"Let him go"

[xrayvision]

When Lionel said "Let him go" to Lana who was he referring to? Did he refer to Clark, or was he referring to Lex? By default, I assumed he was referring to Lex because the context of their conversation was Lana's plummet into the same darkness that Lex fell into all because of her hatred and desire to get back at Lex. So I assumed that Lionel meant Lex because only if she lets go of her vendetta against him will she be able to save herself.

[Kid Collins]

I thought he said "Let IT go" which is her desire for retribution that Lionel thinks will destroy her.

[Minela]

Maybe. I also thought when he was talking about revenge he also ment Clark and not just Lex. Which confused me. Is Lana also out to get Clark?

[KU Superdude]

Maybe Bizarro shape shifted into BizzaroLana. Oh it's soooooo on

[Crispin Glover]

He was talking about Lex at one point, the whole baby thing and Clark at another about letting him fulfill his destiny.

[xrayvision]

No, I don't think she has anything against Clark. It's all against the Luthors (though now that Lionel's back, she may not go after him anymore).

[Absentee]

Why would Lana be out to get Clark?

That makes no sense to me.

Lionel was referring to letting Lex go and her hatred towards him before it's too late.

[SecretzNLyz15]

I didn't catch anything about a vendetta against Clark, just Lex.

[operadiva]

Kid Collins..he said to Lana let him go...

[Effect]

Maybe on some level she wants to cause Clark pain the same way Clark has caused her pain by lying to her, etc.. Perhaps in a warped sense she blames or thinks he pushed her to Lex and is the start of where all her troubles with Lex began.

[SecretzNLyz15]

That makes no sense. Lana hasn't done anything to Clark to hurt him except lie about what she's doing to Lex. Nothing directed at Clark.

[xrayvision]

I'm wondering what her lowest point will be. How far will she go until she realizes what she is becoming?

I caught how she tried to make it seem impossible that she was involved in Lionel's kidnapping by saying she was in China. She obviously paid off that woman before she left to do something to Lionel. Perhaps she was supposed to attack him at the dam because Lana knew he would go there, but when the dam broke, she happened to find him KO'd.

[AndiGirl]

I thought he was talking about Clark. Just meaning Let Clark go...before you take him down with you. They were talking about how Lana isn't looking out for Clark at all...so i assumed he meant "if you want to look out for Clark, let him go." Hmm..I dont know.

[xrayvision]

^^I don't think he meant Clark. I think he wants her to stop trying to take Lex down. It seems like he was about to compare her situation with Lex's from seasons 4/5 (when he could have still been saved).

[msleggie]

Yeah, Lionel wasn't talking about Clark, he was telling Lana to let it go, it being the hatred she holds towards Lex as well as himself.

[Clana4Life]

I think Lionel as talking about letting Clark go. Since that's who they were talking about. If he were talking about Lex, he would have included himself in that "let us go." She's not just after Lex, but Lionel, too. He wants her to let Clark go, but I don't know why. Maybe he thinks that she'll bring Clark down with her scheming, too, or maybe he knows that his son will come after her and Clark will be hurt in the crossfires. Lionel seems genuinely concerned about Clark's welfare. In other words - let Clark go, before it's too late and you really break his heart. Because after he finds all of this out, it may really break his heart. :(

[luvinChlark]

But if she hates Lex so much why would she go after Lionel? It was obviously Clark Lionel was refering for Lana "To Let him go", I just watched the scene again...

[SolShine7]

I think he was talking about Lex. That's what's eating her up inside the most.

[LexLuv180]

I think he was referring to Lex. Her obsession with retribution, as he said, is turning her for the worst.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Lana is going after Lex for personal reasons. She's going after Lionel to protect Clark. Remember that Clark didn't tell Lana about Lionel's connection to Jor-el.

[svtwamedfan05]

At first I was like he was talking about Lex but the more I think about how this episode went, maybe it was double meaning. Because remember right after that conversation with Lionel, Lana did go out to tell Clark that maybe he shouldn't stay on the farm because of his powers

[xrayvision]

It has to be Lex. All damage (i.e. Lana getting hurt and retribution Lex can take out against Clark) can end if Lana drops her vendetta. But she won't until something happens.


Originally posted by svtwamedfan05
At first I was like he was talking about Lex but the more I think about how this episode went, maybe it was double meaning. Because remember right after that conversation with Lionel, Lana did go out to tell Clark that maybe he shouldn't stay on the farm because of his powers

That's interesting. It could have a double meaning, but Lionel did say him and not them. I just think he meant Lana letting Lex and her vendetta against him go before she causes great damage. He showed the same concern for her welfare as he did for Lex during season 4 (the concern that ended in Onyx when he realized that Lex was beyond saving).

