Mistakes/Inconsistencies & Plotholes in Wrath [Archive]

Alexander III

11-07-2007, 08:08 PM

It's funny how she adapts to the power so fast...it took Clark a long period of time to finally learn to control the heat vison but Lana mastered it within seconds lol. So I'm thinking...is Clark a slow learner? Why is he so slow?

mctor

11-07-2007, 10:40 PM

after Lois was hit by Lana at the Daily Planet, she went to the Smallville Medical Center... not a hospital in Metropolis

paolinki25

11-07-2007, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Alexander III
IWhy is he so slow?

:lol: That's the 1 million dollar question on this show.

tmack09

11-07-2007, 11:08 PM

Lana's friggin jacket did a disappearing act just before Lex kissed her!! :lol: i was like "WHOA, where in the world did her jacket go?!" SV really has an issue with continuity huh?! I guess her jacket decided to go on strike too!! it just bounced!

number8

11-07-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by tmack09
Lana's friggin jacket did a disappearing act just before Lex kissed her!! :lol: i was like "WHOA, where in the world did her jacket go?!" SV really has an issue with continuity huh?! I guess her jacket decided to go on strike too!! it just bounced!

Haha, I noticed that too! I was like, since when did Lana take off her jacket after her kiss with Lex. Thought I was imagining things. Guess the kiss was pretty steamy.

FiReFTW

11-08-2007, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Alexander III
It's funny how she adapts to the power so fast...it took Clark a long period of time to finally learn to control the heat vison but Lana mastered it within seconds lol. So I'm thinking...is Clark a slow learner? Why is he so slow?

Thats true and stupid , Clark should be much stronger now cuz he had powers forever yet Lana is the " SAME " and even adapted them in minutes.

bobowayney

11-08-2007, 07:22 AM

I am just freaking out that when Kara was learning her super-hearing in "Kara", Clark had to help her but Lana seemed to have no problem ? whats up with that ???

chantal

11-08-2007, 07:49 AM

Lana is "brilliant."

Ilovebeinglost

11-08-2007, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by tmack09
Lana's friggin jacket did a disappearing act just before Lex kissed her!! :lol: i was like "WHOA, where in the world did her jacket go?!" SV really has an issue with continuity huh?! I guess her jacket decided to go on strike too!! it just bounced!

I had to rewind and watch that again because I didn't see her taking it off and suddenly it wasn't there.

SVsleuth

11-08-2007, 10:52 AM

Why is there a random piece of Kryptonite just lying around on the Kent farm after all this time?

And why does Clark get to keep his abilities this time, unlike when Eric Summers got his powers?

Honey45

11-08-2007, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by SVsleuth
Why is there a random piece of Kryptonite just lying around on the Kent farm after all this time?

And why does Clark get to keep his abilities this time, unlike when Eric Summers got his powers?

I think when Clark was talking to Chloe about the power switch, he said "The transfer wasn't complete.. I still have my powers".

smallville sage

11-08-2007, 02:15 PM

Different writers for different episodes = plotholes, lack of consistency, etc.

Don't these people have strategy meetings before they write plots? You'd think they could agree on things beforehand. Geez.

Bookwrm17

11-08-2007, 03:33 PM

You know, I'm fairly certain that half the stuff Chloe said about Isis was wrong...

erikamichelle614

11-08-2007, 07:23 PM

someone mentioned something on another thread about this...

the last time this happened to clark, it was his freshman year of high school. He would be a junior in college now, his powers have grown and he has gotten stronger. maybe it would have taken longer for his powers to transfer.

just kidding, it happened in season 3 also.

xrayvision

11-08-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Alexander III
Why is he so slow?

He's not slow. The way Clark developed his powers was realistic. The way Lana developed her powers within an episode was the result of TPTB wanting to make an episode about Lana getting his powers. That's the only way an episode like this would have worked. And I think it sucks, because it was a stupid idea to begin with. If they wanted to do a parallel between Clark & Lana and the abuse of power, they should have used some knowledge that both of them picked up on Lex and then follow it up and show what each of them would do with it (show Clark using a moral approach while Lana would use an immoral approach that would hurt others).

Deana

11-08-2007, 07:28 PM

Can the whole episode be voted as a mistake/plothole? lol

Lana using the powers better than Clark is the most glaring plothole. It took her such a short time to become one with the power. It took Clark a little longer than that.

The glaring absence of Kara. She should've been there to kick Super Lana's a$$ for messing with her "baby" cousin.

jaydee85

11-08-2007, 10:48 PM

There was just something wrong in the Clark and Lex scene.

