The most interesting Lana ever.

[Timester]

It took AlMiles 7 years to finally come with a Lana plot (and character) that I really like. Finally I can "hate" Lana for she being evil. Finally I have the pleasure of seeing someone calling Lana crazy and calling her off for her BS. Finally I see a Lana more focused on her objective that pissing of Clark and/or Lex with "secrets and lies" or jealousy.

The only thing I ask, AlMiles, do not end the arc with a "Saint Lana Redemption". I want Lana suffering the fallout of what she did.

[SecretzNLyz15]

All they have to do is say that Lana was working with someone powerful to stop the Luthors and it's fine. Probably Ollie.

[uhhuhhim]

I think she's experiencing Clark's duality in her own way. She's leading a double life as much as he is, yet Clark doesn't know about hers. She can't decide if she wants to be "light" or "dark." Plus, she's lost it. That sociopathic smile when she was talking to Lionel made her look so evil it made me sick, but in a good way.

[liebevision]

the only good lana is a dead lana....

[Dodge006]

LOL, that's like saying, I had my most interesting root canal.

[redeem147]

I think (even though Lionel is a bad, bad man) keeping him tied up with a bear trap on his arm is something even Ollie won't look 'fine' with.

I do think this storyline shows that Kristen can do good work when not hampered by a boring character.

[Timester]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
All they have to do is say that Lana was working with someone powerful to stop the Luthors and it's fine. Probably Ollie.

Yeah, Ollie forced Lana to whack Lionel with a shovel...

Lana is doing all this by herself, plain and simple.


Originally posted by Dodge006
LOL, that's like saying, I had my most interesting root canal.

Yeah, silly me to congrat a good story when I see one... :rolleyes:


Originally posted by uhhuhhim
That sociopathic smile when she was talking to Lionel made her look so evil it made me sick, but in a good way.

Me too. I never tought I would like Lana. :o

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Timester
Yeah, Ollie forced Lana to whack Lionel with a shovel...

Lana is doing all this by herself, plain and simple.



Yeah, silly me to congrat a good story when I see one... :rolleyes:



Me too. I never tought I would like Lana. :o

No, I meant the whole spying, vendetta thing against the Luthors. She could be working with Ollie and/or the JLA to bring down Lex. I know that Lana should be called out for whacking someone with a shovel.

[Timester]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
No, I meant the whole spying, vendetta thing against the Luthors. She could be working with Ollie and/or the JLA to bring down Lex. I know that Lana should be called out for whacking someone with a shovel.

I can answer to that, but it would be spoilerish. All I can say is, Wrath. ;)

[simaozinho200]

i am really starting to hate lana she just bores me

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Timester
I can answer to that, but it would be spoilerish. All I can say is, Wrath. ;)

True, but that doesn't mean she's not in contact with Ollie or the JLA. What causes future spoilers to happen? Sorry for being vague, but I'm trying not to post spoilers.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Timester
It took AlMiles 7 years to finally come with a Lana plot (and character) that I really like. Finally I can "hate" Lana for she being evil. Finally I have the pleasure of seeing someone calling Lana crazy and calling her off for her BS. Finally I see a Lana more focused on her objective that pissing of Clark and/or Lex with "secrets and lies" or jealousy.

The only thing I ask, AlMiles, do not end the arc with a "Saint Lana Redemption". I want Lana suffering the fallout of what she did.

Well, I expect that Lana's suffering will end up mostly being that Clark leaves her. I won't mind if she eventually redeems herself in the long run, especially if Clark helps her to do so. As friends. Which really seems like it would hurt Lana more than anything else, even if she is grateful to Clark for helping her.

[Alexander III]

I'd rather watch Isabel than this stupid evil Lana. Isabel was evily SEXY!! And this stupid evil Lana is deadly annoying.

[Thil_EL]

I still hate her.

[paolinki25]

I'd like to share your optimism, Timester, but I'm pretty certain that Lana will be reedeemed by the end of the season and Clark will forgive and forget everything she did. Like previous "dark Lana" plots, it won't go anywhere.

[simaozinho200]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
True, but that doesn't mean she's not in contact with Ollie or the JLA. What causes future spoilers to happen? Sorry for being vague, but I'm trying not to post spoilers.

Don't worry i have seen the spolier page already

[Minela]

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I think she's experiencing Clark's duality in her own way. She's leading a double life as much as he is, yet Clark doesn't know about hers. She can't decide if she wants to be "light" or "dark." Plus, she's lost it. That sociopathic smile when she was talking to Lionel made her look so evil it made me sick, but in a good way.

Except that Clark was/is never evil and never will be. Both Clark's dual identities are good. Lana is just psycho.

[savingpeoplething]

The only interesting Lana to me is EVILLana.
I actually got really giddy when she smacked Lionel with the shovel and appeared in the woods with all black and proceeded to lie to Clark on the phone.

She's developed those Luthor instincts and that makes me happy.

I want FULL-ON EvilLana.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Timester
It took AlMiles 7 years to finally come with a Lana plot (and character) that I really like. Finally I can "hate" Lana for she being evil. Finally I have the pleasure of seeing someone calling Lana crazy and calling her off for her BS. Finally I see a Lana more focused on her objective that pissing of Clark and/or Lex with "secrets and lies" or jealousy.

The only thing I ask, AlMiles, do not end the arc with a "Saint Lana Redemption". I want Lana suffering the fallout of what she did.

