Lex's evil plan...?

[fxrsteve]

So is Lex's evil plan to save humanity?

[litew8]

Not sure it's evil, but saving humanity is on his mind.
Unfortunately, it doesn't need saving. So I think the means
he will go through turn out to be evil in the long-run.

[Coyote]

Humanity will need a lot of saving, and President Lex Luthor is just the man to do it!

[HalJordan4184]

It's not the saving humanity that is the problem. It's a couple of things involved with that.

Lex is apparently the only person qualified to determine threats to humanity, and is the only one then qualified to deal with them.

Appropriate agencies, authorities, experts, and anyone else, don't matter, because they may not agree with Lex, so as such, they are a waste of time to work with.

Lex is the only person then, that can realistically lead us, because only Lex knows the right way for humanity to progress, and anyone who disagrees is a dissenter, and desereves to be killed, lest he or she upset the world Lex wants to create.

[litew8]

^
What I said essentially, not in so many words.

[Alexander III]

He thinks he's a savior to the world, and in order to change the world he needs to sarcifice it all, for the greater good. Boy he's whacked!

[HalJordan4184]

Not all of it, just any part of it that doesn't 100% agree with him.

[Coyote]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
It's not the saving humanity that is the problem. It's a couple of things involved with that.

Lex is apparently the only person qualified to determine threats to humanity, and is the only one then qualified to deal with them.

Appropriate agencies, authorities, experts, and anyone else, don't matter, because they may not agree with Lex, so as such, they are a waste of time to work with.

Lex is the only person then, that can realistically lead us, because only Lex knows the right way for humanity to progress, and anyone who disagrees is a dissenter, and desereves to be killed, lest he or she upset the world Lex wants to create.

Yeah, now you're talking sense HalJordan. You could be Lex's presidential press secretary. President Lex will of course have to do it for the greater good! He's the man with the plan! Fox News would probably love him.

[litew8]

Just a sec, let me grab a pencil. Adding your name to Lex's list of 'People that don't agree 100%'. Got it. Thanks Coyote. Have a nice day. :)

[euterpe]

Of course, Lex is the only person on earth with an intimate knowledge of how evil these aliens are seeing as his body was taken over by the most evil one of all.

Remember most humans are completely unaware of their existence. Lex has every reason to fear their return and try to stop their evil plans. That is neither evil nor a crime.

But as HalJordan points out, it’s not the goal but the steps taken to get there that are the problem. When one tries to fight fire with fire all you end up with is a bunch of scorched land.

[CountryGirl84]

I think Lex always sees himself as the savior of the world, in other storylines too, its just that he is psychotic and twisted and what he sees as for the good of humanity in his eyes isn't necessarily for the actual good of humanity...

[nyctnafan100]

good question. i think lex's evil plan is to save humanity in his own twisted way. i think lex feels that if clark would have never come to earth none of these problems would be happening. so therefore he feels by eradicating clark that the problems disappear. sorry lex nope!

[Dor el]

^^^ what the heck? Lex knows Clark is not of this earth? Lex wants to eradicate Clark? Gee, I must have missed something.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by euterpe
Remember most humans are completely unaware of their existence. Lex has every reason to fear their return and try to stop their evil plans. That is neither evil nor a crime.

The problem here isn't that Lex wants to stop their evil plans, the problem here is that Lex wants to profit from any alien situation. He wants power, power, and power. There is nothing noble in the way Lex is going about protecting Earth, as he's tricked himself into believing.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by Dor el
^^^ what the heck? Lex knows Clark is not of this earth? Lex wants to eradicate Clark? Gee, I must have missed something.

I must have missed the same episode because this totally new for me too ;)

[denkim42]

Let me just say first, Michael Rosenbaum's portrayal of Lex is awesome. Best Lex Luthor ever.

I think Lex's obsession with the Alien's (Kryptonians) is quite natural. I think most humans would be paranoid about the aliens. His life has been directly impacted by the Aliens: Clark's first rescue, then Kara's rescue, Zod, etc, etc.

If I were Lex, and I had such resources at my disposal, I would also like to find out the truth. I don't think we can quite say Lex is ultra evil now.

What he did to Lana was horrendous and vile. All is fair in love and war. just kidding.

But everything else, 33.1, Belle Reve, Milton Fine's ship, was his attempt to put all the pieces together. He delved with the idea of creating a super army. But was it to rule the world, or save it?

