful first time at the DP
No, Chloe's first time at the DP was when she EARNED an internship in high school. You should know what actually happens on the show before you start complaining about it. She missed her interview due to being abducted, but she wrote an article on the experience which was then published in The Ledger, and this article is what earned her the internship at the Daily Planet.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Originally posted by samanta
Bashing other characters won't make your favorite one look better. It would be nice if people start to keep it in mind.

We're not the ones you need to be telling.

[samanta]

Originally posted by tariksam
Memo: SUEllivan is the only one who can a have a redemption arc.....

But hell we know that having a romance with your boss and betraying af friend is the EXACT same thing.

Being hired because of your looks (which I repeat there is no canon proving it and guess what it wouldn't be your fault.....) and being hired because you gave your friend in silver plate to an enemy is also the same OMG!!!!!!! kind of thing.

EiC: Editor in Chief Again I've never said anything of that sort. My first comment wasn't about why she was hired. Besides it was reply to previous comment and meant as joke and not attempt to bashing (see smilies) .
So be nice and cool down, please. I can understand that Lois storyline right now can't be pleasant for her fans but this is getting ridiculous.


Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
We're not the ones you need to be telling. Sorry, but did you read what she write in her comment? Almost everyone who visits this site needs to be told this from time to time.
And who is We? Is there some cult I should know about? ;)

[tariksam]

Originally posted by eas
Wait, didn't Prof. Trelawney make (mostly) wrong predictions?? ;)

Well, I don't know if Lois will have to "pay" necessarily, but I do think that it'll be a big deal when she finds out who Grant really is and what's been going on with his character. I definitely think she's going to have a "WTF" moment and chalk it up as (another) dead-end relationship.

And I'd like to believe that Lois will use this as a learning opportunity (which, yes, will happen mostly in offscreensville and fanfiction) and never, ever, date her boss again.

I think THIS will be the origen of the "I never date someone from work" rule THLois had

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Compared to the sweet deal that Chloe got in season 3, Lois is hardly getting any special treatment at all.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by khufu
Chloe never betrayed Clark, because she never gave Lionel anything on him. She agreed to at first, when she was mad, but she never went through with it. Big difference. And her interview with Kahn would never have taken place if Kahn didn't think she was qualified. A busy editor at a major newspaper isn't going to just call someone in for an interview if they have no intention of hiring them. Kahn may have busted Chloe's balls (err, ovaries) because she was displeased with the favor that Chloe had received from Lionel, but she never would have wasted the time to speak with her in the first place if she had not recognized Chloe's talents and accomplishments. Without the Luthor deal, Chloe still would have had her first DP internship, her Ledger article, dozens of Torch articles, her outstanding academic record, and four years of running her school's paper. The only thing the Luthor deal accomplished was to put her in bad favor with Kahn and make it that much harder to prove her worth.

But.... isn't this thread about Lois?

No, Chloe's first time at the DP was when she EARNED an internship in high school. You should know what actually happens on the show before you start complaining about it. She missed her interview due to being abducted, but she wrote an article on the experience which was then published in The Ledger, and this article is what [b]earned her the internship at the Daily Planet.

Well said.

[tariksam]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
We're not the ones you need to be telling.
That's the thing here people can trash/bash/insult Lois and no one tells them to "please not bashing"

Poeple "bash" Chloe and suddenly everyone is offended.

Not saying that I don't bash Chloe cause I do, but I never have seen the same eager to stop teh bashing when Lois is the target

[samanta]

Originally posted by tariksam
Not saying that I don't bash Chloe cause I do, but I never have seen the same eager to stop teh bashing when Lois is the target I actually do this and I've seen other people do it too.

[celita]

Originally posted by khufu
But.... isn't this thread about Lois?

*Celita goes to read the tittle* "chloe loses again to lois" O_o. This doesn't sound as a Lois thread to me.

[samanta]

^^
It sounds as Chloe's and Lois' thread to me.

[tariksam]

Originally posted by celita
*Celita goes to read the tittle* "chloe loses again to lois" O_o. This doesn't sound as a Lois thread to me.
Well this is the substitute of the "Poor Chloe" obligatory thread

[eas]

Originally posted by WickedJenn
I know this is TV, but I can't help laughing at some things regarding journalism on there.

