Clark and Lana: The final scene

[ClarksGal]

So? Are you satisfied with Clark's discussion with Lana at the end of the episode?

Personally, I thought it was well done. Clark would never just drop Lana altogether. He hasn't even done that to Lex. But he expressed some serious doubts about her, which he has never, ever done before. I thought his line that honesty was never a part of their relationship was a good point. And Lana took responsibility for her own actions, although she didn't apologize. I thought it was a good start. I wonder if Lana will do other crazy things, or if this is the end of her arc.

[CountryGirl84]

I think I did really like a lot of the things that were said in this whole episode. A LOT of things were revealed to characters that the audience has known for far too long. I think what depends is how much longer they drag it out for. They need to let the relationship run its natural course now and not try and stretch it out too long merely for keeping the storyline going. I agree totally that he was never going to just drop Lana in a second but they are finally having some REAL dialog. They were saying the things to each other that you would expect people to express if it was real life. As long as they keep it realistic I'll be happy enough with it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by ClarksGal
So? Are you satisfied with Clark's discussion with Lana at the end of the episode?

Personally, I thought it was well done. Clark would never just drop Lana altogether. He hasn't even done that to Lex. But he expressed some serious doubts about her, which he has never, ever done before. I thought his line that honesty was never a part of their relationship was a good point. And Lana took responsibility for her own actions, although she didn't apologize. I thought it was a good start. I wonder if Lana will do other crazy things, or if this is the end of her arc.

I think that TPTB handled it as well as they could. They clearly didn't want to end Clana but they did want to show Clark's reaction to everything that Lana did. As for this being the end of Lana's arc, I'd have to think that it will be. All of her secrets are out now. If she was still keeping a few big ones from Clark, then I can see it not being over. I just think it's kind of ridiculous to build this whole thing up yet again where Lana will lie to Clark. It would really be just playing the same events over again, IMO.

[JeLLy123]

I think that it shows how not every relationship is gonna be happy all the time but that doesnt mean the relationship is ending... they had a fight it happens...i think theyll be ok after this

[tmack09]

Originally posted by JeLLy123
I think that it shows how not every relationship is gonna be happy all the time but that doesnt mean the relationship is ending... they had a fight it happens...i think theyll be ok after this

DING!!!:D exactly!!

[operadiva]

Exactly what?..this relationship ran it course along time ago...
Al Gough is just milking it for a certain fan group..Only playing with them..that bastard..Just can go to such an extreme length to toy and fool people..
Clana soon to bite the dust..not in a good way...Enjoy..
I must commend Lana though..she did get it right when she told Clark ..all you do is hide away on a farm..Priceless..

[miks]

I loved this scene, Clark is finally coming to his senses, and the last part I was praying he wouldn't say anything when she said as long as you love me no matter what, I was thinking if he doesn't say anything this could be really close to the end of this tragedy! yay!!

[The Blue Bomber]

it was what alot of us hoped it would be even being a clana fan i thought it was done well

lana hasnt been herself the whole entire season so maybe this will be a new start
(or not)

[thehenry89]

i just hope that clark finally realises who lana really is.

[Inforcer17]

This goes along with what I have said before. Clark and Lana now have all secerts on the table so now they have there shot. This can last until the last couple eps of the season, i believe lana will relize she cant hold clark back and she is the cause of him staying so she will more on or just become friends with him if there is a season 8 and she is in it. Clark will then take notice of Ms. Lane but not start anything until after his training

[Khyla]

I'm SOOOO happy he didn't respond when she said she just needed to know he loves her .... no matter what. :)

[tmack09]

awww...Lana isn't perfect! Clark will adjust! he needs to adjust his high school view and see that people grow up and change. plus...everything is out in the open now (i think, unless Lana is hiding EVEN MORE and that would be awesome!!) so what else bad can Lana do without Clark being on her a$$ suspecting things...I think Lana is gonna calm down a bit...but i hope she doesnt, would be more interesting if she didnt :lol:

[xaosthry]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i just hope that clark finally realises who lana really is.

I think he is getting to the point. I lost count of how many times it was said to Clark that Lana isn't what he "imagines" her to be. Hell, Lana even said it herself. He built up this image of what she is supposed to be, and he is slowly realizing that she isn't it.
At the end when Lana told him he just needs to love her no matter what, the look he had said it all to me. He may love her, but the lana-blinders are slipping.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by JeLLy123
I think that it shows how not every relationship is gonna be happy all the time but that doesnt mean the relationship is ending... they had a fight it happens...i think theyll be ok after this

Well, that didn't really seem like a fight to me. It was more Clark being really, really distrurbed that Lana isn't actually the person he thought she was. That's a lot bigger than a fight. However, if Lana stops her psychotic behavior, I could see them getting past this. Clark has done some terrible things too, although he was a teenager when he did them, for the most part. Regardless, I'm interested to see where they take this. It was almost as if TPTB are admitting that Clark never really knew Lana, and that his obsession with her was completely skin deep. For the first time in a long time, I am actually interested in watching Clana to see what's going to happen there. And I agree with the previous poster who said that this was a half way realistic conversation. It was complicated, and sad, and real. I had my doubts about this episode, but I think it was very well done.