Completley agree. This is my favorite Lana yet. Can't wait for Clark to find out...although I'm a bit nervous. They might just decide to redeem her before he finds out about her psycho ways.

[SolShine7]

Lana was interesting from the get-go. If she wasn't, there wouldn't be a Smallville. Whether you like her character or not, you know she was needed.

But I get what you're saying...it's been a long time since Lana had that ignitial fire and appeal storyline wise. It's getting good!!!!

[SteveS]

I don't hate her, but the conniving and slightly malevolent Lana is excellently written and performed. On the other hand, I want to see her redeemed, but it may not happen. KK is an exotic little beauty that really can act, as opposed to some who are just posers.

[Clana4Life]

No one has said this, but what if Lana breaks it off with Clark? What if Clark really does help her to see the light and she realizes that she's really messed up and she needs to get some help? She needs to get healthy before she can be in any sort of relationship. She could break it off. She could tell him that she needs to get healthy before she can be with him. I don't think that evil Lana will run Clark away. NOTHING will change his feelings for her, but she certainly can end it, especially when she thinks that what's best for Clark. Her conversation at the end of tonight's episode proves that. She doesn't want to hold him back when so many people need him, and if comes to grips that she is unhealthy and not good for him in her current state, she might end things until she can get better. Clark might pledge to wait for her, but by the time he is out of FOS, she is already married to Pete or whomever they put her with.

[Absentee]

Lana will be fine.

Everyone was waiting for a full-blown evil Lana last season and after the last episode aired they were all left in the dump.

Trust me, Lana will not be a villain nor is she going to be evil. I think she's more in the area of a "Gray" Lana at this point especially after that scene with Lionel. You can see she's torn apart. She's definitely going through some self conflict and soon enough she'll see the light.

Even the choice of color for her clothing in that scene with Lionel shows who's really evil and who isn't. Lana in white. Lionel in black. We know how big SV is when it comes to being symbolic.

[Clana4Life]

I love your profile pic, Absentee. Is that a picture of Tom and Kristen from Season 1? They look like kids; they're so cute.

[CountryGirl84]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
I want FULL-ON EvilLana.

I think we're getting full on evil Lana. I think the duality makes her more evil because really it makes what she is doing even worse. Its dirty and manipulative and she's using Clark for something (I think).
Its GREAT!

[Minela]

Originally posted by Absentee
Lana will be fine.

Everyone was waiting for a full-blown evil Lana last season and after the last episode aired they were all left in the dump.

Trust me, Lana will not be a villain nor is she going to be evil. I think she's more in the area of a "Gray" Lana at this point especially after that scene with Lionel. You can see she's torn apart. She's definitely going through some self conflict and soon enough she'll see the light.

Even the choice of color for her clothing in that scene with Lionel shows who's really evil and who isn't. Lana in white. Lionel in black. We know how big SV is when it comes to being symbolic.

I'm sorry, but that is not what happened in that scene. First off, they show Lana in white when she is pretending to be good, and than she is in black when she is in her true colors. Lionel was calling her out on her actions and she was denying it, being very psychotic about it. There was no indication that she was struggling with her choices. She was deffenitley trying to play Lionel for a fool. But the MB is back!!! Can't fool Lionel!!! I hope he stays around so his genious can rub off on Lex. :D

[Absentee]

Originally posted by Minela
I'm sorry, but that is not what happened in that scene. First off, they show Lana in white when she is pretending to be good, and than she is in black when she is in her true colors. Lionel was calling her out on her actions and she was denying it, being very psychotic about it. There was no indication that she was struggling with her choices. She was deffenitley trying to play Lionel for a fool. But the MB is back!!! Can't fool Lionel!!! I hope he stays around so his genious can rub off on Lex. :D

Lana practically had tears in her eyes when she wasn't facing Lionel. Trust me, it's there. I've seen 92384932 times. I've watched the same scene since last night.

You can see it in her face. She's struggling but trying to keep it together.

As for the MB, we all knew he wouldn't be on the good side forever. Just like Lana won't be "evil" for long.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by liebevision
the only good lana is a dead lana....

Not!..i love lana and i think lex and lionel deserve wat lana is doin..she just wants to get back at them...

[red_cape_7]

i think the writers are finally creating a situation where clark will be able to fall out of love with her. the lana that returned is definitely not the lana that clark fell in love with. once he realizes that he's to lose the love-blindness that's kept clana alive for 7 seasons. of course, it's going to take a while for this to happen so i can't wait to watch the downward spiral...

[Timester]

Originally posted by Absentee
Lana will be fine.

Everyone was waiting for a full-blown evil Lana last season and after the last episode aired they were all left in the dump.

Trust me, Lana will not be a villain nor is she going to be evil. I think she's more in the area of a "Gray" Lana at this point especially after that scene with Lionel. You can see she's torn apart. She's definitely going through some self conflict and soon enough she'll see the light.

Even the choice of color for her clothing in that scene with Lionel shows who's really evil and who isn't. Lana in white. Lionel in black. We know how big SV is when it comes to being symbolic.

Oh please, that line stopped working the day she faked her own death (yep, Lionel said the same). She is not torn apart, she didn't cried. She whacked Lionel with a shovel and the next minute she was lying to Clark of where she was. That is the acting of a villain.

Sorry, but this time the "Saint Lana" explanation doesn't work.

[CallMeClark]

Timester, you are so right. Lana was actually interesting tonight. very interesting. I loved it!

