lana compared to delilah? i don't think so...

[lana kent 04]

comparing lana to delilah is crap. delilah was paid to betray samson and lana has never even come close to that. i know she's a different person now but she's not on that level.

[HalJordan4184]

Yes she is. It was quite the fitting reference. Delilah betrayed Samson, despite actually loving him. Lana, in her own mind, is making it so protecting Clark, might actually result in hurting him more than anyone ever could. After tonight, I could see Lana going so far as killing someone, to force Clark to take action, instead of sitting on a farm all day. After all, she is now the ends justifies the means kind of person.

[Mello Penelo]

Regardless of Delilah being paid to betray Samson or not, it's called a parallel. And a very good one.

[Khyla]

i think it's a very appropriate comparison

[thehenry89]

agreed, an excellent comparison.

[Clana4Life]

Err, HalJordan41814, what Bible are you reading? There is not reference that Delilah ever loved Samson. Actually it says that she tormented him. You must be referring to some Hollywood version on the biblical story, but there was no love there - at least not on her end. I agree with Lana Kent, Delilah was all about money. In Lana's mind, love is what was guiding her (well, love + obsession).

[paolinki25]

Who knows? Lana is so messed up right now it's hard to tell what she'll be capable of with the weird idea she's doing everything to protect Clark.

[lana kent 04]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Err, HalJordan41814, what Bible are you reading? There is not reference that Delilah ever loved Samson. Actually it says that she tormented him. You must be referring to some Hollywood version on the biblical story, but there was no love there - at least not on her end. I agree with Lana Kent, Delilah was all about money. In Lana's mind, love is what was guiding her (well, love + obsession).

exactly. and yeah, samson and delilah didn't know each other long and at all and it didn't take her long to betray him. not comparable at all.

[HalJordan4184]

Love is guiding Lana, sure, the same "love" Lex had with her.

[shy175223]

exactly. and yeah, samson and delilah didn't know each other long and at all and it didn't take her long to betray him. not comparable at all.

I myself eventhough being anti-clana actually agree.

[Clana4Life]

Well, until Lana starts experimenting on people and turning them into mutant soldiers and until Lana starts lying/drugging people regarding fake pregnancies, or until she kill someone on her wedding day and hides their body in the basement, then her "love" might be something akin to Lex's, but she's a long way from psychotic Lex.
The Delilah reference was way off the mark.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Well, until Lana starts experimenting on people and turning them into mutant soldiers and until Lana starts lying/drugging people regarding fake pregnancies, or until she kill someone on her wedding day and hides their body in the basement, then her "love" might be something akin to Lex's, but she's a long way from psychotic Lex.
The Delilah reference was way off the mark.

good point.

[thehenry89]

Except for the fact that she had somone kidnapped and latched a bear trap to their hand.

but i guess assult with a deadly weapon is fine as long as you say "i'm sorry"

[HalJordan4184]

Lana's on that path. Is she at the point of Lex, and does she have the "record" he does, no. NOT YET.

[Clana4Life]

touche, thehenry89, though I think the bear trap was that woman's idea (can't remember her name), though I concede that Lana was the mastermind behind it. Okay, Lana = 1 on the "crazy things we do for love radar". Lex = 100. She's still got a ways to go.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
touche, thehenry89, though I think the bear trap was that woman's idea (can't remember her name), though I concede that Lana was the mastermind behind it. Okay, Lana = 1 on the "crazy things we do for love radar". Lex = 100. She's still got a ways to go.

Hey, one minute your putting bear traps on peoples hands the next minute you're trying to kill you ex-husband. I think she's well on her way to being just like Lex.

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Love is guiding Lana, sure, the same "love" Lex had with her.

Interesting. If you think about it, this is the kinda of twisted love that guide Lex to fake her pregnancy and do all those crazy stuff.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Interesting. If you think about it, this is the kinda of twisted love that guide Lex to fake her pregnancy and do all those crazy stuff.

