Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of Blue?

[xrayvision]

This thread is for the discussion of this episode and your thoughts about it.

[superhippie2000]

i hope its good. its sounds good. ahhhhhhh the numbers are backwords that always confuses me lol.

[Dodge006]

OMFG!! Awesome ep and even better ending!!

I've voted 10 before and compared to this, those were 7s.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Wow my mouth just dropped I didn't expect that. wow wow and wow.

[mctor]

Loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bball44j]

Best episode of the season, no doubt!!!! frickin AWESOME!!!!!

[AngelaV]

Wow! Can they do episodes like this EVERY TIME!??? :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Wasn't this in the American forum earlier? Will it move back once it airs in America?

[Twitch]

I believe all the threads from the Canadian sub forum are going to be moved to the regular "Blue" forum once it airs in the States, or most of them anyways.

[LionelLuthor]

I take it the episode was good then?
Better than Wrath? (Fingers crossed)

[DreadShamus]

Awwwwwwwwwww YEAH! MAMA LARA! She was all ready to get it on when she thought it was her hubby! Maybe after when she said "You're a MAN!"


Brainiac spy!

[jimmyolsenblues]

this was not a great episode.

[KaraIsQueen]

First time, long time!

This episode clicked on all cylinders. It truly felt like a Superman epic, and the cliffhanging ending has definitely left me eagerly anticipating December 13th!

[monel49]

Very good episode. Rate it a nine. Nice to know that Krypton had dysfunctional families too. Seriously though, strong efforts on the part of all actors carried this story. Whenever John Glover is on the show gets much stronger--even his small part added greatly to the drama. And of course the ending--great twist--the Luthors just keep surprising. Let's hope the writer's strike ends soon--this season is on a roll. I'd hate to stop with episode fifteen.

[Darth Pipes]

Damn good episode with an awesome ending. Definitely nice when you don't read the spoilers. Makes things that much better.

Zor-El was cool. Had that whole Zod vibe about him.

[ofie]

um...there are no words....wow

[Mello Penelo]

I gave the episode a 2/10. It made me livid. I'm so infuriated I can't even filter what I want to say into a cohesive structure without fifty million curse words interspersed.

And what the FACK with Grant being Julian? MB almost blew his brains out in Memoria for Lillian killing Julian. What a horrible piece of plot inconsistency. It makes me want to fly to Vancouver and murder Al/Miles.

[dimeo782002]

omg ! grant is julian i got chills down the back of my neck ! lex is supposed to kill lionel oops sorry ! just a feeling because this is the supposed reason lionel held back his love for lex was because lionel thought lex killed julian ! but now that lex knows the truth wow this is sooooo juicy !
i never in a million years expected this ! please god let this season be a whole one !
i can't wait for what happens next and ofcourse lana got hurt again but i was totally numb it did not bother me because everything else was so great ! wow julian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zacho]

This was my faviorite episode of the season. It had so many twist and turns. Expecially the Lex/Gabriel story line.

[DreadShamus]

Yeahhh........ I was thinking 9.... but theres no way to not give this a 10. Episode 2, plus 5, plus this one... greatest storyline EVER!

[ClarksGal]

This season just keeps getting better and better! I hope they can keep it up!!!!

[shadow4486]

Are all of you on crack? This episode was terrible. Not the worst but pretty darn close.

Hardly any clark...lana has the devil inside...gabriel and lois (boring) and Gabriel is a Luthor. Oh, wait not just any luthor but THE "dead as a baby, Lex has been traumatized and institutionalized because of" JULIAN LUTHOR.

What are you kidding me? I've been watching from day one (as most of you) and this is the worst plot twist of any show ever. And I mean that 100% Why don't we just bring back Jonathan and Pete and, hell, while we're at it...Lana's dead parents.

I over looked Chloe's mom having blonde hair and then she's Linda Carter. I've overlooked alot but Julian Luthor is a hard pill to swallow.

That being said, I do want to see what happens to clark and kara. That, at least, was interesting.

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I gave the episode a 2/10. It made me livid. I'm so infuriated I can't even filter what I want to say into a cohesive structure without fifty million curse words interspersed.

And what the FACK with Grant being Julian? MB almost blew his brains out in Memoria for Lillian killing Julian. What a horrible piece of plot inconsistency. It makes me want to fly to Vancouver and murder Al/Miles.
from where your coming from i agree but let's not forget that the season is not over they have to explain this or it will make no sense ! if they don't justify it you have my full support in kicking thier ass !
if they do this right it could be really cool but if they are doing it with no explaionation and not tying the other episodes together then yuck ! but i think they are tying all loose ends thats if we get a full season !!!!!!

[DreadShamus]

You rate it base on not enough clark? you still wish Pete was on it. hush

[Ginx]

9/10 - pretty good episode. I like the inclusion of Zor-El I hated that he went away in one episode though - I'm hoping that he's not really gone and that his spirit is still around somewhere.

Interesting twist about Grant and Lex. Want to see where they go with it and how they will fill in the large gaps and questions. Be interesting to see where they go with Kara and her Peter Syndrome.

Felt a little like Star Wars and Heroes mixed in with SV this week lol....

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I gave the episode a 2/10. It made me livid. I'm so infuriated I can't even filter what I want to say into a cohesive structure without fifty million curse words interspersed.

And what the FACK with Grant being Julian? MB almost blew his brains out in Memoria for Lillian killing Julian. What a horrible piece of plot inconsistency. It makes me want to fly to Vancouver and murder Al/Miles.

I don't believe Grant is Julian and I believe alot of other posters would agree. Lex has somehow convinced Grant that he's Lionel's son. To what end? Don't know we have to stay tuned.

As for Lionel attempting suicide because of Lillian...I don't believe that to be the case either. I thought it was because of his terminal illness. He didn't want to waste away so he saw suicide as a way out. This didn't change the continuity

[Krypton935]

Holy krypton and great shades of elvis! that was amazing!! i LOVED THAT EP! definitly best in season one of the top in the series I loved it!!!!!!!! 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10

[redeem147]

I liked it. I didn't love it.

But the Julian reveal was pretty darn cool. I love being unspoiled.

[SVfan4ever]

10/10 I absolutely loved this epi! Please, please, please give us a full season.

[spideyfan]

Damn good episode. Great action through out. All was well until Julian Luther was revealed to be alive. Also CK not listening AGAIN sucks...Kara or Lana need to die because of him defying Jor-El again. He needs to learn his lesson!!!

[kavalier]

Sooo sad that Smallville's best season may be its shortest. Awesome episode, again. I'll admit, Im REALLY thrown back by the Grant Gabriel revelation, but Im not going to react negatively to that for now, and I dont think anyone else should either, because we simply dont know all the facts. Have patience. But wow. This episode was truly epic, almost "finale" style epic at times, especially with the whole eclipse thing. Great stuff.

[Saber]

I might be in the minority on this but its how I saw it.
I am going to give this episode a 5 because it was a stretch on all fronts. From the lack of detail (the age timeline between Lex & Julian) to plot continuity, the scenarios were just too much of a leap for me to swallow. Jor-El was a pacifist (very hard to phantom that one) and yet he came into season three like gang-busters. Dead people‘s replicas (Zor-El) wanting & able to repopulate the earth (stretch). Replicas having powers with no yellow sun to power them up, including having the same exact emotions as their originals.
I was disappointed in this episode, there was so much potential to have flash-backs to Krypton and seeing Jor-El & Lara making a statement on their planet. They could’ve shown what lead up to Kal-El being placed in the ship.
So much potential to really make a mark on this series and it was nothing more than shock value twists that just didn't make sense.

[superman79]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I gave the episode a 2/10. It made me livid. I'm so infuriated I can't even filter what I want to say into a cohesive structure without fifty million curse words interspersed.

And what the FACK with Grant being Julian? MB almost blew his brains out in Memoria for Lillian killing Julian. What a horrible piece of plot inconsistency. It makes me want to fly to Vancouver and murder Al/Miles.


I agree and I thought it was way better than last week, at this rate it the strike won't matter because Smallville will suck itself into oblivion. The writer's have proven their inability to come up with creative story lines.

[lillie_poo_pod]

This episode.....man o man this episode.

I gave it a 4 and I thought that was being pretty generous.

Also,

WORST. TWIST. EVER!!! They totally screwed up the Julian storyline.

[xHerox]

I feel like I've been saying this a lot this season, but this episode definitely had it all. There was some great effects work, an amazing storyline, and cliffhangers to boot. In addition, there were some great lines of dialogue thrown in as well and I genuinely believe there was something in this episode to please everyone. For that reason, this episode definitely deserves a '10'!

[supermommy]

I thought it was great. I love all the plot twists and surprises and questions. Yikes I can't wait until the next expisode.

[LovelyLora]

In all honesty I didn't really care for this episode. I was kinda bored. I was glad that Clark got to meet his mom though.
Although the lack of Lana made it better although it was really annoying at the end when Clark is upset about letting the people he loves get hurt and he is talking to Lana and then BOOM the conversation is turned around and is talking about her!

The best thing was the last 5 minutes of the show. I really was thrown with the whole Julian thing. I think it was a pretty good twist. I am curious to see where they go with it. I am also curious to see what Clark's punishment is for not listening to Jor-El.

Overall I gave it a 7....mainly for the last 5 minutes.

[svtwamedfan05]

Let's see where to start. Hm first off loved the El story. It was nice to see Clark meeting his mom for the first time. I was so happy to see Kara back. I've missed her much. The moment Clark put on the blue ring was awesome. His eyes turned this beautiful blue, man I'm telling you I could have stared at those eyes forever. However once again Clark defied Jor-El and once again he put Kara's life in danger. Love Jor-El for letting Clark have it after everything was back to normal. It really sucks that Kara's now in Michigan with no memory, aw poor Kara. On to the second story, I knew that Grant was working with Lex but I had no idea he was his brother. OMG Smallville is now pulling a Heroes move by leaving us hanging. How the hell is Grant Gabriel, Julian Luthor. I will like to see how Smallville pulls this one off. Man if Lois really did fall for Grant, I will feel so sorry for her when she gets hurt. Chloe showed her tough love and I agreed with her. Never did like this whole Lois sleeping with the editor thing. Overall I loved this episode. A twist I didn't see coming in this lifetime and another Jor-El warning topped this episode off as a very interesting and good episode.

[Joekur]

Solid 8
I had Grant written off as the "guy who's gotta die to make Lois feel bad" or somesuch... Just a "red shirt" (Think Star Trek) - then BAM! Our Jaws just Dropped... that was GOOD! The build up to it, everything! I thought Lex just bought himself a newspaper editor and it would be a typical "manipulation to an ends" kind of thing.. but BAM! they're brothers.. WHOLE new plotline in one sentence... WOW...

I was in Love with Kara - but now I want to have her baby! (well, you know) anyway, WOW! They're putting some depth there too!

