When You're Destined to Save Mankind, Your're Destined to be Alone!

[DestinyFan]

How great was that scene with Clark and Lex!
Ever since the Ryan episodes, Warrior Angel has been the metaphor of Smallville's Universe!
So now we know that Lana will actually accept the opinion of that reporter Knox that Jonathan fought with.... Clark's Destiny is too
big for those around him to be a part of !
But does she have to die for Clark to move on ?

[aqgalaxy]

But see that doesn't Apply to Superman... he isn't alone... he has Lois Lane

[myankskent]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But see that doesn't Apply to Superman... he isn't alone... he has Lois Lane

Yeah, but much later on. I think that's the point.

[DestinyFan]

Yes he has her, but not at this stage...he's not ready yet.

[simaozinho200]

these lines between the two of them are just great just like in previous episodes where lex comes out with powerful one liners

examples

in the episode Talisman lex says

" Clark did it ever occur to you that the hero of this stoy is segeith ( might have mispelled that)

And in another episode (sry can't remeber the name) where lex goes "i am the villian of this story

Those are just two lines that just renate with me as very strong and powerful in the superman/smallville mythology

[LexLuv180]

Yes but Clark can't keep Lois Lane, ultimately ending up alone. She will die, etc. I thought the conversation between Lex and Clark was pretty powerful and foreshadowing this episode, especially since Lex said that stuff with so much emphasis.

[Minela]

Originally posted by LexLuv180
Yes but Clark can't keep Lois Lane, ultimately ending up alone. She will die, etc. I thought the conversation between Lex and Clark was pretty powerful and foreshadowing this episode, especially since Lex said that stuff with so much emphasis.

Actually, after Lois' death...Clark goes away from Earth in a self imposed exile in the center of the sun. After he comes back he clones Lois and makes her imortal and they live together forever. :D Ain't it romantic?

[superspider02]

yea those lines were good.

[xrayvision]

What I loved best about that line ("When You're Destined to Save Mankind, Your're Destined to be Alone!") was that if you really pay attention, you'll see that Lex is applying that line towards himself!! He lost Lana and pretty much doesn't care about finding love anymore, and is willing to give up that part of his life so he can continue trying to save the world the Lex Luthor way (using things like 33.1, experimenting on aliens, etc).

So like at the end of Talisman, Lex was portraying himself as the hero and the one who will save the world. I love it!!

[SteveS]

I think Superman's destiny is too great for a human marriage to a lois, so you won't see it again on the big screen.

[Sub Snake]

In the comics, does it like even tell Clarks life span?

[Absentee]

That line doesn't just apply to Lana. It applies to Lois as well.

But yes, I agree. That was a great line.

[CLanaF23]

ok it makes no sense like if hes meant to be alone then he shouldnt be wit lana or lois. like i want Clana but if you wanna say that means he needs to break up with lana then he should never get with lois.

[Alexander III]

Originally posted by Minela
Actually, after Lois' death...Clark goes away from Earth in a self imposed exile in the center of the sun. After he comes back he clones Lois and makes her imortal and they live together forever. :D Ain't it romantic?

Too bad, Dr.Knox shoulda done the same thing. He wouldn't hv to kill so many innocents and wouldn't hv been da JACK THE RIPPER! :cool:

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by xrayvision
What I loved best about that line ("When You're Destined to Save Mankind, Your're Destined to be Alone!") was that if you really pay attention, you'll see that Lex is applying that line towards himself!!

Yeah, I was wondering if anyone would catch that.

Lex does, to some extent, think of himself as a hero. A hero that's willing to get his hands dirty, and do less than ethical things when "necessary," unlike the costumed heroes who he percieves as nieve fools. In the comics, Lex is often portrayed as wanting power in part because he thinks he'd be the one who really knew how to use it best when necessary. And one motive comic Lex has for disliking Superman so much is that he believes there's nothing to stop Supes if, one day, he decided to take over mankind. So, while everyone else is walking around convinced Superman would never do anything wrong, Lex would be happier knowing there's a way to take Supes out.

