Clark and Lana: The New Jonathan and Martha

[Clana4Life]

Listening to and watching Clana during the kitchen scenes around the table reminded me of Jonathan and Martha. They were almost like an old married couple, and Kara was the new Clark. Clana just seems so much mature now. I'm really glad that they are evolving and embarking on a mature, adult relationship without the "Clark has a secret" cloud hanging over them. Did they remind anyone else of Jonathan and Martha?

[paolinki25]

What? I'm sorry, but don't insult Jonathan and Martha, please.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by paolinki25
What? I'm sorry, but don't insult Jonathan and Martha, please.

thank you. saved me the trouble.

[Clark Kent 86]

^^^^^ Right on!

[Clana4Life]

It's not an insult. The way that scene was set up was just like Jonathan and Martha, right down to Clark giving advice to Kara, like Jonathan did with Clark and Lana mediating like Martha always did. There were definite parallels.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
It's not an insult. The way that scene was set up was just like Jonathan and Martha, right down to Clark giving advice to Kara, like Jonathan did with Clark and Lana mediating like Martha always did. There were definite parallels.

parralles yes, but Johnathan and Martha Kent were actually mature and responsible adults. Not two kids playing house.

[paolinki25]

The scene could have a parallel, but you cannot compare the loving, mature relationship Martha and Jonathan had to Clark and Lana playing house and sugar coating all the crap that's happened between them with apple pies and lemonade.

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by paolinki25
What? I'm sorry, but don't insult Jonathan and Martha, please.

Amen

[Deana]

Well if that happens, Kara will eventually cause the death of Johnathan(Clark) by reversing time when her beloved dies.

Martha(Lana) will start making go-go eyes with Lionel(Lex) which Clark(Kara) will hate but when Lionel(Lex) proves he wants to protect her, it's all peaches in cream.

Than Martha(Lana) will leave and Clark(Kara) will half run the farm with Farmer Jen down the street.

[Mello Penelo]

Regardless of TPTB setting it up as a parallel, which they did, it was still nauseous.

[Clana4Life]

I didn't mean that Clana would play out the exact same way as Jonathan and Martha, Deana. I think if Clark did not have to follow his destiny as Superman then he would stay with Lana on the farm, they'd have kids and pretty much be just like Jonathan and Martha, right down to the apple pie.

[liana]

I can't really see Clark and Lana as the new Jonathan and Martha, because Jonathan and Martha had a relationship built on love and trust. Lana and Clark are, once again, starting a relationship with lies and secrets between them. Clark is living a dream of Lana knowing his secret and accepting him, and pretending that he didn't have a destiny or a promise to finish his training at some time. Lana is pretending that her marriage with Lex never happened, and that Clark would blissfully accept the fact that she stole 10 M from Lex. Clark is pretending that he is able to grow old with Lana, when he knows for a fact that he is immortal.

So, no. I can't see them as Martha and Jonathan. If anything, a scene that makes a parallel between them is a reminder of how different Martha and Jonathan were in a relationship. And I miss them: they were the best relationship ever written in this show.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by paolinki25
What? I'm sorry, but don't insult Jonathan and Martha, please.
Yeah, seems like SV-blasphemy.

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by liana
I can't really see Clark and Lana as the new Jonathan and Martha, because Jonathan and Martha had a relationship built on love and trust. Lana and Clark are, once again, starting a relationship with lies and secrets between them. Clark is living a dream of Lana knowing his secret and accepting him, and pretending that he didn't have a destiny or a promise to finish his training at some time. Lana is pretending that her marriage with Lex never happened, and that Clark would blissfully accept the fact that she stole 10 M from Lex. Clark is pretending that he is able to grow old with Lana, when he knows for a fact that he is immortal.

So, no. I can't see them as Martha and Jonathan. If anything, a scene that makes a parallel between them is a reminder of how different Martha and Jonathan were in a relationship. And I miss them: they were the best relationship ever written in this show.

Couldn't agree more. There's no comparisson. Martha and Jonathan was probably the best romantic relationship of this show.