Watch it again. I bet that they each did their part alone. Then it was put together in the editing room.

I hate it, because they are so good together. But something was just off.

chantal

11-08-2007, 11:15 PM

Maybe, at some point, Clark took a moment to find out (since the transfer wasn't complete) what powers Lana had (other than super sex). Having just gone through the experience of Kara's powers taking her by surprise, he would want to prepare Lana for what might happen. And be warned himself. They had to have talked about it, Lana must have wondered what the heck happened to her.

Nospam

11-09-2007, 12:30 AM

I thought it was silly that Clark just lay there as the windmill teetered towards him. Perhaps he was still in a bit of shock, but it was a bit much.

neo_nate pointed out that Lois was injured in Metropolis yet taken to the Smallville Medical Center. Surely that has to be something the writers overlooked.

migo

11-09-2007, 05:38 AM

Lana already had the powers from when she was a Vampire. She's used heat vision before.

Also, she was channeling Isobel Thoreaux, so it's conceivable she has a better handle of the abilities.

I'm wondering why the hell Lois was trying to escape the hospital.

TampaVille

11-09-2007, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by migo
I'm wondering why the hell Lois was trying to escape the hospital.

She's an ace journalist now and she wanted to follow up on the Lex Luthor story before the trail got cold. Not a plot hole.

dpcoltsfan

11-09-2007, 06:48 AM

In the scene in Clark's house where Lex shows up, they are looking at the 'Isis Foundation' brochure. When Clark asks about it, Lex says that "on the surface it's a clinic to help the INFLICTED." Funny how he looks right at the word "infected" on the brochureand can't say it.

TampaVille

11-09-2007, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by dpcoltsfan
In the scene in Clark's house where Lex shows up, they are looking at the 'Isis Foundation' brochure. When Clark asks about it, Lex says that "on the surface it's a clinic to help the INFLICTED." Funny how he looks right at the word "infected" on the brochureand can't say it.

This is almost certainly not a mistake. If the line had been "infected," and he'd mistakenly said "inflicted," and the director had wanted to change it, it would have been corrected. The line was almost definitely supposed to be "inflicted." "Inflicted" is itself a word, and works as well as "affected" or "infected," both of which have been used in the past to describe people with k-powers.

There are enough mistakes in this show that we don't need to make up new ones. ;)

Perlenoire7

11-09-2007, 08:27 AM

The only mistake that I saw that bugged me was during the Lana and Lex confrontation - I don't remember seeing her take off the leather Jacket .... one scene she has it - next she doesnt....

outsyder

11-09-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Dodge006
Lana developed every one of Clark's powers in a few hours, but didn't fly.

When they discuss Jimmy-Clone (that actors twin, can't remember his real/character name) they mention that he gained his powers immediately. And yeah, he did have all of CLark's powers up until that point. Johnathan was the same way, as he was simply given Clarks abilities up until that point.

The power transference is immediate and as Chloe hinted, it possibly takes a toll on the human body in the longrun, but at the moment it's seemingly flawless as they also gain Clark's experience and "finess" (hence why Kara couldn't control hers as well as the others, because she has little experience)

But yeah, perhaps she just used his powers more constructively, that was kinda a slap in the face I agree.

margroks

11-09-2007, 11:39 AM

It was mostly one big plothole. Kryptonite next to the windmill Clark passes by every day. That Clark was not power down as he was when this happened with Eric Summers. The "incomplete transfer," which made no sense anyway, would have resulted in two people with half powers at best. It was offensive and vulgar crap to show supersex making earthquakes anyway and it would have resulted in the destruction of the Kent farm and areas around, another reason Clark should think about the rest of the world instead of being a selfish jerk. Clark going to Lionel for help with the situation when he knew all he needed was another jolt of electricity. The entire ep was mostly crap, contrived to have one more Clana sex despite what it did to Clark's character.

BlackIce

11-09-2007, 02:09 PM

biggest plothole i thought was the whole Lois being taken to SMC versus a hospital in metropolis. just stupid. I really don't see why Lana knowing how to use her new abilities is such a plothole, it seemed quite appearant to me that if Clark's powers could be transfered, why not his knowledge of how to use them. I believe, that all the other people that were instantly given Clark's powers also gained some know-how in terms of using those powers.

xrayvision

11-09-2007, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Deana
The glaring absence of Kara. She should've been there to kick Super Lana's a$$ for messing with her "baby" cousin.

