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Demne

11-09-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by margroks
The Earth tremor Clana sex was rude, offensive and the vulgar. It wasn't funny, it was sick. Even ignoring the fact that Smallvile and the Kent farm would have been totalled by it, (and the fact that Clark should have been careful for that very reason) it was all kinds of wrong. KNowing that Eric went crazy when he got Clark's opowers and that his own father ultimately dies as a result of having them for only a short while, Clark was a selfish bastard to screw this nasty girl wihtout concern for her health or the consequences of her being super powered.

The oh, we were busy doesn't cut it. Heroes are on call 24/7 and it's like being a doctor; when you are needed, you answer the call. He was wrong not to take two seconds to answer the cell and he had to know it was Chloe since all these people have distinctive ring tones. Chleo could have been calling because Zod or Brainiac or Bizarro had returned or there was a Zoner or she herself or his mom or Ollie was in mortal danger. And he had to know Chloe would make the long drive to SV to make sure he was okay, that, too was thoughtless and uncaring. This ep revealed a Clark that is a comepletely thoughtless and selfish jerk and the Clana sex was even more repulsive than it was the first time. The fact that he later admitted he knew she was off somehow makes it even worse.

Ever notice it is the females whining about it?

OMG It was not rude, it was not gross, it was not nasty.

Clark has wanted Lana since he was like 5. Lana has been torn between Clark for years, they had sex before.. they are back together.. and now she has super powers.. Her first instinct is to have fun with Clark with it. That is sexy as hell.

Yea later she let it get to her head, but the first thing she did was use it with Clark in a fun, sexy, foreplay way.. and I for one.. think that those type of things spark fun and intimacy in a relationship and keep it lasting for a long time.

Not saying later on in the episode counted, but in general.. What they did was totally normal and they both live in the same house. They did NOTHING wrong except have fun together and damn well they should be, for 7 episodes they never even kissed! They finally have a fun episode, which made me finally enjoy a scene with Lana in it.

samwinchestermustdie

11-09-2007, 09:21 AM

it was like jurassic park and it was awesome i just wish that there was some jello on the talon counter.

LovelyLoisLane

11-09-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Demne
Ever notice it is the females whining about it?

. . . It was not rude, it was not gross, it was not nasty.

. . . they had sex before.. they are back together.. and now she has super powers.. Her first instinct is to have fun with Clark with it. That is sexy as hell.

. . . What they did was totally normal and they both live in the same house. They did NOTHING wrong except have fun together and damn well they should be, for 7 episodes they never even kissed!

While I agree with a lot of your post, let's lay off sexist comments like 'it is the females whining about it' I'm a female, here is me not whining about Clana sex.

I agree that it wasn't that strange, them having sex, shaking up Smallville was a little unnecessary but whatever, it didn't bother me that much. You're right, they hadn't kissed at all before this episode and almost seemed like they were living in "Leave it To Beaver" or the "Stepford" back in the fifties where even husbands and wives were shown to sleep in separate beds and rarely even gave one another a peck on the cheek. I'm kewl with a dating couple, especially a couple living together, having sex.

operadiva

11-09-2007, 09:32 AM

That Clan scene was what less than 2mins..Ok so Now All Clanas get to enjoy..Now reality is gonna sink in ..Lana has no more powers ..no more Sex..What relationship is that..well..i guess if she wants to have some she can go banging Lex..cause she throughly enjoyed that lip locking...

Demne

11-09-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane
While I agree with a lot of your post, let's lay off sexist comments like 'it is the females whining about it' I'm a female, here is me not whining about Clana sex.

I agree that it wasn't that strange, them having sex, shaking up Smallville was a little unnecessary but whatever, it didn't bother me that much. You're right, they hadn't kissed at all before this episode and almost seemed like they were living in "Leave it To Beaver" or the "Stepford" back in the fifties where even husbands and wives were shown to sleep in separate beds and rarely even gave one another a peck on the cheek. I'm kewl with a dating couple, especially a couple living together, having sex.

One of the few lol. Sorry but all I see is a majority of the "F" symbol calling it horrible.. and it wasn't, was normal, and fun, and about damn time.

aqgalaxy

11-09-2007, 09:56 AM

While I am not a Clana fan... the scene was funny and I am just jealous it wasn't me...:rotfl:

But I feel so bad for Lara!!! They had sex in the Barn... probably over the blue crystal! No wonder she calls for help in the next episode...

Demne

11-09-2007, 10:04 AM

Expect Zor-el to be a huge factor in the next episode, It ain't Lara calling. That is just a educated guess.

operadiva

11-09-2007, 10:04 AM

Some are saying that Clark had sex with a clone..If so All clanas would braff..but it would be very funny indeed...

Demne

11-09-2007, 10:06 AM

Lana is not a clone, her clone she killed. Remember the lifeless husk she blew up?

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-09-2007, 10:06 AM

Re the sex thing, you know, sometimes things are just done in good humour, nothing more, nothing less.

bad3appels

11-09-2007, 10:07 AM

i won`t care really,the scene would have been done by tom and kristin

either way,i`m happy.

DestinyAw8s

11-09-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But I feel so bad for Lara!!! They had sex in the Barn... probably over the blue crystal! No wonder she calls for help in the next episode...

:rotfl: :D

operadiva

11-09-2007, 10:12 AM

It wasn't disgusting nor was it earth shattering...It was boring..been there..What was interesting to me was the kiss between Lex and Lana..i thought that she did not like the guy....but i guess she is in denial...

litew8

11-09-2007, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by operadiva
Some are saying that Clark had sex with a clone..If so All clanas would braff..but it would be very funny indeed... Yep. That's what I think. Clark really screwed up this time. :( :rolleyes: :\ :confused: :lol:

christina

11-09-2007, 11:31 AM

That scene still get me LoL just thinking about it! it was so good!

msleggie

11-09-2007, 11:39 AM

Yeah it was, this was my favorite scene in this episode!

CLANAKID

11-09-2007, 11:46 AM

OH THE CLANA SEX PART2. ONLY THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T WAKE UP IN BED TOGETHER AND GET CAUGHT BY HIS PARENTS:D

Demne

11-09-2007, 12:12 PM

Ok, What they should have done is dosed each other with red kryptonite.. now that would be a episode to remember!

MetroGirl06

11-09-2007, 12:37 PM

Scary... *shudders*

Honey45

11-09-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by margroks
The Earth tremor Clana sex was rude, offensive and the vulgar. It wasn't funny, it was sick. Even ignoring the fact that Smallvile and the Kent farm would have been totalled by it, (and the fact that Clark should have been careful for that very reason) it was all kinds of wrong. KNowing that Eric went crazy when he got Clark's opowers and that his own father ultimately dies as a result of having them for only a short while, Clark was a selfish bastard to screw this nasty girl wihtout concern for her health or the consequences of her being super powered.

The oh, we were busy doesn't cut it. Heroes are on call 24/7 and it's like being a doctor; when you are needed, you answer the call. He was wrong not to take two seconds to answer the cell and he had to know it was Chloe since all these people have distinctive ring tones. Chleo could have been calling because Zod or Brainiac or Bizarro had returned or there was a Zoner or she herself or his mom or Ollie was in mortal danger. And he had to know Chloe would make the long drive to SV to make sure he was okay, that, too was thoughtless and uncaring. This ep revealed a Clark that is a comepletely thoughtless and selfish jerk and the Clana sex was even more repulsive than it was the first time. The fact that he later admitted he knew she was off somehow makes it even worse.

Woow. Can I take a guess and say you're an avid Clana hater?
:lol:
Calm the hell down. It's a TV show.

What I find disgusting is that you think someone should answer their cell phone while having sex! Paris Hilton, anyone?

Clark having sex during his ONLY opportunity to have sex means Clark is disgusting, thoughtless, uncaring and selfish?
Now I've seen everything.

BROKENTOS

11-09-2007, 02:15 PM

I wonder If Clark knocked Lana up?

After all he is "Superman".

Absentee

11-09-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by margroks

The oh, we were busy doesn't cut it. Heroes are on call 24/7 and it's like being a doctor; when you are needed, you answer the call. He was wrong not to take two seconds to answer the cell and he had to know it was Chloe since all these people have distinctive ring tones. Chleo could have been calling because Zod or Brainiac or Bizarro had returned or there was a Zoner or she herself or his mom or Ollie was in mortal danger. And he had to know Chloe would make the long drive to SV to make sure he was okay, that, too was thoughtless and uncaring. This ep revealed a Clark that is a comepletely thoughtless and selfish jerk and the Clana sex was even more repulsive than it was the first time. The fact that he later admitted he knew she was off somehow makes it even worse.

Calm down.

Gosh, you make it seem like he's not allowed to have a life. He can't be someone's personal hero 24 hours a day 7 days a week! Even Doctors need time off.

I didn't know we own Clark Kent and he must be there to save us everyday. You make it seem like humans are lazy and only depend on someone else to save us. How selfish.

Delovely

11-09-2007, 03:10 PM

Everyone needs sex... even Superman.

And if you think otherwise... well, you obviously haven't had sex before.

last man of krypton

11-09-2007, 03:57 PM

A small part of me thinks of it as unnecessarily silly... but the rest of me couldn't stop laughing :lol: I'd never wanted to high-five Clark more.

CDLBLUE

11-09-2007, 03:58 PM

The sex with Lex was disgusting, the sex with Clark was pure because they love each other, or at least they did, but it is preordained for tragedy, and that is the saddest part of it all, from the beginning it was karma, Clark's destiny is not with Lana or in Smallville, he will be with Lois Lane, and the World's protector and guardian, that fact cannot be changed or altered, and it will be.

CLanaF23

11-09-2007, 03:59 PM

CLANA Sex is hot!! people are really hating now!! i freakin love clana <33

redraven

11-09-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Demne
Ok, What they should have done is dosed each other with red kryptonite.. now that would be a episode to remember!

It definitely would! :eek: But Smallville would be completely and utterly destroyed if that were to happen. :lol:

operadiva

11-09-2007, 05:38 PM

Nothing pure about banging Lex's ex...talk about 2 something something in the same hole..EW...
Martha would have barfed all over Jonathan's grave in disgust...And well Shelby just ran away in disbelief of Clark's stupidity...

CDLBLUE

11-09-2007, 06:16 PM

Clark love for Lana was/has been pure, Lana on the other hand is just a well used whore.

Honey45

11-09-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by CDLBLUE
Clark love for Lana was/has been pure, Lana on the other hand is just a well used whore.

That's a little ... inappropriate.
Lana has only had sex with two men. That does not classify her as a whore.

SteveS

11-09-2007, 07:34 PM

Lana has never sold herself for money. She loved ClarkMan honestly and when despondent took refuge with a master deceiver, Lex. There is no quid pro quo with either.

On the other hand, having a romantic or sexual relationship with one's boss has many negative connotations, overtones and examples of poor decision making.

SmallvilleMan

11-09-2007, 07:35 PM

There's a lot of words lana haters have trouble defining and one is whore.........See, when you sleep with only two guys when you're 21........You're not a whore.........

Honey45

11-09-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by SteveS
Lana has never sold herself for money. She loved ClarkMan honestly and when despondent took refuge with a master deceiver, Lex. There is no quid pro quo with either.

On the other hand, having a romantic or sexual relationship with one's boss has many negative connotations, overtones and examples of poor decision making.

I'm not even talking about just the "technical" term, meaning sleeping around for money.
But the colloquial term of just "sleeping around" .. she's not that either.

amberdawn

11-09-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by SteveS

On the other hand, having a romantic or sexual relationship with one's boss has many negative connotations, overtones and examples of poor decision making.
Lois has nothing to do with this, SteveS. :rolleyes:

LoisJoanneKent

11-09-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by amberdawn
Lois has nothing to do with this, SteveS. :rolleyes:

I'm telling you, he was really hurt be a Erica Durance look a like!

I've always said it: Seducing Jason, sleeping with Clark then Lex (evil rich guy, how convenient) and Clark again...To me she's a big who@$

boingo

11-09-2007, 09:29 PM

The Clark and Lana "Super-Sex" was my favorite part of the episode lol I couldn't stop laughing....I loved it!!!

kryptonaidxh

11-09-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by LoisJoanneKent
I'm telling you, he was really hurt be a Erica Durance look a like!

I've always said it: Seducing Jason, sleeping with Clark then Lex (evil rich guy, how convenient) and Clark again...To me she's a big who@$

:D ;) what I say, she´s an evil b**ch, and that scene made me grous, ewww!, I better turned off the TV while that awful scene happened.
fortunately tha´s going to end soon.:D

LoveHurts38

11-09-2007, 09:38 PM

I did laugh...

SmallvilleMan

11-09-2007, 09:40 PM

I've always said it: Seducing Jason, sleeping with Clark then Lex (evil rich guy, how convenient) and Clark again...To me she's a big who@$

And i've always said how wrong that is and it still is today? And LMAO to seducing Lex that's the real one and Jason and Clark...........LMAO TO ALL:rotfl:

kentfamily

11-09-2007, 10:22 PM

I couldn't stop laughing either with the Clana supersex scene. It was the best episode so far:lol:

I especially liked the part when Lana pushes Clark up against the pole and it breaks:lol:

Finally we get to see some action between the two :D

I felt bad for Lana when she lost her abilities :(

I thought the ending was a little powerful. Lana was telling Clark that she just wanted to know he loved her no matter what. I mean he created this whole perfection thing about Lana in his mind. She even said it at the end that she is not perfect. Not in those words of course.

Did anybody see that movie "My Super ex-girlfriend"? Uma Thurman is the supergirl and the guy she falls for is played by Luke Wilson.

They had super power sex, she broke the wall and head board. They had human and superpower sex.
:rotfl: :rotfl: I loved that movie.