[Clana4Life]

Do you guys really think Lana taking 10 mill from Lex will change Clark's feelings for her. She's probably given that money to charity by now. Give the time, I think Clana would grow to embody Jonathan and Martha. Their start may have been quite different, but the end result would be the same. They are young, but they are growing and learning.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Do you guys really think Lana taking 10 mill from Lex will change Clark's feelings for her. She's probably given that money to charity by now. Give the time, I think Clana would grow to embody Jonathan and Martha. Their start may have been quite different, but the end result would be the same. They are young, but they are growing and learning.

Give me break she gave that to charity. I suppose that's why she took it in the first place, cuz she was so concerned with all those little widows and orphans. Clark wouldn't care why she stole it the point is she stole it. He didn't condone Oliver doing it and he won't condone lana's actions either.

[Minela]

First of, I know AlMiles tried to set it up that way. IMO they failed miserably and should make a public apology for desecrating the memory of a great couple. I cannot buy into the Lana Lang they showed me in this episode. How am I supposed to believe she is the nice sweet girl they are trying to pass her off as? I can't. I still have a wroking brain and my memory of last season is in takt.

[Deana]

Yeah, in the future he will put people in jail for less than giving stolen money to charity. People who steal bubble gum fear the Kryptonian.

[paolinki25]

Charity? :lol: Oh, you mean the "Kidnappers/Embezzlers/Death Fakers Anonymous? Sure. She has donated the money.

[Clana4Life]

I think she is a nice girl, but like every nice girl, she makes mistakes and is capable of poor choices. The only reason Lana took the money was to get as far away from Lex as possible. Now that she's back, she doesn't need the money. Lana pretty much proposed to Clark in tonight's episode.

[liana]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Do you guys really think Lana taking 10 mill from Lex will change Clark's feelings for her. She's probably given that money to charity by now. Give the time, I think Clana would grow to embody Jonathan and Martha. Their start may have been quite different, but the end result would be the same. They are young, but they are growing and learning.

I am not talking about this changing his feelings for her. I am talking about trust. Lana spent 6 years yelling at Clark because he wouldn't tell her his secret, however she doesn't feel like telling him hers. Jonathan and Martha TRUSTED each other. That's what I am talking about. There is no way that a relationship based on half truths and lies is able to survive the proof of time. Saddly, that has been the main rule with Lana for a long time.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by thehenry89
Give me break she gave that to charity. I suppose that's why she took it in the first place, cuz she was so concerned with all those little widows and orphans.


She took the money because she was promised 100 pretty pink dresses in exchange for it.

[Minela]

Originally posted by thehenry89
Give me break she gave that to charity. I suppose that's why she took it in the first place, cuz she was so concerned with all those little widows and orphans. Clark wouldn't care why she stole it the point is she stole it. He didn't condone Oliver doing it and he won't condone lana's actions either.

Oh, he will. He is going to forgive her every little thing. She is his sun, moon and stars. That is exactly what pisses me off. I couldn't care less how much money Lana Luthor stole, or anything else she did. I am only concerned about how Clark will react to it. It is sad that it seems like he will just swallow everything she dishes out and smile all the way. Clark is in La La Lanaland and I fear he won't come back.

[liana]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think she is a nice girl, but like every nice girl, she makes mistakes and is capable of poor choices. The only reason Lana took the money was to get as far away from Lex as possible. Now that she's back, she doesn't need the money. Lana pretty much proposed to Clark in tonight's episode.

My main problem remains: she is not telling Clark about this, therefore becoming indebted with Lex once more. Besides, if she doesn't want Lex's money she should return it to him. I would say that, if she is not telling Clark about it, it is because she pretty much knows that he will tell her to do exactly that.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by myankskent
She took the money because she was promised 100 pretty pink dresses in exchange for it.

I'm sure they'll go nicely with those fifty or so rainbow bright ceramic unicorns she has stashed away in the loft for a rainy day.

[Clana4Life]

Well, at least we can agree on that Minela. Clark will forgive her for taking the money. She might even tell him she took it. That's what people in relationships do if they want to make it last - forgive each other. If Lana can forgive Clark for 6 seasons worth of lies, he can forgive her for one.

[BadToad]

Can we please not crap on Jonathan and Martha like that?

