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uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
That bastard! It isn't his. If Kara stole something of his, he'd throw her into the Phantom Zone and take his stuff. Well, he'd be pissed. It's a double standard.

Actually, I don't see it that way. Kara is staying on the farm, he probably told her where it is and they know why they have to hide it. Technically, it's THEIR crystal, but it could be Clark's crystal because it has Clark's mother's DNA, not Kara's mother or her father's.

Jlandsw

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

I was not expecting Clark to have that crystal. I wonder what made him decide to take it, and hide it from Kara no less.

erikamichelle614

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

yea, im sure hell show it to her..

1st the syrup, now the crystal!

ahhh

i seriouly almost fell out of my chair!

Izzysand

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

that was a great twist, clark had the crystal i was like no way!

Sub Snake

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

Maybe hes the one that took it with the help of Lionel?

alienkinfolk

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

With this move-Clark may be slowly moving out of the BDA territoty...finally

BeatlesRule

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

I was thinking this was a different crystal than the one from Kara's ship because it appeared a different color to me. Maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention though.

ajac

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

now he can make an evil clone of his mother to take over the world

SVfan4ever

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

That blew me away! Totally unexpected.

lana kent 04

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
Recycled Roswell plotline anyone?

That's kind of twisted and weird, IMO. It follows the Clona thing as well.

i do too. it's a little too lexish for me.

aqgalaxy

11-01-2007, 07:08 PM

I don't get it... he has it and he knows it has his mother's DNA what he expected to do? Clone his Mom?

skylar

11-01-2007, 07:08 PM

How in the HELL did clark get the crystal? My be when Lana told him that Kara was in D.C he saw the crystal there before he saved her!

jryanp

11-01-2007, 07:09 PM

But Miles ain't too happy about it...

did you catch the ominous music at the end?

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 07:11 PM

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Jlandsw
I was not expecting Clark to have that crystal. I wonder what made him decide to take it, and hide it from Kara no less.

Stop assuming he's hiding it from her. You guys are forgetting that she lives WITH Clark on the farm. What if he told her he had to keep it in a safe place and she agreed to it? I think we all need to stop jumping to conclusions because they could've had an off-screen moment with the crystal.

Kefala323

11-01-2007, 07:11 PM

He really is stupid isn't he. I mean. Of all the places you could hide it. Let me see how bout the FOS. nawwwww, let me hide it under the stairs. Good call jacka$$

clanafanforever

11-01-2007, 07:12 PM

i wasn't really expecting that either i was kinda thinking that it was that bracelet that kyla's father gave to him back in season two. I wonder how he plans on using it.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It's her crystal. Clark used his to make his house.

if it's her ****ing crystal, then why is HIS mother's DNA in the crystal? That doesn't make sense...Why would her niece want her DNA? It makes no sense...If anything, it should be given to him because it has HIS mother's DNA in it, not Kara's mother's DNA.

Sub Snake

11-01-2007, 07:12 PM

And Im sure hes gonna go to the FoS and ask wtf to do with it. ITs not like theres a button. lol.

Rhaspodel

11-01-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I understand why he would show it to Lana, but how is it going to be used? I thought Clark was supposed to meet his mother? He didn't meet her, he just saw her...

I was shocked! Shocked! :eek: When Clark show the picture of his birth mother to Lana, it was good to see her react to it, but in a twist never-seen-coming, Clark showed her the crystal with his mom's DNA inside it.

(Seems the El males of the family has a side of sneakiness toward kryptonian objects)

And about Clark actually meeting her won't come until "Blue".

theotherJane

11-01-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by skylar
How in the HELL did clark get the crystal? My be when Lana told him that Kara was in D.C he saw the crystal there before he saved her!

I think he beat her to it just before she broke that mirror thingy and found it missing.

KLGChaos

11-01-2007, 07:14 PM

inperfectmemory

11-01-2007, 07:15 PM

i don't know... it seemed pretty sneaky. but then again it never showed kara going crazy over where it was. i hate how they lead us on.

Runestone

11-01-2007, 07:16 PM

Is Clark only going to tell Lana? He's keeping it a secret from Kara, but do you think he'll show Chloe or Lionel?

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by KLGChaos
His mom's DNA is IN the crystal. Zor-El put it there. He said as much during the memory of him with Lara.

I know it's in there...I was responding to Mello's comment. She says it's Kara's crystal, but why does it have HIS mother's DNA in it? If it was meant for Kara, it would have Kara's mother's DNA, not Clark's, Mello. That was my point.

Randy G.

11-01-2007, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Stop assuming he's hiding it from her. You guys are forgetting that she lives WITH Clark on the farm. What if he told her he had to keep it in a safe place and she agreed to it? I think we all need to stop jumping to conclusions because they could've had an off-screen moment with the crystal.

It's not an assumption, it's a fact. As of right now, Clark IS hiding the crystal from Kara.
That's not saying that he won't come clean with her later, but for now, he's keeping it from her.

redeem147

11-01-2007, 07:18 PM

If he wasn't hiding it from Kara, he wouldn't have put it in the lead lined box. They actually got me with a twist surprise, but I don't think I like what it says about Clark.

Krypton935

11-01-2007, 07:19 PM

Holy Sh!t that was crazy!!!!! I was so shocked!!! I like screamed and my mom was like "Well I saw that coming!" grrrr

Coyote

11-01-2007, 07:19 PM

Well, Clark is as dumb as ever to trust Lana with this.

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
if it's her ****ing crystal, then why is HIS mother's DNA in the crystal? That doesn't make sense...Why would her niece want her DNA? It makes no sense...If anything, it should be given to him because it has HIS mother's DNA in it, not Kara's mother's DNA.

Lara's DNA shouldn't be in it anyway! If Lara comes back to life, it completely defeats the purpose of Clark ever having Jonathan and Martha in his life.

kp1984

11-01-2007, 07:20 PM

Maybe he's going to put it in the FOS. This way he can tlak to his mom like he dose to his dad.

Runestone

11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Would you stop saying he's hiding it from her?

He put it under a floorboard in the barn. Granted he doesn't want the government to find it, but STILL.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Randy G.
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. That's the "Smallville twist" they spoke about.

I don't think so. There was also a very brief scene where one of Lex's men told him that there was something in that green vile that was "growing" and "wanted out."

mistaguitarmasta

11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Would you stop saying he's hiding it from her? We don't know that...He didn't say, "Lana, look at this crystal, I'm hiding it from Kara and it has my mother's DNA in it," so far all we know, she's aware of where it is because she lives in the same house as Clark. He has no reason to fight with her after they made amends after he revived her.

Right. Kara totally knows about it. That's why Clark hid it in a LEAD BOX.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
He put it under a floorboard in the barn. Granted he doesn't want the government to find it, but STILL.

