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galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:05 AM

I'm not following the logic. Did Marilyn find Lionel and then call Lana and then Lana bought her property and then what was supposed to be the end result? She obviously wasn't going to kill Lionel or she would have. Was she going to blackmail Lex for even more money? Did she set this up before the dam burst? Was Lana trying to protect Clark from Lionel? She would have to kill him or else her protection would be temporary. Can anyone decipher all of this?

Randy G.

10-26-2007, 12:10 AM

This is a tough one to decipher. Some of my thoughts are as follows:

Lana (through contacts still in Smallville)discovered Marilyn had pulled Lionel from the creek, and was paying her to hold him there.
Her plans for him, I'm not so sure right now, but it couldn't be good. It may have still been to protect Clark. :\

xrayvision

10-26-2007, 12:13 AM

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3408308#post3408308

galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by xrayvision
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3408308#post3408308

I read your link but it makes no sense to me. Lionel was laying unconscious in the water. Lana could not have possibly anticipated that. If it was Marilyn who pulled Lionel out it is hard to see that she was sent by Lana. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow to see when the land was purchased. I bet it was after the dam burst.

xrayvision

10-26-2007, 12:22 AM

I'm not saying she anticipated the dam bursting. I think she paid Marilyn to wait for Lionel at the dam because Lana knew Lionel was using her to track what Lex was doing and everything pointed to the dam. So she paid Marilyn to stop Lionel after the explosion was staged by going to the dam and kidnapping Lionel before he got inside. Instead of attacking him, she happened to find him passed out in the water. The dam breaking was an unexpected turn of events. If there was anyplace Lionel was going to be, it was the dam, so Lana's choice as to where she would tell Marilyn to kidnap Lionel wasn't hard.

Randy G.

10-26-2007, 12:24 AM

Sounds good to me xrayvision. :)

galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm not saying she anticipated the dam bursting. I think she paid Marilyn to wait for Lionel at the dam because Lana knew Lionel was using her to track what Lex was doing and everything pointed to the dam. So she paid Marilyn to stop Lionel after the explosion was staged by going to the dam and kidnapping Lionel before he got inside. Instead of attacking him, she happened to find him passed out in the water. The dam breaking was an unexpected turn of events. If there was anyplace Lionel was going to be, it was the dam, so Lana's choice as to where she would tell Marilyn to kidnap Lionel wasn't hard.

But Marilyn had rubber boots on a raincoat and gloves. She wouldn't be wearing them unless the dam had already burst. Also, she'd probably be dead or in serious trouble if she had been anywhere near that dam.

chantal

10-26-2007, 12:25 AM

I checked, you can't see a date. Just the signature of the Notary Public, and the LL. Who signs a deed of title with just their initials?

galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by chantal
I checked, you can't see a date. Just the signature of the Notary Public, and the LL. Who signs a deed of title with just their initials?

Thanks for digging into it. I'm pretty convinced that Lana bought the land after the dam had burst but I still don't know what she was doing with Lionel. That has to be why the writers had Lionel kill Marilyn so that Lana wouldn't be prosecuted.

Randy G.

10-26-2007, 12:28 AM

Could've been she honestly found him & rescued him.
Lana's contacts located him, & she tempted Marilyn with the lure of easy money, to keep him there.

galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Randy G.
Could've been she honestly found him & rescued him.
Lana's contacts located him, & she tempted Marilyn with the lure of easy money, to keep him there.

That sounds like the best solution to me but WHY did she keep him there? Was she wanting to blackmail Lex or hold Lionel for ransom? Was she going to keep him there for years and years and let Marilyn have her way with him? If she wasn't going to kill him it is weird to try and figure out what the point was.

galatians221

10-26-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by chantal
I checked, you can't see a date. Just the signature of the Notary Public, and the LL. Who signs a deed of title with just their initials?

Perhaps Lois will uncover just when this property was purchased. Perhaps they'll never explain just what Lana intended to do with Lionel. If she was holding him for ransom she could be exposed by Marilyn if it worked or if it went bad. It just seemed so pointless to keep Lionel chained to a bed, I mean he hadn't gone the bathroom for what, four weeks? What was the plan?

