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kal-el2389
11-01-2007, 09:58 PM
I feel that season seven is back to the smallville type atmosphere and not like the second half of season 6. Clark is getting more attention, clex stupid stuff is finally over, and the whole clana tension with the lying has lessened a bit. Lovin Season Seven, supergirl is shaping out 2 getting smallville back to the mythos where it needs!!!!:D

Any thoughts?????

Alexander III
11-01-2007, 10:04 PM
Yea Kara gives us inclusive detail about Krypton and the El family and it's nice to see the ongoing relationship between Clark and Kara and how they help each other out and all! And Lana's being weird and all is normal I guess her character needs to bring us attentions or something this season. So it's all good! The only thing Im mad about is that Lois doesn't get much screentime anymore...I want scenes between her and kara too!

And finally, Lex is aite, not too much drama coming from him but we'll be seeing him alot more as season comes along.

So far so good for this season, it's better than season 5 for sure!

Rafael122
11-01-2007, 10:06 PM
Trying to remember the last Season that started off so well. Season 3?

Right now, if the season continues like it is, it'll probably be from top to bottom the best season the series has ever had. Last year, there were just too many episodes that dealt with issues that didn't involve the main plot (the immigration episode being a good example).

MidgardDragon
11-01-2007, 10:06 PM
I feel that Seasons 5 and 6 were a huge step up from the first 4 seasons, and I believe Season 7 is once again a huge step up, from the first 6 seasons.

Alexander III
11-01-2007, 10:07 PM
Immigration episode was sooo pathetic....OMG BRUTEL!!

kal-el2389
11-01-2007, 10:12 PM
lol i thought season 5 was one of the best except for the clex stuff starting out at the end.

Brizzle
11-01-2007, 10:14 PM
Kara and Lana, Lionel are the best things to me right now. But the past two episodes were great.

xrayvision
11-01-2007, 10:15 PM
I voted yes, but I'm being cautious. The last 3 seasons have been disappointing to me. They focused their attention on all the wrong things and it hurt the show. So far, this season has its focus on the right parts. I think they should give Clark some more minutes onscreen, but the plots are interesting. And from the possibilities of the return of Bizarro and other stuff I hear, it seems like this season will be full of action.

Mini Wolfsbane
11-01-2007, 10:19 PM
Hmm. Tonight I thought 'So, the show's getting back on it's
feet again.'

I guess it's getting back the classic feel of things, but I don't think it's quite there yet. I guess it's all the mistreatment of Chloe
or something that's got me thinking that. At least there is
less Lois now. (Sorry to her fans, I think she's obnoxious is all.)
And then all the stuff that made last season so unbearable
is fading away, but very slowly. Now Lana is Lying to Clark,
and Lex is chasing after Kara. Ooookay. Wierd and
screwed up, IMO.

However, next weeks episode looks like it'll be very good.

Mello Penelo
11-01-2007, 11:05 PM
I haven't enjoyed an episode since season 3. I just get madder and madder every week.

moviefan2k4
11-01-2007, 11:06 PM
I loved tonight's episode, "Lara"; it is easily the best episode of Season 7 so far, and one of the best in the last 3 years.

Mello Penelo
11-01-2007, 11:07 PM
There are at least one or two small elements in each episode I like, but I haven't liked a whole episode in its entirety in a long time.

Spirit Detective
11-01-2007, 11:23 PM
So far, the first 6 episodes have had a strong momentum and continue to get even better. I love how each episode contains bits of ongoing storylines so they never seem 100% filler.

ForzaItalia
11-01-2007, 11:39 PM
I’d say so far Season 7 is better than 3, 4, 5 or 6, but still not as good as 1 or 2.

paolinki25
11-01-2007, 11:43 PM
I like the fact that they're focusing the show more on Clark's origin and less on the relationship drama. I only hope they'll keep it that way. Keep the shippers to a minimun and give bigger focus to Clark's origin stories.