It's Lex's "The ends justify the means," mentality (even if those means involve hurting people) that make him a villain.

[xrayvision]

Yeah. I think Lex's recent "good" spell may also have something to do with cleaning up his image so he could run for political office. I wouldn't be surprised if that's given as the reason Lex won't be in an 8th season.

[Coyote]

No, actually if you spend too much time writing internet posts about cheesy TV show characters you're destined to be alone. Or in a padded cell. I think that was the moral of tonight's episode.

[DontcallmeClarky]

Originally posted by Minela
Actually, after Lois' death...Clark goes away from Earth in a self imposed exile in the center of the sun. After he comes back he clones Lois and makes her imortal and they live together forever. :D Ain't it romantic?

Well, that really depends on WHICH Superman you are talking about. Superman form Earth-2 sacrifices himself to defeat Superboy-Prime after Lois died of old age. And in the end Superman and Lois are seen as lovers in the stars, never aging and immortal lovers.

[xrayvision]

I think this was the best line of the episode.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But see that doesn't Apply to Superman... he isn't alone... he has Lois Lane

Maybe Lex feels that it applies to himself.
:)

I loved that scene. Oh yum!

[xrayvision]

I like how their scenes are going back to the days of season 4 and before (not about Lana). I want a lot more of this. I like how even with all the bad stuff Lex did, Clark still goes and visits him. He's showing that the future Superman doesn't give up on people that easily, or perhaps won't give up on them as long as he sees some good in them.

What would be nice is if Clark challenges Lex to let him prove to Lex that the difference between good & evil is black and white and not shades of gray. And something gets in the way that prevents this from happening, something like Kryptonians (Bizarro, Brainiac, Aethyr, Nam-Ek, etc) further fueling Lex's ambitions against Kryptonians and any aliens coming to Earth.

[outsyder]

Very profound, I loved this episode for that line.

As for the others who didn't get it, it was a little convuluded from last weeks episoode with Dr. Knox but here goes:

Clark is practially immortal, with every second he's exposed to the sun he gains more vitality (or something like that) one day Lana, Lois, Chloe, Jimmy, Martian Manhunter, even SHELBY will be dead and Clark will be all that remains. That's why I'm dissapointed in Singer's franchise that they try to make him more "relatable" and "dark". How scary is that??? You will make bonds and fall in love with those who you will have to watch die one day and no matter how powerful you may be, you can't do anything but stand there and watch.

That's why he's clinging to Lana and wants to enjoy the time he already has instead of worrying about everyone else and in doing that, he jeopardizes everyone else. Selfish? Kinda. But that gives him time to grow. Lana is his final obstacle to becoming Superman, and it's better to sacrifice it willingly, then to have it pried away from you, slowly and painfully.

[xrayvision]

^^Great post. I think that scenes that show Lex talking about himself as the hero and the one to save the world are outstanding and some of the best in the series (the one at the end of Talisman made my spine tingle).

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by Coyote
No, actually if you spend too much time writing internet posts about cheesy TV show characters you're destined to be alone. Or in a padded cell. I think that was the moral of tonight's episode.

LOL!

[borednow]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Maybe Lex feels that it applies to himself.
:)

I loved that scene. Oh yum!

Lex, my favorite versions anyway, does write himself as the savior of the world in his own little novel. I like that theory! :)

[curiosity]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But see that doesn't Apply to Superman... he isn't alone... he has Lois Lane

But Lois is working for a world newspaper, exposing and bringing down criminals. In doing so, she is also trying to save the world, which is why he can be with her. She doesn't want the "normal" life. She's already working for his future employer, a newspaper which will help him keep an eye on the world.


Originally posted by Coyote
No, actually if you spend too much time writing internet posts about cheesy TV show characters you're destined to be alone. Or in a padded cell. I think that was the moral of tonight's episode.

Umm.... I don't think it was. The character in the epidose wanted to kill a real person. Fans on fan boards write about wanting Lana to die, meaning they want a character to die, not a real person, see the difference? Besides, I don't think the characters are cheesy.