[Runestone]

I'm really glad Lana stood up for herself when Clark said his secrets made Lana the way she is. She said she had to be responsible for her own actions, and Clark had to accept that. I was also glad she mentioned the perfect image of her that Clark has in his head that isn't the reality. How long have we been saying that?

[Guidron]

I thought it was a well written scene. They both stood their ground and had valid points. I also liked how they left it without Clark responding to her statement about loving her no matter what.

[NoSupeForYou]

Clark basically said that Lana is a lot like Lex. Does that mean that he has a thing for Lex?

On a more serious note, I think they set it up for a situation where Chloe is the one who finally brings Clana to an end. She's the assasin many of us have been waiting for.

[paolinki25]

For me, the outcome of this conversation depends on how the Clana dynamic evolves during the upcoming episodes. If this conversation will be forgotten and Clark will again become blinded by Lana's perfect image, then this scene (which I thought was pretty good) is pointless.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

i think when Lana realizes that some of the extremes she went to were wrong and when she tells Clark and admits it then they will heal better. she needs to stop lying to herself. then all will be good and well with beloved CLana!

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by paolinki25
For me, the outcome of this conversation depends on how the Clana dynamic evolves during the upcoming episodes. If this conversation will be forgotten and Clark will again become blinded by Lana's perfect image, then this scene (which I thought was pretty good) is pointless.

That's true.

[jarethmc]

From day 1 of Smallville I have been a loyal Clana fan! I was loyal to the point of obsession. All I wanted was for Clark and Lana to have a small time frame where they were allowed love and some true happiness. Then the time of a bitter sweet ending would arrive, as they realized they must sacrifice their love for each other to enable Clark to pursue his true destiny. It would have broken my heart but I would be prepared and ready to watch Clark become Superman and find Lois the true and final love of his life when the time was right. Instead I was robbed. It took seven years and seven episodes and the ending scene between Clark and this imposter,Clone or what ever or who ever Lana is now. Clark was robbed, the real Lana was robbed. He cant love who she now is, he just cant. I am so totally beat by this! I would have been ready to move on the time was right, but now it looks like I just have to move on, its just so empty.

[Alexander III]

I'm glad Clark stood up like a man. That's our Superman.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i just hope that clark finally realises who lana really is.


who is she?? shes not a evil person..yea she shouldnt have lied..but she does really love clark and she has never betrayed clark...clark just need to realize lana is not perfect...and she makes mistakes...clark needs to step up and forgive lana and just be there for her..i dont think lana is a bad person..she just has been in a relationship with lex and now shes all screwed up but i think clark and lana can get past it..cause true love aint being together when things are perfect..you gotta stick wit it when things are at there lowest and i think this is that time...clark needs to show the same understanding to lana like lana has showed to him.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by paolinki25
For me, the outcome of this conversation depends on how the Clana dynamic evolves during the upcoming episodes. If this conversation will be forgotten and Clark will again become blinded by Lana's perfect image, then this scene (which I thought was pretty good) is pointless.

Simple...to the point....very true.

[OH-IO Fan]

This scene reminded me of the scene with them in TOMB when Lana tells Clark "she loves him with all her heart but she cannot talk to him anymore" or something like that and he just looks at her and cannot respond. I believe that was the beginning of the end the first time around.

[Randy G.]

I thought this scene was extremely well written. :D

[BadToad]

For me, the outcome of this conversation depends on how the Clana dynamic evolves during the upcoming episodes. If this conversation will be forgotten and Clark will again become blinded by Lana's perfect image, then this scene (which I thought was pretty good) is pointless.

Totally agree. It was a great scene (though there was one line of dialogue that made me wince). But if there isn't follow up, and this gets swept under the rug? Its a total waste.

[litew8]

Originally posted by operadiva
Exactly what?..this relationship ran it course along time ago...
Al Gough is just milking it for a certain fan group..Only playing with them..that bastard..Just can go to such an extreme length to toy and fool people..
Clana soon to bite the dust..not in a good way...Enjoy..
I must commend Lana though..she did get it right when she told Clark ..all you do is hide away on a farm..Priceless.. I thought she doesn't have a clue. Who is SHE to be passing judgement onto someone she has NO CLUE about? Do you want me to make a list of ALL OF THE THINGS Clark has done while not in a barn, and all of the lives he's saved? I think AlMiles aren't doing a good job. Maybe the writers' strike is something well deserved - deserving of the viewers that is. The only person I feel sorry for is Allison Mack - if this writers' strike prevents her from directing the episode promised to her.