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Well, at least we can agree on that Minela. Clark will forgive her for taking the money. She might even tell him she took it. That's what people in relationships do if they want to make it last - forgive each other. If Lana can forgive Clark for 6 seasons worth of lies, he can forgive her for one.

I'm sorry but that six years worth of lying was on both sides. so she has no room to stand on any high horse around Clark.

[Clana4Life]

Is was not on both sides. Clark kept lying about his abilities over and over. Petty, stupid lies. Lana liked about the space ship and 10 million dollars. It just doesn't compare.

[liana]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Well, at least we can agree on that Minela. Clark will forgive her for taking the money. She might even tell him she took it. That's what people in relationships do if they want to make it last - forgive each other. If Lana can forgive Clark for 6 seasons worth of lies, he can forgive her for one.

It is not like Lana never lied to Clark before, you know. Season 5, when they were dating was a pretty good example of how much Lana lied. She lied to him a lot about her friendship with Lex, and she kept things from him as well. Besides, Lana KNOWS Clark has lied to protect her. Lana is not lying to protect Clark this time. She is lying to protect herself. Another great difference was that, for most of this time, Clark and Lana were not in a relationship. He didn't have to tell her his most intimate secret when they were just casual friends. The only time that Lana could claim the right to know it, was when they were dating in season 5.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Well, at least we can agree on that Minela. Clark will forgive her for taking the money. She might even tell him she took it. That's what people in relationships do if they want to make it last - forgive each other. If Lana can forgive Clark for 6 seasons worth of lies, he can forgive her for one.

You are kidding right? After all the **** she is pulled she has no room to be talking about secrets and lies. And if we want to talk about what people do in relationships if they want to make it last, than pushing all the bad things under the rug without even talking about them, is most certainly not the way to go. Forgiveness is one thing, but saying lets forget about every bad thing and never talk about it, is something completley different. You don't build a house on a graveyard. You don't start a new relationship on top of unresolved issues.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Is was not on both sides. Clark kept lying about his abilities over and over. Petty, stupid lies. Lana liked about the space ship and 10 million dollars. It just doesn't compare.

Perhaps you should rewatch seasons one through six and count all the lies, and lies of omission that have spewed forth from lana's mouth. As a matter of fact a ceartin other website (which i shall not name) has kept track. the list is quite long.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Listening to and watching Clana during the kitchen scenes around the table reminded me of Jonathan and Martha. They were almost like an old married couple, and Kara was the new Clark. Clana just seems so much mature now. I'm really glad that they are evolving and embarking on a mature, adult relationship without the "Clark has a secret" cloud hanging over them. Did they remind anyone else of Jonathan and Martha?


Hell yea i agree...i mean they seemed so happy and meant for each other just like jonathan and martha..everyone is jsut hatin on Clana..yea im happy they relationship is moving forward since lana knows the secret Clana = Love.

[Minela]

Originally posted by thehenry89
Perhaps you should rewatch seasons one through six and count all the lies, and lies of omission that have spewed forth from lana's mouth. As a matter of fact a ceartin other website (which i shall not name) has kept track. the list is quite long.

I read that list. :lol: Pretty funny, Lana lies and keeps a secret in every single episode. :lol:

[liana]

Originally posted by Clana4Life
Is was not on both sides. Clark kept lying about his abilities over and over. Petty, stupid lies. Lana liked about the space ship and 10 million dollars. It just doesn't compare.

Not true. In season 5, for example, she was aplying to a late admission at Met-U, all the while telling Clark that she was not going to College. She didn't tell him, untill he goes to visit her and finds her packing her things up.

She also took Clark's exams from the hospital and delivered them to Lex, without telling Clark about it. There, she and Lex have a very interesting conversation about Clark's resurrection.

In Reckoning, after accepting Clark's proposal, she receives a message from Lex. She, then, leaves the party without telling anyone where she was going, and trying to not be seen.

Should I go on?