Always will love Helen Slater - but she was a little... I dunno... Spacey? kinda just floatin' around, disconnected... maybe 'cuz it wasn't really her - I dunno - but, She's Still Hot after all these years.. so she's cool!

Chloe just Rocked - but she can't help it... she just, well, rocks!

And as for the MB, yea, his contribution to the show tonight was to get his a$$ kicked - but, dang, even getting his butt kicked, he's magnificent! lol!

Clark, well, he was kind of a BDIT (Big Dumb Intergalactic Traveler), but there were some great parts with him - his determination to save his family. His pain at not knowing where Kara is...

Lana, well, I'm getting back to - less of her the better... EGAD - I hope the "there must be a consequence" bit from Jor-El at the end doesn't mean he's gonna just off her... YAWN! (LOVE KK, but the character - unless they're building it up for something - I dont get her point - but, methinks she's gonna die this year...)

I'll probably think of something later...

[SteveS]

I think it was an excellent episode and I am so happy to see that lois has found her soulmate with Grantlian. Hes been studying her bra size... good one, Lex.

Wait, I just realized that Zor-El was going to recreate Kryptonians are zapping humans with the eclipse, that means Zor-El with Lara and clearly ClarkMan and Kara become far more than kissing cousins. I knew Kryptonians were bound by Earth's religious values.

[KalEl016]

??? GRANT GABRIEL IS JULIAN?!? That's soo random n unexpected. They stopped talking about Julian for a while n everything. I thought the whole main plot line for the episode was definitely great n left alot of questions... How did that happen to Kara?!? again, Gabriel's Julian?!?

[L&L]

I gave this episode a 5. Mostly because of the lack of Lex. The Grant/Julian twist surprised me but I just wish they would have picked a sexier actor to play Lex's brother.

Lex = Sex on Legs
Julian = Legs

Here's hoping for a recast!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Loved it, great episode, again.

The small, yet very vocal group needs to go see their doctor about that stick...

[seraphim]

Never have I rated an episode this low before and I hope I don't have to again. I gave it a "4"....it was just awful to me. This season is just not going the way I hoped. I haven't been commenting on any episodes lately because everything's just been either okay or ho-hum and this latest ep just did me in. Please writers give us something better than this!!

[LoveHurts38]

I did like it but, did not watch the whole thing had to do other things.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I gave the episode a 2/10. It made me livid. I'm so infuriated I can't even filter what I want to say into a cohesive structure without fifty million curse words interspersed.

And what the FACK with Grant being Julian? MB almost blew his brains out in Memoria for Lillian killing Julian. What a horrible piece of plot inconsistency. It makes me want to fly to Vancouver and murder Al/Miles.

Wow for once I totally agree with you. As I was watching I was thinking "Well so much for one of the greatest episodes ever, Memoria". I was rather board with this episode. I mean good grief couldn't they come up with something better than this? I hate Grant Gaberial but now I hate him even more. The one part that I did like was the very end when Jor-El said he was tired of Kal-El not obeying him and that he would have to pay for. With such a great season going now this? Man I'm pissed.


Originally posted by shadow4486
Are all of you on crack? This episode was terrible. Not the worst but pretty darn close.

Gabriel is a Luthor. Oh, wait not just any luthor but THE "dead as a baby, Lex has been traumatized and institutionalized because of" JULIAN LUTHOR.

What are you kidding me? I've been watching from day one (as most of you) and this is the worst plot twist of any show ever. And I mean that 100% Why don't we just bring back Jonathan and Pete and, hell, while we're at it...Lana's dead parents.

I over looked Chloe's mom having blonde hair and then she's Linda Carter. I've overlooked alot but Julian Luthor is a hard pill to swallow.

That being said, I do want to see what happens to clark and kara. That, at least, was interesting.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[SteveS]

I got a great laugh out of Lex referring to Grant studying lois' bra size, seeing Grant and lois in luv, Chloe's expression at catching Gratis getting it on and then her sage advice to the older but not wiser cousin, and ClarkMan meeting his mother and now knowing that he looks like his father. I gave it a 9. The vast majority liked the episode.

[BadToad]

7/10 I'm actually surprised I liked it better then I thought it would.

I actually liked a lot of the El family soap opera. I totally understood why Clark did what he did, and while it was a mistake, I liked that he fought back and did everything in his power to fix his mistake. And the Jor-El AI is just a sick, twisted piece of work. Ugh, that ending was so wrong and disturbing.

I thought Helen Slater did a much better job in this ep, and the actor playing Zor-El was so hammy and over-the-top that he was sort of funny.

In addition to liking Clark a lot this week, I also liked Kara quite a bit. And I liked Chloe this week as well.

I know Lana was going to skate for the most part, and bearing that in mind, the way they shoved her crap under the rug was probably the best we can expect from this show when it comes to this character. At least she seemed genuinelly remorseful at the end, and spoke some truth at the end.

But this ep also loses big marks for the ongoing Lois/Grant romance idiocy. And more then that, the moronic Grant=Julian plot twist. Its hard to pull off a retcon with the best of writing. With SV's writing? Impossible.

[Lightning Flash]

Soo many twists and plot turns this episode, and so much revealed, it was too much to handle. First off, Blue Kryptonite, though disappointing on the results, was still awesome that a new kryptonite was introduced.

We got to see both Lara and Zor-El again, it was pretty cool that they were replicates, though upsetting in the end when they are gone.

The last 10 minutes on the show, I've go to say, is probably on the best. The revelation of Grant (supposedly) being Julian Luthor, and then Kara ending up having amnesia was just too much to handle.

Ohh man, and the cliffhanger ending with Clark left to Jor-El... too superb.

[SweetOne]

A few things that bothered me (but not too much;) ):

a) Clark not listening to Jor-El ONCE AGAIN!!!! ARGH!

b) LANA LANG! She is so useless. Any scenes that she does with Clark could easily be done by Chloe (and we know AM would bring more to the screen). The first scene Clark asks Lana to watch his cloned mom...the other one is a conversation about why he wanted to get to know his mother. There was a little bit about the path that Lana is taking but if they had cut that out Chloe could have done those scenes. Lex, Clark and Chloe (and maybe now Kara) carry this show so let's see more of them.

c)More Lex!! He always delivers great scenes. Even better than that...more Clex. They are so dynamic together.


Originally posted by redeem147
But the Julian reveal was pretty darn cool. I love being unspoiled.

While I don't feel quite as conservative as you about the reveal (I loved it!) I can say that I love being unspoiled as well.

I gave this episode a 10!!(my first one of the season) I'm such a sucker for twists!!!!! I love them in movies and books and pretty much any form of entertainment. I wish every episode had events as astounding as the Julian reveal. It was so thrilling to me!

[pleasenoclois]

Originally posted by LovelyLora
In all honesty I didn't really care for this episode. I was kinda bored. I was glad that Clark got to meet his mom though.
Although the lack of Lana made it better although it was really annoying at the end when Clark is upset about letting the people he loves get hurt and he is talking to Lana and then BOOM the conversation is turned around and is talking about her!

The best thing was the last 5 minutes of the show. I really was thrown with the whole Julian thing. I think it was a pretty good twist. I am curious to see where they go with it. I am also curious to see what Clark's punishment is for not listening to Jor-El.

Overall I gave it a 7....mainly for the last 5 minutes.

That is EXACTLY how I feel (and I rated it the same as well.)
I've been pretty bored with this season so far in general up until the twists they added at the end here. They could do a lot of interesting stuff with them. I'm curious to see what happens to Kara as well. They need to have more AM in these epi's too.

[love_smallville]

it was AMAZING!!!! Totally was not expecting that in the end..now I know why I stopped reading spoilers!!!

[MRluvr]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
WORST. TWIST. EVER!!! They totally screwed up the Julian storyline.

OMG i know!!! WTF? Lex SAW his mom kill Julian--are we just expected to throw Memoria completely out the window? and what about the Lex and Lionel scene at the end of Memoria? is that just a bunch of garbage now? The only way this can be redeemed in my eyes is if Lex has convinced Gabriel that he is Julian for his own evil purposes--which doesn't seem too far fetched because this is so completely crazy. It better be somewhere along these lines, otherwise AlMiles totally screwed up!

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by Autumn
Clark has a consequence AGAIN!!! Let me guess...Lana dies...again. And then Clark finds a way to reverse it to save his evil Lady MacBeth...

:lol:

[Naman is 1#]

Originally posted by monel49
Whenever John Glover is on the show gets much stronger--even his small part added greatly to the drama.


Yeah i'm with ya there. The dialogue that John provides just pulls me into the show so much more.

[teddybairs]

Hate to say this but I can actually see GG as Julian. They never said what happened to Julian's body. It would be like the "old" Lionel to order something done with a comatose baby which his wife and son both thought was dead. He disposed of other people just as efficiently. A small, near dead child would be easy. Especially if he felt he had to protect his family, and thus himself, from unnecessary and "messy" questions.

Liked the Episode. I do wonder what Clark's punishment for defiance is going to be this time. In truth, he kind of deserved it this time. If he had listened to Jor-El to begin with, none if it would have happened and Kara wouldn't be missing.

In truth, this could have been a season finale in it's own right. I guess they really are going for broke this season.

Too bad Martha couldn't have met Lara.

[Spirit Detective]

This episode had some very interesting cliffhangers. I want to see Jor-El's punishment. I hope this is addressed in the next episode.

[Jor-El's Oracle]

Wow. I had to give this episode a "10". Episodes like this is what i watch Smallville for. This episode felt epic and the scope was wide. Zor-El had to be the most bad a*s villain ever on the show. This episode was also shot very beautifully especially all of the fortress scenes. Helen Slater looked beautiful as Lara and she did a great job. The only gripes i had with this episode is that Clark is still blind to fact that Lana is a psycho, and the whole Grant Gabriel is Julian Luthor storyline they really threw me with that one. Other than that i don't know how i am gonna stand the wait for "Gemini". Best episode of the season for me.

[ashleycreedy]

I loved the Lex/Julian plot. Finally someone who's working with Lex and that he can trust again!
Who knows how long that will last, but it was definitely a GASP! moment, and I didn't think it took away from Memoria at all, given that Lex's memories then, as well as his experiences, were very real to him.
What we remember and the truth aren't always the same.
I had not expected to like BLUE, but I really did!

[MidgardDragon]

Gave it a 9/10. The only reason it doesn't get a 10 is because I expected a bit more major revelations about the El family. Didn't feel as big as I expected, but still a wonderful episode, and HOLY CRAP to the Julian reveal. Didn't even come *close* to seeing that one coming.


Originally posted by MRluvr
OMG i know!!! WTF? Lex SAW his mom kill Julian--are we just expected to throw Memoria completely out the window? and what about the Lex and Lionel scene at the end of Memoria? is that just a bunch of garbage now? The only way this can be redeemed in my eyes is if Lex has convinced Gabriel that he is Julian for his own evil purposes--which doesn't seem too far fetched because this is so completely crazy. It better be somewhere along these lines, otherwise AlMiles totally screwed up!

