Mistakes/Inconsistencies & Plotholes in Lara [Archive]

lana kent 04

11-01-2007, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
What I found to be a huge plothole is Kara learning how to encrypt IP addresses to make them untraceable to the most advanced government technology. Being Kryptonian doesn't mean you can acquire skills out of thin air. Clark has been on Earth for all that time and can't do that. And I seriously doubt the technology on Krypton is anywhere similar to Earth's where she would know how to use computer languages made by humans to hide the IP address. This was another lazy writer's moment. They could have easily had that scene somewhere else other than the DP.

i thought the same thing! i know technology was advanced on krypton, but seriously? they expect us to buy that?

Lord Raiden

11-01-2007, 07:10 PM

The Kents don't buy new frames for their photographs.

Ginx

11-01-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
The Kents left their oven on while they were at church!
Irresponsible..

lol.... it's the country. Lots of people leave ovens on or crockpots going while they step out. Then when they come back dinner is done.

mistake?......CK should have told Kara about the crystal - she needs to know more than Lana does and it means more that they stick together - they are all the family they have.

Super-cpr - in Kara's weakened state that hit would have done a lot of damage or even gone right through her chest.

How did that picture of Lara survive the meteor shower? I mean - I'm happy that CK has a pic of his mom but still... super picture frame?

Originally posted by lana kent 04
i thought the same thing! i know technology was advanced on krypton, but seriously? they expect us to buy that?

I think Jimmy tried to clear that up but it didn't take. He said something along the lines of Kara starting with just basics last time and now is onto full on hacking..... something along those lines - like she's a fast learner or something. But still - it's really hard to believe.... I get that Kryptonians are advanced but still - there is a difference in our low tech and their reg technology.

krewsaider

11-01-2007, 07:22 PM

What I want to know is why wasn't Chloe shocked that Lana was alive? She never told her but the show makes it seems that the whole "Oh I faked my death" conversation happened. WTF?

PHOENIXZERO

11-01-2007, 07:23 PM

Their TV......

And yeah apparently they have the same frames for 20 years and don't do anything with them and somehow after all these years that frame is still intact even though that house was destroyed. >_>

xrayvision

11-01-2007, 07:23 PM

How did Lara & Kara get to Earth so fast? If it takes 3 years to get back to Krypton, then wouldn't Clark have been born in the ship while in transit from Earth to Krypton? And if these portals allow instantaneous travel, then why didn't Kara & Clark and everyone else use them to leave Krypton? Were they non-functional at that time?

Jor-El in Relic said he was waiting for his friends to show up. That didn't seem like any portals existed.

I think they should have avoided mentioning these portals and have Lara & Kara on Earth when Kara was like 11 years old.

NoSupeForYou

11-01-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
The Kents don't buy new frames for their photographs.

had to spend all their money on a new door.

PHOENIXZERO

11-01-2007, 07:35 PM

The portals were destroyed in the civil war to stop Zod from getting off the planet.

Saber

11-01-2007, 07:59 PM

There was a picture of Martha but not of Jonathan. That was such a sad detail to leave out, IMO an inconsistency. :\

faz

11-01-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
What I found to be a huge plothole is Kara learning how to encrypt IP addresses to make them untraceable to the most advanced government technology. Being Kryptonian doesn't mean you can acquire skills out of thin air. Clark has been on Earth for all that time and can't do that. And I seriously doubt the technology on Krypton is anywhere similar to Earth's where she would know how to use computer languages made by humans to hide the IP address. This was another lazy writer's moment. They could have easily had that scene somewhere else other than the DP.

How many times do we have to explain this? Clark is a BDA, he can't do anything on his own, it's totally unfair to Kara to lump her in with Clark.:p

krypt0man

11-01-2007, 09:21 PM

On Kara's adeptitude with technology and learning - Kara probably has a little more kyptonian "training" under her belt than Clark. Plus - she's embraced her destiny more than he has... etc. Embraced Kryptonian Destiny = flight and access to all the other Kryptonian Easter eggs.

Kii

11-01-2007, 09:49 PM

I laughed my ass off when Clark busted into the room with Agent Carter and Kara, more than likely sees bags of liquid Kryptonite and proceeds to walk inside. DURRRRRRRRRR

NoSupeForYou

11-01-2007, 09:55 PM

How about the fact that agent Carter managed to overcome Lex's security when his is even worse.

Kii

11-01-2007, 09:57 PM

Security, what's that?

CeeJ

11-01-2007, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
The Kents don't buy new frames for their photographs.
who does?

the biggest ???? I saw was when lana was able to "rewind" and see what had happened in lex's mansion while the feed was disabled.

red_cape_7

11-01-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by krewsaider
What I want to know is why wasn't Chloe shocked that Lana was alive? She never told her but the show makes it seems that the whole "Oh I faked my death" conversation happened. WTF?

they had that scene in a previous episode, but unfortunately it got cut

xrayvision

11-01-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by CeeJ
who does?

the biggest ???? I saw was when lana was able to "rewind" and see what had happened in lex's mansion while the feed was disabled.

I thought the same thing. You can't rewind something that was never recorded. I actually started laughing in that scene where her cameras went down because I thought we would see Lex's face popping up on the monitors telling Lana how he has some kind of gas pouring into the HVAC system of the building.

chantal

11-01-2007, 10:23 PM

The Kent house was severly damaged by the meteors (as was Jason!) but I never got the impression that absolutely all of their posessions were destroyed. After Jonathan died, how could they have had the video of Jonathan, among other things?

In the pictures of Lara in the house, you can see a picture of Jonathan on the piano in the background.