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by Minela
You are kidding right? After all the **** she is pulled she has no room to be talking about secrets and lies. And if we want to talk about what people do in relationships if they want to make it last, than pushing all the bad things under the rug without even talking about them, is most certainly not the way to go. Forgiveness is one thing, but saying lets forget about every bad thing and never talk about it, is something completley different. You don't build a house on a graveyard. You don't start a new relationship on top of unresolved issues.

i don't think its gonna be pushed under the rug...i know its gonna be addressed..and stop hatin on lana clark has done soo much lying..wat lana can't make a mistake??

[Minela]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
Hell yea i agree...i mean they seemed so happy and meant for each other just like jonathan and martha..everyone is jsut hatin on Clana..yea im happy they relationship is moving forward since lana knows the secret Clana = Love.

:\ Where did you see love in that episode. It was boring and dragged on. No spark. No heat. No emotion. I would have expected something quite different for a Clana reunion.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
i don't think its gonna be pushed under the rug...i know its gonna be addressed..and stop hatin on lana clark has done soo much lying..wat lana can't make a mistake??

how is lying a mistake. you can't accidentlally tell a lie either you do or you don't. Lana does...frequently, and without remorse.

[liana]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
i don't think its gonna be pushed under the rug...i know its gonna be addressed..and stop hatin on lana clark has done soo much lying..wat lana can't make a mistake??

It is not so much about Lana making one mistake. I am talking about their relationship been based on lies, half truths, and thing not spoken. You made a parallel between Jonathan and Martha, and I disagree for the simple fact that they were NEVER like that.

[Minela]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
i don't think its gonna be pushed under the rug...i know its gonna be addressed..and stop hatin on lana clark has done soo much lying..wat lana can't make a mistake??

Lana can make all the mistakes she wants. I really don't care. She can kill a bag full of newborn puppies for all I care. It doesn't matter. What does matter is Clark's reaction. The future Superman should not be ok with her ****. He is supposed to be Superman, he is supposed to be the boy scout superhero. This is not Batman we are talking about. This is Superman.

[Nospam]

Hey, I am going to defend Lana here. I can handle a few wise words from Lana so long as she doesn't fall into prior bad habits. It's a refreshing change for her character.

But there was a definite lack of chemistry between Clark and Lana in their scenes together.

[liana]

Originally posted by Minela
Lana can make all the mistakes she wants. I really don't care. She can kill a bag full of newborn puppies for all I care. It doesn't matter. What does matter is Clark's reaction. The future Superman should not be ok with her ****. He is supposed to be Superman, he is supposed to be the boy scout superhero. This is not Batman we are talking about. This is Superman.

Batman's view of things are the same as superman. One good example is that both of them condemmed Diana for killing Max Lord, even though she did it to save Clark and the world. Batman is never OK with murder or stealing. In fact, considering that his parents were murdered in front of him by a burglar, you can understand why his views are so black and white about these subjects.


Originally posted by Nospam
Hey, I am going to defend Lana here. I can handle a few wise words from Lana so long as she doesn't fall into prior bad habits. It's a refreshing change for her character.

But there was a definite lack of chemistry between Clark and Lana in their scenes together.

I have no problems with Lana saying wise things, etc. I just think the comparison between Clark and Lana/Martha and Jonathan does not apply.

In fact, I would love for Clark and Lana relationship been different. I want their future breakup to be about themselves realizing they are not right for each other, and remaining friends. I really didn't want to see another round of secret&lies. I think I had enough of it for a lifetime.

About the lack of chemisty, I think it is because they are both uncomfortable. They have issues that they are not addressing, because they are afraid of dealing with it, and they are "kind of playing house" and pretending everything is ok, even though it isn't completely ok.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by liana
It is not so much about Lana making one mistake. I am talking about their relationship been based on lies, half truths, and thing not spoken. You made a parallel between Jonathan and Martha, and I disagree for the simple fact that they were NEVER like that.

well that whole lies part started with clark..

[monstra]

Originally posted by Nospam

But there was a definite lack of chemistry between Clark and Lana in their scenes together. [/B]

Really? I usually am able to accept when im not feeling a scene between the two of them, but I thought they were great together. At least in the last 2 scenes. The hug in the reunion scene was sooo weak, thats my only complaint.