JayDeehobbit

10-26-2007, 12:29 PM

Here is what happened:
Marilyn is out adjusting the electrical connections (beside the river and thus the rubber boots for electrical insulation) so she can draw a gigawatt per hour, undected, for her grow-op when she finds Lionel and decides to go all Kathy Bates "Misery" on the rich dude. Lana is planning an extended trip to China and before she leaves she goes to her connection to stock up on her glaucoma medicine *cough* and finds Lionel all comfy in bed with a bear trap/roach clip on one hand and eating chips, cheezies, McD's... with the other hand. Lana then buys all the land so Marilyn can expand the grow-op because Lana can feel her glaucoma is getting worse...

galatians221

10-26-2007, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by JayDeehobbit
Here is what happened:
Marilyn is out adjusting the electrical connections (beside the river and thus the rubber boots for electrical insulation) so she can draw a gigawatt per hour, undected, for her grow-op when she finds Lionel and decides to go all Kathy Bates "Misery" on the rich dude. Lana is planning an extended trip to China and before she leaves she goes to her connection to stock up on her glaucoma medicine *cough* and finds Lionel all comfy in bed with a bear trap/roach clip on one hand and eating chips, cheezies, McD's... with the other hand. Lana then buys all the land so Marilyn can expand the grow-op because Lana can feel her glaucoma is getting worse...

Makes as much sense as anything else I'm sad to say.

STFanatic

10-26-2007, 12:34 PM

Or she blackmails Marilyn saying she was going to report her horticultural hobby to the authorities. :lol:

clarkbunny

10-26-2007, 07:36 PM

Clark and Lana must be copulating like rabbits at the farm as they sure as hell can't be talking. If they were talking surely Clark would have told her about him working with Lionel and Lionel channelling his father Jor-El??? Then Lana wouldn't be doing this kidnapping thing. It makes no sense at all, I just don't see what Lana's plan could have been for keeping Lionel locked up and why the hell was his hand in a bear trap?? Surely just handcuffing him to the bed would have sufficed?

xrayvision

10-26-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
Clark and Lana must be copulating like rabbits at the farm as they sure as hell can't be talking. If they were talking surely Clark would have told her about him working with Lionel and Lionel channelling his father Jor-El??? Then Lana wouldn't be doing this kidnapping thing. It makes no sense at all, I just don't see what Lana's plan could have been for keeping Lionel locked up and why the hell was his hand in a bear trap?? Surely just handcuffing him to the bed would have sufficed?

She already had proof in the video she watched in Nemesis that Lionel was actually doing something good when she saw that phantom. Lionel told her that he forced her into that marriage to get info like that. If she didn't believe him, then she just has some kind of vendetta against him that facts won't dissuade.

The reason she didn't want Lionel around is because she knows he's smart enough to find out what she's doing and tell Clark. The funny thing is he already knows. He could already see right through her plan.

uhhuhhim

10-26-2007, 08:09 PM

I think Lana did it because she was distraught over the loss of the baby. The child could've grown up to love her unconditionally, which is what she's been searching for ever since her parents died, but couldn't find with Clark or Lex because of their secrets, so she wanted to take the SAME thing Lex is searching for: Love and approval from Lionel, something he's never really gotten. If not that, she at least wanted to make Lex feel guilty after she killed him because he never told his dad he loved him.

inperfectmemory

10-26-2007, 08:42 PM

it's all very confusing and i hope that they unravel everything. but i think lana did it all because she's holding her grudge against lionel and getting some payback. i'm thinking she didn't have him killed because mayyybeeee she doesn't have it in her to kill him? even though she certainly has become very devious. or, maybe she has some sick twisted plans we don't know about yet. but i dont think lana would know the dam was going to break... unless she somehow planned it? i don't know... i missed the finale. :( faulty dvr+working night shifts = a ruined smallville life.

galatians221

10-26-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by inperfectmemory
it's all very confusing and i hope that they unravel everything. but i think lana did it all because she's holding her grudge against lionel and getting some payback. i'm thinking she didn't have him killed because mayyybeeee she doesn't have it in her to kill him? even though she certainly has become very devious. or, maybe she has some sick twisted plans we don't know about yet. but i dont think lana would know the dam was going to break... unless she somehow planned it? i don't know... i missed the finale. :( faulty dvr+working night shifts = a ruined smallville life.