NoSupeForYou

11-01-2007, 10:24 PM

Lex and Carter must buy all their stuff from the same magazine. Lana, on the other hand, seems to have found some competent goons (except for the pothead). Lex's security doesn't even wonder where the extra cables and cameras came from.

chantal

11-02-2007, 05:43 AM

When Lionel was rescuing Clark from Carter, he said, "Sorry, Clark, I'd never told you about this place if I'd known how dangerous it was."

But it was Lex who told Clark about the lab in Virginia. Lionel only talked about the place in Granville.

Saber

11-02-2007, 06:15 AM

If Kara and Clark are drawn to red/ blue colors, how come Lara, Zor-El and Kara were not donning a hint of those colors on Krypton?

FoxHoundito

11-02-2007, 06:17 AM

I think this is somehow a mistake:

In 7x02, Clark told Kara that Krypton had exploded... and she was really surprised, like she wasn't expecting such thing to have happened... yet this episode Kara was remembering when Zor-El was sending her to earth when Krypton was going supernova! So she should have known something bad was going to happen... therefore she kind of already knew her planet was about to explode... but then it seemed like she never had a clue!

JudasAce

11-02-2007, 07:30 AM

I think by now, Clark would have learned that when he sees a bunch of green glowy stuff to NOT WALK TOWARDS IT!

ScottM1956

11-02-2007, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by FoxHoundito
I think this is somehow a mistake:

In 7x02, Clark told Kara that Krypton had exploded... and she was really surprised, like she wasn't expecting such thing to have happened... yet this episode Kara was remembering when Zor-El was sending her to earth when Krypton was going supernova! So she should have known something bad was going to happen... therefore she kind of already knew her planet was about to explode... but then it seemed like she never had a clue!

I don't think Kara knew about the Rao (Kryptonian sun) going supernova. I think this type of knowledge was CLASSIFIRD ONLY to the military and Kryptonian Council after Jor-El told them what was happening to the their sun and to the planet's core.

skywalker28

11-02-2007, 09:26 AM

In Season 5, Jor-El told Clark that Brainiac wouldn't stop until his master (Zod) was released.

In this episode, Lara told Kara that Jor-El created Brainiac to help stop the war.

Wouldn't that make Jor-El the master of Brainiac?

ronmanb77

11-02-2007, 09:37 AM

As for kara remembering or not about the sun going nova, Zor-el used the crystal on his own daughter, and said she'd remember nothing of this trip. They used the ol' wipe out the memory trick.

And Brainiac is simply a computer driven robot. He was likely reprogrammed by Zod, or one of his minions, at the source of his power/programming, the ship.

margroks

11-02-2007, 11:26 AM

They allowed the Lana reveal to Chloe, a very important moment IMO, to happen in Offscreenville. It was a total rip but they had to cut some important things to make room for more nauseating Clana, after all.

If we are to believe the memory Kara and Clark relived, Zor-El wiped out that memory which made pretty clear Zor-El knew Krypton was doomed and soon. THere were many thngs about this ep that bothered me, not the least of which was Clark taking and hiding Kara's crystal but showing it to Lana, who can't keep a secret to save her life anyway while mouthing off with I want to share everything with you, a stupid idea as well as a dumb line. I still have my doubts as to whether that was really Clark since the scene and the premise and the dialogue were so oddly off.

FiReFTW

11-02-2007, 12:03 PM

IT REALLY REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT CLARK ALWAYS WALKS STRAIGHT INTO A ROOM FULL OF KRYPTONITE , IS HE REALLY THAT DUMB???

juicey1

11-02-2007, 12:17 PM

The picture of Clarks Mom Lara was behind the picture of Martha by herself, but when Kara and Clark are looking at the Frame with the picture of Martha and then Clark picks it up and opens it the Picture is of Jonathan and Martha not the Original picture of Martha by herself. So somewhere in a millisecond the picture of Lara got stuffed behind a different one.

smallvillefreak24

11-02-2007, 02:55 PM

Is the evil dude dead? If yes, Clark directly killed him. If no, then there is something horribly wrong because that guy was well, evil. Will they even address the guy again?

PHOENIXZERO

11-02-2007, 03:08 PM

Did they say their sun went super nova? O_o

I thought they went with just Krypton exploding and left their sun out of it.

bobowayney

11-02-2007, 03:22 PM

ok back in 'Memoria" when Clark had his earliest memory, he remembered Lara placing him in the rocket and worrying if someone would love him, and last nigh's flashback showed her approving of Martha Kent and re-assured Kara that the Kents would be a good and loving family, unless Zor-El wiped HER memory, how did Lara forget this ?

NoSupeForYou

11-02-2007, 03:32 PM

Better yet, Lara was already pregnant with him when she came, so wouldn't that have had some kind of effect on him. Technically he was on Earth before he arrived to the Kents even though she wasn't that far along.

bobsuncorp

11-02-2007, 04:03 PM

When did they put an Earth style clothing shop on Krypton? Kara, Zor-El and Lara (kind of) were all wearing "normal" clothes.

Humdinger

11-02-2007, 06:36 PM

I wouldn't wipe my cat's ass with the clothes they put on Kara.

xrayvision

11-02-2007, 06:39 PM

Dodge006

11-02-2007, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
What I found to be a huge plothole is Kara learning how to encrypt IP addresses to make them untraceable to the most advanced government technology. Being Kryptonian doesn't mean you can acquire skills out of thin air. Clark has been on Earth for all that time and can't do that. And I seriously doubt the technology on Krypton is anywhere similar to Earth's where she would know how to use computer languages made by humans to hide the IP address. This was another lazy writer's moment. They could have easily had that scene somewhere else other than the DP.

