Who Screwed Lana up The Most With Their Lies - Clark or Lex

[StrangeVisitor1979]

Lex brought up an interesting point. Clark had lied to Lana for years about his secrets, almost longer than Lex had during their relationship. This kind of treatment would leave someone extremely damaged. Kind of makes you realize the only one who was nearly completely honest with her was Whitney Fordman. But the question I pose to you is which one - Clark or Lex - left their mark moreso on Lana?

[redraven]

Lex did.

Although if Clark had been honest from the beginning the whole Lex scenario would have never happened. :\

[Alexander III]

Both's responsible for it but Lex's prolly the worse one coz he physically and mentally traumatized her.

[paolinki25]

Lana screwed Lana's life. Plain and simple.

[borednow]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Lana screwed Lana's life. Plain and simple.

Agreed let the girl take responsibility for her own life. A lot of bad things have happened to her but she chose where to take those experiences. A lot worse things have happened to people and they don't end up the way she has.

[Atomic girl]

Lana is responsible and no one else.....

We can't control what happens to us some of the time, but we can always control how we behave in response to it.

Let that girl reap what she sows.....

[smlgrl1547]

lex!!!

[free_emily]

So if you love Clana it's Lex who is responsible and if you hate Clana it's Lana who is responsible?

To me, they all bear some responsibility. Being lied to repeatedly, even for the best of reasons, is damaging. And having someone else there to pick at the insecurities (Lex) doesn't help. But at some point you also have to own your damage and either rise above it or suffer the consequences.

It seems to me, in the last Clana scene, Lana owned it. She didn't blame Clark or Lex, even if they were contributing factors. It was nice to see a truthful, mature communication take place between Clark and Lana. Maybe now the secrets and lies page can be turned.

[ShelbyKent]

Lana is responsible to how she reacts to Clark's and Lex's lies. Sure Lex and Clark were deceitful towards her but they didn't tell her to get high on krypto-crack or kidnap people and hit them with a shovel. Those were Lana's own decisions, how she chose to deal with problems.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I think it's gotta be Lex.

Look at it this way. Clark was more screwed up by having to lie to all his friends than Lana ever was about being lied to. On the other hand, Lex (although it probably did screw him up a bit more) couldn't possibly have been more screwed up than Lana was due to his lies.

Plus, Clark's lies had good intentions, Lex's had only selfish ones. And Clark's lies never actually put her through physical pain or grief of anything as bad as what Lex did to her.

Last point being, she has only turned 'luthor' style dark since after lex had his turn with her so i think its only clear who the culprit for her screwed up ness is

[dh1031]

Maybe now the secrets and lies page can be turned.I thought that was all they had!!! :lol:

[Ardiem3]

Lex because she forgave Clark because she understood why he didnt tell her for the most part because it was such a huge secret. Theres no way that Lana can forgive Lex and now, Lana is bitter towards lex and has a chip on her shoulder because of it.

[Tottally ~ Free]

Oh my.

oh my oh my oh MY

[Mello Penelo]

Clark. Because he's a BDA who can't lie worth a crap.

Lex is a master at lying. Lana still can't prove anything Lex did to her.

She was born with a black heart, though. She was just too naive to understand who was lying to her. Clark made it so normal she picked up on it from him.

[borednow]

Originally posted by free_emily
So if you love Clana it's Lex who is responsible and if you hate Clana it's Lana who is responsible?


While that may actually be true for my post it isn't why I posted it. I dislike Clana but who do I feel is responsible for Clark sitting at home instead of becoming a superhero? That would be Clark. Who is responsible for Lex becoming evil? That would be Lex. Who is responsible for the Chimmy break up? Chloe and Jimmy. I think people need to take responsibility for there own actions. Yeah Lex is responsible for what he did and so is Clark but they are not responsible for what Lana does.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by borednow
While that may actually be true for my post it isn't why I posted it. I dislike Clana but who do I feel is responsible for Clark sitting at home instead of becoming a superhero? That would be Clark. Who is responsible for Lex becoming evil? That would be Lex. Who is responsible for the Chimmy break up? Chloe and Jimmy. I think people need to take responsibility for there own actions. Yeah Lex is responsible for what he did and so is Clark but they are not responsible for what Lana does.

precisely.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

^^Amen to that^^

[Honey45]

Ehh, it's hard to say. Clark lied to protect Lana, Lex lied to get her to marry him.

I think Lex was worse. While Clark did majorly lie to Lana, it didn't put her in mcuh danger, right? It kept her OUT of danger.
But Lex was .. messed. Doing that to a woman can (clearly) seriously screw them up.

I think what Lex did was worse. BUT it's anybody's opinion.


If it were me, I would rather my boyfriend/husband lie about having superpowers than having him fake my pregnancy and miscarriage.
But maybe I'm only saying that because I know no one has superpowers. Who knows.

[Bookwrm17]

I have to agree that Lana is responsible for her own actions, as is everyone else, but if I had to say who influenced her more into becoming the dark person she is now, I'd go with Lex.

Clark was hiding a part of his identity that he wasn't comfortable with sharing. Lex actually lied in order to manipulate her.

But again, ultimately, all of Lana's choices were her own.

[reobeem]

They are equaly are to blame.

Clark lied for good reason. Plus he saved Lana more than enough times to make up for it. When he told her the truth the first time she got killed, then the second time around she just accepted it and seemed fine with it.

Lex did it for his twisted version of love. He also manipulated her into hating Clark. Clark lied but it didn't hurt her as much as Lex.

[Chlollie]

Lana's

[smallvillefreak24]

you'd think clark would but definatley lex, because clark never made her go psycho...hence this season

[skylar]

Lex messed with Lana's head from the start. Lex knew what his intentions were from the get go. By getting back at Clark for lying to him. He lead Lana on and he knew she would fall for it. Getting her to marry him with fake pregnancy and then the miscarriage. The cloning didn't help either. It's has to be Lex.

[The Blue Bomber]

Lex, she wasn't the same Lana after the relationship with Lex

[whiteflag]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Lana screwed Lana's life. Plain and simple.

Word!!!

[Khyla]

Neither.

Lana is her own person. She makes her own decisons. No one else is responsible for who and what she is but herself.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by redraven
Lex did.

Although if Clark had been honest from the beginning the whole Lex scenario would have never happened. :\

soo true..i hate lex for wat he did to lana....but clark shoulda been honest..


Originally posted by paolinki25
Lana screwed Lana's life. Plain and simple.


i dont think thats really true..yea lana makes her own choices and its her life..but lex really screwed her head up..and when someone gets in your head like that..its hard to let it go...she hates him soo much she dont know what to feel or do...

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by StrangeVisitor1979
Lex brought up an interesting point. Clark had lied to Lana for years about his secrets, almost longer than Lex had during their relationship. This kind of treatment would leave someone extremely damaged. Kind of makes you realize the only one who was nearly completely honest with her was Whitney Fordman. But the question I pose to you is which one - Clark or Lex - left their mark moreso on Lana?

That was Lex's way of not taking responsibility. What Clark (a highschool friend--not even boyfriend until after highschool) kept from Lana should in no way mess up her life. Lana had problems before Clark started becoming her friend in season 1. She had problems ever since her parents died (all those years she spent with Nell, the real Emily Dinsmore, and friends). She should have been taken for therapy a long time ago. Clark saving Lana's life in that tornado, which started "Secrets & Lies" is the last thing that should have ruined her life.

[svtwamedfan05]

Lana is an adult she is responsible for herself.

[Thil_EL]

I wish there was an option that said "neither" and that Lana just screwed herself up. Because that's the truth! ;)

[insp henderson]

Everyone forget about Lionel?

Most everything she has done that is wacky in the last episode was to protect clark because of lionels threat. Blame the writers for the cabin.

Her understandable revenge against Lex and awareness of his lack of scruples justifies keeping an eye on him.

Tonights krypto injection accounted for her actions, according to Clark.

Everyone gives clark a pass after red K

[Bruce Knight]

im not a genius but id say lex, he made her think she was pregnet and she thought she was gonna be all happy and stuff with him and her baby then ...nope sorry i lied i was manipulating you all along theres no baby in you i was only using that as a way to make you stay with me and to stick it to clark...but im sorry, oh and i was secretly making supersoldiers buy studying meteor freaks even chloe...but im sooo sorry

im leaning tword lex on this one , clark is a saint compared to lex lol

[BadToad]

Lana is responsible for Lana. Not Clark. Not Lex. Yes, she's had bad things happen to her, and she's had people not be good to her. The same could be said for all the major characters on SV. Lana is making her own choices.

[Thil_EL]

Originally posted by BadToad
Lana is responsible for Lana. Not Clark. Not Lex. Yes, she's had bad things happen to her, and she's had people not be good to her. The same could be said for all the major characters on SV. Lana is making her own choices.
Yup! Best example is Chloe. She has had a very bumpy past with both Lionel and lex. Not to mention the fotw trouble and she was basically in love with Clark for years! and looks how GREAT she turned out to be.

[KryptoKnight]

Lana did it to herself and did it better than anyone else could do it to her

[Clarkgirl8]

Lex! he made her a Luthor!!!!

[darkkrypton81]

There's plenty of blame to go around so I would have to say that both Clark and Lex were somewhat responsible.

Clark being the BDA for six years and moping.
Lex with the fake pregnancy thing.

It's just that Lana has so much trust issues. One time she's proud to be a Luthor and the other she enjoys being a superhuman alien's sweetheart.

[Coyote]

I think it's cumulative from many different influences, not just Clark and Lex. Lana has been through more trauma than a combat veteran. Her parents were killed by the meteor, then she finds Henry Small and that loser abandons her. She's had several dead boyfriends, a couple of whom turned out to be homicidal. She's been attacked and kidnapped by countless meteor freaks, aliens, and human psychos. A boyfriend that turns out to be a space alien. A dangerous psycho billionaire ex husband. It's no wonder the poor girl has gotten rather "defensive."