[free_emily]

Given that Superman is guided by hope and unconditional compassion for all people, I think Clark will rally to Lana's side. It's easy to abandon someone when they are in need. And there are plenty of people telling Clark that's what he should do with Lana. But I don't think that's in Clark's nature. Believing the best in people is a strength, not a weakness. There's nothing wrong, imo, when Clark accepting Lana's mistakes and loving her anyway. That's part of what makes him Superman - he knows people are flawed and he fights for them and their salvation anyway.

To this day Clark hasn't completely given up on Lex. It's just that Lex hasn't made anything of the opportunity.

Maybe Lana won't make anything of the opportunity either. But thematically speaking, I don't think Lana turning evil really fits the hope and heart that the Supes mythology is grounded in.

[litew8]

...continued

The things Lana was saying to Clark about hiding in a barn - I thought that was WAY too judgemental for a girl who has NO CLUE as to the things he's (Clark) done in the past. Just goes to show SHE (Lana) is the one that is CLUELESS. Not to mention, SHE is disrespecting the upbringing that Johnathan and Martha provided. The producers are starting to essentially say, by means of other characters, that the way Clark was raised is WRONG or FLAWED. I TOTALLY DISAGREE - and so would JOR-EL and LARA - for they're the ones who decided KAL-EL's destiny to live with the KENTS. I don't know where the writers/producers are getting off DISRESPECTING Clark's upbringing in attempting to justify something obscure. I'd suspect it is at the direction of the producers - the ones that are on strike and should probably take an additional leave of absence for a prolonged period of time. TOTAL B.S.

[Spaniard]

Originally posted by free_emily
Given that Superman is guided by hope and unconditional compassion for all people...


That's true, Superman would not abandon Lana if she needed him and would forgive her if she wastruly sorry, but he also would never try to justify that kind of behavior and would never be in a romantic relationship with a woman capable of that.

The fact that he is Superman doesn't mean that he has to forget everything Lana has done and love her no matter what. He has the right to change his view/feelings about a person after something like that. In fact, it would be absolutely surrealist and stupid if his view of Lana didn't change.

[operadiva]

litew8..i don't disagree with you..i kind of find it extremely funny Lana would insult Clark about hiding out on the farm ..the very farm Clark allowed her to stay on..Mae Lemonade ..bake apple pie..pancakes...And not to mention Having sex with Pa kent's bed..I guess it wasn't beneath her at that time...
She might want to move back to Lex's mansion where he had her living like queen.Since she is so unhappy with her accommodations....i guess she got acustomed to be servants..and lifestyle..OOps..

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Wassup folks i'd just thought i'd throw in a spoiler that Clark will in either the next episode or the one after be "feeling so happy that he could fly".

I'm going to hazzard a guess that three quarters of that conversation have been swpet under the carpet.

[operadiva]

clark like i said before..is clueless..he probably didn't even get it in Wrath that Lana is a no good two timing hussy..Hell he looked confused when Lionel was talking to him..humm..someone should have stayed in College..

[Marc_MLarCk]

As all others episodes of 7th season, this one is wonderfull and particulary important for "Clana" future.

If you take time to watch again the 6 others seasons in a short time just to keep in mind the all story, you will discover that this show grows up with greatest coherences...

One of them is the TRUE love Clark/Lana, one to each other, thru 6 seasons : in spite of so many difficulties and life misadventures, Clark never left his love for Lana, and Lana ever returns to Clark because he is the only one for her !

Such a love can't end like that... "Clana" is a mythologic great love (like Romeo and Juliet, Tristan and Iseult, an so on...).

So there is an extraordinary secret in this relationship that will be revealed at the end of the show...

FSFMMT20YO
(A French Smallville Fan much more than 20 years old...)

[clana4everfan2]

For all the evil things Lex has done Clark wouldn't totally drop him or let him die. So he is now viewing Lana differently in that he can't fully trust her and is unsure what will happen with them. But that's good because you have to give him a break a bit.. I mean Lex has done so many bad things and hurt many people. He was right that they would not have known if it weren't for Lana he would have thought Lex had started to turn over a new leaf. Funny since he is still tracking kryptonians... and getting too involved with Kara..

[operadiva]

Lana ain't no Juliet...I think Lex banged her no ..now calrk is banging her..juliet only had romeo..Big difference..Don't insult juliet like that..

[free_emily]

Originally posted by Spaniard
That's true, Superman would not abandon Lana if she needed him and would forgive her if she wastruly sorry, but he also would never try to justify that kind of behavior and would never be in a romantic relationship with a woman capable of that.