Totally expected this complaint from at least one someone, and all I have to say to it is:

:rolleyes:

Did we see a dead baby in a non-memory flashback, ever? Or did we just see Lex's memories of the event and never see the actual body? Yeah, exactly.

[ntrudr1400]

Man I am so tired of that guy who can't act at all and now he's suppose to be Julian. Sorry Smallville even if he is a clone I just aint biting. He was suffocated by his mother. He was found dead by Lionel and now it turns out he is alive and well. Maybe I'd have found it more exciting if you had put someone who can act in the role. It is so painful watching this guy try to act. Jeez Jessica Simpson gives better performances then this poor guy.

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by teddybairs
In truth, this could have been a season finale in it's own right.

Yeah I can see that.....with the big revelation (*gasp*) and then leaving us hanging there at the end. I loved it.


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Did we see a dead baby in a non-memory flashback, ever? Or did we just see Lex's memories of the event and never see the actual body? Yeah, exactly.

You tell 'em!!!

:)

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by SweetOne
Yeah I can see that.....with the big revelation (*gasp*) and then leaving us hanging there at the end. I loved it.



You tell 'em!!!

:)

Actually I withdraw my statement (slightly) based on someone mentioning an age plothole that makes sense. However, I do believe Julian would have had to have lived for a little while after we saw him supposedly killed, so that whatever was done to him (likely cloning) could be done.

[SweetOne]

Actually I think your statement still stands. (age plotholes be damned!) The most important question (that I can tell) is could Julian Luthor still be alive??? And I think that is certainly possible based on your comment that we have never actually seen a dead baby only a memory of the event.

As long as the writers can establish the basis for Julian being alive I really dont mind the age issue. I honestly never even picked up on it. I really don't care what age Julian "should" be. I'm just enjoying the excitement of where this developement can take SV.

The writers came up with a storyline for Julian back in season three to progress the plot back then. It FIT for Smallville characters at that time. I'm sure they did not forsee using him in later seasons. But now a new Julian storyline opens up in order for them to progress the season 8 plot...so I'm wondering why everyone cares SO MUCH??

I do not agree that it neutralizes the impact of earlier story arcs. It's an interesting development so let's see where they take it.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by SweetOne
Actually I think your statement still stands. (age plotholes be damned!) The most important question (that I can tell) is could Julian Luthor still be alive??? And I think that is certainly possible based on your comment that we have never actually seen a dead baby only a memory of the event.

As long as the writers can establish the basis for Julian being alive I really dont mind the age issue. I honestly never even picked up on it.

As far as the age issue I wouldn't mind if he was at least as old as 18, but I think the age plothole was that Julian should be around 16 years old if he just never died. That wouldn't fit properly, and I don't think they'd do it. I think cloning or some experimental LuthorCorp project is likely. I'd have to get into spoilers to say why I think so, though.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by ntrudr1400
Man I am so tired of that guy who can't act at all and now he's suppose to be Julian. I think he's doing fine. He's actually received some praise from critics. Not for SV, but for his work on Hidden Palms.

[MidgardDragon]

I like the guy, and definitely think he can act. People just seem to not realize that he's not supposed to be a likable character. He's annoying and that's exactly how he's being played. I imagine we'll see more of why now that we have some depth and a reason for him to be on the show.

[ginnyfan]

I give it a 9. Twas good. There were some pleasant surprises in there. :)

[superman2001]

I thought the Episode, was awesome, it was great to see Lara, again, my favorite scene in the episode, is when clark saves lara,and kara, from zorel, i wonder how kara, is going to get her powers, back, and i was caught offguard to find out who grant grabiel was, I can't wait to see the next new episode.

[CallMeClark]

10/10 merely for the fact that Smallvile actually didn't leak spoilers! I was shocked. I actually didn't have prior knowledge to the Kara twist or the Grant twist.

[samanta]

I gave it 5.
I liked the part with Lara and Zor-El.
The Grant is Julian twist and Lois destroyed this episode for me.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Once more Clark endangers the world because he doesn't listen to his old man.

OH COME ON !!!!

Enough already with this same old storyline !!

It seems that Jor-El was a nice guy, a pacifist, one assumes the destuction of his world made him change.

As for the Julian thing, talk about pulling storylines out of your butt.

[Jaded Wolf]

I finally get to give an episode this season a 10/10! About time! This is a good episode. I loved the plot twists like Kara getting transported and mind-wiped. I definetely liked it at the end when Jor-El tells Clark, "You have defied me once again Kal-El." I am anxious to see what happens next. It sucks we must now wait until December.

This is what constitutes a good episode. It was interesting. It kept my attention. It threw some surprises in there and it wasn't the same old soap opera crap it was becoming. I hope the writers have written their last episodes before the strike with this much gesto.

[superman79]

Originally posted by Autumn
I gave the episode a 2. I honestly don't get why so many people love this episdode. They destroyed what was great from previous seasons in just one episode.

Here's what I liked:

1) Chloe at least told Lois off a little bit. Last week she finally told Lana off, and now Lois.

2) You know I'm actually pro Grant and Lois. Yup, they deserve each other. Heck, they both got their start in their careers because of Lex Luthor. Lex gave Lois her hs diploma, got her into college (not that that helped much), and he got Grant his job at the DP (big surprise; neither of them like to work their way to the top the right way) who then "gave" Lois a job for no apparent reason other than the fact that she had passion. I think they are a perfect match. Lois is such a horrible reporter that she can't even take a picture or even know how to type.

Well that was it.

Now for my dislikes:

1) Chloe being used as a plot device once again!!!!It really bugs me, like the writers don't think she's leading lady material. I'm sick and tired of their little one-liners where Chloe calls herself a sidekick. Or Lana last week when she said, "It's just Chloe" in that snot voice. I'd punch her. Chloe should seriously tell everyone off!!! And I think AM should tell Al/Miles off as well. They are using her and treating her like garbage. And honestly, it ticks me off. Clark shows up when he "needs" something. Oh my gosh, it makes me want to be ill. I don't even care about Chloe and Clark anymore. He's a jerk. And so is Lois and Lana and Kara and Jimmy. Seriously, Chloe should give Oliver a call and join the justice league.

2) CLARK!!! He's the biggest idiot I've ever seen. He ignores Jor-El AGAIN!!! Wow, can we repeat this plot line for the gazillionth time? I mean anyone with a brain would be able to tell it was a trap. Clark has a consequence AGAIN!!! Let me guess...Lana dies...again. And then Clark finds a way to reverse it to save his evil Lady MacBeth...and then someone we really actually do like dies instead. But who? Martha will probably be visiting, and bye bye. Clark has let both of his parents die for Lana. OR...Chloe dies and then Al/Miles will have no one to use anymore to spout out exposition. Clark cries for about half a second, and then goes in search of his tableau vivante.

3) Lana is forgiven for all of her evil deeds for "ALL" that she did for Lara. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What did she do? Make her tea. I'm crying, I'm laughing so hard. I couldn't believe Clark said that. Lana got injured...again. Clark is a complete chump.

4) Kara has amnesia. Wow, how original. I guess it works on "As the world Turns." So, maybe they watched an episode and felt inspired. I know I always do.

5) Speaking of soaps, JULIAN IS RESURRECTED!!!! Back from the dead. Apparently, babies can come back to life after they've been smothered to death by their mentally insane mother. No, they can't just let a good story live on. They have to destroy it and ruin any kind of good characterization Lex and Lionel created back in Memoria. That was probably the best episode of the entire series, and now they've destroyed it with this Julian's still alive crap. I'll give them props. They shocked me. I didn't see that one coming. Maybe I underestimated their stupidity. The whole reason Lionel resented Lex was because he thought Lex killed Julian. Do they even remember their own show? There are no words to describe my disgust. MR and JG must be livid. Any respect I had for the show, is now completely gone.

5) How old is "Julian" supposed to be continuity wise? 17? And how old is Grant? Maybe 22. As ridiculous as that already is for an editor. I actually don't mind Grant, as long as he's not Julian and as long as he treats Chloe with a little more respect.

6) The mythology was just more re-hashing of unoriginal plot lines.

7) Still can't stand Clana. It's actually nauseating.

8) Still no Chloe/Lex/Lionel interaction. They should have their own spin off show and leave everyone else behind. They're the only reasons I still watch.

Overall, the episode was complete crap to me. I just don't know how this show can get worse. I almost died last week with the Clana earthquake sex, and now the return of Julian. I mean, are they trying to sabotage their show on purpose? That or they are completely off their rockers.






Agreed. Evenif you remove the fact that this is supposed to be a SUPERMAN story, Smallville sucks! They have destroyed this season 8 eps in. Well, last week pretty much put the nail in the coffin, but I hope these writers stay on strike forever because they don't deserve even a well earned poo! IMO of course.

[Chloe>All]

5/10

Meh, it wasn't the greatest episode. There were too many inconsistencies for my taste. It seems like they're trying to add too much this season.

[Milopar]

I am going to have to agree with the people who disliked the episode. It was so-so for me too.

I am waiting for Jor El to say.........."Kal El, you're an idiot. How can you be of my loins!!!"

And for those would reply "Clark's using human emotion" STOP

[STFanatic]

IMO, I liked the Kara amnesia plot line.
Why?
To me, it seemed like a great vehicle for a Supergirl series.
Kara in Detroit, no one knows her, she doesn't know herself who or what she is.
Taken in by a kindly restaurant staff/owner.
Talk about "Fast Food", she could churn out a room full of burgers in seconds p
Seriously, to me, it seemed like a set up for a new series.
It seems even without powers, Clark is one tough hombre.
Someone tossed that far, smashed into a car (what is it anyway about people in Smallville and car windshields anyway?) and just a couple of cuts and nothing broken except the car?

Well, it seems we are now into reruns, stay tuned for "Kara" next week.

[superpal1]

Liked this episode. Gave it an eight. Zor-el flying-not Clark. Yet one more kryptonian who gets to earth and flys right off the bat. At least Lara didnt. Liked the mythos and Jorel pretty much telling Clark that he needs to learn his lesson. I hope they don't spin off Kara into her own show. I want one more season of Smallville.

[WickedJenn]

There was a big "woah" there with GG supposedly (and I stress that word) being Julian. I sat there thinking "what??"

I'm curious to see what they do with that one.

And I'm dying to know what Jor-El's punishment will be...I kept trying to think of ideas...and I keep coming back to something happening to either Lana or Chloe.

Then from there I thought...what's REALLY keeping Clark in Smallville? I mean I know they have to keep things going on there because that is the name of the show, however if something happened to Lana, I think perhaps Clark would finally leave Smallville and/or begin to fulfill his destiny.

This is a theory way out of left field of course, pure conjecture.

