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Minela

10-11-2007, 07:26 PM

How stupid to TPTB think we are anyway? Do they seriously think we'll forget all that Lana has done in the past just by bringing her back dressed in white, bathed in an angelic light in every scene, and have her say OOC understanding words to Clark? Is this the same woman who supported Lex on 33.1? Wasn't she the one to say, "we have to protect ourselves from them"?

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. She was drinking lemonade with Clark and made him an apple pie. So she must be a good girl, right? :rolleyes:

Awww, and she wants to grow old with Clark. :rolleyes: Isn't that romantic? :rolleyes: Is she gonna beg him now not to get involved in 'super' activities anymore? So that they can have a normal life? Awww. How cute. :rolleyes:

I guess they can do that, they have 10 million dollars they could live off of now. Perfect. :)

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 07:27 PM

I raise my glass in agreement.

fxrsteve

10-11-2007, 07:30 PM

Well, Clark is not the sharpest knife in the drawer

Minela

10-11-2007, 07:34 PM

And I at least would have imagined that the Clana scenes would have some emotion, spark, a sign of life. There was nothing. How could people say those two have chemistry? He had more chemistry with Lois in the short scene in Kara than he did in this entire episode with Lana. Hell, Jimmy and Chloe had more spark and he was only gone on assignment and Lana was supposedly dead.

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 07:37 PM

I equate the whole Clana relationship with a nature program. Notice that when you watch a pack of lionesses take down a water buffalo, the beast puts up a massive struggle, this is much like the passion of the earlier six Clana make ups and break ups. But as the beast loses energy, and the lion's become more tenacious all the buffalo can do is thrash its head from side to side, in a vain attempt to avoid that final death blow. I belive that's what we are seeing right now.

CDLBLUE

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

I agree, when Lex goes bad, as we all know that he will, he will tell Clark about the ten million, and about Lana other activities when she was living in his mansion, I would not be surprised if Lex didn't film with his security cameras their sex romps, and show them to Clark as well.

Minela

10-11-2007, 07:45 PM

If I saw my supposedly true love after thinking he was dead, my first reaction would probably be a scream of dissbelieve. Maybe shock. Than after calming down I would hug him and kiss him and never let go. Clark and Lana looked like they were on valium.

Don't get me wrong, I was really glad there was no Clana kiss. But it was a little bit unrealistic. Lame, triple lame.

Where is Lois to breath some life into that boy? Lana seems to have sucked it out.

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Minela
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Where is Lois to breath some life into that boy? Lana seems to have sucked it out.

Well she's also performed full castration on half the male population in Smallville.

lunarhythm

10-11-2007, 07:48 PM

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by lunarhythm
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thank you kim :D

paolinki25

10-11-2007, 07:55 PM

When was she ever? She's wearing white again as if that would clean her bad doings. :rolleyes:

Clana4Life

10-11-2007, 07:56 PM

I think the scene you guys want happened in Season 5 when Lana thought Clark was dead and then Jor-El brought him back with his powers. When Lana saw him she ran and jumped on him and they had this really great moment. Women are just a bit more emotional. We just saw the reunion from the male perspective. He was happy, but he was shocked.
As far as Lex telling Clark about the money. He might want to add the part about drugging Lana and cloning her, too. Lex won't be ratting out anyone. And Lana will probably give that money back or give it to charity. She's perfectly happy living on the farm with Clark. Clana reminded me so much of Jonathan and Martha in this episode. They've really matured.

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think the scene you guys want happened in Season 5 when Lana thought Clark was dead and then Jor-El brought him back with his powers. When Lana saw him she ran and jumped on him and they had this really great moment. Women are just a bit more emotional. We just saw the reunion from the male perspective. He was happy, but he was shocked.
As far as Lex telling Clark about the money. He might want to add the part about drugging Lana and cloning her, too. Lex won't be ratting out anyone. And Lana will probably give that money back or give it to charity. She's perfectly happy living on the farm with Clark. Clana reminded me so much of Jonathan and Martha in this episode. They've really matured.

Ahh but the difference is Lex can prove what lana did to him. Lana doesn't have that same luxury. Plus with one phone call he can have lana arrested for at least four different felonies.

Minela

10-11-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think the scene you guys want happened in Season 5 when Lana thought Clark was dead and then Jor-El brought him back with his powers. When Lana saw him she ran and jumped on him and they had this really great moment. Women are just a bit more emotional. We just saw the reunion from the male perspective. He was happy, but he was shocked.
As far as Lex telling Clark about the money. He might want to add the part about drugging Lana and cloning her, too. Lex won't be ratting out anyone. And Lana will probably give that money back or give it to charity. She's perfectly happy living on the farm with Clark. Clana reminded me so much of Jonathan and Martha in this episode. They've really matured.

She didn't mature. This wasn't Lana. They wrote this character so OOC, it is ridiculous. How am I supposed to believe the Lana from last season is the one sitting in the Kent kitchen baking apple pie? I can't.

Kid Collins

10-11-2007, 08:02 PM

:lol:

St. Lana. I like it!!

She's back in Clark's orbit and living with him and giving advise regarding how he's raising Kara.

I think she will do her best to protect both Clark and Kara.

paolinki25

10-11-2007, 08:04 PM

Giving advice to Kara. Lana giving advice? Seriously? :lol: I actually laughed during that scene.

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by paolinki25
Giving advice to Kara. Lana giving advice? Seriously? :lol: I actually laughed during that scene.

lana can give great advice. If you ever need to break the law and lie about it then give her a call.

Minela

10-11-2007, 08:07 PM

I hated that Lana giving advice scene. It was so OOC. The entire episode was OOC for her. Will the real Lana pleas stand up? Please stand up.

Clana4Life

10-11-2007, 08:09 PM

I think so, too. She was like "Kara's from Minnesota." When she's loyal, she's loyal. The Lana we saw in Fierce is the Lana that we've seen during the past six season with the exception of a few episodes from last season. It should mentioned though that Lana was very hurt by Clark. Remember he told her he didn't love her.

Thehenry89, Lana may not have proof about what Lex did to her, but Clark would believe her. Geez, you guys want a "saint of a character." The great thing about Lana is that she has different angles. She's not perfect and she's probably a more well rounded and believable character the the others. I for one don't want to watch a one dimensional character who never makes mistakes.

ChlarkMe

10-11-2007, 08:09 PM

The only thing I can see that's good about Clana is that it's doomed to end. Enough is Enough already.

Lana is all about Lana what she want's she's going to get one way or another. Everyone else be dam**d. At the moment she want's Clark. That will change eventually. I just wonder who her back pocket guy is going to be because she always has one. My theory is she'll end up back with Lex eventually. They are like two peas in a pod and IMO deserve one another.

Mello Penelo

10-11-2007, 08:11 PM

Looking at Lana makes me want to become an alcoholic.

Kid Collins

10-11-2007, 08:13 PM

Get used to Lana giving advise to Kara. She'll be living with Clark and sharing his bed and cooking with him.

:lol:

thehenry89

10-11-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Clana4Life

Thehenry89, Lana may not have proof about what Lex did to her, but Clark would believe her. Geez, you guys want a "saint of a character."

I don't think lana's a stain she's what i like to call an "aint" she pretends she's all holier then thou but then does underhanded things behind clark's sleeping back.

Also even if Clark belived her they still can't prove it. If they wanted anything to happen to Lex they would have to be able to provide proof in a court of law. Lex can they can't. so basically he still has the upper hand.

kryptonaidxh

10-11-2007, 08:23 PM

:( :rolleyes: Yes, maybe writters, Al &Miles think we´re stupid, and we just apologize their lack of ideas with the same clana another season, but can´t they understand?:( WE DON´T LIKE LANA ANYMORE!, AND WE DON´T WANT CLANA AGAIN!, got it?
si I don´t either know why the hell did they bring back that fool in Smallville, highschool is OVER!, lana is not so important, and some men like lana just because she has a pretty face, but that´s it, I´m sick of her, and well:rolleyes: , they didn´t let another remedy: so PEOPLÉ, I have an idea for the clana gone: LET´S STOP WATCHING SMALLVILLE !;) , and they will understand they must take her out the show.red b

Clana4Life

10-11-2007, 08:27 PM

If all of the Clana haters stopped watching Smallville it wouldn't matter. The fans who like out number the haters. I know thehenry89, you're just waiting for my statistical analysis. But even you did stop watching the show, they've written the episodes so far in advance. Clana is still together in January.