The fact that he is Superman doesn't mean that he has to forget everything Lana has done and love her no matter what. He has the right to change his view/feelings about a person after something like that. In fact, it would be absolutely surrealist and stupid if his view of Lana didn't change.
Forgiving Lana doesn't equate to justifying her actions. A person can do the absolute wrong thing and still be worthy of forgiveness and supported in their search for redemption.

I don't think it's clear that the writers have redemption in mind for Lana, but thematically, it makes sense because it shows the strength of having faith in someone, in believing that their best will triumph over their worst. And ultimately I think that's what drives Superman - he's supporting humans in their efforts to overcome and their worst and be reliant on their best.

One of things that I think may have been set up in this episode is a conflict between Clark and Chloe. Not a vicious blow out by any means, just a distinction. And opportunity to demonstrate an area where Superman really outshines his human counterparts - unconditional support.

Chloe, imo, was right to call Lana out. Although there's also some irony there given how Chloe has used her computer skills to spy on people and support Oliver's efforts to steal from Lex and blow up Lex's operation. To me this is just another example of the thin line between good and evil. Were the motives and methods really that different? Different, yes. But that different? I'd say no. And that's the point. Good an evil isn't always black and white. Good people do bad things. Good intentions can be fostered through questionable methods, that sort of thing.

Anyway, Chloe, right on for calling out the duality of Isis and the dangerous edge Lana is teetering on. But the difference between Chloe and Clark is that it looks like Chloe is ready to abandon Lana to the underworld. Which I also find understandable. Human. Imperfect. And different from Clark/Superman who never gives up on people.

I can see people like Lionel and Chloe understandably cautioning Clark against trusting Lana because it is the safest course but I think this will only strengthen Clark's resolve to support Lana.

Lex talked about how obsession outlasts everything. But to be, obsession is the something that only takes root in the absence of love. Obsession is a form of despair. I don't think the future Superman will abandon anyone, Lana or otherwise, to despair.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by free_emily
And opportunity to demonstrate an area where Superman really outshines his human counterparts - unconditional support.

But Chloe does support unconditionally. She supports Clark unconditionally.

[Marc_MLarCk]

The fact is that a very little number of person seems to take the mesure of how much Lana suffered during the all six seasons because of Clark, and particularly in last epidodes of 6th. How she discovered the evilness of Lex... And how she sacrificed herself for him by marrying Lex...and all what happened after...

Such events of course change her... At the end of "Wrath", Clark begins to understand this thing... and take the mesure of the consequences of what he done by pushing away Lana out of his love in others seasons. This can only increase his love for Lana now...

[operadiva]

I would say an increase of love...Clark is at best..Clueless..and Lana needs to stop blaming others for **** that happened to her..Yea...you whacked Lionel w/a shovel.. you failed to mention that incident to Clark in the barn..but that is ok.....i going to go whack my mother on the head with a pot spoon.. for all the things she has said to me today..i am justified.....No?...

[free_emily]

Originally posted by Dustmite
But Chloe does support unconditionally. She supports Clark unconditionally.
Sure. Don't you have people you support unconditionally and people whom you won't support unconditionally? Chloe, a relatively normal human, has people she will support unconditionally - Clark - and people she won't support unconditionally - Lana.

Part of the reason, I think, that Lana has to go so far down the wrong path is to show just how compassionate Clark can be. When others are willing to abandon Lana to her darkness, Clark will stand by her.

Superman has been said to have certain Jesus Christ like qualities, among them his willingness to forgive all sinners and help them seek salvation. Superman, like Christ, goes above and beyond the level of forgiveness most normal humans are willing/able to provide one another. Chloe isn't Christ-like. I don't think she'll be sharing Clark's devotion to redemption. That doesn't make Chloe wrong. To me, her reaction to Lana is perfectly reasonable. But Clark, the metaphorical shepherd, doesn't leave the weak, vulnerable members of the flock to be separated from the flock and devoured by the wolf.

Christ's love is said to help people heal. It offers sanctuary and strength and a path towards righteous living, for all who ask forgiveness.

Clark's faith in Lana's (and mankinds) goodness trumping her darkness potentially makes him vulnerable. But it is his willingness to sacrifice his own security in the name of hope that makes him a selfless hero to the world.

[operadiva]

Yea but Clark is not Christ..And Lana ain't no Mary..last time i read the Bible..Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus..Please don't insult Mary like that..
And Lana..well..she rotates between Lex and Clark..need i say more..

What would Christ say to Lana ?
Where is your wedding ring?

And who is this Clark fellow..
Lana to Christ...Someone who is banging the crap out of me...
Jesus..you husband..
Lana..NO..my husband's best friend..
Jesus..Repent you hussy..

Lana say's..what?
He is just Clark..

it's not my fault..

