Curits Knox, The 100+ year Kryptonian?

[Ardiem3]

I know that Curtis still had the power of immortality, but they did leave it open for him to return, and mabye the Gold Kryptonite didnt take away all of his powers based on the range of his exposure. Just a thought. What do you guys think?

[KLGChaos]

I don't think he was Kryptonian. Those bullets from Lex actually did damage to him, he just healed from it, instead of them bouncing off like they would a regular Kryptonian.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by KLGChaos
I don't think he was Kryptonian. Those bullets from Lex actually did damage to him, he just healed from it, instead of them bouncing off like they would a regular Kryptonian.

Mabye the exposure to Gold K took away and changed some of his Kryptonian powers.

[Mello Penelo]

He's not a Kryptonian. He's got to be Vandal Savage.

[fxrsteve]

who is Curtis and where was the gold kryptonite?

[MrZeppo]

LOL, I thought the same thing. Although, mainly because of the timelord fob watch... But really, I don't believe it. Maybe that Grant guy at the Daily Planet is the Kryptonian, which btw, is an idea I hate, but it's too convenient that guy is suddenly on the show and not have an agenda...

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by fxrsteve
who is Curtis and where was the gold kryptonite?

Have you watched any of this season? Gold bars were seen and referred to in last weeks episode "Fierce" to which we believe is Gold K and Curtis Knox was the bad guy in tonights episode :lol:

[Krypton935]

Nah I say he's Vandal Savage.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Krypton935
Nah I say he's Vandal Savage.

It has been said that Curtis is "Smallvilles" Vandal Savage but i think that if it was him, they would have said or hinted at it.

[Routh]

The third Kryptonian's name is Dax-Ur. Curtis Knox is not the Kryptonian. Dax-Ur lost his powers when he was exposed to the gold bars (gold kryptonite).

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Routh
The third Kryptonian's name is Dax-Ur. Curtis Knox is not the Kryptonian. Dax-Ur lost his powers when he was exposed to the gold bars (gold kryptonite).

It was just a theory because i wanted to see Dean Cain back because he was awesome. Whered you get this information.

[redeem147]

I think he's Claire's great, great, great, great grand-daddy.

Oops, wrong show.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by redeem147
I think he's Claire's great, great, great, great grand-daddy.

Oops, wrong show. :lol:

[superspider02]

yea he is not the 100 yr old kryptonian. He is just a normal immortal man who been alive as far as we know since the 1500s.

[DarkChilde]

I was thinking he was more like Longinus(Roar, 7th Sign, Casca Books) the Roman Soldier that stabbed Christ While he was on the cross and cursed to live forever.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
He's not a Kryptonian. He's got to be Vandal Savage.
YES! I agree 100%!

[Griffin]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
It has been said that Curtis is "Smallvilles" Vandal Savage but i think that if it was him, they would have said or hinted at it.

They did hint at it throughout the episode. Dr. Knox has gone under many different names, he's immortal and can't be killed, etc. That is the Superman villian Vandal Savage.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Griffin
They did hint at it throughout the episode. Dr. Knox has gone under many different names, he's immortal and can't be killed, etc. That is the Superman villian Vandal Savage.

Did Vandal Savage ever go by the name Curtis Knox. I think it was just a character made similiar to him, but not him, because even Almiles or the writers havent said that the character was Vandal.

[PHOENIXZERO]

It was greatly alluded to, do they have to spell everything out?

Also I think, Vandal Savage was Jack the Ripper. Is that good enough???;)

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by PHOENIXZERO
It was greatly alluded to, do they have to spell everything out?

Also, Vandal Savage WAS Jack the Ripper. Is that good enough???

Funny he didnt go by Vandal or Mr. Savage, weird how theyd do that...?

[HalJordan4184]

Vandal Savage doesn't usually go by Vandal Savage. That's just one name he's used over the 52000 years he's been alive.

Comic's wise, Vandal Savage has been Jack the Ripper, either Caesar or a close aide to Caesar, Napoleons advisor, Hitler's adviser, and a ton of other evil incarnations over time.

The reason Vandal Savage wasn't used as a name, was probably due to something like tptb just not being able to use the name at the moment, because they didn't get the rights to it.

[DarkseidNow]

I'm thinking its Vandal Savage. Only this time, he didn't try to conquer the world like he has in the past.

[FiReFTW]

And also MM would know if he was a Kryptonian , so no.

[fromkrypton]

I think he was the highlander! there crossing show's like crazy, so it coulda been him. All I want to know is what this whole immortal thing is, could I cut his head off and he'd still be alive, what about all of his limbs! Just curious how immortal someone can be?