I think that might be what the writers are getting at this year. Lana is turning into lex.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Err, HalJordan41814, what Bible are you reading? There is not reference that Delilah ever loved Samson. Actually it says that she tormented him. You must be referring to some Hollywood version on the biblical story, but there was no love there - at least not on her end. I agree with Lana Kent, Delilah was all about money. In Lana's mind, love is what was guiding her (well, love + obsession).

DING-DING-DING!! plus its not like Lana was asking what his weakness is in order to betray him! she DOES love Clark unlike Delilah.
....besides ...who knu kent and luthor read much of the Bible anyways....lol

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[paolinki25]

Smallville likes to play with all this symbolic, ancient mythology aspects and parallels.

[Clana4Life]

Yeah, all the while getting the symbolism, ancient mythology, and biblical references wrong. Geez, writers, pick up a book and get it right. The bit about Isis was not complete either. They fail to mention that Isis is the one who saves Ra from himself.

[Mello Penelo]

Ok, well if you don't want to compare Lana to Delilah, compare her to Jane Fonda while visiting North Vietnam.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by lana kent 04
comparing lana to delilah is crap. delilah was paid to betray samson and lana has never even come close to that. i know she's a different person now but she's not on that level.

i totally agree. lana HAS NOT betrayed clark...just cause she is spying on lex thats not hurting clark..shes only tried to protect clark...yea she shoudn't have lied...lana really loves clark and she wouldnt betray him...

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Ok, well if you don't want to compare Lana to Delilah, compare her to Jane Fonda while visiting North Vietnam.

:lol:

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Ok, well if you don't want to compare Lana to Delilah, compare her to Jane Fonda while visiting North Vietnam.

That one is a bit more debatable the the delilah comparison.

[kp1984]

Lana not like Deliah. Deliah found out Samsons kryptonite(cutting his hair) then she got men to capture him. Those men rip his eyes out. I don't see Lana using kryptonite on Clark and getting men to capture him for money.

[Clana4Life]

Jane Fonda? Vietnam? You are going way back. Still, it's not a fair comparison to Lana.

[xrayvision]

Even though Delilah didn't cut Sampson's hair herself, she was responsible for having one of her caretakers do it. Lana pretty much de-balled Clark a long time ago into the dumb, confused, spineless moron that he is now.

What Delilah did can also be compared to how Lana had Marilyn keep Lionel hostage.

[Deana]

Demonah and Goliath from Gargoyles would be a good comparison.

She went bad trying to protect her clan if I remember correctly.

[Clana4Life]

Originally posted by Deana
Delilah and Goliath from Gargoyles would be a good comparison.

She went bad trying to protect her clan if I remember correctly.

Now that is an excellent and accurate comparison!!! :) Thanks Deana. Gargoyles was a great cartoon, though probably more appropriate for adults rather than children. Too bad it doesn't come on anymore. Wasn't there that one episode where Goliath became mortal for a day? I've got to find eps of it on Youtube now. :)

[Mello Penelo]

There was also a charm that allowed them to walk around during the day.

[HalJordan4184]

I think you mean Demona.

Regardless of Delilah's love for Samson, the point they were making, was that in Samson's love for Delilah, he excused the three or four times he was attacked after telling his "weakness", and eventually confessed the truth, only to be betrayed, because he couldn't see the truth, because of his feelings.

[Deana]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Now that is an excellent and accurate comparison!!! :) Thanks Deana. Gargoyles was a great cartoon, though probably more appropriate for adults rather than children. Too bad it doesn't come on anymore. Wasn't there that one episode where Goliath became mortal for a day? I've got to find eps of it on Youtube now. :) You're welcome. ^_^
I think it was more written for a maturer audience. I can't remember that episode. They do play reruns of Gargoyles late at night on Toon Disney.

Delilah, from the Bible, told Samson what she was up to from the beginning. Yet, he still let it happen. Lana told Clark not to write what happened off and mold her into an image that he created of her. The biblical reference, loosely has merit.

If Clark lets Lana destroy him after this obvious behavior, than the biblical reference will crush all others.

Hal, your are right. I got her name wrong. It's been so long since I have watched it.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Love is guiding Lana, sure, the same "love" Lex had with her.
which is funny that clark compared her actions/beliefs to lex in the loft at the end


Originally posted by HalJordan4184
I think you mean Demona.