NotTodayPete
11-02-2007, 12:54 AM
yeah I was watching and thinking they got some of that magic back that they had early on. Kara helps out a lot she has really good charisma IMO. She plays that identity confused role well. They didn't even have a FOTW and it was still suspenseful and interesting. I thought it was funny that Clark's big save was a super pound to her chest, like that was necessary,lol.

smallvillerocks45
11-02-2007, 12:55 AM
I've liked every season, but even I've got to admit that tptb have really upped their game for season 7. I think that has something to do with the addition of Kara. Having a special link to Krypton has really helped develop Clark's character...I just want the goodness to continue (I have a strong feeling that it will).

curiosity
11-02-2007, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by moviefan2k4
I loved tonight's episode, "Lara"; it is easily the best episode of Season 7 so far, and one of the best in the last 3 years.

I like Action the best, but this episode was pretty good. It just needed to focus a little more on Clark, then I would have thought it was the best. I love when Clark saves people, as in Action. He didn't save anyone in this one.

NotTodayPete
11-02-2007, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
I've liked every season, but even I've got to admit that tptb have really upped their game for season 7. I think that has something to do with the addition of Kara. Having a special link to Krypton has really helped develop Clark's character...I just want the goodness to continue (I have a strong feeling that it will).

good point, all the episodes in the past that had FOS and other links to clarks heritage gave the plots more depth and meaning and Kara keeps that aspect at the forefront.

superpal1
11-02-2007, 06:27 AM
I have enjoyed Smallville since the beginning. I esp have enjoyed the last few seasons. Of course there were episodes that were not all that great, but over all they were good. This season has been great, but I am not a huge Kara fan. I like her arc, but do not want her to be a regular on the show.

nightshadz
11-02-2007, 07:21 AM
Nothing can top S3. I think S7 has a fighting chance to be a very close second to S3. Followed by S1/S2 tied for 3rd then S4, S6, S5.

LoveHurts38
11-02-2007, 08:17 AM
Good, could be better.

Guidron
11-02-2007, 08:17 AM
I'm sort of between hell yes and good, but could be better. I think the whole season will have to play out before I can make a final judgment. If they play out some of the plots that are leaving us scratching our heads right now then I'll definitely be a hell yes for sure. So far the season has been great.

kal-el_Girl
11-02-2007, 08:33 AM
OMG this eppy was awesome we finally got some quality shows!!! last week's and now yesterday!! hooray for tPTB

margroks
11-02-2007, 08:49 AM
It might be slightly better than the latter half of last season but we still have Clark shacked up with (but thankfully no sex with) the nasty Lana. That is no improvement. WE see Clark too stupid to ask questions and so gullible he accepts Lana's lame excuses for everything. Embezzelling, hurting people, she gets a pass. I'm sick of it. This is not the show I was promised and I expect better.

Odysseus
11-02-2007, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by paolinki25
I like the fact that they're focusing the show more on Clark's origin and less on the relationship drama. I only hope they'll keep it that way. Keep the shippers to a minimun and give bigger focus to Clark's origin stories.

Exactly. Less relationship drama, more info about Krypton. I think this episode was the first time they gave us a real glimpse at Krypton :D (if you exclude the "Memoria" scene with the ship, but that only showed the ship, not the background).

Kara's presence definitely helps the show put more focus on the mythos, so I'm glad she's here to rescue us from Lana.

Theshadow129x
11-02-2007, 10:51 AM
I'm trying to reserve judgement until the second third of the season. Smallville had the same idea in season 5 to put thinngs back on track but it ended up falling short in the final part of the year. I mean Clark got Hypnotized and broke up with Lana after we spent like 3 months thinking they were done and then Clark went into the Phantom Zone and Lana started a relationship with Lex. it was dumb and i dont want to jump the conclusion that this is the best season thus far. the continuity is awesome though i like how they included somerhaults experiment in this episode.

antwon8976
11-02-2007, 10:52 AM
This was the best episode of the season so far and I have a feeling many more are going to come.

flying_girl
11-02-2007, 11:18 AM
i agree this was the best episode this season, i didnt like that clark showed lana the crystal though. and why didnt he put it in the fortress it would be safer thier than under his floorboards. keeping something you stole from the government in your barn is a bad idea. at least he was smart enough to put it in a lead box so kara cant see it by accident with her x-ray vision.

theWatcher
11-02-2007, 11:23 AM
I like the fact that were back on the farm and now it's Clark's turn to be the adult! Teaching what he knows and letting Kara make some of her own mistakes as she goes so she will learn much as Clark did. Kara has been good for Clark, giving him a real connection to his roots, his heritage. The latest episode is no exception for now because of Kara Clark has a real memory of his mother and heck even his uncle. I also agree, lets hope they don't go too heavy with the clex arena.