We all love Clark, but don't forget that if he were evil, he would be one tough cookie to stop. Lex would probably be our only hope to save mankind.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by denkim42
Let me just say first, Michael Rosenbaum's portrayal of Lex is awesome. Best Lex Luthor ever.

I think Lex's obsession with the Alien's (Kryptonians) is quite natural. I think most humans would be paranoid about the aliens. His life has been directly impacted by the Aliens: Clark's first rescue, then Kara's rescue, Zod, etc, etc.

If I were Lex, and I had such resources at my disposal, I would also like to find out the truth. I don't think we can quite say Lex is ultra evil now.

What he did to Lana was horrendous and vile. All is fair in love and war. just kidding.

But everything else, 33.1, Belle Reve, Milton Fine's ship, was his attempt to put all the pieces together. He delved with the idea of creating a super army. But was it to rule the world, or save it?

We all love Clark, but don't forget that if he were evil, he would be one tough cookie to stop. Lex would probably be our only hope to save mankind.

I love MR's Lex when he's allowed to shine and not be held back by stupid plots like the one in Wrath.

His best performance recently came in Freak. I loved the fear he put into Dr. Bethany after he was told that the laptop was gone. And I love that ending shot with the eyes. So evil. His pimp walk at the end of Subterranean was the only good thing about that episode. And the guy was simply awesome in Onyx. After seeing that episode, I immediately thought, "this guy is the best live action Lex ever".

He's one of the only guys who can pull off being liked as Clark's friend and then being hated. You feel sorry for him for what he had to go through in Shattered & Asylum, but then you hate him for what he did to Clark in Mortal and Lana in Combat.

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by denkim42
Let me just say first, Michael Rosenbaum's portrayal of Lex is awesome. Best Lex Luthor ever.

Hands down. Best. Lex Luthor. EVER.


Originally posted by denkim42
I think Lex's obsession with the Alien's (Kryptonians) is quite natural. I think most humans would be paranoid about the aliens. His life has been directly impacted by the Aliens: Clark's first rescue, then Kara's rescue, Zod, etc, etc.

Thank you!!! I always got so frustrated when Clark would get mad at Lex for investigaing the bridge accident. Um...Hello!! I would have been trying to figure out what EXACTLY happened too!! Can anyone really blame Lex for being curious......and for that curiousity turning into obsession when that mystery remains unsolved and is compounded by many more????

Like you said...it is COMPLETELY natural.


Originally posted by xrayvision
His pimp walk at the end of Subterranean was the only good thing about that episode.

Pimp walk!! LOL Yeah....I guess it was. It definitely was one of the HOTTEST Lex moments. Just watching that scene makes me want to take Lana's place even if he would have faked my pregnancy and tried to clone me......ah well...the price you pay to touch the Magnificence known as Lex Luthor.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by SweetOne
Thank you!!! I always got so frustrated when Clark would get mad at Lex for investigaing the bridge accident. Um...Hello!! I would have been trying to figure out what EXACTLY happened too!! Can anyone really blame Lex for being curious......and for that curiousity turning into obsession when that mystery remains unsolved and is compounded by many more????

Like you said...it is COMPLETELY natural.

This is the only part I disagree with you on. I think Lex took it too far. A lot of people would be thankful they're alive and leave it at that. But because of Lex's distrust as taught to him by Lionel and his vast resources and his endless search for knowledge, he could not let it go. I could understand trying to find out up to a certain point, but he lost his best friend by doing it. I'm sure if he would have shown Clark that he was trustworthy that Clark would have opened up to him eventually.

But with Lionel's actions in season 3 and how he would not let it go and how Lex was in Lionel sights, Clark couldn't risk telling Lex and having Lionel find out.


Originally posted by SweetOne
Pimp walk!! LOL Yeah....I guess it was. It definitely was one of the HOTTEST Lex moments. Just watching that scene makes me want to take Lana's place even if he would have faked my pregnancy and tried to clone me......ah well...the price you pay to touch the Magnificence known as Lex Luthor.

What about those eyes at the end of Freak? That was awesome. He was scary as hell in that episode to Dr. Bethany.

I also liked how he said "find it, fake it" and "I want it all" in Lexmas. I love when he's allowed to be the badass he's supposed to be. Same thing with him going after Chloe at the start of season 5.