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I thought he was talking about Clark. Just meaning Let Clark go...before you take him down with you. They were talking about how Lana isn't looking out for Clark at all...so i assumed he meant "if you want to look out for Clark, let him go." Hmm..I dont know.
I agree,I thought he meant let clark go cause lana's intentions on hurtin the luthor's has nothin 2 do wit clark.She in a sense is usin clark since he'd never believe she's capable of hurtin anyone.Plus he did say she wasnt protectin clark,so I assume he was tellin her to let clark go.


Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think Lionel as talking about letting Clark go. Since that's who they were talking about. If he were talking about Lex, he would have included himself in that "let us go." She's not just after Lex, but Lionel, too. He wants her to let Clark go, but I don't know why. Maybe he thinks that she'll bring Clark down with her scheming, too, or maybe he knows that his son will come after her and Clark will be hurt in the crossfires. Lionel seems genuinely concerned about Clark's welfare. In other words - let Clark go, before it's too late and you really break his heart. Because after he finds all of this out, it may really break his heart. :(
agreed,I think he meant let clark go cause her hatred for the luthor's will effect clark later.I mean he's already sayin he wants to stay on the farm now :rolleyes: .It makes me wonder why is she truly wit clark,she could get back at the luthor's on her own

[Clana4Life]

It was Clark. Why would Lionel say "let Lex go?" Lana's vendetta is against both Luthors, not just Lex. It would really be let "us" go or more likely, let "IT" go as in your vendetta against both of us Luthors. She's not holding onto Lex, she's holding on to anger. Therefore, Lionel would have said "it" but since he said "him," I think he was referring to Clark. Does anyone have captions? I'm not 100% sure that Lionel said him. I kept playing it over and over again, but it could have been "it". Captions anyone?

[CeeJ]

Ok, now i'm totally confused. I've read so many opinions I can't remember what was really said in the scene. does anyone know where to get a script?

[xrayvision]

I still say it was Lex. Lionel didn't know what Clark said about staying on the farm with Lana. The point of that conversation was not about Clark. It was about Lana ending up like Lex. So by Lionel saying let Clark go and continuing to go after Lex, she would end up the same way. Plus, Lionel is smart enough to know that even if she tries to let Clark go, he won't let her go because he will be suspicious. And it won't make sense if he told her to let Clark go, yet it's OK for her to go after the Luthors. Why would Lionel want Lana to continue going after him and Lex? She would likely end up dead, and Clark would perhaps blame him.

That's why I say he meant Lex. By letting Lex (i.e. her hatred for Lex) go, her problems would end. After all, Lex was the one who wronged her. Lionel, though using quetionable methods, was just trying to protect Clark. I think her main reason for wanting him kidnapped was to keep him from finding out what she was up to, which he already did within 1 episode.


Originally posted by CeeJ
Ok, now i'm totally confused. I've read so many opinions I can't remember what was really said in the scene. does anyone know where to get a script?

I'm sure it was "Let him go".

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by Absentee
Why would Lana be out to get Clark?

That makes no sense to me.

Lionel was referring to letting Lex go and her hatred towards him before it's too late.

yea i agree...she needs to though and just concentrate on her and clark being together..<3

[xrayvision]

I just watched it again. It was "Let him go". Lionel was talking about Lana's intentions not being good after she asked him "You're not going to spread these lies?". Prior to that, he told her about the dark hole she can fall into. The only thing he said about Clark is that she's not trying to protect him and that her intentions rather than protecting Clark are to hurt Lex. So "Let him go" has to refer to Lex because he was trying to stop her from continuing her true intentions, i.e. hurting Lex.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think Lionel as talking about letting Clark go. Since that's who they were talking about. If he were talking about Lex, he would have included himself in that "let us go." She's not just after Lex, but Lionel, too. He wants her to let Clark go, but I don't know why. Maybe he thinks that she'll bring Clark down with her scheming, too, or maybe he knows that his son will come after her and Clark will be hurt in the crossfires. Lionel seems genuinely concerned about Clark's welfare. In other words - let Clark go, before it's too late and you really break his heart. Because after he finds all of this out, it may really break his heart. :(

i think hes talkin bout lex....not clark

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
i think hes talkin bout lex....not clark

Yup. Lionel was concerned for Lana in that scene. He only mentioned Clark because Lana is using protecting him as her justification of what she is doing. But he knows better that her intentions are not to protect Clark but hurt Lex. So he was telling her to let Lex and all her hatred towards him go before the same thing that happened to Lex & himself also happen to her. That speech had nothing to do about Clark's welfare or his destiny. It was all about Lana and what will happen to her.