DarkChilde
11-02-2007, 12:12 PM
Good, but could be better

But it is still better than season 4

thehenry89
11-02-2007, 12:20 PM
I'm liking this season a heck of alot more then 4 or 6. 5 was good right up until they killed of bo kent.

ForzaItalia
11-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by nightshadz
Nothing can top S3. I think S7 has a fighting chance to be a very close second to S3. Followed by S1/S2 tied for 3rd then S4, S6, S5.

It's amazing how much fans of the same show can disagree. I thought season 3 was by far the worst.

Basically, everything we’re season 7 has been great! Kara has really added new life to show that has made it exciting again……. But at the same time, I can’t help looking at Tom Welling and thinking “he looks way too old to still be playing young Clark Kent. It’s time he puts on the Superman costume before he gets too old.”

And it’s not just about how old Welling looks, it’s also even more so about the story. Everything we’re seeing now should not be happening until Clark has become Superman or is ready to become Superman…… That includes Clark:
-Meeting Kara
-Meeting Green Arrow
-Working with the JLA
-Meeting Martian Manhunter
-Fighting Brainiac
-Fighting Zod
-Fighting Bizarro
-Fighting all Phantom Zoners
-Meeting Lois Lane
-Meeting Jimmy Olsen
-Going to the Fortress of Solitude
-and a whole lot more

If you took away everything that shouldn’t be happening yet, there’d be no show.

flying_girl
11-02-2007, 01:38 PM
your wrong about the fortress of solitude. clark kent went there and thats where he got his training to become superman. he went there right after highschool

xrayvision
11-02-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by ForzaItalia
It's amazing how much fans of the same show can disagree. I thought season 3 was by far the worst.

I don't know how you thought season 3 was the worst. But then again, everyone is entitled to like what they like. I thought the writing of season 3 was more solid than any other season. I loved the first 2 as well. I really liked season 4 from Onyx to the end (except for Ageless) and season 5 up to Lockdown (Reckoning destroyed it). There were a few good ones like Cyborg, Mercy, and Oracle after that, but the momentum was killed thanks to that damn Reckoning. Season 6 had its good moments (Zod, Arrow, Fallout, Hydro, Labyrinth, Crimson, Freak, Combat, Nemesis, Prototype, and Phantom) and its not so good moments (Sneeze, Wither, Static, Subterranean, Promise).

My favorite season is 2 because of all the positive things it contributed to the series (Swann, the caves, red-k, Jor-El, etc) but I think 3 was the best written. Everything tied together and the plot regarding Clark, Lex, Pete & Chloe vs. Lionel was great. Morgan Edge was awesome, using the blood serum from Fever was a great idea, and most of all Clark took charge and took care of things without having to rely on people all the time. Shattered and Asylum are the best examples I can give. Look how he protected his friends in Shattered. Yeah, Lana got hurt, but he did a damn good job of trying to do his best given the circumstances. He also did a great job at investigating. I could easily see back then how he would become a reporter. I like how he worked well with Chloe and didn't use her as a crutch.

This season looks damn good so far. I think the writing is off though. Action & mythos wise, it may beat my opinion of season 3, but writing wise it won't because they have contradicted themselves and did not explain Kara's knowledge of encryption using computer languages of Earth or how Chloe could make Kara Google proof (which was a very lame thing to do). But if the action & mythos are so good, then I will overlook the parts of the writing that I consider lazy and be willing to say this season is better than 3 was. That remains to be seen though. If the action is great but they do an entire 180 on something that was well established and not refutable, then I will have a problem with that.

Darth Nochi
11-02-2007, 02:28 PM
I was in a Smallville kind of funk and this episode revived me like Clark did to Kara. I'm still disappointed that the likely hood of Smallville spinning off into a Justice and Doom or Superman show/movie will most likely not happen. But, I can come to terms with the fact/hope that, if this series finishes with a bang, popular demand will make a spin off possible.

ginnyfan
11-02-2007, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Spirit Detective
So far, the first 6 episodes have had a strong momentum and continue to get even better. I love how each episode contains bits of ongoing storylines so they never seem 100% filler.