That was my minor in college, and I wrote for our university's paper.

From what my journalism profs said, when getting hired at a paper, you have to have a body of articles, and I'm thinking decent ones at that. Hell, I had to show at least three before my university paper hired me as a copy editor. And they start you out LOW, you'd have to be a copy editor first and work your way up if you're just breaking into the newspaper business. So Lois getting hired like that and automatically just jumping right in writing big stories is kind of laughable.

And you also would not get assigned major stories right away like that. I never really got a choice for what I wanted to write about until I was a more seasoned reporter/editor.

She had virtually no previous experience (other than that Inquisitor crap) or journalism classes, from what I can recall specifically pertaining to Smallville.

Now they have it more right with Chloe. She did a lot at the Torch, not just the stories, but layout (which can be a big pain). They are still starting her out in the basement even with all her experience, because that's what they do, especially at a big paper like that. You won't get hired by say, the Washington Post as a reporter right off the bat based off of a few tabloid articles!

OK, well... first of all, yes, I agree with you -- I don't think we can look at "SV" and say that we're seeing the way journalism really is. (Although I would state that this is case, equally, for Chloe's arc. It would have much more sense for her to be working for the Met. U. newspaper.)

However, I do think that Lois's articles for "The Inquisitor" should be able to count for something. Because they do give an editor a sense of what kind of writer she is and how she approaches her articles.

I actually know a guy who writes for "The New York Times" very often and he doesn't have a journalism degree. He's a writer, but he didn't get into writing the usual way. (He doesn't have a journalism degree at all.) In fact, I know a lot of people who write for newspapers like "The New York Times", etc. who do not journalism degrees, but - rather - have a great writing style and are considered to be (a) experts in their field or (b) just happen to be very talented.

Yes, it's true that Lois should be taking courses and getting a degree right now. Yes, it's true that she shouldn't be doing major stories. But the sense I get is that she's NOT doing major stories. She keeps trying to and the articles keep tossed back to her. (We've actually seen Chloe get articles published in the beginning of her DP arc. Which is definitely something an intern should not be able to do. Plus, in "Hydro" she refuses to make photo-copies because she says she's a "reporter" and not an assistant. Well, usually, interns are considered worse than assistants and they do what they're told.)

While I do agree that it wouldn't make sense for Lois to be getting front page stories at the DP, I do think that they've shown that she isn't getting those stories. And she's had a pretty steep learning curve.

In any case, I think the show has handles both Chloe and Lois's journalism arcs in a very unrealistic manner & that it's laughable on a lot of levels. I kind of turn of my "realism" side of the brain off when I watch now. Because I've long since realized that AlMiles places no emphasis on education or even the integrity of Lois's canon experience when it comes to journalism. (I was one of those who hated the Barn Door Epiphany in "Sneeze".)


Originally posted by khufu
But.... isn't this thread about Lois?

No, this thread is about Lois and Chloe. Read the title again.

Although I'm not fully understanding how Chloe lost to Lois here. After all, Lois is the one who looks bad in this episode and Chloe looks good, because she's looking out for her cousin's reputation. I actually liked that. A nice hint of the Chlo-Lo back ... I had missed that caring the two have for each other.


Originally posted by tariksam
I think THIS will be the origen of the "I never date someone from work" rule THLois had

It should be, at any rate.

[samanta]

Originally posted by eas
(Although I would state that this is case, equally, for Chloe's arc. It would have much more sense for her to be working for the Met. U. newspaper.)

Chloe is taking only evening classes at Met U so maybe that's why she doesn't work there. But I'm not sure since I don't know U.S. education system very well.

[eas]

Originally posted by khufu
Chloe never betrayed Clark, because she never gave Lionel anything on him. She agreed to at first, when she was mad, but she never went through with it. Big difference.

No, there really isn't that much of a difference. She became highly emotional (because her best friend chose another girl over her) and made a deal with a man who would ruin Clark's life and completely sold Clark out without any thoughts to the consequences or what it would mean for Clark in the long term. She only thought about her own vengeneance and her own pain.

