What is wrong with Clark? A rant.

[CountryGirl84]

So Kryptonians are supposed to be super intelligent beings and such and Clark... just really isn't... Seriously what would explain the poor interpersonal skills and why he sucks at relationships? SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE BOY! As pointed out by Jor-el of the fortress, he's disobeyed him time and time again only to have the same results, something really bad happens when he doesn't listen and then he gets the *dun dun dun* CONSEQUENCES from Jor-el handed to him on top of that. Loss of powers, dead father, blah blah blah. When is he going to learn?!

And lets not even get started on how a clone of his mother who was only born 15 minutes earlier could see right into Lana's soul when the man who is supposed to love her can't see past her eyelashes...

[christina]

you mad?

[Alexander III]

Clark's truly autistic !! Look at all the things that Jor-El have warned about, yet he doesn't listen. I think he got a whole lot dumber ever since Martha left! Just kidding, there's no correlation to that. On the other hand, Kara blindnessly trusted her father but that's an exception coz Kara grew up w/ her dad. She wanted to give her dad a 2nd try so then...

Also look at kara's reaction when she found out Clark released his mama from the crystal. Kara's prolly like: U're the dumbest sh!t ever u dumb autistic little man!

Damn u Clark, why are you so SLOW?

[Randy G.]

[Mod Note:] Let's tone it down with the autism & retardation comments.
As you can see, I've edited the thread title already.

[Alexander III]

My bad dude!

[Randy G.]

That's okay. I know it wasn't meant in an offensive manner, but we still have to enforce the rules.

BTW - I agree, even though he's physically maturing, Clark doesn't really seem to be taking many steps forward in the mental, or emotional areas. I think he still needs Martha around for good advice.
Plus, I'd be looking over my shoulder on a daily basis if I was stupid enough to piss Jor-El off. :lol:

[TOMophilus]

I agree that the writing is abysmally bad, and that the writers/producers do everything to mock and damage the character of Clark Kent. Shame on them! But can you really hold it against Clark that he wants to meet his real mom, just for once?

[BadToad]

I think AI Jor-El comes across as a cold, sadistic b*st*rd. I really have no problems with Clark not blindly following him. Yes, Clark may have acted emotionally in this episode, but I can't really blame him for wanting the chance to meet his mother, and reacting when her voice is calling out to him for help. That might be one of Clark's weaknesses, that he can't ignore a call for help like that, but its a flaw I hope he never completely loses.

And the ending of this episode just seems, IMO, like its going to give Clark MORE of a reason to hate Jor-El, and rebel against him and his lessons and consequences. That last scene is like something out of an after school special, where the abusive father is approaching his son about to do something horrible to him.

AlMiles seem to have serious father issues :eek:

Clark is going to make mistakes. As Clark Kent, in the future as Superman. He's never going to be mistake-free. And he's always going to think with his heart. Thats just who the character is. And going by SV, and its Bizarro version of Jor-El, he sure isn't going to be learning compassion and heroism from dead daddy.

And Clark would already be up their training if Jor-El hadn't turned him around and sent him back to babysit Kara.

[paolinki25]

I've watched some clips of the episode, and I gotta say Clark is a very slow learner. I know that Jor-El's approach isn't exactly right, but I don't know what would I do as a parent with a kid so stubborn as Clark.

[Charissa70]

I will try to watch the language-but, yes he is from a planet that has mastered space travel for centuries. He was brought up on earth but he has it in his genes. Like the old joke-Cal El was holding the door when brains were being given out. Clark at the very least should have been one of the smarter ones in high school, skipping a few grades, etc. People ragged when Kara was able to hack into the government website and told Jimmy she covered the trail so it would not get back to him. But she should have the capabilities. Clark needs Chloe-(I know it is a plot thing, but she could be used as a sidekick in another way.) Kyrton, if it was filled with Clark types would have never mastered space travel-blowing up the planet, yes, space travel no.

[xaosthry]

His brains and hormones are playing a seriously involved tournament of ping pong.

[Twitch]

Originally posted by xaosthry
His brains and hormones are playing a seriously involved tournament of ping pong.
Heh that reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry's brain and umm "Jerry Jr." are playing a game of chess. Same for Clark, except they're playing a heated game of ping pong! :lol:

[kp1984]

Just because he's from Krypton dose'nt make him smart. I'm sure there where dumb a$$es on krytpon just like there's dumb a$$es on earth.

