What Lex did to Lana has jaded her

[Clana4Life]

Lex's mind games with Lana has really changed her. I think loving and losing a baby that never existed might have driven her a little over the edge. I think it's good that she's keeping tabs on Lex, but it's also just a little disconcerting. I think she might need a little therapy to really let go of her anger and hate. Yoda had a really great saying about anger and what it leads to on Star Wars. I wish I could remember it. It seems like a fitting quote right about now. I hope Lana can heal, move on,and let herself be happy. Because if she can't let go of her anger/revenge, I think it will destroy her.

On another note, Clark said that nothing would ever change his feelings for Lana. I wonder if that's true and he'll be able to stick with her after the truth comes out.

[Jephael]

"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate! Hate leads to suffering!"

She went through the fear and suffering part a lot back in high school as well!

[Clana4Life]

She pretty much running on hate right now. I guess next will be the suffering. Unfortunately, this may cost her Clark. But Lois wants revenge from Lex as well. Heck, Chloe probably does, too. I just hope Lana catches a clue and doesn't ruin her life trying to get back at Lex.

[Runestone]

IMO she's been jaded since at least S3. Think of all the relationships she's had that led to nasty break ups and recycled plotlines...

[Clana4Life]

Yeah, but none of them made her steal and become a sort of stalker bent on revenge. This is a first. But I guess someone drugging you, lying to you and hitting you might make you do crazy things. I wonder if Clark knows all of what Lex did to Lana. Surely, there would be some understanding on his part considering what she went through.

[LoisL]

Meteors orphaning her at 3, being responsible for her best friend's death (Emily), Clark's secrets and lies, meteor freaks obsessing over her, her aunt Nell's rearing style, Henry Small' abandonment, dying around 6 times, Clark breakup/drug use, and Lex, have all jaded Lana over time.

But Lex, true archvillain that he is, is the target for all her concentrated hate and need for revenge.

And Clana4Life, you could argue that Jason started her stealing habits. (the stone) Stalker? She never had to before. Most of the time the guys stalk her instead (including Clark). Ok, I'm being flippant.

[Jephael]

Originally posted by Runestone
IMO she's been jaded since at least S3. Think of all the relationships she's had that led to nasty break ups and recycled plotlines...

Maybe jaded is the wrong choice of words. I'd say she's become somewhat paranoid!

[Clana4Life]

Paranoid? She doesn't think people are watching her. She's constantly watching Lex trying to find out his secrets and anything to bring him down. Is paranoid the right word for that? Maybe vengeful might be the one.

[Jephael]

Nah, I'd say she's more paranoid than vengeful. Remember how serious her tone was when she said how Lex was trying to come between her and Clark?

[Clana4Life]

She was covering to throw Clark off of the truth. She came up with that lie quickly and was quite believable in her deliverance of it. I don't know if she thinks Lex is out to break them up. He might be. He certainly knew he wasn't helping matters by telling Clark that Lana stole from him. Why would Lex do that if not to get back a Lana? Lana might be right. Lex might be trying to break them up. But it seems like their lies and secrets will do that without interference from Lex.

[Vala]

All i have to say is poor Lana :(
and i hope she will tell Clark about her plans

[Clana4Life]

Me, too. Though I think he'd be more understanding if she told him the truth rather than if he finds it out on his own. If he finds it out, then he'll have major trust issues with her.

[operadiva]

Nope she was already jaded...To blame lex..is silly...She is with Clark now and this is how she is reacting...like a crazy *****..and more along the lines of a stepford wife..

[Clana4Life]

Prior to Lex, Lana wasn't faking her death, stealing money or setting up the ultimate stalker watchtower. This is a reaction to Lex drugging her, lying to her, hitting her and the pain of losing a child only to find out it never existed.

[Coyote]

Hanging out with Lex has made Lana smarter and cooler. She's playing stupid Clark for a sucker right now, but deep down she still wants to be with Lex. That's what the stalking is really all about.

[Clana4Life]

You seriously think she wants to be with Lex, Coyote. She hates him to no end. I'm pretty sure she made it clear when Lex hit her that he would never touch her again. She's trying to bring Lex down. He didn't take the wrap for her murder, so she's trying to find out whatever she can to bring him down. It's all about a woman scorned.

[operadiva]

Cop out....Lana is lana..manipulative and smarter than Clark...
She had sex with Lex...
She never was able to leave Clark alone even when she was married..What person would slap the crap out to the other person..when told i love another man or woman if you deeply love them..if you say no then you are kidding yourself..By no means am i saying what he did was right but i do see why he got so passionate about that incident and pummeled her ass...

[closetclana]

It is amazing that anyone on this show has any sanity left considering what they have all gone though.

Has Lana totally gone deep-end? No- I think she is going through some sort of post traumatic stress.

The major difference is that now that she has been with Lex she understands what is possible, what kind of power and leverage can be bought with money and technology. Now she is using Lex's own tactics against him to work out her battered-wife syndrome.

Eventual she is going to have to let this go or she will go mad.

A quote from Hook comes to mind… “You need a mother very very badly.”

[operadiva]

Battered wife syndrome..you made me have a belly laugh..can i say what?
Are you really kidding me...Lana was not even married that long..You are confused...Post traumatic stress?.Jesus...What frickking war did she endure.?
Dude seriously..that is just silly...

[Tottally ~ Free]

Im sorry but WTF is up with lana .Im a lexana fan myself ..but I was Ok with them going at it (enemies way) and her being evil (Ok I really want evil lana)

but Im sorry In the last scene with her she looked like she missed him .

It was kinda hot and cold . Im just getting bored with it .

she either hates him or she doesn't . she's either gonna go bad or she isn't . either way she's gotta sort it out ,.

and don't get me started on clana . I really just don't know what to say ..which makes sense cause there's not much to comment on

[operadiva]

So then Chloe also has post traumatic stress and what ever she has done and will do is okay too...And we can also excuse Clark too..you know the burden it is being special...The stress...the lies..but it is ok...and Lex..oh..he is bald..he has suffered great losses too...his mother...he does not have his fathers love and support..no Lana..oh wait she is shacking up with Clark... his best friend..Oh No ..he too has Post traumatic stress..so you see they all too are not responsible for there actions...

get real.don't make excuses for lana

[TheSupaMan]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
She was covering to throw Clark off of the truth. She came up with that lie quickly and was quite believable in her deliverance of it. I don't know if she thinks Lex is out to break them up. He might be. He certainly knew he wasn't helping matters by telling Clark that Lana stole from him. Why would Lex do that if not to get back a Lana? Lana might be right. Lex might be trying to break them up. But it seems like their lies and secrets will do that without interference from Lex.

Honestly, I only believe it was fair that he told him that. I'm sure he was positive that it wouldn't have broken them up but for some reason, he probably felt he had the right to know and if Lana wasn't going to tell, he might as well.

[liana]

I think the main point here is that Lana never HATED before. When you truly, completely hate someone to the point that Lana hates Lex, you lose your balance. In the end, obsessive hate is not very different than obsessive love, and that's why Lana's atitude is so close to Lex's.

[operadiva]

Another excuse..When do they stop...and say ..Lana own up to your ****.

[Tottally ~ Free]

Originally posted by operadiva
So then Chloe also has post traumatic stress and what ever she has done and will do is okay too...And we can also excuse Clark too..you know the burden it is being special...The stress...the lies..but it is ok...and Lex..oh..he is bald..he has suffered great losses too...his mother...he does not have his fathers love and support..no Lana..oh wait she is shacking up with Clark... his best friend..Oh No ..he too has Post traumatic stress..so you see they all too are not responsible for there actions...

get real.don't make excuses for lana


Im not making excusses for lana.

[operadiva]

Hello Post traumatic stress..a little too far with hat one...

[Coyote]

If Lana really hated Lex, it would be more realistic for her to avoid him, or just go ahead and kill him, or hire somebody else to do it. Instead, she watches him around the clock on the Lex Channel. She tries to tell herself it's about "revenge", but in reality she just can't get enough of Lex.

[operadiva]

but in reality she just can't get enough of Lex.



So true...that witch is up to no good..

[liana]

Originally posted by operadiva
Another excuse..When do they stop...and say ..Lana own up to your ****.

You do know that I am not a Lana fan, or clana fan and I am not trying to find any excuse for her. I am just pointing that what we are seeing with Lana is pure hate. I am not justifying her in any form.

[closetclana]

Perhaps most of you haven’t lived long enough to have anything truly traumatic to happen to you. Huge traumatic things like a miscarriage or a divorce screw with your brain and take time for you to recover.

Not that it is an excuse for going all postal just an explanation.

Let's face it - this is TV - the writers are just trying to keep it exciting for us. Everything we guess is just a guess.

Question: The real reason Lana is doing this stuff?

Answer: TPTB's think it will get ratings.

[liana]

Originally posted by Coyote
If Lana really hated Lex, it would be more realistic for her to avoid him, or just go ahead and kill him, or hire somebody else to do it. Instead, she watches him around the clock on the Lex Channel. She tries to tell herself it's about "revenge", but in reality she just can't get enough of Lex.

I don't think that she is ready to kill him yet. However, if her hate continues to increase, soon enough she will be. :\ Right now, she finds her happiness in torturing him, making him know that she is with Clark, and controlling what he is doing, in order to prepare her own vengeance.

[Scribe]

Come on...battered wife syndrome - this man adored her. True he had some pretty sick ways of showing it and manipulating her but he didn't smack her around, intimidate her or destroy herself esteem, if anything he challenged her to look beyond her small town sensibilities.

I do not think she's stalking him. I think that what he did to her and what she learnt about him has hit at the core of Lana at how much she misjudged Lex. I think that the secrets surrounding both men she loved has made her determined not to be fooled again. In Clark's case, not knowing about him caused six years of wasted time they could have been together and in Lex's case, she was misled entirely about the man she fell for. I think she's watching Lex to ensure that this time they are on a level playing field. If she is the real Lana and not a clone or whatever, she's ensuring that he never is put in a position where he can manipulate her or Clark ever again.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Scribe
Come on...battered wife syndrome - this man adored her. True he had some pretty sick ways of showing it and manipulating her but he didn't smack her around, intimidate her or destroy herself esteem, if anything he challenged her to look beyond her small town sensibilities.

