The Cape Discussion thread: Was it a symbol? Why did he leave it hanging?

[Kalel x2x2]

I saw a red cape! :D

[KU Superdude]

I musta missed it....

[legolazzz04]

Yeah me too! I got a chill down my back, and I said "Finally! Took seven years."

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by KU Superdude
I musta missed it....
Dude, how did you miss it?? =(

It was the last scene, it faded out with the cape coming into focus and Clark walking away all while the Superman theme was playing. :p

[pharaoh8]

IT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME.

[iheartCK4eva]

YEA I WAS WAITING FOR IT I SEEN THE PROMO CAPS ON THE NEWS PAGE

[TheLastKryptonian]

Question is, will he have an "S" on it someday like Chris Reeve's & Dean Cain's or have it the remain as it is and similar to Brandon Routh's? Anyways it was pretty cool !

[simaozinho200]

my question is why did he leave the cape on the fence maybe he's not ready for the mantle of superman yet
symbolism

[monet]

Someone gave u a present and that is what u do with it? I am very disappointed superman.

[jazel]

apparently he's turning his back on his destiny to "embrace everything he's always wanted right on the farm".
a sledge hammer made of green-K is what the BOY needs.

[strmbldr317]

Very reminiscent of Peter Parker walking away from the mantle of Spiderman in the second film

[KU Superdude]

Originally posted by Kalel x2x2
Dude, how did you miss it?? =(

It was the last scene, it faded out with the cape coming into focus and Clark walking away all while the Superman theme was playing. :p

Joking, obv :cool:

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by simaozinho200
my question is why did he leave the cape on the fence maybe he's not ready for the mantle of superman yet
symbolism

He left the cape there because it just looked brillant, flapping in the wind as he walked away. What did yuo want him to do, put it around his back, tie a little knot around his neck, and speed away. IMO, he cant officially be Superman until he can fly. He's going to keep the cape though, he didnt throw it away or anything. Did you not see his little smirk and the theme, similar to Supermans theme, before and as the credits came on?

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by KU Superdude
Joking, obv :cool:
Sorry xD.

<---- Idiot. :lol:

[Alexander III]

Christina Milian should've gave him a brand new corvette instead of a freaking 8 dollar Cape!

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by jazel
apparently he's turning his back on his destiny to "embrace everything he's always wanted right on the farm".


Yeah jazel I got that meaning too... he left it there as if... I am not doing that and head to the house back to Lana it shows Lana is indeed holding him back...

I mean it's sad that even now that he doubts he's there to be a hero... he even questions Chloe for thinking he'll be a hero some day! what happened to Oliver's example and the JL...

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by strmbldr317
Very reminiscent of Peter Parker walking away from the mantle of Spiderman in the second film

That's so obviously where they stole the idea for that scene imo. It looks exactly like the classic comic panel where Peter walks away from the Spider-Man costume that lies in the trashcan after he throws it away. Not to mention, AlMiles were responsible for much of the screenplay in Spider-Man 2...so if you're like me, you won't see that as a coincidence either.

I love that Clark ends up using the cape that is worn by the internationally known icon, Warrior Angel. Very symbolic of who he becomes in our perspective.

[Ardiem3]

Clarks not walking away from his destony or future, they had him put it there because it looked cool flapping in the wind, and its a symbol of him one day leaving the barn and home, that he walked back to.

[Crispin Glover]

Very well shot scene with the cape on the fence as he walk away, it blowing in the wind.

[elway]

Originally posted by simaozinho200
my question is why did he leave the cape on the fence maybe he's not ready for the mantle of superman yet
symbolism

That and I thought it looked like he was hanging up his coat after a long days work, and starting to FINALLY realize his path to follow.

But I like that he's still not ready so the cape rests for now

[SteveS]

The cape and flying to save Lana gave me a big thrill. Great fun.

Oh yeah, and the crazy guy was telling ClarkMan the way things had to be for the superhero.

[Ilovebeinglost]

No matter what it was a moving moment for me to see the red cape in Clarks hands and then waving in the wind.

[DANO MAKI]

AMAZING!!!

I have a feeling that we will see MANY more scenes that are just as powerful!

[Minela]

It was cool with the cape fluttering in the wind, and I get why the did it like that. Symbolicaly he is leaving his destiny while going after Lana. But I found it odd that he would leave a gift he just got out on the fence. Weird.

[tmack09]

hahahaha...he didn't care about that cape! he was like "uuuuhhh ooooook" lol! he don't know yet!! :lol:

[Alexander III]

That was a nice ending. I nearly cried.

[DANO MAKI]

I posted this elsewhere...

but it seemed as though this was Clarks first tangible brush with the inevitable...

His destiny.

[Superbeard]

That them's mighty powerful symbolism there.

Ol' Clarkie bein' selfish. Tsk tsk.

[Odysseus]

...at the end with Clark and the cape from the Warrior Angel costume.

It was a really nice mythos moment.

Kinda makes you wonder if Clark later on puts the exact same cape back into use for another superhero's costume... :)

[Randy G.]

I know! Wasn't that great? :D

[Bosrudorfer]

But why did he leave it hanging on the fence outside?

[nabadua]

The scene shows Clark walking away from the cape hung up ( his destiny ) toward the house and Lana. As long as he continues to hide in the farmhouse and Lana's arms, Superman will not Be. It's a brilliant scene.

[Odysseus]

It is a brilliant scene I think because as Clark was walking back to the farmhouse the cape was still waving very boldly in the foreground. I like to think that that symbolized the fact that although Clark is distracted by Lana right now, Lana is only postponing the inevitable...he will be Superman one day, no matter what Lana wants. :D

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by nabadua
The scene shows Clark walking away from the cape hung up ( his destiny ) toward the house and Lana. As long as he continues to hide in the farmhouse and Lana's arms, Superman will not Be. It's a brilliant scene.