Yes, she understood it was wrong and tried to back out later (with Lex's help, who also had his agenda for helping Chloe, but she has no problems making deals with devils if it serves her own ends) but that doesn't mean she didn't do it to begin with. Contrast this with Pete, who almost died rather than betray Clark's secret. Chloe was much weaker.

Has she since redeemed herself? Yes. She's proven time and again that she's worthy of being Clark's best friend and confidant. (Sometimes to the detriment of her own personal growth.) However, that doesn't mean she didn't make a HUGE mistake and that she didn't betray Clark. She sure did -- even if she wasn't able to go through with it 100%.

[samanta]

Originally posted by eas


Although I'm not fully understanding how Chloe lost to Lois here. After all, Lois is the one who looks bad in this episode and Chloe looks good, because she's looking out for her cousin's reputation. It could be named like that because Lois was lying Chloe at the end of Blue and Chloe believed her. Again not sure.

[eas]

Originally posted by samanta
Chloe is taking only evening classes at Met U so maybe that's why she doesn't work there. But I'm not sure since I don't know U.S. education system very well.

She can still work there. I took evening courses when I was in college (I worked during the day to help my family out and build up my resume) & I participated in extra curricular activities and student groups.

[tariksam]

Yeah cause Chloe has been the most honest person with Lois.

Lois is hiding her personal life, isnt Chloe doing the same with her power??

So Lois is losing to Chloe too......I guess they are even.

[samanta]

Originally posted by tariksam
Yeah cause Chloe has been the most honest person with Lois.

Lois is hiding her personal life, isnt Chloe doing the same with her power??

So Lois is losing to Chloe too......I guess they are even. It wasn't about Lois. I was only trying to understand to the name of this thread :rolleyes: I've much more better things to do than bash fictional character.
Do you always see every comment as Lois' bashing or is it only for today?

[eas]

Originally posted by tariksam
Yeah cause Chloe has been the most honest person with Lois.

Lois is hiding her personal life, isnt Chloe doing the same with her power??

So Lois is losing to Chloe too......I guess they are even.

Well, I'm gonna be honest here -- I don't think either of them owe each other full disclosure regarding their personal lives. In both of their cases, it's up to each of them to decide if they want to go around sharing what's up with them. And that's okay.

Would it be nice if they loved and trusted each other enough that they'd immediately go all BFF & stay up all night telling each other their deepest, darkest, secrets? Sure, it would be nice. And probably realistic, given how close they are to each other & both have proven, time and again, that they wouldn't sell each other out for anything.

But in "SV"??? No way. In this show "Kansas" is really code for "The Kingdom of Secrets and Lies". No one is allowed to tell each other anything about themselves, because then there would be no *drama*. :eek: :eek:

[samanta]

Originally posted by eas
She can still work there. I took evening courses when I was in college (I worked during the day to help my family out and build up my resume) & I participated in extra curricular activities and student groups. Thanks. I was wondering about it.
It's not possible in my country.

[eas]

Originally posted by samanta
It wasn't about Lois. I was only trying to understand to the name of this thread :rolleyes: I've much more better things to do than bash fictional character.
Do you always see every comment as Lois' bashing or is it only for today?

I agree that character bashing is pointless. (Plus, Chloe has done absolutely nothing wrong in this episode, so I don't see what Chloe bashing is needed here.)

However, I can kind of see why the poster is a bit...defensive. There is usually a lot of Lois-bashing going on around here. Personally, I have no problem with people not liking Lois or having issues with how her character has been handled. It's when the sarcasm gets very heavy and a lot of ill-will is hurled around that Lois Lane fans end up becoming defensive.

To be fair, this happens with Lana/Clana fans, as well. And, even though this is sad, Clark fans.

[tariksam]

I am not saying they should go an talk about every teeny tiny thing of their personal life (or god's knows what you women talk about)

I am saying that Chloe loosing to Lois cause Lois is not telling her about something of her personal life is a wrong cause Chloe is not being Ms Openess either.

Lois and her forbidden relationship is not harming anyone (nor Chloe's secret)....she is not even being treated better.