[CLanaF23]

Originally posted by Minela
:\ Where did you see love in that episode. It was boring and dragged on. No spark. No heat. No emotion. I would have expected something quite different for a Clana reunion.

i saw love from wen they first saw each other in the barn..yea clark coulda been more emotional..i mean he finds out the love of his life is alive.but wen dey looked at each other and didn't have to say anything.classic.i don't think it was boring..i liked it

[Nospam]

Originally posted by monstra
Really? I usually am able to accept when im not feeling a scene between the two of them, but I thought they were great together. At least in the last 2 scenes. The hug in the reunion scene was sooo weak, thats my only complaint.

I admit the last scene had the most emotional punch, but every other scene between them was fairly flat. Kristin looked absolutely beautiful in the couch scene, however. Clark's reactions were so blah though that I wasn't sold on anything he was feeling.

[kryptonaidxh]

:rolleyes: No actually, they´re the most awful couple ever seen in Smallville, they don´t have chemistry anymore, they have made so much drama and loft scenes that I don want to see them togetehr anymore.
and Lois Lane is and alway will be the only Mrs. Kent, nobody else.:D

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by kryptonaidxh
:rolleyes: No actually, they´re the most awful couple ever seen in Smallville, they don´t have chemistry anymore, they have made so much drama and loft scenes that I don want to see them togetehr anymore.
and Lois Lane is and alway will be the only Mrs. Kent, nobody else.:D

tecnichally martha was also mrs.kent, but there will only be one Mrs. Clark Kent. and it will be Lois Lane.

Clark had more chemistry in his one scene with shelby then he did in his reunion scene with lana.

[Clana159]

Originally posted by thehenry89
tecnichally martha was also mrs.kent, but there will only be one Mrs. Clark Kent. and it will be Lois Lane.

Clark had more chemistry in his one scene with shelby then he did in his reunion scene with lana.

So not true, just becuase they dont start making out doesnt mean that there wasnt chemistry. i thought it was so adorable... and there chemistry was amasing....

[dh1031]

Martha and Jonathan was probably the best romantic relationship of this show. Wonderful job of casting this couple for the show, they really sold the idea of these two people being a happy husband and wife. :)

[Dustmite]

Clark and Lana will never be the new Martha and Jonathan. Never. No matter how many apple pie and lemonade scenes we get. Maybe they can be a happy couple in their own right but can we not compare them to the only couple in SV history that don't make me want to poke them in the eye.

I can see what TPTB were trying to do with the Clana scenes but it all seemed rushed, forced and contrived. With so many issues still undiscussed between them it seems phoney for them to be playing house and ignoring the pink elephants dotted around the farmhouse.

Also I just can't take angelic Lana seriously after what we were shown last season. Her character changes from season to season to fit in with her current love interest/plot.

[ShelbyKent]

Lex visiting Lana reminds me of Lionel visiting Martha at the Farm when Jonathan isn't around. I was half-expecting Lex to offer Lana a job like what Lionel did to Martha. Yeah it was that creepy.

And there is a visual irony in that Lexana scene wherein something as wholesome as making apple pie is being done while talks of 10 million dollar embezzlement, divorce settlement, exoneration of patsies, "convincing" the D.A. to drop a fake death and frame-up charges were also going on.

The Lana and the embezzlement issue sorta reminded me of Martha and Lionel's campaign contribution during the elections. Of course the differences are (aside from the amount),

-Lionel knowingly and willingly gave Martha the money, whereas Lana stole her stash.

-the money that Martha received from Lionel was to help Jonathan's campaign and to prevent the farm from being lost caused they'd be deep into debt; the money that Lana took from Lionel was to benefit only herself.

And lol at the image of Lana and Clark trying to "raise" Kara together. :lol: Kara has a more mature view most of the time and she even has to remind Clark that what is he going to do when he won't age but everyone else will? But clark trying to teach Kara to control heat vision did remind me of the scene with Jonathan and clark doing the same

[dh1031]

But clark trying to teach Kara to control heat vision did remind me of the scene with Jonathan and clark doing the same They really should have used a scarecrow instead of a watermellon. :lol:

[smallvillefreak24]

I see where your coming from, of COURSE they are not the same, it was just a comment about those two banding together helping kara get a handle on things.