Regardless of Delilah's love for Samson, the point they were making, was that in Samson's love for Delilah, he excused the three or four times he was attacked after telling his "weakness", and eventually confessed the truth, only to be betrayed, because he couldn't see the truth, because of his feelings.
which is similar to lionel/lex/lois warnings all epi that he tried to ignore,so its a good comparison for lana

[SteveS]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Err, HalJordan41814, what Bible are you reading? There is not reference that Delilah ever loved Samson. Actually it says that she tormented him. You must be referring to some Hollywood version on the biblical story, but there was no love there - at least not on her end. I agree with Lana Kent, Delilah was all about money. In Lana's mind, love is what was guiding her (well, love + obsession).

You are correct, Delilah never loved Samson, in fact, wasn't he married to her sister before her? Anyway, Delilah was a paid Philistine spy using sex, unsuccessfully until the finale time, to weaken and then betray Samson. Lana is not doing that at all.

[Clana4Life]

I don't think the Delilah comparison to Lana fits for all of the reasons I stated previously. It seems that a closer comparison might lie between Clark and Samson as HalJordan touched on, though Lana has not betrayed Clark or his secret. And Clark has not allowed her to do so time and time again. Hey may refuse to see her imperfections (as Samson did with Delilah), but I think the buck stops there.

The Gargoyle comparison is a good one.

No SteveS, Samson was never married to Delilah's sister. Your thinking of that very long Hollywood version of the biblical story.

[SteveS]

Okay, but Samson was married to a Philistine before he started 'dating' Delilah.

[svtwamedfan05]

She is the perfect person to compare Lana to. After all Clark is Samson. Like Samson, Clark is blinded by Lana's deception just like Samson was to Delilah's deception. Wake up Clark before its too late.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Deana
Demonah and Goliath from Gargoyles would be a good comparison.

She went bad trying to protect her clan if I remember correctly.

Considering Lionel had been on the wrong side of a vengeful Lana and was afraid of what she'd do with superhuman abilities, a cartoon reference might've dampened the seriousness of the matter.
However, I did find the Samson & Delilah comparison quite apt. No, Lana didn't rip Clark's eyes out, but then again there aren't too many references (historical or otherwise) of a last son of an alien world that has had an on-off relationship with the girl next door who had acquired his abilities of heat vision, strength, speed and x-ray, while fighting a bald billionaire that used to run a fertilizer plant. Analogies aren't always perfect.

I could be wrong though; I'll have a flick through my Bible later to see if anything like that is in there. :p

[Clana4Life]

A comparison between a woman who was hired for pay to find out a man's secret and turn it over to those who hired her and who did her job with no remorse cannot adequately be compared to a woman who has loved a man who lied to her the majority of their relationship and who, due to Lex's experiments on her body, is out for vengeance against Lex/Lionel for what they've done to her and Clark. This was the way that Lex tried to compare the two women. There is no synonymous ground there between the two. You can try to compare Clark to Samson, but that was not the comparison that Lex brought up and we cannot use that as evidence to help an otherwise faltering comparison. If Clark is Samson and Lana is Delilah, who is Lex? No, Lex compared Lana to Delilah and unless I'm wrong and Lana is a Philistine hungry for money who would purposefully cost a man his life for money without any sort of love factoring into the equation (excluding love of money), then I fail to see the comparison. But hey, stretch, pull, and add things to the actual story and I'm sure you can create a comparison.

[TKFlash]

I don't think she should have been compared to Delilah either, Delilah was a harlot and jezzebelle.

[LiveForever]

Lana was doing exactly what needed to be done. She was awesome! But to some she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

[Mello Penelo]

Ok! Whatever! But the fact of the matter is, whether Delilah loved Samson or not, she knew his weakness and exploited it. Lana isn't above doing the same thing.