Well, maybe they both agreed to put it there, damnit...Did anyone stop to think about that? No, you just assume Clark is being evil because you didn't see Kara standing next to him when he put it in the floorboard.

Twitch

11-01-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by redeem147
If he wasn't hiding it from Kara, he wouldn't have put it in the lead lined box. They actually got me with a twist surprise, but I don't think I like what it says about Clark.

Nice catch, I didn't notice the box was made of lead at first.

Darth Pipes

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

"This crystal has my mother's DNA."

That's about the creepiest thing Clark could have said.

Interesting twist though...didn't see that one coming.

theotherJane

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by mistaguitarmasta
Right. Kara totally knows about it. That's why Clark hid it in a LEAD BOX.

Exactly. He's definitely hiding it. Besides, the way he showed it to Lana, there was almost a Gollum like flash in his eyes that seemed to say "My preciousss...."

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

If she can hack into a government database, what makes any of you think she's not already aware of the fact that she can't see through lead?

Runestone

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Well, maybe they both agreed to put it there, damnit...Did anyone stop to think about that? No, you just assume Clark is being evil because you didn't see Kara standing next to him when he put it in the floorboard.

I was stating my opinion, there's no need to snap. We're all entitled to our own and either of us could be wrong.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
I was stating my opinion, there's no need to snap.

I'm sorry. For some reason, I feel like it's wrong to assume that Clark has done the wrong thing since he didn't assume Kara was evil despite what MM had to say, but just because he put the crystal in a box, he's hiding it? That's no fair to his character.

TECHWON

11-01-2007, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It's a double standard.

IT IS, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT AND YOU KNOW CLARK IS DUMB IF KARA FOUND IT SHE'D BE PISSED OR MAYBE SHE MIGHT BE HAPPY 4 HER

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:31 PM

They both should be happy since it contains the DNA of a relative. That's the bottom line.

Runestone

11-01-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I'm sorry. For some reason, I feel like it's wrong to assume that Clark has done the wrong thing since he didn't assume Kara was evil despite what MM had to say, but just because he put the crystal in a box, he's hiding it? That's no fair to his character.

This is how I see it: Clark keeps lots of secrets. He hasn't known Kara for very long and might not completely trust her yet (with reason), especially judging on how much she cared for Lara. Their opinions might differ about what to do with the crystal. Perhaps he'll tell her eventually, but IMO she doesn't know yet.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:32 PM

Just like she kept the fact that she knew where the crystal was from him? That's a double standard too. She kept something from him too, she's not the innocent victim you'd like to think she is.

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by TECHWON
IT IS, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT AND YOU KNOW CLARK IS DUMB IF KARA FOUND IT SHE'D BE PISSED OR MAYBE SHE MIGHT BE HAPPY 4 HER

Whether you agree with me or not, don't write in all caps.

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Just like she kept the fact that she knew where the crystal was from him? That's a double standard too.

She didn't know where it was.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:36 PM

yeah, so... why didn't clark tell kara he had the crystal when he caught up to her in dc? it woulda kinda saved her from being kidnapped and almost killed - oh i know! 'cause then they wouldn't have an EPISODE!!! (whew! that was hard)

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
She didn't know where it was.

When she found out where it was, she didn't tell him....She kept it to herself, so she's not innocent either...She's not an angel, but Lex and some of you think she is, but she's not.

Originally posted by CeeJ
yeah, so... why didn't clark tell kara he had the crystal when he caught up to her in dc? it woulda kinda saved her from being kidnapped and almost killed - oh i know! 'cause then they wouldn't have an EPISODE!!! (whew! that was hard)

No, because they were both in the room when he got the damn crystal, that's why. After he revived her, they hugged each other and the scene was over. For all we know, he grabbed while she was standing right there.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Actually, I don't see it that way. Kara is staying on the farm, he probably told her where it is and they know why they have to hide it. Technically, it's THEIR crystal, but it could be Clark's crystal because it has Clark's mother's DNA, not Kara's mother or her father's.

True, but when did Clark get it? I don't think he should tell Lana anything, but then he doesn't know she's sneaking around behind his back kidnapping people.

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Well, maybe they both agreed to put it there, damnit...Did anyone stop to think about that? No, you just assume Clark is being evil because you didn't see Kara standing next to him when he put it in the floorboard.

Clark's not being evil. Jor El told him to get the crystal, and not let Kara get it.....remember.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim

No, because they were both in the room when he got the damn crystal, that's why. After he revived her, they hugged each other and the scene was over. For all we know, he grabbed while she was standing right there.

well, i was under the impression that clark had gotten it before kara got to the lab since it was missing and all... silly me.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
True, but when did Clark get it?

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say to everyone else. He got the crystal after he revived her and they hugged each other. There's no way he could've grabbed it beforehand because there was kryptonite liquid in the room. He didn't have a chance to grab it then or before because he was weakened the second he got in, so the theory that he got it before she did is wrong; he would've been too weak.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:43 PM

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say to everyone else. He got the crystal after he revived her and they hugged each other. There's no way he could've grabbed it beforehand because there was kryptonite liquid in the room. He didn't have a chance to grab it then or before because he was weakened the second he got in, so the theory that he got it before she did is wrong; he would've been too weak.

Exactly, nothing was broken in the lab, and no one had broken in there when Kara got there the first time, but that doesn't totally rule out Clark getting sooner, who knows, they didn't explain it.

But Jor El did tell Clark to get the crystal and not let Kara get it. Now we know why, it has his mother's DNA and who knows what else. Why would Clark want to clone his mom? It wouldn't be her, it would be like her twin.

Alexander III

11-01-2007, 07:44 PM

Clark's evil! EVIL!!

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Alexander III
Clark's evil! EVIL!!

No he isn't. Jor El told him to get the crystal. Doesn't anyone remember that?

biggkoz

11-01-2007, 07:46 PM

So clark clones his mom,great its still not his real mom.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
Exactly, nothing was broken in the lab, and no one had broken in there when Kara got their the first time, but that doesn't totally rule out Clark getting sooner, who knows, they didn't explain it.

He couldn't have got it sooner though because after he forced the door open, he was weakened the moment he walked in and Agent Carter had the kryptonite-laced handcuffs. Plus, it's a lab. You keep things in a lab, which means the kryptonite liquids would've still been in there whether he got there before she was even captured and taken there....

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by biggkoz
So clark clones his mom,great its still not his real mom.

Right, it would be her twin. Maybe he thinks having a twin of his mom would be better than nothing, who knows.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
No he isn't. Jor El told him to get the crystal. Doesn't anyone remember that?