The episode was alright. I also liked the part where Kara ends up in Michigan...and I agree with you STF, that could definitely mean potential for a Supergirl series.

[Promise]

Originally posted by AngelaV
Wow! Can they do episodes like this EVERY TIME!??? :)

Nope, then we would get what we all want and Smallville would of probably ended in 3 seasons. The writers have done a good job stretching the story of Clark Kent before Superman.

Clark centric episodes are the best at all times. This episode to me went back to its roots. Loved this episode. Finally a season worth watching.

Loved that there was Clana. Thought she wasn't going to be in this one. Good to see she is holding on to her good side. Clark did a good job of comforting.

What did Jor-EL do this time? Man, Clark sure is a stubborn child. lol But I can see why he is becoming Superman. But before he starts his training, he has to accept Jor-EL.

But the twist of course is Julian Luthor.

[KryptoKnight]

This is the first episode I rated as 10 and not because it was my most loved episode, but because it had so many things to like.
- This was Tom's best acting episode I can think of. He seemed to have Superman nailed.
- Chloe looked her best despite the lack of Chloevage.
- This is the first time I can say I actually saw Lois as Lois Lane. The character is nicely developing into the self appointed expert reporter of the Planet. Her frustration with a keyboard was hysterical.
- Heyerdahl does a great job of being the evil Zor-El. He has so much character just standing in one spot. His acting makes Smallville actually appear to be a real drama.
- Lana's uneasiness around Lara made it feel like an end to this stage in her life with Clark may be coming to an end.
- The twist was beautiful. Grant = Jullian WOW.
- Kara's dispersal to Detroit was quite a surprise.
Everything made this show very entertaining although not perfect.

[mfarhaniqbal33]

can anybody pm me and tell me dat GG is Juilian i missed the episode plz do tell me if GG is Julian Luthor if he is did they explain how or wat scene was it shown that GG is Julian any body pm me plz

[supergirl28]

Ii did have me on the edge of my chair. i can wait to see what happens in December

[MetroGirl06]

This is the first episode that I've truly liked in a while. I can't think of any major criticism! Sacrilege! I know. Despite minor details, I rated this a 10.

[Thallion]

I was rather disappointed in this episode, is it against the rules to have a something like a two parter midseason, as in ZorEl not being defeated in less then 30 minutes of show? I mean c'mon. the acting was lame, Kara just says "hey, Lara" and walks over to hug her. I was just a little lost like this was a walk through airing not a final draft. Yes, the last 5 minutes were great, but that didn't make me enjoy the whole episode. Although I have to admit I am geeked to see the next episode. I just hope that we can get soem stellar writing coming up. I love this show, but now I feel my faith waning. I don't want it to end, but it is time. The stories are getting lame, like they are reaching...really reaching for something to hold our attention.

[jor-eldeux]

Not enough crack in this episode. OOps did I say that? I think that's what you have to be on to produce such ridiculous story lines. You wonder why the writings crappy? It's cause the crappy story line. I am sorry, screwing up previous history aside, ignoring DC lines, etc. Tune in next week, Jonathan will be in the shower, and probably with ZOr-El's wife. In the immortal words of Frank Barone (Everybody Loves Raymond) - Holy Crap Marie!

[gategod]

6/10 because of the whole final Luther twist that gets revealed at the end, the rest of the story was "eh" so instead of a 5 i gave it a 6 ^_^

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by supergirl28
Ii did have me on the edge of my chair. i can wait to see what happens in December

Me either! That one looks reeeeeeeally good.

[hugesmallvillefan]

amazing episode i loved it. it was soo cool that clark met his mom. it ruled!!!!! one of my favourite episodes yet!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I like the guy, and definitely think he can act. People just seem to not realize that he's not supposed to be a likable character. He's annoying and that's exactly how he's being played. I imagine we'll see more of why now that we have some depth and a reason for him to be on the show. I think people are just mad that he's not bewwy nice to paww wil Chwoe.

I think you're right. We'll def. get more depth to Grant now.

[axisoftime]

I gave it a 7-I liked Clark getting to spend time with Lara-Grant being Jullian(if true)-and Kara losing her memory and landing in Detroit-Im in the northern suburbs maybe she' ll wonder this way lol.However I didnt like how they portray Zor-El-I remember him as a noted and respected scientist.

I can see Clark not listening to Jor-EL-after all he thought his mother needed him-he couldnt just walk away-Superman wouldnt do that.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I like how he was introduced as a seemingly unimportant character, and he's become a very important, interesting character.

[jor-eldeux]

oh yeah .... one more thing ... this episode was about the comparison of the two families .... go through and compare the fathers to each other, Jor-El, Zor-El, Lion-el, ha ... nobody caught that before did they .... anyway, the mother who strangled her son vs. Lana-el, the siblings (if GG really is the son) vs. Kal-el and Kara-el ....

while a crappy result .... the string is there .... has much potential, just never made it .....

[chelli]

I liked this episode as well though wish kara would have stayed on rather than being tossed to Detroit with Amensia.maybe they're considering a Midvalle Spinvile with her alter ego being Linda Lee that'd be cool since she doesn't seem to reappear in the next 7 episodes of Smallvile
and think they addressed the continuity error that we all noticed as LAraa exclaimed Sher had no the portal sent her forward in time(which would explain the picture frame being intact the current kitchen setting the 90s tv(remember the old house was destroyed in the 2nd meteor storm so the one here and in Lara are idenical)(unless you interpert that she may be referring to this scenne as concurrent to krypton being destroyed around her
One flaw though why would she and Lionel be destroyed when Kal-El shattered the crystal Dna clone would leave the body intactThat is more in keeping with a hologram then

[Tacitus]

I don't know what's gotten into the writers of Smallville, but they keep surprising me week after week. It seems like they're giving their best before going to strike.

I've always thought that if we were ever going to see another Luthor its going to be Lucas, but Julian? Didn't see that one coming! Great twist, hands down. That, the Kara twist and the Jor-El twist at the end, make that 3 great twists in one episode. Couldn't have wished for anything more. Great episode, great acting and great portrayal of Clark's character. I especially loved his conversation with Lana in the barn at the end of the episode. I rarely see the guy as a beacon of hope, but he certainly acted as such last night. More Smallville goodness of this kind please!

10/10

[trying2b]

You know I usually like all episode of Smallville but this one sucked......bad!

[Pimson]

This episode was awesome! I just dropped my mouth when Lex and Julian/Grant talked and it was revealed that Julian's alive. It was also very exciting to see Zor-El and Lara, and the way Clark solved it. (Although everything does not seem to be okay with Kara..) I really look forward to the next episode.

[All about Clark]

I'm confused by how I felt about this episode. It was like the principle was really good but it seemed the dialogue just wasn't there if you know what I mean. Nothing to get me excited except Clark's consequence. So in saying that I'd give it only a 7.5 because it was solid enough.

[babyluthor]

I thought this was a great episode. So many big twists. The action with Zor-el was awesome. Can't wait to see what happens next. Overall I give it a 9.

[stevez1982]

2.

Don't get me wrong but I loved smallville, its used to be my favorite show ever....but I gotta say after watching Heroes, I have new expectations with good story telling, but they are so clumsy with the story in smallville now....the julian thing is just crap. WE SAW JULIAN DIE earlier in the series, and it just seems like the writers are running out of things to write about... so they just say, "what could we do next, I KNOW, lets throw Julian in there!" They pulled that outta there ass. If for some crazy way he survived that death in his cradle....AT LEAST GIVE AN EXPLANATION HOW

The crap about his mom in this episode offered nothing to the main plot and its just a glorified filler episode without throwing in a freak of the week.

Something else I don't get....Clark mentioned something about needing a way to get to the Fortress and Chloe is like "sorry clark, don't have the miles to put on my car yada yada yada"....yet he magically showed up there at the end of the episode. No explanation.

Weak. I'm actually glad there is a writers strike, it may give the writers some time to make a decent storyline. And they better get to it quick because Micheal doesn't want to come back for season 8 and they have a shorter season this year most likely and they better wrap it up quick.

[clarkbunny]

I gave it an 8, overall I quite liked it and I was OK with the plot twist at the end until I came on here and read people's posts.

I kept seeing people saying they can't believe the writers have brought Julian back from the dead. I was shaking my head thinking 'gosh these people have sooo got the wrong end of the stick, it's Lucas not Julian - Julian is dead' Just to make sure I went back and rewatched the ending - doh!!

Now I could have bought Lucas - 'cos as far as I know he is still alive and having just rewatched Prodigal there is even a resemblance between the actor that played Lucas and the one that plays Grant Gabriel. I just don't know how they are going to write their way out of this one except maybe the clone theory

:rolleyes:

I am just hoping that it really is Lucas some how.

[Crash27]

This was a great episode! I just wish clark would fly already. But "stevez1982" the way clark got to the Fortress was with the Key from his ship, It was in the book he opened when Chloe took him to the farm. He just went to the Caves and teleported to it.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by stevez1982

Don't get me wrong but I loved smallville, its used to be my favorite show ever....but I gotta say after watching Heroes, I have new expectations with good story telling, but they are so clumsy with the story in smallville now....the julian thing is just crap. WE SAW JULIAN DIE earlier in the series, and it just seems like the writers are running out of things to write about... so they just say, "what could we do next, I KNOW, lets throw Julian in there!" They pulled that outta there ass. If for some crazy way he survived that death in his cradle....AT LEAST GIVE AN EXPLANATION HOW

The crap about his mom in this episode offered nothing to the main plot and its just a glorified filler episode without throwing in a freak of the week.

Something else I don't get....Clark mentioned something about needing a way to get to the Fortress and Chloe is like "sorry clark, don't have the miles to put on my car yada yada yada"....yet he magically showed up there at the end of the episode. No explanation.

Weak. I'm actually glad there is a writers strike, it may give the writers some time to make a decent storyline. And they better get to it quick because Micheal doesn't want to come back for season 8 and they have a shorter season this year most likely and they better wrap it up quick.

Man I love Heroes! Favorite show!

You must have missed the part when Chloe showed up? She had the disc to Clark's ship/cavewall/caveportal.

But yeah I totally agree with you. This is the only episode that I have not liked this year (except when Grant Gabriel was in the scene). I even liked just about every episode in season 6 except Wither. So for me not to like it, yeah it was messed up.