[velocity]

I think i know this show well enough that i can anticipate exactly what will happen regarding Lana/Clana. (with a little help from spoilers, of course)

She's already torn and know that what she is doing is wrong, that was clear as day in the scene with Lionel. So, she is not a sociopath.

All her anger will be unleashed in Wrath, and Clark will find out about everything (what Lex did to her and her taking revenge on both him and Lionel).

Things will be sore, Clark will be very disappointed and maybe distance himself from her. Lana will be appalled by her own actions while having Clark's powers and realize that she might loose him over her vandetta. She will see the light, Clark will give her a second chance and they can finally have a true relationship.

Might not be realistic, i know - She could definitely use therapy after her relationship with Lex - but this is the seventh season, i highly doubt they would waste screentime on that.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I understand Lana is mad at Lionel for forcing her to marry lex. I get that point.
But its lana's fault in the first place for sleeping/dating Lex. If lana has so much hate for lionel, for making her marry Lex where was this regret before she started dating Lex?

[Dew_drops]

For those who say she wont be redeemed - we shall watch and see no?

[Dustmite]

I would find this arc interesting if I wasn't so sure that Lana will be redeemed instantly and that Clark will forgive and understand her, blaming everyone but her for her actions. I don't think there will be any fallout from this arc as it'll all be brushed under the carpet when TPTB want to bring a non-conflicted good Lana back without showing just how Lana lets go of the pain and rage making her do the things she is currently doing.


For those who say she wont be redeemed - we shall watch and see no?

Of course she will and pretty much instantly. That's my whole problem with this.

[margroks]

Lana has been the backstabbing psycho girl ever since we first met her; this is not a new development. She's just fooled a lot of people with her I'm so sweet routine and I'm the poor girl who lost her parents in the meteor shower so feel sorry for me and worship me-facade. This is the girl she's always been and it makes Clark look like a moron to keep giving her a pass on all her nasty behavior. SHe should have been kicked to the curb many seasons ago. Pleas Lionel, talk to Clark and knock some sense into him. Tell him all the nasty things this girl has done and maybe he'll see the light.

Even so, the Clana has reached newer and even more nauseating heights. Please stop now. We got that she was a horrible giorl long ago and that Calrk is an idiot for ever wanting her as a friend much less a GF so that's enough.

[Timester]

Originally posted by margroks
Lana has been the backstabbing psycho girl ever since we first met her; this is not a new development. She's just fooled a lot of people with her I'm so sweet routine and I'm the poor girl who lost her parents in the meteor shower so feel sorry for me and worship me-facade. This is the girl she's always been and it makes Clark look like a moron to keep giving her a pass on all her nasty behavior. SHe should have been kicked to the curb many seasons ago. Pleas Lionel, talk to Clark and knock some sense into him. Tell him all the nasty things this girl has done and maybe he'll see the light.

Even so, the Clana has reached newer and even more nauseating heights. Please stop now. We got that she was a horrible giorl long ago and that Calrk is an idiot for ever wanting her as a friend much less a GF so that's enough.

My point is this time they are writing her as a villain on purpose. No longer more is the eye-gauging "pewfect" Lana doing all the crap. Now we can hate her for being full-blown evil and IMO is a good development.

[Theshadow129x]

it doesnt matter what shes doing, she needs to be gone. she must have lost her marbles if she thinks she can mingle with the luthor's. In the words of Lex : "You are playing a very dangerous game. I hope you know what you're getting yourself into."

[Absentee]

You can say she's a full-blown villain all you want but I know for a fact that Lana's not what you think she is nor was she EVER meant to be evil. I guess you'll have to wait and see. Heh.

I think I remember last year saying Clana will be back together again and people didn't want to believe it, saying "Clana's dead. It's OVER! She was with Lex. Clark will never take her back!" Oh well. Guess you should've listened to me :lol: :p

Oh and that rumor that started the whole Lana living at the farm with Clark.... that was me. It actually originated from Sweet. I dropped that tidbit just a few days after "Phantom" aired.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Absentee
You can say she's a full-blown villain all you want but I know for a fact that Lana's not what you think she is nor was she EVER meant to be evil. I guess you'll have to wait and see. Heh.

This is not a opinion, it's a fact from what happened on the episode. Lana whacked Lionel with a shovel, *****ed Marylin from letting him run away and then lied with all the teeth she has to Clark. That was so Luthor-like that even a blind man would have seen.

Sorry, but this time there is no other explanation and even the show passed that image, with Lionel's talking on the loft.


Originally posted by Absentee
I think I remember last year saying Clana will be back together again and people didn't want to believe it, saying "Clana's dead. It's OVER! She was with Lex. Clark will never take her back!" Oh well. Guess you should've listened to me :lol: :p

Bzzz, nope, doesn't work with me. I believed on the clone theory and was one of the few behind it.

And, hey, I'm not the one having problems with Evil Lana. It seems that you do have.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by Absentee
You can say she's a full-blown villain all you want but I know for a fact that Lana's not what you think she is nor was she EVER meant to be evil. I guess you'll have to wait and see. Heh.


Quite a few people perceive Lana's actions to be evil. It's their opinion and the're entitled to it. No doubt the other characters on the show will justify her actions but evil or not, what we're seeing right now are not the actions of a 'good person'. If she is right in what she is doing then why does she not tell Clark and they can take turns in hitting Lionel on the head with a shovel.

[Minela]

I'm totally with you Timster. I like this new development, precisely because she is an outed villain. Lana has stepped out of the evil closet. She is about to have an Evil Pride parade. And we are justfied without a shread of doubt that she is EVIL and should be treated as a villain. Curiously, this new developement has made me like her more than before.