Exactly. It was ironic though that even Lana realized that Clark will eventually be needed to save the world (though that time is now). If she wasn't so messed up, it would be impossible to ever have Clark & Lois hooking up, but thanks to her crazed behavior, that will happen.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

If only I didn't read the spoilers..."sigh"

[Barrage]

I got chills...

when Lionel smashed CrazyLady's face in.
Shows some of where Lex gets his
malevolence from.
And yeah the cape was cool, but Im glad
Clark didn't try it on or anything. At this
point in his life, he must just be like "wtf"

[Cellist]

Haha I loved how he just left it outside. "Meh, I'll bring it into the house later." *drapes it on the fence*

[Khyla]

Originally posted by Minela
It was cool with the cape fluttering in the wind, and I get why the did it like that. Symbolicaly he is leaving his destiny while going after Lana. But I found it odd that he would leave a gift he just got out on the fence. Weird.
I agree. But I thought the same thing. It just didn't sit with me right.... If I left something like that out on our fence, it would mean i didn't care about it or appreciate it at all. It could get torn, blown into a mud-puddle, stolen....(and it was supposed to be a gift) :\

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Khyla
I agree. But I thought the same thing. It just didn't sit with me right.... If I left something like that out on our fence, it would mean i didn't care about it or appreciate it at all. It could get torn, blown into a mud-puddle, stolen....(and it was supposed to be a gift) :\

That's what I thought. I realize that it was an artistic choice to leave the cape fluttering on the fence, but it seemed very disrespectful to leave it there. Hell, Shelby could come along and use it as a chew toy or lay it and make a bed out of it. :(

Perhaps Clark was disappointed because it wasn't a plaid cape. :lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

OK, I only saw the final 3 minutes (after 'Scrubs' was over.....), and I didn't see nothing powerful.

[smallvillerocks45]

I think, once you see the whole episode you'll get the full effect. It's a build up to his future - the whole episode was screaming foreshadowing hints. I really liked the scene myself...and I kind of liked how Lana took Ben's (and Lionel's) words to heart, but that's a different story.

[ginnyfan]

I liked the music.

[smallvillerocks45]

Yeah, that was a nice touch. *sighs* I want to see the episode again! LoL

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Nospam
Perhaps Clark was disappointed because it wasn't a plaid cape. :lol:

:rotfl:

Yeah. It was a nice moment and all, but it would've been nice if he took the cape with him, instead of leaving it there.

[Randy G.]

It was all meant to be symbolic. Hanging the cape up and walking away from it, was a visual statement.
A man aware of his destiny, but not quite ready to face it yet. ;)

[smallvillerocks45]

Maybe he's going to use the cape as a flag...LoL, just kidding. Who knows what the rationale was.

Certainly it played an iconic role for us viewers, but for Clark, maybe because it was given under the context of every hero 'needing one' and he's not ready to be a "(super)hero" yet, he felt it was inappropriate to take it inside of the house. IMO, it'll end up somewhere hidden in the barn.

[falcon64z8]

I like the cinema photography in this episode and yea the ending was shot really well. The cape does represent his future and I agree with the poster above saying that he is not ready for his destiny just yet. But also, he could be wondering why he received such a cheap gift from a famous rich actress that why he left it there, lol...

[BobMalooga]

And you leave it hanging on the fence out in the yard while you go in for some snuggle time with your psycho-manipulative girlfriend? Whats-up with that?

Geez Clark!
Keith

[spicyblark]

I know, his cloak was so pretty!

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
What did yuo want him to do, put it around his back, tie a little knot around his neck, and speed away.

HAHAHAHA!! No, after tying the knot enters the house and says: Look Lana!!! Davenport gave me a cape...can we kiss now, Dammit!!

[Randy G.]

Made me feel like tying a red towel around my neck, and go running around my house at 10pm. :lol:

But I swear I resisted the urge. ;)

[MidgardDragon]

"Why leave it?"

Because he's not ready for it yet.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

It was in the script.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by monet
Someone gave u a present and that is what u do with it? I am very disappointed superman.

Same here.

[dh1031]

the Superman theme was playing I heard Mark Snow' score playing at the end, but it did not sound like the score Mark Snow did that mimicked the John Williams score. :confused: :confused:

Considering there were several other blankets, mats, etc. left folded over the fences around the farm, why not have Clark leave the red cape Rachel gave him on the fence? Besides, TPTB needed to do something to have an ending shot of the cape blowing in the wind. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by dh1031
I heard Mark Snow' score playing at the end, but it did not sound like the score Mark Snow did that mimicked the John Williams score. :confused: :confused:

Considering there were several other blankets, mats, etc. left folded over the fences around the farm, why not have Clark leave the red cape Rachel gave him on the fence? Besides, TPTB needed to do something to have an ending shot of the cape blowing in the wind. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah the superman music was playing but it seemed clearly to show Clark just leaing it out there why he went inside with Lana. It showed he didn't want any part in a destiny of a superhero if it meant he had to be alone.

[dh1031]

It showed he didn't want any part in a destiny of a superhero if it meant he had to be alone. Could be, I guess I just don't read that heavily into what's shown.:cool:

[kal-el_Girl]

it was an AWESOME scene , I was on my feet screaming and applauding (it was an applause kind-a-moment) I almost cried too ;)

[margroks]

I suppose it was to show us he's a moron and a jerk and not only leaves a nice and meaningful present behiond but he's back to abandoning his destiny becauwe Lana shows up and now he thinks he can be a normal guy again. That's stupid logic and I'm tired of hearing it every year. We get it. Now grow up Clark and dump this dupicitous girl for good. It's boring and stupid and you're an idiot if you let a nasty girl like Lana hold you back.

[2shae]

Originally posted by Alexander III
Christina Milian should've gave him a brand new corvette instead of a freaking 8 dollar Cape!

I think it was silk...looked sort of shiny

[uhhuhhim]

Why did he leave it? Hahaha. Well, what else was he supposed to do? Drape it around his neck with a safety pin and walk into the house? Fold it up and carry it in? He left it there because he left it there...LOL

[dh1031]

Why did he leave it? Hahaha. Well, what else was he supposed to do? Drape it around his neck with a safety pin and walk into the house? Fold it up and carry it in? He left it there because he left it there...LOL Thank you!! Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by strmbldr317
Very reminiscent of Peter Parker walking away from the mantle of Spiderman in the second film

That's true. It was a lot like that.