We do know that Kryptonian computer tech can interfere and is compatible with ours...so easy to say that part of Kara's training on the way to earth was her hacking ability.

msleggie

11-02-2007, 06:44 PM

Posted by bobowayney: ok back in 'Memoria" when Clark had his earliest memory, he remembered Lara placing him in the rocket and worrying if someone would love him, and last nigh's flashback showed her approving of Martha Kent and re-assured Kara that the Kents would be a good and loving family, unless Zor-El wiped HER memory, how did Lara forget this ?

I don't think she forgot, I think she was just worrying about sending her baby away for someone else to raise, of course she was going to worry if someone else could love her baby as much as she did.

Posted by FiReFTW: IT REALLY REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT CLARK ALWAYS WALKS STRAIGHT INTO A ROOM FULL OF KRYPTONITE , IS HE REALLY THAT DUMB???

I was thinking the same thing when I saw him do it, but when I thought about it some more, I think he wasn't thinking about hurting himself, I think he was just thinking about saving Kara. Like when he was bothered by the kryptonite but still pushed through it to get those wires or IV's whatever was in Kara's arms.

xrayvision

11-02-2007, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Dodge006
We do know that Kryptonian computer tech can interfere and is compatible with ours...so easy to say that part of Kara's training on the way to earth was her hacking ability.

But where was that revealed in the show? Kara didn't have any device from Krypton to help her. If that was true, then why did she need Jimmy's help in enhancing/restoring that photo of her ship? I would think that doing that is far easier than hacking computer languages from Earth.

borednow

11-02-2007, 07:02 PM

Planes aren't allowed over the Capital...

jaydee85

11-02-2007, 08:12 PM

Lionel makes Lana marry Lex and Clark now hugs him? Please...

FoxHoundito

11-02-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by ScottM1956
I don't think Kara knew about the Rao (Kryptonian sun) going supernova. I think this type of knowledge was CLASSIFIRD ONLY to the military and Kryptonian Council after Jor-El told them what was happening to the their sun and to the planet's core.

Originally posted by ronmanb77
As for kara remembering or not about the sun going nova, Zor-el used the crystal on his own daughter, and said she'd remember nothing of this trip. They used the ol' wipe out the memory trick.

How come you say Kara didn't remember? The scene where Zor-El is sending her to Earth was in fact what she was remembering when flying over Washington D.C.

Zor-El used the crystal on her some months earliear, so she didn't remember (until the kryptonite treatment) what had happened that specific day at the Kent's house (so she didn't remember it either the first day she arrived.)

So, going back to the scene in Krypton, how come she didn't at leas feel that something apocalyptic was going on on the planet or in the solar system? I mean we saw how the earth was shaking and everything was falling appart... how come she didn't know or sense that something really bad was going to happen?

Then, when she met Clark for the first time and he told her about Krypton's fate, she should have sounded less surprised and should have at least expressed something related to the doomsday she had almost lived. She didn't leave her planet when everything was ok, so then we could say she could have not known, but the truth is she left when it was about to explode! She arrived with the first meteor shower as Clark did! (although she was "suspended" in time.)

clarkbunny

11-02-2007, 10:39 PM

Whose memories was Clark seeing? It seemed like he was seeing Kara's memories but it seemed like Kara herself didn't actualy see what he saw - i.e., Lara's DNA in the crystal - how is that possible?

Twitch

11-02-2007, 10:48 PM

FoxHoundito

11-03-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
Whose memories was Clark seeing? It seemed like he was seeing Kara's memories but it seemed like Kara herself didn't actualy see what he saw - i.e., Lara's DNA in the crystal - how is that possible?

I don't think so. It was clear that those were Kara's memories, and that she perfectly saw them too!

That's how she remembered that there was a picture of Lara beneath Martha's (or M&J's) photo frame. Of course, that part was only seen by Kara, but then when Clark "plugged in" he saw the final part when Zor-El mentioned Lara's DNA being in the crystal and all of the rest.

After the ordeal, Kara herself admitted that her father wasn't as good and straight as she had remembered him, meaning that she perfectly saw those lost memories! HER memories =) (memories that Zor-El locked up in Kara's brain, not allowing her access to them, because apparently they weren't erased at all by the crystal.)

The fact that Kara didn't mention Lara's DNA being inside the crystal doesn't mean she didn't see it, or that those weren't her memories... the show just wouldn't have three scenes repeating the same facts. They just showed Clark exposing such info. to Lana... that's all!

Don't get too twisted! hahaha

Shlamaz-El

11-03-2007, 09:27 AM

Here are the things that really annoy me about this episode

1-Clark and Lionel hugging (ok what putz decided to put that bit into the episode)

2-Kara AND Clark are in D.C. and do either of them go to think to visit Clark's Mom who is a senator there.

3-The total CUT of the resolution of Lana and Chloe after Chloe thinks Lana is dead.

4-How did Jimmy and Kara get so close - this was also a peeve from the last episode - they see each other at a beauty pagent - ARE NEVER ACTUALLY INTRODUCED - and now they are best friends (and maybe more) - again PUTZY writing/directing.

5-The PORTALS are fricking annoying - can't explain why - they just seem like a cop-out writing device.

6-Why did Clark lie to Lionel about Kara being from his "ADOPTED fathers" side" when its OBVIOUS that she is not from all the information Lionel already has about her?

I have an idea - why don't they recruit me as, THE REAL CLARK KENT - Tom Welling was actually my CLONE, who thought he was me but now learns he is the clone - and I thought I was the clone of Clark Kent, but now realize I am the real deal. - Wait they did that already in the Spiderman Clone Wars, and it was a disaster, though the writing/directing this season is starting to become a close second.