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by kp1984
Just because he's from Krypton dose'nt make him smart. I'm sure there where dumb a$$es on krytpon just like there's dumb a$$es on earth.

Yeah, but his isn't some random Kryptonian dude. This is supposed to become Superman in the future. I'm not comic literate, but is Superman this slow or dumb in the comics?

[gunste1n]

Yet again Clark managed to piss me off....... I can't believe how stupid he can be. His own father tells him over and over and over again not to do it.... yet he does it.......

I hope for gods sake that Jor El gives him a punishment he has never ever ever felt before....... why don't we start with giving Clark his powers back and release all the phantoms then Jor El disables the FOS and teleports Lana Chloe Jimmy Martha lionel and LAAAANEE to the phantomzone..... that should make him learn or ? *naah I dont think so the first thing Clark would do is telling the Phantoms where to find FOS.

[Chlarkislove]

Clark pissed me off when he called Lara his real mother. Yes, dhe gave birth to him, but his real mother is in Washington DC. I mean she was only the woman who found him, shelters him, raised him, protects him, sacrificed for him, and loves him as her own. Lara just gave birth and put him in a ship


Originally posted by Alexander III
Clark's truly autistic !! Look at all the things that Jor-El have warned about, yet he doesn't listen. I think he got a whole lot dumber ever since Martha left! Just kidding, there's no correlation to that. On the other hand, Kara blindnessly trusted her father but that's an exception coz Kara grew up w/ her dad. She wanted to give her dad a 2nd try so then...

Also look at kara's reaction when she found out Clark released his mama from the crystal. Kara's prolly like: U're the dumbest sh!t ever u dumb autistic little man!

Damn u Clark, why are you so SLOW?


Most autistic people are brilliant so please don't lump Clark in with them. Plus that's just wrong because I know some autistic children.

[HalJordan4184]

Randy already took care of that post, and warned the poster, so let's let it go at that.

As for Clark, it was another fifteen steps back for the half a step he almost took forward that one time back in season two. I wish they'd do something right on this show for once. :(

[Mello Penelo]

Same here HalJordan4184. The show always had so much potential. But it blew it in favor for BDA and Clana.

[kal-el_Girl]

Originally posted by Alexander III
Clark's truly autistic !! Look at all the things that Jor-El have warned about, yet he doesn't listen. I think he got a whole lot dumber ever since Martha left! Just kidding, there's no correlation to that. On the other hand, Kara blindnessly trusted her father but that's an exception coz Kara grew up w/ her dad. She wanted to give her dad a 2nd try so then...

Also look at kara's reaction when she found out Clark released his mama from the crystal. Kara's prolly like: U're the dumbest sh!t ever u dumb autistic little man!

Damn u Clark, why are you so SLOW?
i agree with your comment exept the "austistic" part,
you're offending people that are affected by this is a serious disease and remember this is only a show! (yeah believe it or not) I, sometimes take it to heart but don't offend anyone okis?
anywho....

[RPMSDB]

Clark just needs to go see theWizard of Oz instead of visitng the FOS so that he can finally get a brain.

That, and he needs to get Dr. Knox back so that he can have ball replacement surgery.

[boatsboston]

What's so frustrating to me is the constant secret keeping. Why would Clark use the crystal without talking to Kara first? She's from Krypton, she knows the extent of Kryptonian technology, she could have figured out what her father's crystal contained. But Clark was selfish and dumb and caused another mess that could have wiped out humanity.

Why is Clark such a big baby too? I miss my mommy....whaaaa. Is there a point where doing too much good is bad? He's so determined to protect the people that he loves that he doesn't see any of the consequenses that may follow. That's called ignorant. He's a BIA. I hope his punishment is an ass whopping by Jor-El.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I do love Clark's face when everyone just flies away from him.
Priceless.

[HalJordan4184]

MOD NOTE

Guys and girls, Randy, a moderator, already addressed the autistic comment. Leave it alone. Moderating is to be done by the moderators, and a moderator already intervened. Stop posting about it. The easiest way for that to die out, is to quit making posts about it.

[tariksam]

A lab rat apparently learns faster than Clark....she goes touch the elctric sutff feels the shock...and DOESN'T touch it again....Clark is like:

touch D'uh okey maybe this time won't happen again, touch D'uh...mmm and again....and repeat that until brain damage is detected

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by CountryGirl84
And lets not even get started on how a clone of his mother who was only born 15 minutes earlier could see right into Lana's soul when the man who is supposed to love her can't see past her eyelashes...