I do not think she's stalking him. I think that what he did to her and what she learnt about him has hit at the core of Lana at how much she misjudged Lex. I think that the secrets surrounding both men she loved has made her determined not to be fooled again. In Clark's case, not knowing about him caused six years of wasted time they could have been together and in Lex's case, she was misled entirely about the man she fell for. I think she's watching Lex to ensure that this time they are on a level playing field. If she is the real Lana and not a clone or whatever, she's ensuring that he never is put in a position where he can manipulate her or Clark ever again.

Interesting take. :)

[simaozinho200]

shes becoming more like lex lies decit and video tapes

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by Scribe
Come on...battered wife syndrome - this man adored her. True he had some pretty sick ways of showing it and manipulating her but he didn't smack her around, intimidate her or destroy herself esteem, if anything he challenged her to look beyond her small town sensibilities.


So true. I really do believe that when people say Lex was wrong for everything he did to her I truly look at it as a way of him trying to prove how much he loved her and needed her in his life. There was a calming yet caring side of Lex that was coming out when he had Lana, but his obsession with 33.1 and discovering the unknown made him lose sight of things temporarily.

I know it doesnt excuse the fact that he was drugging her, but he was trying to show her a side of him for her to love and hang on to while she believed she was pregnant for example the baby room he made for her in last seasons Crimson. Lex's true intentions were to have someone look at him differently than everyone else looked at him and love him- as a good person. He wanted to show that he was capable of loving.

I personally think that in the episode Fallout last season where Clark Lex and Lana stood in the same room at the hospital, Lex developed the thought that Lana still had strong feelings for Clark and would jump directly back into his arms if Lex didnt make things more serious between them. Why do I think that? The way that single scenewent showed there was an awkwardness between everyone. So many thought were going on in everyone's head that I think Lex thought she would leave him like all the other women he's gotten to love. Thus bringing us to what we found out in Rage, Lana was pregnant.

Lex's paranoia of being alone and not being love took over him as the years progressed. If he didnt have a girlfriend or wife he was sure that he had Clark, his best friend, but when he lost that all together he looked at Lana for a way of not being alone but fell in love with her during the time they were friends.

Lex's flaws are because of his infinite cases of bad luck and he just made consciously bad decisions. I admit that he has done some bad things over the years, but nothing for us to think he is truly evil...yet.

besides he's still looking for redemption.

[Honey45]

I agree. Thinking you had a miscarriage is one thing, but for it all to be fake and know that someone purposly made you feel that way.. I won't be surprised if she's a little crazy.

And for the person who said "Lex didn't smack Lana around" - yes, he did.

I know it's just a TV show and fictional characters, but no one should be taking any sympathy on Lex. Sure, he loves her, and that's why he did all this. But if this happened to someone in real life, would you say "Oh it's all fine, he just loved her. That's why he beats her and faked her miscarriage and had cameras in her room. It's not his fault. He's off the hook"? Of course not.
Lex is sick, evil and twisted. No matter what kind of life he went through, he doesn't deserve any sympathy for what he did to Lana.

[Clana4Life]

Exactly Heddy! I don't care if you hit a woman only once - it is abuse. Who knows what kind of damage that causes, not too mention the drugs, lies, fake miscarriage. It is enough to make you a bit crazy. So if Lana is setting up the cam watch to ensure that Lex never manipulates, experiments (um, do you guys remember what he did to Lois' friend "Aries"), or hurts anyone again, then more power to her. If Clark goes all judgmental and A-moral on her after he finds out what she did, then I say move on Lana. There's a cool guy I know named Pete.

[Scribe]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Exactly Heddy! I don't care if you hit a woman only once - it is abuse. Who knows what kind of damage that causes, not too mention the drugs, lies, fake miscarriage. It is enough to make you a bit crazy. So if Lana is setting up the cam watch to ensure that Lex never manipulates, experiments (um, do you guys remember what he did to Lois' friend "Aries"), or hurts anyone again, then more power to her. If Clark goes all judgmental and A-moral on her after he finds out what she did, then I say move on Lana. There's a cool guy I know named Pete.

I'm sorry I object like hell to the use of battered wife syndrome to describe a one off slap that was under extreme emotional provocation.

It denigrates the thousands of women out that who get broken arms and cigarette burns because they burnt the toast.

[Clana4Life]

I'm not calling it battered wife syndrome, but we can't just write off "one time slaps" as if they were nothing and didn't count as abuse or potentially cause trauma. It would definitely shake me up. If we do right it off as just a flip occurence, we give guys the impression that just once under "provocation" (and I'd argue that) is okay and it's not.

[Scribe]

Perhaps you did not mean it that way but I don't think that's a fair term to use. Battered wife syndrome is applied to someone who has suffered years of abuse and simply snaps. Lana got slapped once and at every turn, she was given opportunity to walk away. I'm not saying Lex had a right to hit her, absolutely not but my objection is with the use of that term.

[citizenlen]

Battered wife syndrome constitute as verbal abuse, relationship imprisonment, fear and being abuse emotionally and physically.

I think getting slapped, being fearful hence why she became isolated from friends and family are symptoms of BWS. Another early symptoms is first being in denial that she's in a bad relationship and covering for all her partner's wrongdoings. Like the episode she found out she was pregnant and she tried to deny the 33.1 from Chloe. Common, with the way Lex talks to Lana about not knowing what he's capable of if she leaves, that can trigger some fearful emotions on Lana. Then the biggest abuse of all is Lex implanting fake hormones and her fake pregnancy. Not to mention gave her some "antedote" to think she had a miscarriage. Then lead her on to believe and suffer that it was her fault she lost their baby.

It might not leave bruise or marks but think of the emotional and psychological scar he gave Lana. Sh*t if a guy did that to me I'm going Lorena Bobbit on his arse. I think Lana is definitely a candidate for Battered Wife Syndrome and if she kills Lex she can plead temporary insanity with all the crap she's been through and the brain trauma of getting knocked down for the hundredth time.

At least now she knows CK's secret, her TKO might be broken by Lois or Jimmy.

[DarkseidNow]

Personally, I think the manipulation and the fake pregnancy/miscarriage broke Lana's brain a little.

How could she not become a little obsessed and crazy about not just killing but completely destroying the proprietor of such a despicable act??

[Theshadow129x]

he loves her. surely that excuses lex. he said he was sorry. heck he even said he would leave her alone. isnt that enough? i believe him lol

[Clana4Life]

I know you are just kidding Theshadow129x. Obviously what Lex did does not constitute love.

Great explanation of BWS, Citizeien. She is definitely emotionally scarred. Let's just hope Clark is understanding. But even if he's not and they have to part ways over this, I still understand where Lana is coming from. Clark didn't go through this, so he may never fully understand. I think she should obviously come clean about what she's doing with Clark, but at the same time, Clark may actually rat her out or try to circumvent what she is doing and she can't have that. I guess she's got to do what she's got to do, no matter what the consequences might be. Hopefully she'll find something that can put Lex away and she can take over LuthorCorp. His saying that "he's sorry" is not enough.

[Dustmite]

Lana is NOT a battered wife. Having known people who have been abused in relationships, I feel quite strongly about this term being applied to Lana. I do NOT, in any way condone Lex hitting Lana but Lana by her admittance provoked and provoked him to get that reaction so she could get it onto tape.

Contrast that with women who spend their lives tip toeing around men that will beat them black and blue for closing the door too loudly and you will see it's not the same thing at all.

Lana has obviously been emotionally scarred by her time with Lex and the fake pregnancy but her actions are cold and calculating and she knows exactly what she is doing. A lot of women go through a lot worse then Lana has ever been through and are able to rebuild their lives without resorting to vengence.

[Theshadow129x]

^ Lex truly wants to repent for what he did,though. I am 100% behind Lex. The guy had a fear of losing the person that meant the most to him. I agreed with him when he said that he hopes that all the terrible things he did can show how much he loved her. it showed how much he didnt want to lose her.

Everyone on this site cannot argue with me about the fact that when they fell in love with someone that there was a side of them that didnt want to do whatever it took to keep them, even though it meant crossing the line. Lex did so to keep Lana.

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Exactly Heddy! I don't care if you hit a woman only once - it is abuse. Who knows what kind of damage that causes, not too mention the drugs, lies, fake miscarriage. It is enough to make you a bit crazy. So if Lana is setting up the cam watch to ensure that Lex never manipulates, experiments (um, do you guys remember what he did to Lois' friend "Aries"), or hurts anyone again, then more power to her. If Clark goes all judgmental and A-moral on her after he finds out what she did, then I say move on Lana. There's a cool guy I know named Pete.

I don't know if that one slap constitutes "battered wife syndrome" or not. But definately one slap is considered abuse. Plus, she left him immediately after the first slap. How are we to know that if she stayed, he wouldn't do it again.


I'm led to believe "battered wife syndrome" is when a woman is beaten by her husband and she keeps going back to him. After Lex hit Lana, it was pretty clear she was never going to go back to him. But I could be wrong of the definition of BWS.

[Clana4Life]

And a lot are paralyzed by the emotional scarring. I'm definitely not going to judge her by saying she's cold and calculating. Who knows what they could be capable of it they had gone through what she's gone through. Even for those women who rebuild their lives (and I'm sure Lana eventually will), it takes time to forgive and put the hurt behind them. Surely, we can give Lana more than a month to do that.

And when did Lana admit to provoking Lex to get a reaction? I don't recall her ever saying that. I think she's had that watchtower in operation long before she faked her death and she happened to be recording Lex when he hit her. I doubt that her plan was to make him hit her.

[Theshadow129x]

she did provoke lex to hit her. She sat there and said for herself when he was already pissed about her leaving him, she said she loved clark more than she could ever love Lex. That was provoking him to hit her. she wanted him to do it so she can have evidence to plant against him.

[operadiva]

Theshadow129x...so true..he should have slapped her again and again..Yes i said it..Now that would constitute to being battered...There then he would have cause to be so self righteous about it...She did provoke him and i for one ...Was glad when he slapped her ass..To tell you it wasn't hard enough for me...I was cheering yes..thank you Lex..Kick that ***** to the curb...
Ok..So now i am sure Clana fans will be mad..but frankly i don't give a damn..i got satisfaction..watching that scene...Lana ain't no princess...she knows what she is doing..She is not the innocent bystander in her life...It is her own choices that got her where she is..

