Lana cannot have Clark's abilities

[galatians221]

Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.

[paolinki25]

I know. I think it's become extremely ridiculous how Clark can pass his powers to everybody on Smallville. It's like if he were infected with the Kryptonian cooties or something. :lol: Sometimes, I believe AlMiles have never read a Superman comic book in their lives.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.

Let's see, in all of comics and TV history we've had Superman's powers transferred multiple times. In the comics and on TV it's been Lois before, and the one creepy Southern guy on LnC. On TV it's been Jonathon and the kid from Season 1, and now Lana. It's not uncommon and whether it is "logical" or not it is flat-out a part of the mythos that his powers can be transferred, spanning many different incarnations.

[mctor]

Im pretty sure that in the comics Lana had Clarks powers at one time

[paolinki25]

Seriously? I don't know. For me it's kind of silly how frequent people get Clark's powers.

[MidgardDragon]

Might be silly, but there's comics and mythos basis for it, so if you buy into Superman and the mythos, then it's a part of what you're here for.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Sometimes, I believe AlMiles have never read a Superman comic book in their lives.

The fact they were able to do a throw back to a silverage storyline with Lana back in season four with Isobel I would say they know more then most fans.

Because a handful of fans (anits) where complaining about that storyline not realizing it was an actual canon storyline from back in the day when Clark/Lana were in Smallville!

People only scream "it's not following the mythos" or "that's not canon" in regards to Smallville whenever they aren't getting their way with a storyline.

[paolinki25]

What? That witch storyline with Lana was actually part of the comics? :confused: Omg...I'm speechless. lol

[Dee]

You believe in Aliens with Superpowers and that they can be as good-looking as TW. Yet you have difficulting accepting, Clark can't transfer his powers to others....huh?

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by paolinki25
What? That witch storyline with Lana was actually part of the comics? :confused: Omg...I'm speechless. lol

There were storylines in the comics that Lana would become powerful with all kinds of different spells and potions she would make. There's one issue that I remember where she ended becoming as powerful as Clark with a potion she made that bathed in. Same issue she ends up using that power to help Clark fight brainiac who had taken over Lex's body.

There's a throw back to it in this scan, Lana makes a comment about all those years of playing with spells and potions has made her immortal:

http://lana-clark.net/comic/GenerationsFull1.jpg

So Isobel/Lana with all her spells and potions wasn't an idea Almiles thought up first, total throw back.

[paolinki25]

Well, that's quite a surprise. That witch storyline was the suckiest thing I've seen on TV.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Well, that's quite a surprise. That witch storyline was the suckiest thing I've seen on TV.

Doesn't surprise me you feel that way. :\

[paolinki25]

LOL. No, I mean. It's not because of Lana. It's just the whole storyline with Jason and all was a complete nonsense. The only good thing that came out of that season was the FOS.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Clark/Supes didn't look that hot in that scan...wow.

[CLSmith]

Forgot about Jeremiah in Talisman.

Lois Lane also had Superman's powers in an issue of the comics as well.

In Action Comics #156 in the year of 1951.

-cs™

[chantal]

At least with Jonathan, they showed that having superpowers had a debilitating effect on a human body. Do you suppose Lana will have any after effects? For which Clark will blame himself!

[curiosity]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.

I agree with you, but at lease they make them damaging to human physiology, which is more believable. And also, on Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of Superman and Smallville also, humans can't keep them, they fade away after awhile.

[dh1031]

Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.And yet it has been done in numerous other tellings of the story of Clark Kent, and it has been a successful plot device. In addition, (and thankfully so) this program does NOT have to conform to the often referred to "mythos". :)


on Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of Superman and Smallville also, humans can't keep them, they fade away after awhile. Actually, in Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of Superman those that had Clark's abilities transferred to them only lost them when they were struck by lightening or laser they were hit with to begin with. The same has applied in Smallville, Eric Summers had Clark's abilities until Clark used the cables from the power station and the meteor rock to get his abilities back. Even when Jor-El granted Johnathan the abilities of a Kryptonian, he kept them until his task he and Jor-El agreed on was completed - bringing Clark back home. Although in Johnathan's case, Clark's abilities were not transferred from Clark to Johnathan. :)

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.