If Lionel hadn't escaped what was she planning to do with him? That is the burning question. He hadn't eaten in four weeks (or whatever time had elapsed since the dam burst) and he couldn't even go to the bathroom with that bear trap on his wrist.

galatians221

10-27-2007, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by xrayvision
She already had proof in the video she watched in Nemesis that Lionel was actually doing something good when she saw that phantom. Lionel told her that he forced her into that marriage to get info like that. If she didn't believe him, then she just has some kind of vendetta against him that facts won't dissuade.

The reason she didn't want Lionel around is because she knows he's smart enough to find out what she's doing and tell Clark. The funny thing is he already knows. He could already see right through her plan.

If she didn't want him around she'd have to kill him. I mean how long can you keep someone chained to a bed? The whole thing makes no sense to me. If Marilyn gets caught she's certainly going to rat Lana out. How long could she have kept it up?

Serynarpc

10-27-2007, 12:17 AM

Maybe Lana hired Marilyn to kidnap Lionel through whatever means necessary? Stalking Lionel gives a good reason for how Marilyn came across Lionel so fast.

Unless Lana pulled Lionel out and set him up for Marilyn to babysit. Or the Lana- clone did.

*Sigh* Every time I break down and say 'Lana Clone' a bit of my soul dies.

:(

galatians221

10-27-2007, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Serynarpc
Maybe Lana hired Marilyn to kidnap Lionel through whatever means necessary? Stalking Lionel gives a good reason for how Marilyn came across Lionel so fast.

Unless Lana pulled Lionel out and set him up for Marilyn to babysit. Or the Lana- clone did.

*Sigh* Every time I break down and say 'Lana Clone' a bit of my soul dies.

:(

But Lana did not know the dam would burst and Lionel would be unconscious downstream. Marilyn's finding of Lionel had to be chance and then she had to call Lana who is in China for crying out loud and Lana then has to pay $50,000 for the property and have it notarized and give instructions to Marilyn to keep him from escaping. Now both Lex, Lois and Lionel know what's going on and Lois will hopefully unearth the story and Clark will hit the fan when he finds out what Lana was up to. But I still don't have a clue what she hoped to accomplish by having Lionel chained to a bed.

CLanaF23

10-27-2007, 12:51 AM

maybe she was tryin to protect clark and get back at both lex and lionel at the same time..i just hope her reasons were good...

clarkbunny

10-27-2007, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by galatians221
But I still don't have a clue what she hoped to accomplish by having Lionel chained to a bed.

Maybe she was planning a kryptoweed fueled sex session with Lionel and Marilyn. :lol:

We all know she isn't getting any at home.

THEN - she could have Lionel's baby. With Lionel under lock and key, all she would need to do was have Lex kidnapped/killed then she could lay claim to the Luther empire as the mother of the sole heir (her baby). According to Canon she does take over Luthorcorp at some point. This is just a crazy joke but the way things are going on Smallville I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.

SacredK

10-27-2007, 08:59 AM

I don't think her keeping Lionel would be to protect Clark, it might have been the initial purpose, but Lana has been stooping so low I believe her motives are something else besides heroic.

xrayvision

10-27-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by galatians221
If she didn't want him around she'd have to kill him. I mean how long can you keep someone chained to a bed? The whole thing makes no sense to me. If Marilyn gets caught she's certainly going to rat Lana out. How long could she have kept it up?