Darth Pipes

10-11-2007, 08:29 PM

Got to love how Lana says she committed a terrible crime and Clark doesn't even question her about it. I would want to know if my "significant other" had done something terribly wrong.

paolinki25

10-11-2007, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Get used to Lana giving advise to Kara. She'll be living with Clark and sharing his bed and cooking with him.

:lol:

Well, let's see if Kara is gonna like her all that much, especially when she starts seeing/or finding out about the crazy sh*t this human girl is doing behind her cousin's back.

newfan

10-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Looking at Lana makes me want to become an alcoholic.

:rotfl::rotfl: ME TOO! Its why I had to pull out a Corona with this episode :rotfl: As soon as she came on the tv it was like..ughh make me vomit! :rotfl:

ChlarkMe

10-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Get used to Lana giving advise to Kara. She'll be living with Clark and sharing his bed and cooking with him.

:lol:

Isn't Clark a great role model for the youth of the world?

Chloe Sullivan 2010

10-11-2007, 08:32 PM

I'm just wondering how long they'll keep trying to sail this ship before they realize that it's sunk?

CLanaF23

10-11-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by kryptonaidxh
:( :rolleyes: Yes, maybe writters, Al &Miles think we´re stupid, and we just apologize their lack of ideas with the same clana another season, but can´t they understand?:( WE DON´T LIKE LANA ANYMORE!, AND WE DON´T WANT CLANA AGAIN!, got it?
si I don´t either know why the hell did they bring back that fool in Smallville, highschool is OVER!, lana is not so important, and some men like lana just because she has a pretty face, but that´s it, I´m sick of her, and well:rolleyes: , they didn´t let another remedy: so PEOPLÉ, I have an idea for the clana gone: LET´S STOP WATCHING SMALLVILLE !;) , and they will understand they must take her out the show.red b

speak for yourself I LOVE CLANA!! and i know alot of people who do soo stop hatin!

Originally posted by Minela
How stupid to TPTB think we are anyway? Do they seriously think we'll forget all that Lana has done in the past just by bringing her back dressed in white, bathed in an angelic light in every scene, and have her say OOC understanding words to Clark? Is this the same woman who supported Lex on 33.1? Wasn't she the one to say, "we have to protect ourselves from them"?

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. She was drinking lemonade with Clark and made him an apple pie. So she must be a good girl, right? :rolleyes:

Awww, and she wants to grow old with Clark. :rolleyes: Isn't that romantic? :rolleyes: Is she gonna beg him now not to get involved in 'super' activities anymore? So that they can have a normal life? Awww. How cute. :rolleyes:

I guess they can do that, they have 10 million dollars they could live off of now. Perfect. :)

first off who doesn't have a past?? and no one said lana is perfect...and the whole grow old together scene was soo bangin soo stop hatin on that one.and she would never ask clark to stop using his powers..why would she? stop bein so anti lana...and bringing up every little mistake or bad choice she has made..the thing about lana is she does mean wat she said to clark...and the whole 10 million dollars thing..after everything lex did to her..i would have took dat money too..i mean she had to get out ...she did wat she had to do and i respect that. so i basically love lana and Clana cause they have been through soo much and still love each other..and if lana was soo bad why would clark still be in love with her?..hes not stupid or blind...he just noes she is a good person and the love of his life!!

Minela

10-11-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by CLanaF23
speak for yourself I LOVE CLANA!! and i know alot of people who do soo stop hatin!

I know you said you are young and not familiar with Superman mythology. So let me enlighten you. Lana Lang is not even a chapter in the life of Clark Kent, she is a footnote.

Originally posted by CLanaF23
first off who doesn't have a past?? and no one said lana is perfect...and the whole grow old together scene was soo bangin soo stop hatin on that one.and she would never ask clark to stop using his powers..why would she? stop bein so anti lana...and bringing up every little mistake or bad choice she has made..the thing about lana is she does mean wat she said to clark...and the whole 10 million dollars thing..after everything lex did to her..i would have took dat money too..i mean she had to get out ...she did wat she had to do and i respect that. so i basically love lana and Clana cause they have been through soo much and still love each other..and if lana was soo bad why would clark still be in love with her?..hes not stupid or blind...he just noes she is a good person and the love of his life!!

This is laughable. Clark loves Lana because he is blinded by his own fear of being alone. He doesn't even know who Lana is anymore. He is so willing to put the past behind him and sweep every bad thing under the rug so he can have his illusion with Lana. But once that house comes crashing down on him, it won't be pretty.

Honey45

10-11-2007, 09:49 PM

People on the show have done a lot worse things than Lana.
But apparently since it's Lana, everything she does is a million times worse.

Minela

10-11-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
People on the show have done a lot worse things than Lana.
But apparently since it's Lana, everything she does is a million times worse.

Pretty much. For two reasons. One, the only people who have done worse things than Lana are villains. It is expected of them to do bad things. Lana on the other hand is forgiven everything. Two, she is ruining the hero of the story. She is ruining Clark Kent, the main character and therefore she cannot be forgiven for her sins.

Honey45

10-11-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Minela
Pretty much. For two reasons. One, the only people who have done worse things than Lana are villains. It is expected of them to do bad things. Lana on the other hand is forgiven everything. Two, she is ruining the hero of the story. She is ruining Clark Kent, the main character and therefore she cannot be forgiven for her sins.

You do know that's just your opinion, right?
You thinking it doesn't make it fact.

I'm sure there's tons of people who agree with you - and I'm also sure there's tons of people who don't think she's ruining Clark at all.

Minela

10-11-2007, 09:57 PM

Actually it is fact that she is ruining Clark. Let me quote another poster here. Tobywolf:

"I.
Clark's been influenced quite a bit in his life by people on how to be a hero.
1) Martha Kent has been his heart and he admitted as much in "Solitude." She selflessly put her social life and her own safety on the line for him. Her son meant more to her than even the relationship with her own father. She's shown him what it means to have integrity and to lead others with her turn in the state and now national senate.
2) Jonathon Kent, for all his black and white moralizing, is still a good man. He's the one who shaped Clark's morality, taught him how to never abuse his gifts, and taught him what was right in this world. ??
3) Lex. In the beginning, Lex was not the villain of the story. He was the guy struggling to separate himself from his father's evil name by doing his best for a town that hated him. The more Smallville shunned him, the more he gave back. He put his personal fortune and his livelihood on the line to keep the plant running and that was a Hell of an example in sacrifice and commitment for Clark to follow. Similarly, as he's gone dark, become the villain/anti-hero; he's become the model of how Clark should NOT live his life. The opposite of everything Clark is striving to be.
4) Chloe. She's done wrong. She sold him out to Lionel almost five years ago and it was a mistake and she never should have done it, but she paid dearly for her bargain (blacklisting, father's unemployment, losing her home, desperate for financial aid to even attend college, almost being murdered, having Clark mad at her...etc.) However, since her redemption, she's taught Clark what it means to be a true friend, to protect someone with your life, to sacrifice everything no matter what it costs you personally. She's also been the best PROFESSIONAL model for the boy who one day is supposed to grow into a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. She's used The Torch and her exposes at The Planet, especially her big work in progress against Lex and 33.1, to fight corruption and to stop the evils of big business in general (Summerholt, Luthorcorp) and the Luthors' crimes against humanity in particular. She's the one who's put hard work every day into her career and has shown what hard work can bring, and she's the one always urging him to be more heroic and reminding him of the hero he is (Aqua, Sneeze, Bizarro and many other eps). ??
5) J'onn J'onz. Clark hasn't learned much from him yet, but I suspect both he and Kara will work together or both by their separate examples show Clark how to honor his alien heritage while still protecting the world he loves.
6) Evan Lois, especially in her arc through Crusade to Gone and her arc from Noir through to Phantom has taught Clark about determination and not backing down when people one loves are threatened. And please don’t forget that it is Lois Lane in his future who the person who grounds him and reminds him of his humanity. She is his center and should be recognized, if only indirectly, as such.
In contrast, Lana has done NOTHING to further Clark's development toward his heroic journey or to being either a better hero or a better human being. ??
She's the girl he's always tried to be human and normal for because, honestly, Lana is a bigot who doesn't like either meteor freaks or aliens (Visitor, Extinction, Arrival, Lockdown, Zod, Arrow, Static). He hid a lot of who he was, especially in a post Cyrus and a post-Van McNulty world because he was afraid of her reaction and justifiably so. ??
This, however, is an old argument and has been ridiculously retconned with the events of Reckoning and, more recently, Freak and now Lana is some champion of the meteor mutants and has no problems with either Clark or Kara's heritage. ??There's a massive suspension of disbelief. ??However, my point relates directly to Lana's behavior since her break-up with Clark in "Hypnotic." In the last season and a half she has served precisely as the anti-heroine, a perfect match for later seasons Lex, who is an example of every thing that a good, decent person should NOT be. ??
A) Void - It's not the druggie behavior that is bothersome. It's her selfish disregard for others. Yes Clark did hurt her and it was the most devastating event in her life short of her parents' death, but many people go through painful break-ups. They don't spiral like she did and they don't drag others down with them. She stole Lex's Porsche to support her habit but, worse yet, her actions led to Lex's and her medical student friend's death. ?
B) From Vessel - Subterranean: Lana is vengeful and cold to Clark. Yes, he certainly earned it and after the way he treated her, I can't blame her myself for being snippy with him, but Superman is supposed to be a character based in hope and forgiveness. Lana was petty, cruel and spiteful to him ("Vessel," Sneeze, and, especially, Rage). She was no role model for selfless forgiveness.
C) Static - In this episode Lana admits point blank to Lex that 33.1 would not be such a bad idea if it were real. She is basically endorsing crimes against humanity along the order of Auschwitz or Tuskegee and blithely admitting that as long as it keeps "Them" away from the rest of us, the normal humans, then the crimes Lex commits are all right and justified. Clark and Chloe (and eventually Lois) will spend season six working against Lex and 33.1, trying to prevent the abuse of the meteor infected and she endorses it.
D) Hydro - Fickle emotions and lack of loyalty. After months of dismissing Clark and saying that "I don't know how I could have ever loved you [re: Clark]" she comes to him and begs him to give her an excuse to leave who she thinks is the father of her child. Technically, she has the right to say no to an engagement, but to be so fickle and to turn from one man to another the second a definite commitment is required says a lot about her character. She can't commit to Lex and previously in S5 she strayed from Clark and sought out emotional intimacy and partnership with Lex over the ship. This fickleness is a hallmark Lana Lang trait before Clark's secrets and lies drove her to it in S5 or before Lex made her evil in S6. She flirted with Clark while her current boyfriend Whitney was trying to salvage his family with his dying father, she went to prom with Clark while still nominally living with Jason, and so it goes. ??Lana is the antithesis of loyalty and commitment and these, again, are hallmark JLU member traits in general and Superman traits in specific. ?
E) Promise - The idea of running off on your wedding day from the father of your child is reprehensible. The fact that she was lulling the future Sups into the idea that it was all right to be romantically involved with the mother of his ex-best friend's child is even worse. However, there was never a baby and a woman does have the right to get cold feet. Still, this episode is a sterling example of Lana's cowardice. She cannot face a confrontation. She simply lacks the courage to face uncomfortable social situations. She leaves Whitney a "Dear John" video letter, can't even sit by Clark's side when he's sick, and never officially breaks up with Jason. ??Her attempted letter leaving for Lex tops all of this. She was going to leave Lex (evil or not) humiliated in front of all of the wedding party, Metropolis, and the media. She didn't want to marry him. Fine. It would have been better if she hadn't than to have their marriage blow apart in such a messy fashion and ruin them both. However, she has a responsibility to tell him in person of her decision. She took his ring, she agreed to be his fiancé and to stand with him at that altar before God and say "yes." If she were going to say no, she should have had the courage to do it to his face. ??She did not. Lana Lang is a common coward and that is the absolute last thing Superman has ever been.
F) Nemesis - This is s two-for episode showing what kind of woman she is when pushed, what kind of lengths she'll go to. First, she tortures Lionel and threatens to kill him and then she leaves Lex to die. Yes, Lionel pushed her and threatened her but she didn't have to sink that far. Lionel threatened Chloe too, but she sought out a legal way to get out from under his control. Lana has similar resources. She could have told the Kents about Lionel's threats, warned Clark he was in danger. She also could have gone to Lois and asked for military help to save her from Lionel. Hell, she could have gone to her husband. She chose, instead, to threaten back and torture. ??Similarly, she leaves Lex to die. She only SUSPECTS at that point that Lex faked the pregnancy. In fact, as of this moment, all we know and she knows is that someone pumped her full of hormones. It's never been proven that Lex was responsible. It's equally likely that it is Lionel and that may very well be the reason she's holding him in torture (AGAIN). She pulled a stunt very similar to what Helen Bryce and Desiree tried and this time she had no proof to back up her actions or no greed to excuse. She was going to let a man die based on little more than built up suspicion. She became judge, jury, and executioner in one fell swoop. ??On his worst days, even Batman doesn't opt for hardcore torture or circumventing due process, despite his vigilante tendencies. Superman, the ultimate Boy Scout, always puts his faith in the law first.
G) Phantom - Ugh, adultery again. Leaving Lex but still technically married, she comes to Clark and kisses him. Superman under no circumstances should be kissing a married woman. It is just a slap in the face to his character and the mythos. ??
H) Bizarro - the amazing retcon. I don't even understand the plot holes and leaps of logic necessary to believe that Lana broke her dead!Clone out of Reeves Dam, however, it makes her look very, very bad and this is above and beyond the obvious. But let's just enumerate all the ways faking her death in this way was wrong: ??
i) She faked her death. This is FRAUD and punishable by 5-10 years in jail. Yes, she was afraid for her life, but by then she KNEW Lionel wasn't threatening her. If she wanted safe escape from Lex she had several options. She could have asked Lionel to help hide her from Lex. She, again, could have used Lois to get help from General Sam Lane OR she could have gone to Martha Kent and tried using her Washington contacts for help. She had options; she just chose not to use them and to commit a major crime (by her own admission in Fierce) instead. ??
ii) Desecration of a dead body. Not as bad as murder, but still a crime. ?
iii) Framed Lex who she STILL isn't 100% sure is behind the not!baby for a capital crime. Read that again: a CAPITAL CRIME. If Lex had gone to trial for her murder, he could have gotten the death penalty for something he didn't do. ??
iv) Breaking an entering and theft in order to extract the Lana-clone. ?
v) Forging documents in order to get the visa necessary to travel to and rent property in communist China. If Lionel wasn't behind her faking her death and based on the spoilers of him being tortured on her command, this seems less and less likely, Lana can add this form of fraud to her resume as well. ??But, you know, oh well, she was pressed into this and she had no other options. Lionel's shady and she doesn't know Lois well enough to ask the General for a favor or Martha's in DC already...etc.'??Okay, so she can't use adults for help. What about Clark and Chloe? She knows that Clark has powers and saves meteor mutants (he interceded with Tobias and that she knows for a fact). She also knows that Chloe hates Lex and works for The Planet exposing fraud for a living. Lana had access to Reeve's Dam, was able to sneak into it, and able to procure honest to go PROOF of illicit human cloning. All she had to do was give Chloe and Clark access to the facility when she ninja'ed her way in and let them bring back proof from the lab along with the Lana-clone. That would have been sufficient evidence to bring to the Planet, run the expose, and to have Lex LOCKED AWAY FOR LIFE. ??She could have been the hero to eradicate 33.1 and stop Lex Luthor cold. Then she could have been an example for Clark as fighting for truth and justice, but she chose VENGEANCE instead. She didn't use Lana-clone as proof to expose Lex but merely to set him up so she could have the satisfaction of MURDERING him later (Kara). ??Lana was selfish. She put her own desires and needs, her want for vengeance on Lex over the pain of Wes or the mutants. ??In essence, she failed big time. ??But we're not even done yet with Lana's crimes. ??From spoilers, we know she wants to stay hidden to "clear her name." This means she is knowingly going to let the cancer patient who took Lex's place rot away in prison so she can avoid going herself. She also has stolen over 10 million dollars from Lex. I don't pretend to know whether or not they even had a prenup, but they weren't divorced yet and it was his money, not hers. It's worse if she skimmed off the top of the company and pulled an ENRON and stole directly from the pension funds of others. We also know, per Action, that she's holding Lionel and having him TORTURED again. ??The most egregious failing of her character per the spoilers comes from "Wrath." She will receive Clark's powers in a way similar to Eric Summers from "Leech," and like Eric Summers, whose crimes were so egregious he is STILL in Belle Reeve, she will abuse her powers. No, scratch that, she will abuse Clark's abilities. ??How can Lana possibly be a model for Clark's behavior, how can she be the one pushing him to be a superhero, when her first reaction when she gets a taste of his powers is to abuse them and to become a threat. She becomes, in essence, a tamer version of Bizarro, everything Clark is not. ??And if you argue that having Kryptonian powers warps anyone's mind and that it's not her fault, then you're wrong. Lionel, Jonathon, and Lex have all had Kryptonian powers. Kara is experiencing for the first time what it is to be under the yellow sun. None of these four individuals used their powers to hurt others intentionally. ??None. ??Something is flawed in Lana, just as it was flawed in Eric and in Dr. Willowbrook's assistant in "Talisman."??Ergo, Lana is a flawed human being whose list of crimes, offenses, and terrible personality traits is very long. She can't push Clark into being Superman this season because, honestly, she isn't even a good human being herself, let alone the model for a good superhero or the support system a superhero would need
II. Here is something to consider if you are thinking of going with the Saint-Lana scenario, which has her selflessly push Clark to his destiny for the sake of the world.
Aside from her martyrdom in "Promise," which was a stupid premise because Lionel was NEVER a threat to Clark (She was tricked, not a hero there.), has Lana Lang ever been selfless? ??She's used her friends and abused their trust (Chloe especially with the wine cellar incident in "Promise" but more recently with choosing to let her suffer and mourn when she could let her know that Lana Luthor is indeed alive).
She's also repeatedly disregarded the feelings of others. Nell, after putting her life on hold for 13 years finally has a shot at romance and she whines about how it affects her because she has to move to Metropolis. The Sullivans take her in for TWO years. They feed her and take care of her so she can stay in Smallville and she never once even says thank you. In fact, in "Truth" she complains that they didn't make her feel enough like family and she applies to the Parisian art school without even telling them. Gabe doesn't even have a job and is taking on the extra expense of Lana and she goes behind his back and is thoroughly ungrateful. She doesn't come back even for their funerals. ??
It's all about how she feels and not about the hardships other people have gone through for her. ??She treats her boyfriends worse: running around on Whitney when his father was dying, complaining that he's not spending enough time with her in between hospital visits and running Fordman's. The minute Jason starts working for Lex; she starts to stray back to Clark. Clark goes back to lying to her and she snuggles up to Lex. Lex gives her everything---a mansion to live in rent-free, free clothes, a vocation (she chooses Luthorcorp charities to work for on her school hiatus), expensive trips to Paris and Amsterdam. He does all of this for her and she's selfish enough to leave him to be humiliated at the altar. ??
Her faking her death plan is even more selfish, besides leaving the 33.1 mutants in the lurch, it also ruins her friends. She puts Clark and Chloe through extreme pain and suffering because it's easier to frame Lex and to seek vengeance than to find another way to dissolve her marriage. ??It's even in little ways that Lana has to be the center of attention, that she has to loved and doted on by others and that, in turn, their feelings don't matter. Even in her "good Lana" days of season 1 and 2, she is self-absorbed and selfish. She finds a way to turn around all her conversations with Clark so that they are All. About. Her. ??
For example: ??
1) "Rogue" - Clark's worried about his dad being framed for murder and he asks her about feeling like she's a burden to her adoptive parents. She turns the conversation around to be about the day she ran away in the snow. ??
2) "Lineage" - He's genuinely freaked out about Rachel DunLeavy and she makes the conversation about her and Henry Small. ??
3) "Skinwalker" - Clark's bereft over Khyla and she comes to him instead to get comfort for Whitney going MIA??
In conclusion, Lana is self-absorbed, ungrateful, and unconcerned with the feelings of others. She has a pathological need to be the center of attention and this type of woman will NEVER be the selfless girl you want her to be. She is physically incapable of sharing Clark with the world."