Lionel got Clark's powers. Pa Kent got Kryptonian powers. That Jeremiah indian guy got Kryptonian powers when he touched a knife. Eric Summers got Clark's powers - twice. Right or wrong, there is more than enough precedent on this show for people to take Kryptonian powers. It may not be true from a mythos POV, but hey, that's fiction too.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by curiosity
I agree with you, but at lease they make them damaging to human physiology, which is more believable. And also, on Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of Superman and Smallville also, humans can't keep them, they fade away after awhile.


Ah, that makes sense and I wasn't aware of that. I get confused at times; for instance in Superman I and Superman Returns, Jor El states that "by now I would have been dead for many thousands of your years" and Kara just told Zor El last week that the trip takes three years. I get lost sometimes.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Sometimes, I believe AlMiles have never read a Superman comic book in their lives.

While I agree with you, a power transfer isn't something new to Smallville. Superman has lost his powers a lot.


Originally posted by mctor
Im pretty sure that in the comics Lana had Clarks powers at one time

Actually, Lana's never had them. But Lois has, Jimmy, Pete, Batman, random people in comics.

In Lois & Clark, Lois had them in the season 3 episode "Ultra Woman." He also ended up sharing them with an old man who charged a price to rescue someone.


Originally posted by paolinki25
LOL. No, I mean. It's not because of Lana. It's just the whole storyline with Jason and all was a complete nonsense.

It only ended up being nonsense because WB pitched Supernatural to Jensen Ackles. His stint on Smallville was supposed to be two years, in order to flesh out his character and create a cohesive story.

[ClarksGal]

I do wonder if Lana will show any repercussons for having the powers. Pa Kent had heart problems...of course, he also dove out of a building and had a super-fight with Clark. Jeremiah had a superpowered fight with Clark. Eric Summers didn't seem to have any problems. Maybe it just depends on what you do when you have the powers? Technically, Lex got into a super-powered fight with Clark when Zod had taken him over, but Zod pretty much kicked Clark's butt, so it's not like he took a beating himself.

Just a thought.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
There were storylines in the comics that Lana would become powerful with all kinds of different spells and potions she would make. There's one issue that I remember where she ended becoming as powerful as Clark with a potion she made that bathed in. Same issue she ends up using that power to help Clark fight brainiac who had taken over Lex's body.

There's a throw back to it in this scan, Lana makes a comment about all those years of playing with spells and potions has made her immortal:

http://lana-clark.net/comic/GenerationsFull1.jpg

So Isobel/Lana with all her spells and potions wasn't an idea Almiles thought up first, total throw back.

Lana was never a witch in the comics. Those stories are much true than this:

http://www.superdickery.com/images/seduction/614_4_036.jpg

Silly Silver Age kid stories.

By the way, the Lana in Generations is the Insect Queen, although with a different costume. She did everything (including egyptian potions and spells, that she learned from the Insect Queen amulet) to stop Superboy.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by ClarksGal
I do wonder if Lana will show any repercussons for having the powers. Pa Kent had heart problems...of course, he also dove out of a building and had a super-fight with Clark. Jeremiah had a superpowered fight with Clark. Eric Summers didn't seem to have any problems. Maybe it just depends on what you do when you have the powers? Technically, Lex got into a super-powered fight with Clark when Zod had taken him over, but Zod pretty much kicked Clark's butt, so it's not like he took a beating himself.

Just a thought.

It was TPTB's way of killing Jonathan to match up with the terrible, terrible movies.

Yeah, Eric Summers never had problems. Lionel didn't have problems from having powers. Lex was fine. Yet somehow the powers destroyed Jonathan's cardiopulmonary system?

[Krypton935]

I like when Clark's powers get transferred sometimes. It makes for an interesting story (IMO) whether it's logical or not.

[Mello Penelo]

Yeah, they usually are good stories, but this Lana thing is stupid. Supersex. Buh. :mad:

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It was TPTB's way of killing Jonathan to match up with the terrible, terrible movies.

Yeah, Eric Summers never had problems. Lionel didn't have problems from having powers. Lex was fine. Yet somehow the powers destroyed Jonathan's cardiopulmonary system?

Didn't Jonathan have heart problems prior to getting those powers to bring Clark back? I remember that he passed out in the barn one time, I thought that was in season 2.

EDIT: Nevermind. That was in season 3 after Jonathan had the powers.