[Clana4Life]

No matter what she said, he didn't have the right to hit her and there is no justification for that. Lana was through with the conversation, but then Lex continued it by saying, "You never could get over Clark, could you? Even though he is the biggest liar of them all." Wasn't Lex baiting her with the line, not to mention the fact that HE closed the door, pretty much signifying the fact that she wasn't leaving the mansion. Pretty creepy if you ask me. Lana just told him the truth about her feelings for Clark. Again, I don't think her motive was to get Lex to hit her as some sort of evidence. She couldn't guarantee that he would hit her only that he might get upset at the fact that she was leaving & she left Clark's name completely out of the conversation until LEX brought it up.
But hey, we can agree to disagree.

[operadiva]

Baiting her or not she wasn't smart enough to avoid uttering that line..No wonder the ***** got slapped...Thank you..If she did tell him the truth about her feelings then why did she marry him...Com on I know lionel told her but that ass was not smart to figure out what he was trying to do..Give me a break..Innocent no..i think not..No I disagree completely..Don't make excuses for that brainless tart..

[Clana4Life]

Operadiva, what's the deal with you and your hatred toward Lana? It's just a character on a fictional show. You seem really angry at her as if she were real.

[operadiva]

I hate lana..Yes i do.. ... i just wish they would kill her off...The only time i like her is when she is pair up with Lex...

She when bad..She is at her best..Being this sweet girl i am not buying...Nope ..don't fool me..maybe you...

[Scribe]

I have to admit, I did like Lexana because it was interesting.

As for Lana now, I don't think she has battered wife syndrome. What I think she is - is extremely pissed off for being lied to, for being manipulated and fed up of the men in her life having all the power in their relationship. She's taking control of her own life to ensure that no one is going to manipulate her again. Furthermore, whatever idiotic decisions she made before this, does not justify Lex making her believe she lost a baby. True or fake pregnancy, she thought she lost a real child and finding out otherwise, has made Lana cynical and jaded. Like the anorexic who becomes this way because they have no control of their lives, Lana is n the same boat.

[Clana4Life]

But given what you just said Scribe, does Clark really have the right to judge her for that?

[Scribe]

I never said Clark had the right to judge her but if we're on the subject, I don't think he does. He is part of the problem. From day one, he has been sending her mixed signals. As far as he has indicated, she is the love of his life but when it gets to hard for Clark to be honest, he pushes her away.

I'm a Cloiser but I've never been comfortable with all the Lana hatred largely because the girl's reactions are natural under the circumstances. She has this guy who hates her being with anyone else but will never give her a straight answer. When she confronts him, he dumps her. When she goes to someone else, he gets jealous. He makes sure he hangs around on the periphery of her life, so even when she's broken up with him, she can't get closure. Then if that doesn't beat all, the guy she thinks has been honest with her all the while has made pulled one muther of a lie on her.

She's pissed off and understandably. I object to calling it battered wife syndrome simply because the too liberal use of the term tends to trivialize the horror of it especially for women who get so brutalize that murder is the only option for them. Lex would not have let her go but he would have ensured any cage was a gilded one, unlike true battered wives such as Francine Hughes.

[CLanaF23]

i totally feel bad for lana..i mean she cant find a honest relationship..clark has always kept the secret from her..jason was working wit his mom,,and lex basically made he think she was pregnant and screwed up her head...like you cant blame her for wanting revenge on lex..ho wouldn't?? i think clark will understand cause hes in love wit lana..but im glad her and clark have a honest relationship now..lana just needs to come clean..


Originally posted by Theshadow129x
she did provoke lex to hit her. She sat there and said for herself when he was already pissed about her leaving him, she said she loved clark more than she could ever love Lex. That was provoking him to hit her. she wanted him to do it so she can have evidence to plant against him.

just because she somehow 'provoked' him dont mean he should of hit her..he had no right too...he is just a loser that couldn't handle the truth....hes a punk for hitting her..

[Clana4Life]

Scribe, you make some rather good points. I never called it BWS, I only classified Lex's actions as emotional and physical abuse. I thin it was another poster who called it BWS. What you wrote reminded me of something Lana said during Crimson, "I've stood in this spot so many times and you wait until now," referring to Clark finally wanting to be with her & telling her so while under the influence of Red-K (because only with Red-K can he speak up). I've never understand the hatred towards Lana by some of the posters. People are angry because she dated Lex, as if Lana owed Clark something after he said he did not love her. Lex and Clark were no longer friends. I'm sorry she feels as though she has to lie to Clark about the secret cam tower, but I don't think Clark would be supportive. We can tell this by his reaction to what Lex told him about the money. I'm sorry if this breaks them up. I really hope Clark can understand and move past it (since as he said nothing could ever change his feelings about her"). She's put up with a LOT from him over the years. He used to come up with the stupidest lies. If he can't understand or forgive, then I say part ways. Maybe someone needs to remind him how he almost killed Lionel in Phantom and how he almost killed the guy who stole his Dad's watch, and I think he was about to kill Lex when he thought he murdered Lana. Oh, Clark understands what hating someone can drive you to do. He can't pull a holier than thou. I love Clana but Lex is right - things are always black & white for Clark, and there's a lot of gray to consider with this particular situation. Just my two cents.

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Scribe, you make some rather good points. I never called it BWS, I only classified Lex's actions as emotional and physical abuse. I thin it was another poster who called it BWS. What you wrote reminded me of something Lana said during Crimson, "I've stood in this spot so many times and you wait until now," referring to Clark finally wanting to be with her & telling her so while under the influence of Red-K (because only with Red-K can he speak up). I've never understand the hatred towards Lana by some of the posters. People are angry because she dated Lex, as if Lana owed Clark something after he said he did not love her. Lex and Clark were no longer friends. I'm sorry she feels as though she has to lie to Clark about the secret cam tower, but I don't think Clark would be supportive. We can tell this by his reaction to what Lex told him about the money. I'm sorry if this breaks them up. I really hope Clark can understand and move past it (since as he said nothing could ever change his feelings about her"). She's put up with a LOT from him over the years. He used to come up with the stupidest lies. If he can't understand or forgive, then I say part ways. Maybe someone needs to remind him how he almost killed Lionel in Phantom and how he almost killed the guy who stole his Dad's watch, and I think he was about to kill Lex when he thought he murdered Lana. Oh, Clark understands what hating someone can drive you to do. He can't pull a holier than thou. I love Clana but Lex is right - things are always black & white for Clark, and there's a lot of gray to consider with this particular situation. Just my two cents.



I have to defend both Lex and Clark on this one. Yes, Lex raped her mind but like i said he didn't think his initial true love for her would be enough. We all know how Lana sways when she is with a person for a long time. When she had Whitney, she liked Clark and wasn't sure about her relationship with him. Then there was Jason, she started to want to have Clark back after a while of dating him. When she was with Clark in season 5, she started to like Lex while she was with Clark. She got Lex and wanted Clark back. Lex knew she wouldn't stay if he hadn't done something to keep them together. Thus the pregnancy was put into motion. Alexander's fear of people he loves leaving them is so great that he is willing to cross the line to keep them around.Lex did what he did to keep her with him. I'm not saying he was right in hitting her, but she was provoking him, saying things to spike his anger to have evidence on her.

As far as Clark goes, he has always cared a lot about her, its one of the reasons why he didn't tell her his secret. Another reason is because he didn't think she would accept him. When he broke up with her and said that he didn't love her, it was to really help her find someone else to be with, no matter how much that hurt him to do that. In her anger she went to Clark's enemy, Lex. She knew what she was doing when she did that: She went to Lex to put some real hurt on Clark for what he had done. That,imo, is one of the wrongest things a girl can do to a former boyfriend. She was scorned, but she could also go other places to meet guys, yet she went to Lex to hurt Clark, its why she got into the predicament she was in. She knew what the Luthors were all about, yet for some reason all that went away when she wanted to be with Lex over Clark. She knew what she was getting herself into. Also its funny you all mention what Clark has done to her, but all that matters is what he is currently doing to her, by that I mean loving her and being 100% honest with her yet here she is being a hypocrite about secrets and lies. its wrong. Her secrets are a lot more damaging than his were. when he discovers what shes doing and up to, he'll see a different person entirely, heck he already does. Lana should try to be 100% with Clark and not half ass it this time, but she isn't like that this time around.

[boingo]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
I have to defend both Lex and Clark on this one. Yes, Lex raped her mind but like i said he didn't think his initial true love for her would be enough. We all know how Lana sways when she is with a person for a long time. When she had Whitney, she liked Clark and wasn't sure about her relationship with him. Then there was Jason, she started to want to have Clark back after a while of dating him. When she was with Clark in season 5, she started to like Lex while she was with Clark. She got Lex and wanted Clark back. Lex knew she wouldn't stay if he hadn't done something to keep them together. Thus the pregnancy was put into motion. Alexander's fear of people he loves leaving them is so great that he is willing to cross the line to keep them around.Lex did what he did to keep her with him. I'm not saying he was right in hitting her, but she was provoking him, saying things to spike his anger to have evidence on her.

..... In her anger she went to Clark's enemy, Lex. She knew what she was doing when she did that: She went to Lex to put some real hurt on Clark for what he had done. That,imo, is one of the wrongest things a girl can do to a former boyfriend. She was scorned, but she could also go other places to meet guys, yet she went to Lex to hurt Clark, its why she got into the predicament she was in. She knew what the Luthors were all about, yet for some reason all that went away when she wanted to be with Lex over Clark. She knew what she was getting herself into.


None of this justifies Lex's actions..none of this justifies lying to her and betraying the trust she had placed in him....none of this justifies faking a pregnancy....none of this justifies injecting her with synthetic hormones without her knowledge; violating HER body in the process....none of this justifies making her go through the pain; both emotional and physical of suffering through a miscarriage and the guilt and anguish of the loss of her child.....none of this justifies experimenting on her and creating a clone of her.....A CLONE! etc. etc.

I listed them this way because some seem to gloss over these events as not being that big of a deal in regards to Lana's current state of mind.