Shlamaz-El - The Kryptonian Yid

clarkbunny

11-03-2007, 09:46 AM

^
I have come to the sad realisation that this season I am just going to have to forget about storylines making sense, having some continuity, characters acting in character/rationally.

I'm not sure how easy that's going to be but from now on I will try and take it as it rolls - maybe i'll enjoy it.

So if the script writers decide to reveal next week that Lana is also from Krypton and is the Martian Manhunter's ex-girlfriend and Lex's model 503 was actually a Lana sex bot from Mars - where this is the no. 1 selling sex bot - I shall not be dismayed by the change in storyline and departure from Smallville reality - I shall embrace the change 'cos change is good *rocks gently in a corner repeating 'change is good'*.

I say Al-Miles do your worst bring it on. Kara becomes a red kryptonite laced pole dancer at the Talon cafe bring it on.

Lex marries Martha Kent and rubs it in Lionel's face, bring it on.

Zor-el is actually the Kent's next door neighbour and has been living with Lara on their farm next to the Kents' all these years - bring it on.

General Zod is going to appear on Oprah with Namek in a special show called 'Kryptonians are so misunderstood' bring it on.

Kara admits that she actually created the internet and can manipulate it just with the power of her mind - bring it on.

ScottM1956

11-03-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Shlamaz-El
5-The PORTALS are fricking annoying - can't explain why - they just seem like a cop-out writing device.

This is why the Tranporters in the world of Star Trek was invented. Speed of the story.

clarkbunny

11-03-2007, 10:34 AM

^
Yeah but at least Star Trek is consistent in their methods of transport - they've had teleportation as a staple method of transport from the get go, it didn't just appear randomly in one episode to aid the plot of people getting somewhere quicker than by the normal established modes of transport and then disappear never to be heard of again

Actually lets not mention Star Trek and Smallville in the same sentence again - the class of writing on Star Trek is in a whole different league to Smallville - light years ahead so to speak (pun intended) :p

PHOENIXZERO

11-03-2007, 11:59 AM

If I remember correctly (which I probably don't) a portal linking Smallville and Krypton was establish back in season three with Relic. If not then there's either the season four finale or maybe it was the season five premiere were Clark was teleported from the caves to the North Pole.

limi

11-03-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by bobowayney
ok back in 'Memoria" when Clark had his earliest memory, he remembered Lara placing him in the rocket and worrying if someone would love him, and last nigh's flashback showed her approving of Martha Kent and re-assured Kara that the Kents would be a good and loving family, unless Zor-El wiped HER memory, how did Lara forget this ?
Lara had never met the Kents, and had only her husband's word that they were a worthy family. It's not surprising she'd be worried about putting the fate of her only child in their hands.
edit - Jor-El never even met Jonathan and Martha, only Jonathan's parents. How could they know Jonathan would be like his father?

About Kara's hacking skills - with her speed she could easily have read everything about hacking within a few minutes, so it's not impossible.

About Kara being suprised when hearing about Krypton's fate - maybe she was in denial.

The things that bothered me most were Kara's memories. First, it makes no sense for Kryptonians to speak English among themselves, especially when still on Krypton. They should've had them speak some made up language and have subtitles or something. And second, Kara told Zor-El that the journey to earth takes three YEARS. A year, by definiton, is the time it takes EARTH to circle OUR sun once. Why would a Kryptonian use or even know such a measure?

clarkbunny

11-03-2007, 12:40 PM

^
Hacking isn't something you read about in a book - for a start it is illegal.

I would imagine it's something you get better at with practice, experience and research on the internet.

Kara could not learn to be a super hacker from a book. I put this down to just poor script writing and convenience.

FoxHoundito

11-03-2007, 12:55 PM

The things that bothered me most were Kara's memories. First, it makes no sense for Kryptonians to speak English among themselves, especially when still on Krypton. They should've had them speak some made up language and have subtitles or something. And second, Kara told Zor-El that the journey to earth takes three YEARS. A year, by definiton, is the time it takes EARTH to circle OUR sun once. Why would a Kryptonian use or even know such a measure? [/B]

18 Kryptonian years = 25 earth years. In other words, a Kryptonian year is 1.38 of an Earth year.
(quoted from http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=129344, post by JulianPerez)

There was another portal, linking the Phantom Zone with the Earth (when Clark and the phantoms escape in Season 6 premiere)

TheSupaMan

11-03-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by limi

The things that bothered me most were Kara's memories. First, it makes no sense for Kryptonians to speak English among themselves, especially when still on Krypton. They should've had them speak some made up language and have subtitles or something. And second, Kara told Zor-El that the journey to earth takes three YEARS. A year, by definiton, is the time it takes EARTH to circle OUR sun once. Why would a Kryptonian use or even know such a measure?

Ok, first off, that's not a plothole. That's the way it's always been done. What'd you expect the writers to do, try to teach them how to talk in a different language for one episode? It's always been done like this, dating back to the Superman movies.

limi

11-03-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by FoxHoundito
18 Kryptonian years = 25 earth years. In other words, a Kryptonian year is 1.38 of an Earth year.
(quoted from http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=129344, post by JulianPerez)
This proves my point. Clark was a baby when he was sent from Krypton and was 3, probably close to 4 years old when he arrived here, meaning he traveled 3 EARTH YEARS. Since in the memory Kara said the journey takes 3 years, she was using earth years which, as I said, is very unlikely. Besides, it seems strange to me that a different civilization, one that is such avid space explorer, would use the time it takes their planet to circle their sun as the acceptable time measure. There are so many other ways in which they could measure time, more universal ones which don't depend on any specific planet. Just seems silly to me...