[operadiva]

I was laughing so hard when i heard Lana telling Clark that all he does is hide out on the farm..Someone had to tell him that..that fool
Lana was insulting the crap out of Clark..and all he did was to just stand there like a dushbag looking at her..
Final scene in barn was so bad...Clark accepting responsibility for Lana's actions ..Can i say what you moron?
And Lana blaming her actions on the powers...hum..Did she not start all this before she was power infected?
And all i will say is Clark weeps everything Lana has done under the rug yet again...
Clark in a gentle voice to Lana says.. i blame myself...Ok.. Clark.. yes -it is all your fault..bare the burden of it all ...you dushbag..

[xaosthry]

^^ ha, haven't even seen it yet and disappointed already.

[litew8]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Yeah, they usually are good stories, but this Lana thing is stupid. Supersex. Buh. :mad: Buh is right. That was about stupid.

[Mello Penelo]

Indeed.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by litew8
Buh is right. That was about stupid.

And harmful to the character of CK and Superman. Here is a being who can save the world and he's getting his jollys in the barn. Pitiful.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.
this is a universe where Aliens with superpowers that look like humans live on earth. .....transferring powers is not that far of a stretch. :\

now the frequency of it happening....that can be questioned.....

[Xanderman]

I've always found the concept of Superman's powers being transferred to humans completely absurd.

Smallville's done it more than once now, and Lois & Clark did it a couple of times too -- Lois became "Ultra Woman" in that show, just as Lana became "Ultra Annoying" in this one. Same deal. :lol:

Obviously it's all done just to tell a different story and to see characters in different ways/capacities, but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred. It might make an interesting storyline but it isn't true to the mythos from my point of view. That some gimmick or electrical charge would transfer Clark's abilities to someone else has no logic to it.

Dude, it's a frigging TV show based on a comic book. There is no "logic" involved when it comes to the powers. Hell, if you want to be "logical" about it, CLARK can't even have Clark's powers!

[jimmyolsenblues]

Originally posted by galatians221
Clark's abilities are derived from his molecular density which is far beyond anyone on earth. Lana cannot inherit or have this density transferred....

I agree with this. The writers just wanted a way for clana to move forward.
I wish they didn't. I have an 11 year old and let's just say with the earth quaking its uncomfortable when he knows whats going on and I am uncomfortable because he knows whats going on.

but lana's physical body could never produce super strength, speed, head vision, would never transfer.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I agree with this. The writers just wanted a way for clana to move forward.
I wish they didn't. I have an 11 year old and let's just say with the earth quaking its uncomfortable when he knows whats going on and I am uncomfortable because he knows whats going on.

but lana's physical body could never produce super strength, speed, head vision, would never transfer.

You're kind of missing the point. Being "really dense" would not give somebody the power to shoot fire out of his eyes. Nor would being "really dense" mean that when you're exposed to a yellow star, you can fly, but otherwise you're normal. Wherever Clark's powers come from, they are not LogicWorld.

There are virtually innumerable examples in the comics and other iterations of Superman where his powers get transferred. The ability for Clark's powers to be transferred is just as canonical as it is for him to have, say, x-ray vision.

Transfer of his powers is no more and no less logical than his other powers. They are ALL impossible.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by TampaVille
You're kind of missing the point. Being "really dense" would not give somebody the power to shoot fire out of his eyes. Nor would being "really dense" mean that when you're exposed to a yellow star, you can fly, but otherwise you're normal. Wherever Clark's powers come from, they are not LogicWorld.

There are virtually innumerable examples in the comics and other iterations of Superman where his powers get transferred. The ability for Clark's powers to be transferred is just as canonical as it is for him to have, say, x-ray vision.

Transfer of his powers is no more and no less logical than his other powers. They are ALL impossible.

Part of the problem is there are many of us (I think) who know Superman from TV or the movies and aren't into the comic version. I know that's where he originated but the appeal of Smallville to me is that it is more realistic and we've gotten to know CK personally in a sense and see him grow up and look forward with anticipation to his fulfilling his destiny. I don't like seeing Freaks of the Week or other Superhero's because it detracts imho from the uniquness of Superman. The appeal is that he has "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man" and yet we've seen week after week, girls who ate people to survive and guys chattering their teeth to rob jewelry stores and now Martian Manhunter, Kara, Zod et al not to mention Lana gaining superpowers and the highlight of her gaining those powers is to have supersex. I grew up in the 50's with George Reeves as a reporter who helps solve crimes with his super identity. That's what I thought Smallville would be but the writers have written the character in a corner and that corner is in a barn in Smallville. There simply cannot be a season 8 where they continue to denigrate the character of Superman.