[Brizzle]

I think Lionel was referring to Clark and also warning Lana that she needs to stop trying to go after Lex becuz then she will find herself in a dark place and not like who she has become and also that she could get hurt by trying to bring down Lex.

My question is what is she really up to? I mean I know she is trying to bring Lex down, but something seems a little off, like there is something else she is trying to do.

[xrayvision]

If that conversation was about Clark's welfare or his destiny, I would agree it was Clark he referred to as "him" in that line. But it was all about Lana's destiny and how she is at a point where she, like Lex & Lionel could fall into the abyss or stop going after Lex (i.e. letting him (Lex) go) and saving herself. Like I said, Clark was only brought up by Lionel as Lana's justification for doing what she's doing. And he didn't buy that it had anything to do with Clark. So I think it's pretty much impossible that he could have referred to Clark.

[chantal]

This is the topic that needs to have a poll!

At first I though he meant Clark, but on a second viewing I think he means Lex. Though Lionel may be a stand in for Jor El, first and foremost he is Lex's father and that's who his main concern is for. I also don't think Lionel would be particularly worried about Lana breaking poor, wittle Clark's heart. He wouldn't think any woman was worth that. And that's really the only harm Lana could do to Clark. Unless she again drives Clark to try to kill Lex!

[SVfan4ever]

The conversation:
Lana: I hope you don't plan on spreading these lies to Clark.
Lionel: Lies. I don't believe your good intentions. You're not trying to protect Clark. This is about retribution. Let him go Lana, before its to late.
I think Lionel was referring to Lex/retribution.

[angeloo]

lionel was telling lana to let clark go, so that he can fulfil his destiny already and stop bothering with lana and go and save the world

[Barrage]

I was sure Lionel was talking about Clark,
but after reading the dialogue, with it's
context right after the word "retribution"-
he's definitely talking about Lex.

[ginnyfan]

I liked that Lionel directing Lana's attention to Clark seemed to soften her. I also liked that she tried to... give Clark an out in a sort of sidelong way. She connected it to the whole psycho fan thing but I think it was directly in response to Lionel's words.

[paolinki25]

I believe he was talking about Lex, and Lana letting go of this obsession to destroy him now.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I liked that Lionel directing Lana's attention to Clark seemed to soften her. I also liked that she tried to... give Clark an out in a sort of sidelong way. She connected it to the whole psycho fan thing but I think it was directly in response to Lionel's words.

It was very interesting. Lana has played mind games with Clark by telling him things that would anger him and make him lash out against Lex & Lionel (he would have killed both in Phantom). Now Lionel's doing that to Lana.

[luvinChlark]

Originally posted by SVfan4ever
The conversation:
Lana: I hope you don't plan on spreading these lies to Clark.
Lionel: Lies. I don't believe your good intentions. You're not trying to protect Clark. This is about retribution. Let him go Lana, before its to late.
I think Lionel was referring to Lex/retribution.


He was just talking about Clark, if he was talking about Lex he would have said LEX. Lionel didn't mention anything about Lex, its Clark....duh! :lol:

[xrayvision]

It's not that he was talking about Clark. Clark was not the subject of that conversation. It was about Lana falling into the same abyss that Lex & Lionel fell in. Lionel only 1 time mentioned Clark, and that was when he used him to disspell Lana's justification of doing what she's doing to Lex. She wrote off his warning to her as lies. So Lionel said that she is not doing what she's doing (i.e. going after Lex) to protect Clark. The subject of that conversation was Lana's possible downfall like Lex & Lionel. It had nothing to do with Clark's welfare needing protection from Lex. That was never mentioned until he used it to show Lana's motives for what they are (impure, evil) and not to protect Clark. So in a conversation that was *not* about Clark's welfare or his destiny, "him" in that quote had to be Lex, because letting Lex go will be the difference between Lana ending up like Lex or being saved from such a fate.

There were 2 main parts of this episode. Clark's destiny was one and Lana's destiny was the other. The Warrior Angel movie and all the characters and Lana were involved in the Clark's destiny portion of the episode. Lana & Lionel (and perhaps Lex and Lois) were the characters involved in the Lana's destiny portion of the episode. It's clear Lionel wasn't involved in any scene regarding the Warrior Angel movie and what that fan was saying about heroes being motivated and being need to let go by people like Lana. In Action, Lionel was strictly involved with the plot regarding Lana's increasing darkness due to her vendetta against Lex. So that reference has to be Lex.