And I'm not saying the actors should be taught a whole new language, just have them learn a few lines in a made-up language which sounds sort of strange and other-worldly.

Saber

11-03-2007, 02:47 PM

Here's one from left field.
When Jor-El came as Jo he picked Hiram and Jessica (at that time she was pregnant with Jonathon). How could Jor-El have known that Jonathan:
1. Would be a good man in the future.
2. Would marry and stay on that farm.
3. Would want children.

How did Lara know that the picture in the frame was Martha and not Jessica, the chosen one to raise her son?

Mekleo

11-03-2007, 03:10 PM

Howdy

My big thing bout this one was the fact they put an IV into Kara. I just don't see what metal on earth would be able to pierce her skin. I know they also had diodes on her which Clark touched to get the memory from her. But the IV pole an they put the camera on the IV tube sticking into her arm. Just don't think so.

Mek

NoSupeForYou

11-03-2007, 03:25 PM

It's just a show and can't be taken too seriously. Remember, Superman's story began decades ago before we even started to travel into space. It had plot holes from the beginning, like with the fact that the Kryptonians possess knowledge of dozens of galaxies, yet don't have a single colony in space or spacecraft left and right. In reality, there should be Kryptonians all over the galaxy, but the story is more interesting when there are not.
Also, Star Trek had its own plot holes, like every other show out there.
I do agree that the writers on this show are lazy. Probably a good thing that they went on strike, maybe they won't be missed and someone will find some replacements.

HowardFilms

11-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
^
I have come to the sad realisation that this season I am just going to have to forget about storylines making sense, having some continuity, characters acting in character/rationally.

I'm not sure how easy that's going to be but from now on I will try and take it as it rolls - maybe i'll enjoy it.

So if the script writers decide to reveal next week that Lana is also from Krypton and is the Martian Manhunter's ex-girlfriend and Lex's model 503 was actually a Lana sex bot from Mars - where this is the no. 1 selling sex bot - I shall not be dismayed by the change in storyline and departure from Smallville reality - I shall embrace the change 'cos change is good *rocks gently in a corner repeating 'change is good'*.

I say Al-Miles do your worst bring it on. Kara becomes a red kryptonite laced pole dancer at the Talon cafe bring it on.

Lex marries Martha Kent and rubs it in Lionel's face, bring it on.

Zor-el is actually the Kent's next door neighbour and has been living with Lara on their farm next to the Kents' all these years - bring it on.

General Zod is going to appear on Oprah with Namek in a special show called 'Kryptonians are so misunderstood' bring it on.

Kara admits that she actually created the internet and can manipulate it just with the power of her mind - bring it on.

:lol:

They've driven clarkbunny mad!

Originally posted by Saber
Here's one from left field.
When Jor-El came as Jo he picked Hiram and Jessica (at that time she was pregnant with Jonathon). How could Jor-El have known that Jonathan:
1. Would be a good man in the future.
2. Would marry and stay on that farm.
3. Would want children.

How did Lara know that the picture in the frame was Martha and not Jessica, the chosen one to raise her son?

:lol:

How hilarious would it have been if Lara had picked up a new frame with a sample picture still inside and have been like "This is the person who will raise my child"

Saber

11-03-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by HowardFilms

:lol:
How hilarious would it have been if Lara had picked up a new frame with a sample picture still inside and have been like "This is the person who will raise my child"
:lol: Yup that would have been a trip to see!

chantal

11-03-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Mekleo
Howdy

My big thing bout this one was the fact they put an IV into Kara. I just don't see what metal on earth would be able to pierce her skin. I know they also had diodes on her which Clark touched to get the memory from her. But the IV pole an they put the camera on the IV tube sticking into her arm. Just don't think so.

Mek

Maybe they swabbed her skin with Kryptonite solution before sticking in the needle. Or used a Kryptonite needle.

chooch99

11-03-2007, 06:04 PM

What I found to be a huge plothole is Kara learning how to encrypt IP addresses to make them untraceable to the most advanced government technology. Being Kryptonian doesn't mean you can acquire skills out of thin air. Clark has been on Earth for all that time and can't do that. And I seriously doubt the technology on Krypton is anywhere similar to Earth's where she would know how to use computer languages made by humans to hide the IP address. This was another lazy writer's moment. They could have easily had that scene somewhere else other than the DP.

Actually,here is my thought on that.
Clark was "Educated"on earth,though he has a kryptonian brain,which pre-dispositions him to have the "capacity"to learn more,but just because someone has the "capacity"does not mean they WANT to use it.

I imagine Kara's education on Krypton required her to learn, probably so advanced they can flash-train with crystal technology,their kids, and matrix-style dopownload knowledge.
for her, earth technology is like,imagine one of us going to say, world war two era time. i am using that analogy because anytime before the 20th century is a hard comparison due to basic technology being truly to simplistic to compare. A modern man or woman in 1940's earth,not an average joe, but a highly educated in science and assuming wwe all got the best education available to our potential,but such a person would easily after observing, be able to take say,a radio apart,and figure out how it works through reverse engineering..again,assuming kara's krypton education was default,superior to college grade to us which i suspect such a society would give its kids on average.

observing Jimmy, using clark's home computer,google, she has the ability to learn that skill level,that fast. IMO.

Not such a far fetched idea.

the camera? note kara was wearing appropriate earth jeans and polo ****-kryptonians have visited earth,and earth customs in a crude way,may be part of her education the way we learn about other cultures in grade school.

simple enough info to kno what a camera is,and it's basic function,like how we all know african tribes build huts and toss spears,or that british cars,well,all euro cars,driver side is on the opposite to the united states.

lengthy explanation,sorry,but i just wanted to toss my two cents in, and hi, i'm new. :)

George

Welling_is_pretty

11-04-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
How did Kara know how to use a Polaroid camera or even what it was if she'd never been to earth?
that's what I wondered! I mean, I know Kryptonians are used to higher tech but she knew what it was and how to work it even before she touched it!