I agree with this. I like how the episodes are flowing into each other story wise. It's a nice improvement.

xrayvision
11-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Yeah. They don't seem so standalone anymore.

ShelbyKent
11-02-2007, 05:44 PM
I'm loving Smallville right now. Usually the plot is so predictable. But not this season. . I hope TPTB sustain it for the entire run of the season

Insight
11-02-2007, 06:29 PM
I think right now the editing of the episodes is really good. I can think of only one episode this year that wasn't a great editing job (I think the 3rd one). It makes the show so much better with good pacing and great act/break 'cliffhangers'.

xrayvision
11-02-2007, 06:31 PM
I like the unpredictability of the show. It hasn't been like this since the first half of season 5 when Brainiac showed up. Those are the episodes that get my heart pumping real good.

Dannyblue1
11-02-2007, 07:32 PM
The seasons of SV always start out strong. Seasons 4, 5 and 6 all started with a string of pretty enjoyable episodes. Then, somewhere around midseason, the show seems to take a turn that sends it right down the tubes.

For example, overall, season 4 ended up being pretty bad. But I think it started out more fun than season 7. I remember really enjoying the first string of episodes.

Season 6 also isn't a favorite with a lot of fans. But I thought the beginning of the season was more solid than season 7 has been.

Even season 5 had a strongish start.

So, season 7 is doing alright, but it's far too soon to say the show is back to it's old self, because seasons 4, 5 and 6 started out pretty alright too.

clarkbunny
11-02-2007, 08:30 PM
I was loving Smallville just fine right up to the start of the new season. Every week is hit and miss as to whether it's any good or not in my opinion.

The storylines seem to have been cheapened, plot lines are left unresolved, massive plot holes, new weak characters...the list goes on. This used to be my favourite show, I don't know what happened - it's definitely NOT the show that I loved.

Only one I loved so far is Cure. I am drawing closer and closer to writing my own fanfic of how this season should have gone. Can't be any worse than the disappointing storylines they give us each week.

I only watch to see the regular characters now Clark, Chloe, Jimmy 'Ring that bell' and Lois (when she's not being promoted to deputy editor of the DP) :rolleyes:

jazel
11-02-2007, 08:34 PM
voted disappointing, the WHOLE season has a "surreal" feel to it, as if it's somebody's dream.
HOPE the boy wonders(gough/miles) weren't fans of Dallas.
Clana has actually been interesting to watch.LOL

Joelito
11-02-2007, 09:27 PM
Is too early to say, but could be better.

krypt0man
11-02-2007, 09:34 PM
How has Clark and Lana been interesting? Seems to me they don't know quite what to do with eachother right now. All those years of yearning and pining and longing... and now the coast is clear, secret's out, heck Mom is even out of town semi-permanently, Lana's living on the farm with Clark (and Kara)... and what? I don't think they've had even one good smooch... much less any sparks? It's been pretty bland so far this season. Given - Lana has some psych issues going on...

jazel
11-02-2007, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by krypt0man
How has Clark and Lana been interesting? Seems to me they don't know quite what to do with eachother right now. All those years of yearning and pining and longing... and now the coast is clear, secret's out, heck Mom is even out of town semi-permanently, Lana's living on the farm with Clark (and Kara)... and what? I don't think they've had even one good smooch... much less any sparks? It's been pretty bland so far this season. Given - Lana has some psych issues going on...
lol exactly for ALL those reasons you mentioned above, thanks ;)

skully
11-03-2007, 03:25 AM
I agree with all those who have said SV is getting back to a more classic feel. Maybe it's the cosy relationship that Clark and Lana have at the Farm (mimicking Ma and Pa Kent), or the old Lex v Lionel rivalry, or the current regular injection of mythos moments, but whatever it is, there is definitely an old-fashioned Smallville feel about the show at the moment. And it's great to have you back.

Mello Penelo
11-03-2007, 04:36 AM
I really miss the show from the first three seasons. It was so good then. Now it's just infuriating and the same thing every episode. And full of contradictions.