[HalJordan4184]

Vandal Savage simply can't die, period. If he gets vaporized in a nuclear explosion, he will somehow regenerate from it. If his head is cut off, he'll grow a one.

[lee_the_flee]

Not that I know who Vandal Savage is, BUT I think they may have based Curtis Knox's character on him and just given him the name "Curtis Knox" because of the fact that Dean Cain is playing him, which would give meaning to that scene in the beginning where Curtis pulls out this white cloth that has CK sewn on it (that Curtis filled with chlorophine to knock out his first victim), which both stands for Curtis Knox and as Clark Kent. And since Dean Cain was Clark Kent for 4 years in "Lois in Clark", it becomes a very nice reference.

[Mysticlies]

from wikipedia




Smallville
In the seventh season of Smallville, Dean Cain, who portrayed Superman in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, guest stars as Dr. Curtis Knox, an immortal character very similar to (if not actually in secret) Vandal Savage. Like his comic-book counterpart he has used many different names over his centuries of life, one of which was Jack the Ripper. When Lex Luthor uses a photo recognition program to track Dr. Knox's previous identities, he is shown in a photo with Adolf Hitler during World War II, again a nod to the comic book version. Finally, the photos of Knox's past identities show him with a beard identical to that of Savage.

[kp1984]

Wonder what would happen if Tyler touch him? Would he turn into dust then turn back into human from?

[83kaL]

He's Vandal Savage, anyone who watches Justice League might know it...

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

i believe hes the returning foe in gemini

it all makes sense now that he is as knoxs woman wasnt dead chloe was willing to heal the woman until knox told her she wasnt dead that his woman was only in a coma

so knox returns to try and get chloe as why else would chloes name be mentioned when theres other characters to endanger

[xrayvision]

I don't think it will be Knox. I heard rumors about evil Lex returning. Gemini means twins, so I think it will have something to do with either black-k (evil Lex or Kal-El), Brainiac (he could multiply himself), or Bizarro (like Clark's evil twin). I think whoever it is will be related to the theme of the episode's title.

Here is a post I read that from:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3339425#post3339425

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by 83kaL
He's Vandal Savage, anyone who watches Justice League might know it...

Anyone who dosent know about Vandal would clearly not see that its him on the show, seeing as how his name was Curtis. Thats all im saying. They should have just went ahead and called him Vandal.

[dh1031]

Seems like there was an article on this website, well before the episode aired, that stated the Curtis Knox character would be exactly like Vandal Savage - less the gotee that the character has been seen having in the comics and cartoons.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by dh1031
Seems like there was an article on this website, well before the episode aired, that stated the Curtis Knox character would be exactly like Vandal Savage - less the gotee that the character has been seen having in the comics and cartoons.

Then why not just have him go by Vandal Savage. Kind of confusing seeing as how theyre not for certain if dean Cain is going to come back to say that he is Vandal Savage, if he is. If Deans character never returns, going off the episode, it would show that hes just Curtis Knox, just simliar to Vandal, but not him.

[kp1984]

If he was from krypton would'nt he be weak to green K?

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by kp1984
If he was from krypton would'nt he be weak to green K?

Not if he was the 100+ year Kryptonian who was exposed to Gold K which took away some of his powers and weaknesses.

[nickyjean_1]

First, I have to agree with some of the others.. he's been alive too long to be the old Kryp w/ or w/o his powers.. so I'm throwing in for Savage..

Next, the writers think there little plays and clues that hey he's gonna be super man, are just so darn cute (the always wearing red and blue and the CK thing) that they completely blow any chance for any real depth in complex clues (tip of the hat for the Savage/jack the ripper thing). Which is a real shame.

Things that anybody can pick up are fine every now and then but when they really dig deep for things that have to be researched by the common fan and common knowledge for the true comic/cartoon fanatic is a real test of writers. Not just plot devices but true devolopment and understanding of the mythos of superman..

[Who]

I recogn he was Savage. He probably has to change his name every so often to remain incognito.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Who
I recogn he was Savage. He probably has to change his name every so often to remain incognito.

So how come Almiles or no one else on the show has said that hes andal, going under a different name. All theyve said is its a character like Savage, and its not written in stone that the character wil return so as of now, as the episode looks, hes Curtis until said otherwise, whether he sounds like Vandal or not.

[iq145]

Curtis Knox is VANDAL SAVAGE !