Sorry, but getting involved with someone willingly does not condone these evil acts...there was absolutely no way Lana would have EVER known that Lex would hurt, betray, and violate her in this way...She has known him for many years (as a friend and a business partner)....someone who claimed to love her and always had her best interest at heart....She may not have always trusted him but he always managed to prove to her that he did it all for her best interest....so she gave him the benefit of the doubt....she had absolutely no clue the evils Lex was capable of....especially in seeing how much he appeared to love her and care for her well being....so her getting involved with Lex does not justify his actions as being "Less wrong"..... Lex's insecurities of loosing her does not justify these malicious acts as being "less wrong".

This is Lex at his twisted evil best.

And Lana is obviously still suffering from what was done to her.....and I for one am interested in seeing where these writers are heading with it.

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by boingo
None of this justifies Lex's actions..none of this justifies lying to her and betraying the trust she had placed in him....none of this justifies faking a pregnancy....none of this justifies injecting her with synthetic hormones without her knowledge; violating HER body in the process....none of this justifies making her go through the pain; both emotional and physical of suffering through a miscarriage and the guilt and anguish of the loss of her child.....none of this justifies experimenting on her and creating a clone of her.....A CLONE! etc. etc.

I listed them this way because some seem to gloss over these events as not being that big of a deal in regards to Lana's current state of mind.

Sorry, but getting involved with someone willingly does not condone these evil acts...there was absolutely no way Lana would have EVER known that Lex would hurt, betray, and violate her in this way...She has known him for many years (as a friend and a business partner)....someone who claimed to love her and always had her best interest at heart....She may not have always trusted him but he always managed to prove to her that he did it all for her best interest....so she gave him the benefit of the doubt....she had absolutely no clue the evils Lex was capable of....especially in seeing how much he appeared to love her and care for her well being....so her getting involved with Lex does not justify his actions as being "Less wrong"..... Lex's insecurities of loosing her does not justify these malicious acts as being "less wrong".

This is Lex at his twisted evil best.

And Lana is obviously still suffering from what was done to her.....and I for one am interested in seeing where these writers are heading with it.


So that makes it ok for her to sink to his level? No, it doesnt justify what he has done, but it also doesnt justify what she is trying and about to do. She should know revenge isnt the same as justice. She's plotting to try to kill Lex because Lex is just too clean to make everyone see that he is dirty.

But also, her actions dont condone what shes doing to Clark while they are trying to maintain a relationship. Shes the harbinger of the secrets and lies ship now, and Clark is giving his all to her right now but she's not doing the same.

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
she did provoke lex to hit her. She sat there and said for herself when he was already pissed about her leaving him, she said she loved clark more than she could ever love Lex. That was provoking him to hit her. she wanted him to do it so she can have evidence to plant against him.

All she did was say "Clark means more to me than you ever will". How was that provoking him to hit her?

The conversation was recorded, so it's hard to say if that actually was Lana's intention.

But in a general case, saying like that isn't provoking someone to hit you. She was leaving Lex, and she was telling him why. I don't see any evidence of her provoking him in that scene.

Besides, I'm sure she could find enough evidence besides him hitting her.


Originally posted by operadiva
Baiting her or not she wasn't smart enough to avoid uttering that line..No wonder the ***** got slapped...Thank you..If she did tell him the truth about her feelings then why did she marry him...Com on I know lionel told her but that ass was not smart to figure out what he was trying to do..Give me a break..Innocent no..i think not..No I disagree completely..Don't make excuses for that brainless tart..

So because she was too stupid to avoid telling Lex about her feelings for Clark (even though Lex brought him up, not her) she deserved to get hit?

That's a ridiculous thing to say, even about a fictional character..

[Theshadow129x]

yeah the evidence that she used to fake her own death which she stole along with the 10 million dollars as well. yeah smart. thats some evidence

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
yeah the evidence that she used to fake her own death which she stole along with the 10 million dollars as well. yeah smart. thats some evidence

What are you talking about?
I was talking about evidence of all the other dozens of things Lex has done wrong. She lived with him for a while, I'm sure she found a paper or two with incriminating evidence.

[boingo]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
So that makes it ok for her to sink to his level? No, it doesnt justify what he has done, but it also doesnt justify what she is trying and about to do.

I didn't say it was "ok".....This is actually the whole point, Lana isn't "ok" and that is what we are seeing right now going on with Lana. She is still hurting and it is obvious she hasn't healed from what was done to her....we have yet to see the consequences...Will Lana loose herself completely in the process? or Will Lana find a way to stop herself (through her own will/ through the help of her friends and loved ones) before she is completely consumed....I of course am hoping for the latter.

If the writers play it right, it should be interesting to watch...we will see.


...She's plotting to try to kill Lex because Lex is just too clean to make everyone see that he is dirty.

Right now, there no evidence of her "plotting to try to kill Lex"....she has embezzled money and is now apparantly spying on him....that is all we know at this point. If she really wanted him dead she would have pulled that trigger in China.


...But also, her actions dont condone what shes doing to Clark while they are trying to maintain a relationship. Shes the harbinger of the secrets and lies ship now, and Clark is giving his all to her right now but she's not doing the same.

Of course, it isn't right that she is lying to Clark....but again that is the whole point, Lana is not "alright".

[operadiva]

it isn't right that she is lying to Clark.

OK..so what the heck was she doing sititng in front of like a 100 monitors then.?...i didn't see Clark sitting there with her.....And 10 million dollars.. is a little hard to forget...I mean ...i don't think she should have kept it from Clark that she stole the money.....but she knows what kind of person Lex is...Why did she leave it for Lex to say that to Clark..i mean Can we say...that Chick is as stupid.. as you can get....

[M4nfr3]

she's really changed staing with lex...she learnt lot of bad things like lieing or spying...that's not lana's style...she has to cry not to lie and boil of anger...

[Theshadow129x]

The way she is acting doesnt mean its all Lex's fault. He said he would leave her alone and he has been. She wants to be with Clark and he's letting her be with him. That's all. Its not Lex's fault at this point she's invading peoples privacy, styealing money, lying to loved ones and so on and so fourth. Lex is actually trying to redeem himself here people. He's turning into an angel.

[M4nfr3]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
He's turning into an angel.

yeah..like he always tryed to do....

[Theshadow129x]

lol that last part was sarcasm but he's not exactly trying to hurt anyone right now. i mean the guy was funding research to help the meteor challenged (you like what i did there didnt you? because people look down on the meteor freaks, and they are freaks cuz they are different so they are challenged?! you like that? High Five?).

This miss Lana Lang is trying to find ways to destroy a man's life and whose going to eventually try to kill him which isnt cool. No matter what he did to her it doesnt give her the right to be vengeful and sinful. Her lust for revenge is what will eventually kill her relationship with clark. she's wrong for everything that she's on the verge of doing.

[M4nfr3]

yeah...her behave is correct...I meand doesn't she tink about clark?? what would happen if she does something wrong to lex or to another pep? it will destroy clark and their relationship...

[boingo]

Originally posted by operadiva
it isn't right that she is lying to Clark.

OK..so what the heck was she doing sititng in front of like a 100 monitors then.?...i didn't see Clark sitting there with her.....And 10 million dollars.. is a little hard to forget...I mean ...i don't think she should have kept it from Clark that she stole the money.....but she knows what kind of person Lex is...Why did she leave it for Lex to say that to Clark..i mean Can we say...that Chick is as stupid.. as you can get....


I am not sure what your post in refering to....(if it is even a resonse to my post) but your comment about "it isn't right that she is lying to Clark." is precisely true....that is the point I was making....this is Lana's conflict right now....if she was telling Clark the truth then Lana would be "ok" but obviously she is "NOT OK"....As Gough said she has been scarred by Lex's actions (all the ones I listed above) and understandably so after going through such traumatic experiences...so obviously she is going through some emotional and psychological trauma one in which she could loose herself in OR at some point heal from....that is what is going on with her character right now....

Similar to what Chloe is going through with her wanting to be "cured" at all costs even if it meant loosing her memory....if she was thinking rationally she would be honest with Jimmy, she would not find a drastic way out....Same with Lana if Lana was thinking rationally she would be honest with Clark, she would not go through some drastic measures to get to Lex....

These are character conflicts which makes the plots/story very interesting....it doesn't (or shouldn't) put these characters in a clear-cut right or wrong catagory but rather see the hurt, the pain, the mistakes, and hopefully the triumphant resolution from them....it is great.



she's really changed staing with lex...she learnt lot of bad things like lieing or spying...that's not lana's style...she has to cry not to lie and boil of anger...

I am sure she picked up a lot from Lex...I know some see it all as a negative but I can see some of it as a positive...such as being more proactive....not easlily believing or trusting Lex/or others so easily...learning great computer skills (that comes in handy for a job :p ) ....etc. Anyway, I am sure she picked up other "bad" ones as well but hopefully those are the ones she will over come from....we will see what happens.

And yes she probably needs to "let it out and cry" but that is what she is struggling with right now....hopefully the truth will be revealed and Chloe or Clark or someone else will help her heal from the pain and anger of what was done to her.


The way she is acting doesnt mean its all Lex's fault. He said he would leave her alone and he has been. She wants to be with Clark and he's letting her be with him. That's all. Its not Lex's fault at this point she's invading peoples privacy, styealing money, lying to loved ones and so on and so fourth. Lex is actually trying to redeem himself here people. He's turning into an angel.

The cause of Lana's anger/distress/trauma was created by Lex's actions towards her. The horrible things he did to her and the effect it had on her. There is no getting around that. Now, whatever actions Lana is doing right now because of what Lex did to her....will fall on Lana...she is the one who will come out of it unscathed (someone helps her in time) or completely destroyed.

As far as Lex turning a new "rightous" turn.....I would have been really disappointed if Lana believed and trusted him once again (so easily) because then she would have learned absolutely nothing. It is smart and normal for her to not trust Lex anymore....she probably will never trust Lex again after all of the things he did to her....she needs time to heal...something she hasn't done...maybe she will forgive him some day....but it is still too soon. So I am glad she is not believing in Lex < because this to me shows character growth and consistency with what was done to her.