DarkChilde

11-09-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by CDLBLUE
Clark love for Lana was/has been pure, Lana on the other hand is just a well used whore.

Whores get paid... wait a second she needs a place to live...

Mello Penelo

11-09-2007, 10:27 PM

What's the difference between a whore and a slut?

Whores get paid. :rotfl:

kentfamily

11-09-2007, 10:31 PM

LoisJoanneKent
Lana never seduced Jason, when did she do that?
She thought Jason wanted sex from her because he told her that she was not ready for that kind of relationship. What would think if some guy told you that and broke it off? She did say he was a college guy who is used to having more adult relationships, meaning sex would be involved.
So Lana is not a wh@*&. She's only been with 2 (sex) men in her life.
If you think that of her then you must think Lois is more than a whore, because her character shows her as someone who 's been around the block a few times. I think she is a whore.

Angelina2809

11-10-2007, 01:31 AM

Yes, they had sex and this scene made me laugh too! It was so funny as Clark said: ,,Lana I think that isn't a good idea!"
VERY FUNNY!!!! A GREAT scene!!!!!

last man of krypton

11-10-2007, 02:48 AM

I was surprised Clark was so hesitant. It reminded me of a Friends scene (which I'll alter slightly):

Clark: <thinks> "If she's offering sex, you take it! If she offers you a mangled Lionel carcass, you take it!"

christina

11-10-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by operadiva
She did get paid..what about the 10 million..so she is a whore..

Says you right? :rotfl: whatever!

The Girl had sex with two men! with the love of her life and another man she was involved with on a serious level. whoa that's unheard of! please......you all know you just wanted some of Clarkman's Superbang!:p Lana had it and I'm jealous!:lol:

83kaL

11-10-2007, 09:21 AM

As much as I don't like finding mistakes in Smallville, there's one :
They had super-sex and the world had earthquakes, the they were on a second floor ( Clark's room or the barn it's the same ) and it didn't break the floor or something like that XD

christina

11-10-2007, 09:34 AM

I think they were in the barn for the majority of the Supersex, hence Clark saying they neede to fix the Barn. and there were quite a few mistakes in this episode.

Honey45

11-10-2007, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by operadiva
She did get paid..what about the 10 million..so she is a whore..

Lana didn't know she was going to get $10 million from Lex before they had sex. She didn't even know she was going to MARRY him before they had sex.
(and no, this doesn't make her a "whore" either)

Honestly, grow the hell up. People who call girls "whores" and "sluts" when they obviously aren't, just make me sick. It's one of the most immature things in the world.

I really hope you're a girl. And I hope one day you feel what it feels like to be called a "whore" or a "slut" when you're clearly not one. Maybe a good metaphorical slap in the face like that will help you mature. Because, seriously, it's just pathetic.

Mello Penelo

11-10-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by christina
Says you right? :rotfl: whatever!

The Girl had sex with two men! with the love of her life and another man she was involved with on a serious level.

Wait... Lana hasn't slept with Pete yet. :confused: :confused: :confused: Did I miss something?

Dew_drops

11-10-2007, 03:07 PM

see thats the thing. I can understand people's points of views when they explain it nicely and make good points - honest i can. I agree with a lot of Chlarkers alot. but this...this operadive - dude cm'on, lol you not even making sense. Please dont insult and not make sense. If you can make a careful argument I will listen if not, I will point and laugh. You really are asking for a ban from the moderators for your flaming.

redraven

11-10-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by operadiva
She did get paid..what about the 10 million..so she is a whore..

Wow...I can't believe you're using that to call her a whore. :lol:

redraven

11-10-2007, 03:21 PM

Actually you're making no sense, and grasping at straws trying to call Lana a whore.

:rotfl:

operadiva

11-10-2007, 03:23 PM

I will say that enjoy Clana..Mr Gough will soon be showing you what he thinks of Clana..

redraven

11-10-2007, 03:25 PM

Right okay...thanks. I'm enjoying the Clana thoroughly, and Gough's already shown us what he thinks of Clana. ;)

Dew_drops

11-10-2007, 03:27 PM

redraven- we really should find that lovely post of yours that explains exactly what a whore is and how it can't be applied to Lana. People can be unhappy with her behaviour - I understand that - but this whore story - oh well.

Operadive: lol, dude READ your posts, no really, do it - they dont make sense most of the time anyway. At least take a moment to craft your argument if you want to make a point. I am open to points, really I am. Have you watched Finding Nemo?

Marlin (to cute baby squshy tortise): He's telling me something! I know it!

...You're really cute, but I dont know what you're saying!

clana4everfan2

11-10-2007, 03:54 PM

It was totally hilarious! Go Clana! :)

operadiva

11-10-2007, 04:18 PM

you mean going down hill soon..yea..you are right

sirconical

11-10-2007, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Clana had sex in this episode? Wow, you're so innocent :lol: It's not a bad thing!

LovelyLoisLane

11-10-2007, 05:00 PM

Comments have been made about Lois being a 'slut' before as well, and now it appears to be Lana's turn. Again with no proof at all. People . . . when you don't like a character you don't resort to making false accusations of said-character.

For the sake of all things Kryptonian, Lana has only slept with TWO men in six plus years. Both were long term developments, it's not as if she just jumped in the sack and then went through their wallets!

I don't like Lana all that much, but I call it like it is and refrain from using woman-hating insults like 'slut' and 'whore' or 'easy piece of ***' when they clearly do not apply.

All three leading ladies, Lana, Chloe and Lois are sexual saints compared to myself. I've had very active adult relationships with most of the boyfriends and girlfriends I've had . . . so using the [Lana/Chloe/Lois] is a 'slut' logic, then I must be the red-light queen. I cannot even begin to stress how insulting that kind of 'logic' is to me.

amberdawn

11-10-2007, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane
All three leading ladies, Lana, Chloe and Lois are sexual saints compared to myself. I've had very active adult relationships with most of the boyfriends and girlfriends I've had . . . so using the [Lana/Chloe/Lois] is a 'slut' logic, then I must be the red-light queen. I cannot even begin to stress how insulting that kind of 'logic' is to me.
Same here. :mad:

I dislike Lana with a passion, but calling her a slut is uncalled for. Look up the definition before using that word.

Bonita_LovesSuperman

11-10-2007, 08:45 PM

People calling Lana a "slut", please your just jealous because you can't get any.. Amberdawn & LovelyLoisLane, I completely agree with both of your posts.. People using the term 'Slut' & 'Whore', and not knowing the definition is just a disgrace.

Back on topic, the SexQuake.. :eek: Wow was that awesome:rotfl: Never laughed so much in my life while watching Smallville.. It was so cute and you didn't have to draw a picture to know what they were doing. They were definitely horney:lol: They were going for it like rabbits, with the barn broken and continuous Sexquakes:lol: WOW:eek::rotfl:

AngelaV

11-10-2007, 08:51 PM

My finally got around to watching this episode. I hope I didn't laugh too hard and wake up the kids!
Then I come here to read some posts. Let's just say some of you are um... very humourous! :)

brother_of_krypton

11-10-2007, 11:10 PM

Honestly, I didn't know Clark had the power to cause earthquakes by pelvic thrusting...anybody else besides me find that a bit...corny?

christina

11-10-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Bonita_LovesSuperman
People calling Lana a "slut", please your just jealous because you can't get any.. Amberdawn & LovelyLoisLane, I completely agree with both of your posts.. People using the term 'Slut' & 'Whore', and not knowing the definition is just a disgrace.

Back on topic, the SexQuake.. :eek: Wow was that awesome:rotfl: Never laughed so much in my life while watching Smallville.. It was so cute and you didn't have to draw a picture to know what they were doing. They were definitely horney:lol: They were going for it like rabbits, with the barn broken and continuous Sexquakes:lol: WOW:eek::rotfl:

I completely agree! I've never laughed so hard all the while I've been watching the show!:rotfl:

operadiva

11-10-2007, 11:27 PM

Oh yes i agree..it was a joke....

christina

11-10-2007, 11:30 PM

I find that hot! but that's just me. But seriously I think the reason it was so intence was because they both had super power.

chlark fan

11-11-2007, 02:58 AM

Clana sex= Ewwww

Chlark sex= Awesome

Shadar

11-11-2007, 07:38 AM

Larry Niven, one of the most most respected Science Fiction writers, once wrote an essay regarding one of Clark Kent's challenges.

It's famous, or infamous, depending on your perspective, but I have no doubt the Smallville writers are aware of it:

http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html

Shadar

Mello Penelo

11-11-2007, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by brother_of_krypton
Honestly, I didn't know Clark had the power to cause earthquakes by pelvic thrusting...anybody else besides me find that a bit...corny?

He's not supposed to. He has sex like a normal human. It isn't "holding back" or anything. He isn't like a rifle. :\

Al/Miles don't care what they put on the show. They just do whatever they want.

DestinyAw8s

11-11-2007, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
He's not supposed to. He has sex like a normal human. It isn't "holding back" or anything. He isn't like a rifle. :\

Al/Miles don't care what they put on the show. They just do whatever they want.
Yes. Clark should be able to control this function in the same way that he apparently controls others that shall remain unmentioned. :\

Mello Penelo

11-11-2007, 09:07 AM

Does no one get it? He doesn't have to "control" anything. It's normal. He pees, craps and has sex like a human born on Earth.

Angelina2809

11-11-2007, 09:19 AM

Hey, it was a long time ago as Clark had sex with Lana. I mean they sleep in the same bed and they cannot have sex. I can understand Lana that she took this chance (I had done the same of course) And the day after Clark was so relaxed and happy.
Two people with Superpowers - of course that they made some earthquakes.

I enjoyed this scene and also the morning after that powerful sex scene!

Go Lana, Go!

supes0

11-11-2007, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Does no one get it? He doesn't have to "control" anything. It's normal. He pees, craps and has sex like a human born on Earth.

Exactly. He goes to the bathroom, passes gas, has sex, burps, etc 'normally'.

Don't feel bad, this topic is debated constantly on comic book sites.

Comic book writers have actually weighed in (crazy, eh?) saying the same thing, he has sex with Lois without red sun lamps, etc. And that Niven's essay was just that, an essay, not part of continuity.

Mello Penelo

11-11-2007, 09:29 AM

DestinyAw8s

11-11-2007, 09:32 AM

Apparently, he doesn't snore either.

Mello Penelo

11-11-2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah. Al/Miles just wanted an excuse for Clana sex. DC is the reason Clark and Lana don't have sex like a normal couple. DC's restriction was "no sex under normal circumstances." So if Clark has no powers, Clana sex. If Lana has powers, Clana sex. So on an end run, Lana is still the reason Jonathan is dead-- so Clark could bone Lana.

It's Al/Miles' way to do whatever they want without any care to the story.

DestinyAw8s

11-11-2007, 10:02 AM

I never actually thought about Clark having any kind of SUPER sex, per se, until this latest fiasco. I simply took it that the premise for worrying about it was all in his head.

clarkbunny

11-11-2007, 10:17 AM

^
I don't think the sex itself was what caused all the shaking, I think it was them throwing each other about as they got into different positions - similar to when a human had sex with a Klingon in Star Teek voyager and ended up having to go to see the doctor with cuts and bruises :lol:

I think Clark would be more gentle if he had sex with a human.

OK - so who else is thinking that Clana will be keeping a little lead box and wire to plug into the mains by their bedside table :lol:

Now that they've done it once will they really be able to resist wanting to do it again. If the earth was shaking I am guessing a good time was had by all :D Is it that much of a stretch that Clark wouldn't transfer his powers to Lana for some more hot action - or how about transfer his powers into Shelby so he can have some human action with Lana :lol:

Honey45

11-11-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Does no one get it? He doesn't have to "control" anything. It's normal. He pees, craps and has sex like a human born on Earth.

I think, in terms of Smallville, it's like this:

Clark can punch a human pretty softly, but enough to knock them out. Now in order to knock a Kryptonian out, he would have to punch a lot harder.

(If Clark could have sex with humans), he would only need to "thrust" softly. In order to pleasure a Kryptonian (or a human with Kryptonian strength), he would have to thrust harder.

Do you see what I mean? I'm not saying that's how it is in the mythos, but I think that's what they were doing on Smallville.

clarkbunny

11-11-2007, 11:31 AM

^
Nah, I don't think he needs to thrust any harder for a human with kryptonian powers or a kryptonian. Kryptonians only have super human power on earth so when they make love they would do it the same as they do it on Krypton without any super powered thrusting.

I think all the banging was them throwing each other about.

Crusader

11-11-2007, 01:24 PM

But seriously the thrusting shouldn't cause arthquakes, and also for there to be earthquakes they would of needed to have sex outside on a field or something, they would of just put a hole through the floor if they did it in the bedroon lol

Bonita_LovesSuperman

11-11-2007, 07:32 PM

^:rotfl: Too funny, you got most of the words out of mouth.. it was just too funny..

Everytime the earth moved thats when Clark thrusted, every thrust he did the earth thrusted an inch:rotfl:

Originally posted by chlark fan
Clana sex= Ewwww

Chlark sex= Awesome

tell me when Chlark ahd sex?

Honey45

11-11-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Crusader
But seriously the thrusting shouldn't cause arthquakes, and also for there to be earthquakes they would of needed to have sex outside on a field or something, they would of just put a hole through the floor if they did it in the bedroon lol

The barn looked like a mess when they were done. I think there was a hole in the roof. :lol:

I think the actual look of the scene and the ideas behind it were supposed to be a joke. I think the only thing they wanted us to take seriously was that they had sex.

The rest was just for fun.

curiosity

11-11-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by supes0
Exactly. He goes to the bathroom, passes gas, has sex, burps, etc 'normally'.