[Clana4Life]

It would have been cooler to see Clark carrying the cape over his shoulder with it blowing in the wind behind him as he walked back to the house. That really would have been Superman-esque. Too bad TPTB didn't think of that. Is Clark just going to leave the cape outside? Next thing you know Shelby will be chewing on it in the barn.

[Tottally ~ Free]

The whole point behind that scene for me was that.


clana= NO SUPERMAN.

[kal-el_Girl]

I agree that clark is not ready yet, BUT I see your point in taking the cape w/ him.
I hope that @ the end of the series that happens, the exact scene BUT this time Clark takes the cape in his hands and smiles as he walks towards his destiny...
ahh nice ending huh?

[Super Maverick]

So he's "on the fence" about becoming a hero.......????

[Randy G.]

I think many people are missing the symbolism of the scene.
Taking the cape inside with him would've been a weak ending. Pay close attention to the dialogue between Clark & Lana, right before this scene.
He looked at the cape, and hung it on the fence, This was saying, "I acknowledge my destiny, but I'm still not ready.
The shot of him walking away, with the cape blowing on the fence, spoke volumes. It was pure cinematic genius.

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by Randy G.
I think many people are missing the symbolism of the scene.
Taking the cape inside with him would've been a weak ending. Pay close attention to the dialogue between Clark & Lana, right before this scene.
He looked at the cape, and hung it on the fence, This was saying, "I acknowledge my destiny, but I'm still not ready.
The shot of him walking away, with the cape blowing on the fence, spoke volumes. It was pure cinematic genius.

I disagree the last conversation was Lana reminding him he has a destiny aka giving him a chance to let go... then he goes "no because all my dreams came true and i have all I ever wanted right here on the farm" so those assuming him leaving the cap on the fence and walks away to the house where he and Lana live at...

Isn't there is a statment that Superman is done when he "Hangs up the cape"? or something to that effect... him walking away from it shows, him unwilling to accept it because he doesn't want to NOT because he isn't ready... JMO

[Clana4Life]

Or it was in reference to what that actress was saying about Clark being her "hero". He left the cape outside as a sign that he doesn't think he is a hero, just a regular guy enjoying life on a farm with his girlfriend. That's a great way of looking at it Randy G. I hadn't thought about that until I read your post.

[svtwamedfan05]

I have went back to see that scene over and over again but all I get from it is "I know I have these powers, but I don't want to accept this so called destiny" It reminded me of the Death of Superman when all that was left was the torn Cape blowing in the wind.

Then there is that whole Not ready to accept his destiny thing and they way this episode ended in the conversation between Lana and Clark was that he already had everything he wanted so and that leaves some doubts and questions in my head.

I guess we just have to wait and see how this season goes. Either it succeeds or bombs is up to Al and Miles, Obivously we have no say so what-so-ever

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by Tottally ~ Free
The whole point behind that scene for me was that.


clana= NO SUPERMAN.


Exactly. That scene was Clark denying his destiny and going into the farm with Lana. :rolleyes: Stupid BDA.

[Mello Penelo]

He made it obvious in Kara that he would leave Smallville because he "had no reason to stay."

Lana returns, and he has reason to stay.

Jor-El told Clark to keep an eye on Kara. If Clark had really intended to do what he was asked, he would have gone after her. Because he stayed in Smallville with Lana, he showed that he doesn't care what Jor-El has to say. He has no intention of doing what was asked of him.

As long as he "loves" Lana, he thinks of no one but himself.

[galatians221]

Originally posted by Randy G.
I think many people are missing the symbolism of the scene.
Taking the cape inside with him would've been a weak ending. Pay close attention to the dialogue between Clark & Lana, right before this scene.
He looked at the cape, and hung it on the fence, This was saying, "I acknowledge my destiny, but I'm still not ready.
The shot of him walking away, with the cape blowing on the fence, spoke volumes. It was pure cinematic genius.

Plus he walked back in the house to be with Lana; the reason for his selfish behavior. Oliver will let him have it when he comes back as will MM, Jor El and Kara. Lana already told him to hit the road. He needs to become a man before he can become Superman. He's still acting like a boy.

[svtwamedfan05]

I think he left it because he chooses Lana over saving the world

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by svtwamedfan05
I think he left it because he chooses Lana over saving the world


Yea....exactly. He's just being the big dumb alien we've all grown to love.

I do have to agree though...I understand it was left there for symbolic purposes....but that was just rude! The girl brought you a gift for saving her life...and you leave it hanging outside?Our future Superman needs some manners. :rotfl:

[Mello Penelo]

(why leave it?)

He doesn't want it.

[Coyote]

He could have at least sold it on E-Bay instead of leaving it hanging outside on the hog pen fence. Clark is just crude.

[outsyder]

Yeah, how wierd was that? He already said he didn't follow the comics, why give him a prop from the movie? haha.

[sithius]

Do you think AlMiles did the whole cape scene at the end to add insult to possible injury (the whole forum psycho plot)?

Or do you think otherwise?

[Super Maverick]

Originally posted by Super Maverick
he's "on the fence" about becoming a hero..

[Dodge006]

Just to PISS US OFF!!

Well really, I think that it was to be symbolic, however, after they probably thought "This will piss off Dodge006".

Bastards.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

Originally posted by Alexander III
Christina Milian should've gave him a brand new corvette instead of a freaking 8 dollar Cape!

hahhaha ya...i guess it just was theme...
hey love the avi wut IS lex doing! :lol:

[AndyShea]

I really think it was meant to be symbolic. Combined with the "One day I'll only be holding you back" Lana speach.

[redraven]

It was symbolic.

[Mello Penelo]

It was meant to mock us.

To show that they will never let Clark become Superman. Clark's main desire is to have hellspawn, err, I mean children with Lana.

They did it to show him walk away from his destiny.