[Clana4Life]

Boingo all of your comments are good and well articulated, but you might as well be talking to the wind. Some of the posters on here are kids - plan and simple as can be determined by the way they present their arguments and the lack of logic in their responses. It boggles the mind when I ask a question: "What has Lana done that warrants this type of hatred?" and the response I get is: "Cause she's stupid - bleep, bleep. I hate her, I hate her." Don't get me wrong, there are some posters who are definitely not a fan of Lana and are able to logically explain why. They and I may disagree but it's generally a pleasant thing to read their posts and share mine. It's only annoying when an immature child starts posting and their posts are all over the board.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Coyote
Hanging out with Lex has made Lana smarter and cooler. She's playing stupid Clark for a sucker right now, but deep down she still wants to be with Lex. That's what the stalking is really all about.

Right on, Coyote.

Once you go Lex, you can't forget the Sex.

It is hard to believe she would hate a person so much like she hates Lex if she was (like Clana fans claim) tricked to think she loved him. She must have really loved him to hate him so much right now. Man, Lexana love is hot! Compare that to the lukewarm Clana roommate situation.

[Clana4Life]

Are you saying that you can't hate someone unless you really love them? If we go with that logic then Hitler really must have loved the Jews and the KKK really loved blacks during the Civil Rights era. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Boingo all of your comments are good and well articulated, but you might as well be talking to the wind. Some of the posters on here are kids - plan and simple as can be determined by the way they present their arguments and the lack of logic in their responses. It boggles the mind when I ask a question: "What has Lana done that warrants this type of hatred?" and the response I get is: "Cause she's stupid - bleep, bleep. I hate her, I hate her." Don't get me wrong, there are some posters who are definitely not a fan of Lana and are able to logically explain why. They and I may disagree but it's generally a pleasant thing to read their posts and share mine. It's only annoying when an immature child starts posting and their posts are all over the board.


that hurts me. i'm not a kid. I'm a 20 year old guy in college actually studying writing and journalism. my defense is truly on Lex's side. I feel as though, in my point of view, lex wouldn't have turned evil had people not left him and given up on him so easily. i mean its just like Clark, that was his best friend but some where along the way he turned his back on him and saw him as his nemesis. lex is trying his best to not be the person we see him being in the future.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
that hurts me. i'm not a kid. I'm a 20 year old guy in college actually studying writing and journalism. my defense is truly on Lex's side. I feel as though, in my point of view, lex wouldn't have turned evil had people not left him and given up on him so easily. i mean its just like Clark, that was his best friend but some where along the way he turned his back on him and saw him as his nemesis. lex is trying his best to not be the person we see him being in the future.

I understand your point, but Lex's past shouldn't excuse his present and future actions.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Are you saying that you can't hate someone unless you really love them? If we go with that logic then Hitler really must have loved the Jews and the KKK really loved blacks during the Civil Rights era. Yeah, that makes sense.

Very different scenarios. People usually "hate" groups of people because of their own shortcomings and fears. It is not a personal hate. It has to do with an agenda they have in their head. It is very different when you hate somebody for personal reasons and are obsessed with them to the point you have to watch their every move.

[Clana4Life]

I won't disagree with you there, Minela. But your previous post made seem as though you were saying, Lana must still really love Lex a lot to hate him so much" or that Lana must have really loved Lex a lot to hate him so much now. I don't think that love has to enter the equation at all to hate someone even in the personal arena. For example, someone might make some lose their job or cheat them out of a job, use them to rise higher on the job ladder, etc., that could lead to some pretty dangerous hatred. Or someone could be responsible for the death of a loved one. Obviously that could lead to intense hatred. My point is that Lana's hatred of Lex now is not an indication of how much she loved or still does love him. I do not think that hate is an extreme form of love. Lana hates Lionel intensely, too, as we will see in an upcoming episode. To my knowledge there was no love between them.

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I understand your point, but Lex's past shouldn't excuse his present and future actions.

I think his past and present is an excuse for future actions. Lex is a sympathetic villian. Alot of the of the time his evil actions could be left at bay by someone he cared about staying next to him and showing him that they care. Season 1 through 4 of smallville showed that. The minute someone turned their backs on him , he had no one else there to keep his evil in check. And lets face it, its hard to keep things in check when you don't care for yourself because everyone you cared about left you behind.

Its hard on Lex to draw a line between whats right and wrong because he doesnt have anyone to care for by his side and the people he does care for left him or died. He did a desperate action to keep one of the last remaining good thing in his life, he initially didnt mean to scar Lana the way he had, hell i think he didnt mean to hurt her the way he did.

[Clana4Life]

Wow, wish people could show Lana the type of sympathy that you show Lex, Theshadow129x. She hasn't done 1/10th of the crazy things Lex has done. And yet people are ready to burn her at the stake. We could argue the same things about Lana that you do about Lex: she lost her parents at an early age, aunt left her during her teenage years, pretty much raised herself, the one guy that she really loved kept stringing her along (yeah, I'm talking about Clark), she never could quite get over him, he kept hurting her with his secret and lies, dated a couple of guys that turned out to be insane and tried to kill her, Jason's mother tried to kill her, possessed by crazy witch, turned into a vampire, started taking a drug that would give her five minutes in Heaven just so she could see her parents again, kidnapped to find a ship, kidnapped to find Kal-el, left in a building to blow up, always feels completley alone, forced to marry a deranged sociopath, lost a baby that didn't exist, was shot, knocked out, knocked out again and again, stabbed and slapped, etc., etc. It's a wonder this girl isn't at Belle Reeve. I'm sure someone will say that Lana brought all of this on herself, but obviously a lot of that was out of her control (i.e., her parents death).

[Twitch]

I see what you mean Clana4Life, she definitely has it rough on these boards, and you're right a lot of the stuff that has happened to her has been out of her control. I just wish her character was written better. I've never hated her or absolutely loved her, it's always been somewhere in the middle for me. Although I really liked her in seasons 1 and 2, and in certain episodes in later seasons, when KK wants to she can really act. I must admit I get really tired of all the hating and bashing though, it never ends, and I hate to say it but it seems that the majority of this hate stems from bitter, hardcore Chlark fans.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
I think his past and present is an excuse for future actions. Lex is a sympathetic villian. Alot of the of the time his evil actions could be left at bay by someone he cared about staying next to him and showing him that they care. Season 1 through 4 of smallville showed that. The minute someone turned their backs on him , he had no one else there to keep his evil in check. And lets face it, its hard to keep things in check when you don't care for yourself because everyone you cared about left you behind.

Its hard on Lex to draw a line between whats right and wrong because he doesnt have anyone to care for by his side and the people he does care for left him or died. He did a desperate action to keep one of the last remaining good thing in his life, he initially didnt mean to scar Lana the way he had, hell i think he didnt mean to hurt her the way he did.

No. Just because someone's past was horrible doesn't give that person the right to make others' horrible in turn. I don't care if everyone turns their back on Lex. There's a reason for it. His actions have no excuse and there is no way to justify those actions either.

It seems you take on the same philosophy as Lex in this argument. Nothing is Lex's fault, just everyone else's who turned away from him.

[Clana4Life]

Hey Twitch, I get tired of it, too. No one is bashed as much as Lana. It probably wouldn't be so bad if everyone were bashed equally or almost as much. But it's like we have the "saint box" that includes everyone on the show besides Lana and then we have the "deplorably horrible beyond repair evil character that must die box" in which Lana is thrown in.
I didn't realize the majority of those bashing Lana were Chlark fans. I don't think Clark would fall in love with Chloe even if Lana was not around. Surely bashing Lana because she's taken a place in Clark's heart that Chloe has not, isn't going to change things. If Lana were taken off of the show, I think Clark would skip over Chloe and start falling for Lois. They played with that a bit in Season 5, I believe. Chloe was a bit jealous. I like Chloe but TPTB don't seem to interested in a Chlark love story.
Given what Lana has gone through, can she get some slack?

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by Minela
It has to do with an agenda they have in their head. It is very different when you hate somebody for personal reasons and are obsessed with them to the point you have to watch their every move.

Maybe there's a thin line between love and hate but you CAN hate someone you once loved without there being any residual feelings of love. I don't believe Lana has any love for Lex now.


I hate to say it but it seems that the majority of this hate stems from bitter, hardcore Chlark fans.

It's best not to generalize a fan group as bitter.


Surely bashing Lana because she's taken a place in Clark's heart that Chloe has not, isn't going to change things.

My discontent with Lana's character is to do with the inconsistent way she is written and how other characters act around her. And as for what Lana has gone through, all of the characters on the show have been put through the mill.

[Theshadow129x]

Is everyone against me here? I dont think its fair. I dont hate Lana, I loved her in teh first two seasons just didnt like her beyond this point. but lex going evil is different from Lana going evil or crossing the line. Lex simply didnt know where the line is drawn to cross it because he didnt have the proper guidance to know where it is, Lana has had a good upbringing and is crossing it. Im not a Chlark fan nor am I a Clana fan i just simply watch the show as it goes. and I don't take the same philosophy as Lex, but i do believe in going to teh extremes to show someone you love them.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
Is everyone against me here? I dont think its fair. I dont hate Lana, I loved her in teh first two seasons just didnt like her beyond this point. but lex going evil is different from Lana going evil or crossing the line. Lex simply didnt know where the line is drawn to cross it because he didnt have the proper guidance to know where it is, Lana has had a good upbringing and is crossing it. Im not a Chlark fan nor am I a Clana fan i just simply watch the show as it goes. and I don't take the same philosophy as Lex, but i do believe in going to teh extremes to show someone you love them.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything, it's just that your argument comes off as saying that Lex has the reasons and excuses to commit the actions that he has without fault. That he's justified in the horrid things that he does because of the way he was brought up. I don't agree with that. That's all.

[Theshadow129x]

^ you know SecretzNlyz i like you. lol. our debates have been awesome. same with you Clana4life. lol

[SecretzNLyz15]

Yeah, it is fun. It's debating, not name calling and insulting each other, which is a breath of fresh air I must say..lol.