[Who]

Maybe she is just suffering mental illness from all those head injuries.

[Valerie]

You need a third option in this survey.

Lana is responsible for who she has become.

I thought the girl had a few screws loose from the times in seasons one and two when she used to hang out at her parents grave at night. I mean come on.. she was three when they died. I doubt she would even remember much about them. And they never portrayed her aunt Nell who raised her as being cold or uncaring. It may be the writers fault, but Lana always seemed a bit unstable to me. Lex's influence may have brought out her darkness, but it was always there.

[Brizzle]

All of them including lana

But I agree Lana picked up from Lex and Clark about lies and secrets. they lied to her so much that she began lying to them.

[niki]

Originally posted by Brizzle
All of them including lana

But I agree Lana picked up from Lex and Clark about lies and secrets. they lied to her so much that she began lying to them.

Agreed! Lana is responsible for her actions, but you can't deny that you are affected by what people tell you, whether it's truth or lies. Both Clark and Lex's lies affected her ... but I happened to vote for Lex just 'cause I thought he did a lot more harm than Clark did, hehe.

[jposey]

Originally posted by free_emily
So if you love Clana it's Lex who is responsible and if you hate Clana it's Lana who is responsible?

To me, they all bear some responsibility. Being lied to repeatedly, even for the best of reasons, is damaging. And having someone else there to pick at the insecurities (Lex) doesn't help. But at some point you also have to own your damage and either rise above it or suffer the consequences.

It seems to me, in the last Clana scene, Lana owned it. She didn't blame Clark or Lex, even if they were contributing factors. It was nice to see a truthful, mature communication take place between Clark and Lana. Maybe now the secrets and lies page can be turned.

Yep. All three are responsible to some degree

[mobiusklein]

Lana's responsible for her own screwups.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by BadToad
Lana is responsible for Lana. Not Clark. Not Lex. Yes, she's had bad things happen to her, and she's had people not be good to her. The same could be said for all the major characters on SV. Lana is making her own choices.
Agreed,it was lana's bad choices that lead to all the mistakes she's made recently.But it was her choice,so lana is responsible for lana.

[jazel]

how about neither ?
Lana made her OWN choices.
NOBODY can be blamed for that.

[mobiusklein]

Who should be blamed next? Shelby?

[free_emily]

Originally posted by borednow
While that may actually be true for my post it isn't why I posted it. I dislike Clana but who do I feel is responsible for Clark sitting at home instead of becoming a superhero? That would be Clark. Who is responsible for Lex becoming evil? That would be Lex. Who is responsible for the Chimmy break up? Chloe and Jimmy. I think people need to take responsibility for there own actions. Yeah Lex is responsible for what he did and so is Clark but they are not responsible for what Lana does.
I find this too black and white. Not to say that they have zero culpability for their own situations, but I've always been under the impression that part of Smallville's story is the underlying issue of nature versus nurture.

For example, if Clark's spaceship had landed a cornfield over and Lionel had found him instead of the Kents. Would Clark still become Superman? If Jonathan and Martha hadn't been so adamant about Clark keeping his powers hidden, what difference might that have made?

If you kick a dog enough, it will probably become vicious. If you kick a different dog the same amount, maybe this second dog doesn't become vicious. Do you look at the first dog and say there was something weak and substandard about this first dog that prevented it from withering the abuse storm?

If you abuse a child, that child is more likely to grow up and become an abuser than a grown up who was not abused as a child.

Who/what is responsible for these differences?

One of the things I liked about this episode is that I think it touched on a recurrent theme - the line between a Clark and Lex is thinner than we like to think. They share some things in common including the fact that they both lied to Lana. Granted, the lies were for different reasons, but is the end result the same?

Don't Lex and Clark both believe that the means (the lying) was justified by the ends? Never mind that Clark was trying to be selfless by protecting Lana and Lex was being selfish in his attempt to possess Lana. The motivation is in the eye of the beholder. If you asked Lex he probably believes he was being selfless. He is, afterall, the hero of his version of the story.

To me, Clark's lies probably hurt Lana more in the sense that she expected more

But Lex's lies may have been more damaging because while I don't think Lana harbored any illusions about Lex being a true blue good guy, there was something cruel to Lex's lies that was absent from Clark's lies.

Anyway, I don't think you can chalk everything up to personal responsibility. Outside influences are just that - influential. Being hurt changes how we see things and how we react to things. As does being loved.

This idea that Lana is straight up evil doesn't really wash with me because I think most people have the capacity for good and evil. It's just a matter of which side is being accessed and under what circumstances.

The thing that Lana has always wanted is unconditional love. Not idealized love. She and Clark have the opportunity for that now. And it benefits them both. Isn't that ultimately one of Superman's great strengths? And isn't it also one of the things that sets him apart from his Kryptonian ancestors? Don't look now, but this experience of seeing Lana for who she really is and continuing to have faith in her seems like a Super step to me.

Well, that went a little far afield. Oh well.

[ShelbyKent]

Well then why stop at Clark and Lex? We also need to blame Jason, Geneveive Teague, Chloe, Aunt Nell, Henry Small, Lana's mom (hey she hid the affair with Henry Small, so she lied) and the list can go on!

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Well, since Lana HERSELF said that its her fault, that she is responsible for her own actions and choices, its pretty clear who is to "blame".

[wrinkles]

Ahem - can we add Jason and Adam to this list? Or what about Jason's lovely old mother whose body Lana was happy to let Lex dispose of? Maybe blame Lana's destiny since she was the "chosen one" in season 4? Or that big old evil tattoo she had in the same season?

NO - blame her parents for dying in the meteor shower. Always blame the parents for getting it wrong.

[petewillreturn]

Originally posted by free_emily
I find this too black and white. Not to say that they have zero culpability for their own situations, but I've always been under the impression that part of Smallville's story is the underlying issue of nature versus nurture.

For example, if Clark's spaceship had landed a cornfield over and Lionel had found him instead of the Kents. Would Clark still become Superman? If Jonathan and Martha hadn't been so adamant about Clark keeping his powers hidden, what difference might that have made?

If you kick a dog enough, it will probably become vicious. If you kick a different dog the same amount, maybe this second dog doesn't become vicious. Do you look at the first dog and say there was something weak and substandard about this first dog that prevented it from withering the abuse storm?

If you abuse a child, that child is more likely to grow up and become an abuser than a grown up who was not abused as a child.

Who/what is responsible for these differences?

One of the things I liked about this episode is that I think it touched on a recurrent theme - the line between a Clark and Lex is thinner than we like to think. They share some things in common including the fact that they both lied to Lana. Granted, the lies were for different reasons, but is the end result the same?

Don't Lex and Clark both believe that the means (the lying) was justified by the ends? Never mind that Clark was trying to be selfless by protecting Lana and Lex was being selfish in his attempt to possess Lana. The motivation is in the eye of the beholder. If you asked Lex he probably believes he was being selfless. He is, afterall, the hero of his version of the story.

To me, Clark's lies probably hurt Lana more in the sense that she expected more

But Lex's lies may have been more damaging because while I don't think Lana harbored any illusions about Lex being a true blue good guy, there was something cruel to Lex's lies that was absent from Clark's lies.

Anyway, I don't think you can chalk everything up to personal responsibility. Outside influences are just that - influential. Being hurt changes how we see things and how we react to things. As does being loved.

This idea that Lana is straight up evil doesn't really wash with me because I think most people have the capacity for good and evil. It's just a matter of which side is being accessed and under what circumstances.

The thing that Lana has always wanted is unconditional love. Not idealized love. She and Clark have the opportunity for that now. And it benefits them both. Isn't that ultimately one of Superman's great strengths? And isn't it also one of the things that sets him apart from his Kryptonian ancestors? Don't look now, but this experience of seeing Lana for who she really is and continuing to have faith in her seems like a Super step to me.

Well, that went a little far afield. Oh well.

Great post and I agree with a lot of what you said. What I do blame Lana for is not listening to her friends when they warned her about Lex, but I have to admit that I am starting to like the Lex and Lana storyline.

[kal-el_Girl]

I think that she was already pretty messed up..hello?? she witnessed her parents death!!!!)))
clark wasn't that honest but the one at fault here is lex..HE PUSHED HER OVER THE EDGE...
thank you lex *cheers*


Originally posted by wrinkles
NO - blame her parents for dying in the meteor shower. Always blame the parents for getting it wrong.
exactly!!! It has worked for me so far.... :rotfl:
ps. love you mom :p

[BadToad]

The thing that Lana has always wanted is unconditional love. Not idealized love. She and Clark have the opportunity for that now. And it benefits them both. Isn't that ultimately one of Superman's great strengths? And isn't it also one of the things that sets him apart from his Kryptonian ancestors? Don't look now, but this experience of seeing Lana for who she really is and continuing to have faith in her seems like a Super step to me.

So, Clark should be A-OK with Lana kidnapping people, and brutally inflicting harm, and believing the ends justifies the means, because after all, Superman should have faith in people? Yeah, OK, thats totally what he should do :rolleyes:

Because from where I was sitting on the couch last night, Lana has NO remorse for what she did. She's not sorry. She isn't sorry that she attacked Lois for no reason whatsoever. She isn't sorry she attacked Clark, both physically and verbally. I got no indication that she's taking back the rather low opinion she has of Clark in general. And she isn't apologizing for anything she's done before the powers, except maybe being caught in her lie.

So, how does Clark have faith in that?

[Perlenoire7]

I think ultimately Lana is reponsible for the way she turned out period - it's the choices you make that makes you who you are - and I don't think that Lex was referring to the lying about his secret - I think he was referring to the whole thing with the Hypno girl - but no one told Lana to go for Lex - no one chose for Lana the men in her life ... she chose them ...therefore it's up to her ...I don't think she has learned yet from her mistake

[theWatcher]

Now this is a hard one. Both have played their part in messing the por girl up. To be fair though the beginning of her "transformation" started with the continous lies that Clark had to keep feeding her because he was afraid of how she might react to his secret. Lex and his false pregnancy and hidden agendas didn't help matters either. In my opinion they both have equal blame. Let us think as well that Lana made a conscious choice for the actions she has taken. She has blame to be taken upon herself.