[Clana4Life]

"Isn't above" is not the same as "doing." At this point in time, Lana has not exploited Clark's secret for money or any other reason, hence the faulty Delilah/Lana comparison. We can revisit this IF Lana ever does exploit Clark, but at this point she hasn't and I won't predict or make a comparison about something that may or may not ever happen.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Interesting. If you think about it, this is the kinda of twisted love that guide Lex to fake her pregnancy and do all those crazy stuff. Parallel that to the twisted love Zor-el had for Lara that drove him to experiment her DNA so they could rule Earth side by side. Love can mak you do crazy obsessive things :\

[LoisJoanneKent]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Yes she is. It was quite the fitting reference. Delilah betrayed Samson, despite actually loving him. Lana, in her own mind, is making it so protecting Clark, might actually result in hurting him more than anyone ever could. After tonight, I could see Lana going so far as killing someone, to force Clark to take action, instead of sitting on a farm all day. After all, she is now the ends justifies the means kind of person.

I totally agree. If there is one person (of the way too many) who will betray him, I'm sure it will be Lana.

[svtwamedfan05]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Ok! Whatever! But the fact of the matter is, whether Delilah loved Samson or not, she knew his weakness and exploited it. Lana isn't above doing the same thing.

Exactly


Originally posted by LoisJoanneKent
I totally agree. If there is one person (of the way too many) who will betray him, I'm sure it will be Lana.

I totally agree

[chantal]

Did Samson love/desire Delilah? And was Samson so blinded by his love/desire for her that he couldn't see the truth, that she was hired to sabotage, for lack of a better word, him? Maybe that was the point Lionel was trying to make, that Clark, like Samson, was too much in love to even consider that Lana could be dangerous at all, to anyone. That Clark needed to step back, get the facts, and look at Lana realistically.

Maybe he wasn't literally comparing Lana to Delilah, but rather Clark's blindness about Lana to Samson's. Which kind of was the theme of the evening. I think almost every character said a variation of that, that Clark didn't know the real Lana, or that Clark was trying to justify everything that Lana did.

[Timester]

Why some take always take the references so literal? The comparison is about betrayal, deception and blindness, that's all.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I think is a good reference and maybe some foreshadowing: Here is an excerpt about it from wiki:

Delilah or (דְּלִילָה, Standard Hebrew meaning "[One who] weakened or uprooted or impoverished" from the root dal meaning "weak or poor". Also: Dəlila, Tiberian Hebrew Dəlîlāh; Arabic Dalilah), was the "woman in the valley of Sorek" whom Samson loved, and who was his downfall, in the Hebrew Bible Book of Judges (Chapter 16). "Samson loved Delilah, she betrayed him, and, what is worse, she did it for money",
and
Delilah was approached by the Philistines, the enemies of Israel, to discover the secret of Samson's strength. Three times she asked Samson for the secret of his strength, and three times he gave her a false answer. On the fourth occasion he gave her the true reason: that he did not cut his hair in fulfillment of a vow to God; and Delilah betrayed him to his enemies

Like it shows Sansom was totally blinded to Delilah's intentions and gave her a pass everytime she did something that might harm him. I think is what Lionel was trying to say. I think that maybe Lana won't betray Clark out of money but maybe out of power Lana likes power he tasted the power of money from Lex and emblezzed 10 millions away from him before leaving him and now she has tasted the power of being invulnerable from Clark and even yelled at him for not putting it to a better use. So maybe she will be willing to betray him if she feels weak and vulnerable and like she said herself she won't apologize to going to extreme to protect the person she loves, but what will happen if that person decides not to love her back? or what will happen when the person that she loves is herself?
Interesting to say the least ;)

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I think is a good reference and maybe some foreshadowing: Here is an excerpt about it from wiki:

Delilah or (דְּלִילָה, Standard Hebrew meaning "[One who] weakened or uprooted or impoverished" from the root dal meaning "weak or poor". Also: Dəlila, Tiberian Hebrew Dəlîlāh; Arabic Dalilah), was the "woman in the valley of Sorek" whom Samson loved, and who was his downfall, in the Hebrew Bible Book of Judges (Chapter 16). "Samson loved Delilah, she betrayed him, and, what is worse, she did it for money",
and
Delilah was approached by the Philistines, the enemies of Israel, to discover the secret of Samson's strength. Three times she asked Samson for the secret of his strength, and three times he gave her a false answer. On the fourth occasion he gave her the true reason: that he did not cut his hair in fulfillment of a vow to God; and Delilah betrayed him to his enemies