Maybe she wanted to have him held until she was able to come up with a plan to frame him and have him sent to jail. Whatever the reason, she doesn't yet have the ruthlessness to commit a murder or pay someone to do it.

galatians221

10-27-2007, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I think Lana did it because she was distraught over the loss of the baby. The child could've grown up to love her unconditionally, which is what she's been searching for ever since her parents died, but couldn't find with Clark or Lex because of their secrets, so she wanted to take the SAME thing Lex is searching for: Love and approval from Lionel, something he's never really gotten. If not that, she at least wanted to make Lex feel guilty after she killed him because he never told his dad he loved him.

There was no baby. Lex never killed him. The baby was a lie. Other than that I agree with your point. Lana hates Lex for what he did to her. You're right.

smallville38

10-27-2007, 09:09 PM

I really don't think Lana did this for Clark. If she thought Lionel was a serious threat to Clark (he did threaten to hurt Clark to Lana), she would've killed him. I have no doubt of that.

I also think that blackmail is too simple of a motive and wouldn't work all that well.

That leads me to two possibilities: 1) She's wanted information from Lionel, which she could use to take down Lex, or 2) She wanted to use Lionel as a tool to hurt Lex. The last one is kinda vague, but if nothing else Lionel would serve as pretty good bait for a trap to take down Lex. I'm sure she had a myraid of plans of how to use Lionel festering in that brain of hers.

galatians221

10-27-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by smallville38
I really don't think Lana did this for Clark. If she thought Lionel was a serious threat to Clark (he did threaten to hurt Clark to Lana), she would've killed him. I have no doubt of that.

I also think that blackmail is too simple of a motive and wouldn't work all that well.

That leads me to two possibilities: 1) She's wanted information from Lionel, which she could use to take down Lex, or 2) She wanted to use Lionel as a tool to hurt Lex. The last one is kinda vague, but if nothing else Lionel would serve as pretty good bait for a trap to take down Lex. I'm sure she had a myraid of plans of how to use Lionel festering in that brain of hers.

But those are both crimes. I understand that she may want to do that but she could never be exposed as part of it and signing for that land identified her as the culprit.

clarkbunny

10-27-2007, 11:06 PM

Ok here's my theory:

Marilyn is just a crazy, lonely pot head or drug dealer that lives in the woods by herself. After the dam broke she just happened to find Lionel and took him back to her cabin to keep herself company - misery style.

Lana heard about Lionel being missing whilst in China so she put her feelers out and got her contacts to find him. They located Marilyn, Lana paid Marilyn to keep Lionel at her cabin until he woke up.

What Lana was planning to do with Lionel after this I don't know!
And I doubt it will ever be explained. Although a drug fueled sex orgy with Lionel and Marilyn sound pretty viable but I think that would be more Marilyn's plan than Lana's :lol:

galatians221

10-27-2007, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by clarkbunny
Ok here's my theory:

Marilyn is just a crazy, lonely pot head or drug dealer that lives in the woods by herself. After the dam broke she just happened to find Lionel and took him back to her cabin to keep herself company - misery style.

Lana heard about Lionel being missing whilst in China so she put her feelers out and got her contacts to find him. They located Marilyn, Lana paid Marilyn to keep Lionel at her cabin until he woke up.

What Lana was planning to do with Lionel after this I don't know!
And I doubt it will ever be explained. Although a drug fueled sex orgy with Lionel and Marilyn sound pretty viable but I think that would be more Marilyn's plan than Lana's :lol:

Lana purchased her land for $50,000 and signed the bill of sale. It had to have been done after Lana got back from China. I agree with your first paragraph but how did Lana find Marilyn or visa versa?

chantal

10-27-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by galatians221
Now both Lex, Lois and Lionel know what's going on and Lois will hopefully unearth the story and Clark will hit the fan when he finds out what Lana was up to. But I still don't have a clue what she hoped to accomplish by having Lionel chained to a bed.

Actually, Lois doesn't know the story. When I froze the article, I couldn't read it very well, but it did say that Lionel was "found wandering beside a highway." Which implies that Lex and Lionel want to keep the cabin, the kidnapping, and presumably the murder of Marilyn a secret. Lois didn't seem to suspect that the LL on the deed was Lana.