Don't feel bad, this topic is debated constantly on comic book sites.

Comic book writers have actually weighed in (crazy, eh?) saying the same thing, he has sex with Lois without red sun lamps, etc. And that Niven's essay was just that, an essay, not part of continuity.

I guess I'm joining the debate. IMO.... He doesn't "burp" as a physcial activity done with another super powered person.:confused:

He doesn't "pas gas"..... as a physical activity done with another super powered person.

He doesn't "go to the bathroom" ....well, you get the picutre, right? :lol:

And....extra curricular activities done with Lois are not super powered because Lois isn't super powered. He doesn't do anything when he has his powers, with Lana while she's normal, because he does not yet know if he can do it with enough restraint.

Mello Penelo

11-11-2007, 09:15 PM

curiosity, you don't get it. Don't fall into the group of people who think he could blow a hole in Lois' back like a shotgun. It isn't possible.

He's absolutely normal when it comes to sex. The only problem he could ever have is like snapping a girl's neck while he's pulling her hair.

As for bodily functions, he doesn't have any super-powered problems.

His only problem is he doesn't know this yet.

xrayvision

11-11-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
^
I don't think the sex itself was what caused all the shaking, I think it was them throwing each other about as they got into different positions - similar to when a human had sex with a Klingon in Star Teek voyager and ended up having to go to see the doctor with cuts and bruises :lol:

I think Clark would be more gentle if he had sex with a human.

OK - so who else is thinking that Clana will be keeping a little lead box and wire to plug into the mains by their bedside table :lol:

Now that they've done it once will they really be able to resist wanting to do it again. If the earth was shaking I am guessing a good time was had by all :D Is it that much of a stretch that Clark wouldn't transfer his powers to Lana for some more hot action - or how about transfer his powers into Shelby so he can have some human action with Lana :lol:

Isn't that scene a huge plothole? I mean, if the Kent farm was the epicenter of these tremors that were felt all the way where Chloe was, it would have destroyed Clark's house and caused it to collapse or at the very least have huge holes through the walls.

Poweranimals

11-11-2007, 09:59 PM

Not necassarily. We don't know the true nature of super sex. We didn't see anything. So we don't know the exact way the earthquakes were induced.

sirconical

11-12-2007, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
...It isn't possible... Stop right there. You're talking about a show in which the protagonist can blow a steel door off. Literally. And all that happens to the girl stood next to him is her hair blows about a bit.

Just a reminder. I do exactly the same, start applying logic to things which logic just doesn't apply to.

Angelina2809

11-12-2007, 06:17 AM

But remember Alicia. I mean Clark was full of passion!
As they kissed on the couch and than in the honeymoon - night!
That was a really hot passion night!
I know they had no sex but the things that happened between Clark and Alicia. Ok, Clark was on red Kryptonite but that means that he have this really hot passion inside of him!
In the 5th episode of Smallville (Mortal) Clark was full of passion too in the barn but than camed these freaks and it was over but Clark have many passions.
Or in the 6th season (Crimson) Clark and Lois - what a hot moment in Oliver's old apartment.
And now Clark and Lana both had these powers and so that means much more passions for Clark and Lana!

coolgal

11-12-2007, 07:23 AM

OMG
That had me in stiches. Chloe's face when she was at the talon..lol. I thought it was halarious, so funny in fact my mum had to come and check what was going on i was laughing so much. It's good SV puts a humourous side to the show.

And to add, when they kissed before the powers transfer......finally!! I was like, "ohhh, finally some passion".

Back to the point now.....if you hate clana (which i don't, think there great) you must of laughed at that, if not you've got a heart of stone!

clarkbunny

11-12-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
Isn't that scene a huge plothole? I mean, if the Kent farm was the epicenter of these tremors that were felt all the way where Chloe was, it would have destroyed Clark's house and caused it to collapse or at the very least have huge holes through the walls.
Ha ha ha - imagine Clark having to explain to his mum why the house is a pile of rubble :lol:

What would he write on the insurance claim?? :rotfl:

Ahh well I guess Lana has $10 meeellion dollars so she could pay for the house to be rebuilt.

Humdinger

11-12-2007, 05:50 PM

They went at it with a bang, not a whimper.

xrayvision

11-12-2007, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
Ahh well I guess Lana has $10 meeellion dollars so she could pay for the house to be rebuilt.

Yeah, good luck to Clark with that happening. That money is in her kill Lex fund/

denkim42

11-12-2007, 08:09 PM

All I have to say, is that Clark has got to have mixed feeling about Green K. It can kill him, but it is the only way(that with lightning) he can have physical relations with his woman.

So sad once again.

Mello Penelo

11-12-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by denkim42
All I have to say, is that Clark has got to have mixed feeling about Green K. It can kill him, but it is the only way(that with lightning) he can have physical relations with his woman.

So sad once again.

I know you're new, but I'm tired of retyping this. Clark has normal sex. He doesn't "shoot a hole" in a woman's back. He pees, craps and has sex like a human.

He does not, nor has he ever (until Smallville screwed it up) had super-sex.

Theshadow129x

11-12-2007, 09:32 PM

^^ someone else finally agrees with me. It's been indicated in the Superman comics. pick one up and read it.

Mello Penelo

11-12-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
^^ someone else finally agrees with me. It's been indicated in the Superman comics. pick one up and read it.

Most mainstream Smallville fans feel they don't have to read the comics because "Smallville is essentially the comics on TV."

Gag me.

I went ballistic on this one pre-teen Clana fan one time on another message board. It made her cry. Literally. She swore Smallville was the way the comics were, but, of course, she'd never picked one up in her life.

I guess it interfered with her millions of text messages a day and watching reruns of America's Next Top Model and The Hills.

:\

jazel

11-12-2007, 10:19 PM

^^^ lol
much like the clana sex scene.LOL

Mello Penelo

11-12-2007, 10:28 PM

She probably thought it was the greatest thing in all of TV.

Serynarpc

11-13-2007, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Anyone else think it's messed up that Chloe is now two for two arriving after Clana had sex?

I agree with the awkward level eight.

Anyone else think it was odd it was accepted for Lana to wander around half dressed in Clark's flannel?

I had just said 'You know, half a dozen people walk into this house without knocking'. *See Chloe's approach* 'Oh, bollucks'.

red_sun1938

11-13-2007, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Kreukie
That scene was really funny!

If you don't crack a smile during that scene, even as an anti-Clana you're made out of stone! :lol:

It was hilarious. Chloe's reaction to the rumbling and when she arrived at the Kent Farm were even better than her reaction in Mortal. :rotfl:

belang

11-13-2007, 06:29 AM

Really enjoyed ep wrath. funny, dark oh...and 'awkward'. hehe. well done writers. that's all i've to say. :)

Honey45

11-13-2007, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Serynarpc
I agree with the awkward level eight.

Anyone else think it was odd it was accepted for Lana to wander around half dressed in Clark's flannel?

I had just said 'You know, half a dozen people walk into this house without knocking'. *See Chloe's approach* 'Oh, bollucks'.

Since people like Chloe barge in without knocking, Lana shouldn't be allowed to walk around in Clark's clothes, especially when she lives there?
:confused:

Originally posted by red_sun1938
It was hilarious. Chloe's reaction to the rumbling and when she arrived at the Kent Farm were even better than her reaction in Mortal. :rotfl:

For me, nothing beats the scene in Mortal when Johnathan and Martha see Clark and Lana.

Martha: Did you at least use protection?
Johnathan and Clark both look up.
Clark: Yes, mom..

:lol:

Dri-Sa

11-13-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Delovely
Damn, Lana.

Too bad you can only do that when you have his powers otherwise your sex life is 'non-exsistent'.

They could probably do it still, but Clark would have to be VERY gentle.

AliciaBaker

11-13-2007, 12:46 PM

So Lana walks funny the next chapter because of the horseback riding or the frenzy powerish act of love?

Who was on top?

:p

ClarkRules!

11-13-2007, 02:33 PM

and the weather vein on top of the barn was all bent over! LOL LOL

bad3appels

11-13-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by BROKENTOS
I wonder If Clark knocked Lana up?

After all he is "Superman".

now that will be the day:lol:
i don`t think that will happen in smallville even if i wish for it.

all this new words: Supersex,SexQuake...it is hilarious:rotfl:

Alicia,i think that lana was on top other whise she wouldn`t have come out alive,clark is huge...okay,that didn`t come out alright :lol: ,i meant: he is a big man..
i bet,he is big everywhere :rotfl:

Imzadia

11-14-2007, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by VisionGirl
How does sex cause an earthquake... and yet not disrupt the house it takes place in?

:confused: Earthquaking sex??? OK, 'VisionGirl', you're the only one I've come across who's asking the same question I'm asking. OMG! What WAS 'That'? I posed this question on another Thread, so now I'm asking it here hoping I'll get some help. :eek: I was completely thrown into a state of confusion trying to figure out what had just happened other than the 'Supersex' they were 'supposed' to be engaging in. :\
Well, maybe it's because I'm a bit old...OR maybe because I'm a somewhat 'mature' woman who's been in an amicable and [Pardon my expressiveness...To the Young'uns : D], sexually 'healthy' marriage for many years, I have found myself confused by the SFX used in demonstration for what happened when Clark & Lana became 'intimate'. Even if they were both 'Super', HOW do the sounds of 'explosions' and 'mini' earth tremors describe Anything about them making love? How were two holes ripped through the roof of the barn? If they were caused by bursts of Heat Vision, the barn would've been set on fire. If it was supposed to be the effect from their 'physical' movement with each other, vibrations or whatever that were felt all over the county, then the barn should've crashed down around them, too. Those SFX didn't allow my imagination to envision 'Anything'! Help an 'old lady' out, please. What was it supposed to mean?? I found it to be Ridiculous...not even amusing! The laughable part was when I figured that the writers didn't come up with anything they could use to qualify as a 'PG' rating to insinuate what 'supersex' would be like. :lol:

kal-el_Girl

11-14-2007, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by bad3appels
i meant: he is a big man..
i bet,he is big everywhere :rotfl:

;) Oh Yeah

Skyfly

11-14-2007, 02:08 PM

Why can't they have sex when only Clark has powers? His boners are too strong???

Mello Penelo

11-14-2007, 02:20 PM

Because DC said they couldn't. Clark has sex normally.

Son of Kal-El20

11-14-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Imzadia
:confused: Earthquaking sex??? OK, 'VisionGirl', you're the only one I've come across who's asking the same question I'm asking. OMG! What WAS 'That'? I posed this question on another Thread, so now I'm asking it here hoping I'll get some help. :eek: I was completely thrown into a state of confusion trying to figure out what had just happened other than the 'Supersex' they were 'supposed' to be engaging in. :\
Well, maybe it's because I'm a bit old...OR maybe because I'm a somewhat 'mature' woman who's been in an amicable and [Pardon my expressiveness...To the Young'uns : D], sexually 'healthy' marriage for many years, I have found myself confused by the SFX used in demonstration for what happened when Clark & Lana became 'intimate'. Even if they were both 'Super', HOW do the sounds of 'explosions' and 'mini' earth tremors describe Anything about them making love? How were two holes ripped through the roof of the barn? If they were caused by bursts of Heat Vision, the barn would've been set on fire. If it was supposed to be the effect from their 'physical' movement with each other, vibrations or whatever that were felt all over the county, then the barn should've crashed down around them, too. Those SFX didn't allow my imagination to envision 'Anything'! Help an 'old lady' out, please. What was it supposed to mean?? I found it to be Ridiculous...not even amusing! The laughable part was when I figured that the writers didn't come up with anything they could use to qualify as a 'PG' rating to insinuate what 'supersex' would be like. :lol:

Maybe we don't need the answer.

My god, what's going to happen to Jimmy if Kara wants to get it on with him :confused: ? Will the poor guy be able to survive that?

Shadar

11-14-2007, 07:24 PM

Jimmy and Kara... hmmm... if, as some believe with Clark, that everything scales to her strength, then Jimmy is going to find that invulnerable and inviolate are closely related terms.

And according to my Thesaurus, the synonyms of inviolate are: pure, virginal, sacred, protected, whole, unbroken, unaltered, untouched, intact, immune, infrangible and inviolable.

I don't think any of those words is what Jimmy has in mind when he thinks of Kara.

Poor guy. He has no idea.

On the other hand, Kara is smart and Jimmy is adaptable... but I'll leave any further exploration of that thought to your imagination.

Shadar

Serynarpc

11-14-2007, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Shadar
Jimmy and Kara... hmmm... if, as some believe with Clark, that everything scales to her strength, then Jimmy is going to find that invulnerable and inviolate are closely related terms.

And according to my Thesaurus, the synonyms of inviolate are: pure, virginal, sacred, protected, whole, unbroken, unaltered, untouched, intact, immune, infrangible and inviolable.

I don't think any of those words is what Jimmy has in mind when he thinks of Kara.

Poor guy. He has no idea.

On the other hand, Kara is smart and Jimmy is adaptable... but I'll leave any further exploration of that thought to your imagination.

Shadar

:lol:

Too true. Jimmy moves onto Kara in a week due to that half clothed body and all - American girl aspect from (where is she from? Iowa? Missouri? Maine? One of those 'out there' places, anyway..) and he will never get past second base.

Maybe Clark and he can overcome those feelings of animosity and jealously and form an 'Involuntarily celebrate' club.

Shadar

11-15-2007, 01:51 AM

Actually, she claims to be from Minnesota (I guess a Canadian can pull that off)... but to your point, she's anything but All American.

But given all the controversy over Clark's sexual relations, it will be very interesting to see how the writers handle Kara's sexuality, given all the discussion about super Clana and ground tremors, et.al.