That would have been both cool and made Clark look even worse for having to go to Kara to handle Lana.

I seriously think it's about time Lionel plays the MB game with Lana and smack her down a few pegs. She has to learn that she's in the minor leagues in the world of MB's.

TampaVille

11-10-2007, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by xrayvision
That would have been both cool and made Clark look even worse for having to go to Kara to handle Lana.

I seriously think it's about time Lionel plays the MB game with Lana and smack her down a few pegs. She has to learn that she's in the minor leagues in the world of MB's.

So far SuperChloe's been doing that just fine! She brought her personal x-ray machine by Lana's place, then cut off Lana's surveillance of Lex. She's just reminding everybody that Lana actually has no computer skills, whereas Chloe could hack into the Pentagon from a box of matches.

Kalerado

11-10-2007, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by BlackIce
biggest plothole i thought was the whole Lois being taken to SMC versus a hospital in metropolis. just stupid. I really don't see why Lana knowing how to use her new abilities is such a plothole, it seemed quite appearant to me that if Clark's powers could be transfered, why not his knowledge of how to use them. I believe, that all the other people that were instantly given Clark's powers also gained some know-how in terms of using those powers.

The production studio obviously doesn't have the budget to create a set for a "Metropolis General Hospital". Sorry, folks. LOL

Also, maybe Lois likes to take advantage of her discount on medical care at Smallville Medical Center via her "SMC Frequent Concussion Membership"

As long as there is continuity within the mythos, I wouldn't care if Lois went to Granville, Coast City, or Star City to receive her medical care.

ANOTHER PLOTHOLE: Clark and Lana inhumanely leaving the two horses secured to the wooden fence after they had just finished riding them, when they know the impending rain is coming or possible lightning will surely strike them dead.

Way to go, Superhero! :(

TampaVille

11-10-2007, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Kalerado
The production studio obviously doesn't have the budget to create a set for a "Metropolis General Hospital". Sorry, folks. LOL

Also, maybe Lois likes to take advantage of her discount on medical care at Smallville Medical Center via her "SMC Frequent Concussion Membership"

As long as there is continuity within the mythos, I wouldn't care if Lois went to Granville, Coast City, or Star City to receive her medical care.

You're right, of course, in pointing out that it doesn't matter. It doesn't, not really. But it reflects the quality of workmanship in the show. They COULD have written the episode in a way so that they didn't need to show the medical facility at all. Because of the plotline they'd set up though, they needed Clark, Chloe, and Lois to have that conversation together. They could have reworked things so that they could tell the story using sets they could afford in a way that made sense. If they still chose to do something that didn't make sense, they could have made some sort of explanation for it.

Again, they don't HAVE to, not really. It doesn't REALLY matter. But a better show wouldn't put its fans into situations where they have to say to themselves, "Wait, that makes no sense. Oh well, I guess it's not a big deal."

xrayvision

11-10-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Kalerado
ANOTHER PLOTHOLE: Clark and Lana inhumanely leaving the two horses secured to the wooden fence after they had just finished riding them, when they know the impending rain is coming or possible lightning will surely strike them dead.

That's because Lana was in a mood to ride something else and the idiot Clark has a 1 track brain cell (notice how I didn't say mind).

free_emily

11-10-2007, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by TampaVille
She's an ace journalist now and she wanted to follow up on the Lex Luthor story before the trail got cold. Not a plot hole.
Although hospitals do leave your clothes in your hospital room so making a break for it in her hospital gown, not really necessary. Unless you're a writer of the episode who wants to give Grant a quick peak and some banter.

magoo

11-10-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by mctor
after Lois was hit by Lana at the Daily Planet, she went to the Smallville Medical Center... not a hospital in Metropolis

lol exactly.

Also the cut above her right eye disappeared.

Alexander III

11-10-2007, 04:37 PM

I think I saw a cut near the ear.

amberdawn

11-10-2007, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by margroks
It was mostly one big plothole. Kryptonite next to the windmill Clark passes by every day. That Clark was not power down as he was when this happened with Eric Summers. The "incomplete transfer," which made no sense anyway, would have resulted in two people with half powers at best. It was offensive and vulgar crap to show supersex making earthquakes anyway and it would have resulted in the destruction of the Kent farm and areas around, another reason Clark should think about the rest of the world instead of being a selfish jerk. Clark going to Lionel for help with the situation when he knew all he needed was another jolt of electricity. The entire ep was mostly crap, contrived to have one more Clana sex despite what it did to Clark's character.
For once, I agree with you.