[LoveHurts38]

Originally posted by thehenry89
tecnichally martha was also mrs.kent, but there will only be one Mrs. Clark Kent. and it will be Lois Lane.

Clark had more chemistry in his one scene with shelby then he did in his reunion scene with lana.


Amen to the part Lois Lane being Mrs. Clark Kent in the future:D

[outsyder]

Okay I take back what I said on a recent forum, this was a horrible, horrible idea v_v...

[theWatcher]

Well they earned it. They deserved time together, even if they are doomed. It's not how long a relationship is that matters, but they quality of the relationship! Love is all that matters.

[Minela]

Except that this love will die and be burried and we will have a party.

[KryptonianBlaze]

Originally posted by Minela
Except that this love will die and be burried and we will have a party.

Thank you

[dh1031]

Amen to the part Lois Lane being Mrs. Clark Kent in the future Bite your tongue!! God help whoever has the misfortune to wind up with the Lois we see in Smallville. Clark's gut reaction to Lois in Crimson when she was coming on to him was right, RUN!!

[operadiva]

Clark and Lana the new Johnathan and Martha....Whoever said that must be high on crack...Saying that is like smearing Clana **** all over the romance and bond that Martha and johnathan kent had...

[Sweetie]

Sorry to say this but,are you out of your mind :eek:

Just because Lana is living in her house doesn't make her Mrs.Kent...NO,GOOD GOD NO!!!It's even hard for me to say Lana & Martha in the same sentense!!!

[kryptonaidxh]

Originally posted by Sweetie
Sorry to say this but,are you out of your mind :eek:

Just because Lana is living in her house doesn't make her Mrs.Kent...NO,GOOD GOD NO!!!It's even hard for me to say Lana & Martha in the same sentense!!!

:D Exactly!, the only Mrs. Kent the whole world knows is only: Lois Lane, nobody else, we know Clark never is going to end with lana actually, he deserves someone much better than a fool and insignificant girl.
Lois is the woman for him, his true love and his destiny.:D

[operadiva]

No.. i did not mean Clark and Lana is the new Johanthan and Martha...they will never be that..never....Hopefully Al will not make it so...but that fool Al Gough... we all know he is a sick bastard...

[Son of Kal-El20]

Originally posted by paolinki25
The scene could have a parallel, but you cannot compare the loving, mature relationship Martha and Jonathan had to Clark and Lana playing house and sugar coating all the crap that's happened between them with apple pies and lemonade.

Oh yeah, so loving :rolleyes: . That's why immediately after Johnathan was dead, Martha tried to get it on with Lionel. Their relationship wasn't that strong apparently. Martha obviously didn't love Johnathan that much.

As for Clark and Lana being the new John and Martha......no.

[Sweetie]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Kal-El20
[B]Oh yeah, so loving :rolleyes: . That's why immediately after Johnathan was dead, Martha tried to get it on with Lionel. Their relationship wasn't that strong apparently. Martha obviously didn't love Johnathan that much.

Well,excuse me but,when did Martha get it on with Lionel?Also,the woman was in awfull pain because of her husband's death of course,she turned to whoever she could for support and help.Lionel was there for her.Clark is always in the lunatic mode because of Lana,he didn't even notice that his mother was suffering inside and needed more support.So,I think she had every rights to turn to Lionel.But,she told to Clark on the ep:Crimson that just because she hangs out with Lionel that doesn't mean she trusts him.So,that woman is clever and on her guard not like a certain girl that we all know.

[operadiva]

Martha did not steal 10 million dollars from Lionel..You must be confused
Son of Kal-El20...That would be Lana Purging Lex's bank account of 10 million dollars..I did not hear her saying she would even return any of it...And Martha did have a great relationship with Her husband jonathan...that was true love...They were soul mates..Not Clark and that ass Lana...
I don't think Lana loves Clark that much either..it didn't take her long to spin joyfully on lex's dick...She is just too depended on others to strike out on her own..No there love is an illusion..Soon to fade....so much so he moves on to Lois his real love...