Oh... I forgot. We don't have writers any more.

Guess we'll see what the writers put in the bag before the strike, and before any of the fan discussion on this topic started.

Shadar

smlgrl1547

11-21-2007, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Kreukie
That scene was really funny!

If you don't crack a smile during that scene, even as an anti-Clana you're made out of stone! :lol:

I agree with you. it was pretty freakin funny :rotfl:

Baron Karza

11-21-2007, 08:02 AM

Shadar

11-21-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I know you're new, but I'm tired of retyping this. Clark has normal sex. He doesn't "shoot a hole" in a woman's back. He pees, craps and has sex like a human.

He does not, nor has he ever (until Smallville screwed it up) had super-sex.

I understand that bit of the mythology, but its a holdover from a naive and simpler era of comicdom. He's got the strength of hundreds of men as portrayed on Smallville (and as Superman, that'll go way up), but it doesn't make sense that one muscle has superstrength and another one doesn't. So you have to scale everything up.

Of course, that gets a little weird when you consider things like sex, and the G-rated Superman readers never had to deal with that complication, but this is the 21st century. We're not naive and we're capable of defining the character more realistically (at least within the bounds of the mythos).

Which means, despite his famous self-control, there are times when being superhuman brings along some complications.

There are many conceptual ways to get around that and still have conventional stories work. I don't want to take this thread any further down a slippery slope, but I'll just leave you with the thought that maybe he's not as 'fully committed' during sex as most guys. As in, he's happy being God's gift to women, but it takes more than a human woman to ring his bells. (Which opens another can of worms, but at least it's one we can rationalize, and that Lois will someday have to deal with.)

That solves the "hole in back or head" issue and also explains the joy of Clark and SuperLana getting together and shaking the Earth.

For once, the poor guy didn't have to concentrate on faking it. <wink>

Shadar

Mello Penelo

11-21-2007, 08:47 AM

What you just posted is contrary to everything every current writer has said about Superman having sex. They have explicitly said he does not have super sex.

Baron Karza

11-21-2007, 08:53 AM

OMG! I think I've figured it out!
His flying powers come from his GROIN!!!

So THAT'S why he can have normal sex!

(Starts wondering about Kara)

Shadar

11-21-2007, 09:46 AM

Flying comes from the groin and she CAN fly... whereas Clark is a little... wimpy... in that area?

I'm not going there. Too many fantasies at risk.

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-21-2007, 09:55 AM

Well, let's just say THAT particular area on Clark probably sees the LEAST yellow sun radiation whereas Kara flies over guys heads in a mini-skirt.

No x-rays needed.

Shadar

11-21-2007, 10:06 AM

Ahhh... a scientific explanation. Cool.

Imzadia

11-21-2007, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Son of Kal-El20
Maybe we don't need the answer.

My god, what's going to happen to Jimmy if Kara wants to get it on with him :confused: ? Will the poor guy be able to survive that?

:o Exactly! :rolleyes: It's just SILLY!

Eradicator666

11-22-2007, 04:21 AM

On the subject of sex and our boy Blue, I would like to take it a step forward... Many years ago( omg its been 17 YEARS!) I read a superman annual comic. The plot was interesting, the story took place in the near future, Lois became pregnant and was killed when the baby kicked( the funny part was that the cause of the fatal kick was the fact that lois was sunbathing). Please, I know i am not senile, someone else must have read this comic. Lots of srazy SHATner happens in said comic.

Shadar

11-22-2007, 01:42 PM

I remember that comic issue... Lois dying from her baby kicking with Kryptonian strength.

I also recall a grief-stricken Kal saying he'd never get into a relationship with a human woman again. And Lana Lang trying to take advantage of his grief. She never quit trying to get Clark in the comics.

I believe that's where Kal started hanging out with Maxima, who was more or less as powerful as he is. Problem was she came on way too strong. She wanted to repopulate the universe with Kryptonians and she wanted Kal's genetics in the worst way.

Put another way, she wasn't exactly the romantic type.

Kal consorted with her a bit during his grief over Lois' death (there were several wild scenes in a later book of the two of them hanging around her love nest, neither of them wearing much of anything) until he decided that her people, the Almeracs, were too violent and he wasn't going to inflict her superpowered children on the universe.

They became enemies after that. A woman scorned.

Bottom line, the Superman legacy contains all kinds of interesting stories, most of which get erased during periodic Crisis and other retcons.

Smallville is just another attempt to expand the Superman universe. I welcome that, but we have to remember that fans approach Superman from many different perspectives. If you use the entire ********* of Superman comics from June, 1938 to now, you'd be hard-pressed to rule anything out.

For instance, on an opposite angle, in April, 1980, they portrayed Lois and Clark having a teenage daughter named Laura.

Here is a cover scan and a page from that delightful issue:

http://velorian.org/Grab0041.JPG

http://velorian.org/Grab0038.JPG

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-23-2007, 08:28 AM

is that the same Laura Kent that was in the Legion of Super Heroes for a while?

Shadar

11-23-2007, 11:03 AM

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with other appearances of Laura Kent. But DC rarely developed, introduce and then threw away a character in a single issue.

Also interesting in that issue: Kara Zor-El, aka Superwoman, aka Linda Danvers, is the governor of Florida. She's also got a man in her life who knows all her secrets (and whose face they hide in the issue -- she laments that she's never married and her relationships rarely last longer than a year -- but they live together) and she juggles being governor and Superwoman.

http://velorian.org/Grab0024.JPG
http://velorian.org/Grab0025.JPG
http://velorian.org/Grab0026.JPG

Shadar

Tomsgurl88

11-23-2007, 11:41 AM

Yea he definitely supermaned that hoe LMAO :lol:

Baron Karza

11-23-2007, 12:02 PM

Wait... Super WOMAN? I thought Superwoman was a librarian from the future with all kinds of gadgetry kinda like Booster Gold.

Shadar

11-24-2007, 03:55 PM

There is no limit to the twists and turns in the DC universe. In that issue, Kara Zor-El was Superwoman.

I think Kristin Wells has showed up in several issues.

Shadar

Imzadia

11-24-2007, 06:23 PM

Hi 'Shadar' & 'Eradicator666',

Yes, I remember that comic. It wasn't long after that that I stopped reading the 'Superman' titles. I Also remember reading that comic from 1980 about "The Superman Family" and the 'Possible Future' for "Mr. & Mrs. Clark Kent/Superman". It was after the first two Superman movies came out that the comics started focusing on Lois & Clark's relationship more. I Loved the New directions they took Lois & Clark's romance and that they eventually 'allowed' them to get married. It was fun reading IMO.

It was more than a decade of reading DC comics' Superman stories for me before they started getting 'too crazy'. I felt disappointed & that the writers Thought that their readers 'needed' more 'weirdness' to be captivated by the stories. After looking the other way for a few months, I lost interest. So, everything that's happened between them for the last 15 yrs., at least, I'm not familiar with it.

SMALLVILLE is new...Still. Many of you've been saying it. Yes, Clark is an 'Alien', but I prefer to think that even with all of his phenomenal power that makes him so different from humans, his parents wouldn't have sent him to a world so completely different from his own that he'd forever truly be alone. He 'Looks' too much like us, which is supposed to be one of the reasons his parents chose our world out of all of the worlds in our galaxy to send him to, to Not be able to Procreate with us & continue his species. If Kal-El is Genetically incompatible with humans...that makes his story sound hopeless for his own race. That's too sad for a story that's supposed to be uplifting.

It was initially written during the Depression in an effort to give people something to encourage them in difficult times when a "Hero" was needed... Just like the times we're living in today. People needed (& need) to connect with each other, just like Clark needs to 'Connect' with humans. All the rest of that 'craziness' just tends to Complicate everything!

Shadar

11-24-2007, 11:28 PM

To your point on the need for hope, and the need for the Kryptonian race to continue, I agree completely. It has to, and Clark should be paying a great deal of attention to that mandate.

But there are ways to ensure that future which don't involve the radically incompatible mixture of human and Kryptonian DNA.

A future where Lois and Clark are married and raising a super-child, their future romance completed.

Answer... we live in a world today where there are such things as surrogates, it's not an impossible one.

Beyond the obvious surrogate, which would break too much glass to be seriously considered, there is WW. She's nearly as powerful as Clark, so presumably her DNA is more compatible.

Now that would be a story... a child, half Amazon and half Kryptonian, raised by a human mother as her own. Talk about some interesting challenges and endless fresh plot opportunities. Not to mention providing a way to get WW on Smallville, and launch a spinoff series.

Superman of the 21st century can be made honorable and heroic, along with completing his love-destiny and saving his race, all at the same time.

Radical? Yeah. But when Smallville ultimately ends, this could be a source of endless new outside-the box ideas for a spinoff. And it won't simply be rehashing the comic books.

Shadar

Imzadia

11-25-2007, 08:24 PM

Shadar,

You've obviously been thinking about this before now, and so have expressed a particular perspective concerning Kal-El's future & the future of his species. You've shared some great ideas, and I'm sure you're not alone, but how & why are your theories so limited when it comes to his ability to procreate with a human female?

You said that 'a mixture of human (Terran) & Kryptonian DNA is radically incompatible'. Is that axiom firmly rooted in Superman/Clark Kent's mythos somewhere? Why do you come to that conclusion? As I've said, I'm missing the last 15 yrs. of info. on what Supes has been up to. I don't have any knowledge of that being an established 'Fact'. Do you have a particular 'Source' where you got that information?

Also, WW is of Amazonian heritage, but the Amazons are humans historically. I've forgotten what I Used to know about Wonder Woman, but her DNA should be the same as the rest of us with, maybe, some evidence of what makes her superhuman.

Now, since 'Superman' has been going "Off-World" in many of his heroic escapades, he could choose a more compatible race of beings who might more easily 'blend' with Kryptonian DNA, if only propagating his species is his 'major' goal. However, his adoptive 'Home' and World is Earth. It seems that he would naturally want to 'put down his roots' here among his earth family.

I'm thinking that after the 'Clana' romance teeters out, their friendship will remain, but Clark's meandering down that relationship road again probably won't happen before SMALLVILLE ultimately ends. Al/Miles said that Clark Will begin to show some interest in Lois by the end of this season...or would've if we get a Whole 22 episode season. Clark's focus will most likely, Finally, be about completing his Training, learning how to Fly, and fulfilling his 'destiny' in Season 8, if we get a S8.

I agree, there are endless possibilities for 'spinoffs' that could be created from 'outside-the-box' ideas, but who will be willing to carry the torch to continue telling such stories centering around superheroes? Personally, I would Love it! There seems to always be a 'need' for such storytelling, especially compared to so much of the mindless, silliness that's supposed to entertain us out there.

It looks like we've started a debate that would be better served starting a New Thread...maybe.

Imzadia

Mello Penelo

11-25-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Imzadia
You said that 'a mixture of human (Terran) & Kryptonian DNA is radically incompatible'. Is that axiom firmly rooted in Superman/Clark Kent's mythos somewhere? Why do you come to that conclusion? As I've said, I'm missing the last 15 yrs. of info. on what Supes has been up to. I don't have any knowledge of that being an established 'Fact'. Do you have a particular 'Source' where you got that information?

In the golden age, Superman and Lois had a child. A little girl. She was so strong she almost kicked her way out of the womb.

In the silver age, it wasn't touched on.

In the modern age (also called bronze age), as in now, in Lois & Clark they couldn't have children because of the incompatibility in their genetic codes.

In Smallville, in the episode Skinwalkers, the visitor who predicted Naman was from "the stars" (Krypton) had a child with a native American. Professor Willowbrook said through that union, the Kawatche people were born.

So, you can assume from what Willowbrook said, Clark can have a child with a human. (Unless Al/Miles get a touch of non-continuity and pull a Superman 2, where he can't.)

And before the Infinite Crisis, Clark and Lois were supposed to have a child, but I didn't finish reading that arc, so I don't know how it worked out.

From age to age, it depends on the writer.

Imzadia

11-25-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo

In Smallville, in the episode Skinwalkers, the visitor who predicted Naman was from "the stars" (Krypton) had a child with a native American. Professor Willowbrook said through that union, the Kawatche people were born.

So, you can assume from what Willowbrook said, Clark can have a child with a human. (Unless Al/Miles get a touch of non-continuity and pull a Superman 2, where he can't.)

From age to age, it depends on the writer.

:D Thanks, 'Mello Penelo'! You gave me great info. You're absolutely right. I'd forgotten about what Willowbrook had said. So, it does seem that "From age to age, it depends on the writer."
Now, it would make a Whole Lot MORE Sense if TPTB would allow Clark's & Lana's intimate 'issues' be decided by their personal, emotional, & 'moral compasses'. No more of that 'earth-quaking sex device' (If they're Both 'super', and NONE if they're their 'regular' selves) to make it seem Impossible for Clark to have anything close to a 'normal' sexual experience with an earth woman. :lol: He's got enough 'Other' crap to deal with already!

Mello Penelo

11-25-2007, 11:03 PM

That sex-quake crap was horrible, totally unnecessary and wholly contrived. There was no reason for it to happen. Clark does not have super sex. EVER.

Imzadia

11-25-2007, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
That sex-quake crap was horrible, totally unnecessary and wholly contrived. There was no reason for it to happen. Clark does not have super sex. EVER.

:) I totally agree! I was NOT amused! :mad: Thanks for clearing some things up for me. :confused: They entered into a zone I call "Too weird to be taken seriously." Clark only recently mustered up the nerve to accept Jor-El's Training only to be deterred by Jor-El himself directing Clark to make guiding Kara the first step of his training.