[SweetOne]

I have tried so hard to find the end scene for Freak on youtube!! Do you know of any links so that I can rewatch it??? I cannot remember the scene, and I want to see Lex's sexy evil eyes!Looking for the Freak scene led me to several videos compiled of Lex on youtube. I don't know how to provide a link to it but if you type in "Smallville-Lex Luthor-What I've Done" in youtube you can watch it. I thought it was pretty good at showing his most evil/violent scenes. It's pretty hot.

Speaking of hot....I can't figure out which episode it was when Lex kisses Lana in her apartment. She slaps his face and pushes him away from her......he runs his tongue over his lips.....mmmmm......the man KNOWS how to lick his lips....

Another scene from the "What I've Done" video that I cannot specifically remember watching is when Lex hits Lana. Lana: "Clark means more to me than you ever will." And than he totally smacks her...actually he REALLY hits her. I was impressed that he let loose on a woman like that. But I loved it and I think she deserved it!

One of my favorite Lex scenes is from back in season 3 episode 9 called Asylum (yeah I had to do a LOT of digging to figure this crap out). It was the scene between Lex and Lionel in Lex's cell.

Lionel: When your attempt to escape failed, you sabotaged my efforts to have you released, to be cared for at home.
Lex: But I told you. I'm cured. A cured patient doesn't belong in a hospital.
Lionel: Oh, it's painful to see you like this. You know I have your best interest at heart, don't you?

THIS IS THE PART I LOVE. I believe Lex gets Lionel to come closer and he whispers to him......

Lex: The only interest you have... is staying out of prison. I'm not insane, and you know it.

AHHHHH...I loved that. I was worried that he had forgotten what Lionel had done and that would mean that Lionel had won. But Lex didn't disappoint!!! After Lex says that line you can see the hard expression in Lionel's eyes.

Lex is so much badder than Lionel. Even when Lionel was at his worst Lex could be so much scarier. *sigh* I love him.

[HalJordan4184]

Originally posted by denkim42
But everything else, 33.1, Belle Reve, Milton Fine's ship, was his attempt to put all the pieces together. He delved with the idea of creating a super army. But was it to rule the world, or save it?

We all love Clark, but don't forget that if he were evil, he would be one tough cookie to stop. Lex would probably be our only hope to save mankind.

Both. Lex is out to save everything, sure. However, that's only going to be if he gets to be in charge. You'll notice he's not really working with anyone. He's totally in charge. Lex is the only one who knows who the threats are. Unfortunately, he's got most of his facts wrong. There is no invasion, because there aren't any Kryptonians left to invade anything, but Lex won't care, because he knows the truth, and no one else does. All aliens are untrustworthy, simply because they aren't him now.

So Lex is out to "save" the world. Save it from a threat that doesn't exist, and set himself up as the ruler of us all. He won't trust anyone, regardless of who deserves it, and will only be interested in "protecting" humanity, when he's the one hurting it the most.

If Clark were evil, sure, Lex would be someone we were all turning too. However, Lex does think Clark and Kara, and the Kryptonians are evil. He just doesn't realize fully, that Clark and Kara are Kryptonians. After all, he's just saving us blind humans. We've been lulled into a false sense of security, the aliens are coming to get us, and then Superman will be dictator supreme.

[MozartRequiem]

"I can't figure out which episode it was when Lex kisses Lana in her apartment. She slaps his face and pushes him away from her......"

Ah, this episode is "Onyx", from season four, when Lex is split into his good self and bad self. Classic Lex episode.

"when Lex hits Lana. Lana: "Clark means more to me than you ever will.""

This is from the season six finale "Phantom".

Hope that helps. :)

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
So Lex is out to "save" the world. Save it from a threat that doesn't exist, and set himself up as the ruler of us all. He won't trust anyone, regardless of who deserves it, and will only be interested in "protecting" humanity, when he's the one hurting it the most.

If Clark were evil, sure, Lex would be someone we were all turning too. However, Lex does think Clark and Kara, and the Kryptonians are evil. He just doesn't realize fully, that Clark and Kara are Kryptonians. After all, he's just saving us blind humans. We've been lulled into a false sense of security, the aliens are coming to get us, and then Superman will be dictator supreme.

I agree with most of this. But Lex doesn't think Clark as being evil, in fact I'm sure he can't fathom that Clark and Zod are the same type of being.