[Absentee]

I don't have a problem with "Dark" Lana. I don't condone her actions but at the same I understant WHY she's the way she is right now. She's not evil to me nor is she a villain.

I'll have to quote Ryan because he explained this perfectly.

"What makes Lana so intersting right now is she's making the 'wrong decisions' but for the 'right reasons.' It's the very thing that in effect make Ollie (Green Arrow), or say Batman more interesting than Superman. Lana, IMO, has more to teach the human race than a person who will utlimately always make the right decision because HE'S PRE-DESTINED to.

I have zero problem with Lana's behavior "at the moment" because it will lead her to self-discovery. That's the human experience. That's what living is about. I find her present journey fascinating and enlightening. Not so far fetched and not a turn-off.

She may not be making the best decisions right now or going about accomplishing her objectives with the correct moral compass but in her heart she's doing the right thing. And in that regard I find her journey a lot more interesting than anyone else's on the show. Her pain and anger is palpable. It's in her eyes. It's in her body language. I believe in Lana's moral virtues and I believe at the end of the journey she will be able to rectify and come to terms with her past. And not because she got self-serving advice from Lionel, or bc ultimately Clark represents some perfect ideology of pseudo human behavior despite the fact no matter how much I'd like him to be, he's not human. But because INNATELY, Lana is a good person, who believes in justice and fairness, and right and wrong, and the end does not justify the means."

[Timester]

Heck, Marylin was growing pot with the money that Lana paid to her. Most certainly Lana knew that and she didn't cared a bit. Evil Lana I say. :p

[83kaL]

I actually like her, whenever Clark sees it, he'll be up for the tights :D , And it's finally what a lots of people wanted to see I think...

[Timester]

Originally posted by Absentee
But because INNATELY, Lana is a good person, who believes in justice and fairness, and right and wrong, and the end does not justify the means."

Many physco killers also believe that they are doing the right thing.

NOTHING justifies what Lana is doing. The moment she whackes Lionel, she stop being a good person. There is no other side of the question.

[Minela]

I don't believe in the "Lana is not evil because her actions will be excused due to here noble heart". And don't put Lana in the same boat as Batman. Batman NEVER did anything like Lana did. Batman never payed some psycho to torture his enemy, and Batman has a very strong moral code. He never killed intentionally and out of anger. And Ollie, was just stealing from the corrupt and giving it to the needy, Robin Hood style. He never tortured his enemies while pretending to be glad they are safe and sound. By the reasoning that Lana is acting out of the goodness of her heart, than a lot of criminals would not have been procecuted by the law. Like the guy in "Seven", he was killing the people according to the seven deady sins because he was doing it for "good" reasons according to him. Most psychos and serial killers believe their actions are justified because they are doing it for a greater good. All terrorists are doing what they are doing because they believe in the deapths of their souls and mind that they are doing the absolute right thing, and that they are protecting their people. Genocide, wars, witch burnings, etc. were all done in order to "protect" something else and because the people doing those things were convinced they were doing the right thing.

So no, I don't believe Lana should be forgiven for what she has done in this episode. What she did should be punished by the law.

[superpal1]

Lana's actions can not be forgiven or written off. She over stepped a line with the torturing of Lionel. I believe that at the end of the season, it will be Clark who will stop her and have to send her to jail.

[Absentee]

Originally posted by Minela

So no, I don't believe Lana should be forgiven for what she has done in this episode. What she did should be punished by the law.

And so do Lex and Lionel but you still see them walking freely.

I don't see anyone here complaining about those two. They ACTUALLY killed people and yet many of the members here tend to overlook that fact unless ofcourse it's LANA. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah! Lets send Lana to jail but lets overlook Lionel's action because he's NOT as evil as her. I mean, all he did was bashed that woman's head in. :rolleyes:

Might I add that everyone didn't make a huge deal when Lionel all of a sudden turned "good." Everyone just sort of accepted it and forgot all the horrible things he did to others. If anything people praised the MB! Amazing.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Absentee
And so do Lex and Lionel but you still see them walking freely.

I don't see anyone here complaining about those two. They ACTUALLY killed people and yet many of the members here tend to overlook that fact unless ofcourse it's LANA. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah! Lets send Lana to jail but lets overlook Lionel's action because he's NOT as evil as her. I mean, all he did was bashed that woman's head in. :rolleyes:

Might I add that everyone didn't make a huge deal when Lionel all of a sudden turned "good." Everyone just sort of accepted it and forgot all the horrible things he did to others. If anything people praised the MB! Amazing.

Because Lex and Lionel are villains. That's all my point. They are interesting doing those things because they are supposed to do it. The same thing with Lana now that she is a villain.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by Absentee
Lana, IMO, has more to teach the human race than a person who will utlimately always make the right decision because HE'S PRE-DESTINED to.

And in that regard I find her journey a lot more interesting than anyone else's on the show.

Clark is not pre-destined to always make the right decision. For God's sake the show has shown him make more then one mistake. And it's not his powers that make him Superman, it's his humanity and willingness to help others and the rigid moral code that his parents instilled in him and that he will live by.

What exactly is Lana's journey going to teach the world. That retribution and revenge can corrupt and twist you and that ultimately you have to let go of that rage before it consumes you. It's a good lesson and one that must of us already know but it can never be compared to the journey Clark Kent makes. Not in my book anyway.

[Absentee]

Well I've explained myself enough.