[berniepooh]

Why does anyone blame someone else for the choices they make in life? Becaue it's easier and more cowardly than facing the truth.

In Shakespeare's HENRY V the king has a very telling line when his men are theorizing in the field that if the king's intension's were not honorable when he entered into the war he will be accountable to God for all the death and pain of the war. Henry tells them "Every man's duty is the king's, but every man's soul is his own."

In numerous episodes going back to season one Lana could have chosen to do the right thing. But, every time she has chosen what was easy. The irony is that living with the consequences of "the easy way out" is anything but easy; unless you realy are a despicable person with no conscience. Right now I am leaning toward thinking that Lana is dark because she is also hollow.

Chloe threw down a gauntlet last evening. Lana could very well end up killing Chloe, or attempting it.

[kryptonaidxh]

Originally posted by Perlenoire7
I think ultimately Lana is reponsible for the way she turned out period - it's the choices you make that makes you who you are -

exactly!:D

Why would Clark and Lex had to do with Lana´s bad behavior?:confused: :rolleyes: come on!.
first-Clark had the right to hide his secret and not to tell her, and he was right, when she had Clark´s powers the evil witch used them to harm inocent people like Lois and Clark and do evil things.
she doesn´t deserve Clark and either knowing his secret, she has prooved to be capable of everything.
Lex- Lex didn´t scrube Lana, she already was a lier and hided things from everyone before to date him, and nobody forced to sleep with Lex, in fact she was the first one who was willing to sleep and date with him.
so don´t look for an excuse about her evil behavior.:p :)

[chlo-el]

They were both factors but Lana made her own choices.

[All about Clark]

I'm going with both Lana and Lex. Lana is responsible for herself, however, Lex taught her to be manipulative/deceitful and to do whatever it takes to get what you want. Lana was slightly this way before but to such a small degree, and Lex's influence amplified that to the highest level. Yes, it was her fault for dating Lex to begin with. I say 75% Lana, 25% Lex. If she had never dated Lex than her manipulative levels would be at a more moderate level.

[Sweetie]

Lana is not a child,she is responsable about her bad decisions.Everybody told her stay away from Lex saying that he was dangerous but,she didn't listened she went with him without thinking twice(she did this with all her previous relationships).I hope she will suffer the consequences of her actions this time.

[dan_oc714]

lana did..for being so DAMN nosey.. lol.. i wonder if they'll make her the Queen Bee..

[margroks]

That was total BS. Clark had nothing to do with screwing up Lana unless you coung the repulsive Clana screwing of last night and in season five. Lex has been a bad influence to be sure but Lana Lang has been screwed up and a psychotic manipulative girl since season one. It's disgusting to see Clark make excuses for this nasty girl who kills (Jason's mother-then has Lex and Lionel cover it up), threatens to kill injured men (Lionel in Nemesis and earlier this season when she already had him kidnapped and tortured locking someone's hand in a bear trap) that is not something nice people do. What else? She planned to let Lex die then later lured him to China and planned to kill him, embezzeled, spied on Lex (and yes, Chloe, that does seem depraved), has lied to Clark for years about her illegal and immoral activities.

Let's not forget that she desecrated a dead body when she put it in her car so she could frame Lex for a murder he didn't commit, encouraged Clark to hurt or kill both Lionel and Lex with no thought for what might happen to Clark as a result, either morally or legally. Oh, and she has been unfaithful to every BF we've ever seen, and cheated on Clark with Lex and Lex with Clark. SHe's always been a nasty piece of work and as the producers said early on, Kryptonite works on what's already there; it "enhances sin," is one way they put it. Lana was already like this and she used her position as the pink princess to gain admiration and allow the overlooking of all her many faults and transgressions. Any one of her actions should have meant prison time and there is noexcuse for her. That Clark still made excuses, that he screwed her knowing that the was up to something as he later admitted, trashed his character again. He should have tossed her out on her ear and went straight to the prosecutor himself instead of looking mopey and dithering around. Lana is simply full of crap and as manipulative as Lex. They do belong together.

[ginnyfan]

Who screwed up Lana the most with their lies? Lana Lang. When you're constantly a victim all your whole life... go no further than the mirror. Maybe THAT's why she broke it. *shrug*

[free_emily]

It's kinda funny to me that Lana is judged on a real world standard when the show operates on a comic book plane. In the real world, Lana's level of violence is psychotic. On Smallville, it's just another day of story telling, a manner of facilitating the action.

Lana hasn't been walking the line with saints, but in a sense the person she reminded me of in this episode was Oliver MCQueen.

[Joelito]

Lex....@ least Dumb Alien hide the truth, that's different for actually lie.

[BadToad]

Lana hasn't been walking the line with saints, but in a sense the person she reminded me of in this episode was Oliver MCQueen.

Then, by all means, let her go off to Star City and hang out with him. She's done quite enough damage to Clark.

Last time I checked, Oliver wasn't motivated by personal vengeance. Funny how Lana was A-OK with Lex experimenting on people, and investigating aliens until she personally became a victim.

[Dustmite]

Neither. Lana is responsible for herself, her actions and what she has become.

[freefall]

Originally posted by free_emily
Lana hasn't been walking the line with saints, but in a sense the person she reminded me of in this episode was Oliver MCQueen.

If anything, this episode showed just how different Oliver and Lana are. Both had flat out admitted they wanted to kill Lex, both had said that the world would be a better place without him, Clark gave them both the same speech about how that isn't anyone's decision to make, yes but only Oliver realized in the end that he was utterly wrong in thinking that murder is the way to go.

He didn't blame anything on the drug, unlike Lana who blamed it on the powers instead. Anyone could see Oliver was clearly remorseful over his actions in the end, can't say the same for Lana. And Clark had no problem acknowledging that Oliver's rage towards Lex at least was driven by an honest desire to help people, he definitely couldn't acknowledge the same for Lana.

[msleggie]

I'd say it was neither, Lana is the way she is b/c of herself! But I voted for Lex b/c choosing between Lex and Clark, I don't think Clark did her much damage. Clark protected himself by keeping secrets, Lex was just crazy in everything he did not Lana.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by reobeem
They are equaly are to blame.

Clark lied for good reason. Plus he saved Lana more than enough times to make up for it. When he told her the truth the first time she got killed, then the second time around she just accepted it and seemed fine with it.

Lex did it for his twisted version of love. He also manipulated her into hating Clark. Clark lied but it didn't hurt her as much as Lex. Why make it seem that Lana was only surrounded by Lex and Clark? Were these the only people in her life? Were these the only people who interacted with her? It's not fair to heap everything on Clark and Lex. What, were they pointing gun to her head everytime she made a decision?

And she was also surrounded by good people like the Kents. So no one can make the argument that Lana was never around with good people to be held up as examples.

Current Lana is a product of her own decisions and how she chooses to deal with her problems in life.

She can also choose to change IF she really wants to. Her destiny lies in her own hands.

[CK4eva]

Lex did it more. Although, I think he just brought out who she truly was. I'm not a Lana hater either.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by margroks
That was total BS. Clark had nothing to do with screwing up Lana unless you coung the repulsive Clana screwing of last night and in season five. Lex has been a bad influence to be sure but Lana Lang has been screwed up and a psychotic manipulative girl since season one. It's disgusting to see Clark make excuses for this nasty girl who kills (Jason's mother-then has Lex and Lionel cover it up), threatens to kill injured men (Lionel in Nemesis and earlier this season when she already had him kidnapped and tortured locking someone's hand in a bear trap) that is not something nice people do. What else? She planned to let Lex die then later lured him to China and planned to kill him, embezzeled, spied on Lex (and yes, Chloe, that does seem depraved), has lied to Clark for years about her illegal and immoral activities.

Let's not forget that she desecrated a dead body when she put it in her car so she could frame Lex for a murder he didn't commit, encouraged Clark to hurt or kill both Lionel and Lex with no thought for what might happen to Clark as a result, either morally or legally. Oh, and she has been unfaithful to every BF we've ever seen, and cheated on Clark with Lex and Lex with Clark. SHe's always been a nasty piece of work and as the producers said early on, Kryptonite works on what's already there; it "enhances sin," is one way they put it. Lana was already like this and she used her position as the pink princess to gain admiration and allow the overlooking of all her many faults and transgressions. Any one of her actions should have meant prison time and there is noexcuse for her. That Clark still made excuses, that he screwed her knowing that the was up to something as he later admitted, trashed his character again. He should have tossed her out on her ear and went straight to the prosecutor himself instead of looking mopey and dithering around. Lana is simply full of crap and as manipulative as Lex. They do belong together.

Now that just about sums it up. Nicely put!!

[SmallvilleMan]

No Lana hasn't been fully screwed up since season one.........And unless your proof(margoks) go past her baking a cake for Clark's birthday than she hasn't.........

As for the question, I really don't think Lex is to blame at all......And I think Clark should be blamed some what and Chloe......Clark could have been honest and there would have been no Lexana.........But then again, Lana is responsible for her anger and vengence mindset right now. She needs to learn to let go and of course, Clark can help her with that.

[free_emily]

Originally posted by BadToad
Last time I checked, Oliver wasn't motivated by personal vengeance.
I got the impression that Oliver was very much motivated by personal vengeance. He and Lex have a longstanding history of hostility towards one another. Personal vengeance isn't Oliver's only motivation. But it isn't Lana's either.


Funny how Lana was A-OK with Lex experimenting on people, and investigating aliens until she personally became a victim.
How is this any different than the average American being ok with the torture of enemy combatants? When people are afraid they'll accept things they wouldn't ordinarily accept. Lana was afraid of aliens and Lex preyed on that fear. Much like the Presidential branch of the American government preyed on fear of terrorism being experienced by the American people.