Coyote
11-03-2007, 09:28 AM
This season is much better than last year! Mainly because they have Supergirl to take over the show from dopey boring Clark. They should phase Clark down to a 10 episode cast member next year and change the show's emphasis to Supergirl. It's been 7 years and people are tired of Clark. He should go hang out with the rest of the Justice League at whatever gay bar they're in and let Kara take care of business.

HowardFilms
11-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Alexander III
Immigration episode was sooo pathetic....OMG BRUTEL!!

Least it was just an episode. It's an entire story arc in Heroes lately.

Humdinger
11-04-2007, 08:54 AM
Sorry, I find it disappointing. There were already too many unresolved issues from last season, now they're adding more characters with more unresolved issues. You get about three minutes with each of them and the episodes go nowhere. The issues are hardly developed before they add a new twist. I'm all in favor of suspense, but I'd like to see a little more screen time for the majors (except Lana). Maybe TPTB are jamming stuff in because of the projected writers' strike.

clarkbunny
11-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Yes, I am wondering if the strike has had anything to do with the poor quality of the first few episodes this season. It's either that or they have different writers. The only episode that felt like the Smallville i've come to love was Cure - which writers wrote that, does anyone know??

I dont think Al-Miles or whoever TPTB are writing any eps this season, it all seems to be written by guest writers - correct me if i'm wrong.

Vuv el
11-04-2007, 04:08 PM
Seasons 1 & 2 started off a little slow and not what i would have expected from Superman, but were talking bout the dev of clark not superman. Season 3 was a good season. I like so far how Supergirl is being written in season 7.

JudasAce
11-04-2007, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by clarkbunny
Yes, I am wondering if the strike has had anything to do with the poor quality of the first few episodes this season. It's either that or they have different writers. The only episode that felt like the Smallville i've come to love was Cure - which writers wrote that, does anyone know??

I dont think Al-Miles or whoever TPTB are writing any eps this season, it all seems to be written by guest writers - correct me if i'm wrong.

If anything, the quality of this season is way up this season.

Unless you define "Quality" as "All about Chloe and how everything goes right for her".

Mello Penelo
11-04-2007, 08:52 PM
Smallville is supposed to be about Clark growing up. Not pretending to be Superman sans spandex.

That's why I miss season 1 and 2. They ought to just stick him in the suit and end the show now. That's essentially what he's doing.

SteveS
11-09-2007, 06:41 AM
I have only bought one season of Smallville on DVD (season 1) and sold it a couple of years ago. This season, however, I might buy as I find it far superior to anything in recent years.

kryptonaidxh
11-09-2007, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Humdinger
Sorry, I find it disappointing. There were already too many unresolved issues from last season, now they're adding more characters with more unresolved issues. You get about three minutes with each of them and the episodes go nowhere. The issues are hardly developed before they add a new twist. I'm all in favor of suspense, but I'd like to see a little more screen time for the majors (except Lana). Maybe TPTB are jamming stuff in because of the projected writers' strike.

actually, I agree, more screen time for the majors: Clark, Lois, Chloe, Jimmy, Lex, Kara and that´s it:D

Mello Penelo
11-15-2007, 08:52 AM
Smallville will never be the show I love anymore. I really liked it until the end of season 3. I defended it in season 4. I was frustrated in season 5-- until Jonathan died and I got completely turned off and jaded about the quality of the show.

Dri-Sa
11-15-2007, 01:42 PM
im disppointed in the people that find Smallville disappointing, yet still watch it.

if you don't like it, don't watch it.
Go watch "Beauty and the Geek." if that satisfies you

Mello Penelo
11-15-2007, 03:03 PM
You know you can get banned for saying "don't watch it" don't you?

pizzaguy19
05-05-2008, 06:23 AM
As long as Clana ends soon enough, this season will be awesome.

Also, I hated Kara in Fierce and such, but she's getting better. She and Jimmy can get it on next episode for all I care, leaving plenty of room for...... CHLARK. :D




Smallville will never be the show I love anymore. I really liked it until the end of season 3. I defended it in season 4. I was frustrated in season 5-- until Jonathan died and I got completely turned off and jaded about the quality of the show.

You know he dies in every superman story right?

stenochick
05-05-2008, 06:40 AM
Jonathon was alive in "Lois and Clark."

