Back To The Future: Hiro's Choice

[JBW157]

Okay im glad he's back but here's what i dont get. he knew exactly when it was when he stabbed sylar, and then accidently went to the land of sark.

but when he went back to tha future he just decided he would go a little over six months later instead?

he couldn't have teleported to maybe, the day after the "explosion"?

if i were him, i would go back to the exact day i left so not to miss anything too important... such as... idk... my father dying?!

[Red Arrow Kuczynski]

I think that Hiro is going to jump back into the past to try and stop Kaito from dying.

[pycer]

He didn't seem to be fully aware of the time frame he arrived back in, I don't think he's yet able to be that completely choosy with the when's, though he seems to be better with the where's.

[citizenlen]

I can't make up my mind whether there's more plot holes or commercials in this show.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by Red Arrow Kuczynski
I think that Hiro is going to jump back into the past to try and stop Kaito from dying.

He can't change the past, just screw around with it. That was established when he tried to save Charlie. She grew an aneurysm instead of getting the top of her head removed by Sylar.

He could probably go back and talk to his father, but not save him from dying.

[zAndrew]

He doesnt have full control over his time travel yet
I wouldnt be surprised if some higher power is in control of it
like God or destiny
I mean he saw the bomb
He lost his power and had to go on a journey to reclaim it
He messed up Kensei's "story" and fixed it
Maybe he was destined to do all that and return when he did

[last man of krypton]

I thought from ages ago that there'd be no point in travelling to our "present" time, though it does seem likely he'll travel back now to save his dad.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
though it does seem likely he'll travel back now to save his dad.

He can't save his dad. He can't change the past.

[last man of krypton]

I'll rephrase my statement: it does seem likely he'll travel back now to try to save his dad.

[Mello Penelo]

Because he knows he can't save him. He found out you can't change the past. Now, Hiro could go back and talk to his dad before he dies, but Kaito would still die, even if he didn't get pushed off the building.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
He found out you can't change the past.

Actually, he's been afraid over the last 7 episodes that his time-travelling can change the past. Whether or not it's true, he believes it possible.

[Mello Penelo]

Which is something I consider a lapse in the plot. In the end, he got away with it because the swordsmith's daughter told Hiro she would tell all of Japan the stories he told her about Tazeko Kensei. The guy was a myth anyway. It's just the stories.

[Monkeychow01]

I'll call it now, so that it will be said. They said that 3 heroes will die this season.

Hiro is going to be 1 of them. Reason being if his guilt for what he did to cause Adam to be the way he was and cause so much pain throughout the years. How they will play it out AFTER that point who knows....I'm hoping for a last struggle where Adam kills him and wonders what he's done *Shrugs*.....but I'll definately call it again that Hiro will die


*hint...so far I've been 3 of 3 for predictions WAY before the time.....check out my previous threads from things I thought up months before they happened*

[Sweetie]

Hiro can't die,he's one of the favorites.But,Sylar is going to kill Kensei to have his powers.Matt will lock Sylar inside his dream like he did for his father.

[KryptonzGirl]

Hiro can't die this season..not yet. -sobs-

But Hiro will definatley throw himself into the past again..perhaps just on emotions run high but he won't save his father.

[JudasAce]

Anyone important or popular that "Dies" will do so from Maya's powers and get brought back by her brother immediately (or maybe after a cliffhanger ending during sweeps week)...that way the producers can say "Well technically he did die!"

Face it, they didn't have the stones to kill off Sylar at the end of last season because he was popular, so the only way they'll kill off any popular characters permanently is if that actor wants to leave the show.

[KryptonzGirl]

Maybe Maya's brother will die? He's not THAT popular is he? I think Kensei MIGHT die this season..just don't let it be Hiro/Peter or Suresh!

Oh yea and HRG will die! Admit it! All of you! :O

[Mello Penelo]

Well, there is the spoiler Ma. Petrelli will give someone the secret to killing Peter.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
He can't change the past, just screw around with it.Untrue Sara, Hiro can and has changed the past. In fact, he's part of the past/history now, having affected both past events and the lives of people -- no one more so perhaps than the life of Kensei/Adam, who has spent his long life no doubt eagerly awaiting the day he can get his revenge on Hiro.