[bobowayney]

Great episode- a couple oddities - like why Zor-El can fly and CK STILL can't- Kara defyimg her father the way Clark always defies Jor-El and now has amensia (and maybe no powers ?) lost and Jor-El not helping Clark find her - AND Grant Gabriel being Julian Luthor! WOW! Except,er . . . isn't Julian dead? hmmm do I smell yet ANOTHER clone maybe ? COULD that be why Lex warned his "brother" NOT to tell Lionel ?? to the answers to these and other burning questions , tune in next time, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel(wrong show)

[Imzadia]

This was another Great episode, full of twists & surprises, but I only rated it an 8/10. The 'Grant Gabriel' surprise was a disappointment for me, so it was a Big thing. I didn't like it one bit. The surprise Ending was Fantastic, though! I can hardly wait until Dec. 13th's "Gemini". However, like 'monel49', I have LOVED S7 so far and I think it's Really on a roll. It's Sad that the WGA strike had to happen Now. It would be quite a catastrophe if the strike lasted through next spring & then it might start a 'Contracts War' with the Actors and Snowball a lot of disappointment on all sides of the entertainment industry...Performers AND Fans. Whoa! Did I just say all that? It just came out...I surprised myself that I'm feeling this way. I hate to think about the Casualties of such a conflict, especially our Beloved Favorites which include 'Smallville'. Boo-Hoo!!!


Originally posted by shadow4486
Are all of you on crack? This episode was terrible. Not the worst but pretty darn close.

Hardly any clark...lana has the devil inside...gabriel and lois (boring) and Gabriel is a Luthor. Oh, wait not just any luthor but THE "dead as a baby, Lex has been traumatized and institutionalized because of" JULIAN LUTHOR.

What are you kidding me? I've been watching from day one (as most of you) and this is the worst plot twist of any show ever. And I mean that 100% Why don't we just bring back Jonathan and Pete and, hell, while we're at it...Lana's dead parents.

I over looked Chloe's mom having blonde hair and then she's Linda Carter. I've overlooked alot but Julian Luthor is a hard pill to swallow.

That being said, I do want to see what happens to clark and kara. That, at least, was interesting.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Your 'Particular' comments made me ROAR with Laughter. Especially after reading a lot of the others' comments, not too much complaining or criticizm, then You burst on the scene. :eek: Wow! You said a mouth full!! :rotfl: :rotfl: If you read my rating & comment, you'll see I feel 'almost' as vehement about that 'Grant Gabriel' plot twist as you do. I agree that it throws so much of Lex's character background out of balance that I in a state of shock. :confused: I am so confused as to 'WHY?' they would do this. After all of the 'good' stories they've managed to produce for this season, OMG! :eek: It's that 'Jumping the Shark thingy'...don't you think? However, you should cool down :cool: & hold off on your tantrum :mad: And give them a chance to make amends. I'm sorry, but I can't even believe that Grant is 'Really' Julian. It must be some trick or scam of Lex's. Anyway, since the Writers are all on strike, they have more downtime to check out these Forums and learn what we think about their handywork. :lol:

[stevez1982]

Originally posted by trying2b
Man I love Heroes! Favorite show!

You must have missed the part when Chloe showed up? She had the disc to Clark's ship/cavewall/caveportal.

But yeah I totally agree with you. This is the only episode that I have not liked this year (except when Grant Gabriel was in the scene). I even liked just about every episode in season 6 except Wither. So for me not to like it, yeah it was messed up.

Good point about the clone thing.....even so, it seems like its just an excuse since they run out of stories since they already killed Julian off...kinda like they were thinking "I wish we could bring julian back to bring some drama to the show, but he's dead...wait! We'll bring him back and just say he's a clone! Its a science fiction show so anything can happen, and the people will eat it up!"...I just wish they could have some great plots with the people that are already there.

Personally I thought season 6 was excellent with the lex/lana thing because it was not knowing if lex was being good or evil in the marriage and it was a great new plot and the whole clark/lana thing was put on hold for a season.

[clana4everfan2]

I thought it was pretty good but I felt like Clark's interaction/relationship with Lara was too quick. He really didn't spend any time with her the whole thing felt rushed along with the whole Zor El thing.. I would have liked for Clark to lose his powers a bit longer and have to really deal with this situation with Zor-El and his mother. I was shocked at the Grant/Jullian thing and I'm waiting to know more. Only because in Season 3 when Lex goes crazy over thinking he killed his brother, then he has several other episodes in season 4 and season5 break downs. That whole Jullian/Grant thing totally threw me for a loop. And Lara foreshadowing Lana's future if her revenge towards Lex comsumes her until there is no way she can recover.

[sphrkilo]

I can't even score this episode, because overall this season is not holding my attention. I zoned out on about half of it, so maybe the parts I missed were better than the crap I did see. At this point, I'm torn between wanting the season to be over so it can be put out of it's misery or having it continue so it can redeem itself. Not even Tom Welling's gorgeous face can save this for me.

[owensj1]

The episode was OK I gave it a 7.

For me the Grant/Julian twist was ridiculous. I hope that the writers come up with a good explanation but I think it is clear that the people who produce and write the show can not remember their previous plots. I have been reading the posts here on the Ksite and I think that there are a lot of good ideas to get out of this obvious plot hole -- the clone idea seems to make sense as does Lex convincing a mental unstable Grant that he is really Julian.
Honestly TPTB would have done themselves a favor to have made Grant, Lucas Luthor with a facelift ala Morgan Edge. If it was Lucas there would have been more possibilities to involve Clark in the story with the return of Rachel Dunleavy.

I did like the Zor-El / Lara storyline and although it was extremely frustrating to have Clark not listen to Jor-El it is very consistent with Clark's character. I actually like that Clark involved Lana with Lara. Having to structure the dialog to address Lana's new darkness storyline and not having Lana explore her fundamental issues of losing her parents in the first meteor shower was kind of unsatisfying. I mean one of the key elements of Clark and Lana's relationship was that neither had a relationship with their biological parents while each has a good relationship with their adoptive ones. -- I know that they got rid of Nell too soon. To have Lana confront Clark's ability to know Lara using Kryptonian technology while she can still never know her parents because of a Kryptonian meteor shower would have offered a lot of possibilities for stories.

[dpcoltsfan]

I am new to this. Usually I start to post, I read some of the other comments, and a lot are so negative I think, "What's the point?" But this week, I figure what the heck. I am not one who watches the show like it's my whole life, or just to pick out all the negatives-to me that takes all the enjoyment out of it. It is just a show, although it is my favorite. So, here goes.
Given the spoilers we had this week about the whole thing being Zor-el's plot, I half expected Lara to turn evil at any moment and blast Clark, and I was glad that didn't happen. I thought Clark was actually showcased pretty well this week, and the punch to Zor-el was very cool, although the look on Zor-el's face was more like "ok, here I go out hte window, oh well." It should have been more of a "What the...!! Kal-el!?! He just looked so content flying backwards.
I thought the Grant/Julian twist was very interesting. It really made me wonder how they are going to explain it when Lex supposedly saw Julian dead in his crib. I suppose a bleary-eyed 12 year-old wouldn't check for a pulse, he could have just been unconscious. Then again, Grant/Julian could be a clone. The spoilers we have about a character being killed later on, and it possibley being Grant, could be yet another step in Lex's downward spiral.
Chloe-not enough fiery reporter; we still need more of that back. There were flashes; at least she wasn't crying the whole episode.
Jimmy-none at all-loved it! I just can't stand the way he is written. Grinning ear to ear all the time, rubbing the Kara thing in Chloe's face. He may be close to being the character in the comic books, with his boyish enthusiasm, but after a while he's just like the dog who's trying to hump your leg-Enough already!
Lana-I am not so much sure she showesd up at Ollie's pad because of Kara, as she was there to see what technology she could pilfer and just got there at a coincidental time. Everyone wants her to stay away from he Dark Side (insert heavy mechanical breathing here), but she just can't help it-I really want this resolved one way or the other.
Lex-he's Lex, what can you say-manipulating others to serve his purpose,
Overall, I'd give this an 8 out of 10- avery good episode that was better than several of the previous ones.

[Fly by guy]

I gave it a 6. Isn't it too soon to pull the "memory loss" card AGAIN.
I had gotten used to and sometimes tired of the FOTW themes of the early seasons but now it seems to be LIL (Lois in Love) everytime a new face appears.
I'll be curious to see how the Julian crap plays out. I can still see the look of anquish on Lionel's face when Lex told him it wasn't him but mom that "killed" Julian. If Lionel knew that Julian wasn't dead then he is the most AWESOME actor on screen. I suspect they have meadow muffins flowing in the writer's room after that herd of bulls.
Why is Lana perceived as having a "darkness" just because she wants revenge on a guy who munipulated and pychologically, as well as physically tortured her. I think she has shown considerable restraint. If I were her, he would be missing a bat and two balls with more to follow.

[disciples of zod]

WTF????

grant supposedly lex's dead brother?!?! NO WAY! hello, there was an entire episode in season 3 (Memoria) devoted to julian and how he supposedly "died".

other than that, it was great. why couldn't have all the other earlier episodes been that good?

[Xanderman]

Amazing episode, one of Smallville's all time best. An instant series classic, for me anyway.

10/10

[Kalyxx]

Great ending . Its' about time Jor- El put Clark in check.
He really showed himself being a BDA in this episode though.

One question though .

How did Clark get to the North Pole from Kansas with no super speed. Did he call Oliver?

I was also hoping in this epidode Lara would give Zor El a run for his money with her powers.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by Kalyxx
Great ending . Its' about time Jor- El put Clark in check.
He really showed himself being a BDA in this episode though.

One question though .

How did Clark get to the North Pole from Kansas with no super speed. Did he call Oliver?

I was also hoping in this epidode Lara would give Zor El a run for his money with her powers.

While Clark was attempting to grind the ring off of his finger, Chloe located the hidden Cave Key that Clark uses to get to the fortress.
He used that to get there.

[rundstedt2001]

Originally posted by Pimson
This episode was awesome! I just dropped my mouth when Lex and Julian/Grant talked and it was revealed that Julian's alive. It was also very exciting to see Zor-El and Lara, and the way Clark solved it. (Although everything does not seem to be okay with Kara..) I really look forward to the next episode.

You were paid how much to write this garbage??? Shame on you!

[Backward Galaxy]

This show was painful. An awful awful awful excuse television.

[trying2b]

No kidding!

[KansasKitty]

I liked everything except Lara character. Very bland for someone who hooked up with Jor-el and supposedly helped him forget about the women he fell in love with back on Earth in the 60"s. Jor-el, even as a disembodied voice, seems like a force to be reckoned with. To me Lara just doesn't fit the bill.

I was hoping for much more from the reunion with Kal-el and his birth mom. But what can I say...Mama Kent is a tuff act to follow.

Oh yeah...I think Julian/Grant thing has something to do with Lex's nanny that died of cancer.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by rundstedt2001
You were paid how much to write this garbage??? Shame on you!

That's right. Every time someone writes something you don't agree with online, they are being paid to do so. OMG STUDIO PLNAT! LIKE TOTALLY!

Not even close. People don't agree with you, get over it.

[Saber]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
That's right. Every time someone writes something you don't agree with online, they are being paid to do so. OMG STUDIO PLNAT! LIKE TOTALLY!

Not even close. People don't agree with you, get over it.