Could someone get a nice screen cap of Lois's article? Please?

I would think Lana had to have been planning Lionel's kidnapping before she took off to China. It wouldn't make sense, if she really believed Lionel was a threat to Clark, just to neutralize Lex by getting him framed for murder. She would also have reason to worry about what Lionel might do if he was still on the loose when Lex got framed for murder. He wouldn't just sit by and let his son possibly get the death penalty. Therefore, she had to put him out of commission, too.

clarkbunny

10-28-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by galatians221
Lana purchased her land for $50,000 and signed the bill of sale. It had to have been done after Lana got back from China. I agree with your first paragraph but how did Lana find Marilyn or visa versa?
Well Lana has $10 million, I think she must have paid people to track down Lionel and they traced him to Marilyn's cabin. Then Lana bought the land and paid Marilyn to keep Lionel there.

No-one else was actually really looking for Lionel. Lex (if he bothered) probably had his people look in the dam and around the general area but no major search.

Absentee

10-28-2007, 04:28 PM

Lana didn't know the dam would break nor did she know where to pick up Lionel's body.

Lana is working with someone. My guess one of the JLA possibly Ollie. *cough*

*waits for the whining*

dh1031

10-28-2007, 04:37 PM

Marylin was obviously set-up ahead of time to collect Lionel. With everything else Lana had been doing to get ready for her "disappearance" I'm sure having someone keep track of Lionel's where-abouts to find the opportune moment to grab him would be simple. As far as why she was having him held in that cabin - simple - revenge.

xrayvision

10-28-2007, 04:46 PM

Like I originally said, Lana had a plan to get the hell out of Smallville and never return. She knew if she framed Lex for her murder by using the clone, that Lionel would eventually find out what she did and find her. So she had to take care of both Luthors. She must have searched the land around the dam and found Marilyn living there. She knew Lionel would be at the dam after all the spying he made her do on Lex and anyone with half a brain would know that both Luthors would be there sooner or later. So she must have paid Marilyn to stay by the dam and watch out for Lionel so that when he shows up, she could attack him and take him away. Buying that land for her and putting Marilyn's name on the deed (assuming she did this) was her way of keeping Marilyn quiet.

I'm not sure if she planned to have Lionel kept there forever. Her original plan was to do that while she herself was in China. I'm guessing she would have wired money to Marilyn to have a dungeon built so that Lionel would be placed there for the rest of his days. If he ever escaped, she wouldn't have to worry since she was pronounced dead and was living in China. But things changed when Lex found her.

I don't think any member of the JLA is helping her. I used to think that, but I doubt TPTB would have them dealing with the same shady things Lana's doing.

SecretzNLyz15

10-28-2007, 04:48 PM

What shady things are Lana doing that Ollie or the JLA hasn't done? The JLA has blown up buildings. It's not much of a stretch to think that Lana is working with Ollie.

xrayvision

10-28-2007, 04:55 PM

I didn't like how they blew up those buildings. But at least they didn't pay someone to trap a human in a beartrap and keep them prisoner (or do that themselves). The JLA when capturing someone, at least in the comics since we haven't seen it in the show, hand them over to the authorities. Lana was playing judge, jury, and executioner.

SecretzNLyz15

10-28-2007, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
I didn't like how they blew up those buildings. But at least they didn't pay someone to trap a human in a beartrap and keep them prisoner (or do that themselves). The JLA when capturing someone, at least in the comics since we haven't seen it in the show, hand them over to the authorities. Lana was playing judge, jury, and executioner.

I gotta ask. What evidence says that Lana put Lionel in the bear trap? Why would Lana go to the cabin if Lionel is in a coma? Stare at him? I think Marilyn put Lionel in the bear trap and the first time that Lana came to the cabin was when Marilyn called her.

xrayvision

10-28-2007, 05:02 PM

I'm pretty certain Lana didn't put him in the beartrap. But she must have told Marilyn to do whatever was necessary so that he didn't escape. Had Lana not been involved with her, Lionel would have never been captured and would have been found by the authorities a lot sooner and taken to the hospital.