[xO Mrs.Welling Ox]

I really can see where you're coming from on those parallels! :)

[Minela]

Originally posted by Son of Kal-El20
Oh yeah, so loving :rolleyes: . That's why immediately after Johnathan was dead, Martha tried to get it on with Lionel. Their relationship wasn't that strong apparently. Martha obviously didn't love Johnathan that much.

As for Clark and Lana being the new John and Martha......no.

That is a completly unfair and unfounded accusation against Martha. All we ever heard form her is how much she loved Jonathan. Now, I guess you would have her live alone and misrable for the rest of her life, but that is really unrealistic. She is still a beautiful woman and deserves happiness. True, there is a spark between her and Lionel, but she has never acted on it. Ever since she's been a widdow, the only man in her life was Clark.

[velocity]

Originally posted by Minela
That is a completly unfair and unfounded accusation against Martha.
I agree, but these are also the kind of claims Lana always get thrown her way.

for example, "Lana gave Clark's medical file to Lex, behind his back - OMFG WHAT A *****."

of course, the fact the she had Clark's best interest at heart and wanted to get Lex off Clark's back is conveniently left out. :rolleyes:

[Nospam]

Originally posted by velocity
I agree, but these are also the kind of claims Lana always get thrown her way.

for example, "Lana gave Clark's medical file to Lex, behind his back - OMFG WHAT A *****."

of course, the fact the she had Clark's best interest at heart and wanted to get Lex of Clark's back is conveniently left out. :rolleyes:

I completely agree. There are plenty of better examples. :p

[velocity]

Originally posted by Nospam
I completely agree. There are plenty of better examples. :p
well then, feel free to contribute.

[Minela]

-Lana supporting Lex on 33.1, so they could protect themselves, from those...things.
-Lana willingly leting Lex die in Nemesis
-Lana wanting to leave Lex at the alter and not tell him, but instead leaving him a cowardly "Dear John Letter", leaving him humiliated before friends, business colegues and the press. Even though, at that time, she had no reason whatsoever to know Lex did anything bad to her. At that time, for all she knew, Lex was the devoted and loving boyfriend who gave her a place to live, shelled out big bucks for expensive vacations and clothes.

Just to name a few examples of Lana being...well...you know.

[velocity]

Originally posted by Minela
-Lana supporting Lex on 33.1, so they could protect themselves, from those...things.
-Lana willingly leting Lex die in Nemesis
-Lana wanting to leave Lex at the alter and not tell him, but instead leaving him a cowardly "Dear John Letter", leaving him humiliated before friends, business colegues and the press. Even though, at that time, she had no reason whatsoever to know Lex did anything bad to her. At that time, for all she knew, Lex was the devoted and loving boyfriend who gave her a place to live, shelled out big bucks for expensive vacations and clothes.

Just to name a few examples of Lana being...well...you know.

-Well, pretty much every meteorfreak she encountered has tried to harm her or someone else. I wouldn't expect her to hold them dear. I didn't really pay attention to that storyline - but was she aware of what 33.1 really was?

-Well, i think everyone in Lana's position except for Clark would've had the same instict - to let him rot down there. Don't be so quick to get up on that high horse, after all you've never experienced a man who faked your pregnancy and miscarriage.

-True, that was rather cowardly and selfish. However, i'm pretty sure we saw signs of Lana becoming suspicious of Lex, and what he is capable of. In Crimson he did say "If i ever let you slip through my fingers i don't know what i'd be capable of". That was creepy and scary.

[kryptonaidxh]

Originally posted by operadiva
No.. i did not mean Clark and Lana is the new Johanthan and Martha...they will never be that..never....Hopefully Al will not make it so...but that fool Al Gough... we all know he is a sick bastard...

:D oh thanks, I didn´t understand you at first, but you´re right, I don´t know what the hell does Al Gough has in his twisted head, it seems he likes to tourture us everynigh with a Clana loft scene.
to hell with Al Gough and to hell with Clana!, it sucks.:p :D

[alienkinfolk]

i am not a fan of clana. okay saying that-this clana relationship i see now could of gone down by season 3 or 4. it's painful to watch now,this late in the game. its now apparent to me more than ever, that they are such a bad match, it makes me wonder how i ever rooted for them to ever get together in the first place(i.e season 1&2). sorry hands down, no MK and JK look alikes here