[Clana4Life]

"Going to the extremes to show someone you love them," eh Theshadow129x? Err, could you explain? Because the extremes that Lex took are positively insane. You don't trick a woman into marrying you by dosing her up with drugs to make her think that she is pregnant, then give her further drugs to "fake" miscarry. And you definitely don't slap her to show your utmost affection. Yeah, that's definitely going to the extremes all right. Whether it's showing someone that you love them -- uh, somehow people tend to get the wrong idea when you do things like that to them. ;)

[Theshadow129x]

lol ok okay you got ur point across with that one Clana4life.

I have a girlfriend of 3 years. I guess my extremes of showing her i love her is like rushing to an airport before she leaves to tell her to marry me just so i wouldnt have to live my life without her...not dosing her up on hormones and saying 'haha i got you pregnant now marry me!" and i wouldnt put a hand on her. :)

but i guess lex was doing whatever he could to keep her with him. i mean in a true sense lex looked at lana as though she was truly his last chance at true love, because lets face it, he had known her since she was 14 or 15 and she had never shown an interest of his money, just his friendship. Every woman that came into his life was always after his fortune or his company (im looking at you Victoria Hardwick....though you were so super hot in that one movie Survival Island and so totally nude :) ) with Lana, Lex knew he wouldnt have something else so natural nor so real...Lana was his last chance for a real kind of love because he thought she was the "Reason, the reason why we arrrre heeere" (Earth, Wind, and fire song people) I truly believe he didnt mean to hurt her once he had her heart, it just so happened he did hurt her in order to secure the relationship.

[xrayvision]

^^Yeah, good post. His paranoia of losing her to Clark made him do all those horrible things.

[Theshadow129x]

eh i dont think it was his paranoia xrayvision, I believe it was him knowing for a fact that Lana wouldnt have stayed with him very long. I mean, Lets be honest, in that scene from Fallout (the episode that Raya had a hole burned right through her last year) Lex saw that lana still had feelings for Clark when all three of them stood in the medical center together. I think Lex initially knew she wasnt going to stay with him for much longer. She might not have been gonig back to Clark but she wasnt going to stay with Lex. Lex took the initiative to fix that little problem he saw going on and thought of an excellent way to keep her with him.It was evil, it was manacle, but it kept her there.

[xrayvision]

But I think Lex was already drugging her by then. It was in Fallout where she had her cravings. I never did understand why Lex acted surprised in Static. He knew Lana couldn't see or hear him, yet he still acted surprised. That was a plothole, just like Jason and Genevieve arguing amongst themselves in season 4 when Jason was revealed to be a villain.

[Theshadow129x]

i think lex's amazement was through the fact that the drugs had worked. maybe theres no real way of explainging that one but i think it was because he couldnt believe the drugging worked and that she bought the fact she was pregnant. and also he saw a different side of her when she thought she was pregnant and that was a woman that was dependent on him and actually believed she needed him something he hadn't gotten a glimpse of before.

[chantal]

Maybe I'm trying too hard to bring reality to the cloning story, but how's this for an explanation? If, in the real world, you wanted to clone a human, I think you would start the procedure the same way you would with in vitro fertilization (a test tube baby). You start by giving the woman hormone treatments so that she produces multiple eggs, because it takes many tries before one "takes." So maybe the purpose of the hormone treatments was to create a clone, and Lex wasn't expecting Lana to think she was pregnant. But after she did get that idea, he had to go along with her belief to keep her from finding out about the clone.

Or it's possible that the hormone treatments were for the cloning, but also made a natural conception more likely, and he really believed she had gotten pregnant.

Of course, in a recent interview, Gough clearly said Lex faked the pregnancy to get Lana to marry him, but maybe that was a red herring! I think it would be a lot more interesting if that wasn't the real story.

[Theshadow129x]

Red Herring? chantel wha are you talking about? this isnt a pup named scooby doo! this is Smallville.

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[Minela]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Wow, wish people could show Lana the type of sympathy that you show Lex, Theshadow129x. She hasn't done 1/10th of the crazy things Lex has done. And yet people are ready to burn her at the stake. We could argue the same things about Lana that you do about Lex: she lost her parents at an early age, aunt left her during her teenage years, pretty much raised herself, the one guy that she really loved kept stringing her along (yeah, I'm talking about Clark), she never could quite get over him, he kept hurting her with his secret and lies, dated a couple of guys that turned out to be insane and tried to kill her, Jason's mother tried to kill her, possessed by crazy witch, turned into a vampire, started taking a drug that would give her five minutes in Heaven just so she could see her parents again, kidnapped to find a ship, kidnapped to find Kal-el, left in a building to blow up, always feels completley alone, forced to marry a deranged sociopath, lost a baby that didn't exist, was shot, knocked out, knocked out again and again, stabbed and slapped, etc., etc. It's a wonder this girl isn't at Belle Reeve. I'm sure someone will say that Lana brought all of this on herself, but obviously a lot of that was out of her control (i.e., her parents death).

I'm cutting Lana the slack of her parrents's death, but that is it. He relationship drama with Clark was just teenage stuff and not something that would scarr her for life. Unlike Lionel's mental torture on Lex throughout his entire life. As for your comment she had practically raised herself, that is just not true and really unfair towards Nell. Nell took her in, adopted her, made sure she had everything in life, a home, a horse, a normal life, love, etc. Just because Nell got married and Lana couldn't deal with it (selfishly IMO), and didn't want to leave Smallville to go the long distance of 3 driving hours to Metropolis. *rolling eyes, seriously rolling eyes at this one* I mean, a worman like Nell, still in her prime, why wouldn't she get married to the man she loved? She doesn't owe Lana to stay single with her in Smallville and just be there for her. Plus, her boyfriend did whatever he could to include Lana in the new family (and Lana thought he was being annoying and didn't make an effort at all), than she throws a hissy fit because her life is going to change soooooo dramatically *violins playing*.

So her best friend Chloe and her father offer her their home out of the goodness of their heart. And how does she repay them? With secrets and lies, that is how. That doesn't sound like somebody who was slapped around by life, it sounds like a whiny teenager to me.
While we are on the whiny teenager subject...I thought what she did to Whitney was just horrible and selfish and most of all cowardly. She couldn't tell him to his face she didn't want to be his girlfriend. She couldn't wait for him to get back from WAR, but had to send him a "Dear John" video? Lana is just horrible with breakups. Did she even proparly break up with Jason before moving in on Clark right away?

Okay, back to the Sullivan household. She blamed Chloe (I believe it was in "Truth") and she felt like she wasn't treated nicely and that is why she was leaving for Paris. I mean, these people took her in, gave her a roof over her head because the princess didn't want to live three hours away from her coffe shop, and she repays them by sneeking off to Paris? Nice.
The whole witch and vampire fiasco is just a sideffect from being from Smallville, all the characters have went through weird stuff like that, so I have no sympathy. I do feel bad about Jason turning out to be a psycho and his mother trying to kill her. I guess I'll cut her some slack there.
As for the drug use after Clark broke up with her? No. Unless we are now going to baby and feel sorry for every heroin addict trying to score his next fix. Boo hoo, her boyfriend broke up with her, it must be devestating.
As for all the kidnapping and being in danger stuff. In Smallville, who doesn't have that problem. I guess it is a good thing Clark Kent allways rescues her.

I do have another thing I'm angry at her to gripe about that wasn't mentioned. By now we know about Lex faking the pregnency and cloning her, etc. She is angry about it, can't really blame her. Okay. Fine. I'll give you that.
BUT! On her wedding day, she did not know any of those things. For all she knew Lex was the guy who trusted her, who shared his innermost secrets with her and bared his soul to her (remember he told her about his desire to be loved by somebody as pure as her and how he thinks he is unworthy of love *sniff*). For all she knows, she is carrying this man's child, for all she knows this man loves her from the bottom of his heart and this man opened up his home to her, sent her of fancy trips, bought her clothes, etc. She agreed to marry him, she on the morning of their wedding day, played the happy blushing bride, she planed a beautiful wedding and everything. This man, was wating for her at church, in front of his friends, business collegues, family, and press...and she was just going to leave him a cowardly letter. That is Lana Lang for you. She did it to Whitney, she didn't even bother to say anything to Jason (at least the rest got a note), and now she wanted to do it to Lex. On TOP of all that, she is kissing her old flame on her WEDDING DAY. She was going to humiliate Lex (keep in mind she doesn't know about the fake baby or clone, etc. All she knows is this guy loves her and deserves her respect) in fron of all those people.

Don't get me wrong. A bride (and groom for that matter) has the right to change their mind no matter how much the other person loves them. I don't blame her for changing her mind and backing out of it. I DO blame her for the way she was going to sneak out on him. You just don't treat people like pieces of garbage if you are a supposed good person. You don't just smile and pretend to be happy in the morning while planing all the time to leave the person at the altar. She could have told Lex the week before, she could have told Lex the day before, the night before, that morning...but she was a COWARD. Not even that. She was such a hypocrat, that she planned to go through with the wedding if she didn't find out Clark's secret. She planned the wedding and would have gotten through with it if she haddn't found out Clark's secret. So it all depended on the STUPID secret. If she hadn't found out the secret, I guess Lex would have been good enough for her. What a hypocrat and coward.

And I was supposed to feel sorry for her when she went down the isle, selflessly, *rolling eyes, vomiting*, giving herself to Lex because big bad Lionel made her, boo hoo, and the tears in her eyes, and the longing looks....
Give me a break! This is the same woman who didn't think twice about the father of her unborn child (keep in mind she doesn't know yet, and neirther does the audience) and his feelings and the love she professed to him in 'Static'.

And that is why I have no sympathy for Lana Lang.

[operadiva]

I can cut her some slack..enough where she can hand herself..But then again.... no need to.. she will doing a pretty fine job right now on her own..by the way things are going..Mrs.Luthor will indeed swallow that chicken ball that ends it all

[Theshadow129x]

i can cut her some slack for the whitney thing i mean she thought it was best to stay with him because of his father and wanted to be there to support him but other than that i dont feel sorry for her mostly because of the reasons you've stated Minela

[Clana4Life]

Wow, Minela, who knows when Whitney would have gotten back from war. They were in high school. There is no perfect way to break up with someone. As Theshadown129x pointed out, she stayed with him that long because of his father.