[free_emily]

Lana isn't meant to be Mary in the metaphor. She's any average member of God's flock who is subject to folly. And while Clark is not Christ, he is on a journey to becoming Superman and Superman does share traits with Christ - an outsider who uses his gifts to redeem a flawed mankind.

It's a metaphor. It's doesn't have to be exact to be valid.

[operadiva]

So if it is a metaphor that Clark is Christ..
Who is Lana?

Oh.. so you are saying that she is not accountable for her own actions ..i like that kind of religion..it sounds like crap to me..

[Twitch]

Originally posted by operadiva
Oh.. so you are saying that she is not accountable for her own actions ..i like that kind of religion..it sounds like crap to me..
She didn't say anything like that, maybe you should read her posts again.

[free_emily]

Originally posted by operadiva
So if it is a metaphor that Clark is Christ..
Who is Lana?
As I plainly stated, Lana is an average of member of God's flock, subject to her own human weakness and worthy of God's love and forgiveness.


Oh.. so you are saying that she is not accountable for her own actions ..i like that kind of religion..it sounds like crap to me..
Since when does Christ not ask for accountability? Christ doesn't say, "come to me, ask for my forgiveness and we'll just pretend it didn't happen." Christ's promise is for forgiveness, but you have to earn your own salvation.

I think this poem is a nice reflection:

“Footprints in the Sand” (Margaret Fishback Powers)

One night I dreamed a dream.
I was walking along the beach with my Lord. Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life. For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand, one belonging to me and one to my Lord.

When the last scene of my life shot before me I looked back at the footprints in the sand. There was only one set of footprints. I realized that this was at the lowest and saddest times of my life. This always bothered me and I questioned the Lord about my dilemma.

“Lord, You told me when I decided to follow You, You would walk and talk with me all the way. But I’m aware that during the most troublesome times of my life there is only one set of footprints. I just don’t understand why, when I need You most, You leave me.”

He whispered, “My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you.”

Superman doesn't abandon people when they hit their lowest lows. He carries humanity when need be, helping provide the strength and resolution humans need to overcome their own weaknesses.

When a human hits their low point is when they are most in need of support, not least in need of support.

Ultimately, this isn't really about Lana. Clark would do the same for anyone in their darkest hour. As would Christ.

[litew8]

Clark is NOT a God, nor a son of a God.
Therefore, neither are his intentions.
Nor would a metaphor be appropriate.
- - - - - -
I see the (good) points you are making free_emily, in contrast, regarding Clark's character - but he's no different than a human. He may have higher morals and values due (in part) to his uniqueness, but the reason why he was chosen to be raised with Jonathan and Martha Kent confirms his morals and values stem from that upbringing. Even in the movies, Jor-El teaches Clark that they are "not Gods".

[chantal]

Originally posted by free_emily
Superman has been said to have certain Jesus Christ like qualities, among them his willingness to forgive all sinners and help them seek salvation. Superman, like Christ, goes above and beyond the level of forgiveness most normal humans are willing/able to provide one another.


But doesn't "go and SIN NO MORE" come after the forgiveness part? Isn't the forgiveness conditional on the sinner STOPPING the sinful actions? And if the sinner doesn't stop, doesn't he end up in Heck?

No, Clark shouldn't give Lana UNCONDITIONAL support. He should only give her support on the condition that she stops trying to murder people in cold blood, stops attacking people (Lois and Clark) who are only trying to stop her from attacking people, stops being indifferent to the collateral damage from her actions (Marilyn and Cancer Guy), and, basically, stops acting like a criminal.

It certainly seems like he will only forgive Lex if Lex gives up his evil ways.

[TampaVille]

The key part of "Superman" is "man." Superman/Clark Kent is a person. That is why he is interesting.

[litew8]

Originally posted by operadiva
litew8..i don't disagree with you..i kind of find it extremely funny Lana would insult Clark about hiding out on the farm ..the very farm Clark allowed her to stay on..Mae Lemonade ..bake apple pie..pancakes...And not to mention Having sex with Pa kent's bed..I guess it wasn't beneath her at that time...
She might want to move back to Lex's mansion where he had her living like queen.Since she is so unhappy with her accommodations....i guess she got acustomed to be servants..and lifestyle..OOps..

:cool:
One word to describe the producers: HYPoCRITICAL

[Angelina2809]

This was a sad and emotionaly moment between Clark and Lana!
Lana was so sad and she was afraid that she will loose Clark forever.
Lana kidnapped Lionel because she wanted to protect Clark's life!
Yes, Lana crossed a bad line but also Clark had done the same sometimes to protect the people he loves!
Lana was angry because of Lex and what he had done.
Lana lost her parents, Whitney, her aunti moved away.... Lana was afraid to loose Cark too.
She want Clark not matter what this would mean or no matter what she must do to keep him in her life!
When you find the true love and the person who is the right one than you do everything to keep and protect this love and this person!
It is Lana's fears of loosing people in her life - she still have these fears!
Maybe Clark is also right as he told Lana that (NO TRUST) is a part of their relationship!
He loves Lana, oh god he loves her so deeply and it must be hard for him!!!!