[dh1031]

Buh is right. That was about stupid.Not about stupid, it was flat-out stupid. I was really disappointed that Clark did that!! >:-( However, I did love Clark's reaction to Lana and Chloe discussing it. ;-)

[galatians221]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I agree with this. The writers just wanted a way for clana to move forward.
I wish they didn't. I have an 11 year old and let's just say with the earth quaking its uncomfortable when he knows whats going on and I am uncomfortable because he knows whats going on.

but lana's physical body could never produce super strength, speed, head vision, would never transfer.

Agreed, and the logic for that is that her bones for instance do not have the molecular density to survive landing or probably even superrunning. I realize that this is all fantasy but it's presented in a logical manner and is well thought out. This wasn't.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by JudasAce
Dude, it's a frigging TV show based on a comic book. There is no "logic" involved when it comes to the powers. Hell, if you want to be "logical" about it, CLARK can't even have Clark's powers!

The comic was created with logic. Kal El's molecular density is what Jor El stated would give him his powers. If Lana had his powers transferred to him her bones wouldn't have the molecular density to stand up to superspeed running or lifting that windmill. The writers of SV have violated the logic given in the comics and in the movies.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by TampaVille
You're kind of missing the point. Being "really dense" would not give somebody the power to shoot fire out of his eyes. Nor would being "really dense" mean that when you're exposed to a yellow star, you can fly, but otherwise you're normal. Wherever Clark's powers come from, they are not LogicWorld.

There are virtually innumerable examples in the comics and other iterations of Superman where his powers get transferred. The ability for Clark's powers to be transferred is just as canonical as it is for him to have, say, x-ray vision.

Transfer of his powers is no more and no less logical than his other powers. They are ALL impossible.

I don't think I'm missing the point. Is Superman (Kal El) unique or not. If he just has some mysterious power granted to him by the yellow sun then sure others could somehow grab that power but if earth's gravitational pull or atmospheric conditions makes a Kryptonian super human because of the molecular density as Jor El stated in Superman I, then it becomes an inconsistancy for earth people to have the same powers as Kryptonians who have entered our atmosphere. They are taking something that's supposed to be amazing and stated as "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man" and then denigrating that by letting mortal men share in those qualities by freak accident. Superman is not supposed to be a freak accident, he's a visitor from an unknown planet. He's unique. They shouldn't mess with that in the comics or in the movies or on TV.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by galatians221
I don't think I'm missing the point. Is Superman (Kal El) unique or not. If he just has some mysterious power granted to him by the yellow sun then sure others could somehow grab that power but if earth's gravitational pull or atmospheric conditions makes a Kryptonian super human because of the molecular density as Jor El stated in Superman I, then it becomes an inconsistancy for earth people to have the same powers as Kryptonians who have entered our atmosphere. They are taking something that's supposed to be amazing and stated as "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man" and then denigrating that by letting mortal men share in those qualities by freak accident. Superman is not supposed to be a freak accident, he's a visitor from an unknown planet. He's unique. They shouldn't mess with that in the comics or in the movies or on TV.

I'm not trying to turn this into an argument. You are a bit mistaken though. What occurred in Superman I is not canon. That is not the resource for Superman continuity. Superman's power does not, despite what was stated in the movie, come from being dense. He's granted his power because of the way Kryptonian physiology reacts to exposure to a yellow star.

It is not an inconsistancy for humans to be able to take on Superman's powers. As I pointed out in my last post, it has occurred many, many, MANY times over the last several decades. It is well precedented. It is, in fact, quite consistent with the Superman canon that his powers can be transferred.

The comics don't "mess with" Superman mythos. They write it. They define it. They ARE it. And the comics have left a very strong history of the transferability of Clark's powers.

It sounds like you don't like the fact that his powers can be transferred. That's fair. You don't have to like it. But I don't see that you have any case against it. He is fictional, as are his powers. They can be defined however the comic writers want to define them. They are, and have been, defined as being transferable. That's just the way it is. It's possible that in some future continuity, they'll retcon him so that his powers can't be transferred. As of now, though, they can be. Arguing that his powers can't or shouldn't transfer is like arguing that he can't or shouldn't have heat vision. You might not like it, but for now, it is that way.