I’m surprise to see you write something like this when you do the same exact thing to everyone who disagrees with you; you put them down like a thread bully. I only jumped in because you used these same tactics with a couple of my posts. A little decorum is needed by posters when they are in disagreement with each other. Basically, play nice or it might bite you in the arse next time you post.

[borednow]

6.5/10

Clark can't learn anything and they changed the plot history again but otherwise an interesting episode. A bit on the soap side but hey that's Smallville for you.

[TomFanSpace]

I really loved this episode, so much interesting information was learned. ;)

[redtee]

Meh - give it 5....barely. SO far blue is the weakest ep in Season 7 for me. It just felt too stilted too forced and too 'reaching' in the plausibility stakes. How many times is Clark gonna disregard Jor-Els advice?? Ok it's his real mom he has a chance to see but using a crystal Jor-El has warned against (hey this sounds familiar) and then having bad things happen seems to me a fairly weak plotline. GG as Julian Luthor??? What the?? Ok I might be able to buy that one...but not in one episode?!!! This is something big and there should have been a lot more lead up to it.
Clark's back to moping again (at the beginning)....yawn. I thought he'd grown up by now....surely this tendency has lessened with the wiseness of age?
Clark's back to forgiving Lana....at least she virtually told him she's not good enough for him. The best scene in the whole ep was the Zor-El/Lionel scene. Which is cracked cos this is supposed to be about Clark. Ok Jor-El is going to have retribution - so that's a mildly interesting cliff act break. So yeah I wanna watch the next one. Kara has amnesia and is powerless...hohum. I still cannot get to grips with Clark being the BDA alien again with Kara's crystal in the Fortress.....this to me seemed to be the weakest!! ...bleh!
Bring on more clark centric less chloe as a plot device and more lex/lionel scenes...the next one better be an improvement on what had so far been a pretty good season...

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Saber
I’m surprise to see you write something like this when you do the same exact thing to everyone who disagrees with you

Show me a single post where I've accused anyone who disagreed with me of being a studio plant, then we can talk. I've disagreed with people who disagree with me, I've made comments on some of the really really dumb things that have been said, but I've never called anyone a studio plant, because that whole myth is just ridiculous.

[STFanatic]

Many moons ago when I was a radio DJ, I had a huge Ivy plant in the control room.
Would that be considered a "Studio Plant"?
:p

After rewatching the episode again, I did like the punch Clark gave Zor-el.

[MidgardDragon]

Yeah, that is about the only Studio Plant that exists, at least in enough numbers to actually encounter on a daily basis. I think saying "omg u r paid 2 say that" should get one banned from the internet, forever, personally.

[xrayvision]

I give this a 7 for the following reasons:

-Clark putting foreign objects in the FOS (a very, very dumb move)

-There is really no distinction between Zor-El & Zod (they both wanted to recreate Krypton on Earth)

-The use of blue-k. I think there are already enough things that cause Clark to lose his powers and this shouldn't have been another one

-The helpless way Lara & Kara were portrayed (I would think between the 2 of them, once they saw what Zor-El was doing, they could have taken him down)

It was an exciting episode, but I can't ignore these things. I won't mention anything about Grant/Julian since we don't know what will happen there. I'm looking forward to Gemini.

[MidgardDragon]

-There is really no distinction between Zor-El & Zod (they both wanted to recreate Krypton on Earth)

I did notice the whole reuse of the "Evil Kryptonians in trench coats motif". I thought that was kind of dumb until I thought about it. It appeared that Zor-El and Lara arrived in Kryptonian garb. I'm not sure what the trench coat's significance was on Krypton, but it seems to make more sense that Lexod put one on now.

[Saber]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Show me a single post where I've accused anyone who disagreed with me of being a studio plant, then we can talk. I've disagreed with people who disagree with me, I've made comments on some of the really really dumb things that have been said, but I've never called anyone a studio plant, because that whole myth is just ridiculous.
:lol: Good lord from that post that’s all you got out of it. Well that went totally over your head :rolleyes:
Enough said since you missed the point, maybe you’ll get over it.

[SuperFan85]

this was probably one of my least favorite episodes of this season, which really disappointed me. Number one, because in my opinion, the season has been great up until the episode "Wrath", and then I hoped this episode would make up for that, but instead, was of the same quality. I always look forward to episodes that introduce a new color of Kryptonite, but this episode was just all over the place. In my opinion, it had sloppy editing, which really made it not flow well. On top of that, for a second week in a row, they've pretty much wasted the character of Lionel, whose role seems to have been reduced to placing great emphasis on the rehabilitation of his injured hand. What is his storyline this season exactly? His character was pretty much in a scene and a half. Another thing that irked me was that Blue Kryptonite's function pretty much took the place of Gold Kryptonite in this episode. Clark came off as pretty idiotic in this episode, exclaiming that he needs to help his mother, when he's known for 6 years now, that she died on Krypton long ago. I understand, Clark has a deep need for family this season, but this was just handled poorly IMO. Where was Martian Manhunter in this episode? He was the one who originally explained the threat that both Zor-El and Kara posed, and here Zor-El is on Earth, about to create an eclipse that could result in the extinction of humanity, and Martian Manhunter is nowhere to be found? That would have been an awesome scene to have Clark, Martian Manhunter, Zor-El, Kara, and Lara in the fortress of Solitude. A great big reunion. IMO, There were just some really bad ideas thrown around in this episode. i.e. what Blue Kryptonite does; how wasted Lionel was (taking into consideration how few episodes remain in this season due to the strike) the Fortress of Solitude creating an eclipse? Kara being sent to Detroit? and Julian alive? This revelation was what really annoyed me. "Memoria" I consider one of the best episodes of Smallville, and I think one ofthe pivitol episodes that explains Lex's traumatic childhood. To now reveal that Julian is in fact alive, however that may be, I fear may take away some of the emotion of "Memoria". hopefully I'm wrong. Anyway, I didn't mean to present so much dislike for this episode, but those are just my thoughts. I've loved the season up until "Wrath" and this episode.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I'm finding it interesting that the episodes I love are the ones everyone else doesn't like and the ones I don't like are the ones everyone else loves!

Sure there were things not to like in this ep (once again Clark is an idiot and disregards Jor-El's warning for the billionth time. Hasn't he figured out by now that is a very bad idea?; the whole Grant=Julian retcon thing--whatever happened to Lucas Luthor, btw?; yet another thing out there that can take away Clark's powers, etc.) but there were a lot of good things too.

Like Helen Slater as Lara. A great performance and so wonderfully acted.
Clark's desperation to revive his mother and to save her. Touching and believable.
Zor-el vs. Lionel a.k.a. Jor-El's vessel.
Kara being torn between her father and her loving aunt, who she obviously greatly admires.
Chloe. (nuff said there!)

I loved it and I thought it was great and a wonderful episode to air before a break like this. Season 7 is, on the whole, really bringing the magic back (especially after a disastrous Season 6, IMO).

[TomFanSpace]

Originally posted by Welling_is_pretty
I'm finding it interesting that the episodes I love are the ones everyone else doesn't like and the ones I don't like are the ones everyone else loves!

Sure there were things not to like in this ep (once again Clark is an idiot and disregards Jor-El's warning for the billionth time. Hasn't he figured out by now that is a very bad idea?; the whole Grant=Julian retcon thing--whatever happened to Lucas Luthor, btw?; yet another thing out there that can take away Clark's powers, etc.) but there were a lot of good things too.

Like Helen Slater as Lara. A great performance and so wonderfully acted.
Clark's desperation to revive his mother and to save her. Touching and believable.
Zor-el vs. Lionel a.k.a. Jor-El's vessel.
Kara being torn between her father and her loving aunt, who she obviously greatly admires.
Chloe. (nuff said there!)

I loved it and I thought it was great and a wonderful episode to air before a break like this. Season 7 is, on the whole, really bringing the magic back (especially after a disastrous Season 6, IMO).

You definitely summed up exactly what I thought of the episode.Helen Slater was the perfect choice for Lara and she was amazing , Angelic.Also I really hope Clark does eventually figure out that Jor-El does know what he's talking about.Oh and I was thinking the same thing about Lucas to.

Talk about out of sight, out of mind.lol.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by TomFanSpace
You definitely summed up exactly what I thought of the episode.Helen Slater was the perfect choice for Lara and she was amazing , Angelic.Also I really hope Clark does eventually figure out that Jor-El does know what he's talking about.Oh and I was thinking the same thing about Lucas to.

Talk about out of sight, out of mind.lol.
Nice to see there are others who feel like I do! Thanks.

[Mello Penelo]

Blue sucked massive donkey testicles.

[Xanderman]

^ heck no, awesome episode Mello, best in a long while

Mellow out, Mellos! :lol:

[magoo]

Well it was an improvement on last week. Still only a filler episode though.

Highlight: Seeing Miss Vandervoort soaking wet *drool*

6/10

[MidgardDragon]

Mythology =/= filler and never will.

[Xanderman]

^ Lol agreed, not a filler in any way.

[magoo]

Well ok not quite a filler but almost. At least we've got a mid-season cliff-hanger.

I'm getting spoilt by the all round quality of Heroes and am becoming ever more unimpressed by Smallville...

[magoo]

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[Sweetie]

Originally posted by Darth Pipes
Zor-El was cool. Had that whole Zod vibe about him.

He had the exact same coat as Zod too ;)

I guess there was a rule on Krypton that villains had to dress with same black leather coat :lol:

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by magoo
I'm getting spoilt by the all round quality of Heroes and am becoming ever more unimpressed by Smallville...

Umm funny, I've never bothered to watch an episode of Heroes twice, and I can watch SV many times. To each it's own.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by magoo
Well ok not quite a filler but almost. At least we've got a mid-season cliff-hanger.

I'm getting spoilt by the all round quality of Heroes and am becoming ever more unimpressed by Smallville...

:\ Really, 'magoo', it IS as simple as a matter of 'Personal' taste. ;) I LOVE them Both! ...And that to which I'm Devoted to watching, I'm also Loyal to. :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I give this a 7 for the following reasons:

-The helpless way Lara & Kara were portrayed. Lara was sorta stand-by-ish except for getting the dagger out, but that's probably because she's supposed to be a peaceful person like her husband was. Kara, oth, not only tried to stab her father, but tried to stop him when the kryptonite fell off of him.


Originally posted by magoo
[B]Well ok not quite a filler but almost. At least we've got a mid-season cliff-hanger.

I'm getting spoilt by the all round quality of Heroes and am becoming ever more unimpressed by Smallville... I love Heroes, but it usually just goes for the 'wow' factor, and after seeing an episode once, I don't really care to see it again.