It was the first time that Lana had these powers! She must lern it!
When you hate a person and when you see that this person hurt the people you love. Lex had hurt Clark, Chloe, Lois.....
And than you have the power to stop it.....
I do not say that I would kill Lex because that is not the way to change things or protect people.
Lana's hate was bigger than her mind!
Clark was in a situation like this once too.
Remember as Alicia died?
Clark wanted to kill her killer and than Lois camed in.....
And as Clark found out that Lionel called Jonathan right before he died.... Clark was full of anger and also as he found out that Lionel black mail Lana to marrie Lex or as Clark thought Lex killed Lana in Phantom.
I now Clark is not a killer but Lana had done these things because she loves Clark.
And she saw her mistakes she had done!

[tmack09]

Well done Angelina2809 very well done!! I dont care about any negative comments that may come at ur posts (cause you know there are going to be some, since ur posts was basically Lana/Clana PRO) but you were right on the money! ;)

Lana did what she felt she had to do, they may have not been good choices but....everyone is entitled to their moments of bad choices for a good cause (saving the people they love). It's what she does now, that she knows people know whats up, that will truely determin who or what she is!

somebody just get Lana some therapy and she will be fiiiine! she needs to just sit on a comfy couch and just unleash everything (from the FIRST meteor shower to NOW) to a stranger...she now has the money to pay him however much a hour :)

[free_emily]

Originally posted by litew8
Clark is NOT a God, nor a son of a God.
Therefore, neither are his intentions.
Nor would a metaphor be appropriate.
- - - - - -
I see the (good) points you are making free_emily, in contrast, regarding Clark's character - but he's no different than a human. He may have higher morals and values due (in part) to his uniqueness, but the reason why he was chosen to be raised with Jonathan and Martha Kent confirms his morals and values stem from that upbringing. Even in the movies, Jor-El teaches Clark that they are "not Gods".
You may choose not to believe it, but the Superman as a Christ-like savior metaphor has been around for decades. It doesn't mean Clark is a God nor the son of God. Do some people not understand what a metaphor is?


No, Clark shouldn't give Lana UNCONDITIONAL support. He should only give her support on the condition that she stops trying to murder people in cold blood, stops attacking people (Lois and Clark) who are only trying to stop her from attacking people, stops being indifferent to the collateral damage from her actions (Marilyn and Cancer Guy), and, basically, stops acting like a criminal.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe the support should be unconditional. It is the greatest tool you can give a person who is on the brink of despair. Lana has asked for forgiveness from Clark. He should give it, unconditionally. But Lana has to earn her own salvation. The point is that Clark's unconditional support helps to provide her strength and redemption as she seeks redemption.

As the biblical metaphor goes, all of god's flock is worthy of forgiveness and shepherding through their darkest times. What they choose to do with it is up to them.

Part of what made Christ a unique figure is that he was willing to make himself vulnerable in service of his flock. This is a tremendously self-sacrificing ideal. To say that you will risk yourself in service of another is something not many people would do and yet it is an act of such love and devotion that it can empower the sinner to overcome their weakest desires. There are no conditions upon which forgiveness is based. And if the sinner continues to sin and Christ is hurt by sinners failure to redeem him/herself? It's a price Christ is willing to pay because the opportunity that unconditional forgiveness provides to the sinner is more important than the potential harm of failure down the road.

[tmack09]

^^ ::applause:: ;)

[ClarksGal]

free_emily is not the first one to say that Superman's appeal may be linked to an underlying allusion to Jesus. This is a long standing literary analysis about how the story of Superman mirrors the story of Jesus. There are books and documentaries on the subject. I don't think that free-emily was intending to imply that Superman is Jesus, or should be worshiped or anything. I believe she was just analyzing this scene in the context of the Superman-Jesus literary theories.

[litew8]

^
Which you shouldn't do.

[Humdinger]

Originally posted by NoSupeForYou
Clark basically said that Lana is a lot like Lex. Does that mean that he has a thing for Lex?

On a more serious note, I think they set it up for a situation where Chloe is the one who finally brings Clana to an end. She's the assasin many of us have been waiting for.

I like this theory. Yay, Chloe!

[LoveHurts38]

Originally posted by miks
I loved this scene, Clark is finally coming to his senses, and the last part I was praying he wouldn't say anything when she said as long as you love me no matter what, I was thinking if he doesn't say anything this could be really close to the end of this tragedy! yay!!