LLaneFan
07-01-2008, 08:23 PM
WHY didn't they let Lana stay dead? Why why why?
I mean, I KNOW somebody high up in DC comics is putting restrictions on the Clois relationship on this show because it doesn't fit with other continuities, but they should be able to find a way to bypass it!
The reason I bring it up is because all Lana has done in this season is lie, manipulate, cheat, steal, blow up clones, and basically turn Clark into a suicidal, manic-depressive you-know-what. Clark is turning back into the wimpy whiny baby-boy oh-poor-me he was in season one. Lana forced him in this direction.
He is not like this around Lois. We need more Clois, less Clana, if Clark is ever actually going to GROW UP and become the man he has to be to be superman.
Who's up for really vamping up the Clois relationship in S8? I know I am.
However, beyond this SLIGHT problem, S7 was one of the best. I would say it closely follows S4 and S6 as my favorites.
NO!!!! NO pizzaguy19! Do not mention Chlark! Do not mention Clex! Do not mention Clana!
Clois forever!
Call me a traditionalist, but CLOIS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch Lois and Clark- you will believe me! Clois is destiny! It (the relationship) doesn't have to happen on Smallville, but Clark needs to at least admit to Chloe or somebody that he's in love with her. There have to be some major leanings that direction if the show isn't going to do a complete bellyflop!

SweetOne
07-01-2008, 08:25 PM
Not at all.

The show I loved was seasons 1-4 (Clark in high school) after that it has gone continuously downhill.

LLaneFan
07-01-2008, 08:33 PM
This season is much better than last year! Mainly because they have Supergirl to take over the show from dopey boring Clark. They should phase Clark down to a 10 episode cast member next year and change the show's emphasis to Supergirl. It's been 7 years and people are tired of Clark. He should go hang out with the rest of the Justice League at whatever gay bar they're in and let Kara take care of business.

Amen! Although... there is a supergirl spinoff potentially in the works...:rotfl:
Here's what should happen- Lois saves Clark's 'wounded' soul from the emotional torture inflicted on him this season by Lana, and takes him off to the DP to be in Metropolis and stuff, while back in SMALLVILLE (hell-o! That's the NAME of the show, but all the action is still happening in Metropolis! Something is wrong with this picture!) Kara kicks butt, cleans out the last nest of (evil) meteor freaks, destroys all evil supervillains from the mythos, and then comes to Metropolis at the end of S8 for her fantastic debut as supergirl.
And then it can be a reversal of roles- instead of the beloved superman introducing his
cousin to the world (from early comics), it can be the beloved supergirl introducing her cousin to the world!;)

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


Jonathon was alive in "Lois and Clark."

Yes, but that is the ONLY time in any superman storyline that he isn't dead before clark is out of high school.

dsv100
07-01-2008, 09:34 PM
Yes, but that is the ONLY time in any superman storyline that he isn't dead before clark is out of high school.
You're mistaken. The versions of Superman stories with a still-alive Jonathan are numerous, even if "Lois & Clark" is the only one you've ever seen.


There are the mainstream DC comics published since 1986, which unambiguously show Jonathan being alive during Superman's adventures
There is the Bruce Timm animated franchise (including "Superman the Animated Series," and "Justice League" follow-up shows, which together span 1996 to 2006)
"Superboy," the 1988-1992 show, which has as much claim to being a Superman story as "Smallville" does. Jonathan was alive during this show, which was set after Clark's high school graduation
there was a 1988 animated Superman show made by Ruby-Spears, whose cast of characters also included Jonathan
Two Superman novels came out in 2005, both including Jonathan as characters: Roger Stern's "Superman the Never Ending Battle," which follows comic continuity; and Tom De Haven's "It's Superman," which is set in its own canon and re-imagines Jonathan being alive (and Martha dead) as Clark sets off to become Superman in the 1930s.

I may have left some out inadvertently. But I think my point is made.
:)

JNottle
08-01-2008, 03:02 AM
To be honest, Jonathan in Smallville was constantly jealous of the fact Jor-el was around and made Clark have way to many trust issues with his secret.

I think Jonathan was annoyed by the fact Jor-el was affecting Clarks judgment on some things and tried to change it, also with Jonathan around he would never make his own decisions, personally, I think I agree with Raya, "The lessons we learn from pain are the ones what make us the strongest."