[Colossus]

Second Worst Episode of the entire series.
Those of you who loved it, need to getcha cake up, cuz you do not know what good writing is.
This season is shaping up to be a disaster.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
The show's never been stellar and rarely has it been amazing. But when you see dead characters (whose significance in our protagonists' lives served for great and defining character moments/arcs) comin back, you gotta know that the show's fallin apart.
They already jumped the shark when they had Lex clone Lana. But to bring back Lara, for this horrible episode? Clark not listening to Jor-El again? Plus Julian Luthor? And what's with Zor-El being exactly Zod all over again, except with a bad Matrix coat ripoff, and being a completely unrealistically and generic evil jerk? Why is it that none of the villainous characters other than Lex and Lionel (during his time), in particular those that have been from Krypton, have any depth?
"Let's depopulate the earth, so we can repopulate it again." Very original Zor-El. And lemme guess--would you like to go conquer other planets too, while we're at it?

And whatever happened to the other phantoms? Not all of those m-fers were caught. Some of them are still on the loose.

The show lost its touch a long time ago. But now, it's just insulting my intelligence.

[magoo]

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[magoo]

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[ryu-dragon]

Smallville blue episode was great i really enjoyed it,

is Kandor on Krypton???

[President_Luthor]

It was an entertaining episode, and we get some momentum on the whole theme of 'Clark's Destiny' -- which has been zig-zagging and backpedalling over the past six years. Two steps forward, four steps back.

I'm sure other viewers smirked when Clark made some comment to Lana about using common sense. If anything, the whole debacle involving Lara, Kara, Zor-El and the blue crystal demonstrates that Clark - once again - led with his heart (and left his healthy dose of skepticism up in the loft with his Chicago Manual of Style and his forgotten reporting career). He has continued to ignore, defy and reject Jor-El. After seeing what happens when he doesn't heed sound advice, he -still- barrelled ahead. No wonder Jor-El is royally ticked off at him. Dad's had it with Clark's lead-footed forced march towards his destiny, so it looks like he's going to have to dropkick him forward. And it's about time, wish it could have happened around Season 4 - but I digress (thank you, Shanghai Teague :lol: )

I didn't read the spoilers so it was a surprise that Grant is/believes he is/has been led to believe that he is: Julian Luthor. The more Luthors, the merrier ... especially if it involves further unhinging Lex and pushing him into his own dark future. GG's entanglements with Lois could lead to some friction as well with Clark, Lex and Chloe on a number of fronts. Secrets and Lies strike again!

Lana was called again on her 'dark' side, by none other than Clark's mommy. At least Lana recognizes this, so the only one putting her on a pedestal now would seem to be Clark. I smell a Clana break on the horizon, likely not before Clark and Lex have some Lana-related showdown of their own.

And to those who think that this Smallville ep. has drifted again into the soap opera arena: with Zor-El's blood feud with his brother, obsession with Lara, choosing 'duty' over his own flesh-and-blood, and Clark's own longstanding, often petty defiance of all things House of El ... well I wouldn't be too concerned. Once Victor Newman rolls into town, he'll clean up this town -- and good. Take that, LuthorCorp. LOL!

This episode gets 7.5. It could have been 8, if not for the familial angst of the El family and Clark's act first - think later plan of action.

[The silver lining: Jor-El's not putting up with Clark's foot-dragging, at long last.]

[berniepooh]

This is the first time I have voted a "10" for a SM episode; on this site on any other.

I am so glad to see the writing has become tighter and dramatic tension has returned to the storylines. I hope they can continue in this vein. FANTASTIC!

[metropolis]

Bruno Tonioli: Shocking revelations! Awe-inspiring action sequences! Eggs dipped in chocolate gold! I give it a TEN!

[jesslang]

Im kinda Losing my Love for smallville ...but idk i missed like 6 eps becuse i had marching Band and didnt evan chach when it came back so like i missed alot and now with the Wrighters strike going on what will the last ep be? this season to me im not likeing it as much .

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by jesslang
Im kinda Losing my Love for smallville ...but idk i missed like 6 eps becuse i had marching Band and didnt evan chach when it came back so like i missed alot and now with the Wrighters strike going on what will the last ep be? this season to me im not likeing it as much .

:rolleyes: Basically, you've missed most or All of season 7, so it would be more reasonable for you to allow yourself to view the 8 episodes of SMALLVILLE that Have aired before you pass any judgement. :\

So, don't sell yourself 'Short' or the series, since you May just LIKE what you'll see. So far, according to everyone who's voted on the Episode Polls, there's only been one episode so far this season that could qualify as a 'clunker'. Even that episode wasn't a total loss, since it gave us some insight into the developing relationship between Clark & Kara among 'other' relationships & 'things'. ;)

The majority of us are Still being Entertained. Since you were once a more devoted fan, take a look see before you give it up. Record it, if possible, so that you can watch it when you have the time. :)

Even with the WGA strike, the Smallville writers had anticipated the strike, so they completed 15 stories and they will all get filmed and will air. So, since they cared about their fans, we'll get to see new episodes until 'maybe' March. The last episode will be somewhat of a 'Cliffhanger' just in case the WGA strike isn't over, so it'll work until they catch us up. :D

[SmalliesMatt]

Mod Edit .i can see most of you only look for the bad in the episodes and not good anymore. this Episode ROCKED imo.alot of twists which were enlightening and i loved the whole eclipse part with the sun (it felt movie like).alot of you are only looking for faults :| i was really impressed with the episode and it had a great feel for me.i think all of u complaining Mod Edit completely cuz honestly that could be one of the best this season.it was definetely in top 3 for this season so far....! if u compare this to the episode with the LAME model chicks (now that WAS LAME!) this episode was excellent.

Go and watch OC if u want some real story line telling :| damn!

[Kalista]

I like all the episodes of this season so far, even Action. But this episode was terrible. I love TW but I actually cringed when Clark came to the FOS to confront Zor-El with the Kryptonite. The acting in that one scene was horrible, especially as he was pushing the kryptonite onto Zor-El's chest. And when he threw Zor-El on top of the "ice" you could actually see the styrofoam prop shake! The story line was ridiculous. The people who played Zor-El and Lara were guilty of bad acting as well. Sorry, but I give this episode a 1.

[Spirit Detective]

After rewatching Blue in anticipation for Persona, I have come to loath this episode. I HATED how big dumb Clark disobeyed Jor-El and decided to "save" his CLONED mother in the beginning. He was warned by Jor-El and the Martian Manhunter about the dangers of the blue crystal, yet he still acted on his own damn impulses. Did he not realize that his real mother is dead?

I really detest this clone motif in Season 7. While it may have advanced Lex's LuthorCorp schemes, it degrades certain aspects of the Superman mythos. Zor-El and his insane plot is a prime example. So the real Zor-El was okay with blowing up along with the rest of Kandor as long as his clone could rule Earth? I hate how he's madly in love with Lara. Was his wife okay with his obvious Lara-pining? Something about the motives of Zor-El simply sickens me.

I did appreciate some of the finer scenes in Blue. I liked the confrontation between Zor-El and Lionel. It's probably the closest we will see to a confrontation between Jor-El and Zor-El. I like how Zor-El mentioned "only Kal-El can remove [the blue crystal]" since the Fortress is fine-tuned to Clark. I also enjoyed the reappearance of "the key".

Some unanswered questions:
What exactly happened to Clark (yeah, he's frozen and he deserves it...but how did that happen?)
How will Smallville's Blue K affect Bizarro if it strips a kryptonian of his abilities?

[hemmy]

Only episode in season 7 I didn't like

[Mr. T]

This was one of Smallville's best episodes.

[jqedward]

I loved this episode. Clark finally got to see who his mother was. The fact that she loved him unconditionally really helped Clark's self-esteem. Honestly, though when is Clark going to begin to trust Jor-EL? The man is his father for heavens sake. He is trying to protect his son but Clark refuses to do what he asks him to do. It is for the benefit of all man kind. I think Clark is being a little too selfish during this episode. Kara should not have been punished by Jor-El because she honestly did not know her father's true motives. Kara was the one person that was loyal to her Uncle and Aunt. Just because she is Zor-El's daughter did not make her untrust worthy. She tried to stop her father from taking over the fortress. That was the only thing that Jor-El did that disappointed me. I was fine with Clark being punished for his disobedience. If I were Jor-El I would have been more than a little ticked off too at my son's constant disobedience. At least he let him go once Jor-El discovered that Bizarro was still alive.

[Twelling_SV_L0VE]

Season 7 finally arrived in Belgium. I've saw this episode today and it was great! But I don't understand the end. What happened to Clark? Did Jor-El froze him?
I guess I'll have to wait till next saturday :(

[Bane]

I'll give it a 9/10. I finally watched the episode all the way through for the first time yesterday & it was completely awesome. The actor portraying Zor-El was perfect. Cold, calculating, and definitely menacing.

[lex fan 10]

blue is a good episode :)

[Nimkong]

This episode is amazing!Liked the plot,new kryptonite and zor-el was awsome

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

After the great season 9 finale I visited some older episodes (and will visit more before season 10 rolls).

Season 7 is the least viewed season for me. It had a great premier with "Bizarro". Good sendoff to Lionel in "Descent". Green Arrow was in "Siren" wich is always nice. Tom Welling's directed "Apocalypse" was fantastic and got every character right.

In season 6 Clark declared that he wasn't going to run away from his destiny anymore. Agreed not the first time his said it but by capturing and defeating the phantoms from the phantom zone ("Combat" anyone?) and working alongside the Justice League in the amazing "Justice" you really were starting to believe it. In "Blue" however he declared he didn't care about any of this...just wanted his mom back...eh...Understandable, but the execution was so horrible.

First off it should have been Kara, not Clark, that let Zor-El and Lara out of the crystal (and even then don't make it so obviously a trap as it seemed to be here.) Second...there should not have been a blue kryptonite ring!! Not like that. I mean a ring that Clark cant get out of his finger?! What was that? To make it worse his own mother gave it to him (didn't know what it would do to Clark but it's all the same.)

Also I didnt buy that two kryptonians against one (Zor-El) would not win the two the match. Lara and Kara were so useless in this episode. Kara was an awesome character and a serious butt kicker, but here it doesn't show... Meanwhile we have Clark who tries to cut the ring off but cant...looking stupid...Seriously in Smallville's history...one of the worse plot devices to be created.

Only good scene in "Blue" was when Clark punched Zor-El and saved Lionel. Thats it!

I loved how they brought Jor-El back in S9. It was because of Tess (a side character) who let Clark's dad to return but also Zod (Zor-El 2.0 plot) with the kandorians. That one was done right. Any episode that makes the protagonist look stupid and doing awful mistakes isn't worth much to me. Then again thats why S7 is not my favourite. I don't know which is worse...Clark Kent playing football in S4 or him baying hay and not going out there making a difference like in S7...oh yeah...it's already S7...you know after S5 and S6 where he actually did the right decisions. Writers revolt (what's the word?) or not they should have made a better season and not give us this rerun of seasons 1-4 again...

