What did you think of Lionel Luthor in Lara?

[xrayvision]

Vote for what you thought of the MB in Kara.

[Bruce Knight]

i see lionel has gone back too being the good guy wonder how long that will last, i like how lex said i learn it from you dad throwing how bad a husband he was back into his face,dont get me wrong i liked lionel when i thought he really wanted to be good at the end of season 5 and most of season 6 but what he did in action just set me off track i just dont feel the same way

[xrayvision]

What he did in Action was a result of weeks of torture. I don't think it was right, but many others in his situation would have done it too if given the opportunity.

I think this episode shows again that Lionel is trying to be Lana's parent by covering up for her and allowing her to step back from her activities regarding Lex (even though she won't stop yet).

[Alexander III]

The way he lectured Lex was awesome, he made Lex go mute!

[Jephael]

I loved it when he showed up to help rescue Clark and Kara. I almost wanted him to say "Adopted father's side my @$$, Clark!"

[jimmyolsenblues]

I was surprised by the warm clark/lionel hug. Clark really trusts a murderer.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Jephael
I loved it when he showed up to help rescue Clark and Kara. I almost wanted him to say "Adopted father's side my @$$, Clark!"

Haha, that would have been great.

[Sub Snake]

Once again, to me Lionel is one of the most interesting characters.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

So does this prove that he's on Clark's side?

[Bruce Knight]

Originally posted by xrayvision
What he did in Action was a result of weeks of torture. I don't think it was right, but many others in his situation would have done it too if given the opportunity.

I think this episode shows again that Lionel is trying to be Lana's parent by covering up for her and allowing her to step back from her activities regarding Lex (even though she won't stop yet). weeks of torture? where did you get that? he was knocked out in phantom and woke up in action, the only time he was in pain was when he pulled his hand out of the bear trap and when he was hit in the head with a shovel, id hardly call that weeks of torture, now if that woman(i forget her name) went all hostel(movie refrence)on his a%$ then id understand why hed beat her to death

[SVfan4ever]

Originally posted by Jephael
I almost wanted him to say "Adopted father's side my @$$, Clark!"

LOL You crack me up.

[Jephael]

Yea, I also thought it was funny when Lex expressed how his treatment of Lana was based on how Lionel used to treat Lex's mother because it reminded me of that old anti-drug commercial with the kid yelling at his father "I learned it from watching you!"

[xrayvision]

Haha, that drug commercial from the 80's haunted me as a kid.

[Odysseus]

Lionel was very fun to watch this episode. Loved how he's been spying on Carter and Project Starhawk. The convo with Lex was interesting as always.

[xrayvision]

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

Brings back memories.

[Jephael]

Thanks for saving me the trouble, pal! I was gonna log onto YouTube and go searching for it.

[chantal]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I was surprised by the warm clark/lionel hug. Clark really trusts a murderer.

The last time Clark saw Lionel, Lionel risked his life to try to save Clark from Bizarro. I think that deserves a hug. Also for trying to stop Clark from killing Lex, since Clark would probably have regretted doing that when he found out Lana was alive.

If by murderer, you're referring to Marilyn, Clark doesn't know about Lana's little stunt. If you are referring to Lionel's parents, everyone seems to have put that behind them!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

He's still Lion-El.

That's the only explanation I can think of.

[Zooks]

lionel has been good since transference but since acting goody goody failed by onyx, he has to do it the luthor way. he's been "helping" clark since letting lana get the map to the stone in china. he's been protecting clark since he shot jason teague right before he was going to reveal something about clark in forever. then came Lion-El.

[chantal]

He is doing good things the bad Luthor way. Since the agent found out Clark was an alien, he had to be got rid of. But since Clark can't kill, and MM wasn't around, Lionel killed him.

And maybe Kara flew off with the body and dropped it in the Atlantic, or something?

[Welling21]

i have to say, after this episode i'm extremily interested in what Lionel's up to. he seems to be on clark's side. when he and clark hugged i thought, "awwww!" and when he saved clark from the gov't guy, i was like go MB!! he's AWESOME :)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by chantal
He is doing good things the bad Luthor way. Since the agent found out Clark was an alien, he had to be got rid of. But since Clark can't kill, and MM wasn't around, Lionel killed him.

And maybe Kara flew off with the body and dropped it in the Atlantic, or something?

Yup. That's the problem with writing Clark like a BDA going around and doing things at this stage without a costume. I've been saying for a while that they should create a pre-Superman suit (what I call a Naman or Kal-El suit) for this time before he becomes Superman. I would have a headpiece with a reflective visor to cover his face. Later on he can go with the classic Superman suit.