SecretzNLyz15

10-11-2007, 10:00 PM

I've already knocked that argument in the other thread. It's all based on her perspective and opinion. It's NOT fact.

StrippedSmile

10-11-2007, 10:00 PM

First of all, Clarks reaction was...unrealistic. If my true love was back and he was just standing there in front of me, I'd probably either a) faint or b) scream. Then, kiss him and hug him and make sure to never let him out of my sight.

Second, why is Clark so fine with Lana faking her death without telling him, going to China, then coming back and having stole millions of dollars? That's the most unrealistic part.

But it wasn't anything not expected.

Minela

10-11-2007, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I've already knocked that argument in the other thread. It's all based on her perspective and opinion. It's NOT fact.

I disagree. But you knew that. :cool:

BadToad

10-11-2007, 10:06 PM

I've already knocked that argument in the other thread. It's all based on her perspective and opinion. It's NOT fact.

I wouldn't say you "knocked" the arguement. You just seem to refuse to ever see anything Lana does is wrong, unless someone else is to blame, or someone else is more wrong.

Kid Collins

10-11-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I've already knocked that argument in the other thread. It's all based on her perspective and opinion. It's NOT fact.

Yep.

And Lex DID fake Lana's pregnancy!

Confirmation from the big man himself,
Al Gough!!

Kyogre

10-11-2007, 10:16 PM

cotton candy girl

10-11-2007, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Minela
Pretty much. For two reasons. One, the only people who have done worse things than Lana are villains. It is expected of them to do bad things. Lana on the other hand is forgiven everything. Two, she is ruining the hero of the story. She is ruining Clark Kent, the main character and therefore she cannot be forgiven for her sins.

Have we forgotten about Clark breaking federal law by robbing banks? And he chose to keep putting on the ring.

BadToad

10-11-2007, 10:22 PM

Have we forgotten about Clark breaking federal law by robbing banks? And he chose to keep putting on the ring.

Actually, no we haven't (no matter how many times Lana fans bring it up to justify it). But a few little facts here...he was 16 years old. He gave back the money. He did blame himself, and never went with the old chestnut of blaming someone else for his actions. And since then, he's never willingly gone near Red K again, and he's saved about a million lives. So, ya know, I really do believe he's made amends in the very best way he can.

Lana going to give back the money? We'll see. Is Lana going to accept all blame, and not make up a lame excuse? LOL, never going to happen. Is Lana going to spend the next years of her life helping and saving people? :lol: :lol:

Yeah, didn't think so.