And what secrets and lies did she keep from Chloe and Chloe's father? As I recall she left for Paris because of Clark. And she did say something to Jason. Don't you remember when she told Jason that they hadn't been able to recapture what they had since they left Paris? She pretty much told him it was over and that's when he went all psycho.
On to the wedding day...Remember now that she found out about Clark's secret the day of her wedding. Not weeks before, not days before, but the actual day. They kept showing it from Lex's, Clark's, and Lana's perspectives but it was the same day. It was Neil who essentially told her not to go through with the wedding until her conscious was clear. It was when she heard that Clark still loved her in addition to seeing him display his powers that she decided that she couldn't marry Lex. At this point Lex had already left mansion. He was at the church killing someone as I remember. I think it would have been more humiliating if Lana had arrived at the church just say, "sorry everyone, I changed my mind." I guess it was too hard for her to say it to Lex in person. Would she have married Lex if she hadn't found our Clark's secret? I don't know, probably, but we can't know for sure. She was already beginning to have issues with unresolved issues with Clark, so she might have told Lex she needed more time to sort things out. I never doubted that Lana loved Lex. She just loved Clark more. The greater injustice would have been to marry Lex knowing how fully and completely she is still in love with Clark. So whereas her method of breaking off the relationship wasn't perfect, she still made the right decision. You shouldn't marry one person when you are so clearly in love with someone else. And if you just so happen to realize this on your wedding day, best to break it off then. Very few breakups are amicable and lovely.

[operadiva]

Yet another...explanation why Lana is the little lamb that needs protecting...You can put her as high as you want to on that pedestal..Clana4Life.....Clark will not be able to reach her...she will have aspired to saint hood...

[M4nfr3]

Originally posted by xrayvision
^^Yeah, good post. His paranoia of losing her to Clark made him do all those horrible things.


r u really sure?? i mean...he started doin bad thing long time before he was engaged with lana...the things about clark...looking inside of his life trying to find out who he really is...is that a good thing?

and he always had some interest in meteor freak...that i guess what started 33.1 project..and of course...that "lana thing" made the rest...

[Minela]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
On to the wedding day...Remember now that she found out about Clark's secret the day of her wedding. Not weeks before, not days before, but the actual day. They kept showing it from Lex's, Clark's, and Lana's perspectives but it was the same day. It was Neil who essentially told her not to go through with the wedding until her conscious was clear. It was when she heard that Clark still loved her in addition to seeing him display his powers that she decided that she couldn't marry Lex. At this point Lex had already left mansion. He was at the church killing someone as I remember. I think it would have been more humiliating if Lana had arrived at the church just say, "sorry everyone, I changed my mind." I guess it was too hard for her to say it to Lex in person. Would she have married Lex if she hadn't found our Clark's secret? I don't know, probably, but we can't know for sure. She was already beginning to have issues with unresolved issues with Clark, so she might have told Lex she needed more time to sort things out. I never doubted that Lana loved Lex. She just loved Clark more. The greater injustice would have been to marry Lex knowing how fully and completely she is still in love with Clark. So whereas her method of breaking off the relationship wasn't perfect, she still made the right decision. You shouldn't marry one person when you are so clearly in love with someone else. And if you just so happen to realize this on your wedding day, best to break it off then. Very few breakups are amicable and lovely.

I'm sorry to say it, but that is such ********. I had clearly stated that anyone has the right to say no to a marriage, but nobody has the right to treat the person who loves them like disposible objects, like garbage. She was clearly not ready to marry Lex the night before her wedding day. An honorable and good person would have told him then and there that she needed more time. Lana didn't do that. What she did instead was sneek around trying to find out the all mighty secret. She got out of bed early, sneeked around, when Lex found her she pretended to be all happy. She could have even told him there by the fireplace that she had second thoughts. It would have been more honorable than to let him be humiliated in front of the world. If she was really just soooo in love with Clark, she would have told Lex the wedding was off then or the night before. You don't marry one man because your "true" love is still lying to you. That is awful! And for her turly to "love" Clark, she just had to know the all mighty secret. She just couldn't let it go and trust him. She already found out that he must have a special power and was helping people. We saw that in "Freak". So if she would have found out Clark didn't have a power, than would she have married Lex?

The truth is: Lana had doubts and she was too much of a COWARD to let Lex know in person, she had to resort to the sleeziest method of a break up, and let him be humiliated in front of everybody. What kind of a person does that to somebody they love?

[Theshadow129x]

that is true Minela i have to say. Lana wasnt even sure if she wanted to marry lex i mean we saw that in Aqua. She went to Chloe and told her about the proposal and said that if it had been Clark then she wouldn't have hesitated. *that was a lie because if you remember the 100th episode she did hesitate and had to get the approval of lois to say yes* so what did she do she went to Clark at the end of the episode to see if he still had feelings because episodes before he said he thought his regrets everyday. So she came to Clark in hopes that he would take her back instead of her marrying lex. And what happened in that episode? He told Lana that he didnt want to be with her because he knew she was pregnant with Lex's kid and with that said she didnt have any defense and decided to go to Lex and say she loves lex and chose him to spend the rest of her life with. and keep in mind she believes she normally pregnant at this point and she tried to pass herself off to Clark.

[Clana4Life]

In the 100th episode she hesitated because she had found out about Clark's secret and he proposed in the same hour, so that was the cause for the hesitation. If he had proposed "without her knowing the secret" she wouldn't have hesitated, and that's what she was referring to when she talked to Chloe. If Clark were to propose now, she wouldn't hesitate. A lot of things have changed since the 100th episode. Also, she told Lex the truth - that she loved both of them in that episode you are referring to. She said she probably always would love Clark. But she said that Lex was honest with her and therefore she chose to be with him. I think Lana would have given Clark one last chance to come clean - and that's why she went to the barn. She wouldn't have automatically gotten back with Clark if he had persisted in keeping his secret from her. Lex is the one who still wanted to marry her knowing that she loved two men.

As far as the 'Dear John' letter on her wedding day. I don't think it is the best method for breaking up with someone. But her intention was not to humiliate Lex. I think we can both agree about that. She just couldn't marry him. It's not as though Lana planned to hurt him, but either way (whether she told him in person or not or the night before or the week before) he was going to be hurt. Even if it is a "cowardly" way to break up with someone, that doesn't make her evil. It just makes her bad at break-ups. I don't think that's enough to warrant the hatred that her character gets from posters.

[M4nfr3]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
In the 100th episode she hesitated because she had found out about Clark's secret and he proposed in the same hour, so that was the cause for the hesitation. If he had proposed "without her knowing the secret" she wouldn't have hesitated, and that's what she was referring to when she talked to Chloe. If Clark were to propose now, she wouldn't hesitate. A lot of things have changed since the 100th episode. Also, she told Lex the truth - that she loved both of them in that episode you are referring to. She said she probably always would love Clark. But she said that Lex was honest with her and therefore she chose to be with him. I think Lana would have given Clark one last chance to come clean - and that's why she went to the barn. She wouldn't have automatically gotten back with Clark if he had persisted in keeping his secret from her. Lex is the one who still wanted to marry her knowing that she loved two men.

As far as the 'Dear John' letter on her wedding day. I don't think it is the best method for breaking up with someone. But her intention was not to humiliate Lex. I think we can both agree about that. She just couldn't marry him. It's not as though Lana planned to hurt him, but either way (whether she told him in person or not or the night before or the week before) he was going to be hurt. Even if it is a "cowardly" way to break up with someone, that doesn't make her evil. It just makes her bad at break-ups. I don't think that's enough to warrant the hatred that her character gets from posters.



yeah but clark had a good reason not telling the truth to lana...and guess what? lex did it all the time...hiding his project...all the lies he told to lana? come on...

[Clana4Life]

Whether his reason for not telling her was a "good reason" or not is subjective. At one point he didn't tell her because he didn't think she would understand. he had no reason to think that - she'd never indicated that she wouldn't understand or wouldn't still feel the same way about him and I'm speak prior to the 100th episode. Even after the 100th episode she told him it wouldn't matter if he were meteor infected, he'd still be the same Clark Kent to her. It just seemed like a lame reason not tell her the truth. I'd buy the whole "I'm protecting her" line more so than the "I'm scarred of how she might react," garbage. Yeah, Lex did lie and Lana didn't know that prior to marrying him. Does her ignorance of Lex's lies make Lana evil? I don't think so. At best it makes her too trusting and at worst it makes her naive.

[Theshadow129x]

oh you know what? forget that! that all doesnt change the fact that after a break up lana went to lex and had the idea of dating him. she only used Lex for comfort she didnt really love him. How is it love when she has doubts about being with him after she gets 'pregnant'? Lana was jaded before what lex did to her to be honest. and on top of it all I think Lana should get on her knees and apologize to lex and reconcile i mean the guy did those things to prove he loved her and wanted her to be with him its not fair he deserves more than that.

[Clana4Life]

Hey Theshadow129x, don't you remember that Lex pursued her? Even when she was with Clark he kept always trying to badmouth Clark to Lana. He always kept saying things like, "I'd never lie to you, Lana. I'd never keep a secret from you, Lana. Clark must not trust you like I do, Lana." So, Lana finally did turn to Lex. I really think that she loved him, but that she didn't know how he would react to the news of a baby. It's one thing to date a guy, it's a totally different thing we you get unexpectedly pregnant by him. I think she had concerns. Lex may have been a rebound guy, but I think she genuinely loved him (not as much as Clark). Then once she found out the truth, she hated him. But you can love some one and still have doubts about whether it's meant to be. There are dozen songs about that sort of thing - even songs by Earth, Wind & Fire about it. ;) You guys keep throwing those "Lana bashing balls" and I keep knocking them out of field. It's another homerun.
By the way, I don't know that Lex "proved that he loved her," but he sure proved the lengths to which a mentally unstable person will go to in the name of so called "love." Real proof of love is a guy running to the airport to propose to you because he can't bear to be without you. When you compare something like that to Lex's crazy actions, you see that Lex really, really missed the mark - big time.

[operadiva]

Are you serious? she was already jaded...enough said...This loonie bin..needs help....maybe should stop spying on Lex and put the money to good use ..like a shrink..

If Lex is the Villian ..Lana must be the village idiot!!