Blue_Beetle_87

10-28-2007, 05:35 PM

I just gotta say, that line Lana delivers to Marilyn, after she knocks Lionel down really shows how much of a 'Luthor' she's become.

"I dont pay you to make mistakes"

How many times has Lex said that? lol!

Originally posted by chantal
Actually, Lois doesn't know the story. When I froze the article, I couldn't read it very well, but it did say that Lionel was "found wandering beside a highway." Which implies that Lex and Lionel want to keep the cabin, the kidnapping, and presumably the murder of Marilyn a secret. Lois didn't seem to suspect that the LL on the deed was Lana.

Could someone get a nice screen cap of Lois's article? Please?

Sorry, couldn't get a screecap for you but when you do, read the last couple of paragraphs.... it's from episode 1 of season 5, the article bout the death of Genivive and Jason Teague. I think Teague is spelled League in the article.

yeah i know.... geeky! :lol:

SecretzNLyz15

10-28-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm pretty certain Lana didn't put him in the beartrap. But she must have told Marilyn to do whatever was necessary so that he didn't escape. Had Lana not been involved with her, Lionel would have never been captured and would have been found by the authorities a lot sooner and taken to the hospital.

I don't get how this equals Lana torturing Lionel. The only physical abuse that Lana committed was the 'shovel of justice'..lol.

xrayvision

10-28-2007, 05:47 PM

It's just like paying a hitman to kill or torture someone. She is guilty by association.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it that they're writing Lana as doing evil things to finally end her thing with Clark, but that's what they're doing. I think it's a shame they couldn't come up with something better. But based on what they're having Lana involved with, she's supposed to be regarded as crazy or at least psychologically damaged (thanks to everything she's been through). If they continue too far with this, then I can't possibly see how they will leave things off where it would be believable that Clark & Lana are even friends in the future.

SecretzNLyz15

10-28-2007, 05:53 PM

Technically, the only 'torture' was the bear trap and shovel. That's nothing compared to Luthor torturing techniques, that's for sure. I still think that she's working with someone who is as powerful as Lex to bring down Luthorcorp, but she also has a vendetta on the side against the Luthors. I think they'll push Lana's character to brink, but she won't go past it. I think Clark will help her back to the good side and Clana will be fine.

JudasAce

10-28-2007, 06:03 PM

Could someone get a nice screen cap of Lois's article? Please?[/B]

The article is only partially about Luthor's disappearance. The rest is a copy of an article about the second meteor shower.

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071028200021ul5.jpg

galatians221

10-28-2007, 06:16 PM

So.........Lex saved him and forced him to wander alone on the side of a highwayuntil someone else found him? This is getting more and more mysterious.

chantal

10-29-2007, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by JudasAce
The article is only partially about Luthor's disappearance. The rest is a copy of an article about the second meteor shower.

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071028200021ul5.jpg

Thanks!!!

Lois got the story from the Luthors' publicist (not very enterprising of her!) so the whole wandering by the highway story is fake. Covering up for the murder, or maybe Lex is still trying to smooth things over for Lana.

Well, now we know how Lex covered up Genevieve's death. She was mushed by a meteor!

galatians221

10-29-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by chantal
Thanks!!!

Lois got the story from the Luthors' publicist (not very enterprising of her!) so the whole wandering by the highway story is fake. Covering up for the murder, or maybe Lex is still trying to smooth things over for Lana.

Well, now we know how Lex covered up Genevieve's death. She was mushed by a meteor!

It will be interesting to see where Lionel fits into the storyline now. I've always hated his character and right now we don't know if Jor El is finished with him or if he's going to help Clark or hurt him. I really think it's time to kill off his character. If Rosenbaum isn't coming back after this season how can you continue to have his father on the show and not his character. Without Lex in the show Lionel is awkward. Ta Ta Lionel.

Bruce Knight

10-29-2007, 10:06 PM