Kyogre

10-11-2007, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Minela
Actually it is fact that she is ruining Clark. Let me quote another poster here. Tobywolf:

"I.
Clark's been influenced quite a bit in his life by people on how to be a hero.
1) Martha Kent has been his heart and he admitted as much in "Solitude." She selflessly put her social life and her own safety on the line for him. Her son meant more to her than even the relationship with her own father. She's shown him what it means to have integrity and to lead others with her turn in the state and now national senate.
2) Jonathon Kent, for all his black and white moralizing, is still a good man. He's the one who shaped Clark's morality, taught him how to never abuse his gifts, and taught him what was right in this world. ??
3) Lex. In the beginning, Lex was not the villain of the story. He was the guy struggling to separate himself from his father's evil name by doing his best for a town that hated him. The more Smallville shunned him, the more he gave back. He put his personal fortune and his livelihood on the line to keep the plant running and that was a Hell of an example in sacrifice and commitment for Clark to follow. Similarly, as he's gone dark, become the villain/anti-hero; he's become the model of how Clark should NOT live his life. The opposite of everything Clark is striving to be.
4) Chloe. She's done wrong. She sold him out to Lionel almost five years ago and it was a mistake and she never should have done it, but she paid dearly for her bargain (blacklisting, father's unemployment, losing her home, desperate for financial aid to even attend college, almost being murdered, having Clark mad at her...etc.) However, since her redemption, she's taught Clark what it means to be a true friend, to protect someone with your life, to sacrifice everything no matter what it costs you personally. She's also been the best PROFESSIONAL model for the boy who one day is supposed to grow into a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. She's used The Torch and her exposes at The Planet, especially her big work in progress against Lex and 33.1, to fight corruption and to stop the evils of big business in general (Summerholt, Luthorcorp) and the Luthors' crimes against humanity in particular. She's the one who's put hard work every day into her career and has shown what hard work can bring, and she's the one always urging him to be more heroic and reminding him of the hero he is (Aqua, Sneeze, Bizarro and many other eps). ??
5) J'onn J'onz. Clark hasn't learned much from him yet, but I suspect both he and Kara will work together or both by their separate examples show Clark how to honor his alien heritage while still protecting the world he loves.
6) Evan Lois, especially in her arc through Crusade to Gone and her arc from Noir through to Phantom has taught Clark about determination and not backing down when people one loves are threatened. And please don’t forget that it is Lois Lane in his future who the person who grounds him and reminds him of his humanity. She is his center and should be recognized, if only indirectly, as such.
In contrast, Lana has done NOTHING to further Clark's development toward his heroic journey or to being either a better hero or a better human being. ??
She's the girl he's always tried to be human and normal for because, honestly, Lana is a bigot who doesn't like either meteor freaks or aliens (Visitor, Extinction, Arrival, Lockdown, Zod, Arrow, Static). He hid a lot of who he was, especially in a post Cyrus and a post-Van McNulty world because he was afraid of her reaction and justifiably so. ??
This, however, is an old argument and has been ridiculously retconned with the events of Reckoning and, more recently, Freak and now Lana is some champion of the meteor mutants and has no problems with either Clark or Kara's heritage. ??There's a massive suspension of disbelief. ??However, my point relates directly to Lana's behavior since her break-up with Clark in "Hypnotic." In the last season and a half she has served precisely as the anti-heroine, a perfect match for later seasons Lex, who is an example of every thing that a good, decent person should NOT be. ??
A) Void - It's not the druggie behavior that is bothersome. It's her selfish disregard for others. Yes Clark did hurt her and it was the most devastating event in her life short of her parents' death, but many people go through painful break-ups. They don't spiral like she did and they don't drag others down with them. She stole Lex's Porsche to support her habit but, worse yet, her actions led to Lex's and her medical student friend's death. ?
B) From Vessel - Subterranean: Lana is vengeful and cold to Clark. Yes, he certainly earned it and after the way he treated her, I can't blame her myself for being snippy with him, but Superman is supposed to be a character based in hope and forgiveness. Lana was petty, cruel and spiteful to him ("Vessel," Sneeze, and, especially, Rage). She was no role model for selfless forgiveness.
C) Static - In this episode Lana admits point blank to Lex that 33.1 would not be such a bad idea if it were real. She is basically endorsing crimes against humanity along the order of Auschwitz or Tuskegee and blithely admitting that as long as it keeps "Them" away from the rest of us, the normal humans, then the crimes Lex commits are all right and justified. Clark and Chloe (and eventually Lois) will spend season six working against Lex and 33.1, trying to prevent the abuse of the meteor infected and she endorses it.
D) Hydro - Fickle emotions and lack of loyalty. After months of dismissing Clark and saying that "I don't know how I could have ever loved you [re: Clark]" she comes to him and begs him to give her an excuse to leave who she thinks is the father of her child. Technically, she has the right to say no to an engagement, but to be so fickle and to turn from one man to another the second a definite commitment is required says a lot about her character. She can't commit to Lex and previously in S5 she strayed from Clark and sought out emotional intimacy and partnership with Lex over the ship. This fickleness is a hallmark Lana Lang trait before Clark's secrets and lies drove her to it in S5 or before Lex made her evil in S6. She flirted with Clark while her current boyfriend Whitney was trying to salvage his family with his dying father, she went to prom with Clark while still nominally living with Jason, and so it goes. ??Lana is the antithesis of loyalty and commitment and these, again, are hallmark JLU member traits in general and Superman traits in specific. ?
E) Promise - The idea of running off on your wedding day from the father of your child is reprehensible. The fact that she was lulling the future Sups into the idea that it was all right to be romantically involved with the mother of his ex-best friend's child is even worse. However, there was never a baby and a woman does have the right to get cold feet. Still, this episode is a sterling example of Lana's cowardice. She cannot face a confrontation. She simply lacks the courage to face uncomfortable social situations. She leaves Whitney a "Dear John" video letter, can't even sit by Clark's side when he's sick, and never officially breaks up with Jason. ??Her attempted letter leaving for Lex tops all of this. She was going to leave Lex (evil or not) humiliated in front of all of the wedding party, Metropolis, and the media. She didn't want to marry him. Fine. It would have been better if she hadn't than to have their marriage blow apart in such a messy fashion and ruin them both. However, she has a responsibility to tell him in person of her decision. She took his ring, she agreed to be his fiancé and to stand with him at that altar before God and say "yes." If she were going to say no, she should have had the courage to do it to his face. ??She did not. Lana Lang is a common coward and that is the absolute last thing Superman has ever been.
F) Nemesis - This is s two-for episode showing what kind of woman she is when pushed, what kind of lengths she'll go to. First, she tortures Lionel and threatens to kill him and then she leaves Lex to die. Yes, Lionel pushed her and threatened her but she didn't have to sink that far. Lionel threatened Chloe too, but she sought out a legal way to get out from under his control. Lana has similar resources. She could have told the Kents about Lionel's threats, warned Clark he was in danger. She also could have gone to Lois and asked for military help to save her from Lionel. Hell, she could have gone to her husband. She chose, instead, to threaten back and torture. ??Similarly, she leaves Lex to die. She only SUSPECTS at that point that Lex faked the pregnancy. In fact, as of this moment, all we know and she knows is that someone pumped her full of hormones. It's never been proven that Lex was responsible. It's equally likely that it is Lionel and that may very well be the reason she's holding him in torture (AGAIN). She pulled a stunt very similar to what Helen Bryce and Desiree tried and this time she had no proof to back up her actions or no greed to excuse. She was going to let a man die based on little more than built up suspicion. She became judge, jury, and executioner in one fell swoop. ??On his worst days, even Batman doesn't opt for hardcore torture or circumventing due process, despite his vigilante tendencies. Superman, the ultimate Boy Scout, always puts his faith in the law first.
G) Phantom - Ugh, adultery again. Leaving Lex but still technically married, she comes to Clark and kisses him. Superman under no circumstances should be kissing a married woman. It is just a slap in the face to his character and the mythos. ??
H) Bizarro - the amazing retcon. I don't even understand the plot holes and leaps of logic necessary to believe that Lana broke her dead!Clone out of Reeves Dam, however, it makes her look very, very bad and this is above and beyond the obvious. But let's just enumerate all the ways faking her death in this way was wrong: ??
i) She faked her death. This is FRAUD and punishable by 5-10 years in jail. Yes, she was afraid for her life, but by then she KNEW Lionel wasn't threatening her. If she wanted safe escape from Lex she had several options. She could have asked Lionel to help hide her from Lex. She, again, could have used Lois to get help from General Sam Lane OR she could have gone to Martha Kent and tried using her Washington contacts for help. She had options; she just chose not to use them and to commit a major crime (by her own admission in Fierce) instead. ??
ii) Desecration of a dead body. Not as bad as murder, but still a crime. ?
iii) Framed Lex who she STILL isn't 100% sure is behind the not!baby for a capital crime. Read that again: a CAPITAL CRIME. If Lex had gone to trial for her murder, he could have gotten the death penalty for something he didn't do. ??
iv) Breaking an entering and theft in order to extract the Lana-clone. ?
v) Forging documents in order to get the visa necessary to travel to and rent property in communist China. If Lionel wasn't behind her faking her death and based on the spoilers of him being tortured on her command, this seems less and less likely, Lana can add this form of fraud to her resume as well. ??But, you know, oh well, she was pressed into this and she had no other options. Lionel's shady and she doesn't know Lois well enough to ask the General for a favor or Martha's in DC already...etc.'??Okay, so she can't use adults for help. What about Clark and Chloe? She knows that Clark has powers and saves meteor mutants (he interceded with Tobias and that she knows for a fact). She also knows that Chloe hates Lex and works for The Planet exposing fraud for a living. Lana had access to Reeve's Dam, was able to sneak into it, and able to procure honest to go PROOF of illicit human cloning. All she had to do was give Chloe and Clark access to the facility when she ninja'ed her way in and let them bring back proof from the lab along with the Lana-clone. That would have been sufficient evidence to bring to the Planet, run the expose, and to have Lex LOCKED AWAY FOR LIFE. ??She could have been the hero to eradicate 33.1 and stop Lex Luthor cold. Then she could have been an example for Clark as fighting for truth and justice, but she chose VENGEANCE instead. She didn't use Lana-clone as proof to expose Lex but merely to set him up so she could have the satisfaction of MURDERING him later (Kara). ??Lana was selfish. She put her own desires and needs, her want for vengeance on Lex over the pain of Wes or the mutants. ??In essence, she failed big time. ??But we're not even done yet with Lana's crimes. ??From spoilers, we know she wants to stay hidden to "clear her name." This means she is knowingly going to let the cancer patient who took Lex's place rot away in prison so she can avoid going herself. She also has stolen over 10 million dollars from Lex. I don't pretend to know whether or not they even had a prenup, but they weren't divorced yet and it was his money, not hers. It's worse if she skimmed off the top of the company and pulled an ENRON and stole directly from the pension funds of others. We also know, per Action, that she's holding Lionel and having him TORTURED again. ??The most egregious failing of her character per the spoilers comes from "Wrath." She will receive Clark's powers in a way similar to Eric Summers from "Leech," and like Eric Summers, whose crimes were so egregious he is STILL in Belle Reeve, she will abuse her powers. No, scratch that, she will abuse Clark's abilities. ??How can Lana possibly be a model for Clark's behavior, how can she be the one pushing him to be a superhero, when her first reaction when she gets a taste of his powers is to abuse them and to become a threat. She becomes, in essence, a tamer version of Bizarro, everything Clark is not. ??And if you argue that having Kryptonian powers warps anyone's mind and that it's not her fault, then you're wrong. Lionel, Jonathon, and Lex have all had Kryptonian powers. Kara is experiencing for the first time what it is to be under the yellow sun. None of these four individuals used their powers to hurt others intentionally. ??None. ??Something is flawed in Lana, just as it was flawed in Eric and in Dr. Willowbrook's assistant in "Talisman."??Ergo, Lana is a flawed human being whose list of crimes, offenses, and terrible personality traits is very long. She can't push Clark into being Superman this season because, honestly, she isn't even a good human being herself, let alone the model for a good superhero or the support system a superhero would need
II. Here is something to consider if you are thinking of going with the Saint-Lana scenario, which has her selflessly push Clark to his destiny for the sake of the world.
Aside from her martyrdom in "Promise," which was a stupid premise because Lionel was NEVER a threat to Clark (She was tricked, not a hero there.), has Lana Lang ever been selfless? ??She's used her friends and abused their trust (Chloe especially with the wine cellar incident in "Promise" but more recently with choosing to let her suffer and mourn when she could let her know that Lana Luthor is indeed alive).
She's also repeatedly disregarded the feelings of others. Nell, after putting her life on hold for 13 years finally has a shot at romance and she whines about how it affects her because she has to move to Metropolis. The Sullivans take her in for TWO years. They feed her and take care of her so she can stay in Smallville and she never once even says thank you. In fact, in "Truth" she complains that they didn't make her feel enough like family and she applies to the Parisian art school without even telling them. Gabe doesn't even have a job and is taking on the extra expense of Lana and she goes behind his back and is thoroughly ungrateful. She doesn't come back even for their funerals. ??
It's all about how she feels and not about the hardships other people have gone through for her. ??She treats her boyfriends worse: running around on Whitney when his father was dying, complaining that he's not spending enough time with her in between hospital visits and running Fordman's. The minute Jason starts working for Lex; she starts to stray back to Clark. Clark goes back to lying to her and she snuggles up to Lex. Lex gives her everything---a mansion to live in rent-free, free clothes, a vocation (she chooses Luthorcorp charities to work for on her school hiatus), expensive trips to Paris and Amsterdam. He does all of this for her and she's selfish enough to leave him to be humiliated at the altar. ??
Her faking her death plan is even more selfish, besides leaving the 33.1 mutants in the lurch, it also ruins her friends. She puts Clark and Chloe through extreme pain and suffering because it's easier to frame Lex and to seek vengeance than to find another way to dissolve her marriage. ??It's even in little ways that Lana has to be the center of attention, that she has to loved and doted on by others and that, in turn, their feelings don't matter. Even in her "good Lana" days of season 1 and 2, she is self-absorbed and selfish. She finds a way to turn around all her conversations with Clark so that they are All. About. Her. ??
For example: ??
1) "Rogue" - Clark's worried about his dad being framed for murder and he asks her about feeling like she's a burden to her adoptive parents. She turns the conversation around to be about the day she ran away in the snow. ??
2) "Lineage" - He's genuinely freaked out about Rachel DunLeavy and she makes the conversation about her and Henry Small. ??
3) "Skinwalker" - Clark's bereft over Khyla and she comes to him instead to get comfort for Whitney going MIA??
In conclusion, Lana is self-absorbed, ungrateful, and unconcerned with the feelings of others. She has a pathological need to be the center of attention and this type of woman will NEVER be the selfless girl you want her to be. She is physically incapable of sharing Clark with the world."

