Doesn't Peter have Charlie's memory powers?

[I bleed red]

if sylar got charlies memory powers, then peter should also have the memory powers since he got all those other powers in the finale of season one......hmmmm, any thoughts?

[faz]

I would guess so, he would have actually gotten them in "Homecoming" since Sylar had already taken her brain then, along with a plethora of other powers. However, Charlie's memory seemed to be mostly for trivial knowledge rather than memory of who she was as a person; amnesiac's may not remember anything about their life but many still remember basic knowledge like how to drive a car, how to read, do math, things like that. I'm sure if you threw a book in front of Peter he could remember it verbatim.

[I bleed red]

i guess thats probably about the best explanation they would be able to give us, so i'll go along with it...... on a side note, this was probably my favorite episode this season. even though i thought it was out of character for claire to do what she did. I know the other chick was drunk, but claire of all people should know that word would get out that a highschool cheerleader called the police and told them a girl named claire was dropped by a flying man and killed.

[tragichero25]

i think that peter's power only lets him use powers that are used around him, so if sylar didn't use it when peter was near, then peter wouldn't have it. Although Charlie's power wasn't really active, and you couldn't turn it on or off, so i guess I'm just going around in circles.

[faz]

Not really, because my theory is basically identical to yours on that one. I think that powers that need to be actively controlled need to be used around Peter for him to absorb them. This, of course, begs the question of when DL used his power around Peter, but maybe he was close enough to DL when he was phasing in and out of the buildings in Kirby Plaza. But it would explain a lot, like why Peter couldn't control nuclear Ted's power and instead just emitted radiation, which is something that Ted did automatically, as well as why Peter didn't pick up a lot of powers after he clearly came in contact with the person who had them (Eden, for example). Also, if you look back, several of Peter's powers only emerged when someone used them near Peter, for example flight, mind-reading, and painting the future.

[migo]

Ted wasn't using his powers when Peter started going nuclear the first time. He just has to be in the area to absorb them.

[pycer]

When did Peter come in contact with Eden?

[XSE_Greystone]

HOLY CRAP....I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT PETER MEETING EDEN!!!!! AAAHHHAAAA!!!

Remember pycer when Peter went to see Mohinder for the first time and was saying how he could only do things when he's around people who can do things...and then took Mohinder to try and see Isaac before the whole Hiro stopping time on the train. But when Peter first came in to Mohinder's apartment Eden was there with him...MAN I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED THAT ONE. Nice call faz.

So now i'm not so sure Peter can absorb a person's power unless they are using it. I don't know i mean maybe his body has the powers but he just doesn't know he has them so he's not trying to use them...but then again i think something would have happened to cause Peter's body to bring up that power or one of Sylar's many we haven't seen yet. So maybe the power does have to be used when he's around them.

Migo what faz is trying to say is that Ted is always giving off low levels of radiation and thus by doing so Peter automatically picked up on it because Ted basically is always using his power even if he isn't blowing things up.

Also faz i too am curious about how he got DL's gift unless Peter's range of absorption is increasing or something...but if he can take people's powers without them using it then he should have a mess of powers including Micah's, Molly's, Sylar's many powers, and any body walking down the street if there are more kind of random people with powers walking down the street with him.

[jim mayniam]

i had forgotten that he was around eden, also.

*face palm*

it makes more sense to me now, though, because a sponge can't soak up water if it's sitting beside the bucket.

[Yoshua]

Originally posted by pycer
When did Peter come in contact with Eden?


When he went to meet suresh at his apartment and Eden talked to Suresh about it later.

[flying_girl]

he would have to know about eden's power to use it. he never knew she had a power.

[Yoshua]

Originally posted by flying_girl
he would have to know about eden's power to use it. he never knew she had a power.

Not true in any way shape or form.


He has amnesia. I don't think his mind has anything to do with the powers OTHER than absorbing them.


He absorbs them, and not always when used. I went back and can't find DL anywhere near Peter when he uses his powers unless you count in the same city miles apart.


His body uses the abilities at need, and when he uses them he can figure out how to use them at will. So far every power he has used this season has started off as a reflex and then he has been trying to master how to do it consciencely.



You are right that he can't use Edens ability, but he definately has it. That also goes for all of Sylars innate and unused abilities. Peter has powers that even if he wasn't suffering from amnesia he has no idea he has and could just 'appear' when his body needs them to.

[flying_girl]

what i meant was that he has to know he has the ability in order to use it. asking someone a question wont make it work he needs to put the power into his words in order to make it work and even when he had his memory he never knew he had it. eden's power isnt one that just comes out like the rest of them. i guess if he really wants to know something or make someone do something he might use his power by accident.

[pycer]

Originally posted by Yoshua





He absorbs them, and not always when used. I went back and can't find DL anywhere near Peter when he uses his powers unless you count in the same city miles apart.