No, I don't think they do. I think everyone wants to say Clark's evil and Kara's an angel tonight.

theotherJane

11-01-2007, 07:48 PM

You guys...Clark definitely beat her to it...the first time, when she got there and broke that mirror thingy and found it missing.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
He couldn't have got it sooner though because after he forced the door open, he was weakened the moment he walked in and Agent Carter had the kryptonite-laced handcuffs. Plus, it's a lab. You keep things in a lab, which means the kryptonite liquids would've still been in there whether he got there before she was even captured and taken there....

I don't know, remember when they didn't explain how Lana got the chisel? And then they didn't explain how Clark got it back.

Coyote

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Nothing good can come from Lana knowing about this. Clark was a fool.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
Exactly, nothing was broken in the lab, and no one had broken in there when Kara got there the first time, but that doesn't totally rule out Clark getting sooner, who knows, they didn't explain it.

on the contrary, i think that's the only possible explanation - clark got the crystal before kara reached the lab the first time. that is, unless you want to believe that an unknown person stole the crystal before kara reached the lab and that same unknown person, or some other unknown person, replaced the crystal in the lab for some unknown reason just in time for clark to recover it before kara was revived. oh yeah, that makes perfect sense...

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by theotherJane
You guys...Clark definitely beat her to it...the first time, when she got there and broke that mirror thingy and found it missing.

I'm going to have to rewind it because I don't remember her doing that.

superspider02

11-01-2007, 07:51 PM

yea i was totally shocked on how the episode ended. I to wonder when the hell did he get his hands on the crystal.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
on the contrary, i think that's the only possible explanation - clark got the crystal before kara reached the lab the first time. that is, unless you want to believe that an unknown person stole the crystal before kara reached the lab and that same unknown person, or some other unknown person, replaced the crystal in the lab for some unknown reason just in time for clark to recover it before kara was revived. oh yeah, that makes perfect sense...

You're misunderstanding my post. It didn't "look" as if anyone broke in before Kara, the glass wasn't broken. Clark still could have gotten it before her somehow, they didn't explain it. However, he also could have found it "after" he saved Kara.

theotherJane

11-01-2007, 07:52 PM

^
Yes, right after she seduced that guy and ran into the vault, broke the mirror thingy and found it missing.

Why is Clark hiding it? Don't know yet, but that doesn't make him evil, and people that are saying that are just yanking your chain. He definitely has his own reasons for doing it, could be Jor-El could be something else.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:53 PM

Maybe Lionel worked with him?

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:54 PM

ooh ooh! i have a good one!! the green arrow found it on one of his top secret missions and sent it to clark in the mail!! wow! i should write for the show!!!:p

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
wow! i should write for the show!!!:p

Don't quit your day job...LOL

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
You're misunderstanding my post. It didn't "look" as if anyone broke in before Kara, the glass wasn't broken. Clark still could have gotten it before her somehow, they didn't explain it. However, he also could have found it "after" he saved Kara.
yeah, ok, i'm serious now. my whole point is that if clark didn't have it when kara broke the mirror then who did? it just makes more sense for clark to have had it, since he's the one who ended up with it than to assume that an unknown person had it then replaced it for clark to get it while kara was unconscious. we know the secret agent didn't have it because he accused lex of having it.

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Don't quit your day job...LOL
awww, i'm hurt...:(

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
yeah, ok, i'm serious now. my whole point is that if clark didn't have it when kara broke the mirror then who did? it just makes more sense for clark to have had it, since he's the one who ended up with it than to assume that an unknown person had it then replaced it for clark to get it while kara was unconscious.

Even if Clark did have it before she got into the lab, how did he get into the lab, how did he access the computer to open the door to where the crystal was? She needed an access card to get in, she didn't know how to operate the computer to open the door, which is why she smashed it, so tell me: How and when did Clark get an access card to get into the lab and how did Clark open the glass door without breaking it? The answer is: Lionel. He mentioned to Lex that he visited the lab, which is how he found out about his obsession with Kara. He's the only one, besides Lex, that would have an access card to get into the lab without looking like it was a break in, unless he gave Clark the card before Kara got there and he got in, which still doesn't explain how he was able to open the glass door without breaking it like she did.

galatians221

11-01-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
That bastard! It isn't his. If Kara stole something of his, he'd throw her into the Phantom Zone and take his stuff. Well, he'd be pissed. It's a double standard.

Jor El COMMANDED him to retrieve the crystal and not let Kara have it. That has a higher priority than his fortress training. It is his only mission for now.

Cogito17

11-01-2007, 08:05 PM

Maybe Lex took it, then when Lana told Clark that Kara was at Lex's he took it from Lex?

I dunno, that seems like a bit of a stretch, I generally tend to go with the simpler explanation that Clark simply took it from the get-go. Though, where did he get his info on the lab where it was being kept? I thought he just knew in general that Kara was in Washington looking for info on the ship?

As to whether he is keeping it a secret from Kara or not, it seemed to me like he is. If he wasn't keeping it a secret, it would have made much more sense to show the final scene with Clark/Kara instead of Clark/Lana. The crystal is of far more relevance to Kara than it is to Lana. Just my take!

Insight

11-01-2007, 08:05 PM

I think Lionel helped him get in. He knew about the place and 'conveniently' showed up when Clark was in danger later. I think that scene with him and Clark extended into him telling Clark where it was and how to get it.

I have to say that I was convinced Lex had it stored in the not-so-safe.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:06 PM

Khyla

11-01-2007, 08:06 PM

i think Lionel managed to get it first and gave it to Clark.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:07 PM

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Cogito17
I thought he just knew in general that Kara was in Washington looking for info on the ship?

well, that's what jimmy told him, but clark knew that the only thing left from the ship was the crystal so he probably knew that must have been what kara was looking for

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Cogito17
I dunno, that seems like a bit of a stretch, I generally tend to go with the simpler explanation that Clark simply took it from the get-go. Though, where did he get his info on the lab where it was being kept? I thought he just knew in general that Kara was in Washington looking for info on the ship?

Lionel told him about Domestic Security and operation Skyhawk, which is why all of those people were working in the lab. They were supposed to researching on an Alien threat in Smallville after the second meteor shower I think. However, that still doesn't explain how Clark got into the lab undetected unless Lex gave him an access card after he confronted him about where she was, but I don't think Lex would be that nice, that's why I'm thinking it was Lionel.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
However, that still doesn't explain how Clark got into the lab undetected unless Lex gave him an access card after he confronted him about where she was, but I don't think Lex would be that nice, that's why I'm thinking it was Lionel.
since when does tearing the door down mean "undetected"?

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by galatians221
Jor El COMMANDED him to retrieve the crystal and not let Kara have it. That has a higher priority than his fortress training. It is his only mission for now.