So, up until now, unknown 'super' territory has been too scary for Clark. He was pitiful when he discovered he'd developed Heat Vision. Any more WAY-Weird stuff on an 'intimate' level would be Too much, IMO. So, I'm glad to hear he doesn't have 'super sex'...EVER. Identifying with humans in appearance should have him expect to have 'working parts' the same as ours. Although he gets the bulk of his sustenance & strength from our Yellow sun, Clark still gets hungry & likes to eat, he sleeps, needs to bathe, and, I assume, eliminates wastes from his body. All of his other bodily functions SHOULD follow a similar pattern. ;)

:\ Maybe I should reinstate my comic book reading hobby/habit so I wouldn't be so clueless about the 'details' of my favorite heroes anymore. I'm feeling 'left out', but I have too many years to catch up. I can't be On A Mission to 'Cram' Superman comics. :lol: Anybody, ...Got any suggestions? The Time-saving kind? :rotfl:

Mello Penelo

11-26-2007, 05:09 AM

Read the DC Comics Encyclopedia.

Imzadia

11-26-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Read the DC Comics Encyclopedia.

:D I appreciate your help, 'Mello Penelo'. :eek: I wasn't aware that such a 'volume' existed! Where might I locate such a 'thing'?
I wouldn't want to purchase the Whole DC Comics Encyclopedia, since I'd only be interested in the Characters I'm interested in. So, ...How should I go about finding what I want? :\

Mello Penelo

11-26-2007, 05:39 PM

I got mine from Books-A-Million.

bad3appels

11-26-2007, 06:06 PM

i can`t believe this tread is still going on,hehehe
the supersex :lol:

Shadar

11-26-2007, 07:38 PM

The fact that the super-sex thread is still active says three things:

1) We're a bunch of folks with very different opinions on this subject, but that we're very polite and civilized in discussing those differences. The moderators have not had to rescue us.

2) Kal El of Krypton is a fascinating character, no matter how we envision him. A super man.

3) Sex, no matter what angle you approach it from, is an endlessly fascinating subject.

Putting 2 and 3 together amps things up all that much more, especially given that the Smallville writers have decided to let the future Superman HAVE a sex life.

The world was introduced to Superman when he was full grown. I love Smallville because it explores how he became the man he is.

All is needed is to get the writers to show him 'gelling' and turning onto the man he's going to become. To learn from his (many) mistakes and become stronger for it.

Forgetting everything else, that's the MUST, and it can't happen in 3 episodes. They need half a season to make it believable.

So far... they haven't even started, IMHO.

Shadar

Imzadia

11-26-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Shadar
The fact that the super-sex thread is still active says three things:

1) We're a bunch of folks with very different opinions on this subject, but that we're very polite and civilized in discussing those differences. The moderators have not had to rescue us.

2) Kal El of Krypton is a fascinating character, no matter how we envision him. A super man.

3) Sex, no matter what angle you approach it from, is an endlessly fascinating subject.

Putting 2 and 3 together amps things up all that much more, especially given that the Smallville writers have decided to let the future Superman HAVE a sex life.

The world was introduced to Superman when he was full grown. I love Smallville because it explores how he became the man he is.

All that is needed is to get the writers to show him 'gelling' and turning into the man he's going to become. To learn from his (many) mistakes and become stronger for it.

Forgetting everything else, that's the MUST, and it can't happen in 3 episodes. They need half a season to make it believable.

So far... they haven't even started, IMHO.

Shadar

:eek: WOW!! ...And DITTO!

In response to your 1.) Shadar, all I could do is this :rotfl: :rotfl:

To the REST of your commentary...Again, DITTO! You've said everything I'd like to have said. :D Thanks! I applaud you and I feel like saying it so, "AMEN!" ;)

Baron Karza

11-27-2007, 10:18 AM

Look. The guy has a "Super Kiss" It's in both the comics and one of the movies. How can we accept that and not the possibility that he's super "down there" as well? What's the big deal? A few red sun lamps and that's it. I like doing it with the lights on, too. So?

Shadar

11-28-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Imzadia
Shadar,

You said that 'a mixture of human (Terran) & Kryptonian DNA is radically incompatible'. Is that axiom firmly rooted in Superman/Clark Kent's mythos somewhere? Why do you come to that conclusion? As I've said, I'm missing the last 15 yrs. of info. on what Supes has been up to. I don't have any knowledge of that being an established 'Fact'. Do you have a particular 'Source' where you got that information?

Also, WW is of Amazonian heritage, but the Amazons are humans historically. I've forgotten what I Used to know about Wonder Woman, but her DNA should be the same as the rest of us with, maybe, some evidence of what makes her superhuman.

I agree, there are endless possibilities for 'spinoffs' that could be created from 'outside-the-box' ideas, but who will be willing to carry the torch to continue telling such stories centering around superheroes? Personally, I would Love it! There seems to always be a 'need' for such storytelling, especially compared to so much of the mindless, silliness that's supposed to entertain us out there.

It looks like we've started a debate that would be better served starting a New Thread...maybe.

Imzadia

I'm sure you're right about this being a new thread... the possibilities are endless.

As far as the comment on DNA compatibility... I believe research shows that Apes and Man only differ by 2% or so, and we can't interbreed. Compared to that, Kryptonian and human DNA should be radically different, but given the identical appearances, we have to share a common origin. Same goes for Amazons.

So that says either two things: 1) their DNA has been tweaked in very specific ways. The comic history suggests that parallel evolution is responsible, but its ludicrous to think that nature would have given Krypts/Amazons that kind of strength and power without changing their form even the tiniest bit. So that suggests some very deliberate genetic engineering, something that wasn't even on the Science Fiction plate in 1938, but is becoming real today. Perhaps someone was trying to create a race of protectors for the human race, or its new overlord. I could have fun with that.

2) or, their powers are purely magical. Given other people can 'catch them, I can only conclude the latter, no matter how silly that seems.

Given what we know of genetics today, I'd much prefer an explanation that said some advanced race inserted some special genes into a human DNA matrix and made the Kryptonian race. I've been working on some fiction that focuses in that direction.

But we're not going to get any help from the canonical Superman history in this direction. Which takes us back to magic. Darn it.

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-28-2007, 01:06 PM

First, there are really no kryptonians and no amazonians. So any speculation on genetic compatibility is just for fun.

Now, let's look at the facts(fictitious as they are).

Kryptonians are clearly human, in more than just appearance. They have, as far as anyone knows, the same physiology as humans.

Kal-el has a prostate, a four-chambered heart, red blood, and as the very writers themselves state, he does everything else a normal human does (I would expect his super-digestive system means he doesn't have to take a super-dump as often as humans since it's probably super-efficient).

It may well be that the source of kryptonian and daxamite powers would represent a very tiny fraction of the total DNA, that is to say that all that power would come from miniscule differences in cell structures.

This implies that a human (embryo) could be manipulated to develop into an organism with kryptonian abilities. It's also likely that, unless you look at kryptonian cells thru special light (maybe polarized light) you would see no obvious difference. And you probably wouldn't notice anything else unusual about the sample unless you actually sequenced it.

As for humans being compatible with apes, I know of no study ever having been done to prove that. Just the consideration of it would have caused an outrage. But other similar animals cross breed all the time. Donkeys with Zebras, Lions and tigers, and even different species of apes have been successfully cross-bred.

Shadar

11-28-2007, 01:18 PM

We're in sync relative to Krypts and humans only being differentiated by small genetic changes. Some kind of gene that lets them process energy in unusual ways. It makes some kind of pseudo-science sense, given what we know today.

And pseudo-sciences is as close as we're going to get to Krpts and Amazons.

That doesn't explain how Lana gets 'empowered', but I can chalk that up to a lapse of continuity on the part of the writers. Meteor rocks inducing mutations, some of which result in Krypt-like powers, even that makes more sense than lightning bolts.

I'd buy into some kind of hormonal imbalance, that's stimulated by an energy exchange from Clark, which might make her super-energetic for a while, sort of like an overdose of adrenaline. But not the whole flying and bending steel in her bare hands and bouncing bullets off her bod kind of thing.

Good point on the interbreeding opportunity (or lack thereof) between humans and apes. Might be hard to get research funds to test it.

Besides, apes probably think we're profoundly ugly (given that most of our fur fell out) so it might be hard to get an ape to sign up for the program.

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-28-2007, 03:36 PM

I believe the evidence points to the possibility that apes think we're kind of cute because adult human features somewhat resemble infant ape features.

The only thing that is certain is that they like Shrek dolls (I guess he looks like an ape).

Wonder woman: I just don't know. I thought she was made from clay, but I guess they changed that.

Pseudo-science:
I always postulated that the molecules in Superman's cell walls were alligned in a lattice. This way you get a biological equivalent of a peizo-electric effect that explains the field that makes him invulnerable (it also allows him to lend integrity to unstable objects when he's flying them, like when he rips a big chunk of sidewalk with people on it and flies them to safety). The crystal lattice theory would also explain why krypto-clones come out all rocky like Bizzarro.

Also, if he ever knocks up a girl the baby won't be super until it's exposed to yellow sunlight.

Shadar

11-28-2007, 03:47 PM

You might have something there... humans looking like baby apes and thus being likeable. But given the previous topic, if an ape got into that they way suggested, I guess that would make him an ape pedophile. So obviously this is a dead end.

As far as the baby girl and yellow sunlight... I guess that means direct sunlight on her skin. If so, and just a bit of skin is all it takes to block the sun's power, then if you keep Supes inside for a bit, he turns into a wimp.

I thought his just being in the influence of a yellow sun was good enough? Although he obviously gets an extra jazz from taking his sunlight straight. If so, then he could float around in the corona of the sun and really soak it up.

If so, where does he store it? Is it reasonable to assume that some Kryptonians can store more "sunlight power" than others? Are women better at that than men?

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-29-2007, 08:40 AM

Yes, on these very boards they cite something called the "Photoneuclaic effect" or something like that. Apparently Superman has indeed flown into the corona of the sun once to get super-DUPER powers.

How is it stored? More pseudo-scientific fakery:
In photosynthesis there is a molecule involved that bends when exposed to sunlight. It releases energy when it bends back. Maybe kryptonians have a similar structure in their cells. Once again, it would require a minimal genetic divergence to create this structure.

Or it could just be he creates a chemical besides vitamin D that is responsible for his super powers. A chemical like that could give normal humans super powers (or make them explode).

And, yes in theory if you kept superman in the dark eventually he should become powerless. That is, unless the radiation from the sun that is responsible for his powers in outside the visible spectrum.

And no, women wouldn't be better. They tend to expose more skin than men. Skirts and low-cuts and that sort of thing.

Shadar

11-29-2007, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza

How is it stored? More pseudo-scientific fakery:
In photosynthesis there is a molecule involved that bends when exposed to sunlight. It releases energy when it bends back. Maybe kryptonians have a similar structure in their cells. Once again, it would require a minimal genetic divergence to create this structure.

Or it could just be he creates a chemical besides vitamin D that is responsible for his super powers. A chemical like that could give normal humans super powers (or make them explode).

And, yes in theory if you kept superman in the dark eventually he should become powerless. That is, unless the radiation from the sun that is responsible for his powers in outside the visible spectrum.

And no, women wouldn't be better. They tend to expose more skin than men. Skirts and low-cuts and that sort of thing.

Ah. so we finally have an explanation for PG's cutout (she's absorbing energy where it counts) and SG's tiny skirt and (recent) bare midriff. She's not trying to look hot, she's just soaking up ergs.

Which makes me wonder if that makes them stronger at times than Supes, who wears a 'cover-all' suit. Even Clark in Smallville rarely exposes much skin.

Shadar

Baron Karza

11-29-2007, 09:23 AM

Well, I think that's just strategy. If I had to fight Power Girl, I don't know that I'd be able to concentrate on the fight.

...which brings us back to earth-shattering sex...

lol.

Shadar

11-29-2007, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Well, I think that's just strategy. If I had to fight Power Girl, I don't know that I'd be able to concentrate on the fight.

...which brings us back to earth-shattering sex...

lol.

Maybe she subdues her opponents in a gentler way than punching them out (and their suffering broken bones and terrible bruising and the risk of more serious brain injuries). A couple of minutes without air will put anyone down, but not kill them. How she might take advantage of her 'advantages' and costume to do that is an exercise for the reader's imagination.

PG, like WW, would be interesting guest characters on Smallville. But given we're running out of scripts for our existing cast, and haven't really figured out the Kara thing yet, I suppose that can wait.

I'd rather see Clark pull it together and become the heroic Superman that he must.

Shadar

Imzadia

11-30-2007, 06:47 PM

OK, Fellas...I'm back for a little while. I haven't been here with you for a few days, and when I come back, I had to go back a few days to see HOW you got to where you are here!

:eek: Googly!! It seems that you guys have gone on an excursion into the zones on the edges of what started out to be...(and I had to go back to the top to see what the original Thread's title is) "Earth-shattering Clana Sex". :rotfl:

I admit, you all have a great flair for dramatic embellishment of a somewhat 'simple' subject. I can go there with you, because my imagination runs rampant, too, sometimes. Yes, 'Baron Karza', it Is only ideas stemming from our imaginations, because in truth, there Are No Kryptonians or Amazonians as races of people (except the native Amazonian tribes in South America)...
. . .But it IS ALL in FUN.

:\ The scientific approach is a fine way to analyze the possibilities of a Kryptonian procreating with a human, but as 'Shadar' said, when Superman was first created and introduced in 1938, genetic sequencing and 'tweaking' had not been heard of in the greater scientific community, let alone by Siegel and Shuster, the two young men who created the character.