[HalJordan4184]

Why do they need to say it? As of right now, it doesn't matter if he is or isn't. If he is Vandal Savage, which I personally highly suspect he is, how is anyone else even going to know his name. It could be that's a future episode possibility, where Curtis Knox comes back, and we get the backstory on Vandal Savage. For the purposes of that one episode, it just doesn't matter if he was or wasn't.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Why do they need to say it? As of right now, it doesn't matter if he is or isn't. If he is Vandal Savage, which I personally highly suspect he is, how is anyone else even going to know his name. It could be that's a future episode possibility, where Curtis Knox comes back, and we get the backstory on Vandal Savage. For the purposes of that one episode, it just doesn't matter if he was or wasn't.

Why do a backstory episode later. As of now, hes just similiar to Savage but just Knox as the episode appears.

[HalJordan4184]

If Knox comes back later, they can do a backstory on him, and reveal if he's Vandal Savage. For the purposes of the episode Cure, a backstory would have eaten up valuable time storyline wise.

Besiodes, Canonically, through the comics history, Vandal avage doesn't parade around telling everyone "HEY! I'm Vandal Savage." He assumes an identity and sticks with it, until it is killed off, or someone discovers his secret.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
If Knox comes back later, they can do a backstory on him, and reveal if he's Vandal Savage. For the purposes of the episode Cure, a backstory would have eaten up valuable time storyline wise.

Besiodes, Canonically, through the comics history, Vandal avage doesn't parade around telling everyone "HEY! I'm Vandal Savage." He assumes an identity and sticks with it, until it is killed off, or someone discovers his secret.

What im saying is, those who arent familiar with the comics down to every key, would watch the episode and see that its just Curtis Knox. Its not like "Smallville" hasnt put there on spin on a villain before, very similiar, yes, but not being them.

[HalJordan4184]

I know Smallville has put their spin on villains before. The point isn't that fans of smallville, unfamiliar with Vandal Savage wouldn't get the hints, it's that the hints are there for fans of the comics, who do know who vandal savage is, and later, if they want, they can let the smallville fans in on it too, if they so wish to.

[iq145]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Why do they need to say it? As of right now, it doesn't matter if he is or isn't. If he is Vandal Savage, which I personally highly suspect he is, how is anyone else even going to know his name. It could be that's a future episode possibility, where Curtis Knox comes back, and we get the backstory on Vandal Savage. For the purposes of that one episode, it just doesn't matter if he was or wasn't.

Most people watching Smallville ARE Superman/Justice League fans. They'll know who Savage is (even if it's just from watching the Justice League Unlimited cartoon).

[HalJordan4184]

I wasn't referring to people in general wouldn't know who he was fandom wise, I was referring to the characters in the show. How would they know who Vandal Savage was, and what reason would there be to bring his name up?

[Smokethatkryptonite]

Originally posted by iq145
Most people watching Smallville ARE Superman/Justice League fans. They'll know who Savage is (even if it's just from watching the Justice League Unlimited cartoon).

Not really Smallville has a large fanbase that has no interest in Superman what so ever.

[bychance]

If Dean grows a beard again and returns, I'd love that. Maybe we should write tptb about it, lol.

some pictures.

comic 1 (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6372/savage3693922ju6.jpg)

comic 2 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/VandalSavage.jpg/250px-VandalSavage.jpg)

comic 3 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/c/c5/20070711150834%21VandalSavage.jpg)

comic 4 (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/who-images/vandal-savage1.jpg)

example of dean when he had some facial hair

dean cain in 'out of time' 1 (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outoftime1024836393dk0.jpg)

dean cain in 'out of time' 2 (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outoftime0994829816of3.jpg)

dean cain in 'out of time' 3 (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outoftime0864777212zu5.jpg)

dean cain in 'out of time' 4 (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outoftime4184707929vr0.jpg)

edit. forgot the screen captures from Cure

camera phone 1 (http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6339/vandal2nk2.jpg)

camera phone 2 (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5171/vandal1ew0.jpg)


Not that I know who Vandal Savage is, BUT I think they may have based Curtis Knox's character on him and just given him the name "Curtis Knox" because of the fact that Dean Cain is playing him, which would give meaning to that scene in the beginning where Curtis pulls out this white cloth that has CK sewn on it (that Curtis filled with chlorophine to knock out his first victim), which both stands for Curtis Knox and as Clark Kent. And since Dean Cain was Clark Kent for 4 years in "Lois in Clark", it becomes a very nice reference.

I also liked when Clark said "you and I are a lot more alike than you think" during their fight.