It doesn't matter. Jor-El told Clark to take something that doesn't belong to him. That's bad parenting, which should be out of character for what people are calling this "new Jor-El."

Jor-El was screwed up from the start. The crystal is Kara's, regardless of Jor-El telling Clark to take it or not. It's theft.

Cogito17

11-01-2007, 08:13 PM

Well, they did show Kara breaking into the facility without an ID card or anything to get her in. As well as break the glass to discover the crystal was missing, all while avoiding detection. It may be just one of those things where the writers expect us to nod our heads and assume Clark and Kara both superpowered their way past what you would expect is high level security.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
since when does tearing the door down mean "undetected"?

I'm talking about when Clark supposedly got into the lab to get the crystal before Kara got there.

Reuben

11-01-2007, 08:15 PM

I saw that coming from a mile away. As soon as the Crystal was gone I knew it was Clark who had it.

As for what he's going to do with it. No idea.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:15 PM

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Cogito17
Well, they did show Kara breaking into the facility without an ID card or anything to get her in. As well as break the glass to discover the crystal was missing, all while avoiding detection.

Actually, she had the ID card of that nerd she pretended to pick up in the bar, remember?

Cogito17

11-01-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Actually, she had the ID card of that nerd she pretended to pick up in the bar, remember?

Ahh, you are right, I forgot about that. Though, she did still break the glass or whatever that "unbreakable" security device was supposed to be.

skully

11-01-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
No he isn't. Jor El told him to get the crystal. Doesn't anyone remember that? Exactly. Are you all forgetting that Clark sided with MM in Cure when he warned that Clark had to get his hands on the crystal or all things that he holds dear would be lost. Which was reinforced by Jor-El in The FoS. Clark still doesn't know if he can trust Kara. But he trusts MM. So he's got the crystal as ordered by his mentor and his father.

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
Right, even though Zor El tried to kill Jor El, and their entire planet was destroyed. Hmmm.. I think that calls for caution, and listening to Jor El.

Prove it. Prove Zor-El tried to kill Jor-El.

Jor-El probably wants the crystal so he can destroy it and keep Lara from being a voice of reason to Clark. Since obviously Clark's father has no concept of personal property.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Actually, she had the ID card of that nerd she pretended to pick up in the bar, remember?
maybe clark had the id card of a girl nerd:lol:

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Prove it. Prove Zor-El tried to kill Jor-El.

Jor-El probably wants the crystal so he can destroy it and keep Lara from being a voice of reason to Clark. Since obviously Clark's father has no concept of personal property.

DNA theft is theft. Lara's DNA was not Zor El's property.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It doesn't matter. Jor-El told Clark to take something that doesn't belong to him. That's bad parenting, which should be out of character for what people are calling this "new Jor-El."

Jor-El was screwed up from the start. The crystal is Kara's, regardless of Jor-El telling Clark to take it or not. It's theft.

But what I don't get is: Regardless of the fact that Zor-El made the crystal, why would such a thing containing her aunt's DNA be of any importance to her when that blood is the blood of her cousin's mother and since we know it is, doesn't that mean that the DNA contained on the crystal has more meaning for Clark than it does for Kara, regardless of the fact that Zor-El put in there because of his desire?

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Prove it. Prove Zor-El tried to kill Jor-El.

um, didn't lara SAY zor-el tried to kill her hubby. plus, i think MM told clark that earlier. but as for proving it - i can't. i must confess, i wasn't there...

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Prove it. Prove Zor-El tried to kill Jor-El.

Lara reminded Zor-El that he did try to kill his own brother in the flashback and when Kara woke up, she remembered and that's why she apologized to him because she kept telling Clark that his father was evil but unaware that her own father tried to kill his brother.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
But what I don't get is: Regardless of the fact that Zor-El made the crystal, why would such a thing containing her aunt's DNA be of any importance to her when that blood is the blood of her cousin's mother and since we know it is, doesn't that mean that the DNA contained on the crystal has more meaning for Clark than it does for Kara, regardless of the fact that Zor-El put in there because of his desire?

Kara doesn't know what's in the crystal, only that her father told her to keep it, and that it had all that was left of Krypton in it.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
Zor El took Clark's mom's DNA and put it in the crystal. That's DNA theft.
*gasp* DNA theft!! it's the new fear...

Originally posted by curiosity
DNA theft is theft.
that's gonna be my new bumper sticker!!

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
Kara doesn't know what's in the crystal, only that her father told her to keep it, and that it had all that was left of Krypton in it.

Do you not remember that Kara was standing in the doorway the entire time Zor-El was talking to her? She was right there, she heard everything, she's well aware of the fact that the crystal contains her aunt's DNA. She even remembered that her own father wiped her memory, that's why she apologized to Clark.

curiosity

11-01-2007, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
*gasp* DNA theft!! it's the new fear...

that's gonna be my new bumper sticker!!

There's no flaming of posts on this website, it's against the rules, and, discussing yourself (your bumper sticker) is against the rules also. Just a friendly reminder.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Do you not remember that Kara was standing in the doorway the entire time Zor-El was talking to her? She was right there, she heard everything, she's well aware of the fact that the crystal contains her aunt's DNA. She even remembered that her own father wiped her memory, that's why she apologized to Clark.
yes, but she didn't know until that freaky machine thing brought back a repressed memory that the crystal contained lara's dna. she just knew what her father had told her - that it would give her all the help she would need when she took care of kal-el.

Originally posted by curiosity
There's no flaming of posts on this website, it's against the rules, and, discussing yourself (your bumper sticker) is against the rules also. Just a friendly reminder.
didn't even mean to offend. i just thought it was hilarious. i mean, totally, it made me laugh:lol:
apologies

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
she just knew what her father had told her - that it would give her all the help she would need when she took care of kal-el.

But she stood in the doorway and listened to what he was telling Lara the entire time, so how could she NOT know the crystal contained the DNA? Because after she reminded him that he tried to kill his brother, she walked in and he told her to go outside and then she stood in the door way when he was talking about the DNA...She also has super-hearing...How could she not have heard it?

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
But she stood in the door and listened to what he was telling Lara the entire time, so how could she NOT know the crystal contained the DNA? Because after she reminded him that he tried to kill his brother, she walked in and he told her to go outside and then she stood in the door way when he was talking about the DNA...She also has super-hearing...How could she not have heard it?
no, i mean BEFORE she was put on the machine she just knew what zor-el had told her about the crystal (that it would help, etc.) he had wiped her memory, or repressed it, or whatever, so that she didn't remember that conversation. AFTER she remembered she apologized to clark about what her father did.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:39 PM

So, you agree that she knows that the crystal contains his mom's DNA?