Originally posted by galatians221
Part of the problem is there are many of us (I think) who know Superman from TV or the movies and aren't into the comic version. I know that's where he originated but the appeal of Smallville to me is that it is more realistic and we've gotten to know CK personally in a sense and see him grow up and look forward with anticipation to his fulfilling his destiny. I don't like seeing Freaks of the Week or other Superhero's because it detracts imho from the uniquness of Superman. The appeal is that he has "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man" and yet we've seen week after week, girls who ate people to survive and guys chattering their teeth to rob jewelry stores and now Martian Manhunter, Kara, Zod et al not to mention Lana gaining superpowers and the highlight of her gaining those powers is to have supersex. I grew up in the 50's with George Reeves as a reporter who helps solve crimes with his super identity. That's what I thought Smallville would be but the writers have written the character in a corner and that corner is in a barn in Smallville. There simply cannot be a season 8 where they continue to denigrate the character of Superman.

Regarding this post, I actually agree with you almost entirely. I grew up on the George Reeves' Adventures of Superman as well (admittedly, on Nick at Nite, but grew up on it nonetheless). That's also where I was introduced to Superman, and I've never been a terribly strong fan of the comics themselves. I do like that version of Superman more than other ones, and I think that SV has made a grave error by not focusing on more real-world problems that Clark could be facing. Instead they've taken the easy road by coming up with goofball villain after goofball villain. Sometimes the supernatural route can be used very effectively, when it is a metaphor for some real world issue, but a lot of the time on SV it's not. So I want you to know that I'm not just being antagonistic. I'm right there with you on this issue.

But that's really quite unrelated to the topic of this thread. I probably even agree with you that I would RATHER have Superman's powers not be transferable. They are though. And our wanting it to be another way doesn't make it that way. His powers can be transferred. That's been well established over the years. I don't see that there is much of a conversation to be had over whether or not they can be transferred. They can be. It's quite that simple.

I don't like it much more than you do. That is how it is though.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by TampaVille
I'm not trying to turn this into an argument. You are a bit mistaken though. What occurred in Superman I is not canon. That is not the resource for Superman continuity. Superman's power does not, despite what was stated in the movie, come from being dense. He's granted his power because of the way Kryptonian physiology reacts to exposure to a yellow star.

It is not an inconsistancy for humans to be able to take on Superman's powers. As I pointed out in my last post, it has occurred many, many, MANY times over the last several decades. It is well precedented. It is, in fact, quite consistent with the Superman canon that his powers can be transferred.

The comics don't "mess with" Superman mythos. They write it. They define it. They ARE it. And the comics have left a very strong history of the transferability of Clark's powers.

It sounds like you don't like the fact that his powers can be transferred. That's fair. You don't have to like it. But I don't see that you have any case against it. He is fictional, as are his powers. They can be defined however the comic writers want to define them. They are, and have been, defined as being transferable. That's just the way it is. It's possible that in some future continuity, they'll retcon him so that his powers can't be transferred. As of now, though, they can be. Arguing that his powers can't or shouldn't transfer is like arguing that he can't or shouldn't have heat vision. You might not like it, but for now, it is that way.

I can't follow your logic. If it's mythos then I don't understand it. If the powers can be transferred then the combination of being from Krypton and the yellow sun is broken. Now you can be from earth and get the same power from the yellow sun. The logic is therefore broken. Kryptonians have unique power on earth, whether it's from their molecular density or from the sun. In order for the powers to be transferred, the uniqueness of being from Krypton would also have to be transferred. Maybe the comics have done this but it destroys the logic and therefore weakens the mythos. If an earthling can somehow get those powers they can be as unique as a Kryptonian. Makes no sense to me.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by galatians221
I can't follow your logic. If it's mythos then I don't understand it. If the powers can be transferred then the combination of being from Krypton and the yellow sun is broken. Now you can be from earth and get the same power from the yellow sun. The logic is therefore broken. Kryptonians have unique power on earth, whether it's from their molecular density or from the sun. In order for the powers to be transferred, the uniqueness of being from Krypton would also have to be transferred. Maybe the comics have done this but it destroys the logic and therefore weakens the mythos. If an earthling can somehow get those powers they can be as unique as a Kryptonian. Makes no sense to me.