That's how I saw it to... when she was saying her I luv u spill I was like please Clark do not respond back;)

[CountryGirl84]

I find it interesting that for the most part both Clana and non Clana fans seem to be fairly happy with this scene. How did the writers actually pull that off...Its like a Christmas miracle or something... or is a reference to Christmas going to get people's feathers ruffled too? Last time I checked it was a VERY common thing to compare literary works of every kind to religious ideology. Religion or at the very least spirituality is entwined with humanity. Its natural for it to also then be entwined with our creative endeavors. People SHOULD thus be perfectly allowed to discuss the parallels, in fact its more than appropriate to.

[BadToad]

I believe the support should be unconditional. It is the greatest tool you can give a person who is on the brink of despair.

Then again, it can also be called enabling, and whether one believes Lana is on the brink of despair is definitely a matter of personal opinion.


Lana has asked for forgiveness from Clark.

She did? For anything besides the fact she lied and got caught? I must've missed that.

Personally, IMO, and keeping the story in the confines of Smallville, I think there's been far too much time spent on giving Clark feet of clay to really apply the Christ metaphor. Perhaps that works better for comics Clark, in all his accepted identity and destiny. Our Clark on Smallville has been shown to be a kind and forgiving guy, but not without his boundaries and limits. And we've seen that many times, most notably in regards to Lex. To have him suddenly become Christ-like in his divine forgiveness specifically in an attempt to wipe the slate clean for Lana seems contrived.

I love Clark, and he's my favorite character by far. But Christ-like on this show is something he has not been.

[Sweetie]

I'm just happy that Clark finally sees Lana with different eyes.He will stop to be so naive about her.

[litew8]

Originally posted by CountryGirl84
I find it interesting that for the most part both Clana and non Clana fans seem to be fairly happy with this scene. How did the writers actually pull that off...Its like a Christmas miracle or something... or is a reference to Christmas going to get people's feathers ruffled too? Last time I checked it was a VERY common thing to compare literary works of every kind to religious ideology. Religion or at the very least spirituality is entwined with humanity. Its natural for it to also then be entwined with our creative endeavors. People SHOULD thus be perfectly allowed to discuss the parallels, in fact its more than appropriate to. No ruffled feathers here. I was just saying (before) that you cannot compare Clark (Superman) to Christ. Clark may not be from Earth, but he is everything a human represents (essentially). A sinner. That's what the show is outlining. He is FAR from perfect. How Clark deals with human behavior, emotion, situations, etc.... He was raised by a human family (Johnathan and Martha Kent) to have human equalities (not alien, not Kal-El, and definetly not Christ). Attempting to compare Clark to Christ is a big no no, even if it has been practiced by some (as you commented). Even if, as you say, they are "entwined" with humanity. You shouldn't compare them, because in all actuality, there is no comparison to be made. The Bible even makes mention of this. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

[kryptonaidxh]

:o :rolleyes: the last scene of Clana...:\ well, I only say:

Just Another Clana LOFT scene.:\ :rolleyes: :o , it sucked!, I turned to TV when I saw that scene coming, I´m sick of the same picture every damn episode, even the most part od the episode was terrible, and also watch another tourtuose CLANA LOFT awful scene? No thanks!:p

[free_emily]

Originally posted by BadToad

I love Clark, and he's my favorite character by far. But Christ-like on this show is something he has not been.

If Clark is going to be come the comic book Superman he is going to have to evolve. So, yes, to this point, he has not been Christ-like. And he can't be Christ-like until he makes changes. Here's an opportunity for change.

Stop idealizing. Start providing unconditional support.

[BadToad]

If Clark is going to be come the comic book Superman he is going to have to evolve. So, yes, to this point, he has not been Christ-like. And he can't be Christ-like until he makes changes. Here's an opportunity for change.

And who is to say that he'll ever be Christ-like on this show? Personally, Superman as Christ is a metaphor, but I'm willing to bet its not universally accepted. I'm sure there are many interpretations and ways to read the source material. This is one possible way, but not the only one. I know that I am personally not comfortable with the Christ analogy.


Stop idealizing. Start providing unconditional support.

But unconditional support should not mean turning a blind eye, or lacking all sense of right from wrong. And since Lana didn't seem to be apologizing for her actions (in fact, she says she ISN'T going to apologize for what she did to Lionel), I'd say offering unconditional support under those circumstances is not the wisest course of action.

[ginnyfan]

I was glad to see Lana take responsibility for her actions and not be able to turn the conversation around to Clark's behavior and Clark's secrets.

I was sad to see Clark try and take the blame for EVERYTHING yet again but was glad to see him looking at Lana with disillusioned eyes. He seems to get that Lana isn't who he thought she was, but he still doesn't seem to realize that he can decide not to be with her. He seems to think that maybe he deserves the new evil Lana for a girlfriend.

Lana didn't seem to expect much relationship wise. It seemed that she just needed to know, whether they are together or not. That Clark loved her (rather than hated her).