wow thats too long only read your first paragraph
of course you have pts. but its soaked in biased
its your opinion i respect that
:lol:

Kid Collins

10-11-2007, 10:28 PM

cotton candy girl

10-11-2007, 10:29 PM

STFanatic

10-11-2007, 10:39 PM

My toilet was stopped up with Clana, I almost had to call a plumber :eek:

Minela

10-11-2007, 10:40 PM

Clark robbed banks. In his three months of red K indulgence he, I'm sure, didn't steal as much as 10 million dollars. Plus Clark gave it all back.

Lana on the other hand, supported Lex' level 33.1, she blackmailed a man, she stole 10 million dollars, she faked her own death, she dececrated a corpse, she forged her identity, she tortured Lionel, she willingly let Lex die, she locked Chloe in a cold wineceller, she commited adultery, she cowardly would have left Lex (whom at the time she did not suspect was doing anyting wrong, and of whom she knew loved her) at the altar by leaving him a cowardly Dear John letter, humiliating him in front of his friends and business associates, not to mention the press. She behaved in the same cowardly way towards Whitney while he was risking his life, she did not bother to come back home for Chloe and Gabe's funerals, etc. And for all these things, she never made amense. Not once.

Kid Collins

10-11-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
My toilet was stopped up with Clana, I almost had to call a plumber :eek:

Well it's the cheesy beauty contest complete with 3 ANTM Freaks who couldn't act that put me to sleep.