[LoveHurts38]

It was the symbol of the man he needs to become...

[SteveS]

Originally posted by LoveHurts38
It was the symbol of the man he needs to become...

yep:)

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by sithius
Do you think AlMiles did the whole cape scene at the end to add insult to possible injury (the whole forum psycho plot)?

Or do you think otherwise?

They put it in for exactly what it was meant to be, a future Superman reference. He left it because he wasn't ready for it yet.

[Serynarpc]

I'm going with AiMiles laughing.

I was going to make a trhead on this, but your so on the ball I'll say it here-
'Clark Kent: Abandoning his destiny to go flirt with his girlfriend.'

You know its bad when you agree with the villain of the episode- and the villain turns out to be the hero.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Serynarpc
I'm going with AiMiles laughing.

I was going to make a trhead on this, but your so on the ball I'll say it here-
'Clark Kent: Abandoning his destiny to go flirt with his girlfriend.'

You know its bad when you agree with the villain of the episode- and the villain turns out to be the hero.

This post makes me laugh, hard.

[Serynarpc]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
This post makes me laugh, hard.

Thankyou ;)

[demongene]

I think this will be the last season,and we might see him fly out of the fortrace in the last min of the seires finalley.Sorry for the spelling.:\

[demongene]

Originally posted by Randy G.
I think many people are missing the symbolism of the scene.
Taking the cape inside with him would've been a weak ending. Pay close attention to the dialogue between Clark & Lana, right before this scene.
He looked at the cape, and hung it on the fence, This was saying, "I acknowledge my destiny, but I'm still not ready.
The shot of him walking away, with the cape blowing on the fence, spoke volumes. It was pure cinematic genius.

I absolutly agree.

[xaosthry]

When seeing that last scene, I cussed him out. Felt that he was walking away from his destiny. It was like the whole episode kept repeating the same mantra to me. Lana is holding him back. The kid said it before he dumped her off the side, Chloe told Clark not to ask her about it, since he wouldn't like what she had to say. Hell, Lana herself even said it in the end.
Yet, our resident BDA is happy on the farm with Lana.
Just left a bad taste in my mouth. It was like, "I appreciate the gift, but don't care enough to actually take it into consideration or even into the house."

[australian infected]

that scene with the cape on the fence worked absolutely perfect!!!
He's walking away from it, but it's giving you a glimpse of what will be. That's why it was flapping in the wind on the fence. (just to tease us)

[HiroofTime]

Would have been cool if he'd have put it over his shoulder and it was flapping in the wind over his shoulder as he walked away.

[Vala]

It was symbolic

[smallvilleobsessor17]

It was tacky as hell, I would have thrown it out.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
It was tacky as hell, I would have thrown it out.

:confused:

Why? It was a valuable gift. I think even Rachel understood the deep symbology of her gift. Her comments to Lana as she was leaving cement that fact.

[smallvilleobsessor17]

Yeah, I know...but still....

[Nospam]

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
Yeah, I know...but still....

What do you mean "...but still..."? Never mind the fact that the gift was from a famous person, it was a gift. You don't just throw away gifts from others.

Please tell me your not one of those people that would throw away your husband's collection of Star Wars toys simply because you found them "tacky".

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

i dunno if this has been mentioned

the only thing about that scene that makes it look bad is that ever since day 1 of smallville clark has gone by a "save people, take no credit" code and in that scene clark didnt say "Miss davenport you dont have to give me a gift for saving your life"

so clark accepted the gift as part of being on set of the movie and possibly rachels gratitude for staying at clarks house

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by Nospam
What do you mean "...but still..."? Never mind the fact that the gift was from a famous person, it was a gift. You don't just throw away gifts from others.

Please tell me your not one of those people that would throw away your husband's collection of Star Wars toys simply because you found them "tacky".


:rotfl: Wow...that was priceless.

I must agree, it was just rude of Clark to leave the gift hanging outside. I know he doesnt want to accept his destiny, and bla bla bla. Bottom line...the girl wanted to thank him for saving her life, and he leaves the gift hanging on the fence. :rolleyes:

[jewfroboy]

yeah i agree but as has been suggested in the vote this scene was symbolically pointing towards Clarks immaturity thus far to take on the superman mantle, i mean s1-3 clark is more superman.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

it's on the fence because it shows he is not ready to accept his destiny... yet.

I blame Lana

[eriii1]

Yeah, I agree. I sort of took it as the cape was symbolizing his destiny, and Clark was walking away from it.

[darkone]

Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
it's on the fence because it shows he is not ready to accept his destiny... yet.

I blame Lana

lol blame Lana as much as you want but it was Clark who walked away not Lana.She even asked him the moment before if he was sure about his goals in life.And personally I dont blame Clark.Not one bit.He has a right as everyone else to have own desires/wishes.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by darkone
lol blame Lana as much as you want but it was Clark who walked away not Lana.She even asked him the moment before if he was sure about his goals in life.And personally I dont blame Clark.Not one bit.He has a right as everyone else to have own desires/wishes.

AMEN

clark shouldnt have to accept his destiny just because hes told hes got 1 he should follow his destiny when it suits him not any1 else

and i seem to remember alot of these fans who moan about lanas grip on clark, saying they wanted clark to become superman on his own when jor-el told clark "he has a destiny he must move on"

remember what you preach people you may start sounding like jor-el :lol:

[Mello Penelo]

Jor-El isn't bad. We should all want to sound like Jor-El. Clark is too old for this goo goo high school crap.

The things Jor-El has done in the past are to get Clark to quit whining and get hiss butt in gear.

When Clark ran off for Metropolis, Jor-El wanted Clark to go find the stones, but Jonathan felt threatened by Jor-El-- thinking Clark might side with his birth father over him.

Jonathan convinced Clark Jor-El was bad. There were no legitimate reasons for Jonathan to turn Clark against Jor-El other than his own fear that he'd lose his son.

If Clark had just done what he was asked in the first place, Jonathan wouldn't have died. Lana never would have been put into a position to die.