Originally posted by Ginx
How did that picture of Lara survive the meteor shower? I mean - I'm happy that CK has a pic of his mom but still... super picture frame?
I thought the same thing, Ginx! Yeah, I know it might have survived the 2nd meteor shower and all but still, that's one strong frame if it did! Worth the money the Kents paid for it, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Shlamaz-El
2-Kara AND Clark are in D.C. and do either of them go to think to visit Clark's Mom who is a senator there.

3-The total CUT of the resolution of Lana and Chloe after Chloe thinks Lana is dead.

6-Why did Clark lie to Lionel about Kara being from his "ADOPTED fathers" side" when its OBVIOUS that she is not from all the information Lionel already has about her?
2. yes I wondered that as well. Ranted about it on another thread actually (titled Martha).

3. This annoyed me as well.

6. Especially when the secret gets blown later. Yeah, normal humans get very ill around GreenK Clark. Idiot.

Originally posted by Mekleo

My big thing bout this one was the fact they put an IV into Kara.
there's a lot of Green K around her and we've seen that that weakens a Kryptonian enough to draw blood from them (in Phoenix Clark did the same thing with himself). An ordinary needle would have worked there then.

gx25236

11-04-2007, 05:21 PM

With all their advanced technology Kryptonians were fighting with slow High Explosive missiles rather than nuclear weapons or lasers !!!

chelli

11-04-2007, 07:56 PM

I/m certain this is not the last you will hear about the portals although gives us more to speculate and jeep our foucus diverted as well
all abilities og kryptonians are enhanced on earth both mental and physical abilities far advance race of humans probably using more than the 10 % we do On krypton that would mean they have technical access to more of their history than we can ever hope using only 10 % of our brain power so a kryptonian at 6 could have the equivalent of a masters degree
how could kara tell that was a camera and how to use it if was not a part of their history think about it even today photography here is becoming more digital and moving away from film and wi the internet we no longer need our own libraries and who would go anywhere nowadays without a cell phone Were leaving our ancient tech and embracing the new and forgeting about the old.How many of you own much less heard an LP record or the original megaphone that used a cylinder or an 8 track tape We think it an oddity just looking at a person still using a B?W TV set

Shlamaz-El

11-04-2007, 08:00 PM

Ok, Clark and Lana are together (again)

and all they know all the secrets (well all of Clark's at least) - but why hasn't Lana put together that the BIGGEST THING that has effected her entire life (the death of her parents) was the meteor storm that brought Clark to Earth. Wouldn't there be SOME resentment that would have to be acknowledged in order to resolve it?

Any thoughts?

Shlamaz-El (The Last Yid of Krypton)

chantal

11-04-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Shlamaz-El
Here are the things that really annoy me about this episode

1-Clark and Lionel hugging (ok what putz decided to put that bit into the episode)

6-Why did Clark lie to Lionel about Kara being from his "ADOPTED fathers" side" when its OBVIOUS that she is not from all the information Lionel already has about her?
Shlamaz-El - The Kryptonian Yid

1 - I think it was more a case of Lionel hugging Clark and Clark being too polite to shove him away. Lionel often shows fatherly affection toward Clark, putting his hand on his shoulder and calling him son. I only remember once Clark telling him not to call him that, and it was a while ago. It could be that the scene was a shorthand way of showing that Clark is no longer angry with Lionel about the Lana business, and has accepted him for what MM says he is, Jor El's emissary.

6 - Since MM has or will give Lionel all the scoop on Kara, that did seem a little weird. Maybe they just wanted to let us know that Clark doesn't altogether trust in Lionel's emissary status.

PHOENIXZERO

11-05-2007, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by NoSupeForYou
It's just a show and can't be taken too seriously. Remember, Superman's story began decades ago before we even started to travel into space. It had plot holes from the beginning, like with the fact that the Kryptonians possess knowledge of dozens of galaxies, yet don't have a single colony in space or spacecraft left and right. In reality, there should be Kryptonians all over the galaxy, but the story is more interesting when there are not.

I think the explanation regarding there not being any Kryptonians out in space was that the people of the planet had isolated themselves for one reason or another from the rest of the universe and their government had restricted anyone from leaving the planet.

Originally posted by chelli
I/m certain this is not the last you will hear about the portals although gives us more to speculate and jeep our foucus diverted as well
all abilities og kryptonians are enhanced on earth both mental and physical abilities far advance race of humans probably using more than the 10 % we do On krypton that would mean they have technical access to more of their history than we can ever hope using only 10 % of our brain power so a kryptonian at 6 could have the equivalent of a masters degree
how could kara tell that was a camera

The 10% thing is a myth long supported by "psychics" and other frauds who latched onto it as a means of explaining their fake abilities.

Kryptonians superior mental capacity is due to their supposedly being further along on the evolutionary scale than humans.... Though looking at the last episode it makes me wonder how the hell that is.

Originally posted by clarkbunny
^
Hacking isn't something you read about in a book - for a start it is illegal.

I would imagine it's something you get better at with practice, experience and research on the internet.

Kara could not learn to be a super hacker from a book. I put this down to just poor script writing and convenience.

Huh? Of course there's books on hacking and lots of them just like there are books on now to make bombs and other things that are considered illegal. Knowing how to hack on it's own isn't illegal, it's what you do with the knowledge that determines the legality of things. Then of course, sure there's the internet.