Well, for this, I guess Lara not interested in getting into Lana's pants may be a factor. :)

But seriously, the guy has to be the most naive when it comes to Lana. Anyone else who is in love with someone would be able to pick up on the bad stuff done by the object of their affection a long time ago.

Clark's scene with Lana didn't bother me much. I think with her in this episode, he showed his patience and morals like Superman would. My biggest problems with him in this episode are disobeying Jor-El again when he knew the source of that blue crystal and what Zor-El was all about and how he didn't even bother looking for Kara after she disappeared. He should be looking all over for her until he finds her since that would be the right thing to do. It's his fault she's gone now.

[83kaL]

He hasn't done his training? Maybe? You should go on Wikipedia or something and learn about Superman before judging

[SteveS]

This is really too easy.

For thousands of years, parents have given instructions to their children of what to do and not do. The parents that gave that guidance did it because they cared for the children not because they didn't care and the guidance (hopefully) was wisdom and wisdom (sadly) is learned the hard way, by trial and error.

Virtually always, in all those thousands of generations, the younger generations ignored the guidance of their elders since the latter were too old, things had changed, yaddy yadda. Then, when the younger generation gets hurt, makes the same mistakes repeatedly as those that have gone before, after any number of tears, they get a glimmer that those that came before weren't so dumb and had gained some wisdom over their lifetime that the children hadn't, at least until they suffered for not listening. This is the same pattern that Clarkman is following. If he did anything otherwise, the show would be boring and he would have just been given 'wisdom', which is not the same thing as intelligence, without having earned it the hard way of reality.

[freefall]

I actually have really enjoyed Clark in this episode. Sure he's being an idiot by not taking heed of Jor-El's cautions once again (Jor-El's a bastard, but he's always right on the money when it comes to his warnings) but it's a huge step for him to finally realize that he actually WANTS his abilities. And you could see just how fiercely protective he is over Kara, and he's utterly devastated over her disappearance.

[Alicia Chipy]

Clark needs to enroll in Sky High for some Superhero traning.
He is still repeating the same mistakes and poor judgement he displayed as a fourteen year old just discovering his powers.
He may be book smart,but lacks common sense.

[freefall]

Originally posted by Chlarkislove
Clark pissed me off when he called Lara his real mother. Yes, dhe gave birth to him, but his real mother is in Washington DC. I mean she was only the woman who found him, shelters him, raised him, protects him, sacrificed for him, and loves him as her own. Lara just gave birth and put him in a ship

I strongly disagree with this. Lara had made the ultimate sacrifice for her only child, by sending him off to another world where she hoped he would be spared from the grief and destruction on their home planet.

What do you expect her to do? Just let him explode along with them and Krypton itself? She could have chosen to have her last moments with her baby in her arms, and yet she didn't.

That's an act of sheer, unconditional love. Even Martha had acknowledged that, even she couldn't imagine the pain that Lara had gone through by sending off her son.

There's no reason why Clark couldn't love both of his mothers, and have their own special place in his life instead of making it as a Lara vs. Martha thing.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by 83kaL
He hasn't done his training? Maybe? You should go on Wikipedia or something and learn about Superman before judging

I've known plenty of 20 year-olds who were able to make good decisions without going to an ice fortress in the Antarctic to be trained by the AI remnant of their long-dead father.

That "he hasn't trained yet" excuse just doesn't work for all of Clark's bad decisions and his seeming inability to learn from his past mistakes.

[Spaniard]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

That "he hasn't trained yet" excuse just doesn't work for all of Clark's bad decisions and his seeming inability to learn from his past mistakes.

Yeah I'm absolutely tired of that excuse and the "he's not superman yet" one.

Intelligence doesn't magically appears reading some books, and his morals doesn't suddenly change by putting on a costume.

[M0RGAN]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I've watched some clips of the episode, and I gotta say Clark is a very slow learner. I know that Jor-El's approach isn't exactly right, but I don't know what would I do as a parent with a kid so stubborn as Clark. It seems that Clark's IQ drops every season. I know that he is just really starting out his adult life with out his parents around to help guide him through the rough spots, but this is getting ridiculous.