Lex, on more than one occasion, has essentially equated his hunt for aliens and the meteor infected to a hunt for enemy combatants, his own private effort to secure the world from a terrorist threat. Do the ends justify the means? Is Lex really motivated by safeguarding the republic or does he simply have designs on maximizing his personal power?

And Lana was ok with it right up until she developed some empathy. Once what you hate has a face, an identity, a story - suddenly it's a little different. Knowing Clark and knowing some of the victims of Lex's experiments, suddenly the consequences of Lex's actions go from theoretical to personal.

I imagine we'd all feel a little different about something like waterboarding if we had to experience it ourselves. Or if we knew someone who had experienced it.

Lana's story isn't black and white.

[jposey]

In season one, Lana WAS little miss perfect.

[borednow]

Originally posted by free_emily
I got the impression that Oliver was very much motivated by personal vengeance. He and Lex have a longstanding history of hostility towards one another. Personal vengeance isn't Oliver's only motivation. But it isn't Lana's either.

They did have a history, Oliver felt bad about what he did to Lex as a kid, he was the tormentor not the other way around. Oliver had no reason to want vengeance against Lex. Lex did nothing horrible to Oliver. Oliver only wanted Lex gone because he knew what Lex was doing. He knew he was a monster. It wasn't personal by nature, Oliver made it personal because he was so appalled by it.

[freefall]

Originally posted by borednow
They did have a history, Oliver felt bad about what he did to Lex as a kid, he was the tormentor not the other way around. Oliver had no reason to want vengeance against Lex. Lex did nothing horrible to Oliver. Oliver only wanted Lex gone because he knew what Lex was doing. He knew he was a monster. It wasn't personal by nature, Oliver made it personal because he was so appalled by it.

Exactly. Oliver became enraged towards Lex in that episode because he just found out that the doctor had been murdered by Lex just to cover his tracks about the Halfway House business, there's nothing to even suggest that it was because Oliver has some kind of personal vendetta against Lex.

[free_emily]

So Lana wasn't appalled by the things Lex was doing once she realized the true nature of what Lex was up to? Lana isn't allowed to basically wise-up? Lana is hardly the first person to be taken in by Lex's slick rhetoric. Nor is she the first to take desperate measures in an effort to stop him.

How has Oliver been fighting Lex? Spying on Lex. Stealing from Lex. Blowing up buildings that belong to Lex. You can idealize Oliver in an effort to belittle Lana, but Oliver hasn't exactly been marching with the saints either.

There's a thin line between love and hate, moral and immoral, selfish and selfless. But hey, hate on ya'all.

I'm sure it's just an inconsequential, unplanned accident that the show has spent so much time showing Lana is deeply conflicted as opposed to lost entirely to the dark side - black versus white clothing, Lionel's statement about Lana being on the edge of a precipice, the use of Isis whose role in Greek mythology is varied, conflicted.

It's all very hopeless, I'd say. Which makes perfect sense. Superman as a mythology is nothing if not a story of hopeless despair, don't you agree?

BTW, how's the view from the glass house?

[operadiva]

As much a sli would love to blame Lex..i couldn't..she is responsible for making herself react that way...
Should we blame all parents when their kids go off the deep end committing crimes?..i don't think so...Should we blame all husband for making their wives insane and murders...well..we could but we
all know how stupid that sounds..

[migo]

Lex:

Let's see. First he gets the whole Clark/Lana thing going by dropping the line about Whitney.

Then he preys on Lana's frustration with Clark saving him in the episode where those guys tried to rape her.

Then he tries to flat out steal her by paying the girl with the hypnotic stone to get Clark to say he doesn't love her.

Then he goes crazy when Clark tells Lana and they get engaged, and Lana gets killed, so Clark has to go back in time to save her.

Then Lex gets her involved with his alien obsession.

Then he fakes her pregnancy.

[clana4everfan2]

Definitely Lex with the false pregnancy. All his secrets and lies. All Lex does is hurt people with his lies and use her to get info on Clark as in the end of Season 5 and early in Season 6.

[operadiva]

Ok ..who out there doesn't want or wish to blame someone for their mis fourtunes...Raise hands..
My guess is alot..But we don't go whacking people with a shovel across the face..however mush we would like too..

Blaming Lex or Clark is stupid..What happened to Lana taking the blame..i know..it is a werid conscept...

[freefall]

Who's sainting who here? Sure Oliver is no saint, but at least he DOES realize in the end that taking someone down doesn't automatically mean taking that person's life.

He regretted his actions, he showed remorse, blamed only himself for almost killing Lex instead of shifting it to the drug side effects, respected and understood Clark's stand on the whole thing, as well as thanking Clark for making him come to his senses and preventing him from having blood on his hands.

Again I ask you, could you say the same for Lana?


Originally posted by free_emily
How has Oliver been fighting Lex? Spying on Lex. Stealing from Lex. Blowing up buildings that belong to Lex. You can idealize Oliver in an effort to belittle Lana, but Oliver hasn't exactly been marching with the saints either.

You know, you're right. Oliver has done basically the same things that Lana had. Kidnapping people and holding them against their will, robbing, stealing, terrifying and injuring people who got in his way, damaging properties and would have already become a murderer if it wasn't for Clark injecting the healing drug in time. He's even wanted by the Metropolis PD itself as a crime suspect. Oh, and let's not forget AC who sinks whalers and blows up labs.

And yet I can actually believe that people like Oliver and AC are honest with their intentions to do good and help people. Lana, not so much. I mean, come on. These boards are flooded with posts saying that Oliver has been stealing Clark's thunder as a hero the last time he was on Smallville. Have we ever seen people saying Lana is stealing Clark's thunder as a hero? Stealing his balls maybe, but definitely not his thunder.

Not to mention Clark has always stood his ground against Oliver and spoke his mind if they disagree about something. Clark disagreeing and speaking his mind with Lana? I'd pay to see a scene like that. He's just the same old sucker when it comes to her, no matter what she does.

Also, there's a whole world of difference between Superman being a story of inspiration and hope compared to being a story of perpetual stupidity and utter disregard for his own basic principles and morality that he has been brought up with.

[free_emily]

Also, there's a whole world of difference between Superman being a story of inspiration and hope compared to being a story of perpetual stupidity and utter disregard for his own basic principles and morality that he has been brought up with.
If Christ disregarded sinners every time they failed to follow his basic principles and morality, where would his flock be? The point, imo, of a Christ-like figure, is that he does not abandon his flock in their darkest hour, he shepherds them. Clark isn't stupid for standing by Lana. He's showing his faith in humanity.


Not to mention Clark has always stood his ground against Oliver and spoke his mind if they disagree about something. Clark disagreeing and speaking his mind with Lana? I'd pay to see a scene like that. He's just the same old sucker when it comes to her, no matter what she does.
This I agree with. Ironically, it may be Lana herself who gets Clark to do that. He has idealized her and that doesn't help her or anyone else for that matter. There's a difference between idealized and unconditional. Christ is unconditional. That, to me, is part of Clark's journey to Superman. Developing the unconditional, not simply idealizing.


And yet I can actually believe that people like Oliver and AC are honest with their intentions to do good and help people. Lana, not so much. I mean, come on. These boards are flooded with posts saying that Oliver has been stealing Clark's thunder as a hero the last time he was on Smallville. Have we ever seen people saying Lana is stealing Clark's thunder as a hero? Stealing his balls maybe, but definitely not his thunder.
Well, I'm not sure I'd take what's said on these boards as a definitive measure of anything, but that aside, there's a difference in the intended story function for Oliver and for Lana. Oliver's story was about opening Clark's eyes to a more global perspective on heroism. That's not the function of Lana's story. It doesn't mean her efforts are completely absent heroism. I think Lana's intentions, are, in fact, relatively honest. She wants to protect Clark, stop Lex from hurting anyone else...and get a little payback for good measure. And that's where her problem lies. It's personal. Her judgment is impaired. But she's hardly the first or last good person to be momentarily blinded by rage.

To me, Lana is experiencing an extreme , comic book version of the conflict inherent in human nature. On the one hand she's being tempted by the seductive vice of power and selfish interest. On the other, she sees a greater good and wants to be a part of it. The Isis Foundation, among other things, demonstrates the duality, the inner conflict, the struggle to do the right thing when the wrong thing is probably easier, and in some ways more satisfying, or at least immediately gratifying.

I don't think Lana is a hero right now. But that doesn't mean she couldn't become one. And it doesn't mean that everything she has done in pursuit of Lex has been a heinous, evil, ode to darkness.

And in the end, I believe Lana had to really shock Clark with some of her methods in order for Clark to really have a challenge to rise to. Anyone can offer unconditional support to a comfortable, convenient relationship. But Clark must rise up and support Lana in her darkest hour when other people are telling him to abandon her to her sins.

[freefall]

Originally posted by free_emily
If Christ disregarded sinners every time they failed to follow his basic principles and morality, where would his flock be? The point, imo, of a Christ-like figure, is that he does not abandon his flock in their darkest hour, he shepherds them. Clark isn't stupid for standing by Lana. He's showing his faith in humanity.

No, Clark isn't stupid for still wanting to see good in Lana. But he still got to draw a line somewhere and strike a balance.

Like I've said in another post, I'm all for Clark being there for Lana as a friend and help her in whatever way he could. But still continuing in this romantic relationship? Sorry I just can't accept that. Lana doesn't even respect him for his values, which I think the very least that anyone could have done in for his or her significant other.


Originally posted by free_emily
This I agree with. Ironically, it may be Lana herself who gets Clark to do that. He has idealized her and that doesn't help her or anyone else for that matter. There's a difference between idealized and unconditional. Christ is unconditional. That, to me, is part of Clark's journey to Superman. Developing the unconditional, not simply idealizing.

Well, I just think it's somewhat disheartening that Clark still couldn't realize this on his own. Just how many more times and just how many people are going to point this out to him until he takes off his Lana blinders and stop shifting the blame to himself or other people instead for her actions?