[eas]

Originally posted by tariksam
I am not saying tehy should go an takl about every teeny tiny thing of their personal life (or god's knows what you women talk about)

I am saying that Chloe loosing to Lois cause Lois is not telling her about something of her personal life is a wrong cause Chloe is not being Ms Openess either.

Lois and her forbidden relationship is not harming anyone (nor Chloe's secret)....she is not even being treated better.

Yeah, but can't you see that Lois's relationship is harming herself? And that, because Chloe cares about her, Chloe confronted Lois and told her to put a lid on it? Chloe didn't do that for her own health. Nor was she, in my opinion, angry that Lois hid it from her. Chloe wasn't mad that Lois didn't confide in her. Chloe was mad that Lois was dating Grant & that she wasn't realizing how it would look to other people in the office. She even admits to Lois that she believes that Lois wasn't hired for just her looks (that she believes in Lois's talent, essentially). She has Lois's back when it comes to that -- she just wants what's best for her cousin.

Now, on the flip side, her "meteor freak" powers is, essentially, a genetic mutation. It's like having a disease. If she's hiding it from Lois, it's her own business.

I don't think that the two compare and I don't even think that the "secrets and lies" thing is an issue between the two cousins. More than likely, if (or when) Lois finds out about Chloe, she'll forgive her for hiding it from Lois. Like she forgave Chloe for not telling her that her mom was in an asylum. (Who is, according to SV canon, Lois's biological aunt & if she's insane, it actually affects Lois's medical history.)

[tariksam]

My point is is HOW Lois hiding her relationship with Grant makes Chloe loose against her????

[samanta]

Originally posted by tariksam
My point is is HOW Lois hiding her relationship with Grant makes Chloe loose against her???? It was meant like Chloe is loosing because she believed Lois while Lois was lying to her. Chloe will feel like fool because she didn't bothered to confirm it when she will find out the truth. It was only attempt to understand to name of this thread. That's all.

[eas]

Originally posted by tariksam
My point is is HOW Lois hiding her relationship with Grant makes Chloe loose against her????

Well, that's what we're all saying -- we can't tell why that's the title of the thread.

Samanta was agreeing with you. That the title of the thread (and first post) is very confusing because Lois hiding her relationship from Chloe doesn't make Chloe lose to her.

See, in the end, we're all in agreement here. :)

[WickedJenn]

In addition, Lois and Chloe may grow even closer now after the confrontation between Chloe and Lana.

Edited to add: and especially after Lana attacking Lois.

[eas]

Originally posted by WickedJenn
In addition, Lois and Chloe may grow even closer now after the confrontation between Chloe and Lana.

Yeah, I'm not sure where that is going to lead... I was waiting to see Chlana fall-out from that argument, but the two were never in a scene together.

I do think, however, that Chloe and Lois have always been pretty close... more so than Lana/Chloe. With Lana/Chloe, I felt that I was told about their great friendship more than I saw it. Versus with Chloe/Lois, we saw it more than we heard about it.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, I'm not sure where that is going to lead... I was waiting to see Chlana fall-out from that argument, but the two were never in a scene together.

I do think, however, that Chloe and Lois have always been pretty close... more so than Lana/Chloe. With Lana/Chloe, I felt that I was told about their great friendship more than I saw it. Versus with Chloe/Lois, we saw it more than we heard about it.

I'm curious. I don't think there's been scene with Lana and Chloe together since their confrontation.

I agree with you. I'm remembering the scene, I think it was in "Blank" (season 5 I believe) where Clark loses his memory, and Lois is really there for Chloe, regarding knowing Clark's secret (though Lois doesn't know it's about him). To me it demonstrated Chloe and Lois's closeness. She didn't go to Lana for that one. It always seemed to me that Chloe was more there for Lana then Lana was for her...maybe that had to do with Lana getting hurt all the time, etc. But that's how I perceive it.

[FULLMETALMARTA]

The thing about lois and chloe is that they are able to be honest with their opinions about each other without getting wierd about it.

[eas]

Originally posted by WickedJenn
I'm curious. I don't think there's been scene with Lana and Chloe together since their confrontation.