Like it shows Sansom was totally blinded to Delilah's intentions and gave her a pass everytime she did something that might harm him. I think is what Lionel was trying to say. I think that maybe Lana won't betray Clark out of money but maybe out of power Lana likes power he tasted the power of money from Lex and emblezzed 10 millions away from him before leaving him and now she has tasted the power of being invulnerable from Clark and even yelled at him for not putting it to a better use. So maybe she will be willing to betray him if she feels weak and vulnerable and like she said herself she won't apologize to going to extreme to protect the person she loves, but what will happen if that person decides not to love her back? or what will happen when the person that she loves is herself?
Interesting to say the least ;)

Personally, I hope that TPTB stay away from using blatantly sexist allegory as the foundation for their stories, but since they've proven to be hacks in so many other areas, they just might.

[Dor el]

Two Biblical references in one episode. What are they trying to do? Restore the original Superman premise that Siegel and Shuster intended?

[free_emily]

The comparison doesn't have to be exact for it to be valid. Of course there are going to be some inconsistencies.

One potential future inconsistency is that Lana, for as close as she has come to the brink, actually manages to find her way back.

[M0RGAN]

I think it is an excellent reference. Lionel is just telling Clark that he should step back & take a look at the situation a little bit more clearly.

Just because Clark loves Lana does not mean it should cloak her from taking responsibility for her actions; especially if those actions could cause Clark & those that Clark cares about to be hurt.

[kryptonaidxh]

:) :rolleyes: even Deliah is better than Lana., and Clark is a stupid for apologizing her like what she did wasn´t bad.
and also the b**ch(lana) uses her excuse that she did it for "protecting the man she "loves":rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Does that include hurting inocent people like Lois? and also hurting Clark? the man she says to love, like she hited him in this episode?:rolleyes: :lol: , what an hypocrit b**ch!:p :lol:

[supergirl28]

yes, Clark trusted her, and she's turning on him, so wrong.

[dunkman]

This is a good argument. I wish I could read it all, but I should get back to work. Lana is not exactly like Delilah yet, but Lionel's point was that just because you tell someone your secret doesn't mean you can trust them, & that was an appropriate point.

[Serynarpc]

Originally posted by lana kent 04
comparing lana to delilah is crap. delilah was paid to betray samson and lana has never even come close to that. i know she's a different person now but she's not on that level.

No, your right. She chooses to betray Clark to fulfill her own desires of revenge against the Luthors.

[Humdinger]

Originally posted by chantal
Did Samson love/desire Delilah? And was Samson so blinded by his love/desire for her that he couldn't see the truth, that she was hired to sabotage, for lack of a better word, him? Maybe that was the point Lionel was trying to make, that Clark, like Samson, was too much in love to even consider that Lana could be dangerous at all, to anyone. That Clark needed to step back, get the facts, and look at Lana realistically.

Maybe he wasn't literally comparing Lana to Delilah, but rather Clark's blindness about Lana to Samson's. Which kind of was the theme of the evening. I think almost every character said a variation of that, that Clark didn't know the real Lana, or that Clark was trying to justify everything that Lana did.

Clark isn't the only blind one - look at Lex; he's still trying to get her back with a big smackeroo while she's kicking his butt! LOL, she can't take his power by cutting his hair!

[kp1984]

Lex is bald he dose'nt have hair

[abbaspice1]

Okay folks, you need to read your Bible. Deliah didn't want to do it, but the Philistines threatened her FAMILY. So calling her a harlot just proves how little about the Bible you really know. Yes there was money involved, but her driving reason was to protect others. The SAME EXCUSE Lana used.

Secondly, time after time she did the wrong thing. So did Lana: the Isis Foundation was a front, she faked her own death, her need to get revenge, holding Lionel as hostage...opps that's more than 3.

Deliah weakened Samson, so much so he fell from his destiny...as a Judge for Israel. Lana weakened Clark from his destiny.... as long as he put her first, he could never fulfill his role as a hero.