Originally posted by free_emily
Well, I'm not sure I'd take what's said on these boards as a definitive measure of anything, but that aside, there's a difference in the intended story function for Oliver and for Lana. Oliver's story was about opening Clark's eyes to a more global perspective on heroism. That's not the function of Lana's story. It doesn't mean her efforts are completely absent heroism. I think Lana's intentions, are, in fact, relatively honest. She wants to protect Clark, stop Lex from hurting anyone else...and get a little payback for good measure. And that's where her problem lies. It's personal. Her judgment is impaired. But she's hardly the first or last good person to be momentarily blinded by rage.

Maybe. But you're the one who brought up Oliver as a comparison to Lana right? For me, I just don't sense any kind of heroism from Lana's actions. She keeps claiming it's because to protect Clark, to protect herself, to protect meteor freaks, to protect the world from the Lex menace. Really and truly? Or is it simply one of those cases where you keep telling yourself stuff that you end up believing it yourself anyway?

Isis Foundation is just a front for Lana, nothing more. If anything, it's yet another similarity with Lex this season. He sets up orphanages, hospitals and whatnots. Lana sets up her Isis Foundation.


Originally posted by free_emily
And in the end, I believe Lana had to really shock Clark with some of her methods in order for Clark to really have a challenge to rise to. Anyone can offer unconditional support to a comfortable, convenient relationship. But Clark must rise up and support Lana in her darkest hour when other people are telling him to abandon her to her sins.

Well, I'm all for Clark supporting Lana and being there for her. Just not by still being a part of this romantic relationship. It's just all kinds of wrong.

[Theshadow129x]

Lana messed up her own life plain and simple. when clark broke up with her in season 5 she chose to put herself in the position to be with lex even though she knew full well what the luthors were capable of. also she knew she shouldnt have tried again with Clark seeing as he always kept stuf from her. she did anyways. Lana messed up her own life. simple and clean

[Runestone]

She screwed herself up. You can't always blame the actions of others on your own shortcomings. She even said this in Wrath.

[dvg89]

Lex did, at least Clark had enough sense not to marry her

[litew8]

Originally posted by operadiva
Ok ..who out there doesn't want or wish to blame someone for their mis fourtunes...Raise hands..
My guess is alot..But we don't go whacking people with a shovel across the face..however mush we would like too..

Blaming Lex or Clark is stupid..What happened to Lana taking the blame..i know..it is a werid conscept... I agree. It's all Lana's fault for allowing it to all happen in the first place. She had the abililty to just walk away, but instead, she insisted on feeding the fire from both sides. And if you REALLY want to lay blame - blame the producers AlMiles.

[free_emily]

Isis Foundation is just a front for Lana, nothing more. If anything, it's yet another similarity with Lex this season. He sets up orphanages, hospitals and whatnots. Lana sets up her Isis Foundation.
Perhaps I have misunderstood the message the show is trying to send. My impression is that Isis is BOTH an opportunity to help the infected heal AND a front for spying on Lex. I drew this conclusion for several reasons. First, the goddess Isis (as Chloe mentioned) serves duel purposes in Egyptian myth. Second, when Chloe went in for her interview (or was she actually there seeking support herself? I kinda thought she was interested in the services until she realized Lana was behind the foundation and then Chloe wanted to keep her personal situation private) there were people in the lobby. The foundation was already providing services. Third, Lana does have a history of volunteerism - blood drives, teen crisis line and so forth. She's not exactly Mother Theresa ministering to the impoverished in the Calcutta slums, but I do think she is a caring, if at times misguided, person. Forth, she didn't really need to Isis Foundation to spy on Lex. She could have put those computers in any old office space. If anything, it would seem that linking the spy operation to the Foundation was risky because it put more people in contact with the office space.



Well, I'm all for Clark supporting Lana and being there for her. Just not by still being a part of this romantic relationship. It's just all kinds of wrong.
To me, the romantic angle is tangential to this particular story. The themes in play like faith, hope, self sacrifice are universal, they aren't limited to a romantic relationship. I don't really care if Clark and Lana romantically linked or not because I don't think it substantially alters what I see as the underlying objective of the story arc - to show that Clark has enough faith in humanity to make himself vulnerable through the act of giving his unconditional support to someone who could very well betray him...or achieve her own redemption with the help of his courage. I would expect Clark to do the same for anyone, whether he was dating the person or not. And I don't think it makes him weak or stupid to love someone who has entered a darker phase in her life.

A few seasons ago when it looked like Chloe was going to turn on Clark by helping Lionel I was not charmed by the idea of Chloe turning evil. But I liked the idea that she might flirt with the dark side only to be brought back to the light by Clark's forgiveness and unconditional support. This story with Clark giving his unconditional support to Lana could have happened with any of the characters.

IMO, the one thing that making it a romantic relationship does is up the degree of difficulty for Clark. To me, it's much harder to be disappointed by someone you love (and idealize) than it is to be disappointed by a stranger or even a friend. If Clark can forgive his love Lana, support her unconditionally and help shepherd her as she seeks her own salvation, then he can do the same for anyone.

And this, to me, would be a tremendous step forward for the future Superman because he's be embracing one of the traits that makes him a hero to the world. Why does the world embrace Superman? Because he embraces the world. All of it. For better and for worse.

[joel_welling93]

Originally posted by free_emily
Perhaps I have misunderstood the message the show is trying to send. My impression is that Isis is BOTH an opportunity to help the infected heal AND a front for spying on Lex. I drew this conclusion for several reasons. First, the goddess Isis (as Chloe mentioned) serves duel purposes in Egyptian myth. Second, when Chloe went in for her interview (or was she actually there seeking support herself? I kinda thought she was interested in the services until she realized Lana was behind the foundation and then Chloe wanted to keep her personal situation private) there were people in the lobby. The foundation was already providing services. Third, Lana does have a history of volunteerism - blood drives, teen crisis line and so forth. She's not exactly Mother Theresa ministering to the impoverished in the Calcutta slums, but I do think she is a caring, if at times misguided, person. Forth, she didn't really need to Isis Foundation to spy on Lex. She could have put those computers in any old office space. If anything, it would seem that linking the spy operation to the Foundation was risky because it put more people in contact with the office space.



To me, the romantic angle is tangential to this particular story. The themes in play like faith, hope, self sacrifice are universal, they aren't limited to a romantic relationship. I don't really care if Clark and Lana romantically linked or not because I don't think it substantially alters what I see as the underlying objective of the story arc - to show that Clark has enough faith in humanity to make himself vulnerable through the act of giving his unconditional support to someone who could very well betray him...or achieve her own redemption with the help of his courage. I would expect Clark to do the same for anyone, whether he was dating the person or not. And I don't think it makes him weak or stupid to love someone who has entered a darker phase in her life.

A few seasons ago when it looked like Chloe was going to turn on Clark by helping Lionel I was not charmed by the idea of Chloe turning evil. But I liked the idea that she might flirt with the dark side only to be brought back to the light by Clark's forgiveness and unconditional support. This story with Clark giving his unconditional support to Lana could have happened with any of the characters.

IMO, the one thing that making it a romantic relationship does is up the degree of difficulty for Clark. To me, it's much harder to be disappointed by someone you love (and idealize) than it is to be disappointed by a stranger or even a friend. If Clark can forgive his love Lana, support her unconditionally and help shepherd her as she seeks her own salvation, then he can do the same for anyone.

And this, to me, would be a tremendous step forward for the future Superman because he's be embracing one of the traits that makes him a hero to the world. Why does the world embrace Superman? Because he embraces the world. All of it. For better and for worse.

Very well put..... Superman doesn't just save the day but he saves people from darkness..... From getting consumed in themselves......

[freefall]

Originally posted by free_emily
Perhaps I have misunderstood the message the show is trying to send. My impression is that Isis is BOTH an opportunity to help the infected heal AND a front for spying on Lex. I drew this conclusion for several reasons. First, the goddess Isis (as Chloe mentioned) serves duel purposes in Egyptian myth. Second, when Chloe went in for her interview (or was she actually there seeking support herself? I kinda thought she was interested in the services until she realized Lana was behind the foundation and then Chloe wanted to keep her personal situation private) there were people in the lobby. The foundation was already providing services. Third, Lana does have a history of volunteerism - blood drives, teen crisis line and so forth. She's not exactly Mother Theresa ministering to the impoverished in the Calcutta slums, but I do think she is a caring, if at times misguided, person. Forth, she didn't really need to Isis Foundation to spy on Lex. She could have put those computers in any old office space. If anything, it would seem that linking the spy operation to the Foundation was risky because it put more people in contact with the office space.

If she really is honest about her intentions with helping people with the Isis Foundation, then why would it be problem for her to tell Clark about it? Her excuse is total ********, saying that Clark would try to stop her and things like that. He had no problems with it, when Lana said she wanted to go out and save the world.

So while I absolutely have no problem acknowledging Lana's previous contributions to the society, in this particular issue where Isis Foundation is concerned, I just can't see how is it that Lana is also helping and protecting people while spying on Lex at the same time.


Originally posted by free_emily
To me, the romantic angle is tangential to this particular story. The themes in play like faith, hope, self sacrifice are universal, they aren't limited to a romantic relationship. I don't really care if Clark and Lana romantically linked or not because I don't think it substantially alters what I see as the underlying objective of the story arc - to show that Clark has enough faith in humanity to make himself vulnerable through the act of giving his unconditional support to someone who could very well betray him...or achieve her own redemption with the help of his courage. I would expect Clark to do the same for anyone, whether he was dating the person or not. And I don't think it makes him weak or stupid to love someone who has entered a darker phase in her life.

Like I've said before, I've never thought it was stupid for Clark to still have love and have faith for someone who has turned to the dark side. In fact, that's actually one of his most recognizable quality, and one of the most enduring.

But there's still a line that has be drawn. Remember Alicia? He loved her, and yet he still reported her to the sherriff anyway after he was led to believe Alicia was the one who attempted murder of both Lana and Jason.