[Who]

Not sure why a hero must be alone to save the world. Never understood the concept really. Seems to me you have to be part of something to understand it. I think Lex has got it all wrong. Fortunately for Superman, Lois is a live for the moment kind of gal.

[HalJordan4184]

A central theme of Superman, especially post crisis, has always been, Superman is the hero that breaks the mold. He's the best, because he's not alone. He's the most in touch with humanity of all the heroes. While he will outlive those he loves, that doesn't mean he's alone. It's precisely his very human love, and human emotions, that keep him going. He's the hero that breaks the mold, and shows, no matter what, we don't have to be alone to be great. Rather the opposite. While we can be great alone, we become greater when part of something more.

[Lis]

Originally posted by SteveS
I think Superman's destiny is too great for a human marriage to a lois, so you won't see it again on the big screen.
I really don't get you!
If Superman would marry Lois on the big screen, I would be watching this movie.
And I totally agree with Who:
Originally posted by Who
Not sure why a hero must be alone to save the world. Never understood the concept really. Seems to me you have to be part of something to understand it. I think Lex has got it all wrong. Fortunately for Superman, Lois is a live for the moment kind of gal.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Who
Not sure why a hero must be alone to save the world. Never understood the concept really. Seems to me you have to be part of something to understand it. I think Lex has got it all wrong. Fortunately for Superman, Lois is a live for the moment kind of gal.

Lex didn't get it wrong because he was referring to himself when he said that line. He knows after Lana he's done with trying to find someone to be with. And he considers himself as the savior/hero. What he implied was that to do what's necessary to save the world, you have to do things that will alienate those around you and take you down a path that basically nobody else wants to travel. That is what Lex has done in this show. His tactics to save the world have alienated Clark, Chloe, Lois, Lana, and anyone who didn't hate him before (even Lionel who tried to finally love him but realized in Onyx that he was too late). To him, what he's doing is the only way to save the world and since nobody wants to help him and everyone is trying to bring him down, he realizes that he must be alone in his quest to be what he thinks is a hero.

This reminded me of Leech:

Victoria Hardwick: We could have been great together.

Lex: I plan on being great all by myself.

[norman619]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But see that doesn't Apply to Superman... he isn't alone... he has Lois Lane

That is the whole problem. It's a no brainer that to get to Sups you get to his girl. Being the gf of a superhero should be a deathsentence cuz you know it would be. If his gf were not a normal human then things would be a little diff.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by DestinyFan
How great was that scene with Clark and Lex!
Ever since the Ryan episodes, Warrior Angel has been the metaphor of Smallville's Universe!
So now we know that Lana will actually accept the opinion of that reporter Knox that Jonathan fought with.... Clark's Destiny is too
big for those around him to be a part of !
But does she have to die for Clark to move on ?

ight if that whole "your destined to be alone" thing is true than he shouldnt be with lana or LOIS!! i mean people say lana is holding him form his destiny an dhe cant be with her in the future..why not? but then people are all for lois and clark wont she be a distraction? if your gonna say clark cant be with lana then he cant be wit lois..if it could supposedly work wit lois it can work with lana..but some people dont like lana soo dey they wanna say that it cant...but i like lana and Clana soo yea :)

[HalJordan4184]

Clana won't work, because of what they've done to the character of Lana. She's Lex Luthor with two X chromosomes. In fact, she's everything and more that she's ever harped on Clark for being.

It's amazing the people that say the relationship with Clark and Lana can work, despite how truely horrible it really is, and how emotionally damaging it is for both people involved. If Clark and Lana had some kind of good relationship, I could see it, but they have probably the most unhealthy relationship ever portrayed on screen. I have to honestly ask, "Where's the love?".

[jazzylg]

If you read the graphic novel: superman/batman generations, it shows that superman is immortal!
The writers have basically turned lana into the one with the hidden secrets, and clark as the open book. I think it's pretty pathetic that we spend the last couple of seasons with more of this clana angst crap!