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
So, you agree that she knows that the crystal contains his mom's DNA?
well, yeah. was that a controversy or something? if she remembers that her dad isn't "a god" then she remembers that lara's dna is in the crystal. it was all part of the same dream.... is this a trick question?;)

Bruce Knight

11-01-2007, 08:46 PM

you guys kara probably took it and hes hidding it

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 08:47 PM

No, it wasn't a trick question. I was just trying to figure out if you agreed with me because it sounded like you were saying that Kara only remembered that Zor-El tried to kill Jor-El and didn't remember the DNA.

jimmyolsenblues

11-01-2007, 09:02 PM

this is a very good twist having clark steal something, like being bad like lana. I liked evil bda.

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 09:04 PM

ok, i had to go back and read the posts about this. i think the whole point is: why would kara want the crystal when it has her aunt's dna on it? it shouldn't belong to her but to clark since it's more important to him, etc... MY point was that until she was in the freak-machine she didn't KNOW it had lara's dna. she just knew what we all heard zor-el tell her at the beginning of the episode: that the crystal would help her take care of kal-el. We all (including kara since her memory has been un-repressed) now know that the crystal contains lara's dna. what we don't know is what kara NOW feels about the crystal since that was never shown.

Mello Penelo

11-01-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by curiosity
DNA theft is theft. Lara's DNA was not Zor El's property.

I let my friend use my hairbrush. She's got some hairs left in it. Her DNA is in her hair. Is that theft?

Originally posted by curiosity
There's no flaming of posts on this website, it's against the rules, and, discussing yourself (your bumper sticker) is against the rules also. Just a friendly reminder.

Truly, you must be kidding. And obviously, you are mistaken.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
ok, i had to go back and read the posts about this. i think the whole point is: why would kara want the crystal when it has her aunt's dna on it? it shouldn't belong to her but to clark since it's more important to him, etc...

That's the very question I've been asking this whole time, yet no one wants to answer it. It has more meaning for Clark because there's a chance he could have his mother back (in whatever way the producers have it happen).

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 09:15 PM

and again, we don't know WHAT kara thinks about the crystal now. she may just be like "oooh gross, dna sample, you can have it clark!"

theotherJane

11-01-2007, 09:15 PM

^
Up until now, she didn't know that the crystal contained her aunt's DNA. She just knew it was important and to have it close by.

MidgardDragon

11-01-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Randy G.
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. That's the "Smallville twist" they spoke about.

Actually the (incredibly lame) "preview of a Smallville twist" was the 5 second clip before the Supernatural promo where someone is talking to Lex telling him the metal alloy inside some kind of kryptonite laced container is "alive" thus hinting at the return of Braniac.

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 09:23 PM

But now that she knows, you'd think she'd be willing to let Clark have it because he did grow up not knowing his real mother while Kara grew up with her own, making the crystal more important for him than for her.

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Actually the (incredibly lame) "preview of a Smallville twist" was the 5 second clip before the Supernatural promo where someone is talking to Lex telling him the metal alloy inside some kind of kryptonite laced container is "alive" thus hinting at the return of Braniac.

Yes, thank you. I had to remind him of that too :) It has to do with some online blog thing they're doing so that whoever participates can write about the sneak peek they saw.

MidgardDragon

11-01-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
But now that she knows, you'd think she'd be willing to let Clark have it because he did grow up not knowing his real mother while Kara grew up with her own, making the crystal more important for him than for her.

Yes, thank you. I had to remind him of that too :) It has to do with some online blog thing they're doing so that whoever participates can write about the sneak peek they saw.

:lol: If they want people to be able to write something they're gonna have to show more then 5 seconds. I was expecting something great, too. :(

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 09:26 PM

^^^ Yeah, besides we have Kryptonsite. The sneak peek was hardly a sneak peek since we've known he's coming back for awhile now.

Ilovebeinglost

11-01-2007, 09:30 PM

Are you guys sure this is Kara's crystal? I think it might be Clark's because it was hidden in the barn. He did have his own in the ship on his way to earth when his father was telling him all about earth.

I think Zor el put the DNA in that crystal before they sent Kal El off to earth it's just that Clark never knew that part till now.

"His science" is more than likely to send his daughter to earth and then make a clone of Lara so they can be one big happy family in the future.

Just guesing here

uhhuhhim

11-01-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
Are you guys sure this is Kara's crystal? I think it might be Clark's because it was hidden in the barn. He did have his own in the ship on his way to earth when his father was telling him all about earth.

I don't remember seeing a crystal in Pilot...

malft

11-01-2007, 09:45 PM

I have a lock of my Mothers' hair. Does that make me Kryptonian?

GottaLoveHotSuperHeros

11-01-2007, 10:16 PM

jazel

11-01-2007, 10:25 PM

creepy.....THIS is all TOO creepy !!!
where is Superman Canon when ya NEED it? LOL

Karafan

11-01-2007, 10:53 PM

Why would he have told Lana about it? Is he so blind for his love for her that he can't see she has changed?

Atomic girl

11-01-2007, 10:53 PM

My take is Kara wanted the crystal because it probably contains more than DNA. When it was being studied in the lab, they had several elements in there. Zor-el told her the crystal would help her. I believe the DNA is only a part of the contents.

LexLuv180

11-01-2007, 11:04 PM

Loved the cliffhanger, never saw it coming. Clark is obviously now obsessed with the idea about his mother, and who can blame him? From the spoilers for next week, looks like it will sadly get him in trouble.

Vergon6

11-01-2007, 11:07 PM

Yeah the real 'twist' which was not much of a twist was that 5 second scene of Lex and that guy, obviously hinting at Brainiac. It looks like we will actually see that in a later episode.

My guess is that the whole scene will be in Gemini, as part of something they are studying for project gemini. Then likely at the start of Persona, one of Lex's men will be studying it, and accidentally release Brainiac, who will then kill the guy-start opening credits ;). That's what I think at least.

Speaking of Clark and his mother, it's possible that after Blue, something will happen that precludes him from say trying to clone her, like the crystal being destroyed or only information, not the dna is recoverable or something like that somehow.

Mini Wolfsbane

11-01-2007, 11:49 PM

Clark was freakin' me out a bit there.
like "I have the crystal with her DNA! Muhahaha!! I shall clone my mother so I can meet her!"
...That was the vibe I was getting, at least. Crazy Clark.
Very wierd.

Wonder what'll happen now?

galatians221

11-01-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Mini Wolfsbane
Clark was freakin' me out a bit there.
like "I have the crystal with her DNA! Muhahaha!! I shall clone my mother so I can meet her!"
...That was the vibe I was getting, at least. Crazy Clark.
Very wierd.