I'm sure their imaginative, creative infusion of a 'Hero', unlike any other before him or since, into the landscape of youthful minds of that time, had no vision of the scope of theirs' and Supes' influence on our society or that it would've lasted this long. Who he was supposed to be was well planned and he was given a solid foundation, or his story would not have survived for 70 yrs.
Because of all those with 'different' approaches who added to the 'scientific' reasoning behind Superman's existence, the canvas varies greatly and is also interchangeable.

:confused: Anyone who is not familiar with, at least, the last 30 yrs. of Superman's history would be totally confused with only a 'taste' of it, especially with only the New, Re-interpretation of it as on Smallville. Al/Miles said that they hoped to reach a 'new' audience for Smallville and the re-telling or rejuvenation of Clark Kent's story to capture a new generation of fans. Their 'story' Has, IMO, enriched the foundation of Clark Kent's story. It continues to captivate me, and I'm interested in any new directions they take us in, other than the perpetuation of his high school, first-love, romance with Lana Lang. ...UNLESS it further develops the strength of character he dons like his cape when he fully becomes Superman because of those experiences.

There's so much information, and so much has been changed, eliminated, brought back, ignored, etc. Those who are 'experts' on the topic of Clark Kent/Superman would or Should be more forgiving when it comes to what is to be accepted within his Mythos. I only have knowledge of his beginnings, and 40 yrs. from the mid 50's to the mid 90's with Lois & Clark. Now, I'm a little lost, too. It's still a subject that has had so many different perspectives:\

;) The possibilities Are nearly endless, and it seems we don't get too tired of discussing them, :p but it's still a Tragic story. I'd like to see a 'Happy' ending/possibility every once in a while. Clark having earthquaking, thunderous, 'earth-shattering', "Super Sex" is Not a good way to see that happening for him. :( That's MHO, of course. All the rest of that Scientific jargon, is taking this debate down a meandering path that No writer will likely follow.

'Mello Penelo' made some very important points about SMALLVILLE Canon concerning the Kawache Tribe and their connection to 'visiting' Kryptonians hundreds of year ago. A precedent has already been established, but oddly forgotten. The Kawache Tribe is supposed to be the RESULT of a Kryptonian -- Human UNION. They are the descendents of such a Union! I'm going to dig out that episode and watch it again just to make sure. But, I'll get back with you in a few days to confirm or deny it, regardless.

However, just to add a little spice to the mix, :cool: I would like to ask any of you if you were familiar with another sci-fi series called "Farscape"? I'm still on topic with 'Super Clana Sex, Cross-species breeding, and possibilities for semi-'normal' sexual activity' here. Speaking of early Humanity being "seeded" with some type of Advanced genetics and possibly facilitating the Emergence of the Kryptonian race...There was a similar storyline in Farscape. It was revealed near the ending of the series that the leading protagonists of that series, The Peacekeepers, who looked totally human, were the results of genetic tampering and purposeful engineering done on early humans and then relocated to another part of the galaxy to serve in the capacity they'd been designed for.

:) There were some minor differences between the two species, but basically, they were compatible. In that series, there was one union that Should've been forbidden. The Peacekeepers & the Scarens were physiologically opposite; One craved and naturally produced Heat, the other was repelled by it, yet there was a successful union of the two that produced a being who suffered with the contradiction of traits within himself.

Another scenario is what they did in the Star Trek universe. Almost any species could inter-breed. Some needed a little medical, genetic intervention to assist with a successful union, but usually, most 'Humanoid' species were compatible. They'd just be half 'whatever?' and half 'whatever?'. So that whatever traits that were commonly prevalent in a certain species/race would be diminished by half...unless one of the genetic donors in a particular union proved to have more dominant characteristics. :\ There was even one episode of ST:TNG that explored the rationale that there was a commonality among ALL species. It was meant philosophically to encourage a sense of "Brotherhood". The focus of Peace should be on what makes us alike rather than what makes us different. It was about tolerance and acceptance.

Anyway, some attention should be given to what makes Superman more like us than to what makes him vastly different. His Super Abilities make it Obvious how unlike us he is, but he should be able to Connect in 'other' more basic ways. That's all.
Highly ADVANCED Medicine, genetics, and 'other' unknown sciences in those Other 'Imagined' universes have their own set of rules. However, they have some basis in fledgling scientific concepts. Their probabilities are feasible even if not remotely possible at this time. That's usually good enough for me, and I don't think it should be harder than that. :D

Of course, bringing that 'advanced medicine/science' into Our present time would require some type of Time Travel or device, but the plain old 'natural order' of all things 'natural' should compensate for a LOT. A lot of creative people who associate themselves with Superman seem to over-complicate things sometimes. Most of the time, when 'the parts' Fit in the right places and a 'connection' can be made, that seems to work. Well, that's my '2 cents' for now. I'll check back here in a couple of days to see if you're still at it. I do get a good laugh at what you guys come up with, though. :rotfl: Geniuses!!

Imzadia ;)

Shadar

11-30-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Imzadia
OK, Fellas...I'm back for a little while. I haven't been here with you for a few days, and when I come back, I had to go back a few days to see HOW you got to where you are here!

Such a twisted web we weave... and like a bug in a web, we sometimes get stuck in strange places.

This has been a fun thread...

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-03-2007, 07:08 AM

I still say that if Clark has sex with a normal woman her pelvis will explode.

Shadar

12-03-2007, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
I still say that if Clark has sex with a normal woman her pelvis will explode.

The novelist SF writer Larry Niven did some calculations (or some geometry) and said it would blow the top of her head off.

But I think we've established that Clark isn't that kind of guy. If that was a problem in the Superman-universe (which there is considerable debate regarding), then he'd be as considerate of human health and well-being as he always is.

The simplest and most likely solution would be to ensure that he didn't lose control. He could still be God's gift to women (he IS a Man of Steel) but remain a bit unfulfilled himself. Until he ran into the right kind of super lady.

Of course, that doesn't answer the procreation question, but that could have multiple solutions, several of which have been discussed.

Personally, I think the simplest and most workable concept is that Kryptonians came from human stock and were genetically enhanced to give them special powers under a yellow sun. Perhaps by someone named Rao (whom they now worship) who was an advanced alien.

Which means that all kinds of backward compatibilities could have been designed in allowing the two races to bear children, and presumably not worry about sex either. That would solve all the problems, and also avoid the obvious impossibility of the Kryptonian and human races evolving in parallel yet being so much alike.

The originators of Superman would never have thought of this in the 1930s, but it makes sense today. All you need is an alien race who has some unique genetic trait (incredible vitality when radiation of certain frequency reaches their cells -- perhaps that species was a microscopic animal that lived on comets that came alive when they fell inward toward the sun and tough enough to survive the cold part of the ecliptic -- a kind of sunlight-energy being) and you insert that gene into human stock to grant humans that power at the cellular level. Voila... Kryptonians.

Which would technically make Clark a chimera.

An interesting concept... as that alone could be used as the pseudo-science to explain everything.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-03-2007, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Shadar
The simplest and most likely solution would be to ensure that he didn't lose control.

First of all, sex is NOT about restraint. It's about, if anything, the releasing of inhibitions. Trust me, if you try to do it with someone and you try to keep yourself under control then you just aren't doing it right.

The simplest solution WOULD be to just do it under a red sun lamp. No biggie.

The sunlight thing probably just comes from the fact that Rao is red, and therefore dimmer. Kryptonian skin would have to work much harder to do the natural stuff that our skin does under yellow light. So, exposure to yellow light means it's working doubletime.

Shadar

12-03-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
First of all, sex is NOT about restraint. It's about, if anything, the releasing of inhibitions.

Normally true, but its been established that Clark has amazing abilities of self-control -- most of the time. And given he knows the consequences, I'm sure he could manage to draw upon his superhuman power of self-control.

And whose to say that frail and fragile humans really do it for him anyway? At one level, certainly, he and Lana definitely have a thing, hut remember that he's emotionally a human, but not physically.

He's not going to hurt the one he loves.

Besides, this thread dealt with events when Lana was super. So presumably, that gave him the chance to stop biting his lip and holding back. Plus Chloe said "I thought you guys couldn't really do it".

Which brings us back to your loss of control point and the ground tremors. I think we're in sync on that.

Or that red sun radiation is the other way.

I'm just adding the possibility that the third way is that he's also just really good at not letting go (of any of his powers) when someone can get hurt.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-03-2007, 11:53 AM

Dude, any kind of super-restraint he had should have been applied to NOT doing it in the first place.

Imzadia

12-03-2007, 05:28 PM

WELL, ...Okaaaayy, then! Celibacy Rules! OR, If there's still any Importance left to whether or not the Kryptonian race could/would continue beyond Kal-El and Kara-El (Is she even still around in the Superman universe other than in Smallville and Justice League Unlimited?)...Maybe Kal-El and Kara-El could do like 'old world' Royalty did and marry and procreate within their own family like with a 'cousin'. Ewww!

The End of a race, especially such an 'advanced' race, should be a situation that is Desperate. Maybe in Desperation they'll be a type of surrogate Adam and Eve for Krypton. Perhaps, Clark will enlist the assistance of some advanced scientist to find someone 'compatible' from some Other world. Removing sexual activity from the equasion could be acceptable if Clark resigns to 'Make a VOW of Celibacy'. He could just adapt it as his way of life like some monks and priests do. At least, until during his very long life he finds someone who he can have a 'full' relationship with, share his marriage bed, have children with, and live as long as he will.

Other than that, however, at some point in the future as he ages and considers his mortality, and some writers have already explored this a bit, Clark might simply Adopt children since Family is so important to him. He already has a substantial Legacy to pass on. His experiences and wisdom garnered from his 'galaxy stretching' adventures in the past and those still to come are more than worth passing on to future ganerations.

Although, Clark has now experienced 'Super Sex' with Lana, as well as Regular sex with Lana, how would that type of necessary, self-imposed celibacy affect him emotionally? It isn't likely that Lana will regain her 'superness' again, so I'm back to where I started with this topic...It's SAD for Clark, and any woman who loves him to have to agree to and settle for a Platonic relationship.

There's very little humor in Smallville. I can't see how this subject could be seen as something 'ha-ha' funny. This is an on-going story, forget about discontinuity, that shows Clark's progression toward becoming Superman. Any adult sexual activity must fall under the PG catagory because of network restraints, but I think that it should be addressed with seriousness.

Shadar

12-03-2007, 06:27 PM

I don't see Clark as becoming celibate... just careful. He's a super man. Celibacy blows away a bunch of fantasies. More fun for him to have a few 'challenges' in this area, and finding ways to work through it.

As far as Kara and continuing the race, that's the only obvious solution. But the show won't get there as they played up the cousin thing too much (although first cousins can marry in most of the world... also in most US states).

In the comic, she's usually too young to be considered seriously for that 'job'. Clark is closer to middle-age and she's mid-teens. Perfect from a child-bearing, biological perspective, but socially an anathema.

It only worked in the Superman mythos at the end of Peter David's writing of the Supergirl comic, where Linda Danvers marries him and has a super-kid in an alternate universe. She's not Kara, she's older, but she has many of Kara's abilities., and is, of course, known as Supergirl.

That series of books was cancelled and replaced by the Kara we know today... with a new twist in Smallville. Clark is fairly young, and Kara's older (by years) but younger (by maturity and appearance).

All the myriad ways...

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-04-2007, 08:03 AM

Look. Nobody has to worry about continuing the race. There's still the whole city of Kandor, remember?

Hmmm... I think I know where Clark is spending his honeymoon now.

Shadar

12-04-2007, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Look. Nobody has to worry about continuing the race. There's still the whole city of Kandor, remember?

Hmmm... I think I know where Clark is spending his honeymoon now.

I keep forgetting about that place... have the writers actually addressed that in SV? I mean, we got folks popping in from the phantom zone, but Kandor would open up a lot of things, given they aren't all criminals like in the phantom zone.

If so, where is Kandor in SV? On the shelf in Clark's barn or something?

Shadar

Darc Kent

12-04-2007, 08:38 AM

Its too early in Clark's life for him to worry about continuing the race. Clark has yet to learn how to fly and is still stuck silly on Lana. They have also put a lot of emphasis on Clark and Kara being cousins so it would really be risky for them to put some romance between them.

Shadar

12-04-2007, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Darc Kent
Its too early in Clark's life for him to worry about continuing the race. Clark has yet to learn how to fly and is still stuck silly on Lana. They have also put a lot of emphasis on Clark and Kara being cousins so it would really be risky for them to put some romance between them.

If you thought you were the last man alive, and you suddenly discovered that you were wrong, that a totally hot girl was the other survivor, you don't think that keeping the human race alive wouldn't be a priority? THE priority.

The animal kingdom shows us how we react reproductively when we are threatened with extinction... fertility goes through the roof.

That's been observed in isolated human groups as well.

Are Krypts exempt from the most basic and powerful biological imperative -- keeping their race alive?

I think not. Clark just has to figure out that these frail, human women aren't the answer, and that this biological mandate is what's whacking him out and causing all the confusion.

He can still sort out the mess with Lana and establish his love-destiny with Lois, but wouldn't it be cool if setting up house with Lois also involved a little super girl -- not Lois' child, but a child she adopts as her own.

Of course, the Supergirl mythos would get a bit twisted if Kara was pregnant half the time, and we'd have more of those 'Earth-shaking moments', but those red and blue costumes are supposedly very stretchy.

Shadar

Mello Penelo

12-04-2007, 09:09 AM

^^^^^ And you really make Clark a BDA. And make his and Kara's kids BDAs too. They're not from Alabama, so don't think they'd inbreed.

Darc Kent

12-04-2007, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
^^^^^ And you really make Clark a BDA. And make his and Kara's kids BDAs too. They're not from Alabama, so don't think they'd inbreed.