Originally posted by Minela
Clark robbed banks. In his three months of red K indulgence he, I'm sure, didn't steal as much as 10 million dollars. Plus Clark gave it all back.

Lana on the other hand, supported Lex' level 33.1, she blackmailed a man, she stole 10 million dollars, she faked her own death, she dececrated a corpse, she forged her identity, she tortured Lionel, she willingly let Lex die, she locked Chloe in a cold wineceller, she commited adultery, she cowardly would have left Lex (whom at the time she did not suspect was doing anyting wrong, and of whom she knew loved her) at the altar by leaving him a cowardly Dear John letter, humiliating him in front of his friends and business associates, not to mention the press. She behaved in the same cowardly way towards Whitney while he was risking his life, she did not bother to come back home for Chloe and Gabe's funerals, etc. And for all these things, she never made amense. Not once.

Clark stole money. It doesn't matter how much and he did it for 3 months. Not a one time occurrence.

So if your going to call out Lana for stealing, you better have Clark next on your list.

Dee

10-11-2007, 11:06 PM

Stop the hating. Sorry there will NEVER be any Chlark on the show. I like Clana, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it'll play out.

jr23tw

10-11-2007, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Minela
Clark robbed banks. In his three months of red K indulgence he, I'm sure, didn't steal as much as 10 million dollars. Plus Clark gave it all back.
Are you sure about that? I wonder how he can give back a Ferrari he gave to a club doorman which he prior purchased by breaking ATM machines. I wonder how he did that one. Or how about the money he left in the clubs every night when he went out with a different chick.

And who knows what else he bought with money he robbed. Money that he simply couldn't get back.

Minela

10-11-2007, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Kid Collins
So if your going to call out Lana for stealing, you better have Clark next on your list.

Like it was already mentioned. Clark regretted his actions and made amens for it. He beat himself up over it. We are not making the argument that Lana should be perfect, nor that Clark must be (for now at least, he better become perfect if he wants to become Superman), but that for all of the numerous crimes she has commited, and for all the numerous hanious things she has done, not once has she payed for it, nor has she regreted doing tose things, nor has anybody called her out on it. She keeps doing bad things, without any repricausions. That is crap.

STFanatic

10-11-2007, 11:17 PM

How did Johnathon sell that "South 40" to pay back Lionel for the campaign contribution in only one day?
If you have ever sold land, it takes a Long long time.
Besides, Clark may have squeezed out a few diamonds to make up for it off screen the same as he paid back everything else off screen.

Be With You

10-11-2007, 11:38 PM

Guys, nobody can ask anybody to stop the hating. Its impossible, you might as well stop trying right now. This show would be nothing without all the haters vs all the people who fight for them.

I, personally, do not like Clana. I just do not like the people that Clark and Lana become when they are together. Plus, Lana whilst I do not hater her, really gets on my nerves. Its probably that whispery voice she puts on when shes trying to be angelic or sincere. See, I'm practically hating on her right now. But, I respect people who hate my favourite character Chloe because at least they have an oppinion and stick to it and some of them don't go around bashing every thread about her. I would actually get worried if Smallville DIDN'T have haters for certain characters.

Kid Collins, in what appears to be your argument with Milena :D you've failed to notice one thing REDEMPTION.

Clark stole, and he felt terrible for it. He gave all the money back. Plus, he was on Red Kryptonite and he (like Minela has said) wouldn't have stole as much as 10 million. On top of all that, it was from strangers. Lana in her situation just seems like the bitter ex-wife stealing from her own ex-husband. Which was before she left him so it actually WAS her husband.

Chloe, betrayed Clark to Lionel. Even then, she didn't give him anything that he really didn't have. In return, Lionel took her Planet column, got her father sacked, lost there home and so much more. She still feels terrible for it. Do you think Lana feels redemption for the things that she has done?? Of course not.

Plus, Lana is the biggest hippocrite (can't spell today) on this show. She constantly was on the Clana wagon with her "secret and lies" jargon. Now, when Clark is being totally honest with her she is keeping things from him. She is also giving KARA advice. Now tell me, would you accept the advice from a woman who ditched her marine boyfriend without telling him whilst he was fighting for his life, not tell your friend you were dating the boy that she was in love with, leave your boyfriend for his nemesis, get "pregnant" with Lex's child, is on board with 33.1, married Lex, stole 10 million dollars.. the list could go on. I sure as heck wouldn't. I'd rather take advice from egyptian man Jimmy.

STFanatic

10-11-2007, 11:54 PM

Off topic I know, but I have seen a lot of people say they have problems from time to time about Spelling.(Lord knows I do)
There is a great program I have found that works great on here.

It is called "ieSpell", it is found here: http://www.iespell.com/
Or just Google "Internet Explorer Spell Check".

Back on topic.
I understand how frustrating it is to see a Legend such as Superman being dragged through the mud as they have on Smallville, however it is better for the blood pressure for both sides of the fence to just take it with a grain of salt and accept that this is NOT the Superman from that legend, but another possible reality such as seen on one episode of Lois & Clark where the original Superman is lost in time and Lois with the help of H.G. Wells, finds other Clark who had never became Superman and enlists his aid to get the original back.

Oddly enough, that Clark never met Lois and is with a version of Lana who urged him to hide his powers and never became Superman.

Superbeard

10-12-2007, 12:23 AM

Whenever I barf into a bucket or something, just when I think I'm done, the smell of what I just barfed makes me barf some more.

Perfect. Analogy.

I'm going off this discussion group's title, by the way, just so you know that wasn't totally random.

ShelbyKent

10-12-2007, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by thehenry89
lana can give great advice. If you ever need to break the law and lie about it then give her a call.

Topics that Lana can give Kara advice on:

-Choosing the right sorority (a.k.a Hanging out with lesbian vampires)
-Embezzling
-Clone theft
-How to trap your best friend in a Wine Cellar
-Homicide via stone objects (Genevieve Teague)
-Framing your husband for your death
-How to rig explosives in your car
-How to keep a boyfriend and a "back-up" guy simultaneously
-Meteor trajectories
-How to pronounce "Secreths and Lieths" with feelings
-How to survive as a fugitive in Shanghai
-How to be possessed by your evil witch ancestress
-Male castration
-Healthy relationships, marriage and divorce
-How to marry bald psychopaths
-Marrying your ex-boyfriends mortal enemy

Am I missing something else? :lol: Am just trying to see humor in the situation ;)

STFanatic

10-12-2007, 12:59 AM

You forgot where to buy funky wigs ;)

velocity

10-12-2007, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Minela
She didn't mature. This wasn't Lana. They wrote this character so OOC, it is ridiculous. How am I supposed to believe the Lana from last season is the one sitting in the Kent kitchen baking apple pie? I can't.
Right, this wasn't Lana. :rolleyes:
I see it more as her being back, because all of season 6 was OOC.
So, you better believe - as we all were supposed to believe the Lana from last season.

STFanatic

10-12-2007, 01:06 AM

I still think that this is not the "real" Lana thus the OOC behavior.

CK&CK

10-12-2007, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by STFanatic
My toilet was stopped up with Clana, I almost had to call a plumber :eek:

This looks like a JOB for Superman..........oh hello Lana.....can Clark come out to play?........PLAY A FRICKIN' HERO for once! Part of me is glad that Bruce Wayne will never be on Smallville......but another part of me wishes that he would just show up already and Kick Clark's big behind.....(even without Powers, Bruce would figure out Bird Brain's green weakness, and own him). For now I'll have to wait for the future where Clark Kent/Superman gets owned by Batman. And the more I read these boards about tonight's episode....the more easy it is to picture this happening.