That's what I want to see from Clark. He wants to continue in this relationship, then go ahead. It's his right. But he got to put his foot down in matters like this and have the assurance that at the VERY least, Lana respects that instead of calling him a coward because of those values he holds. The values that his own father and mother have instilled in him since he was a child.

Heck, at this point I don't even care anymore that Lana wouldn't even try to agree on his principles but at least get her to understand and respect that. If not, I just don't see what's the point of this relationship continuing. It just makes Clark look like a stupid wuss who has no backbone whatsoever.


Originally posted by free_emily
IMO, the one thing that making it a romantic relationship does is up the degree of difficulty for Clark. To me, it's much harder to be disappointed by someone you love (and idealize) than it is to be disappointed by a stranger or even a friend. If Clark can forgive his love Lana, support her unconditionally and help shepherd her as she seeks her own salvation, then he can do the same for anyone.

And this, to me, would be a tremendous step forward for the future Superman because he's be embracing one of the traits that makes him a hero to the world. Why does the world embrace Superman? Because he embraces the world. All of it. For better and for worse.

Superman embraces the world yes, but not with utter blindness. He does have his own code of honour to live by.

[denkim42]

We all get too caught up in Clana Love.

We musn't forget that Lana's childhood was a tragic one because she lost her parent's in the Meteor Shower. Who's fault was this?
I don't know how Krypton got destroyed. But if Clark was never sent to Earth, then maybe Lana's parents would still be alive.

So I say Clark screwed up Lana's life first.
Lex screwed up her post adolescent life.

She is just one screwed up woman. I feel so sorry for her.

[free_emily]

If she really is honest about her intentions with helping people with the Isis Foundation, then why would it be problem for her to tell Clark about it? Her excuse is total ********, saying that Clark would try to stop her and things like that. He had no problems with it, when Lana said she wanted to go out and save the world.
First, I have no trouble accepting, as one element of Lana's thinking, her belief that Clark would think the good work was too dangerous. From what we've seen on screen, most people who are meteor-infected use their powers in a harmful way.

But obviously that's not all of it. Lana also has a vested interest in keeping Clark in the dark about the spy-on-Lex room because it's shady and she knows it. (Which opens up plenty of questions about people like Oliver and Chloe who have also spied on people, but that's another matter.) It's also dangerous. Even if Lana had been using legal methods to purse justice for Lex, Clark wouldn't have been happy because he doesn't want Lana putting herself at risk by attempting to take down Lex.

If Lana were to tell Clark about her good intentions with the Isis Foundation, she'd basically be inviting him to learn about her shadier tactics too. Lana knows about Clark's x-ray ability. So she knows that having him anywhere near the building to appreciate the finer side of her work would also jeopardize her attempts achieving retribution against Lex.

As I've said before, I don't think Lana's intentions can be categorized exclusively one way - good or evil. Right now I think she's at a crossroads where she's at cross purposes, she's good AND evil. But I don't think she can walk the line forever. She's either swallowed up by her hatred for Lex, thereby condemning herself to basically becoming the very thing she despises or she fills her heart with love and faith and finds a greater purpose. To me, it could go either way.

The deciding factor, imo, is Clark. Who wins a battle for someone's soul, Lex or Clark?

Does obsession outlast love? (I use the term "love" in a general sense, not specifically related to romance.) To me, vengeful obsession can only be present in the absence of love, faith, hope. These are all things Clark can help Lana find. And more generally, these are things that the future Superman helps humanity find and hold on to.


Heck, at this point I don't even care anymore that Lana wouldn't even try to agree on his principles but at least get her to understand and respect that. If not, I just don't see what's the point of this relationship continuing. It just makes Clark look like a stupid wuss who has no backbone whatsoever.
I didn't take Lana's "get blood on your hands" literally. To me her point was that there's so much more Clark could be doing to stop people like Lex. Lana's hardly the first to make this observation. Oliver, the rest of the Justice League, Chloe, young Ryan. And how many other characters have basically told Clark to go out into the world with his powers? There's not question that Clark has made a difference locally, protected his loved ones. But does he have an obligation to do more? To be a global presence?

It's an interesting question. I'm not sure where I stand on it. Would it be ok if Clark decided to be a farmer instead of a superhero? Is a global impact a superior impact?

One thing I do find ironic is that I think many of the people who have characterized Lana as "disrespectful" of Clark's choices would be up in arms of Clark continued to make the same choices - stay on the farm, raise a crop each season, have superbabies, protect his loved ones and call it a good life. And imo, it would be a good life. It just might not be the best life. But who's to determine that and what is it being judged on? What's "best"?




Superman embraces the world yes, but not with utter blindness. He does have his own code of honour to live by.
IMO, Clark's code is not in any way diminished by standing by someone who is fighting their darkness. Someone else failing is not his failure. To me, what WOULD compromise Clark's code, what would be a failure on his part, is if he were to abandon someone in their time of need.

Lana could go either way. Clark's example, his strength, his courage, these are all things that could help Lana choose to get out of the gutter and take the high road.

Anyway, I think clearly we are at an impasse. No harm, no foul. I can appreciate your desire to see Clark's integrity and moral code kept in tact. I just don't think Clark giving Lana unconditional support compromises it.

I also don't think Lana is irredeemably evil. A person of Clark's character can help her find salvation. A true test of Superman's faith in humanity and the power of hope and faith.

It's all good. In the end, Lana is either an evil shrew and lots of people on this board see their fondest wish come true OR Clark does something truly heroic and helps Lana get back on the right path. And I would think Clark doing something truly heroic would be even better than Lana being an evil shrew. Or maybe no?

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by borednow
While that may actually be true for my post it isn't why I posted it. I dislike Clana but who do I feel is responsible for Clark sitting at home instead of becoming a superhero? That would be Clark. Who is responsible for Lex becoming evil? That would be Lex. Who is responsible for the Chimmy break up? Chloe and Jimmy. I think people need to take responsibility for there own actions. Yeah Lex is responsible for what he did and so is Clark but they are not responsible for what Lana does.

BRAVO!!!


Originally posted by ginnyfan
Who screwed up Lana the most with their lies? Lana Lang. When you're constantly a victim all your whole life... go no further than the mirror. Maybe THAT's why she broke it. *shrug*

When your constantly a victim your whole life.....LOL. I love it!!! That is something that my sister and I have laughed at since season 1. Anytime Lana has cried or carried that tortured look on her face we would just laugh!

"Oh there goes Lana....the victim!"

"Lana's always gotta be the victim!"

Lana has completely screwed herself up......it was NOT LEX OR CLARK!!!

[freefall]

Originally posted by free_emily
I didn't take Lana's "get blood on your hands" literally. To me her point was that there's so much more Clark could be doing to stop people like Lex. Lana's hardly the first to make this observation. Oliver, the rest of the Justice League, Chloe, young Ryan. And how many other characters have basically told Clark to go out into the world with his powers? There's not question that Clark has made a difference locally, protected his loved ones. But does he have an obligation to do more? To be a global presence?

You brought up Oliver once again, so naturally I'd also have to repeat what makes the whole world of difference between people like Oliver and Lana when it comes to Clark.

Despite their differences, Oliver respects Clark a lot and his stand on things, he doesn't even imply in the slightest that Clark is a coward for not wanting to kill even if it's for justice, in fact he thanked Clark for making him to come to his senses and preventing him from becoming a murderer.

Oliver had never once blamed anything on the drug side effects, he only blamed himself. And when Clark told them at the end of Justice he still had to stay back instead of joining them, Oliver didn't drip venom on him and simply told Clark they'd be waiting for him.

So I ask again, could you say the same for Lana? Has Lana ever showed the slightest the kind of respect that Oliver has shown towards Clark?


Originally posted by free_emily
It's an interesting question. I'm not sure where I stand on it. Would it be ok if Clark decided to be a farmer instead of a superhero? Is a global impact a superior impact?

Since this is the future Superman we're talking about, and not just some superpowered Farmer Joe, you'd have to forgive me for not being able to wait for the time when he would finally decide on his own and for the right reasons to go out, see the world and use his abilities for good on a global scale.

I would absolutely have no problem with the likes of Peter Petrelli or Hiro Nakamura if they just wanted to stay home and live in the past with all these amazing powers they have, and yet even they don't do that. :)


Originally posted by free_emily
I also don't think Lana is irredeemably evil. A person of Clark's character can help her find salvation. A true test of Superman's faith in humanity and the power of hope and faith.

We're definitely at an impasse. For me the true test of Clark's character on Smallville is whether he could actually be there for Lana AND keep his values intact as well as his self-respect, especially as a man who has been brought up by the Kents.

I have no pride for Clark when he keeps trying to make all these pathetic excuses for Lana's wrongdoings and condoning her actions, or shifting the blame to other people or himself. That's not him being supportive or being there for Lana, let alone being a future Superman, it's simply him making a total wuss out of himself.

[free_emily]

I have no pride for Clark when he keeps trying to make all these pathetic excuses for Lana's wrongdoings and condoning her actions, or shifting the blame to other people or himself. That's not him being supportive or being there for Lana, let alone being a future Superman, it's simply him making a total wuss out of himself.
But that's my point, Clark needs to stop idealizing Lana and start supporting her unconditionally. So far, he hasn't really helped her, he has just enabled her by turning a blind eye or blaming himself.

He could say something like, "what you did was ugly and I didn't like it, but I'm going to stand by you and help you get back on the right track."

This, imo, is another example of the Christ parallel. Christ doesn't blame himself for the sins of his flock. He offers forgiveness for the sins and then he shepherds the flock, providing guidance on the road to redemption. Basically, it's a matter of condemning the sin, not the sinner.

As far as the Oliver stuff goes, I'll have to go back and rewatch some of his episodes so I can provide more concrete examples. I don't have a clear picture in my mind of the specifics, only my recollected reactions to what I saw.