Jonathan had the same fear any adoptive father has: the real father will take away the kid. That's why he convinced Clark Jor-El was bad.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Jor-El isn't bad. We should all want to sound like Jor-El. Clark is too old for this goo goo high school crap.

The things Jor-El has done in the past are to get Clark to quit whining and get hiss butt in gear.

When Clark ran off for Metropolis, Jor-El wanted Clark to go find the stones, but Jonathan felt threatened by Jor-El-- thinking Clark might side with his birth father over him.

Jonathan convinced Clark Jor-El was bad. There were no legitimate reasons for Jonathan to turn Clark against Jor-El other than his own fear that he'd lose his son.

If Clark had just done what he was asked in the first place, Jonathan wouldn't have died. Lana never would have been put into a position to die.

Jonathan had the same fear any adoptive father has: the real father will take away the kid. That's why he convinced Clark Jor-El was bad.

your misinterpretting my post i wasnt refering to jor-els warnings i was refering to what jor-el wants his son to do which is accept his destiny

clark did that last year in fallout, then he followed up that promise in kara

now hes training by means of looking after kara

but the point of what i was saying is that people want clark to be superman thats all great but trying to force clark by means of saying "clark you have a destiny you must move on and forget every1 in smallville" its practically the same message jor-el has been giving him

every wants clark to be superman by his own choice and not forced and thats exatly what the fans are doing, forcing him

[Crusader]

The cape symbolised something heroic, as it is obviously a main trademark for hero's which is why rachel gave it to clark.
But I have no idea why he hung it out on his gate lol.
It might be though that he still isn't ready to become a hero, as he would of taken it with him, instead he left it behind and walked away.

[Randy G.]

Bingo! ;)

[TampaVille]

It was left on the fence because it looked cool, having TW walking strong and tall with the cape fluttering near the camara. It was just a way to write the scene to get that effect. He obviously wasn't going to put the cape on and march away. It was just a way to get that effect.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

I didn't like how that... I kind of wanted the cape to be chosen by Clark. Sometimes I don't like all these anvils because it feels like Clark won't do any creative decisions when he becomes supes.

"How did you get that cape, Superman!?"
"Oh, this actress friend just threw it into my lap."

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Ireallylikethisshow
I didn't like how that... I kind of wanted the cape to be chosen by Clark. Sometimes I don't like all these anvils because it feels like Clark won't do any creative decisions when he becomes supes.

"How did you get that cape, Superman!?"
"Oh, this actress friend just threw it into my lap."

Thats obviously not the cape that hell wear when he becomes Superman. One will ask, "Howd you get the cape?" Clark: "Oh, i saved the life of someone working on a movie about a fictional action hero and said that i was a real life hero (to go and save people.)"


Originally posted by TampaVille
It was left on the fence because it looked cool, having TW walking strong and tall with the cape fluttering near the camara. It was just a way to write the scene to get that effect. He obviously wasn't going to put the cape on and march away. It was just a way to get that effect.

Exactly, this is what ive been saying. It flapping in the wind and him walking back to his home where his life on Earth basically started and where hell leave one day, a strong moment and scene.

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
Thats obviously not the cape that hell wear when he becomes Superman. One will ask, "Howd you get the cape?" Clark: "Oh, i saved the life of someone working on a movie about a fictional action hero and said that i was a real life hero (to go and save people.)"



Exactly, this is what ive been saying. It flapping in the wind and him walking back to his home where his life on Earth basically started and where hell leave one day, a strong moment and scene.

Honestly, given the whole "Lana is holding Clark back" theme, I have to disagree. Clark "Hanging up his cape" and strolling back to Lana is a very clear message that until he's done with Lana, he won't be ready for Superman.

[dh1031]

Do you think AlMiles did the whole cape scene at the end to add insult to possible injury (the whole forum psycho plot)? If they did, that would be funny as all get out!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good stuff!! :D :D

[CLanaF23]

wen he left the cape it meant he dont wanna be that guy...he wants to be on the farm wit lana thats why he left it and went inside...but idk


Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
it's on the fence because it shows he is not ready to accept his destiny... yet.

I blame Lana

it aint her fault!!..like did you hear all the stuff she said...clark makes his own decisions...

[Sexyman]

This was definitely saying that Clark is not ready for his destiny, and also pointed out who he is to become.

[KryptonStones]

Yeah..I agree with half the majority....it's on the fence becase he ain't ready...hell Lex has progressed well toward his destiny..Clark? Not so much...

[Kalerado]

Originally posted by jazel
apparently he's turning his back on his destiny to "embrace everything he's always wanted right on the farm".
a sledge hammer made of green-K is what the BOY needs.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[CLSmith]

A reference to a scene in Spider Man II which is turn an homage to the panel in Amazing Spider-Man #50 Spider-Man No More.

-cs™

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by CLSmith
A reference to a scene in Spider Man II which is turn an homage to the panel in Amazing Spider-Man #50 Spider-Man No More.

-cs™

CLSmith is correct.

And in case anyone doubts it, let's compare some images:

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesnomoredu4.jpg

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

He didn't like it becuase the S was missing. I thought that was obvious really.

[JudasAce]

Hmm, posting that picture gave me an idea for a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRlYq5Skdig

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by JudasAce
CLSmith is correct.

And in case anyone doubts it, let's compare some images:

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesnomoredu4.jpg

Oh my!!!! :lol: So... superheroes pose like this on a regular basis I see. Why are superheroes always giving up and throwing their suits into a trash can then walking away dramatically? :lol:

[clana4everfan2]

The red cape he received in which he placed it on the fence. I liked how if you notice another blue blanket with red stripes were placed on another fence behind the cape. It's as if the blue/redsrtiped blanket symbolized his beginning as a boy and the red cape in front is his moving towards his destiny. Watch the end scene again and you'll see what I mean.

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by Ireallylikethisshow
Oh my!!!! :lol: So... superheroes pose like this on a regular basis I see. Why are superheroes always giving up and throwing their suits into a trash can then walking away dramatically? :lol:

If you think that's bad, check out this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjY7yUTBZ8

[globalbudd3]

I find that it is symbol of allusion of the man/Superman that Clark will become. After all this is still Smallville, the early years of Clark Kent.