Try watching the season finale dude, he was sitting on the ground by micah and molly in the square during the final battle.

[Yoshua]

Originally posted by pycer
Try watching the season finale dude, he was sitting on the ground by micah and molly in the square during the final battle.


Ok 'Dude'

DL isn't USING his ability at that time. That just proves my point... He can absorb powers even if they are not actively being used.

Dude.

[angeloo]

people dont have to be using their powers for peter to get them... charles didnt use his dream power and peter had it when he dreamt of what happened to nathan, also i dont think issac used his power when peter painted his stick figures. and i think that he did use edens power when he was in issacs loft, throwing stuff at him. i dont remember the exact scene but he said something like why did u do it, or something like that when he killed simone, then issac automatticly told peter what he did, it could be because he was scared of peter and wanted to tell him or it could of been peter unknowingly using edens power

[flying_girl]

ill have to watch that again, but that would be cool if he did use eden's power.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by angeloo
and i think that he did use edens power when he was in issacs loft, throwing stuff at him. i dont remember the exact scene but he said something like why did u do it, or something like that when he killed simone, then issac automatticly told peter what he did, it could be because he was scared of peter and wanted to tell him or it could of been peter unknowingly using edens power I talked about that last season right after that episode and yeah it appeared Peter used Eden's power back then. In Eden's voice (which is sort of like 2 voices talking at once), he said "Don't lie to me!" at which point Isaac immediately blabbed the complete truth.:lol: People said the voice was for dramatic effect only but I highly doubted it...I thought Peter accidentally used the persuasion power in his rage.

The same can be said of Sylar, he also appeared to use the persuasion voice a couple of times last season (leading to me to conclude he managed to gain Eden's power despite her shooting herself in the head -- meaning she missed the important area of the brain, allowing Sylar to still be able to study/eat/absorb the ability). In the loft (.07%):

ISAAC: They stop you. You die.
SYLAR: You painted all that? Show me.
(Isaac doesn't react.)
SYLAR (angry now, uses the Persuasion Voice): SHOW ME!

However Isaac didn't show him, he instead looked at his gun. So maybe it was just dramatic effect there...but why would they do that? Especially when they've shown a character previously use an extremely similar voice before as an expression of a power being used. Doesn't make sense at all. I wish the show would get their signals straight...

[flying_girl]

i forgot about eden shooting herself. i always assumed that sylar used the persuasion power on isaac, thats what it sounded like to me.

[Xanderman]

Yeah Eden shot her herself in the head to prevent Sylar from taking her power. However my theory is he managed to get it anyway. (a brain isn't completely destroyed by a single bullet...the important area survived)

But I agree, it sounded like the persuasion voice. The "dramatic effect" excuse doesn't cut it with me, not after Eden.

[flying_girl]

i just rewatched unexpected and im not sure about peter using persuasion. he yelled "dont lie to me" and it doubled although i didnt hear eden's voice. isaac didnt tell peter right away. peter first said "with me out of the way you can have simone all to yourself" and isaac defended himself by saying "you stole her away from me, but i did it to save ny" dont know if peter was using persuasion or not. i dont remember eden's voice doubling like that when she persuaded people. i guess ill have to check that out too, although not tonight.
while i was watching it i noticed a maybe plothole that has nothing to do with peter but i didnt know where to put it and i only noticed it cuz of this thread. in season 2 claire is supposed to be very smart, or at least that is what west says. and he noticed it in science class. in unexpected claire says that she got a -c in biology. on the other hand i think everyone can recognize charles darwin's theory of evolution as having come from him, so doesnt mean shes smart just that west thinks so.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by flying_girl
i dont remember eden's voice doubling like that when she persuaded people. Eden's persuasion voice did the same thing Peter's did in that scene, and the same thing Sylar's did in the other. The persuasion voice is a "second voice" that speaks alongside the original voice. This second voice is what gets inside a person's head and takes over/overrides their own mind's "voice". That's how I like to look at it...

[flying_girl]

that makes sense. i remember that edens voice changed i just need to rewatch to see how. even if peter did use eden's power on isaac and he kept his memory's i dont think he'd be able to realize that he had that power cuz of what i said earlier about not being able to tell that he actually persuaded issac to do anything. on the other hand, if he used it by accident than, it might come out now also and he is more intuned to all the weird things he can do now so he is more likely to realize it. at that point i think all he was thinking about was his dead girlfriend so whether he persuaded issac to do anything was not something he would remember.