As I recall, there was a point when Ollie was juicing and it was causing some rage problems. Not exactly the same as Lana, but along the same lines. And while Ollie's questioning of Clark may not have had the venom in it that Lana's statements did, I also don't think Ollie had as many aggravating factors weighing on him as Lana does. Lana is further down the dark path than Ollie. Lana is more conflicted than Ollie. But that doesn't mean any good in Lana should be discounted/dismissed.

I'm really not trying to argue that Lana is walking with the saints here. I'm just saying that I believe the intent of the show is demonstrate a young woman who is deeply conflicted and on the brink of self destruction. She's got some good in her. She's got some not so good in her. I think that's fairly human. Normal. The question how do the scales tip - towards good or not good? In Wrath the scales were tipping towards not good. Is it too late to go back? I guess we'll find out.

But I really can't see the show resolving this story arch with what amounts to a Lex victory. If Lana is lost, if she cannot be redeemed, it's a victory for a the selfish, power hungry, lustful, greedy, arrogant world view that Lex wants to rule with.

If Lana finds salvation it is a victory for hope and faith and trust. And it is a lesson for Clark. Idealizing someone is not a benevolent act. For anyone involved.

[supergirl28]

Lex of coause, what kind of a bas*** would do a thing like that? he'd at the bottom of my list

[kryptonaidxh]

:D :( Come on!, the evil b**ch is responsible for herself, nobody else has the fault of everything she has done and screwed, nobody forced her to date Lex, and if she was naive and stupid to believe in Lex´s lies that was her own fault, also nobody forced her to sleep with her and trheaten Dr. Groll in order to help Lex either.
And we don´t need to blame Clark also, he blames himself:p :lol:
like in this episode he blamed himself and blamed Lex for Lana´s evilness, he had to apologize her, and anyway she excuses herself too, under the argument that she did it to "protect the man she loves":rolleyes: :lol: , I wonder if that includes o hurt inocent people like Lois and the same Clark.:p :)

[Serynarpc]

Lana screwed Lana up.

She chose to end it with Clark and she chose to end end it with Lex. Granted, they both inflicted her with their secrets, but shes n angel. She doesn't *need* a man- extensive psycho therapy is what she needs to stop making bad decisions.

[kentfamily]

Lex was the one who messed up Lana's mind. He had her thinking that she was pregnant and then to find out that she was never pregnant. Then there was Lionel who used her to get information about Lex and his secret experiments and all. Lex even said to Lionel, I am being a Luthor. Lex even said he watched how Lionel treated his mother.

It was nobody's fault that Lana's parent were killed. It was unfortunate that they were at the wrong spot at the wrong time. They could have started running when they saw the meteors BUT they chose to stand there like stupid fools.

You wouldnt you start running for cover if you saw something falling from the sky? Jor-El didnt say, " Hey! there's Lana's parents, let's shoot a meteor towards them and kill them!" It was not Clark's fault.

Lana is the one that makes her destiny. She chose to marry Lex and she was weak to fall for Lionel's threat.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by free_emily
But that's my point, Clark needs to stop idealizing Lana and start supporting her unconditionally. So far, he hasn't really helped her, he has just enabled her by turning a blind eye or blaming himself.

I wouldn't sayt support. I would say start disciplining her and teaching her unconditionally. He should not support her behavior but rectify it and stand up against it in a way that will force her to see what she has become and start improving herself. She has rarely apologized in the past, and the few times she did, it was after Clark or someone else apologized to her after she was the one who started it (like suggesting that Clark's biological father may be a murderer in Relic and later showing up & apologizing after Clark apologized for getting mad (which he was right to be after she came to him like that with her accusations of his biological father). She has to learn to accept responsibility of her actions as the first step of improving. This is something she has failed to do.

He could say something like, "what you did was ugly and I didn't like it, but I'm going to stand by you and help you get back on the right track."

I wouldn't have a problem with this. But he should let her know that he won't tolerate behavior like that again.

This, imo, is another example of the Christ parallel. Christ doesn't blame himself for the sins of his flock. He offers forgiveness for the sins and then he shepherds the flock, providing guidance on the road to redemption. Basically, it's a matter of condemning the sin, not the sinner.

Yes, you made a pretty good example. He has to let her know what she will be losing if she does this again. But things need to get ugly before they can get better. The problem is, at this point in time, he doesn't want to get his hands dirty in cleaning up Lana's life. If he was willing to do that, he would have electrocuted her with kryptonite to take the powers back as soon as possible to prevent any potential health risks to her and any misuse of his powers. And going forward, he needs to take her to a psychiatrist so she can finally work out her problems. She has had problems ever since her parents died. Until these are resolved, she will never be able to live a normal & fulfilling life.

As far as the Oliver stuff goes, I'll have to go back and rewatch some of his episodes so I can provide more concrete examples. I don't have a clear picture in my mind of the specifics, only my recollected reactions to what I saw.

Ollie taking that drug in Rage was a bit similar to Lana's misuse of Clark's powers. His motive for it was to be able to be a hero without having to worry about getting shot. Lana may think her goals in using Clark's powers to kill Lex was to save the world, but in reality, we know that it's revenge. Vengeance is clouding her judgment and all her evil actions are being justified by her saying that she's protecting the world from Lex/Lionel. This is where they differ. Ollie was in fact using it to do good. But what they have in common is that they are both wrong. Ollie was wrong for taking a drug that he knew would result in rage outbreaks while Lana is wrong for justifying evil actions by saying she did it for Clark. Attacking Lois, who has nothing to do with her revenge on Lex was wrong. What she saw in Lois was a person who could & would expose her, so that's probably why she took her out. This is the same evil that Lionel described was in him in a deleted scene for Scare in the prison. There's no denying that she is deep into dark territory for her to attack someone she felt was in her way (Lois).

As I recall, there was a point when Ollie was juicing and it was causing some rage problems. Not exactly the same as Lana, but along the same lines. And while Ollie's questioning of Clark may not have had the venom in it that Lana's statements did, I also don't think Ollie had as many aggravating factors weighing on him as Lana does. Lana is further down the dark path than Ollie. Lana is more conflicted than Ollie. But that doesn't mean any good in Lana should be discounted/dismissed.

There is good in her and she is still capable of saving, but right now she is far more evil than good. And she needs to be called on it. Chloe did, but the problem is Lana doesn't care what Chloe thinks of her. Clark needs to do it. When he does, then things will change. He is the last thing she has that she trusts and maybe cares for (I'm not even sure about that after she attacked him too).

I'm really not trying to argue that Lana is walking with the saints here. I'm just saying that I believe the intent of the show is demonstrate a young woman who is deeply conflicted and on the brink of self destruction. She's got some good in her. She's got some not so good in her. I think that's fairly human. Normal. The question how do the scales tip - towards good or not good? In Wrath the scales were tipping towards not good. Is it too late to go back? I guess we'll find out.

Well, that's the intent of the show in regards to Lana. The overall intent should still be about Clark's life prior to becoming Superman and showing how Lex becomes the evil maniac. I think another complaint is that they're focusing so much on showing Lana as evil and not enough on Lex that she is starting to look like Clark's enemy. And if they don't change things soon and the show abruptly ends due to the strike and the failure of the CW network, then we will have a show ending with Lana as Sageeth and Lex as a goofball.

But I really can't see the show resolving this story arch with what amounts to a Lex victory. If Lana is lost, if she cannot be redeemed, it's a victory for a the selfish, power hungry, lustful, greedy, arrogant world view that Lex wants to rule with.

Well, I didn't want Lana to end up like that or even be shown to do any of the things she's done this season. They have failed with her and failed showing Clark being able to leave her behind without having her turn evil. Classically Clark's (and Superman's) greatest love is his love to help humans and the world. Yet so far, the way they're writing Smallville, it currently seems like Clark would not become Superman had Lana not become evil and broken his ideal image of her. I'm not saying this is how it will be, but how it's currently set up as. I can't honestly say that this Clark would be willing to leave the farm if Lana would not be portrayed the way she is this season. I think this is a horrible way to write him (if they make his leaving the farm be based on being repelled by Lana's nature) and a total copout.

Al & Miles said the show will end badly, so if this is what they meant, then I think they've made a big mistake and didn't deserve to have the right to make such a show in the first place. A story on Clark becoming Superman should not end badly, but with plenty of hope & inspiration.

If Lana finds salvation it is a victory for hope and faith and trust. And it is a lesson for Clark. Idealizing someone is not a benevolent act. For anyone involved.

Instead of being shown to be evil, I think they should have made Lana get professional help this season and start doing something good with her life. One positive way to have done this would have been for her to start working at Belle Reve after getting her professional help there and realizing the corruption (that she was obviously blind to in Tomb) and starting to do something about it, partly to impress Clark so she could win him back. But while doing that, he would be training and taking on bigger threats and eventually leave the farm to become a hero and leave her behind. It would be a little tragic regarding Lana, but Superman is not about satisfying her but about helping the world by defeating evil.

At this point after all they've done to Lana and especially with the strike going on and this season being 7 episodes shorter than usual, I don't think it's worth salvaging Lana and taking away valuable screen time to much more important matters.

[DreadShamus]

Lex. Clark was honest but had to change time because Lex killed Lana afterwards. Plus, Lex used Clark's secret to drive her away from Clark.

[All about Clark]

Lana is responsible for Lana, however Lex did use manipulation to get Lana to react in certain ways. Lex has also used his influence on her to act in darker ways. He taught her what money and power can get you. It's like he's been teaching her to be like him. Clark has never had that type of agenda. He simply wanted to keep his secret private and hid his powers and usage of those powers to save others. He essentially didn't allow Lana in and that is far different from anything that Lex did. Lex didn't really let Lana in either however, he did provide a false sense of letting her in. He essentially gave her what she needed when Clark couldn't or wouldn't.

[Darc Kent]

I agree with most of you all..Lana is responsible for Lana, but at the sametime your past and present does shape who you will be in the future. With that being said Lex did seriously scar Lana emotionally so I think he is more of the blame. But then again thats just my opinion.