It's entirely possibly that Kara could have picked up how to do everything and be proficient at it in a short amount of time though yeah, it was more likely just bad writing and maybe Allison Mack wasn't available to do the scene. <_<

Anyway, it still bugs the hell out of me that these characters go all over the place with no concern of security cameras, are we to believe that a government facility wouldn't have cameras? I'm surprised they even brought up the cameras Lex has all over the mansion, the same cameras that were supposedly disabled yet allowed Lana do pull up recorded video on them...

This was possibly one of the laziest written episodes... Ever. All the mistakes and the horrible scene with Zor-El, Lara and Kara pretty much ruined it for me. Also, in Clark's flashback from Memoria wasn't Lara brunette? O_o

chelli

11-05-2007, 08:45 AM

the 10% of our brains actualy used is a medical certainty and not a myth put forth by Psychics a few humans have exceeded that capacity Look at Beetehoven and Einstein for example
So it is very well possible that Kryptonians could have naturally expanded their abilitys ove milleia
but as far a evolving they're now now being portrayed as beset by envies and jealousies such as we have
Part of reason toward looking to the heavens is to find a human utopia deviod of our imperfections and The original saga was based that Krypton had oiut grown those baser instincts with only the exception few

NoSupeForYou

11-05-2007, 10:25 AM

Their government is in a civil war. I doubt that anyone fighting against it gives a damn about what they say.

Also, during that opening scene of "Lara", that was the lamest war ever. What were they shooting down, pigeons? I love sci-fi but my biggest problem with all sci-fi shows is that even though they concern the future or advanced civilization, weaponry involves nothing more than aiming with the eye. If you're so advanced that you can travel through space in spaceships or through portals you wouldn't need to randomly fire into the air in a hope that you hit something. Yet, the super-advanced Kryptonians don't have anything more accurate than bottle rockets.

The episode was lazily written and was a waste of good actors.

As for the government lab, I've seen better security at an Immigration Office and this place was supposed to be Top-Secret. In reality, there would have been soldiers guarding each door Kara went through to make sure somebody could not just simply grab a card to get through.

kal-el_Girl

11-05-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by HeddyH
The Kents left their oven on while they were at church!
Irresponsible..
I think you can do that, nothing will happen, specially if you're cooking something that would take hours to cook

GaidinDre

11-05-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
I think you can do that, nothing will happen, specially if you're cooking something that would take hours to cook

The risk is if something unforeseen happens that prevents you from getting back in a reasonable amount of time.

kal-el_Girl

11-05-2007, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by PHOENIXZERO
Their TV......

And yeah apparently they have the same frames for 20 years and don't do anything with them and somehow after all these years that frame is still intact even though that house was destroyed. >_>
ok I don't think that in 1987 tv's looked like that. the kents tv circa early 90's right?

Originally posted by GaidinDre
The risk is if something unforeseen happens that prevents you from getting back in a reasonable amount of time. oh come on!! what would happen in smallville? :p

chelli

11-05-2007, 11:40 AM

I noticed that my mother and other women when using the ofen could leave home for several hours before comimg home so an hour and 1/2 would be normal
if you think about it you can see the same thing still going on many homes leaving the oven unattended the worst case usually just burns the food and rarely starts fires fires from unattended ovens are rare open flames from from a burner are more likely to cause fires than the enclosed oven will

sdogg1m

11-05-2007, 11:48 AM

People leave ovens on all the time while going to church.

Unless, an earthquake takes place then their is no way the house will catch on fire.

NoSupeForYou

11-05-2007, 11:53 AM

How about the fact that Zor-el actually found Lara. If he had followed her wouldn't he have showed up at the same time? It's almost like he knew where Jor-el was planning to send Clark, but yet he didn't know Lara was pregnant.

Did Zor-el erase Lara's memory also. Because if he didn't you would think she would have mentioned it to Jor-el so he could put in a warning that should Clark run into anything related to Zor-el he might want to be cautious.

That whole memory erasing scene reminded me of my biggest problem with Smallville; super speed relates to nothing else. You would think that with super speed you might have super reflexes, but nope. Also, whenever Clark is moving faster than a speeding bullet and hits something at super speed he doesn't even leave a bruise, but when a bullet hits something it destroys it.

chelli

11-05-2007, 12:06 PM

I beleive you're in error about people were forbidden from leaving the planet. Only Jor-El and Lara were forbidden to leave
In a state of emergency such as a natural disaster or wartime It becomes neccesary to remove the populace by whatever means available if we equate kryptonians as ourselves then they would seek to save as many as possible
Im our own past when S Vietam was being overrun The military evacuated as many of the citizens as it could before they themselves left The same holds true for the kryptonions

NoSupeForYou

11-05-2007, 12:13 PM

There had to be other Kryptonian colonies. It doesn't look like you could grow much beyond ice on Krypton so they had to get food from somewhere. Maybe they all ate Soylent Green.

chelli

11-05-2007, 12:38 PM

you can disable the cameras and leave the recorder on it will record static pluswhatever happened prior to to the feed disruption so it is possible that Lana vould still rewind the recorders and see kara in the mansion so that's no inconsistancy
but why Didn't Lex think to keep Lana out of the security system after she divorced him
thats a slip that Lex should have thought of he cxhanges security protocals after the departure of others that were in his employ yet he leaves his own house unaffected

chelli

11-05-2007, 04:18 PM

theres an inconsistancy in the number of portals in Karas flashback Zor-El told her that the council destroyed all the remain portals (plura) while in the flashback under interrogation Lara admonished her for using the last remaining portal(singular) so either the writers missed that or they were to reopen them again since,So itis highly doubtful they really destroyed them all
plus Zor-El would,t send Kara to earth if they were actually winning but losing the war and even Kara thought that once she arrived on Earth

faz

11-05-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by borednow
Planes aren't allowed over the Capital...