The question I have is why did Rachel give him a red cape? Because she thought he is her hero like Warrior Angel?

[SparkleforSmallville]

Originally posted by Randy G.
It was all meant to be symbolic. Hanging the cape up and walking away from it, was a visual statement.
A man aware of his destiny, but not quite ready to face it yet. ;)
My thoughts exactly! It is still "Smallville" After all:)

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by JudasAce
Honestly, given the whole "Lana is holding Clark back" theme, I have to disagree. Clark "Hanging up his cape" and strolling back to Lana is a very clear message that until he's done with Lana, he won't be ready for Superman.

No, it was symbolic in symbolizing the man that hes about to become, but not quite there, thats why he walked away because its still distant from him. It flapping in the wind symbolizes hope for him and the future. How would you of liked the scene to play out. I think it played out beautifully. We shouldnt look to deep into it. It was just on the fence because it looked great flapping.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Originally posted by JudasAce
If you think that's bad, check out this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjY7yUTBZ8
Thanks for the Pics and video links. I really got a kick out of them! Super Heroes are such Posers:lol:

Btw, Love that Captain Jack :p and Red K Clark. Great videos;)

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by SparkleforSmallville
Thanks for the Pics and video links. I really got a kick out of them! Super Heroes are such Posers:lol:

Btw, Love that Captain Jack :p and Red K Clark. Great videos;)

Thanks :)

[CLSmith]

Heh I didn't realize it happened that often!

Looks like every superhero has done the discard the costume and walk away shuffle.

Second only to the Pieta pose!

-cs™

[wrinkles]

I think it's obviously symbolic... Clark not ready yet, leaving the cape on the fence to keep clinging to his hope for the normal life.

But IMO, I hate that scene for two reasons.

1) I thought that cape was a really shoddy prop. Maybe I'm being fussy but I thought it just looked more like a table cloth than a super hero cape.

2) Clark was once again being a jerk in this episode. After showing no sympathy to Chloe about Jimmy, Clark then leaves the gift on the fence to be blown away. This is what happens when Mrs Kent leaves and Lana moves in - good manners go flying out the window!

[Theshadow129x]

yeah him leaving thew cape was once again a sign that he was walking away from his destiny. i mean it runs with what he said before hand he hung "theres not a million people in smallville he doesnt have millions depending on him"


grr!! i hated this episode for so many reasons but the end pissed me off!

[Tottally ~ Free]

Originally posted by wrinkles
[B

- good manners go flying out the window! [/B]


along with the morrals of the future superman.

I fully understand that this is about the journey . but the whole Idea of clark kent/(becoming)superman. is that he has always had these morals .

there not the problem its the stuff along the way.

learning whats right and wrong isn't IMO the journey for him its teaching other people and making a difference you know the whole "your a symbol of peach" "people will look up to you"

well superman's not there yet and this is somethink that said frequently on smallville but its just bonching around the walls and not going anywhere cause not many people believe it when these kinda things are said about svs clark and thats the problem

suit or no suit. its not an excuse. clark smiles and walks around aware but to stupid to except or truely believe. hes in his 20s and he is acting liek a 12 year old.

[KristinKrazy]

Originally posted by monet
Someone gave u a present and that is what u do with it? I am very disappointed superman.

hmm actually yeah, now that you mention it, that is a rather bad way of treating a gift...hmm

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
yeah him leaving thew cape was once again a sign that he was walking away from his destiny. i mean it runs with what he said before hand he hung "theres not a million people in smallville he doesnt have millions depending on him"


grr!! i hated this episode for so many reasons but the end pissed me off!

Umm how can one walk about from something that we all know is going to happen. "Smallville" is basically a prequel, Lex trns evil, Clark ends up with Lois, and Clark becomes Superman. The reason the cape was left on the fence was becase it looked cool flapping in the wind, end of story..

[biggkoz]

I just watched it again and for some reason they had some mexican looking blanket hanging on the other fence kinda taking away form the grand view of the cape...kinda dumb they did that.

[syannlynn]

I think when he was walking away, he should've had it over one shoulder like a suit jacket. And the breeze blowing it would've been an added touch.

I'm sure people would've LOVED to see that.

Almost as big a tease as Brandon Routh and Christian Bale sharing a stage but not in the same shot (MTV Awards...watch it again and look at how fast Brandon jumps away after handing him the award...almost like they've been told to stay apart).

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
Umm how can one walk about from something that we all know is going to happen. "Smallville" is basically a prequel, Lex trns evil, Clark ends up with Lois, and Clark becomes Superman. The reason the cape was left on the fence was becase it looked cool flapping in the wind, end of story..


no its not because its flapping in the wind the symbolism behind the cape was that he was walking away from his destiny for the time being because he doesnt accept what he is meant for hence the line where he says to lana after she talks about saving millions of people and the world "theres not that many people in smallville."

It made me mad because this is the exact opposite of what we've heard a few weeks ago about him trying to accept what he is meant to do. Smallville writers are idiots and whenever they push the guy forward they have him take 34587589734958734985734 steps back to square one where the show started and its not fair nor is it cool. yeah the cape looked cool but its the symbolism behind every scene that makes it more epic that makes you feel like theres a thrill in what you watch. that wasnt here in this moment. He now (once again) has lana so now he thinks he doesnt have to save the world he can just stay in smallville and everything will be peachy which isnt what I want to hear, he should know and understand that with great power comes great responsibility after 7 years of hearing people tell him he's going to someday save the world. ugh

[Atomic girl]

I took it just as it looked: nice flowing in the breeze...

If I had to give it a significance, I would say that he left it outside because you don't display a gift in your house from someone that obviously had some attraction to you, when you have a significant other in your life...

I wouldn't appreciate my husband displaying some gift from someone that showed some attraction to him and acted out on it a bit.....

But more than that I thought it was just a nice "shot" to end with...