[pycer]

Tim Kring himself said the voice thing they showed Sylar and Peter doing was purely for dramatic effect. He is the head honcho, el jeffe himself over this show, so I think I'll go with what he said.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by pycer
Tim Kring himself said the voice thing they showed Sylar and Peter doing was purely for dramatic effect. He is the head honcho, el jeffe himself over this show, so I think I'll go with what he said. That's what others said in response back then too (instead of going by what the actual show does/shows us, which is what I'm doing). Again, why use this particular "dramatic effect" on the only two characters (Peter and Sylar), the ONLY two, who can possibly have Eden's power?? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You don't alter a person's voice on a show like this one if it doesn't mean anything, that's beyond senseless. Not after a character like Eden existed and what a similarly or even identically altered voice meant with her. (If it wasn't Peter and Sylar we were talking about here, then I could live with the "dramatic effect" explanation/cop-out -- not for these characters though.)

So either "Tim Kring himself" doesn't know what he's talking about or he doesn't know what he's doing. It's one or the other.

[pycer]

It's kinda hard to argue with the person that created this show and these characters, but if you enjoy banging your head against the wall, go right ahead, I aint gonna stop ya.

Now, thats not to say that Peter doesn't possess eden's power, as he should, but I don't beleive Sylar does.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by pycer
It's kinda hard to argue with the person that created this show and these characters, but if you enjoy banging your head against the wall, go right ahead, I aint gonna stop ya.Nah I'm just pointing out the absolute absurdity of using "dramatic effects" like these on a show like this one after a character like Eden existed (whose similarly altered voice wasn't merely for dramatic effect). Makes no sense. Kring's explanation is beyond weak.

[Yoshua]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Nah I'm just pointing out the absolute absurdity of using "dramatic effects" like these on a show like this one after a character like Eden existed (whose similarly altered voice wasn't merely for dramatic effect). Makes no sense. Kring's explanation is beyond weak.


ummm actually her voice WAS altered just for dramatic effect. It doesnt say that the people in the show heard a different voice, just that we, the viewers, watching the show heard a different voice so we could tell it was her ability activating.


It was just for dramatic effect, it doesn't say anywhere in the show that the people in the show heard anything other than her normal voice.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Yoshua
ummm actually her voice WAS altered just for dramatic effect. It doesnt say that the people in the show heard a different voice, just that we, the viewers, watching the show heard a different voice so we could tell it was her ability activating.

It was just for dramatic effect, it doesn't say anywhere in the show that the people in the show heard anything other than her normal voice. I'm not talking about what characters in the show hear or don't hear, I'm clearly talking about what we the viewers hear. And we hear an altered voice for Eden when she uses her power. However we also heard altered voices for Peter and Sylar, which apparently were just for "dramatic effect" and nothing else. This is what I'm talking about, you're like, ummm, going off on some other tangent.

[Yoshua]

Originally posted by Xanderman
I'm not talking about what characters in the show hear or don't hear, I'm clearly talking about what we the viewers hear. And we hear an altered voice for Eden when she uses her power. However we also heard altered voices for Peter and Sylar, which apparently were just for "dramatic effect" and nothing else. This is what I'm talking about, you're like, ummm, going off on some other tangent.


Didn't we hear Sylars altered voice before we heard Eden's? Not positive on that, but I thought we heard Sylar talk in the episode Parkman and the FBI agent chased him down the alley and shot him.

Still kinda amazed at how that didn't kill him considering a Sword almost did the Job in the season finale.


As for some other tangeant, it was ALL for dramatic effect, even Edens. It isnt a tangeant, it is reality.... It is a tv show, and almost all effects done are for 'dramatic effect'

[pycer]

I believe his surviving the gunshots was his tk ability stopping the bullets so they never actually hit him, much like how he stopped Parkmans bullets in the finale and flung them back at him.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Yoshua
As for some other tangeant, it was ALL for dramatic effect, even Edens. It isnt a tangeant, it is reality.... It is a tv show, and almost all effects done are for 'dramatic effect' Lol Eden's wasn't JUST for dramatic effect, it was an expression of a power being used. Sylar and Peter however weren't using any powers apparently when their voices were changed. This is what I'm talking about, not sure why you don't seem to understand....you're frustrating the hell out of me man.:lol:

But you're right about Sylar seeming to survive all the time. Not sure why he wants Claire's power so bad, he seems to be doing just fine without it.


Originally posted by pycer
I believe his surviving the gunshots was his tk ability stopping the bullets so they never actually hit him, much like how he stopped Parkmans bullets in the finale and flung them back at him. Perhaps, but how did he survive the fall from the roof (or whatever they fell from) with Peter? Peter survived thanks to Claire's ability, but how did Sylar? I never understood that...did they explain? Did he use TK to slow himself down before hitting the ground? Sort of similar to the "no footsteps" thing, where he probably hovered above the ground to sneak up on Super Hearing Lady? lol

[pycer]

He was seriously injured from the fall, if you watch what happens to him afterwards.