We'll just have to continue this once Lana is redeemed because you know she will be. Isn't it great? :p

But it doesn't really matter because she'll still be a villain no matter what and will continue to be a threat until SV's last episode of the series.

[velocity]

Originally posted by Minela
What she did should be punished by the law.
Of course, but then pretty much every character would be in jail right now. I can't even count all the times Clark, Chloe and Lois has broken the law by breaking and entering.

There's no evil parade coming to town, and she's no villain yet. That was the whole point of the Lana/Lionel scene, however if she continues down this path she will become one. She practically had tears in her eyes while she wasn't facing Lionel, so she knows that what she's doing is wrong and she has a conscience - so there's no need to compare Lana to sociopaths and serial killers.

I'm glad Lionel reminded her of the fact that she's not doing this to protect Clark, not anymore.

Altough Lana is out in deep water now with a dangerous vandetta, she will never become a villain. After Wrath, she will see the light and change her recent ways.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Absentee
Well I've explained myself enough.

We'll just have to continue this once Lana is redeemed because you know she will be. Isn't it great? :p

But it doesn't really matter because she'll still be a villain no matter what and will continue to be a threat until SV's last episode of the series.

In the words of Steven Colbert; "I accept your apology."

[BadToad]

Oh yeah! Lets send Lana to jail but lets overlook Lionel's action because he's NOT as evil as her. I mean, all he did was bashed that woman's head in.

A woman who was there, and holding Lionel hostage, due to LANA. A woman who was obviously disturbed, and Lana took advantage of that fact to use her in her scheme against Lionel. No doubt Lionel brutally killed that woman, who was holding him hostage and did put his hand in the beartrap. But would that woman be dead if Lana hadn't set that whole thing in motion? If Lionel is a murderer, there can be no doubt that Lana is the accomplice in it.

But yet Lana is a good person doing the right thing for the wrong reason? Is there ever a good reason to use someone mentally unbalanced in your scheme, then not even remotely register your culpability in their death? Because Lana was most assuredly cupable.

As far as Clark being perfect, is that a joke? :lol: On this show, where they constantly put him in no win situations? And constantly have him making some rather ridiculous choices, usually for the sake of Lana-propping? Sorry, I'm not so much buying that Clark's been set as this perfect paragon of virtue.

Now Lana?

As far as Lana being absolved and totally skating, oh, I agree she will. It won't matter how many characters (most notably Clark) they have to tear down to get there. They will get there. It ain't nicknamed "Lanaville" for nothing. :rolleyes:

People don't expect Lex or Lionel to adhere to any sort of moral code. And pretty much everyone on the show reacts to Lex in such a way as to express that they think him villianous. With Lionel, its been far more ambigious, but aside from Martha, I don't think the characters are taking him into a loving embrace. And its fine if Lana falls more into that side of things. As I've said before, a Luthor free-for-all with Lana/Lex/Lionel all going at each other sounds like great fun. Can we just not cover Clark in crap in the fallout? There are still some of us that believe that show should be about CLARK, not LANA. I know, what a radical concept :rolleyes:

[Valerie]

Unfortunately the writers love to consistantly excuse Lana's behavior. In most scenero's Lana does something wrong and Clark either blames himself, someone else, or circumstances, ect...
Where-as if Chloe does something wrong Clark is angry with her and eventually forgives her after she apologizes. If Clark would take off his Lana blinders and be angry with her once in awhile, I would probably like her better. As it is her poor-little-misunderstood-orphan facade is boring and irritating. They are giving her some edge now, but if they end it with a, "poor little mistreated girl can't be held responsible" routine, I will be disgusted.

[Absentee]

Originally posted by BadToad
A woman who was there, and holding Lionel hostage, due to LANA. A woman who was obviously disturbed, and Lana took advantage of that fact to use her in her scheme against Lionel. No doubt Lionel brutally killed that woman, who was holding him hostage and did put his hand in the beartrap. But would that woman be dead if Lana hadn't set that whole thing in motion? If Lionel is a murderer, there can be no doubt that Lana is the accomplice in it.


Interesting you brought this up. Doesn't this apply to Lana as well? Would Lana be so revengeful if Lex hadn't set the whole thing in motion?

Ofcourse not. Lana would not be in this situation if Lex hadn't done what he did. It was Lex's evil doing that caused her emotional and physical pain. Everything that Lana does stems from those events that scarred her.

Many people are so quick to judge Lana and yet they have no idea what it's like to be in her position and UNLESS you've experienced what Lex put her through then you really have no right to judge her. No one does.

And I don't expect Clark to be fine with her actions but I do expect him to understand. He doesn't have to be ok with it, heck if he's mad then GOOD but knowing Clark he won't abandon Lana nor will he fall out of love with her.

[Promise]

Originally posted by Timester
It took AlMiles 7 years to finally come with a Lana plot (and character) that I really like. Finally I can "hate" Lana for she being evil. Finally I have the pleasure of seeing someone calling Lana crazy and calling her off for her BS. Finally I see a Lana more focused on her objective that pissing of Clark and/or Lex with "secrets and lies" or jealousy.

The only thing I ask, AlMiles, do not end the arc with a "Saint Lana Redemption". I want Lana suffering the fallout of what she did.

Lol. you sound like the psycho in this episode. kidding.



Originally posted by velocity
Of course, but then pretty much every character would be in jail right now. I can't even count all the times Clark, Chloe and Lois has broken the law by breaking and entering.