I'll have to see the NEXT Clana scene to decide whether or not I'm satisfied. This episode really scratched a serious itch I had and showed everyone calling Lana on her crap. FINALLY!!! For now I'm content.

The next Clana scene could take 12 steps back by featuring Lana in a pink blouse arranging flowers, pouring Lemonade and Clark proposing... or something. LOL!

[Dor el]

As long as Clarks claims responsibility for everything Lana has done and for the person she has become, he will feel an obligation to her whether or not he stays in love with her or falls out of love with her. That obligation will dictate how Clark responds to Lana.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Angelina2809
Lana kidnapped Lionel because she wanted to protect Clark's life!

In watching this show I really don't believe this to be true. Lana was out for revenge pure and simple. Lionel made her marry his monster son. Lana had it in for Lionel as well, but it was much safer for her to tell Clark she did it for his protection.

[CDLBLUE]

It was a turning point in both of their lives, a quantum leap in maturity for them both, Lana for once, has accepted some, if not all responsibility for her conduct and actions, Clark for the first time has truly seen Lana, not the fantasy of his imagination, but as a very flawed, very troubled human being, his great compassion will help back to her better self, but his love will never be the same as he grows to realize that he was in love with a vision that never existed, a chimera of his dreams. To be able to let go of the illusions of youth , and better understand the caprice of human nature and life, it is yet one more step to destiny and legend,

[Dor el]

Funny you would use the word 'chimera'. Foolish fantasy or mutant monster?

[CDLBLUE]

In Lana case it is both.

[kentfamily]

I would like to know why she still had this thing where she thinks Lionel will hurt Clark. She did find out that he was protecting Clark in Season 6, the episode where Lex and Clark was trapped underground.

I guess she was just seeking revenge on both the Luthors. I dont think Lana is evil. She is so messed up in the head by the Luthors. She hasnt hurt anybody else has she?
It was not Lana who killed Jason's mother, it was Isobel who was still possessing Lana's body. She even said she wanted to call the police when EVIL Lex said "No".

Remember when Lionel offered an exchange for Lana's freedom. He was willing to give Lex the stone. So was that Lionel's way of protecting Lana? or was it to use her?

So she had PLENTY of reasons to hurt and even kill the Luthor's. Evil? I dont think she is. Its revenge.

I am glad Lana stepped up and reminded Clark about her taking resposibility for her actions and that she is not that perfect person that he made up in his mind. She had said this once before in the earlier seasons. He keeps putting her on a pedestal, which is sad because I think that is why their relationship never worked.

She is definitely a darker person due to the mistreatment of Lex during her marriage to him. I just dont understand Lex, he claimed he loves her but yet he did all these evil things to her?

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by kentfamily
She is definitely a darker person due to the mistreatment of Lex during her marriage to him. I just dont understand Lex, he claimed he loves her but yet he did all these evil things to her?

I think Lex knew that Lana would return to Clark. That is the reason for the fake baby. And he knew he had to end that as soon as they were married.

I'm thinking that Lex cloned her for the same reason, that one day she would either return to Clark or would die such as in Lexmas. Anyway you look at it, Clark is still a factor in Lex not getting what he wants. Which is funny, because he was willing to gamble on Clark over Mxy, but isn't smart enough to realize he wouldn't win Lana's heart as long as Clark was around.

Personally I think that's why Lex wanted Lana to be like him. I actually think he wanted to make Lana darker so she and Clark wouldn't be together. I mean he has been a mastermind so far in getting Lana to doubt Clark, meanwhile form a secret bond with her over the ship, throw Simone in there to really disturb their world, have Lana running to Lex with her disappointment, Lex telling her little truths so she would think Lex is more honest with her than Clark. Then the baby and the marriage. You have to admit he played her famously.

[litew8]

^
The thing I never relate to is when people attempt to justify Lex's actions by reflecting to Lexmas. I don't see any connection there - other than the fact that afterwards, Lex said that his vision was even more clear. That's when he decided to run for office. Lex's dreams may have some importance, but I personally don't think he's doing things in real life because of certain things he dreamt about. Like cloning Lana because she died in Lexmas. To me, that doesn't line up with Lex's ongoing projects and developments.

[All about Clark]

^Well, I'd have to ask then why do you think Lex cloned Lana. I've stated my best guess, but what reason do you have that would suggest my 2 best guesses are wrong.

[litew8]

^
I didn't suggest that your 2 best guesses were wrong.
I just said that I personally don't see it that way.
Aside from that, you're now asking me why I think Lex cloned Lana.
I've always considered it a something Lex did after achieving certain development goals. Cloning her being a First Functional Product of Lex Luthor's Developments. Which is why I find it VERY hard to believe that the clone wasn't alive as Lex said.

[All about Clark]

You still didn't answer, why Lana in particular, why not just start with Julian?