Lionel having to kill Carter is the side effect of making Clark do his hero work without being costumed.

[moviefan2k4]

Lionel seems to be the embodiment of the phrase "the ends justify the means". That can work fairly well in fiction, but in reality it's only a matter of time before you wind up in a psycho ward, jail, or dead.

Speaking of which, I just realized Lionel has two of those bases covered.;)

[citizenlen]

Lionel was protecting Lana. When Lex found him, Lionel accused Lex of doing this, but he knew it wasn't him. Therefore, I agree with one of the stmt that Lionel killed Marilyn to prevent her from talking and blowing the whistle on Lana. He knows the trauma that Lex caused her. And he forced her to marry Lex and made her spy on him.

Isn't any wonder she has a Big Brother system set up? She learned from Lionel and I think there's some guilt on him which goes back when she got shot in Noir.

He knows how revenge and obsession is a downward spiral. He's concern for Lana just like he's concern for his own son.

[NoSupeForYou]

Lionel is really racking up the body count this season. Imagine all the corpses if he hadn't been unconscious since the dam break.

[Spirit Detective]

Lionel is the Magnificent Bastard. He is one of the best characters on Smallville.

[mrsmallfan]

Originally posted by Jephael
I loved it when he showed up to help rescue Clark and Kara. I almost wanted him to say "Adopted father's side my @$$, Clark!" Heh heh heh! To be blunt, I think that is what Lionel wanted to say! He was trying to be on good terms with Clark.

[chantal]

Originally posted by citizenlen
Lionel was protecting Lana. When Lex found him, Lionel accused Lex of doing this, but he knew it wasn't him. Therefore, I agree with one of the stmt that Lionel killed Marilyn to prevent her from talking and blowing the whistle on Lana. He knows the trauma that Lex caused her. And he forced her to marry Lex and made her spy on him.

Isn't any wonder she has a Big Brother system set up? She learned from Lionel and I think there's some guilt on him which goes back when she got shot in Noir.

He knows how revenge and obsession is a downward spiral. He's concern for Lana just like he's concern for his own son.

At the time that Lionel killed Marilyn, he didn't even know that Lana was still alive. He had been out of everything since shortly after the SUV exploded. Why would he assume Lana (of all people) had him kidnapped? It's not like he doesn't have other enemies. Anyway, all he had to do to cover up the kidnapping was what he did do. Not go to the police, and release a story that he was found wandering on a highway. To blow the whistle on Lana, Marilyn would have to reveal her own involvement (and her cash crop!) Not likely.

Why would Lionel have guilt about a dream that JIMMY had? Lionel has frequently made it clear that he is contemptuous of Lana and that he sees right through her.

[mrsmallfan]

Originally posted by moviefan2k4
Lionel seems to be the embodiment of the phrase "the ends justify the means". That can work fairly well in fiction, but in reality it's only a matter of time before you wind up in a psycho ward, jail, or dead.

Speaking of which, I just realized Lionel has two of those bases covered.;) VERY GOOD POINT!

[Cychotec]

Originally posted by chantal
Why would Lionel have guilt about a dream that JIMMY had?

Lana was shot before Jimmy started dreamn ;) It wasn't a dream that she was shot.

I like Lionel in every episode he's in. Just the way he says things. Lionel is my idol :P

[chantal]

Sorry, I forgot about that. I was just thinking of her being shot by Clark in the dream. Wishful thinking, I guess!

You're right, he was sorry about that. But when he was in the cabin he still didn't know Lana was alive. Nor would he know that she was on a super vengeance kick. In fact, he was probably so delirious, he couldn't do much thinking at all.

[Randy G.]

I loved the scene between Lionel & Lex in this episode.
Very raw, and extremely well written. :)


Originally posted by moviefan2k4
Lionel seems to be the embodiment of the phrase "the ends justify the means". That can work fairly well in fiction, but in reality it's only a matter of time before you wind up in a psycho ward, jail, or dead.

Speaking of which, I just realized Lionel has two of those bases covered.;)

Brilliant! :lol:

[Cychotec]

Originally posted by chantal
Sorry, I forgot about that. I was just thinking of her being shot by Clark in the dream. Wishful thinking, I guess!

You're right, he was sorry about that. But when he was in the cabin he still didn't know Lana was alive. Nor would he know that she was on a super vengeance kick. In fact, he was probably so delirious, he couldn't do much thinking at all.

I agree, I don't think Lionel knew about Lanas involvement unitl after he escaped and pieced things together.