There's no evil parade coming to town, and she's no villain yet. That was the whole point of the Lana/Lionel scene, however if she continues down this path she will become one. She practically had tears in her eyes while she wasn't facing Lionel, so she knows that what she's doing is wrong and she has a conscience - so there's no need to compare Lana to sociopaths and serial killers.

I'm glad Lionel reminded her of the fact that she's not doing this to protect Clark, not anymore.

Altough Lana is out in deep water now with a dangerous vandetta, she will never become a villain. After Wrath, she will see the light and change her recent ways.

Excellent post.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by Absentee
Interesting you brought this up. Doesn't this apply to Lana as well? Would Lana be so revengeful if Lex hadn't set the whole thing in motion?

Ofcourse not. Lana would not be in this situation if Lex hadn't done what he did. It was Lex's evil doing that caused her emotional and physical pain. Everything that Lana does stems from those events that scarred her.

Many people are so quick to judge Lana and yet they have no idea what it's like to be in her position and UNLESS you've experienced what Lex put her through then you really have no right to judge her. No one does.

Of course no one can judge Lana. She is the only person in the world to experience pain. I could say the same of Lex though, he has had a crappy life and no one knows what he went through so no one has any right to judge him.

[velocity]

Originally posted by BadToad
As far as Lana being absolved and totally skating, oh, I agree she will. It won't matter how many characters (most notably Clark) they have to tear down to get there. They will get there. It ain't nicknamed "Lanaville" for nothing. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't say forgiveness tears a character down. Or what do you mean by tear down characters?

[skylar]

Why is eveyone hating that Lana is being a little evil or so called crazy? Lex and Lionel have done things that have been seen as being crazy and they are more evil then she is. At least Lana haven't killed anyone. It's kind of refreshing to see her that way.

[Timester]

Originally posted by skylar
Why is eveyone hating that Lana is being a little evil or so called crazy? Lex and Lionel have done things that have been seen as being crazy and they are more evil then she is. At least Lana haven't killed anyone. It's kind of refreshing to see her that way.

Uh? Did you even read the thread? People are liking it. That's the point of the thread.

[BadToad]

Interesting you brought this up. Doesn't this apply to Lana as well? Would Lana be so revengeful if Lex hadn't set the whole thing in motion?

And no one is absolving Lex of anything. But hey, lets go further...Lana wouldn't have been in that position if she hadn't decided to jump into bed with Lex, would she?

Maybe Lana should've heeded some of the warnings about getting in deep with Luthors, eh?


Ofcourse not. Lana would not be in this situation if Lex hadn't done what he did. It was Lex's evil doing that caused her emotional and physical pain. Everything that Lana does stems from those events that scarred her.

And Lana put herself into that position with Lex in the first place. Shouldn't Lana be doing a bit more self-reflection at this point, rather then revenge seeking?


Many people are so quick to judge Lana and yet they have no idea what it's like to be in her position and UNLESS you've experienced what Lex put her through then you really have no right to judge her. No one does.

Well, in that case, no one on this show should be judged. In fact, we can't blame Lex for what he did for Lana...he's been traumatized his whole life. Right? I mean, that follows your logic, right? Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want if a bad thing has been done to them?

The truth is that EVERYONE on this show has had bad things done to them at one time or another. Only Lana worshippers believe that her pain is the most specialest, worstest pain ever that it entitles her to kidnap, embezzle and frame people for murder :rolleyes:


And I don't expect Clark to be fine with her actions but I do expect him to understand. He doesn't have to be ok with it, heck if he's mad then GOOD but knowing Clark he won't abandon Lana nor will he fall out of love with her.

On this show, Lana could shove live puppies on spikes, and somehow they'd have everyone on the show tripping over themselves to kiss her behind (its OK, I'm sure her defenders would say they were evil puppies who had wronged poor Lana and thus deserved what they got :p ) . Most especially Clark. So what else is old?

Actually, I'm fine with Clark forgiving her. And I'm fine with Clark still feeling love for her. And I'm fine with Clark helping her to straighten out her life. But on the romantic front? He needs to take a BIG step back. Because really, this should tell him he doesn't really know her at all, and she is NOT the same person he fell in love with. And frankly, I think its even more important for LANA to have some alone time and figure out who she is without relying on a man. Her constant co-dependency is not healthy.

And why is it so hard to understand that a lot of people think Clark's life should revolve around a whole lot more then being about Lana?

Clark showing Lana forgiveness isn't a problem. Clark sweeping it under the rug, or blaming someone else for her actions, or not being shown to have a MAJOR issue with it is a problem *for him* as a character. Him just going back to being lovey-dovey with the person we saw last night? I'd hope not, but I'm ready to be disappointed. I pretty much know the rank of characters importance with it comes to Goughlar. And Clark sure as heck ain't #1. So, I'm resigned.:o

[Minela]

Originally posted by velocity
I wouldn't say forgiveness tears a character down. Or what do you mean by tear down characters?

No what tears characters down is their complete lack of logic and moral compas when it comes to the poor little princess. In order to absolve Lana, they will have to make every character look stupid and foolish. Clark will be the BDA who can't look pass Lana, Chloe will be the cheerleader again, Lex will be made out to be stupid and fooled by a cheerleader, Lionel, too.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by velocity
I wouldn't say forgiveness tears a character down. Or what do you mean by tear down characters?