And in Five Years Gone, NY was destroyed. However, thanks to Hiro's time traveling this disaster was averted. This "past" was clearly changed and replaced with a new one. (And Heroes gets around the many paradox problems that usually arise from time travel by adopting an el cheapo "multiple timeline" universal concept...heh)

[Mello Penelo]

I said he could screw with it, not change it wholesale.

He didn't change the past because the swordsmith's daughter promised to pass on the stories Hiro told her. All Hiro had to do was make sure the guns were gone. The timeline stayed intact because of those tales.

And in Five Years Gone, the future was changed-- not the past. The future isn't written in stone yet, like the past is.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
And in Five Years Gone, the future was changed-- not the past. The future isn't written in stone yet, like the past is. Lol this is why time travel discussions never end well....heh. I understand what you are saying, however this WAS the past for the people in that ep's timeline (like future Hiro). From that timeline's perspective, the past was altered, not the future.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
He didn't change the past because the swordsmith's daughter promised to pass on the stories Hiro told her. All Hiro had to do was make sure the guns were gone. The timeline stayed intact because of those tales.

So the past didn't change (majorly) because Hiro went through considerable effort to ensure it didn't. This still implies that he could've changed the past if he'd left Kensei to take over Japan.


And in Five Years Gone, the future was changed-- not the past. The future isn't written in stone yet, like the past is.

Depends on which perspective you're looking at, which Xanderman hinted at:
To Kensei and the Princess, they're living in the present and Hiro is from a changeable future.
To Hiro and Ando, they're living in a present where the future and past can be changed.
To Future Hiro, he's living in a present where the past can be changed.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
Depends on which perspective you're looking at, which Xanderman hinted at:
To Kensei and the Princess, they're living in the present and Hiro is from a changeable future.
To Hiro and Ando, they're living in a present where the future and past can be changed.
To Future Hiro, he's living in a present where the past can be changed. Exactly. However, I'm wondering, did Future Hiro's efforts lead to any changes? Or did the only changes result from Present Hiro visiting the future and returning back with the knowledge he gained and then affecting people in the present as a result of it, like he did Nathan? His "villain" guilt trip on Nathan is likely what gave Nathan the extra push he needed to follow his conscience and save Peter/the city. However, all Future Hiro did was tell Peter to save the cheerleader, but that in itself wasn't enough to prevent the disaster. Nathan's intervention was the key.

So maybe the past can't be changed afterall? Only the future? As again, I'm not sure if Future Hiro's visits to the past ultimately accomplished anything...but then again, the very fact he met and had a convo with Peter is a change in the past, even if it didn't affect things on a larger scale. (Time travel talk makes less sense the more you try to figure it out, lol you usually just end up going in circles....reminds me of the time I tried to figure out 12 Monkeys.....now there's a headache :lol: )

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Exactly. However, I'm wondering, did Future Hiro's efforts lead to any changes? Or did the only changes result from Present Hiro visiting the future and returning back with the knowledge he gained and then affecting people in the present as a result of it, like he did Nathan? His "villain" guilt trip on Nathan is likely what gave Nathan the extra push he needed to follow his conscience and save Peter/the city. However, all Future Hiro did was tell Peter to save the cheerleader, but that in itself wasn't enough to prevent the disaster. Nathan's intervention was the key.

So maybe the past can't be changed afterall? Only the future? As again, I'm not sure if Future Hiro's visits to the past ultimately accomplished anything...but then again, the very fact he met and had a convo with Peter is a change in the past, even if it didn't affect things on a larger scale.

I think Future Hiro's visit did ultimately change the past, even with just that one conversation. Present Hiro while ready to embrace his abilities and use them for mankind, lacked focus and direction - until he heard the message given by his future self to save the cheerleader. The graphic novel shows that Future Hiro wasn't given the same focus and had to discover the saving of the cheerleader for himself.
I also believe (although I'm sure I'm in the minority) that the revelations discovered in Five Years Later (such as Peter being the bomb, Claire surviving, etc) was a result of changes in the past affecting the future.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
I think Future Hiro's visit did ultimately change the past, even with just that one conversation. Present Hiro while ready to embrace his abilities and use them for mankind, lacked focus and direction - until he heard the message given by his future self to save the cheerleader.Great point. So Future Hiro's actions definitely made a difference, and the past definitely can be changed by a traveler from the future. This of course would all be paradoxical if Heroes wasn't following a "multiple timeline" concept of the universe -- the cheapest/easiest concept for time travel stories to avoid potential paradox messes.