[thehenry89]

I found lionel to be simply...magnifecent. :D

[Minela]

I didn't appreciate Lionel's lecture of Lex. He should be more supportive of his real son, instead of protecting the Almighty Lana Lang. Lex is partialy the way he is because of Lionel. I think a bit more understanding on Lionel's side would be greatly appreciated.

[All about Clark]

I voted for "parents of both", but we all know Lionel only cares about Lana and how she affects Clark and nothing more. Haa, in transference Clark/Lionel in the barn says "Oh, this one" in a very disgusted manner.

I thought Lex pegging his father as more of a father to Clark very cool. Looking forward to more on this.

[msleggie]

Lionel was great in this episode. I especially loved the Lionel/Lex scene at the end, I give it 2 thumbs way way up!!! :D

[borednow]

Awesome but I miss his hair. :(

[jaydee85]

Thank God Lex gets to keep his dad. They are great together. I sure wish the story line with Lionel and Martha could have stayed. They were also great together. I loved how Clark felt uncomfortable about the two spending time together.

[Karafan]

Lionel is out for Lionel. Lionel doen't do anything out of the goodness of his heart. I think if Lionel had to choose between Lex living or Clark Living I still think he would pick Lex. Despite their strain they still love each other. Look how Lex came to rescue Lionel from that woman.

[Cychotec]

Thats what I like about Lionel, he's unpredictable, at least the least predictable of all the character

[euterpe]

Originally posted by Karafan
Lionel is out for Lionel. Lionel doen't do anything out of the goodness of his heart. I think if Lionel had to choose between Lex living or Clark Living I still think he would pick Lex. Despite their strain they still love each other. Look how Lex came to rescue Lionel from that woman.
Of course Lex still loves Lionel, but he also hates him for not being a real father to him. And I think Lex hates himself for realizing he still loves Lionel and deep down still desires and seeks Lionel's love and approval. Children never really stop wanting that from their parents no matter how old we get.

Besides hate is not the evil opposite of love...indifference is the opposite of love. They're more of a spectrum. Love �¨ Hate �¨ Indifference. Hate still implies importance. The person still has significance for you. They matter. Indifference assumes no significance. The person is as consequential to you as a mote of dust. That is far worse than hate.

I suppose Lionel still loves Lex on some level, but not as much as he loves himself. I always thought Lionel viewed Lex is more of another one of his possessions than a son. Maybe that's how he really views Clark too...a possible future acquisition. No matter what, Lionel has not changed his spots. He's still the same old MB he's always been. He's just keeping his aces far up his sleeves out of sight from both Lex and Clark.

[borednow]

Originally posted by euterpe

Besides hate is not the evil opposite of love...indifference is the opposite of love. They're more of a spectrum. Love �¨ Hate �¨ Indifference. Hate still implies importance. The person still has significance for you. They matter. Indifference assumes no significance. The person is as consequential to you as a mote of dust. That is far worse than hate.


Best line I've ever heard to describe the dynamic between love and hate was. "Love and Hate are two horns on the same goat." :lol: got to love old movies.

I do think that despite everything Lionel loves Lex. He's just saddened and disappointed in him. Strangely for stuff he would have been proud of before...

[chloefan]

I'm glad he's back and the acting as usual was stellar but he looked weak and fragile. I hope his health is ok.

[jazel]

Lionel, Lex, and Lois are probably the only 3 reasons, I'm still watching.;)

[ginnyfan]

I enjoyed him. It's good to have him back. That scene between Lionel and Lex was wonderful. :)

[svtwamedfan05]

He was awesome. He even knew Clark was straight up lying to his face.

[chantal]

Originally posted by chloefan
I'm glad he's back and the acting as usual was stellar but he looked weak and fragile. I hope his health is ok.

That was probably makeup and acting. Since Lionel went without medical treatment, not to mention food or water, for 3 or 4 weeks it would have been weird if he hadn't shown the effects. The producers may be slap dash on continuity, but John Glover is too good an actor to ignore that sort of thing. On one of the commentaries, he pointed out how pleased he was that the makeup department provided him with a scar that faded over a span of episodes.

[M0RGAN]

He was simply fantastic in this episode. The pained look on his face when Lex called Lionel on his treatment of Lillian just took the cake. The verbal sparring between Lex and Lionel was top notch on this episode & I really hope to see more before the season ends in February.

[pizzaguy19]

Great, he is the father of one (Lex) but parent to two (Clark & Lana).

lolwut? How is he Lana's parent seeing as he knows and accused her of kidnapping him and holding him hostage JUST last episode?

He was awesome in this epi, btw.

[Jephael]

In his own way, Lionel was trying to help Lana get over Clark so she could move on with her life.