I think what they meant is that when Clark is constantly excusing/forgiving, and/or blaming himself/others for Lana's mistakes it makes him appear like a nieve kid in the throws of puppy love. He, in essence, becomes an enabler.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Absentee
Interesting you brought this up. Doesn't this apply to Lana as well? Would Lana be so revengeful if Lex hadn't set the whole thing in motion?

Ofcourse not. Lana would not be in this situation if Lex hadn't done what he did. It was Lex's evil doing that caused her emotional and physical pain. Everything that Lana does stems from those events that scarred her.

Many people are so quick to judge Lana and yet they have no idea what it's like to be in her position and UNLESS you've experienced what Lex put her through then you really have no right to judge her. No one does.

And I don't expect Clark to be fine with her actions but I do expect him to understand. He doesn't have to be ok with it, heck if he's mad then GOOD but knowing Clark he won't abandon Lana nor will he fall out of love with her.

You know, that's like swimming in shark-infested waters, and then being surprised that your leg is bitten off.

Lana wouldn't be in this situation if Lana had listened to the NUMEROUS friends that told her that Lex was dangerous and she shouldn't get involved with him. Or, if she had trusted her original instincts on the matter. She knew who Lex was years before she hooked up with him. Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor for two reasons, and two reasons only 1) because she can't bear the thought of being alone, and 2) to hurt Clark Kent.

The first reason is essentially weakness, and the second reason is spite. Two very unbecoming qualities in a supposedly angelic person. Lana wouldn't be in this situation if it wasn't for LANA. That's the thing about personal responsibility. If you have a reason to think that something bad might happen if you do something, and you do it anyway, you really don't have anyone to blame but yourself.

I don't hate Lana, in fact I have almost always liked her and I think what's going on with her now is very interesting. But let's not pretend that Lana didn't get herself into this mess. And apparently, she is getting herself in even deeper.


Originally posted by BadToad
Well, in that case, no one on this show should be judged. In fact, we can't blame Lex for what he did for Lana...he's been traumatized his whole life. Right? I mean, that follows your logic, right? Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want if a bad thing has been done to them?

Good call.


Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, I'm fine with Clark forgiving her. And I'm fine with Clark still feeling love for her. And I'm fine with Clark helping her to straighten out her life. But on the romantic front? He needs to take a BIG step back. Because really, this should tell him he doesn't really know her at all, and she is NOT the same person he fell in love with. And frankly, I think its even more important for LANA to have some alone time and figure out who she is without relying on a man. Her constant co-dependency is not healthy.

Agreed. Clark leaving Lana, but still being supportive of her is exactly what I hope the repercussions will end up being on this show. That would be the ultimate loss for her, the ultimate punishment. But he would still be there for her, helping her get her life together. But he would be moving up and away at the same time. My honest opinion about what makes Lana so wrong for him is that she is so weak. She always needs to be protected, either from others or from herself. In my opinion at least, that would be a great set up for why Lois, who is very strong and independent, is ultimately a better match for him. But that's for another discussion. :)

[Tottally ~ Free]

I was really looking forward to evil lana. but this is just ridiculas. her trying (in a ridiculasly annoying voice) to convince lionel she is innocent and good and her "I hope your not going to tell clark these lies" I wasnt even bothered by it. I just laughed. It was so stupid because lana is NOT smart .. so for almiles to try and convince me that she is isn't working .. I just don't believe any off it.

[paolinki25]

I don't think this is about Clark forgiving Lana. Clark will forgive Lana, because that's the essence of whom he is. What I have a problem with is when Clark doesn't want to see how much Lana has changed, and he still idiolizes her. I'd like to have a scene in which Clark has a serious talk with Lana, where he tells she needs to get her life back on track and finally put an end to 7 long, exhausting years of "giving it a shot". Why can't they have Clark and Lana be normal friends without the angsty, longing "omg. you're the love of my life and we can't be together!" stares?

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I don't think this is about Clark forgiving Lana. Clark will forgive Lana, because that's the essence of whom he is. What I have a problem with is when Clark doesn't want to see how much Lana has changed, and he still idiolizes her. I'd like to have a scene in which Clark has a serious talk with Lana, where he tells she needs to get her life back on track and finally put an end to 7 long, exhausting years of "giving it a shot". Why can't they have Clark and Lana be normal friends without the angsty, longing "omg. you're the love of my life and we can't be together!" stares?

Yeah, I agree. That's what I want Lana's ultimate consequence to be, is her falling from grace in Clark's eyes.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by ClarksGal
Yeah, I agree. That's what I want Lana's ultimate consequence to be, is her falling from grace in Clark's eyes.

I am in total agreement here, and it would be about time. If this happens I would begin to care more about her character.

[Absentee]

You guys do know it's not going to happen anytime soon right?

Clark falling out of love with Lana? The two will come to a mutual understanding. It won't be JUST Clark. It will be both of them who will come to a conclusion that it is better for them to just be friends. They've tried and it just doesn't work out. That or it will probably happen because he's going away to train.

Clark and Lana will form a lifelong friendship long after Smallville. Just like how it is in the comics Clark will always have a place in his heart for Lana even after he marries Lois in the future. But for now, I honestly don't see Clark not wanting to be with her because of the current situation she put herself in.

[Randy G.]