Wonder what'll happen now?

wouldn't his mother come back as a baby? I mean the DNA doesn't make them adults does it? Clark doesn't want to be raising his mother on the farm.

Kriminal

11-02-2007, 12:31 AM

that was very unexpected, i was like wtf, why show lana? you should be showing kara. then acting very creepy when he mentioned his mother's DNA was in it.

curiosity

11-02-2007, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by galatians221
wouldn't his mother come back as a baby? I mean the DNA doesn't make them adults does it? Clark doesn't want to be raising his mother on the farm.

Clark isn't going to Clone his mom, I think he just wants to keep the crystal.

maryjanewatson

11-02-2007, 01:44 AM

that scene was weird. I dunno, it was just creepy feeling.

this seems like it's going to be a really stupid story line.

ginnyfan

11-02-2007, 01:48 AM

I wondered for a second, when it was gone, if Clark had it. When Kara and Clark were arguing... I wondered if Clark were going to tell her he had it...

I'm glad he got it rather than Lex.

Why is he hiding it under a floor board when he could take it to the fortress? I guess he doesn't want Jor-el to get it.

*shakes head*

Darren5000

11-02-2007, 02:35 AM

Oh my God, Clark stole Kara's things? That's terrible! Kara is going to be really mad now. Nobody ever steals a girl's personal item and lives. We may have seen the last of Clark now.:(

I just thought of something...think the Clark we're seeing might actually be the Bizarro Clark?

chantal

11-02-2007, 03:48 AM

Folks, there were two labs. The one with the crystal was the one in Granville (same one that had the ship, I think), and the other with Kara was in Virginia.

When Kara didn't find the crystal, she checked on Jimmy's computer to see who else had carded into the lab.

One of the people listed was from Luthorcorp. "As in Lex Luthor" Then she went to the mansion and x-rayed the bookcase. She was heading toward it when Carter got her.

Carter accused Lex of stealing something from him, presumably the crystal because what else would it be, but he didn't really care because Kara was more important.

Lex told Clark that Kara was at a lab in Virginia. Lex mentioned to Lionel that he knew Lionel went to DC.

It seems that a Luthorcorp employee got the crystal, but was it someone sent by Lex or Lionel? Did Kara see it behind the bookcase, or see a (lead) box maybe?

If it was Lionel, maybe he gave it to Clark. Or maybe even Lex gave it to Clark.

Or maybe Lionel gave Clark Luthorcorp ID to get into the lab, in which case Clark did steal it, and there was nothing behind the bookcase.

The weird thing was that Lionel said "I never would have told you about this place if I knew it was dangerous." Something like that. But it was Lex who told him that Kara was in Virginia, not Lionel. How did Lionel even find out, and fly there in time?

CallMeClark

11-02-2007, 04:42 AM

I agree. I never saw it coming either. I was like shocked.

SilverEye

11-02-2007, 05:46 AM

yeah that was wierd :S
maybe he will put it in the fortress so he can just speak to her? like the fortress has his father's memmories etc :S

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-02-2007, 05:57 AM

Clark Kent, Kryptonian Ninja !

I do like when the writers throw us a curve ball like that :)

skywalker28

11-02-2007, 06:02 AM

Believe it or not, I figured it out when Kara found out it was gone and Clark "conveniently" showed up at the nightclub right after. Still though, nice little twist.

friday

11-02-2007, 07:13 AM

Is Clark evil now that he stole Kara's crystal and is hiding it from her? :lol:

Kara must also be evil because she stole that guys wallet from him at the club. :lol:

Lana's embezzeled ten million dollars from Lex and she's crucified as being evil.

It doesn't matter if the amount that Lana stole was bigger. From a moral point of view, it doesn't matter that the amount that Lana stole was bigger. All three stole and that makes their act equal. :D

TheANIMAL (marcus)

11-02-2007, 07:18 AM

Blakdy blah... spoiler..... Clark is going to relaise when he activates the crystal that Zor-EL had an elaborate plan all along. The clone of Lara will give Clark a blue ring which Cark puts on and has his powers temporarily moved (again). Then Zor_El comes out from somewhere, and cloned Lara and Zor-EL try to take over the world.

JudasAce

11-02-2007, 07:20 AM

Clark is the new Magnificent Bastard!

Super Maverick

11-02-2007, 07:45 AM

oh snap!

don't trust lana, clark! stupid!!

Kriminal

11-02-2007, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Darren5000
Oh my God, Clark stole Kara's things? That's terrible! Kara is going to be really mad now. Nobody ever steals a girl's personal item and lives. We may have seen the last of Clark now.:(

I just thought of something...think the Clark we're seeing might actually be the Bizarro Clark?

if it was bizarro he would of killed lana because clark loves lana so much that means he hates her that much.

Super Maverick

11-02-2007, 07:50 AM

who thinks lana might be a clone? and the real lana is dead?

nightshadz

11-02-2007, 07:50 AM

We haven't seen Lara in the FoS yet. I'm thinking the crystal with Lara's DNA is what will activate her spirit in the FoS.

We've seen Lara in the FoS in the movies, but not yet in Smallville.

I also think Lionel was a crucial factor in how the crystal ended up in Clark's possession.

Guidron

11-02-2007, 08:15 AM

It was a pretty good twist. I wasn't really expecting that one, but looking back I should have.

Although, it's got me wondering what's going on with Clark. From the dialog earlier in the episode it has me wondering if Kara knows he has it or not. Not to mention why are they making Clark be all sneaky?

RedKalEL

11-02-2007, 08:18 AM

i don't thuink he is hiding it from kara i think he jsut wantwed to tell lana first and then eventually weill tell kara hopefully.... next episode

margroks

11-02-2007, 09:00 AM

No, it's KARA'S crystal NOT his and he has no right to have it, keep it from Kara and certainly had no business showing it to Nasty Lana. That whole scene made no sense since we saw no lead-in to how he got it or when and his "I want to share everythign with you" speech to Lana was not only nauseating but very strange. It made no sense unless the Clark we saw wasn't really Clark. Otherwise, he's even more of an idiot than he has been lately. Something here is not as it seems. Are we sure that was even really Calrk since he was acting very...bizarre... And are we sure it is really Kara's crystal?

Plus why clone your bio-mom? It wouldn;t be her since a clone would lack the upbringing that made the real Lara who she was. And for that matter, why would Kryptonians be able to come to earth yet not be able to use a "portal" to escape the destruction of their world? Also, sending your loved ones into the PZ would make sure they were preserved whole instead of only DNA which is not the same thing as the person. That whole idea is crazy and makes no sense.

Ilovebeinglost

11-02-2007, 09:41 AM

is it just me or are they skipping a lot of info this season? It's like the writers have no idea what the others have written before them

All about Clark

11-02-2007, 10:10 AM

^Haa, I just think you like being lost.