And I didn't realize that Lois went to the Smallville Medical Center instead of a hospital in Metropolis. :lol: Wow.

red_cape_7

11-10-2007, 10:21 PM

how did lana even know to try to catch the windmill in the first place? she randomly decides to catch it and just happens to have the power to hold it up? she'd probably be trying to jump out of the way

magoo

11-11-2007, 05:20 AM

TampaVille

11-11-2007, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by red_cape_7
how did lana even know to try to catch the windmill in the first place? she randomly decides to catch it and just happens to have the power to hold it up? she'd probably be trying to jump out of the way

That's an excellent point. There's also the other side of the same coin, which is that Clark throws himself between innocents and danger on a regular basis, and yet on this one occasion he decides to cower in fear.

magoo

11-11-2007, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by TampaVille
That's an excellent point. There's also the other side of the same coin, which is that Clark throws himself between innocents and danger on a regular basis, and yet on this one occasion he decides to cower in fear.

Oh i didn't think he was cowering. He was just waiting for it to drop and he would have put a hand up to stop it. I didn't see fear on his face definately.

TampaVille

11-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by magoo
Oh i didn't think he was cowering. He was just waiting for it to drop and he would have put a hand up to stop it. I didn't see fear on his face definately.

He was not in control of the situation. He was laying on his side where he fell. He was definitely surprised when it seemingly stopped on its own (b/c Lana had grabbed it). If she'd tried that and not had his powers, she'd have been badly injured or killed right in front of him, when he could have easily stopped it.

clarkbunny

11-11-2007, 04:25 PM

I am wondering why did Lana bother using heat vision to melt the hinges of the safe?? She could have just pulled the door straight off the hinges with her super strength - seems like the writers just wanted to show her using heat vision.

xrayvision

11-11-2007, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by TampaVille
He was not in control of the situation. He was laying on his side where he fell. He was definitely surprised when it seemingly stopped on its own (b/c Lana had grabbed it). If she'd tried that and not had his powers, she'd have been badly injured or killed right in front of him, when he could have easily stopped it.

Maybe the partial transfer of power (as ridiculous as that is) slowed down his reaction time since Lana also got part of his powers.

clarkbunny

11-11-2007, 04:45 PM

Oh and since when did newspapers develop morals over the source of a story? Albeit Grant had a hidden agenda.

Plus why didn't Lana just take her story to the Herald when Grant said no? And why didn't she take the hard drive back?

Oooh and how comes Lois didn't spot the hard drive on Grant's desk just before she played kissy face with him?

Harrison_Bergeron

11-11-2007, 07:18 PM

I might be remembering incorrectly, but I thought that when Clark's powers were transferred the recipient did not gain his vulnerabilty to kryptonite? I may be wrong though it's been a long time since I've seen the episode.

Also, Lois sneaking out of the hospital, she came in voluntarily, would signing release papers and putting on her clothes really have let the trail get that cold?

xrayvision

11-11-2007, 10:09 PM

^^No, whenever his powers were transferred by kryptonite, they gained his vulnerability. Their bodies basically became Kryptonian and his became human. This happened twice with Eric Summers and once with Lana. They were fully protected from their health deteriorating, but had his weakness. And the kryptonite didn't make them crazy either. It was having all that power that did that.

The people who were not vulnerable to kryptonite were Jeremiah in Talisman and most likely Jonathan in Exile & Phoenix. Those 2 got their powers from the cave (the Starblade, which came from the cave in Jeremiah's case, and the cave Jor-El AI in Jonathan's case). There was no transference of powers involved. They pretty much had their human bodies get supercharged. Unlike when Eric & Lana got the power transfer, Jonathan & Jeremiah were not protected by having their bodies become Kryptonian in nature. Instead as I said, their human bodies were supercharged with power and couldn't handle it. I'm guessing Lindsay Harrison (the fake Kara) fell into the category of Jonathan & Jeremiah.

TampaVille

11-11-2007, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
Maybe the partial transfer of power (as ridiculous as that is) slowed down his reaction time since Lana also got part of his powers.

That's a fair enough explanation, given what little we have to work with. I hate sounding like such a gloomy pessimist recently, but I really do believe this is just yet another of those moments where there was a conversation along the lines of:

Al: Wait, why would Clark just lie there? And why would Lana TRY grabbing the falling tower?
Miles: Hmm... Does it really matter?
Al: Nah, nobody will care that much anyway.