GOOD CALL. In fact, since 9/11, I don't think planes have even been allowed to fly within DC city limits, they have to skirt around the city to land.

Kal-El Son of Krypton

11-05-2007, 04:32 PM

I find it wierd that the Kent's changed apsolutly nothing in thier house in atleast 21 years.

They really should have redressed the set to make it look like the 80s. sort of like how they redressed it in the third season to make it look like the 60s.

I also find it wierd that even though it is 1986, the Kents had a modern tv.

They were really lazy with this one.

PHOENIXZERO

11-05-2007, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by chelli
the 10% of our brains actualy used is a medical certainty and not a myth put forth by Psychics a few humans have exceeded that capacity Look at Beetehoven and Einstein for example
So it is very well possible that Kryptonians could have naturally expanded their abilitys ove milleia
but as far a evolving they're now now being portrayed as beset by envies and jealousies such as we have
Part of reason toward looking to the heavens is to find a human utopia deviod of our imperfections and The original saga was based that Krypton had oiut grown those baser instincts with only the exception few

:rolleyes: I'm not going to even bother arguing this and just post links.

http://sci-con.org/2004/09/exploding-the-10-percent-myth/

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000B077E-AD46-1047-AD4683414B7F0000&pageNumber=1&catID=3

http://bfc.positscience.com/brain/brain_mythology.php

Serynarpc

11-05-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by JudasAce
I think by now, Clark would have learned that when he sees a bunch of green glowy stuff to NOT WALK TOWARDS IT!

Especially after the 'it can kill you to Kara'.

'It can kil lil' you Kara, but I possess Superman... er... um.. luck in that Chloe shows up to pull me to safety all the time? Maybe Jimmy will become your Krypto- savior too?'

Originally posted by GaidinDre
The risk is if something unforeseen happens that prevents you from getting back in a reasonable amount of time.

True that. On the irresponsible post though, my family often put on the crock pot while we went to church.

That meant that you had nice, steaming hot lunch when the sermon was over. That was the most realistic thing that I found in this episode...

coco#1

11-06-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
The Kents left their oven on while they were at church!
Irresponsible..

no it wasent.she was cooking a turkey.it takes up to 8 hours to cook. it must be cooked slow to ensure it comes out nice and moist, tender and delicious. on thanksgiving you put your turkey on at about 6 in the morning than go back to bed (or go to church, the store, jog or whatever) now im hungry....:\

chelli

11-06-2007, 01:24 PM

I agree but it was a Sunday roast and not a thanksgiving day turkey
you heard lara say that

clarkbunny

11-06-2007, 04:29 PM

I wonder what kind of pot roast they cook on Krypton

Perhaps Lara should have taken the pot roast out of the oven with her bare hands. Blasted it with her heat vision to speed up it's cooking then Lara, Kara and Zor-el could have tucked in and finished off the dinner before the Kents got home:lol:

chelli

11-08-2007, 05:31 AM

there is wild speculation in the kryponite theory here even if a kryptomian can be weakend by green krypyomie poisoning doesn't detract that the physiology would be affected as wel
one can not asume that kryptonite weakens the cellur structure of the body as well that even aan earth made needle can pentrate the sjin
for a krtyptonian bodys atoms are packed seveal times more densely it woiuld take kryptonian elements to produce one that would be stromg enough to penetraye the skin
Krypton is a heavy gravity planet as well which would have meant in order to evolve the celluar structure would have toi be denser as well
and knowing krypyonite is deadly to krryptonians no way implies a weaker celluar constituion as well
a fact that theyDS wouldn't know aboiut they were using earth based elements and not native kryptonian elements when using the needles
Only a lack of biologigal and medical knowledge would assume that to be true
kryptomite bein harmless to humans yet deadly to kryptonians id laughable as well when they walk away from a 20 ,egaton bomb and only be affected by the radiation from kryptonite kryptonite would turn earthers to ashes instantly as we have a much losser xell structure
ithe only way that would make sense to me would be to administer it transdrmallt then

xrayvision

05-31-2008, 06:48 PM

Lex Dance

06-25-2008, 03:49 PM

I think I can answer this one. I believe in "Memoria" Lara said "What if they don't love him..." ("they" referring to the Kents) Perhaps she was having last minute doubts, afraid they wouldn't accept him because he's an alien? Does that make sense?
Phew! It certainly does Twitch. I don't want anything ruining Memoria in terms of series continuity! ;)

e-µ-i

01-10-2009, 07:16 AM

I was going to put this as a Kara plothole/inconsistency, but after thinking about it more, Kara was an earlier episode and gave out the facts first.

But in Kara, Kara says that she never saw Lara happier than the day Lara found out she was pregnant. This means that Kara was present. Yet in Lara, the erased memory showed that Kara didn't know about Lara being pregnant until some time after Lara found out. With that memory (which was the original occasion in which Kara found out that Lara was pregnant) having been repressed at the time of the episode Kara, the next time she could have found out about the pregnancy was even later. So the facts in Lara don't jive with what was presented in Kara.

I know this is more minor than some of the other stuff, but I wanted to point it out.

Correct.
There is nothing that can explain it, except maybe the fact that Lara was present when Zor-el memory wiped Kara. So, when they came back to Krypton, Lara could've easily told everything to Jor-el... Since he's a scientist, maybe he did something to Kara while she was asleep to repress the effect of Zor-el's crystal.
Meeting Kal-el and everything else, Kara could've suffered from minor amnesia, since she was 'hibernating' in that animation state for 19 years or so...

That's really as stretched as it can be...the writers suck !