Anyways, Clark didn't show it to Kara because of the warning he got from MM. MM clearly stated that everything Clark holds dear could be lost if she got the crystal. I think he had to do it, now knowing that Zor-el was evil and had a lot of power over Kara, not to mention his science.

Dor el

11-02-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It doesn't matter. Jor-El told Clark to take something that doesn't belong to him. That's bad parenting, which should be out of character for what people are calling this "new Jor-El."

Jor-El was screwed up from the start. The crystal is Kara's, regardless of Jor-El telling Clark to take it or not. It's theft.

I think I don't agree. If a known or suspected enemy had a nuclear bomb and our intelligence tells us that the guys with the bomb are gonna use it to do bad things, then I believe that we would take it; even though it belongs to the bad guys. Jorel told Clark not to trust Kara and that it was important for him to retrieve the crystal (MM may had warned Clark about this on Jorel's behalf). It seems reasonable, to me, to assume that the crystal might be a dangerous element. Therefore, until Clark figures out what the crystal is all about, I think he was right to take it and keep it safe, and out of the hands of someone who may use it to do bad.

Ilovebeinglost

11-02-2007, 11:23 AM

I watched it again. It's kind of up in the air as to who took the crystal isn't it?

theWatcher

11-02-2007, 11:26 AM

What a twist, it just blew me away! I just love little twist like this.

margroks

11-02-2007, 11:42 AM

I don;t think there's any question Kara is unaware Clark, if it is Clark, has the crystal. I think it could actually be Bizarro or even Fine pretending to be Clark.

All about Clark

11-02-2007, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
I watched it again. It's kind of up in the air as to who took the crystal isn't it?

No it isn't. Clark got all the info he needed from Lionel to go get the crystal and did so right after Lex confronted the agent and before Kara made her trip. Which is why Clark wanted to stop Kara before she got hurt.

Poweranimals

11-02-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by skylar
How in the HELL did clark get the crystal? My be when Lana told him that Kara was in D.C he saw the crystal there before he saved her! That's exactly what happened. I had to backtrack after realizing he had the crystal, because it confused me at first too. When Kara goes to steal the crystal, it's already gone. The agent assumes Lex took it, but we find out at the end that Clark got to it before Kara.

Minela

11-02-2007, 12:51 PM

I can't believe he is hiding the crystal from Kara. Esspecially after that heartwarming speach. It kind of reminded me of Ma Kent hiding the krypto key in the flour way back when. But the first thing I thought of when Clark showed Lana the box was...oh God no he is going to give her the soulmate bracelet...than I exhailed when I saw the crystal...than when he said DNA I thought this will not sit well with Lana since she must be seriously against cloning.

supergirl28

11-02-2007, 12:57 PM

Clark having the crystl was so unexpectedm and the frist perdn to know of coase was the miss. Lang, but. If Clark can tell Lana everything, than why can she. Anyway not going off topic, how did Clark get the crystal with green K every where

Joelito

11-02-2007, 01:01 PM

Can this plot be link it to the blue ring?

All about Clark

11-02-2007, 01:22 PM

There wasn't any greenK when they were studying the crystal, that came later when the agent wanted to pull info from Kara using Summerholt technology.

Originally posted by Joelito
Can this plot be link it to the blue ring?

Absolutely.

supergirl945

11-02-2007, 02:15 PM

Well, i was definately NOT expecting THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveS

11-02-2007, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by margroks
No, it's KARA'S crystal NOT his and he has no right to have it, keep it from Kara and certainly had no business showing it to Nasty Lana. That whole scene made no sense since we saw no lead-in to how he got it or when and his "I want to share everythign with you" speech to Lana was not only nauseating but very strange. It made no sense unless the Clark we saw wasn't really Clark. Otherwise, he's even more of an idiot than he has been lately. Something here is not as it seems. Are we sure that was even really Calrk since he was acting very...bizarre... And are we sure it is really Kara's crystal?

Plus why clone your bio-mom? It wouldn;t be her since a clone would lack the upbringing that made the real Lara who she was. And for that matter, why would Kryptonians be able to come to earth yet not be able to use a "portal" to escape the destruction of their world? Also, sending your loved ones into the PZ would make sure they were preserved whole instead of only DNA which is not the same thing as the person. That whole idea is crazy and makes no sense.

Margroks has it right once again. By cloning, all ClarkMan has is the body, the personality has not been molded by the same factors that made the mother that he never met and that is why cloning can never replace a loved one, it just gives you the same type body.

Dor el

11-02-2007, 08:42 PM

Who said Clark was gonna clone his mom? I didn't hear that. Maybe, like some people keep locks of hair from loved ones, Clark just wants to keep something very personal that belonged to his mom. Can't think of anything more personal that one's DNA. Let's not make Clark to be a pervert.

clarkbunny

11-02-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It's her crystal. Clark used his to make his house.

Yeah maybe Kara can use her crystal to make a car :lol:

Clark: *looks at the fortress of solitude in disdain* Man that's what I wanted, that is so much cooler. Lame ass Jor-El, who want's a house in the Antarctic ANYWAY!

I'll have to watch the episode again but from what I saw I didn't really get how Clark would have known where the crystal was to steal it before Kara got there. It seemed like he only found out about the labs when Kara had already been there to look and it was missing. Unless maybe Lionel took it and gave it to him. :confused:

Definitely made the Clark-Kara talk seem very shallow/hollow - that Clark could say he trusts Kara now or something to that effect when he has her crystal and hasn't even told her. Although I get why with Jor-El and MM's warnings but he shouldn't be making out like he is past those warnings with Kara - makes him seem sneaky.

jessestuber

11-02-2007, 09:26 PM

well he cloned lois or hasnt yet.

we all know its something superman would do.

Theshadow129x

11-02-2007, 10:36 PM

superman wouldnt clone someone its out of character and just morally wrong

limi

11-03-2007, 03:47 AM

I still don't understand why Clark is hiding it. Seeing as the only thing it contains is a few strand of alien DNA, it isn't exactly dangerous. Why not just give it back to Kara? Keeping it secret would only make things worse when Kara finds out (which is sure to happen...)

Theshadow129x - Superman would, and did (in the comics) clone a person - lois.

Mello Penelo

11-03-2007, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
superman wouldnt clone someone its out of character and just morally wrong

Clark cloned Lois in DC One Million. But she had been dead over 10,000 years.

ginnyfan

11-03-2007, 06:53 AM

Well... if Krypton is light years away...

TampaVille

11-03-2007, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
superman wouldnt clone someone its out of character and just morally wrong

Regarding out of character: Supes does it in the comics
Regarding morally wrong: Huh? Explain.