I wouldn't go that far to Stereotype a whole State thats rumored to do that sort of thing but just the fact that Clark and Kara are cousins would be risky for the network itself to put some romance between them. They just have to draw the line somewhere. If they didn't there would be Picket Signs outside the studio.

kp1984

12-05-2007, 04:48 PM

I never notice this but Kara like 40.

Shadar

12-05-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by kp1984
I never notice this but Kara like 40.

Kara (in the comics) was 15 years old in 1957. That makes her 65.

The Kara in Smallville was 16 when Clark was born, so she's 37.

But thanks to being in statis while trapped in a chunk of Kryptonite, she's more like 18, physically and and emotionally

And I don't think a Kryptonian is going to need to flash a birth certificate around on Earth.

Which suggests that these law-abiding citizens (including Superman of the comics who supposed never breaks a law) use fraudulent, illegal identification papers, or else they'd never get a driver's license.

They are in fact, Illegal Aliens.

Shadar

Imzadia

12-06-2007, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by Shadar
Clark just has to figure out that these frail, human women aren't the answer, and that this biological mandate is what's whacking him out and causing all the confusion.

Of course, the Supergirl mythos would get a bit twisted if Kara was pregnant half the time, and we'd have more of those 'Earth-shaking moments', but those red and blue costumes are supposedly very stretchy.

Shadar

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Baron Karza

12-06-2007, 08:12 AM

Ha ha! I LOVE this thread! I think I'm gonna live here!

(sets up recliner)

Oh, btw. Wouldn't Clark and Kara qualify for refugee status?

Mello Penelo

12-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Oh, btw. Wouldn't Clark and Kara qualify for refugee status?

Nah. Bush would deport them. Get rid of the good aliens, keep the illegals who are cleaning his house.

Shadar

12-06-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Ha ha! I LOVE this thread! I think I'm gonna live here!

(sets up recliner)

Oh, btw. Wouldn't Clark and Kara qualify for refugee status?

Well, refugee status is determined by the threat of death and violence if one returned home. Given Krypton had a red sun and a Kryptonian in the cold vacuum of space is going to die very fast if they are in the influence of a red sun, I think a vaporized planet would qualify just fine. No way they can return to anything.

What is more fun to imagine is how the government would REALLY react to a publicly visible Superman or Supergirl in the current political environment. Given they live in the US, I'm betting they'd get honorary citizenship and be called "All American Heroes" and be given red, white and blue uniforms to wear, and then would promptly be called upon to defend the national security interests of the US. Or save soldiers lives.

If they tried to stay neutral and refused to help fight terrorism or whatever, (and have enough taste to refuse those tacky uniforms), and also espouse a non-political "I'm the citizen of no country -- I'm here to help all people" line, then they'd be labeled as dangerous to US national security. As in, "you are either with us or against us".

It would get twisted after that. Entire organizations would be created to keep track of them. To develop ways to stop them. To control them. Dark stuff. Black Ops stuff. Probably all sub-contracted to Lex Luthor, who actually has some useful technology for the job.

That's a very different scenario than the innocent hero worship of 20th century comic books, where Superman and the President were always "swell buddies" and Luthor was a common criminal.

But then, SV's Clark and Kara aren't exactly the "you can trust me with your world because of my super-morality and my pledge to never take a life -- no matter what" types.

I mean, that was a big part of the old Superman mythos. He could wipe out the planet, but he pledged to never take a life -- even when someone really needed killing to prevent more innocent deaths.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-06-2007, 11:00 AM

"MARGE! Beer me!"

Well I haven't picked up a comic in a while, but last I remember there WAS a BUNCH of government projects geared solely towards tracking, counteracting and even destroying Superman and his colleagues.

Back in the glory days of COURSE the government wouldn't black-op the superheroes because the technology was so lacking. But I'm sure that SOMEONE in the government would have had a bull's eye painted on Superman's ass.

Also, back in the day he made a POINT of standing for "Truth, Justice and the AMERICAN WAY". These days he stands only for truth and justice. The "American way" seems to have become something with which the former two things no longer are involved.

On that note I want tell a story I heard about John F. Kennedy. During the Cuban Missile Crisis he met up with the Prime minister of France. He wanted to justify the blockade of Cuba by showing him satelite photos of the missile silos being built in there. President De Gaulle didn't even look at the photos and responded, to the effect that "If the predident of the United States says so that's good enough for me".

Boy, talk about glory days.

Okay can we talk about sex more? How is Jimmy gonna schtup Kara? He's gonna need a gallon of WD-40 and a crowbar, man.

Shadar

12-06-2007, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
"MARGE! Beer me!"

Okay can we talk about sex more? How is Jimmy gonna schtup Kara? He's gonna need a gallon of WD-40 and a crowbar, man.

Hmmm... assuming she's interested, I'd think that an underground location, no yellow sun rays, and some big time red sun projectors would do the trick.

She'd be cute, sexy, and without worries, very passionate.

Of course, that might be hard to arrange without raising Jimmy's suspicions. I don't think he has his head wrapped around having a sexual relationship with an alien super girl, bur rather just a very cute girl. He doesn't even know what a Kryptonian is.

So this is Kara's issue, which begs the question of whether she's even thought much about the problem of her being hundreds of times stronger than Jimmy.

I don't recall discussions about sexual mores on Krypton. She was sixteen when she left so that opens the question about her sexual experience pre-Earth. The comics never went there for obvious reasons.

But Kryptonians were an advanced race. That could be construed as them having more stringent sexual mores, or more liberal ones. Plus, Krypts may mature at different rates of Krypton. And a year there isn't necessarily a year here.

I guess what I'm saying is that Earth norms may not apply to her in this area any more than they do in other areas. But she will presumably be motived to behave like a human.

Shadar

Imzadia

12-07-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Look. Nobody has to worry about continuing the race. There's still the whole city of Kandor, remember?

:D Great reminder, 'Baron Karza'. I'd forgotten about them, too. You're mentioning it here, but recently, I watched a Saturday morning cartoon show, The Legion of Superheroes, with one of my little grandsons. (:rolleyes: Yes, I'm a grandma!) It was an episode when a young superman, as part of this 'Legion', participates with them in his future and has a confrontation at his FOS.

While there, the crisis involves the Miniature City of Kandor in a Bottle. There were over a million citizens inhabiting it. So, ...Continuation of their race 'Not a Problem'! :D Finding someone to procreate with, 'Not a Problem'. Right? It's just that in that story, he's 1,000 years into his future and had failed to keep his promise to Restore the city to its normal size.

Sooo...?? :confused: :\ Was 'that' Situation ever resolved in the comics? That seems to bring 'Supes' back to "Square One" if not. :(

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Nah. Bush would deport them. Get rid of the good aliens, keep the illegals who are cleaning his house.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Baron Karza

12-07-2007, 03:08 PM

There are several different takes on Kandor. The (failed) promise to restore it to its original size is yet another new spin.

In some tellings, the Kandorians shrank themselves to escape Krypton's demise. In others it was transported to a dimension parallel to the Phantom Zone.

In my personal favorite telling, BRANIAC himself shrank Kandor to create a new krypton somewhere else. After being recovered by Superman there were a bunch of four-inch-tall beings running around all as strong as Superman. At this time I believe Superman DID have a ray to make them grow (and make himself shrink).

In many of the tellings, Superman did indeed restore Kandor and made a replica as a momento.

Imzadia

12-07-2007, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Shadar
What is more fun to imagine is how the government would REALLY react to a publicly visible Superman or Supergirl in the current political environment. Given they live in the US, I'm betting they'd get honorary citizenship and be called "All American Heroes" and be given red, white and blue uniforms to wear, and then would promptly be called upon to defend the national security interests of the US. Or save soldiers lives.

If they tried to stay neutral and refused to help fight terrorism or whatever, (and have enough taste to refuse those tacky uniforms), and also espouse a non-political "I'm the citizen of no country -- I'm here to help all people" line, then they'd be labeled as dangerous to US national security. As in, "you are either with us or against us".

It would get twisted after that. Entire organizations would be created to keep track of them. To develop ways to stop them. To control them. Dark stuff. Black Ops stuff. Probably all sub-contracted to Lex Luthor, who actually has some useful technology for the job.

That's a very different scenario than the innocent hero worship of 20th century comic books, where Superman and the President were always "swell buddies" and Luthor was a common criminal.

But then, SV's Clark and Kara aren't exactly the "you can trust me with your world because of my super-morality and my pledge to never take a life -- no matter what" types.

I mean, that was a big part of the old Superman mythos. He could wipe out the planet, but he pledged to never take a life -- even when someone really needed killing to prevent more innocent deaths.

Shadar

:( All So True, 'Shadar', but Sad. OMG! :eek: You made me feel Nostalgic remembering the 'Simpler' times of those Long Ago days. I was a 'Happy' child and what I associate with my youth does Not include 'stress'. I expressed my appreciation to my mom before she died and made sure she knew that the only thing I ever missed was not having a 'color' TV. :lol:

Unfortunately, during those superficially 'simple' times, there were 'Dark' things, too, concerning human rights and equality. :confused: Arrgh!! I FEEL SO CONFLICTED! :eek: It would be both Scary and Sad if our beloved superheroes weren't part of an imaginary world but had to suffer the fear-driven prejudices and its consequences in our world's Reality.

Shadar, you described the possible scenario so well. :( It describes our society, our world, our country/government and stubbornly sustained attitudes that are sadly still thriving today. :\

Originally posted by Baron Karza
There are several different takes on Kandor. The (failed) promise to restore it to its original size is yet another new spin.

In some tellings, the Kandorians shrank themselves to escape Krypton's demise. In others it was transported to a dimension parallel to the Phantom Zone.

In my personal favorite telling, BRANIAC himself shrank Kandor to create a new krypton somewhere else. After being recovered by Superman there were a bunch of four-inch-tall beings running around all as strong as Superman. At this time I believe Superman DID have a ray to make them grow (and make himself shrink).

In many of the tellings, Superman did indeed restore Kandor and made a replica as a momento.

:cool: Kudos to you, Baron Karza. You're like a 'teleprompter' that gives the info needed to continue. The story I remember about Kandor is the one where The Kandorians shrunk themselves hoping to escape destruction by being so small.

In that episode of The Legion of Superheroes, the 'first' Brainiac WAS the one who shrunk them in order to control them. The 'city in the bottle' even had an 'imitation' Red Sun that kept them Without superpowers. That Brainiac was labled a villain whereas the one in that series is called 'Braniac 5' and is Not a villain. Superman DID have a 'ray-gun' that was used to shrink himself to visit the city. BUT, I don't understand Why that Same Ray-Gun is used to restore him to normal size Couldn't be used to restore Kandor to normal size, too. Superman's memory had to be erased at the end of this episode so he wouldn't tamper with his 'true' timeline by taking advantage of the knowledge he'd gained from his future.

:rolleyes: See? It's just as I've said before, there are So Many Variations of Superman's story, it's hard to Nit Pick about what is the REAL RE-Telling. Also, 'corruption' of his 'Mythos' abounds in almost every area. :\ So, doesn't that mean we get to choose what WE feel comfortable with and go with that? ...The Sexual Issue, too? :)

IMO, if these debates persist, and Superman becomes the center of some Real controversy where his Existence is concerned for DC Comics, Warner, etc., at some point someone Will Have To Make Some Choices and Big decisions about what is to be kept and Established as Clark Kent's/Superman's TRUE Canon. Some people have a hard time trying to accept INCONSISTENCY. ;)

I would hope, though, that it Shouldn't matter; since in the long run, it has No Real effect on our REAL world. Anyway, it's always been just a fun way to be distracted. :p

Baron Karza

12-10-2007, 10:10 AM

I understand what you mean. I used to be a "continuity buff" myself. But there will always be those who are too dogmatic in thir beliefs. You should see what it's like in the Dragon Ball Z forums. SHEESH!

Anyway...

Super-kisses, super-farts, super-spurts. They never really should have gone there to begin with. Among other things, Superman is also super-chaste.

Imzadia

12-10-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
I understand what you mean. I used to be a "continuity buff" myself.

***But there will always be those who are too dogmatic in their beliefs.***

Anyway...

Super-kisses, super-farts, super-spurts. They never really should have gone there to begin with. Among other things, Superman is also super-chaste.

:D NOW you've said it. That HAS Always been True. ;)

Shadar

12-10-2007, 11:36 PM

[i]Among other things, Superman is also super-chaste. [/B]

So that's where this thread winds down, huh... chastity is Clark/Kal El's only hope? Obviously, Kara too?

Poor devils.

But I don't buy it in the SV turn of the Superman universe. Maybe when the comics portaryed him as the ultimate Boy Scout, white-bread to the core, then they could get away with simply ignoring that entire side of his/her natures. But the Krypts in SV aren't like that.

We've gotta run with what we know from the episodes that have aired to date. Sex is definitely part of the equation.

But without something to level the playing field, we can't ignore the fact that Clark and Kara are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of times stronger than humans. Not to mention bulletproof and can move at super-speed. As others have indicated, when you start scaling up the intensity of human sex by those factors, then the neighbors had better hang onto something solid (God-forbid they live in an apartment complex)!

Which is exactly what that episode was trying to say. The writers were right on, even if it was heretical relative to most of the comic book issues.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-11-2007, 09:20 AM

Let's face it, the main reason they put that little scene in the show to begin with is because sex sells. They must be trying to offset the awful, AWFUL job the writers are otherwise doing. I mean, hell! They had Kara in a bikini in like her SECOND appearance! We're just obsessed with sex today. Even Krypto-sex (NOT sex with Krypto).