His line to Lana about Clark being different, tells me he feels Clark isn't human as well as Clark wouldn't approve of Lex/Lana's feelings. He knows Clark is very different from himself.

Your last line is funny because I really do believe that Lex would see Superman as taking Lex's rightful place. He's the one who's preparing to save us from aliens, and then Superman comes along and gains the people's trust. Plus Superman doesn't want anything in return and that would just blow Lex's mind.

[Dor el]

So, the general consensus is that Lex knows that Clark is an alien????

I missed this. When did Lex discover this? I know that Lex has some serious questions about Clark, but I need to rewatch the episode where Lex lets the viewers know that he knows about Clark. I surely missed it. Someone please help me.

I took Lex's comment to Lana about Clark being different from him and Lana was because Clark doesn't approve of dubious means of resolving problems/concerns and not because Lex feels Clark isn't human. I thought Lex was implying that he thinks Clarks is Mr. Goody-two-shoes. Now it sounds like Lex thinks Clark is evil??? (Hal Jordan says, " Lex does think Clark and Kara, and the Kryptonians are evil."). Again, someone help me understand 'cause I seriously missed something.

[All about Clark]

I think it's both. Lex clearly states in Nemesis that he believed that Clark wasn't human. And that since Clark is wounded and bleeding it's confusing what he thinks Clark to be. He clearly states that even if he's human, he has clearly been keeping things from him. So Lex feels that Clark isn't human, but has absolutely no proof and just feels it but that things keep interfering with his suspicions.

[Dor el]

I heard that in Nemesis, but I came way with the impression that Lex had to accept that Clark is human, but there is something else that Lex can't quite identify. I think the bleeding and the entrapment beneath the rocks forced Lex to see Clark as human. Human just with a little something extra. I could certainly be oversimplifying things and underestimating Lex's intelligence.

[Dannyblue1]

Throughout the episode, I couldn't help thinking, "And that's bad because...?"

I mean, Lex knows that aliens torched a whole field of cops. He's been attacked by aliens numerous times. He knows that Braniac was an alien being who was setting in motion some very bad and deadly things. He knows that Zod, an alien, took over his body and tried to do not-so-nice things to the world.

I don't think it's necessarily that Lex thinks all aliens are bad. (I do think he's at least considered that Clark might be an alien, but that's never stopped him from seeing Clark as a moral and upstanding guy.) But he knows there are some pretty bad customers out there in the cosmos. And, from what he's seen, those bad customers could be impossible for the citizens of Earth to fight off.

And it's not like Lex is the only one who knows there are bad and dangerous aliens out there. Clark knows, and has fought several of them to save lives. Chloe knows. Lana knows.

That's why when Clark said, "At least we know Lex is tracking aliens," like it's a bad thing, my response was, "And that would be bad because..."

Lex's methods suck big time. But everyone suddenly acting like Lex's belief that there are dangerous aliens out there is unfounded, or that he's somehow in the wrong for keeping an eye out for them, is pretty unbelievable. Especially when we see one of those dangerous aliens escape with ominous music playing in the background in the same episode.

[All about Clark]

What I think is funny, is many have seen these so called dangerous aliens and yet no one has started asking questions like, "what happened to them?" "who is responsible for them not being around anymore". That part even Lex seems to not even question.

You would think that if deep down he feels Clark could be an alien then he would at least ask Clark what happened to them?

[red_cape_7]

lex is especially scary b/c he totally believes in what he's doing. he thinks his way is the best even if he has to make some "difficult" choices along the way it's for the best. that kind of thinking is comparable to evil dictator's. i've always thought that part of lex's issue w/ superman is that he's jealous of his abilities and would like to have power like that to rule how he sees fit.

[Dor el]

I understand Lex's take of aliens. He has, after all, been on the receiving end of some of their deeds and has seen some of the carnage they leave in their wake. I find it ironic that Lex is trying to prepare for an evil alien invasion, when it is Lex who really has evil invasion tendencies, Even if the aliens are coming it wouldn't matter what their intentions are. Lex would battle them with everything he can come up with. I really don't think Lex yet knows that Clark is an alien. But he will find out. Superman announces it to the world. Lex will remain stuck in his thinking rut "aliens are bad and must be defeated/destroyed". :ex will experience righteous indignation when he does discover that Superman is an alien. Does he really discover that Clark is Superman the alien? I know in LnC that he did.