I agree with you. I'm remembering the scene, I think it was in "Blank" (season 5 I believe) where Clark loses his memory, and Lois is really there for Chloe, regarding knowing Clark's secret (though Lois doesn't know it's about him). To me it demonstrated Chloe and Lois's closeness. She didn't go to Lana for that one. It always seemed to me that Chloe was more there for Lana then Lana was for her...maybe that had to do with Lana getting hurt all the time, etc. But that's how I perceive it.

Yes, I feel that Chloe/Lois have a pretty even/equal relationship. They worry about each other equally and are there for each other when the need arises... but they don't make a big deal about it. It just is... the way a friendship/closeness between two cousins should actually be.

The Chlo-Lo relationship has consistently been one of my favorite relationships on this show & I'm glad to see it making a comeback. :)


Originally posted by FULLMETALMARTA
The thing about lois and chloe is that they are able to be honest with their opinions about each other without getting wierd about it.

Yeah. And I think (imo) that a lot of it has to do with Lois's inability to make anything into a melodramatic thing. She kind of takes everything in stride and just goes with the flow. She also doesn't take things personal.

With Chloe/Lana, I felt like they're constantly having these melodramatic showdowns and they're so sad & 'betrayed' around each other. (Particularly when Chloe was shoved in the middle of the "secrets and lies" mess.)

None of that with Lois. If, tomorrow, Lana found out that Chloe was a meteor freak (sorry, meteor challenged ;) ) I think she would be hurt and feel betrayed. If, tomorrow, Lois found out, I think she'd say, "I understand. I'll be here if you need me."

Personally, I feel like it's also the difference between how the two are in how they approach their relationships with Clark & why Lois is better for him in the long term.

[WickedJenn]

You are right, and that's a good quality in Lois, she just goes with the flow as you said. She also has no problem speaking her mind when she feels it's necessary. She has a take-no-prisoners attitude, which I like Chloe appreciates in her.

[eas]

Originally posted by WickedJenn
You are right, and that's a good quality in Lois, she just goes with the flow as you said. She also has no problem speaking her mind when she feels it's necessary. She has a take-no-prisoners attitude, which I like Chloe appreciates in her.

Yeah, I think a lot of the characters appreciate that in her. She is an outlier in that sense. She kind of doesn't have this "editing process" in her head and it causes her to kind of just cut through the BS, you know? This does back-fire on her sometimes :lol: (just check out the hate on this site alone) but, personally, I find it quite refreshing to see a character like that on this show. This show needs someone like that, since there is so much secrecy and drama always going on.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, I think a lot of the characters appreciate that in her. She is an outlier in that sense. She kind of doesn't have this "editing process" in her head and it causes her to kind of just cut through the BS, you know? This does back-fire on her sometimes :lol: (just check out the hate on this site alone) but, personally, I find it quite refreshing to see a character like that on this show. This show needs someone like that, since there is so much secrecy and drama always going on.

You sure are right about that last part. I see a lot of myself in Lois, though I can't quite kung-fu like her (or whatever you call it specifically) :lol: I like when I can relate to characters like that.

[eas]

^ Man, I wish I could kung-fu like her -- or even just have her killer bod. Those abs... man.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by eas
^ Man, I wish I could kung-fu like her -- or even just have her killer bod. Those abs... man.

Me too. Mine are alright from dancing but not like that!

I want to see more of that too, Lois breaking out the kung-fu.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Guys they stopped the whole affair thing in this very episode so why not just drop it!:rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

[theotherJane]

^
Um, what? No, they didn't.

[WickedJenn]

They only pretended to RJL, if you saw Grant's text message to Lois, it's clear they're still seeing each other, but are just keeping it on the DL.

[kryptonaidxh]

:D well, in first place: Lois isn´t sleeping woth Grant yet., also the truth is that the daily Planet belongs to Lois, eventually she will become a much better reporter than Chloe, that´s why Lois Lane always has been the star reporter of the DP.
:D
I don´t agree she dates Grant either,but well.. that´s an awful idea from the producers, like they srew Lana´s character they want to mess Lois too.:p :D