Randy G.

11-03-2007, 07:44 AM

[Mod Note:] There's already a thread on the crystal, so I'm merging this into it.

chantal

11-03-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by limi
I still don't understand why Clark is hiding it. Seeing as the only thing it contains is a few strand of alien DNA, it isn't exactly dangerous. Why not just give it back to Kara? Keeping it secret would only make things worse when Kara finds out (which is sure to happen...)

It also contains all the knowledge Zor El wanted Kara to have when she got to earth. That's why Jor El wanted Clark to get hold of it before Kara gets the info, as Jor El thinks Zor El is a threat to Clark.

I don't know how this Kyrptonian downloading knowledge into the brain is supposed to work. Could it make Kara follow Zor El's instructions even if she now feels they are wrong? Would she be, in effect, programmed to follow a certain plan?

I guess we are supposed to assume that Lionel, through the Luthorcorp subsidiary that has a Defense Dept. contract, provided Clark with credentials to get into the lab, where he stole the crystal. Since Clark always acts more like the bull in the china shop, rather than with finesse, I didn't catch on to that possibility.

TampaVille

11-03-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by chantal
I guess we are supposed to assume that Lionel, through the Luthorcorp subsidiary that has a Defense Dept. contract, provided Clark with credentials to get into the lab, where he stole the crystal. Since Clark always acts more like the bull in the china shop, rather than with finesse, I didn't catch on to that possibility.

That's an interesting possibility. I had assumed that Clark had managed a way into the lab on his own. I was impressed at what I took to be the implication of KARA now being the bull in the china shop (nice image btw), whereas Clark has grown past that stage (feels like we're talking about a 3 year old, heh). I hadn't thought to look at it your way. I don't see that the two opinions are mutually exclusive though. It's just a matter of how much credit we think we can give Clark at this point.

tjpw fanatic

11-04-2007, 07:56 AM

I was soo confused when he pulled that out. I looked at my mom and started yelling "when the hell did he get that?!?!" seriously though, how would he have gotten it? Kara had to break that case to try and get to it, wouldn't clark have had to do the same thing? and then wouldn't it have already been broken?

clarkbunny

11-04-2007, 10:43 AM

Kara didn't have to break the case to get to the crystal she was just being impatient - like when she forced open the lift doors.

I wouldn't put it past Clark to have swiped the crystal on his own, he has done the same thing before like when he stole the vial of his blood from Luthorcorp - lbeit he was Kal-el then. But he did steal the doctor's laptop in an episode in Season 6 - the one where Chloe found she was meteor infected. He blew a nurse's papers all over the place with his super breath and in the resulting flurry swiped the doctor's laptop super sped out of the room and stashed the laptop somewhere safe and super sped back. The doctor turned round and saw his laptop was gone and asked Clark where it was, Clark held out his empty hands and opened his jacket to show he hadn't got it then walked out the room retrieved the laptop fom where he hid it and walked out the hospital - clever boy!

So it is within his capacity to have stolen the crystal unaided by Lionel. Clark is much more clever than people give him credit for - the writers just don't give him a whole lot of material to show that.

Crusader

11-04-2007, 11:15 AM

What I don't get is why he doesn't share it with Kara. After those speeches he gave such as "Kara you're my cousin and I care about you", "I'm happy I'm in your life" etc etc.
But then again he might want it more for the reason to clone his mother than to give it to Kara for some other purpose I don't know.
Regardless this should make should make for one awesome plot!

clarkbunny

11-04-2007, 12:37 PM

Well I guess cloning aside, Clark has never met his parents and to be told the crystal contains his mother's dna I guess it makes it something he would want to hold on to and treasure as a link to her.

Welling_is_pretty

11-04-2007, 01:03 PM

I screamed in shock when he opend the box and there was the crystal! He totally stole it from DoDS!

And yeah, I figured that he was much more stealthylikeninja than Kara was in order to get it. He must have learned a thing or two from Ollie. :lol:

As for him taking it--remember he didn't know that his mother's DNA strands were in it until AFTER he took the crystal (he saw that in the flashback and that was AFTER Kara broke in and the crystal was gone. Assuming Clark didn't steal it from Lex...) so....

I prefer to think that Clark took it so that Kara would not do this naughty thing of breaking into the government lab and stealing it herself. I prefer to think he had a good reason (since hello? Superman here!) for it.

But after that, after he finds out....Well, let's say I hope that he's just keeping it out of sentimental value and intends to give it to Kara soon. Cause otherwise? OOC, AlandMiles. OOC.

TampaVille

11-04-2007, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Welling_is_pretty
I prefer to think that Clark took it so that Kara would not do this naughty thing of breaking into the government lab and stealing it herself. I prefer to think he had a good reason (since hello? Superman here!) for it.

But after that, after he finds out....Well, let's say I hope that he's just keeping it out of sentimental value and intends to give it to Kara soon. Cause otherwise? OOC, AlandMiles. OOC.

No need to fret WiP (forgive me for the acronym if you find it unpleasant;)), there are plenty of good in character reasons for CK to have stolen it. Jor-el and MM both have warned CK about Kara. Granted, he now has some strong evidence that she was misguided, but he still knows that she is rash and unpredictable. And disregarding Jor-el's warnings in the past have gone poorly for him. So it's pretty easy to look at his having taken the crystal and keeping it temporarily secret a matter of prudence.

Heck, his folks didn't tell him he was an alien and show him his spaceship until he was 16. They wanted to wait to connect him to his biological heritage in that way until they thought he was ready. We could pretty easily see this as something similar. It's his equivalent of hiding a spaceship in the storm cellar. Perhaps he's merely waiting until Kara is ready to show her/share with her the crystal.

umm

11-04-2007, 04:04 PM

There is no defence for him having that crystal and not tell Kara! Granted the crystal contains the DNA of his mother, and should one hairsplit he has more right to own it than Kara, but he still should have told her he has it! Bad, bad Clark!

TampaVille

11-05-2007, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by umm
There is no defence for him having that crystal and not tell Kara! Granted the crystal contains the DNA of his mother, and should one hairsplit he has more right to own it than Kara, but he still should have told her he has it! Bad, bad Clark!

Again, Jor-el and MM have both warned him about Kara. Even if he now has evidence to suggest that their fears are unfounded, he's just being prudent. Considering all the heat he's taken over the years for rushing into situations unprepared, one could call this an improvement, not a point for chastising him.

All about Clark

11-05-2007, 01:41 PM

Being that Kara acts without thinking, it was the right decision by Clark to concele this from her. And just because Kara cares about Clark, doesn't mean that Zor-el does, and Zor-el could use/manipulate Kara against Clark without Clark and Kara's knowlege.