[SteveS]

Originally posted by seacrystal
I strongly disagree with this. Lara had made the ultimate sacrifice for her only child, by sending him off to another world where she hoped he would be spared from the grief and destruction on their home planet.

What do you expect her to do? Just let him explode along with them and Krypton itself? She could have chosen to have her last moments with her baby in her arms, and yet she didn't.

That's an act of sheer, unconditional love. Even Martha had acknowledged that, even she couldn't imagine the pain that Lara had gone through by sending off her son.

There's no reason why Clark couldn't love both of his mothers, and have their own special place in his life instead of making it as a Lara vs. Martha thing.

Gad, I am in agreement with Seacrystal, will wonders never cease?

[TheSupaMan]

He's too stubborn basically.

[Mischael12]

Doesn't matter how cruel and sadistic the AI is...If this was the first time sure...but really its what number 3 or 4 now? AI jor-el hasn't really been wrong so far, and the consequences have always sucked.

And really you know your mom sent you away...you know that Zor-el can make duplicates...why would you release it?

There was no logic behind it.

[Titan27]

I agree; Clark just can't seem to learn anyting. Clark apparently doesn't become super intelligent until after his training with his father. Jor-El's true mission is to help Clark fullfill his destiny and become the "protector" of Earth; then his son will pick up the "torch" and protect others. Jor-El's mission isn't to look after his son so his son can become an "organic farmer" or a father which in the comics was impossible except for with one female named Maxima. Until Clark becomes Superman - Jor-El's #1 priority is to make Clark become a man/hero. I truly don't blame Jor-El for wanting to punish Clark. Clark always thinks badly about Jor-El despite what everyone else who has met his father tells him AND Clark still never takes his father's advice after all these years. Season 2 = Martha's miscarriage due to Clark's actions, Season 4 = Clark doesn't retrieve the crystals until the second meteor storm arrives, arriving only to blame Jor-El for it.Season 5 = Clark doesn't return to the FOS at dusk after rescuing Chloe therefore becomes mortal and dies not too soon after forcing Jor-El to use Jonathan's life force to bring Clark back to life, also in Season 5; Clark doesn't kill Lex after he acquires Kryptonian powers, and instead releases Zod by destroying Fine with the dagger, which results Zod being restored to "physical state" and Zob being released upon Earth but not before Clark being exiled to the PZ and the FOS losing it's power and Jor-El's ability to look after his son. Season 6 = Clark avoids coming to the fortress to try to help his father come back after the fortress is almost destroyed. Then also Clark "allows" the last wraith to use Clark's DNA to become stronger than Clark is: what Jor-El told MM was his fear according to the MM.
- Clark never listens to Jor-El even when Jor-El gives Clark advice on what to do trying to spare Clark before he makes mistakes. Showing Jor-El that Clark believes he is smarter than his father; then after Clark realizes he SHOULD have listened to Jor-El. Clark comes crawling back to Jor-El begging him to fix his mess.

That's what upset me about the Season 5 storyline involving Jonathan's death; after Lana died; Jor-El told Clark that it is natural for humans to eventually die, but Clark couldn't bear to lose Lana. I only believe Jor-El allowed Clark to go back to fix it, because Jor-El either rememberd Louise from Season 3 "Relic" or Jor-El believed that if Lana did in fact die, the damage to his son would be irreparable. Then after the second time through after Jonathan dies, Clark brings his adoptive father's body to the FOS demanding the same thing showing that Clark probably would have gone through the same process hundreds of times until someone died he would be willing to sacrifice.

Then after this episode Clark comes to Jor-El with nothing but praise for Jor-El trying to get his father's help to fix another mistake that Clark caused. Then Jor-El states quite plainly something all of us fans who have been watching the show from the beginning know already: Kal El you don't seem to learn any lessons from your past mistakes. Something we all know: Clark never seems to learn anything!! Not even after Jonathan's death he still hasn't learned. Jor-El has every right not to help his son find Kara. For once Clark should have to fix his own mistake and find Kara himself.