[KACM]

Did anyone else catch the colors of the gift? A silver box with a "blue" ribbon and bow; a "yellow" sheet of tissue paper; and of course the "red" cape. very subtle. very clever.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by KACM
Did anyone else catch the colors of the gift? A silver box with a "blue" ribbon and bow; a "yellow" sheet of tissue paper; and of course the "red" cape. very subtle. very clever.

I didnt notice all the colors of the box and the symbolism of the box as well until now. Good eye.


Originally posted by Theshadow129x
no its not because its flapping in the wind the symbolism behind the cape was that he was walking away from his destiny for the time being because he doesnt accept what he is meant for hence the line where he says to lana after she talks about saving millions of people and the world "theres not that many people in smallville."

It made me mad because this is the exact opposite of what we've heard a few weeks ago about him trying to accept what he is meant to do. Smallville writers are idiots and whenever they push the guy forward they have him take 34587589734958734985734 steps back to square one where the show started and its not fair nor is it cool. yeah the cape looked cool but its the symbolism behind every scene that makes it more epic that makes you feel like theres a thrill in what you watch. that wasnt here in this moment. He now (once again) has lana so now he thinks he doesnt have to save the world he can just stay in smallville and everything will be peachy which isnt what I want to hear, he should know and understand that with great power comes great responsibility after 7 years of hearing people tell him he's going to someday save the world. ugh

It appeared that he is walking away from his destiny, but in a way, he is, but in another way, he isnt. Hes not walking away because he dosent want to accept it, ever, hes walking away because hes not ready. Until hes ready to give up EVERYTHING for others, he cannot truly be Superman. Once he lets go off all his ties to Smallville, only then, will he be ready to dawn the cape. As said in the episode, a hero must be alone to walk in his destiny.

[dh1031]

As said in the episode, a hero must be alone to walk in his destiny.Apparently not all heroes. :D There are an amalgam of heroes in comics/films/television that are not alone.



LOL, I get a great laugh everytime I read this thread!!! :D Thanks for the laughs!! :)

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by dh1031
Apparently not all heroes. :D There are an amalgam of heroes in comics/films/television that are not alone.



LOL, I get a great laugh everytime I read this thread!!! :D Thanks for the laughs!! :)

So i guess that Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, all these heroes, started their destiny with help.. They all embrace and walk in their destiny alone. Only when theyve established their role permanately in the world and have set out missions, is when they embrace help, whether they need it or not.

[83kaL]

It was Warrior Angel's cape though

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by 83kaL
It was Warrior Angel's cape though

Yea, we know.. :)

[Theshadow129x]

*gives clark gold kryptonite and burns him, the farm and the cape* :)

[Sweetie]

It was symbolic indeed.Clark hung the cape out over his fence to represent the upcoming man he is to become.But,he's not ready to take this enormous responsability.But,we know he will change his mind :D

[dh1031]

So i guess that Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, all these heroes, started their destiny with help.. They all embrace and walk in their destiny alone. Only when theyve established their role permanately in the world and have set out missions, is when they embrace help, whether they need it or not.Yes, they did have help/mentors somewhere along the way. :)


I think people read way too much into a simple thank you gift!! :rolleyes:

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by dh1031
Yes, they did have help/mentors somewhere along the way. :)


I think people read way too much into a simple thank you gift!! :rolleyes:

Not really, did someone help all those heroes fight their first villains, design their costumes, develop their powers more, and create the hope in fans all around the world, i dont think so.. :rolleyes: :lol: :D

[Serynarpc]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
i dunno if this has been mentioned

the only thing about that scene that makes it look bad is that ever since day 1 of smallville clark has gone by a "save people, take no credit" code and in that scene clark didnt say "Miss davenport you dont have to give me a gift for saving your life"

so clark accepted the gift as part of being on set of the movie and possibly rachels gratitude for staying at clarks house

Thats a good point that I don't think has been mentioned yet. Clark just officially took a present for saving people- and didn't give it back like the otehr times that people felt obligated to give hims omething for his efforts. Perhaps this is doubly symbolic.


Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
it's on the fence because it shows he is not ready to accept his destiny... yet.

I blame Lana

She's so useful. She's like the multi tool for plot holes and 'WTF?! Your Dead? Alive? A Clone? A 'insert sterotype for this weeks episode here'' moments.


Originally posted by Ireallylikethisshow
I didn't like how that... I kind of wanted the cape to be chosen by Clark. Sometimes I don't like all these anvils because it feels like Clark won't do any creative decisions when he becomes supes.

"How did you get that cape, Superman!?"
"Oh, this actress friend just threw it into my lap."

Oh, burn.


Originally posted by dh1031
Yes, they did have help/mentors somewhere along the way. :)


I think people read way too much into a simple thank you gift!! :rolleyes:

Its hard not to. We only have what the writers give us, so we interpret as best we can.

[magoo]

Probably already been said but i don't think there was any real significance in hanging the cape over the fence, it was just an effort to make a nice shot.

[dh1031]

Originally posted by magoo
Probably already been said but i don't think there was any real significance in hanging the cape over the fence, it was just an effort to make a nice shot. Finally, someone else making a rational/reasonable observation!!

[magoo]

Originally posted by dh1031
Finally, someone else making a rational/reasonable observation!!

lol it's easy to try and read too deeply into shows like this and look for symbolism when it isn't there.

To be honest i think it would have been much more symbolic to tuck it neatly away in a drawer or even store it at the FoS.

[Ginx]

I'd like to think it was a sign of his upcoming journey but at the same time - the fact that he hung it on the fence and went to the house was more like he's not going to be going that way just yet and he chooses the house with Lana....... hmmmm

[Boschka]

Or if not a corvette..how about a new red tractor.." Ohhhhh...lookey...shiney"

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by magoo
Probably already been said but i don't think there was any real significance in hanging the cape over the fence, it was just an effort to make a nice shot.

Thats what ive been saying also, it just looked great flapping in the wind is all.