It's a shame. Even if those conversations aren't going on, that the quality of workmanship being produced could accomodate such dialogues is troublesome.

Harrison_Bergeron

11-12-2007, 12:32 AM

I missed the first few minutes of the episode, came in when Chloe was asking about them doing the kryptonian nasty, but this windmill thing sounds like maybe Clark knew that kryptonite and electricity took his powers and that he should be screwed, even if he didn't he's Superman, he knows he's going ot come out unscathed whether he reacts or not. Lana saving him on the other hand sounds just plain stupid.

TampaVille

11-12-2007, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
I missed the first few minutes of the episode, came in when Chloe was asking about them doing the kryptonian nasty, but this windmill thing sounds like maybe Clark knew that kryptonite and electricity took his powers and that he should be screwed, even if he didn't he's Superman, he knows he's going ot come out unscathed whether he reacts or not. Lana saving him on the other hand sounds just plain stupid.

It's a good thought, and not necessarily incorrect. My problem with it is that, "Hmm, I MIGHT not have my powers. I better not try to save Lana's life," would be very out of character for any incarnation of Supes.

DarkChilde

11-12-2007, 09:13 AM

I think this is the first time Clark did not have to see the Kryptonite to react to it. :)

Originally posted by clarkbunny
I am wondering why did Lana bother using heat vision to melt the hinges of the safe?? She could have just pulled the door straight off the hinges with her super strength - seems like the writers just wanted to show her using heat vision.

She would have just pulled the handle off the safe door.

mgedell

11-12-2007, 12:19 PM

When did Lana learn about kryptonite and its affects on Clark?

xrayvision

11-12-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by mgedell
When did Lana learn about kryptonite and its affects on Clark?

Back in Arrival. Though it's been very inconsistent. After she learned the secret in Phantom, she told him that Lionel would use his weakness against him but for some reason didn't seem like she knew what it was.

Perhaps she didn't know until Wrath. I think she would have gotten away from the rolling jar of kryptonite had she known. My question is what's to stop her from stealing the powers back from him when he's sleeping now that she knows how to do it?

Saber

11-12-2007, 01:08 PM

Does anyone know why the Green-K was keeping the black goo contained in that cylinder when I thought Green-K didn’t affect anything that was related to Brainic/Fine because he wasn’t a Kryptonian?

xrayvision

11-12-2007, 01:19 PM

Well, if the black ooze wasn't Fine but instead the power source to Brainiac that Baern drained, then maybe the power source is vulnerable to it. I don't know. We definitely need more info.

Zeth Duuron

11-12-2007, 01:58 PM

I hate being a writer sympathist (is that a word?), but I just figured Clark was in a daze from the proximity to the Kryptonite.

(I mean, think about it. In Superman The Movie, Supes doesn't even think to just pull the chain attached to the Kryptonite over his head and just swim away from it. No, he would rather try to tug and tug at it to break the chain. Apparently Kryptonite also renders his brain useless.)

And maybe Lana felt the invigoration of strength and her women's intuition gave her the instinct to catch the windmill. Still, these are all plotholes. And if I can spot the jacket missing, I don't see how anybody couldn't. I mean, that was just so blatant.

TampaVille

11-12-2007, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Saber
Does anyone know why the Green-K was keeping the black goo contained in that cylinder when I thought Green-K didn’t affect anything that was related to Brainic/Fine because he wasn’t a Kryptonian?

xrayvision's theory is pretty good.

I also thought Lex's henchman scientist said something about how they kept it dormant using "the meteor rock and massive radiation." I forgot to TiVo the episode, so I can't go back and rewatch :(

clarkbunny

11-12-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
^^No, whenever his powers were transferred by kryptonite, they gained his vulnerability. Their bodies basically became Kryptonian and his became human. This happened twice with Eric Summers and once with Lana. They were fully protected from their health deteriorating, but had his weakness. And the kryptonite didn't make them crazy either. It was having all that power that did that.

I don't remember Eric Summers being vulnerable to kryptonite when did that happen?? From what I remember none of the people that got Clark's powers were vulnerable to kryptonite as they still human just with super powers they did not become kryptonian - that isn't possible.

TampaVille

11-12-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
I don't remember Eric Summers being vulnerable to kryptonite when did that happen?? From what I remember none of the people that got Clark's powers were vulnerable to kryptonite as they still human just with super powers they did not become kryptonian - that isn't possible.

Clark stops him at the end of the episode using Lana's kryptonite necklace.