BTW - I don't really blame Clark on most of these mistakes he has made especially some of the things Jor-El has done to him in the past; however I for some reason tend to really like Jor-El almost as much as Superman. After this episode I just really sympathized with Jor-El for not helping Clark out of this situation. Let Clark learn that his actions have consequences not only on himself but on others and his father: Jor-El can't just click the RESTART button every time; so Clark can get it right the second time. Teaching Clark that he is going to have to make the right decision the first time. Jor-El is trying to teach his son the lessons of the hero that you may make mistakes however you have to face the consequences of those mistakes thereby growing from them so as not to make that same mistake. AND the people you love will eventually die which Clark still doesn't grasp. Even in Season 1 "Hourglass" the vision showed Clark alone in a graveyard. Clark has known since the first Season that he will always be alone in some respect except for his biological father & mother. His actions show that he couldn't give a damn about his biological father.

REMEMBER- This would be how a human father would interpret these actions by a son; and Clark prides himself on his human emotions so he should have to suffer the consequences of his actions if he were human. Which I think Jor-El is doing to him. I believe that Jor-El simply stated to Clark, I won't help you find Kara" - learn from your mistakes and then the white light just teleported Clark back to Smallville.

[Javierocker]

Well Said

I just hope that this time Clark has the consequence himself. The problem is 4 me is that someone else pays the price (Martha, Lana and Jonathan) and Clark doesn't seem 2 learn from that. Or if he does its a 5 sec. lesson before he forgets it and he just gets angry at Jor-El. Hopefully this time he has 2 face the consequence himself like all humans usually do. He made the mistake, he should pay 4 it, not someone else, maybe that will finally teach him something.

[lee_the_flee]

Seriously.... I haven't seen any incarnation like Smallville that made Clark seem so dumb.

It's like he has a retrograde learning deficiency.

[Sweetie]

It's so sad,it could have been such a good episode,for once it focused on Clark but,the boy sucked.He was dump,selfish and stubborn.How many times,Clark will not listen to his father's warnings?When will he understand that the man is not his ennemi that he is looking out for him.

[Praxis]

Originally posted by Alexander III
Clark's truly autistic !! Look at all the things that Jor-El have warned about, yet he doesn't listen. I think he got a whole lot dumber ever since Martha left! Just kidding, there's no correlation to that. On the other hand, Kara blindnessly trusted her father but that's an exception coz Kara grew up w/ her dad. She wanted to give her dad a 2nd try so then...

Also look at kara's reaction when she found out Clark released his mama from the crystal. Kara's prolly like: U're the dumbest sh!t ever u dumb autistic little man!

Damn u Clark, why are you so SLOW?

I'm autistic (Asperger's) and I'm light-years ahead of Clark; while we have trouble with the social aspects, we learn from mistakes in life (ignoring socially) and usually are very good about following instructions.

Clark's just plain stupid :D

[Radioflyer]

Originally posted by CountryGirl84
So Kryptonians are supposed to be super intelligent beings and such and Clark... just really isn't... Seriously what would explain the poor interpersonal skills and why he sucks at relationships? SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE BOY! As pointed out by Jor-el of the fortress, he's disobeyed him time and time again only to have the same results, something really bad happens when he doesn't listen and then he gets the *dun dun dun* CONSEQUENCES from Jor-el handed to him on top of that. Loss of powers, dead father, blah blah blah. When is he going to learn?!

And lets not even get started on how a clone of his mother who was only born 15 minutes earlier could see right into Lana's soul when the man who is supposed to love her can't see past her eyelashes... Evidently in Smallville's interpretation, Kryptonians are a lot like humans but only think they are superior to humans because they've gathered greater knowlege of the universe and under our sun they are more powerful.

[Praxis]

Originally posted by Radioflyer
Evidently in Smallville's interpretation, Kryptonians are a lot like humans but only think they are superior to humans because they've gathered greater knowlege of the universe and under our sun they are more powerful.

Well, it has also already been established that Clark has a super-memory; remember that episode with the invisible kid that used that green flower? Can't remember the name, obviously I don't have super memory ;)

[kryptonaidxh]

:rolleyes: that´s what I first asked myself: when is the stupid Clark going to learn, always he has disobeyed Jor-el´s warnings he always scrubes it all.:rolleyes: :p , even about his little evil b**ch, Jor-el has told him already she´s not his destiny and the Clark goes to scrub it all again.:rolleyes:

[Mello Penelo]

Jor-El just needs to throw Clark 10 years into the future and show him where he has to be, even if he has to reprogram him as Kal-El again.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Jor-El just needs to throw Clark 10 years into the future and show him where he has to be, even if he has to reprogram him as Kal-El again.

Or Clark wakes up and it was only a dream.

[Simba_Muffy]

He was on that kryptonite.