[Chesay]

Thank you JudasAce for the photos. I never dreamed there was such a rich history of "Hero No More" and "Carrying the Damsel in Distress". Since the episode had so many "call outs" to fans of comics and the show, I have no doubt the cape being draped on the fence fell into that long tradition. Wonderful cover photos!

I felt a bit offended that he left the cape like that, but can see why it was left that way now that I've seen the traditional way such things have been handled in the past. In a way it is a strong continuity of the kind I never would have credited Smallville writers with and I'm glad I can now. Like others, I would have preferred for him to sling it back over his shoulder as one would a jacket and see the wind blow it into looking like the cape of a superhero, even if he is a reluctant one. I don't much care for Clark having to be convinced of his destiny, but that seems to be TPTB's vision.

Clark would have had problems explaining why he chose to keep the gift from such a notable, good-looking actress if Lana was acting as she once did.
Their relationship has been so platonic, especially when evaluated in terms of the previous heat and hurry, that I didn't really get the impression Lana cared all that much. Maybe she feels knowing the secret puts her in the inner circle and she doesn't feel threatened as she once might have felt. I'm leaning toward the thought that she is not what she is supposed to be, although I'm not certain what she is.

I've enjoyed reading what everyone thought of the cape ending and got several new vantage points to look at it that I'm sure would have eluded me otherwise. Thanks ya'll.

[Ardiem3]

People need to quit looking so deep into this. He left the cape on the fence showing that hes not exactly ready to be Superman but by having it flap, show that theres hope and that he will someday dawn it. Thats it. Hes not walking away from any destiny, hes just not ready for it.

[JudasAce]

Originally posted by dh1031
Finally, someone else making a rational/reasonable observation!!

So, in an episode filled with references to comic books and comic fandom, there's a shot of one of comic's most iconic images, which also happens to match the whole theme of the episode about Clark accepting his destiny....and it's just a coincidence? Just a nice shot?

[CLSmith]

How about a Pieta pose combined with the hero walking away from their discarded costume...

-cs™

[flying_girl]

i just watched the pieta video and i agree with the comic's poses but the statue and painting were someone dieing in someone else's arm's not being carried but i do remember a famous painting or statue with that pose. cant remember what it is but i went to the smithsonians a few months ago and i think i saw it there.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by simaozinho200
my question is why did he leave the cape on the fence maybe he's not ready for the mantle of superman yet
symbolism

;) I agree with your view. It was a 'tongue-in-cheek' look at the Future and the Superman that's still within. Clark's just Really Not Ready to see himself as a costumed Superhero at this point in his destiny. :\

[iss_hogai]

I interpreted the scene the same as most of the others that have posted here - when Clark first opens the box and removes the cape - he then looks at it and I'm thinking this is pretty cool - but then the next view is of an empty-handed Clark walking back towards the house - the cape (as well as his destiny) discarded - at least for this moment in time...

this all happens after Lana tells him that at some point he is going to have forget about her and realize his full potential - use his extraodinary abilities to help a world in need - but Clark tells her he isn't going anywhere - that for the first time in along time he has everything he has ever wanted and is not about to give that up...

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by iss_hogai
I interpreted the scene the same as most of the others that have posted here - when Clark first opens the box and removes the cape - he then looks at it and I'm thinking this is pretty cool - but then the next view is of an empty-handed Clark walking back towards the house - the cape (as well as his destiny) discarded - at least for this moment in time...

this all happens after Lana tells him that at some point he is going to have forget about her and realize his full potential - use his extraodinary abilities to help a world in need - but Clark tells her he isn't going anywhere - that for the first time in along time he has everything he has ever wanted and is not about to give that up...

It was basically saying, if you want to interpret it as this, is that hes not ready for his destiny, in more ways than one. He cant exactly be Superman before he can fly now can he, so thats one reason why hes not ready...

[jazel]

he's NOT ready.....until he is, Shelby can use it, as a chew toy.:lol:
Lois, has the back-up, RED Blanket.....when he's FINALLY ready !;)

[Eri-El]

Well I think he's getting closer........he wears the same shirt and jacket all the time. And it seems like his blue and red t-shirts keep getting tighter and tighter....might as well be spandex.........:p:p:p

[The Great Ymmij]

Well I think he's getting closer........he wears the same shirt and jacket all the time. And it seems like his blue and red t-shirts keep getting tighter and tighter....might as well be spandex.........:p:p:p

I agree that the shirts are getting tighter, but then again, he is getting buffer. The cape was symbolic for what is to come for the future.

[Eri-El]

I know the cape was symbolic for the future.........but IMO I think he's getting closer to doing it......I can't see him waiting another 5, 10, 15 years before he decides to follow his destiny in his own way.

[pizzaguy19]

That's so obviously where they stole the idea for that scene imo. It looks exactly like the classic comic panel where Peter walks away from the Spider-Man costume that lies in the trashcan after he throws it away. Not to mention, AlMiles were responsible for much of the screenplay in Spider-Man 2...so if you're like me, you won't see that as a coincidence either.


QFT. Nice scene, though to me as well as saying "I'm walking away from this." It also told me "This is what's to come."

[alejandrita439]

It was symbolic; Clark hung the cape out over his fence to represent the upcoming man he is to become.

[Supermania]

I think that's the same cape that Clark will wear when he becomes Superman.

[A MAN OF REASON!]

my question is why did he leave the cape on the fence maybe he's not ready for the mantle of superman yet
symbolism

Maybe so,but most superheroes at one point or another,have questioned themselves about becoming,or being a superhero. From Clark Kent on Smallville, Peter Parker on Spider-Man 2, to Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight. Every superhero deals with the pressures of being a hero. To be who they are,they give up so much in return. And with each hero,there's someone in there ear to remind them of what they're doing and why they do it. That's a major part of why they're heros. And if you look at the examples I've used,they've all wanted to give it all up because of a woman. Clark is still a young man trying to find his purpose. He's still learning life's lessons. Give him some time. His destiny WILL be fulfilled.................. :)

[Simba_Muffy]

He left it outside because it cannot be apart of the Clana relationship. Clois, yes, Clana, no. I'm surprised I'm the only one who figured it out.