[CDLBLUE]

If Lana actually believes that she has the brains or money to outwit the Luthor's, she really does belong in Belle Reeve, we are talking about a women who for whom it took six years to figure out that the man she loved was a super being and the same amount of time to figure out that the man she had sex with and agreed to marry was a criminal. psycho. A women who didn't even bother to get a second opinion on her pregnancy, who didn't know that she was being shot with hormones and that Lex was making a clone of her, who Lionel Luthor was able to bluff quite easily. Lana is undoubtedly jaded, but she is equally stupid as well, if one doesn't trip her up the other one undoubtedly will, but beyond that , just what is she seeking revenge against, Lex's medical rape of her body, his lies and deceit, the fact that deep down she knows that has lost Clark forever, all of it she brought on herself, when she went to live in the Luthor's mansion, she knew was walking into a nightmare, and that grew out of the fact that deep down she is no better than Lex himself. and part of inner self welcomed it. and wanted to be a part of that sick world, and with the power and wealth that went with it.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
As far as the 'Dear John' letter on her wedding day. I don't think it is the best method for breaking up with someone. But her intention was not to humiliate Lex. I think we can both agree about that. She just couldn't marry him. It's not as though Lana planned to hurt him, but either way (whether she told him in person or not or the night before or the week before) he was going to be hurt. Even if it is a "cowardly" way to break up with someone, that doesn't make her evil. It just makes her bad at break-ups. I don't think that's enough to warrant the hatred that her character gets from posters.

The fact remaines that Lana was sneeking around on her wedding day, deceiving Lex about how happy she was. She, the Queen of Lies and Secrets, that she keeps crying about, has deliberatly deceived her fiance. But okay, whatever. The thing that really gets me going in this whole thing is that she did not do it to deliberatly humiliate Lex, like you said. She did not even stop to think how that would impact him, she did not care about his feelings, she did not put herself in his shoes for one split second to realize what kind of a blow she is delivering with her actions and that cowardly letter. Shame on you Lana Lang! Shame on you!

It is no secret that I have always disliked Lana and loved Lex, so I will explain in my next statement what drove the last nail into my Lana hatered coffin. And I will forever hate her for that, she has even tainted the comic book Lana for me.

She knows Lex full well, she knows how much he has suffered in his childhood, she knows about his mother and she knows about his father's psychological torture. The loss of his brother, the mistrust of all people that come in contact with him, etc. She knows Lex has never felt love and always craved it. He even told her how he hoped somebody like her could look past everything he is and still love him. She knows he is emotionally crippled.

So, in "Phantom" she threw it all in his face. She kicked an emotionally crippled person while he was down, telling him that she never loved him, and worst of all that he didn't even know what love was. That was the last straw, when I heard her say that, I wished Lex would have shot her right then and there. She was everything to him, his last chance to be loved by another person, something he desperatly needs and she goes ahead and ripps his heart out and spits on it.

See, that makes her evil. IMO. It is the same as if she would have said to a person in a wheelchair, "Ha! You will never feel the grass on your bare feet and run down a beautiful meddow." or telling a blind person, "You will never see the beauty of this sunset! Mwahahahaha!"

[Clana4Life]

Originally posted by Minela
See, that makes her evil. IMO. It is the same as if she would have said to a person in a wheelchair, "Ha! You will never feel the grass on your bare feet and run down a beautiful meddow." or telling a blind person, "You will never see the beauty of this sunset! Mwahahahaha!"

Whoa, wait you think Lana was evil for saying that to Lex after she found out what he had done to her? Should she have patted him on the back for a job well done? Anyone would be positively livid given the circumstances. I'm sure the last thing on Lana's mind was protecting "poor Lex's" feelings. If anyone is to blame for the situation it was Lex. He didn't deserve her sympathy or kind words after what he pulled. Given what he did to her, who would think he was capable of love?

[Theshadow129x]

Thats not fair Clana4life, what he pulled was out of desperation because he knew lana wouldnt stay with him otherwise. im not saying it was right but she would have left him not long after commencing the relationship.

Look back at last seasons 12th episode. Lana had thoughts of leaving Lex when Clark approached her the next day about a dream he had of her and then she started to have more thoughts about leaving Lex, which i think is crap because the only reason she went through with getting ready to marry lex was because she thought Clark didn't want her so she thought she would settle.

See thats what this is all about right here people. Lana settled for Lex, she didn't look for something that could have been actually meaningful and overwhelming, she settled for Lex and thought she was in love with him. Yes, Lex was saying subtle things like 'I wouldn't treat you like that Lana" and "you're not crazy Lana, I saw the spaceship too." but what he was saying had never been enough to sway her the other direction from Clark, she went to Lex to deal with the pain of losing Clark and thought she was in love with Lex. I dont care what people say about Clark breaking up with Lana and it was okay for her to go to lex, it is never okay. One thing you should know about us guys is we do not , under any circumstances consider it okay for our ex-girlfriends to date our former friends or our current friends because they are angry at us. we hate that, we look down on that. what lana did was wrong plain and simple. and its Lex's fault for what he did to her? yes i agree he crossed the line but also she was stupid enough to think she would walk into a relationship with a luthor without any scars. it never works and will never work like that. you will get cut by the luthors and the scar will run deep. lilian luthor comes to mind. lana knew what the luthors were like and she thought otherwise because she was hurt, and thats dumb to me. Lana did what she did to hurt clark and because she was in pain. if Clark meant anything to her she should know that just because he broke ur heart you dont go trying to break his in another yet worse way. I know that from experience. I would never hurt my ex - girlfriend with her best friend to get back at her for something its just wrong and evil and low. she did that.

There i said it. if this discussion is to continue then we'll keep it going tomorrow in the action forum because wow this was a long thread.

And i dont really like earth wind and fire lol im into the whole alternative thing. you listent o it im sure Clana4life. a little bit of alternative to cleanse ur soul. you know slow, subtle, calm alternative that makes you think about those movie script endings ;) .

. Oh and Clana4life, you were right about me all along. I am the villain of this forum!


oh snap. you all like what i did there didnt you?! total lullz dude! total lullz!

[Serynarpc]

Lana: I felt I had to choose between doing the right thing and being successful. Weird part is, I kind of enjoyed being underhanded.

Way back in Drone Lana has been attracted to doing dark deeds. The Lionells just showed her the full spectrum.

Lana is her own woman and the big, naughty Luthors have always been villains- they don't have the luxury of hiding in an angels facade or slumming it up with Smallville's hero to make themselves look better by association.

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
that is true Minela i have to say. Lana wasnt even sure if she wanted to marry lex i mean we saw that in Aqua. She went to Chloe and told her about the proposal and said that if it had been Clark then she wouldn't have hesitated. *that was a lie because if you remember the 100th episode she did hesitate and had to get the approval of lois to say yes* so what did she do she went to Clark at the end of the episode to see if he still had feelings because episodes before he said he thought his regrets everyday. So she came to Clark in hopes that he would take her back instead of her marrying lex. And what happened in that episode? He told Lana that he didnt want to be with her because he knew she was pregnant with Lex's kid and with that said she didnt have any defense and decided to go to Lex and say she loves lex and chose him to spend the rest of her life with. and keep in mind she believes she normally pregnant at this point and she tried to pass herself off to Clark.

That would actually be Hydro. Lana didn't lie about accepting right away. Clark told her to think about it and tell him later, apparently at the Talon. Pass herself off to Clark? Clark tells her these lines about regrets and do overs, and she wants to test his meaning.


Originally posted by Minela
The fact remaines that Lana was sneeking around on her wedding day, deceiving Lex about how happy she was. She, the Queen of Lies and Secrets, that she keeps crying about, has deliberatly deceived her fiance. But okay, whatever. The thing that really gets me going in this whole thing is that she did not do it to deliberatly humiliate Lex, like you said. She did not even stop to think how that would impact him, she did not care about his feelings, she did not put herself in his shoes for one split second to realize what kind of a blow she is delivering with her actions and that cowardly letter. Shame on you Lana Lang! Shame on you!

It is no secret that I have always disliked Lana and loved Lex, so I will explain in my next statement what drove the last nail into my Lana hatered coffin. And I will forever hate her for that, she has even tainted the comic book Lana for me.

She knows Lex full well, she knows how much he has suffered in his childhood, she knows about his mother and she knows about his father's psychological torture. The loss of his brother, the mistrust of all people that come in contact with him, etc. She knows Lex has never felt love and always craved it. He even told her how he hoped somebody like her could look past everything he is and still love him. She knows he is emotionally crippled.

So, in "Phantom" she threw it all in his face. She kicked an emotionally crippled person while he was down, telling him that she never loved him, and worst of all that he didn't even know what love was. That was the last straw, when I heard her say that, I wished Lex would have shot her right then and there. She was everything to him, his last chance to be loved by another person, something he desperatly needs and she goes ahead and ripps his heart out and spits on it.

See, that makes her evil. IMO. It is the same as if she would have said to a person in a wheelchair, "Ha! You will never feel the grass on your bare feet and run down a beautiful meddow." or telling a blind person, "You will never see the beauty of this sunset! Mwahahahaha!"

So, what, she's supposed to stroke Lex's ego to make him feel better about himself while he's faking pregnancies and miscarriages on the side? As I said in an earlier post, Lex's chlidhood does not excuse him for his actions. It could be a driving force for the actions, but it does not excuse them.

Yes, what Lana said was cruel, but also true. Lex's 'love' isn't what others would consider love. Cameras watching your every move, people following your every move when you're not at the mansion, lying, faking pregnancy and miscarriage, and abuse? If that's love, then I'm staying single. Lex had no right to physically abuse Lana no matter what she said. Lex could have said some pretty cruel words to Lana as well, but no, he decides to hit her.

[Minela]

Oh, he just slaped her a little.

[operadiva]

that is funny Minela..Apparently not hard enough

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Minela
Oh, he just slaped her a little.

No such thing as slapping her a little. It's physical abuse and he had no right to do it.

[CDLBLUE]

Has anyone explained just why Lex cloned Lana in the first place ?

[SecretzNLyz15]

I don't think we'll ever find out why Lex did that. I'm guessing it was in fear of losing Lana.

[norman619]

Changed? It's the same Lana just more so. She's always hid things and slammed Clark for doing the same. When will they just get rid of her character. She's pretty useless.