[luvinChlark]

^^^

I still think its Clark, Lionel isn't stupid, if he was meaning Lex he should have said "Let Lex go, before its to late"<- and even that doesn't make any sense, why would it be to late?

[theotherJane]

That line is really vague and I love the way he worded it because you can really argue both ways.

IMO, he was talking about Lex because he thinks that if she continues with her evil ways, she will become so consumed by her rage almost to the point of no return.
It's almost as if he was talking about himself.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by luvinChlark
^^^

I still think its Clark, Lionel isn't stupid, if he was meaning Lex he should have said "Let Lex go, before its to late"<- and even that doesn't make any sense, why would it be to late?

Because as seen with Lex, there's a certain point beyond which someone can't be saved and they are too far gone.

The reason why he didn't say let Lex go was because both he & Lana knew who he was referring to (Lex). They both knew the reason Lana was seeking retribution. Like I said, you can't take the line before he said "Let him go". You have to take the whole conversation into context. The conversation was about saving Lana from herself, not about saving Clark. Lionel has no reason to worry about Clark for now. He knows that just as it happened with Lex (he said those who are close to you will always know your true nature), it will happen to Lana if she continues her current behavior and stays with Clark (Clark will see her for what she truly is).

Even if she listened to Lionel and left Clark but continued to press on against Lex, Clark would still be after her to find out why she left him (as he was in episodes like Nemesis, Noir, and Prototype after she married Lex in Promise) and find out the truth about what Lana's up to. So if he wants Lana to leave Clark, it will happen whether she stays with him or not. And that wasn't the point. The point of his presence in the barn was about saving Lana. Otherwise, he could go straight to Clark and either directly reveal what Lana is up to or provide clues so Clark could find out himself to break them up and get Clark focused. Because Lionel is not exposing Lana to Clark, his motives are not to get Lana away from him. He pretty much wants to correct the mistakes he made as a parent to Lex and save Lana from becoming like Lex. He's basically trying to become her father figure, which is most interesting.

[luvinChlark]

^^ idk I'm getting really confused, the last scene it seemed like Lana was letting Clark go b/c of what Lionel and that man said that pushed her off the building. But I'll have to see the scene again.

[umm]

Originally posted by xrayvision
When Lionel said "Let him go" to Lana who was he referring to? Did he refer to Clark, or was he referring to Lex? By default, I assumed he was referring to Lex because the context of their conversation was Lana's plummet into the same darkness that Lex fell into all because of her hatred and desire to get back at Lex. So I assumed that Lionel meant Lex because only if she lets go of her vendetta against him will she be able to save herself.

I think he refered to both of them! To Clark, because she is partly holding him back, I mean I hardly doubt she is the type, to understand why her lifepartner is missing dinner night after night, and spending little time with her! Even if it is to save the world! Chloe, and even Lois could be able to understand it, but Lana, in the long run, no!
Secondly, Lionel meant Lex as well, because Lana's hatred for Lex, although she has every right, is plummeting her further and further towards a darkness of mind she wont be able to come out of! Her revenge against Lex will for all intence and purposes cost her her soul!

[xrayvision]

When Lana lets him go, you will know it. As a matter of fact, I think it will be the other way around.


Originally posted by umm
I think he refered to both of them! To Clark, because she is partly holding him back, I mean I hardly doubt she is the type, to understand why her lifepartner is missing dinner night after night, and spending little time with her! Even if it is to save the world! Chloe, and even Lois could be able to understand it, but Lana, in the long run, no!
Secondly, Lionel meant Lex as well, because Lana's hatred for Lex, although she has every right, is plummeting he further and further towards a darkness of mind she wont be able to come out of! Her revenge against Lex will for all intence and purposes cost her her soul!

Well because he said him and not them, I'm sure he meant only 1 person. And based on the context of the conversation as a whole and what Lionel was involved in (in Action), I would have to say it was Lex. Lionel wasn't around for the whole "a hero's girlfriend would hold him back" theme of the episode. He was trapped thanks to Lana. So naturally he would have to be talking about what's making Lana do such crazy things (Lex).

[theotherJane]

Originally posted by xrayvision
He pretty much wants to correct the mistakes he made as a parent to Lex and save Lana from becoming like Lex.

Yes!

Or becoming like himself...

Either way he's certainly speaking from experience.

[Saber]

It’s funny how we all saw that scene differently. My first impression was that Lionel was talking about Clark. For Lana to let him go because she was a Luthor and the innocent act she is portraying now isn’t going to work to keep him. I felt he was saying to her she is too contemptuous and no longer pure of heart to be with Clark. So basically let him go and move on.