You've basically hit the nail on the head. There is not much logic to it. The powers can be transferred, and maybe that's not logical. It's all fiction though, and not always well written at that. Keep in mind that the comics and the mythos are not logical. There are some general rules, but they get broken regularly. Fact: Clark has powers. Fact: They can be transferred. If you can come up with a logical explanation for why, that's great. If not, that's unfortunate. Either way, those are the facts.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by TampaVille
You've basically hit the nail on the head. There is not much logic to it. The powers can be transferred, and maybe that's not logical. It's all fiction though, and not always well written at that. Keep in mind that the comics and the mythos are not logical. There are some general rules, but they get broken regularly. Fact: Clark has powers. Fact: They can be transferred. If you can come up with a logical explanation for why, that's great. If not, that's unfortunate. Either way, those are the facts.

That all makes intelligent discussion about CK difficult if there is no canon and rules are constantly broken. All in all, I want Smallville to be about Clark Kent, Kal El or Superman. I don't want to see Lana getting superpowers and having sex with CK. I just want a higher standard.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by galatians221
That all makes intelligent discussion about CK difficult if there is no canon and rules are constantly broken. All in all, I want Smallville to be about Clark Kent, Kal El or Superman. I don't want to see Lana getting superpowers and having sex with CK. I just want a higher standard.

Well, now we're really getting to a different issue. Many things have occurred on Smallville that I think have made it a worse show than it could have been. I'd like to have seen more episodes by now that focused on non-superpowered threats. I'd like to see Clark using the supercomputer in his head to tackle some real world issues. I'd like for it to be done better than it was in Subterrainean, an episode which would have been sub-par even if it hadn't included a burrowing farmer. I'd have liked to see fewer witches on Smallville, or none at all. TPTB seem to like the superpowered plotlines though. Again, unfortunate. That's the show that we tune in to see.

The Adventures of Superman are out on DVD. I own the first couple seasons. If that's the show you want to be watching, you can do so. :)

[galatians221]

Originally posted by TampaVille
Well, now we're really getting to a different issue. Many things have occurred on Smallville that I think have made it a worse show than it could have been. I'd like to have seen more episodes by now that focused on non-superpowered threats. I'd like to see Clark using the supercomputer in his head to tackle some real world issues. I'd like for it to be done better than it was in Subterrainean, an episode which would have been sub-par even if it hadn't included a burrowing farmer. I'd have liked to see fewer witches on Smallville, or none at all. TPTB seem to like the superpowered plotlines though. Again, unfortunate. That's the show that we tune in to see.

The Adventures of Superman are out on DVD. I own the first couple seasons. If that's the show you want to be watching, you can do so. :)

I've bought the first one and will indeed get the others. That's my first exposure to Superman. The comics never appealed to me. Not realistic enough.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by galatians221
I've bought the first one and will indeed get the others. That's my first exposure to Superman. The comics never appealed to me. Not realistic enough.

I hear you. The old classic comics would probably be more enjoyable for you. Also, if you can get your hands on any of the old radio broadcasts, those were really something.

[migo]

Originally posted by ClarksGal
I do wonder if Lana will show any repercussons for having the powers. Pa Kent had heart problems...of course, he also dove out of a building and had a super-fight with Clark. Jeremiah had a superpowered fight with Clark. Eric Summers didn't seem to have any problems. Maybe it just depends on what you do when you have the powers? Technically, Lex got into a super-powered fight with Clark when Zod had taken him over, but Zod pretty much kicked Clark's butt, so it's not like he took a beating himself.

Just a thought.

Lex had the antidote that BranIAC had him make first so that his body could handle it.

The molecular density argument makes no sense. If that were the case then he wouldn't be able to fly.

Also, his powers have been re-written several times. In Superman 2 he had the ability to erase memories. In the original comics I think he was just fast, invulnerable and strong. Also, if it was density, then you'd see Superman ballooning when he gets near green k - he just gets weak though. It's been pretty clearly stated in SV, explicitly by MM and also shown several times implicitly that the powers come from the yellow sun. When near green k, the physiology becomes completely human - they showed that with the blood. There's also a lot more to it as they can lose their powers at a distance (Jor-El did it from the FOS, not requiring a special chamber to shine red sunlight on him), and Lionel and Jonathan also both got the powers from Jor-El in the cave. Kara was given the powers the same way. There's a lot of precedent to support Lana getting the powers.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by migo
Lex had the antidote that BranIAC had him make first so that his body could handle it.