Superman is NOT a horn dog. His love IS chaste and pure, and any sex involved is just icing on the (post-martial) cake. So, this is clearly NOT the Superman of legend. He's likely one of those alternate universe Supermen that will start the Justice Lords or something. Smallville is nothing more than a super-powered soap opera. Just break out the evil weather machine already. They did it on General Hospital, didn't they?

As for the kryptonians we've met so far, we've only met convicted criminals and the El family.

Going back to my favorite Kryptonologist, John Byrne, he depicts Kryptonians in the last days as very cold and isolated from each other. They had a very sophisticated internet and all interactions took place there, including mating. All Kryptonians were conceived artificially and raised in a manner much like the Fortress communicates with Kal El.

One of the things- in this telling- that caused Jor El to fall out of favor with the council in spite of the El family's prominence in Kryptonian history is the fact that he and Lara were the first Kryptonians (since the new order was instituted) to not only come into physical contact with each other but to also have a baby in the "uncivilized" way. So, I've got to believe that while Kal El has passion in his blood he also can practice the restraint of generations of Kryptonians. At least until the honeymoon.

You know, the show doesn't make a difference anymore. It's getting to the point that I just watch it more in the hopes that it will get better than because I think they're doing such a great job. They have so much to draw upon and they STILL manage to f*k it up. Paramount was able to crank out a new Star Trek episode per week with not nearly as much lore and they NEVER skipped a beat.

To the Powers that Be: you suck and all the super sex in the world won't change that. Laser orgasms... that's another story. Maybe rocket boobs.

Whatever.

MrsClarkKent27

12-11-2007, 06:58 PM

Ohhh pleassssssssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe in that ? Well I think I will have to close my eyes and shut my ears to them !

Imzadia

12-11-2007, 09:23 PM

Oh my! It's become sad here in this thread. Shadar said, "Poor devils", when referring to the SV Kryptonians and Baron Karza just 'dissed' the whole series. I can only hang my head, because I can't handle the truth of "...how the SV writers have gotten it 'right' concerning how any super-powered being Can't have (semi-)normal sex with a human".

You guys, I'm with 'MrsClarkKent27' who joined in this pessimistic discussion in the declining hours. I'm happy to have her here. She perked me up a bit. We 'gurlz' must have to stick together so that we may encourage each other that Clark will be able to have the woman he wants in some future.

:eek: Tongue-whip me if you feel the need, but when I think of Clark being 'Chaste', I think of him Not having casual sex...EVER. However, he puts great value into a committed, monogomous relationship with a woman he cares deeply for who he would like to have as his partner for as long as She lives...Loyal to her and no other.

:rolleyes: I'd hope that in the area of sexual behavior, even if it's an intensely emotional and physical situation, it's possible for Clark to muster enough control not to kill his wife. Just as he learned to control his Heat Vision when he was enamored or aroused, he could control how much pressure to apply when 'touching' intimately. Once, Lana told Clark that she could 'tell' that he wanted her just as much as she wanted him, yet he hadn't broken any of her bones or even bruised her while they were 'making out'. :\

:confused: It wasn't as intense a situation, but it was a 'similar' situation when Clark was playing football. He explained it to his dad before a game in the episode "Jinx" how he was able to and HAD to think about his every move when in close contact with his human teammates so that he wouldn't hurt them. I think it's just another instance of TPTB not remembering what the groundwork has been for variations on this subject. :o With what happened between Clark and Lana in "Wrath", they've written themselves into a 'creative corner', IMHO. In trying to keep SV in a PG catagory with the topic of sex, they have actually kicked it up an astronomical notch. :eek: Too bad, so now we're back to "Poor devils." :\

Mello Penelo

12-11-2007, 11:22 PM

I don't mind Clark and Lana having sex, because it's more believable that 20-year-old adults in a relationship are going to sleep with each other, but Al/Miles have no concept of what's correct. Clark and Lana could have sex all they wanted if those to imbeciles would just sit down and pick up and facking comic book.

Theshadow129x

12-11-2007, 11:59 PM

^ Miles Millar and Al gough would say to you : "What is this comic book thingy you speak of Mello?"

DestinyAw8s

12-12-2007, 04:52 AM

I'm just gonna take this latest quakscapade with a grain of salt and make of it what I think it to be (not much). The same as I do most of the stuff on this show. Al/Miles duminuity has become legend in itself. Lana's spot on use of heat vision her first time should completely negate Kara's cute struggle to simply hit a pumpkin and splatter gunk all over Clark. So no, I refuse to let those useless (though blatant) inconsistencies bother me on SV. If I did, I would probably just hate this show. And I won't allow them to do that to me.

As to the previous posts of krytonian fetuses having superpowers, I've always assumed that Clark didn't actually develop his powers until his teens - sort of a puberty thing. And so, a half human-half kryptonian would surely be delay in this even more. At least, I would think so anyway. I think SV had Clark do something along these lines when he was small, but as noted above, their take is highly subjective at this point. I can't see Ma and Pa Kent, especially as depicted in the comics, being able to corral a superpowered toddler.

Shadar

12-12-2007, 07:50 AM

[i] I can't see Ma and Pa Kent, especially as depicted in the comics, being able to corral a superpowered toddler. [/B]

Yet that exact situation has been depicted in both comics and movies. Specifically, Ma and Pa being rescued by a toddler lifting their crashed truck off them.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

See? That's part of why he became SOOOPERMAN! The Kents were very clear-minded people. Unlike so many of us today they seem to have had no dissonances and so were able to see things very clearly, including what's right and what's wrong and, probably more importantly, what a fussy superbaby really wants.

DestinyAw8s

12-12-2007, 08:37 AM

Yet that exact situation has been depicted in both comics and movies. Specifically, Ma and Pa being rescued by a toddler lifting their crashed truck off them.
And conveniently leave out the part were he has a super tantrum and kicks holes in the floor. :p Honestly, I see your point.

Superman is a fantasy and should be viewed as such in any media, including Smallville. I don't particularly want or need a Realityman replacing him in any form or fashion. I accepted Star Trek TNG's (and other such scifi/fantasy) innumerable alien/human pairings and subsequent offsprings without a whimper, and I would most certainly expect no less of myself in regards to Superman. In my mind, Supes and Lois are truly happy, and they have sex. I don't consider how they do it and I don't basically care to know. Just believing in the fantasy that they do is enough for me.

Shadar

12-12-2007, 09:42 AM

That's fair... overanalyzing Supes is surely a mistake.

But so is declaring certain behavior (we started with earth-tremors) as wrong.

Some of us just don't want him so divorced from reality, as in saying he can do whatever he wants by force of will, without constraints, that he becomes a god.

A little 'reality' (as in constraints) to bound things to some concept of physical reality can be useful to keep him real enough (human enough) to remain interesting.

SV has done a good job of that. Maybe too good.

Shadar

DestinyAw8s

12-12-2007, 09:50 AM

Yeah, SV went a might overboard for sure and went were no man should have gone. But I'm thinking that since we saw Lana with such perfect control over her new powers that the actual earthquakes was her initial inability to get a handle on them (ie: super jump, heat vision, etc) while in the "throes" of other nonsuper activies. And possibly Clark trying to prevent her from killing him during said, like emphasizing the need for her to keep her eyes closed and to stop sending him through the roof with her super breath. And then there is the timing of the quakes themselves. One would think that they would come at much faster intervals if they were really intending to point us in the super you-know-what direction. And needless to say, the whole world would be in shambles had that actually happened. hehe Anyway, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.:)

Shadar

12-12-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by DestinyAw8s
Yeah, SV went a might overboard for sure and went were no man should have gone. But I'm thinking that since we saw Lana with such perfect control over her new powers that the actual earthquakes was her initial inability to get a handle on them (ie: super jump, heat vision, etc) while in the "throes" of other nonsuper activies. And possibly Clark trying to prevent her from killing him during said, like emphasizing the need for her to keep her eyes closed and to stop sending him through the roof with her super breath. And then there is the timing of the quakes themselves. One would think that they would come at much faster intervals if they were really intending to point us in the super you-know-what direction. And needless to say, the whole world would be in shambles had that actually happened. hehe Anyway, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.:)

I guess that clears that up. <wink>

Interesting thread... one where we agree to disagree.

That's actually one of the enduring things about the Superman mythos... people can come at him from a million different angles, and they are all right. And wrong.

He is whatever you want him to be.

He appeals to something inside all of us.

How else could a fantasy character still be so popular after nearly 70 years in such a changing world.

And generate more than 30 entertaining and interesting pages of replies in this forum to a single scene in a single TV show.

Reality is overrated.

Fantasy is boundless.

Shadar

DestinyAw8s

12-12-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Shadar
Reality is overrated.

Fantasy is boundless.

Shadar

I definitely agree.

Imzadia

12-12-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by DestinyAw8s
And conveniently leave out the part were he has a super tantrum and kicks holes in the floor. :p Honestly, I see your point.

Superman is a fantasy and should be viewed as such in any media, including Smallville. I don't particularly want or need a Realityman replacing him in any form or fashion. I accepted Star Trek TNG's (and other such scifi/fantasy) innumerable alien/human pairings and subsequent offsprings without a whimper, and I would most certainly expect no less of myself in regards to Superman. In my mind, Supes and Lois are truly happy, and they have sex. I don't consider how they do it and I don't basically care to know. Just believing in the fantasy that they do is enough for me.

:lol: Googly! That's almost the Same thing I told them, but they kinda, sorta wouldn't listen to me. :rolleyes: Of course, I do agree with the last post from 'Shadar' about Clark having to have some flaws that Humanize him. Before the first big Movie in 1978, I thought that Clark/Superman was TOO perfect, almost god-like, and I didn't care that much about him. In the comics, he used to say, "Up, up and away!" before he took flight, and "Great Scott!" when he was alarmed about anything. I HATED that! ...Among other things. There was nothing endearing about his personality, IMO. :\

:cool: Since the movies, and especially since TV's 'Lois & Clark', I love Clark! He makes me want to 'mother' him and encourage, and comfort him when he's down about not being able to save everyone during a crisis, as well as other obstacles he has to face as part of living among humans, etc. :p However, a LOT of the rules changed in Smallville. He definately became more humanly accessible, and I could actually 'see' him as that unsuspecting (about what his abilities entailed) young boy who must become a man with a Destiny, Tom makes him believable, but everything ELSE is just TOO MUCH to Fret about...IMHO, of course. That 'Grain of Salt' sure comes in handy. :D

Originally posted by Shadar Reality is overrated. Fantasy is boundless.
Shadar

Originally posted by DestinyAw8s
I definitely agree.

:D Me, too!

Mello Penelo

12-13-2007, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Shadar
Reality is overrated.

Fantasy is boundless.

Shadar

But the rules set down are there for a reason. Al/Miles just wanted to crap all over it to say "Clana moves the earth." :\

Shadar

12-13-2007, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
But the rules set down are there for a reason. Al/Miles just wanted to crap all over it to say "Clana moves the earth." :\

As much fun as it was to envision what 'super-sex' might be like, the actual amount of energy needed to shake the Earth, especially to stimulate very low frequency earthquake-type waves, is ridiculously high.

Nuclear weapons can do it -- barely -- but not much of anything else, other than mother nature herself.

They wouldn't just have to be thousands of times stronger (and more energetic) than humans, but tens of millions of times. And not only would the barn be damaged, but that end of the county.

Still... I enjoyed the unbounded fantasy. Even if it was... 'unrealistic'.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-19-2007, 10:06 AM

Well, maybe it wasn't the earth. Maybe it was some kind of sonic bool or something.

It's not like there was any "super loob" available. What are they gonna use? Motor oil?

Shadar

12-19-2007, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
Well, maybe it wasn't the earth. Maybe it was some kind of sonic bool or something.

It's not like there was any "super loob" available. What are they gonna use? Motor oil?

Actually, Chloe called then earth tremors.

As far as the second point, given their age, I'm assuming everything is super.

Shadar

Baron Karza

12-19-2007, 10:25 AM

"Sonic bool"? WTF is that? BOOM. I meant BOOM!

I don't know. Wouldn't a strong enough sonic boom be mistaken for a tremor?

Shadar

12-19-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Baron Karza
"Sonic bool"? WTF is that? BOOM. I meant BOOM!

I don't know. Wouldn't a strong enough sonic boom be mistaken for a tremor?

As far as sonic boom, its a BANG and gone.

Things don't fall off your walls as they do when the tremors keep coming and growing and building and finally reach a crescendo and knock everyone off their feet.

(OK... my imagination is working overtime now. I'll stop.)

Shadar

KrissO

01-03-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Shadar
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Shadar

If Clark can shoot fire, run faster than light and throw tractors around... why wouldn't earthquaking sex be realistic in SV too? :)
Obviously like you said... they should have been burried in their own barn and having to build a new one. Not "fix it".

I did have a funny thought though, when Chloe asked Lana "But I thought you couldn't..."
But for a second there I was thinking that Lana alone couldn't have an....
But that she in this case... had an earth shattering one :lol:
I know, this is getting a little unapropriate :P

Although Clark says he doesn't recognize Lana anymore... I still don't blame her.
I'm not a girl, but losing your baby... and after that finding out your husband fakes it all... that must be a girls worst experience. Not to mention your husband clones you...
I totally understand her actions.

As for Lex clearing her name when she got back to Smallville... that was the least he could do, and it still doesn't compensate (anywhere near) the damage he did to her. And ofcourse his secret projects.
Anyone remember Lex abducting Chloe? Lana's best friend? It's weird. Now that Clark has gotten Lana back... he doesn't do his uninvited visits to the mansion anymore like he used to. He's even working with him now :/

And yes, Lana might have agreed they need to protect themselves against aliens. But I don't see Clark letting Zod and the phantoms into his livingroom either...

Originally posted by Shadar
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Reality is overrated.

Fantasy is boundless.

Shadar

+1