Btw, like I didn't have enough reason to feel bad I got a huge trip of it when I saw Chloe hurt that Lois got a desk in the bullpen so fast. Really heartbreaking. I love Chloe and Lois but this episode really depicted Lois like a slut. Dating her editor and all. Dating a co-worker a'la Clark ain't so bad and it's in the Superman mythos so :D...But this season ruined Lois's debut in entering the Planet completely. Thank god they didn't screw it for Clark in season 8.

I don't understand how can some people like season 7 over season 8 but I guess they dont understand Superman...

[SGuthrie27]

This episode was not all that bad, really... It wasn't terribly great, either, by any means, but I liked having Lara back, as I liked her quite a bit in her first appearance, too. Zor-El was pretty cool, too, and worked as a villiainous, slick, conniving character. The introduction of blue kryptonite was an intriguing wrinkle, but I don't get why the ring wouldn't come off Clark's finger... The Grois relationship was... meh. I totally get why Chloe felt angry and hurt about what was going on with that, even if I do really believe that Grant hadn't given Lois the job just because he had the hots for her. It was a hard transition for her to take, and I think she was very nice in the way she talked to Lois through most of their conversation. Kara's "memory loss in Detroit" plot was pretty cool, and provided a neat mid-season cliffhanger, and I'll admit, I didn't know what was going to happen in the closing scene when Jor-El warned Clark that there would be a consequence for his actions. P.S. I'm not sure I quite understand how Zor-El's eclipse thingy was going to wipe out all human life on the planet, though... I'll give this episode 8 blue kryptonite warrior rings out of 10!

[jwalk3377]

Hated this episode. The main reason is this episode portrayed Lois in a slutty way. Making out with the boss on his desk (Making out with the boss in the supply closet in Gemini) is not the way I pictured the future Mrs. Clark Kent to behave. It was almost like she was using her body to get ahead at the Daily Planet. That may not be what TPTB wanted to portray but that's just my take on the whole Lois/Grant relationship. Lois is supposed to be a smart, savvy reporter but in these episodes with Lois/Grant, she is just plain dumb. Grant is using her and she is letting him. She is even carrying on the sexual relationship secretly after being told to stop by Chloe. And to top it off he's a LUTHOR.

This just degrades her past relationship with Oliver (where love was involved) and her future relationship with Clark. If TPTB wanted to give Lois another relationship after Oliver, they should have built a foundation based on love and not just sex. You'll notice that Lois and Grant never have any conversations, they just say a few lines before making out.

If you notice in these episodes (Wraith, Blue, Gemini, etc..), Lois and Clark have very little interaction and I think this is because if Clark new what was going on he would not approve which could lead to him developing a different opinion of Lois.

Even though they are currently together (Season 10), after season 7 my opinion with having a Lois and Clark relationship changed. I am continuing to watch Smallville to the bitter end to see if TPTB tie up any loose ends (Clark being called Superman instead of The Blurr, Flying, CLark wearing the Superman suit instead of a monogrammed jacket, etc...). I'm not holding my breath because I was disappointed with the way "Lost" ended.

[jwalk3377]

Are all of you on crack? This episode was terrible. Not the worst but pretty darn close.

Hardly any clark...lana has the devil inside...gabriel and lois (boring) and Gabriel is a Luthor. Oh, wait not just any luthor but THE "dead as a baby, Lex has been traumatized and institutionalized because of" JULIAN LUTHOR.

What are you kidding me? I've been watching from day one (as most of you) and this is the worst plot twist of any show ever. And I mean that 100% Why don't we just bring back Jonathan and Pete and, hell, while we're at it...Lana's dead parents.

I over looked Chloe's mom having blonde hair and then she's Linda Carter. I've overlooked alot but Julian Luthor is a hard pill to swallow.

That being said, I do want to see what happens to clark and kara. That, at least, was interesting.

I couldn't agree more. Especially, the Lois and Grant relationship. TPTB made it look like Lois is sleeping with the boss to get her foot in the door of the Daily Planet. I thought Lois was smarter than this but this business of making out with Grant in his office on his desk makes her behavior appear slutty, for lack of a better word. And he's a LUTHOR.

This cheapens her past relationship with Oliver which was based on love and her future relationship with Clark. You'll notice that with all these episodes with Lois and Grant that Lois and Clark have no interaction. This is because TPTB know that Clark would not approve and his opinion of Lois' character would definitely hinder any future romantic relationship. Clark would not desert a friend but he probably would think twice about her being his soulmate.

Lois even goes so far as to keep their relationship secret from Chloe which leads me to believe she knows its wrong. How does she possibly think it's going to end? Badly of course!! So I have no sympathy for her when it does.

[jwalk3377]

This episode was not all that bad, really... It wasn't terribly great, either, by any means, but I liked having Lara back, as I liked her quite a bit in her first appearance, too. Zor-El was pretty cool, too, and worked as a villiainous, slick, conniving character. The introduction of blue kryptonite was an intriguing wrinkle, but I don't get why the ring wouldn't come off Clark's finger... The Grois relationship was... meh. I totally get why Chloe felt angry and hurt about what was going on with that, even if I do really believe that Grant hadn't given Lois the job just because he had the hots for her. It was a hard transition for her to take, and I think she was very nice in the way she talked to Lois through most of their conversation. Kara's "memory loss in Detroit" plot was pretty cool, and provided a neat mid-season cliffhanger, and I'll admit, I didn't know what was going to happen in the closing scene when Jor-El warned Clark that there would be a consequence for his actions. P.S. I'm not sure I quite understand how Zor-El's eclipse thingy was going to wipe out all human life on the planet, though... I'll give this episode 8 blue kryptonite warrior rings out of 10!

Lois may not have been sleeping with Grant to get the Daily Planet job but as Chloe said that is the way it would appear to her co-workers and I agree with Chloe. And deep down so did Lois because she chose to keep their relationship secret even after she told Chloe she didn't care what everyone else thought. This season Lois has been made to appear slutty (ie. making out on the bosses desk, making out in the supply room, etc..) Practically, everytime we see Lois and Grant together they are making out. Whatever happened to building a relationship first, such as Lois and Oliver did in season 6?

It's going to be hard for me to believe in a future romantic relationship for Lois and Clark!!!

[jwalk3377]

After the great season 9 finale I visited some older episodes (and will visit more before season 10 rolls).

Season 7 is the least viewed season for me. It had a great premier with "Bizarro". Good sendoff to Lionel in "Descent". Green Arrow was in "Siren" wich is always nice. Tom Welling's directed "Apocalypse" was fantastic and got every character right.

In season 6 Clark declared that he wasn't going to run away from his destiny anymore. Agreed not the first time his said it but by capturing and defeating the phantoms from the phantom zone ("Combat" anyone?) and working alongside the Justice League in the amazing "Justice" you really were starting to believe it. In "Blue" however he declared he didn't care about any of this...just wanted his mom back...eh...Understandable, but the execution was so horrible.

First off it should have been Kara, not Clark, that let Zor-El and Lara out of the crystal (and even then don't make it so obviously a trap as it seemed to be here.) Second...there should not have been a blue kryptonite ring!! Not like that. I mean a ring that Clark cant get out of his finger?! What was that? To make it worse his own mother gave it to him (didn't know what it would do to Clark but it's all the same.)

Also I didnt buy that two kryptonians against one (Zor-El) would not win the two the match. Lara and Kara were so useless in this episode. Kara was an awesome character and a serious butt kicker, but here it doesn't show... Meanwhile we have Clark who tries to cut the ring off but cant...looking stupid...Seriously in Smallville's history...one of the worse plot devices to be created.

Only good scene in "Blue" was when Clark punched Zor-El and saved Lionel. Thats it!

I loved how they brought Jor-El back in S9. It was because of Tess (a side character) who let Clark's dad to return but also Zod (Zor-El 2.0 plot) with the kandorians. That one was done right. Any episode that makes the protagonist look stupid and doing awful mistakes isn't worth much to me. Then again thats why S7 is not my favourite. I don't know which is worse...Clark Kent playing football in S4 or him baying hay and not going out there making a difference like in S7...oh yeah...it's already S7...you know after S5 and S6 where he actually did the right decisions. Writers revolt (what's the word?) or not they should have made a better season and not give us this rerun of seasons 1-4 again...

Btw, like I didn't have enough reason to feel bad I got a huge trip of it when I saw Chloe hurt that Lois got a desk in the bullpen so fast. Really heartbreaking. I love Chloe and Lois but this episode really depicted Lois like a slut. Dating her editor and all. Dating a co-worker a'la Clark ain't so bad and it's in the Superman mythos so :D...But this season ruined Lois's debut in entering the Planet completely. Thank god they didn't screw it for Clark in season 8.

I don't understand how can some people like season 7 over season 8 but I guess they dont understand Superman...

I couldn't agree more about Lois' character. This season ruined her for me. I no longer feel, in this version of the Superman mythos, Lois' Lane is the soulmate of Clark Kent. I could understand her falling in love with Oliver because that relationship was developed and you don't always end up with the first person you fall in love with. But with Grant, their was no relationship development, it was simply about sex and she did this with a scheming Luthor. For a reporter, she never questioned Grant as to why her Lex Luthor stories were never published. TPTB ruined the final season (10) for me because now when Lois is with Clark I feel she doesn't deserve to be there. They might show him becoming Superman but the other part of Clark's destiny (soulmate to Lois) is phony.

TPTB should have left well enough alone. They should not have brought the Lois Lane character into Smallville. Smallville should have been about Clark Kent growing up and becoming Superman and then meeting Lois Lane at the Daily Planet. As it was because the show went on so long, Clark couldn't stay in Smallville forever. The show should have only lasted about 5 years because Seasons 6 and Season 7 were more like a Clark/Lana/Lex soap opera. If they wanted more, they should have spun off a sequel and called it Metropolis. Then they could have brought in Lois and other characters along with the Daily Planet and maybe they wouldn't have blemished the Lois Lane character.

What's really funny is, Lois has basically been ignoring Clark for about 4 Seasons and then without any buildup is suddenly in love with Clark (Season 8, EP "Committed"). I wonder if TPTB thought this was going to be the last season, so they tried to tie up some loose ends. And since they had another season they backtracked the Lois and Clark potential relationship by bringing Lana back for 5 episodes. For me, now I only watch episodes through "Bride" and the only episodes I watch after "Bride" is "Infamous, Hex, and Stiletto".

[hadezown]

That whole Grois thing is gross. No way Lois would fall for a guy more annoying than her. I'm kidding, I like Lois.

It wasn't a bad episode. I'd rather have it about Clark and a Krypton family feud than just the Clana deal. Grant and Lex's convos always came off as homoerotic, it just made me lol. Of course I was shot down in their final scene ><

[Detorio]

BLUE was one miiiiiiiint episode!
Zor-El well portrayed by the actor!

[lex fan 10]

Great Episode!!!!!