[Valerie]

We may not be able to control what is done to us, however we can choose how we react to it. Therefore Lana is responsible for Lana being screwed up.

Clark is enabling her bad behavior by not repremending her for it. Instead he blames himself and others. This doesn't help Lana at all. It only enables her to continue her bad behavior.

Lex seems to be proud of the way Lana is behaving. He may have nagatively influenced her, but she can still choose how to react to that influence.

The biggest problem with Lana, and the reason why there seems to be so much Lana hate, is that Lana is rarely or never held accountable for her behavior. If another character screws up Clark will have words with them at least, but with Lana he just makes excuses for her.

[ClareKent]

I agree, Lana is responsible for the road that she choose: take vengeance on Lex, who did screw her with the fake pregnancy and all that but she made her own choices.

[minerva73]

I agree that Lana is responsible for being at the point that she is right now, but she has partially taken responsibility at the same time. When Clark tried to make it seem like he was the reason for Lana doing all those things to Lex, Lana said that it was all her fault and she's not going to apologize for it. Then in the next episode (Blue), Lana went to Clark and said that she was feeling kinda bad or whatever because she feels like she's taken a bad path and she can't come back from it.

But since I'm gonna vote in the poll, I say Clark. My reason is that Clark pushed Lana to Lex to make him lie to her. I know that the whole Lana pushed herself to Lex to make him lie to her because she said that she didn't want him anymore in "Void", but about one or two episodes before he told her that he didn't love her anymore while Lana was perfectly fine in their relationship even if Clark was lying to Lana about his life.

[KrissO]

"Responsible" is is a very general word.
You might as well say, everyone in the world is responsible for their own actions.
I am responsible for my own actions, and I have no problem admitting that!
However I haven't been through anywhere near what Lana has been through, as you described above.
And in the end... Lana couldn't get Clark's trust... so she ended up with Lex instead. Can't blame her for wanting trust.


Originally posted by Coyote
I think it's cumulative from many different influences, not just Clark and Lex. Lana has been through more trauma than a combat veteran. Her parents were killed by the meteor, then she finds Henry Small and that loser abandons her. She's had several dead boyfriends, a couple of whom turned out to be homicidal. She's been attacked and kidnapped by countless meteor freaks, aliens, and human psychos. A boyfriend that turns out to be a space alien. A dangerous psycho billionaire ex husband. It's no wonder the poor girl has gotten rather "defensive."

Good points! Although we all wish she had gone legal ways with her revenge.


Originally posted by Valerie
I mean come on.. she was three when they died.
She saw them explode with her own eyes.


Originally posted by kryptonaidxh
in fact she was the first one who was willing to sleep and date with him.
so don´t look for an excuse about her evil behavior.:p :)
Absolutely not. Atleast on the sleep part ;)


Originally posted by margroks
That was total BS. Clark had nothing to do with screwing up Lana unless you coung the repulsive Clana screwing of last night and in season five. Lex has been a bad influence to be sure but Lana Lang has been screwed up and a psychotic manipulative girl since season one. It's disgusting to see Clark make excuses for this nasty girl who kills (Jason's mother-then has Lex and Lionel cover it up), threatens to kill injured men (Lionel in Nemesis and earlier this season when she already had him kidnapped and tortured locking someone's hand in a bear trap) that is not something nice people do. What else? She planned to let Lex die then later lured him to China and planned to kill him, embezzeled, spied on Lex (and yes, Chloe, that does seem depraved), has lied to Clark for years about her illegal and immoral activities.

Let's not forget that she desecrated a dead body when she put it in her car so she could frame Lex for a murder he didn't commit, encouraged Clark to hurt or kill both Lionel and Lex with no thought for what might happen to Clark as a result, either morally or legally. Oh, and she has been unfaithful to every BF we've ever seen, and cheated on Clark with Lex and Lex with Clark. SHe's always been a nasty piece of work and as the producers said early on, Kryptonite works on what's already there; it "enhances sin," is one way they put it. Lana was already like this and she used her position as the pink princess to gain admiration and allow the overlooking of all her many faults and transgressions. Any one of her actions should have meant prison time and there is noexcuse for her. That Clark still made excuses, that he screwed her knowing that the was up to something as he later admitted, trashed his character again. He should have tossed her out on her ear and went straight to the prosecutor himself instead of looking mopey and dithering around. Lana is simply full of crap and as manipulative as Lex. They do belong together.

Obviously you're not a big Lana fan, regardless if she hadn't had bad actions.
But a few comments. It wasn't Lana who killed Genevieve. It was the countess (Isobel) who posessed Lana with her spirit when they started fighting in her apartment.
About Clark, his mission was to gather the elements and keep them out of humans reach, ESPECIALLY a decendant of Duchess Gertrude. The Crystal of Knowledge? The Fortress of Solitude. Ring any bells??? Good thing Isobel killed Genevieve.
Lana didn't ask Lionel to clean it up... he did without her even knowing.
Lana wanted Lex in jail obviously, hence the framing.
Having a gun in China was a good precaution. As we've seen so far... she hasn't had the guts to kill Lex conciously. And about the dead body, that happened to be Lana's clone...

Sorry, it just seems like you're twisting, exagerating and ignoring everything. Clean facts I would have no problems with.


Originally posted by seacrystal

So I ask again, could you say the same for Lana? Has Lana ever showed the slightest the kind of respect that Oliver has shown towards Clark?

Sure she has. That's what it's been all about these years. She's been so patient with Clark about his secret. But Clark has always seemed to have terrible timing.
Can't blame Lana for not understanding that... until she actually knew.

free_emily, I agree with a lot that you say. And about Clark. IMO he's become a big pussy. In Mortal he even worked with Lex, and they seemed to "get along". What kinda joke is that? Well surely he was trying to save Chloe... in co-operation with the man who ABDUCTED her because of the meteor-infection (which in Mortal Chloe thought she was going to get removed)

I almost miss the old days when Clark stormed into the mansion accusing Lex of things.
Since day one the Luthors have always been evil and done terrible things. But in only a few episodes, Lana is judged as a horrible person for wanting some revenge.
I'm sure she could have put Lex in the car and blown him up instead. Instead she wanted him framed in jail, where he belongs.

I feel too many people (with exceptions) have come with the obvious "Lana is responsible" comment, so there's mine.

[darkone]

Lex but atleast he suffered alot for it.

[abbaspice1]

Lana is responsible fr Lana. Just as everyone else is responsible for his/her decisions. Neither Clark or Lex should be blamed for Lana's decisions.

[RedKRules]

Both ...

[Bingo]

Clark.

[hadezown]

If it wasn't for Clark's idiocy, Lana wouldn't have run to Lex and got screwed over. Basically both. But Clark's lies were so blatantly obvious, it eventually rubbed off on Lana so she grew to spite all men she was with. 60% Clark, 30% Lex, 10% Ackles

[Simba_Muffy]

Lana screwed Lana. She's a hypocrite, like everyone else on the show. Not once did she question her husband Lex like she kept questioning her EX boyfriend Clark! WTF? It also wasn't her god given right to know Clark's secret. Lana is crazy, period.

[hadezown]

There were many times Lana confronted Lex about keeping secrets. Like how he got the military involved with the spacecraft from the 2nd meteor shower without telling her. But I think a part of her actually enjoyed the secrecy of being Luthor which was why she didn't come pounding at the door like she did with Clark. She wanted to play Lex just as much as he played her. Yes it was Lana's decision to steal the 10 million, fake her death and hide her new "organization", but I mean she learned from the best. Clark the liar, Lex the master of the coup, throw in Lionel and that whole thing with Jason. Blam smack, you got screwy Lana.

[Simba_Muffy]

There were many times Lana confronted Lex about keeping secrets. Like how he got the military involved with the spacecraft from the 2nd meteor shower without telling her. But I think a part of her actually enjoyed the secrecy of being Luthor which was why she didn't come pounding at the door like she did with Clark. She wanted to play Alex just as much as he played her. Yes it was Lana's decision to steal the 10 million, fake her death and hide her new "organization", but I mean she learned from the best. Clark the liar, Lex the master of the coup, throw in Lionel and that whole thing with Jason. Blum smack, you got screwy Lana.

No, she did not! Once or twice at most. She cared more about what Clark was doing more than Lex! She had no right to question Clark after she married another man. Lana also had no right to tell Clark her business either. You didn't see Martha worrying about what an ex boyfriend was hiding more than what Jonathan was hiding. Lana is crazy. You cannot blame all her faults on other people.

[hadezown]

She is crazy on some level and I agree that Lana shouldn't have been on Clark's case while she was enganged, but I still stand by what I said that it's the men in her life that pushed her to where she is, was, was in the season, whatever. People are naturally influenced by the people they live with, their faults have a good chance of becoming your faults.

[Overcast 86]

I believe Clark had something to do with messing Lana up, but that's just because he lied to her in order to protect her from danger. But Clark is a terrible liar, and she always suspected that he was different. The Lex thing was just Icing on the cake.

But the comic book/Smallville Lana does have a type... she likes to fall for the ones that don't last. Clark is with Lois, Lex is evil, Whitney's dead, and Pete is in jail.

You know, I feel that Lana wouldn't be so messed up if Clark would have just erased her memory like Superman did to Lois in Superman 2.

In seasons 1-7 Clark could take Lana to the Fortress for a weekly mind wipe.:lol:

[Simba_Muffy]

She is crazy on some level and I agree that Lana shouldn't have been on Clark's case while she was engaged, but I still stand by what I said that it's the men in her life that pushed her to where she is, was, was in the season, whatever. People are naturally influenced by the people they live with, their faults have a good chance of becoming your faults.

Another thing. It wasn't Lana's god given right to know Clark's secret. That his personal business. Any other man should have told her get off their back! Most would probably ban her from their lives for life.:rotfl:

Did Clark question her all the time? Juts thinking about the Lana character makes me want to break a window!