The molecular density argument makes no sense. If that were the case then he wouldn't be able to fly.

Also, his powers have been re-written several times. In Superman 2 he had the ability to erase memories. In the original comics I think he was just fast, invulnerable and strong. Also, if it was density, then you'd see Superman ballooning when he gets near green k - he just gets weak though. It's been pretty clearly stated in SV, explicitly by MM and also shown several times implicitly that the powers come from the yellow sun. When near green k, the physiology becomes completely human - they showed that with the blood. There's also a lot more to it as they can lose their powers at a distance (Jor-El did it from the FOS, not requiring a special chamber to shine red sunlight on him), and Lionel and Jonathan also both got the powers from Jor-El in the cave. Kara was given the powers the same way. There's a lot of precedent to support Lana getting the powers.

I didn't make up the molecular density, that's what Jor El (Marlon Brando) stated in Superman I. That's what causes bullets to bounce off of him and gives him the skeletel strength etc. Obviously there is also the issue of heat vision and xray vision etc as well as flying which may not fall into that category and perhaps comes from the yellow sun. It's confusing but I for one would like for it to be consistant.

[migo]

You want fantasy to stay consistent?

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by galatians221
I didn't make up the molecular density, that's what Jor El (Marlon Brando) stated in Superman I. That's what causes bullets to bounce off of him and gives him the skeletel strength etc. Obviously there is also the issue of heat vision and xray vision etc as well as flying which may not fall into that category and perhaps comes from the yellow sun. It's confusing but I for one would like for it to be consistant.

That is indeed what was said in the 1978 movie. Superman first appeared in 1939. Over the many decades that Superman has been around, he has had a lot of changes. He's had powers come and go. He didn't first have flight, he could merely jump long distances without the ability to change his path mid-flight. Hence the "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" part. Originally, he had to leap over tall buildings; he couldn't fly over them. He has also lost a lot of powers, many of which were silly. He had a limited ability to shapeshift for a while (super-muscular control).

My point is that you are clinging awfully dearly onto the molecular density thing that Brando said in Superman I. You have to give it up. I don't know when that started, but it's not canon. I am terribly sorry that this bothers you. I know you would like for the comics, movies, and TV shows all to have been consistent over the last 68 years. They have not been. They have not come close.

As of now, Superman gets his powers from the sun. He has those powers because of the way his Kryptonian physiology reacts to the light of a yellow sun. Those powers can be transferred to humans, even though humans are, by definition, not Kryptonian. Again, I'm terribly sorry that this is not the way you want it to be. I know you want it to be different. You've said so several times. It is not different though. That's how it is.

Superman could be retconned anytime and have the source of his powers changed. Maybe his powers will be made officially non-transferrable. DC has the habit of making such changes as time goes on.

For better or worse though, that is how it is. There's no discussion to be had over whether Clark's powers could have been transferred to Lana. They could. He and his powers are fictional. They can react however the writers want them to within Superman canon. It is canon that they can be transferred. If the point of this thread is to discuss why the powers could not have been transferred to Lana, then that issue is resolved. They could be. In response to the title of this thread, "Lana cannot have Clark's abilities," several decades of continuity disagree. She can.

His powers were never transferred in Superman: The Movie. That does not mean they can't be transferred.

There is really not much more reason to continue this thread.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by migo
You want fantasy to stay consistent?

Absolutely. That's why I don't like seeing all of these other superheroes. I am attracted by the uniqueness of Superman. They went into great detail to explain why he came to earth and why he has super powers on earth. To deviate from that makes the story less believable. Fantasy that's not believable will interest some people but not most. If the tooth fairy left money one time and corn on the cob the next time there would be a lot less interest in the tooth fairy. The writers have strained the fantasy past credulity. The wackier it gets the less believable it gets and the less people will be interested in it. Just make it a cartoon for children if that's the case. There are those who follow the mythos and the canon of Superman (I'm not one of those) and consistancy is the key to believability even though we all know it's fantasy.