The key word to remember here is "interesting."
Given the choice, I'll take Crazy-Evil Lana, over weepy little "cry-at-the-drop-of-a-hat" Lana anyday! :lol:

[operadiva]

ok.. so we establish that if Clark and Lana breaks up... he will still be in her life as a friend..So how could he still be in love with her?..You mean loves her as a friend...not still in love with her?...Why else would he move onto to Lois if he was still in love with her?..It makes no sense...
Lana right now is on the brink of madness..She is acting as much as he hates Lex..Like Him...So i guess she and Lex have a lot in common than she is willing to admit..She is having fun with her retribution...There were no tears in her eyes in the scene with her and Lionel in the Barn..You meant crocodile tears..would be more like it...And kidnapping Lionel and having him hostage in a remote location is one thing but to have the man with a bear trap..clinging to his hand ..yep..that is sick indeed...Not to mention..the whack of a shovel across the head..and a charming phone conversation with a clueless Clark at the same time was spooky....No..Lionel is right... She is spiraling down a dangerous tunnel by trying to get even..what ever he said...But Lana better heed Lionel's warning..she is certainly out of her league when it comes to Mr.Lionel Luthor...
Please don't walk away..you better run...

[Theshadow129x]

lana is seriously out of her mind for what she's doing. she's dead and theres no other way to put it.

[Demne]

I don't like how they made her evil. I don't think her character is supposed to be evil what so ever. I think she is supposed to be a love interest of Clark, not a two timer.

Superman III, Lana was awesome. If I was Clark, I would be after her like more than Lois lol.

http://members.tripod.com/~CARIART/Toole.jpg

[Coyote]

This is the best thing they've ever done with Lana. They've turned her into a Luthor. It's great. There's no telling what crazy thing she'll do next. Lionel isn't going to kill Lana. He considers her part of the family and probably has some use in mind for her. Hopefully she'll cause a lot of misery for Clark.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by Demne
I don't like how they made her evil. I don't think her character is supposed to be evil what so ever. I think she is supposed to be a love interest of Clark, not a two timer.

Superman III, Lana was awesome. If I was Clark, I would be after her like more than Lois lol.

http://members.tripod.com/~CARIART/Toole.jpg

As far as I know Lana was never a two timer. As for the Superman 3 version, I found her paletable, but a bit boring. I find Smallville's version irritating.

[BadToad]

Clark and Lana will form a lifelong friendship long after Smallville. Just like how it is in the comics Clark will always have a place in his heart for Lana even after he marries Lois in the future. But for now, I honestly don't see Clark not wanting to be with her because of the current situation she put herself in.

Maybe, maybe not. Or maybe Goughlar will "rock the mythos", and decide to have Clark and Lana end badly, and not have any sort of friendship at all. Maybe Lana ends up in Belle Reve. Maybe she gets back with Lex. See, once you start rocking that mythos, who the heck knows what might happen? Its anything goes ;) :p

And Clark wanting to be with a chick that embezzles, kidnaps, imprisons people and puts their hands in beartraps, then plays a role in the death of a disturbed woman? Yeah, thats awesome! What fan of Clark wouldn't want that for his character? :rolleyes:

[xrayvision]

I wouldn't be surprised if he uses his knowledge of things like Clark's abilities to set up a situation where he gets Clark to show up at a place where he (Lionel) makes Lana expose her own intentions not knowing that Clark is watching.

Unfortunately, I read through posts that contained spoilers (without any warning) of the events of Wrath. For those of you who know what that episode is about, I wouldn't be surprised if Lionel somehow provides the hints on instructing Lana on what will happen to Lana (according to those spoilers) to happen.

[Demne]

Nothing ever happens to Lana, she meets up with Clark at their schools reunion, only difference is, she made a baby runt.

[Coyote]

It's entirely possible that the Smallville version of Lana could wind up on bad terms with Clark. The Smallville versions of Lois and Jimmy are different from the "mythos", so Lana could be too. I hope so. Lana is way too good for Clark, especially now that she's a crazy dangerous Luthor, which makes her a hundred times cooler than the old wimpy Lana.

[xrayvision]

They said it would end badly. For a while, I've been thinking that's what they meant.

There's a possibility that they may kill her off. Maybe rather than wasting Lionel (if JG would do an 8th season), Lex will waste her. I don't know. Another Lana death (especially after JK took her place in Reckoning) would be a waste. It would have meant that JK was truly killed for nothing (which I think is already the case).

[LoisL]

I agree, Timester. I cannot say enough times how much I love Lana Luthor! Much better than Lana Lang, though I'm not a Lana-hater at all. Pity her and like her many a time. Thing is, to like her you typically do need to pity her. *sigh* In this case, you don't. :D

Clarksgal, I think you hit it right on the nail re: Lana being weak. Funnily enough, this would be faithful to the comics.

While I agree that it's inevitable that Lana is restored to the good guy side, I don't mind. I always suffer a pang when I think of how Lex, dear conflicted friend from seasons 1-3, crossed over despite Clark's best efforts. It's the mythos, yup, and has an appeal of its own, but I will be quite glad to see Clark succeed in bringing back a Luthor with love.

Though I adore Lois to a ridiculous extent (comics-wise esp.), there are many disgruntled fans out there that think her unworthy of Supes' faithful admiration. She's no Wonder Woman, after all. So my point is that while I think SV and all other media expertly depict what quality Lois possess vs. Lana which make her better-suited for marraige to our superhero, that quality is NOT perfection or saintliness of any kind. So, a friendly reminder: Clark Kent aka Kal-El doesn't fall in love with saints.

To the Chlarkers out there, that might explain his proof against devoted Chloe. *shrug*

[citizenlen]

With Lana is damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm just enjoying the ride because as far as character development only Lana really interest me right now. Don't worry it's still Clarkville. Kristin Kreuk is a scene stealer.