And I am laughing to no end as to how a good number of the Clanas either bring up somebody else's faults to make Lana look better, or simply try to reason their way out of Lana's behavior......in essence.....doing exactly what the writters do on this show.......and that's Lana almost NEVER HAVING TO ANSWER FOR WHATEVER SH*T SHE'S DONE. They're as transparent as the writters on Smallville.

velocity

10-12-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by STFanatic
I still think that this is not the "real" Lana thus the OOC behavior.
Well, everyone get's up on their high horse. But the fact is, you have no idea what it's like to have a man fake your pregnancy and misscarriage.
I am so sick of everyone pretending that they wouldn't seek revenge or try to harm Lex.

Your actions after a trauma like that doesn't define you as evil, Clark went nuts too after causing his mothers misscarriage.
Point is, everyone does some incredible stupid things out of sadness and anger.

Kreukie

10-12-2007, 02:00 AM

CK&CK

10-12-2007, 02:20 AM

jewfroboy

10-12-2007, 02:35 AM

this show has no future for her, or at least shouldnt

CK&CK

10-12-2007, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by jewfroboy
this show has no future for her, or at least shouldnt

She would if she were written better, but as it is.....I can see Miles trying to put the square block marked "Lana" into that round hole marked "Smallville". He'll make it fit no matter how stupid it makes either Lana or Clark look. Even if he has to jam it in with a sledge hammer. Then as people walk by.....most Lana fans will call the finished product a work of art......while most others will simply look at it and think "WTF?"

STFanatic

10-12-2007, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by velocity
Well, everyone get's up on their high horse. But the fact is, you have no idea what it's like to have a man fake your pregnancy and misscarriage.
I am so sick of everyone pretending that they wouldn't seek revenge or try to harm Lex.

Your actions after a trauma like that doesn't define you as evil, Clark went nuts too after causing his mothers misscarriage.
Point is, everyone does some incredible stupid things out of sadness and anger.

Whoa Woah....
What I said was that the Lana we saw tonight may not be the real Lana because she was not reacting as the real Lana would.
I know if I returned after a stressful time hiding out, and missing the hell out a loved one, I would do more than just walk meekly up to that person. Wouldn't you?

I am saying that the real Lana may be tied up somewhere by the Lana we saw tonight, and this person/possible clone is taking her place.
I did not say anything about her not being traumatized, on the contrary, the real Lana would be even more-so if this were the case.

And BTW, a father is also traumatized when a mis-carriage occurs, I know this for a fact, yes, the man does not have the physical mis-carriage, but he is also devastated by such a tragedy I can say this from experience, but this is not the place for me to go into such a personal subject.

I have said many times before: "I never knew what true love was until I looked upon my daughter's face for the first time, then, I knew."

And let me follow up with this.
Lana, Lex, Clark and all the rest of the gang are FICTIONAL characters in a fictional situation, this is not real, it is a story that has been told and retold for over 75 years, and will go on for possibly thousands of more years, it is nothing to get your blood pressure up about. Relax and enjoy it.

Timester

10-12-2007, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by velocity
I am so sick of everyone pretending that they wouldn't seek revenge or try to harm Lex.

The thing is Clark Kent is not everyone. He represents the opposite of you are implying. Clark should the first one to call Lana for her villainous acts. What, only Pete, Chloe and Lex can be called by Clark? BS.

Theshadow129x

10-12-2007, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Minela
How stupid to TPTB think we are anyway? Do they seriously think we'll forget all that Lana has done in the past just by bringing her back dressed in white, bathed in an angelic light in every scene, and have her say OOC understanding words to Clark? Is this the same woman who supported Lex on 33.1? Wasn't she the one to say, "we have to protect ourselves from them"?

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. She was drinking lemonade with Clark and made him an apple pie. So she must be a good girl, right? :rolleyes:

Awww, and she wants to grow old with Clark. :rolleyes: Isn't that romantic? :rolleyes: Is she gonna beg him now not to get involved in 'super' activities anymore? So that they can have a normal life? Awww. How cute. :rolleyes:

I guess they can do that, they have 10 million dollars they could live off of now. Perfect. :)

that was cute lol really i liked that. seriously that goes back to the ign.com review of season 6. they said that the lana lang character has become to convoluted that she was better off dying early in teh show or at the end of the season, due to the fact that tptb arent exactly sure how to handle the character. one minute she loves clark two episodes later she loves him again but she wants to move on and she does but she wants him back but then she doesnt because she loves lex and then she thinks being with lex is a mistake and wants clark but clark so no no no and she goes to lex to marry him only to regret her decision to settle so must be with clark but cant and then goes to fake her death

*barf*

STFanatic

10-12-2007, 03:30 AM

There is a reason they call Clark/Superman "The Boyscout", He is a really "Goody two shoes", he would help (and has) the most vile and disgusting slime ball in the galaxy if they were in danger.

CK&CK

10-12-2007, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by Timester
The thing is Clark Kent is not everyone. He represents the opposite of you are implying. Clark should the first one to call Lana for her villainous acts. What, only Pete, Chloe and Lex can be called by Clark? BS.

Forget it Timester.....they either don't get it, or they don't want to.

P.S. Good call on the ratings for last week......you went with last years pattern for guessing last weeks episode.....didn't you.....It's funny, but all of a sudden.....I think a certain someone is copying this technique of yours.......and I'll bet you can guess who. And by the way, I was thinking the same thing.....that it would pretty much follow last year. But you called it.....I didn't.......good job.

ClarksNextGF

10-12-2007, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by velocity
But the fact is, you have no idea what it's like to have a man fake your pregnancy and misscarriage.
Your actions after a trauma like that doesn't define you as evil, Clark went nuts too after causing his mothers misscarriage.
Point is, everyone does some incredible stupid things out of sadness and anger.

I gotta agree with the others on this one -> Lana was an evil b*tch BEFORE she moved in with Lex. The only difference is, she's better at it now - because she's learned a few things from the Luthors.

SteveS

10-12-2007, 06:22 AM

[i]Originally posted by Minela [/i

Lana on the other hand, supported Lex' level 33.1, she blackmailed a man, she stole 10 million dollars, she faked her own death, she dececrated a corpse, she forged her identity, she tortured Lionel, she willingly let Lex die, she locked Chloe in a cold wineceller, she commited adultery, she cowardly would have left Lex (whom at the time she did not suspect was doing anyting wrong, and of whom she knew loved her) at the altar by leaving him a cowardly Dear John letter, humiliating him in front of his friends and business associates, not to mention the press. She behaved in the same cowardly way towards Whitney while he was risking his life, she did not bother to come back home for Chloe and Gabe's funerals, etc. And for all these things, she never made amense. Not once. [/B]

If you are going to rant, you should at least try to be accurate. Lana did not 'dececrated' (desecrate) a corpse, a non living copy of her own body was destroyed and she did not commit adultery, at least not physically.

And lois was at her best in last night's episode.

ClarksNextGF

10-12-2007, 07:36 AM

Minela

10-12-2007, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by velocity
Right, this wasn't Lana. :rolleyes:
I see it more as her being back, because all of season 6 was OOC.
So, you better believe - as we all were supposed to believe the Lana from last season.

Last season Lana (when she loved Lex) was not OOC. She had been on a path to the dark side, ever since "Comencement". She was slowely turned into the woman who supported Lex on 33.1 because of everything she has gone through. Now, all of a sudden she is back to being the angelic girl who bakes apple pies and drinks lemonade in a idylic country setting? That is crap.

Originally posted by velocity
Well, everyone get's up on their high horse. But the fact is, you have no idea what it's like to have a man fake your pregnancy and misscarriage.
I am so sick of everyone pretending that they wouldn't seek revenge or try to harm Lex.

Your actions after a trauma like that doesn't define you as evil, Clark went nuts too after causing his mothers misscarriage.
Point is, everyone does some incredible stupid things out of sadness and anger.

Ok, for the 100th time I'm going to say this. Lana can do whatever he hell she wants to do. I don't care. Like I have said, she can kill puppies and steal rainbows. I don't give a ****. If I was her, Lex would feel my wrath 1000 over. Got it? But!!! Lana is not my hero. Clark is. He is being compromised by being around her. When around her, he turns into a moron. He compromises his morals because he can't see past his fantasy of her. That is my problem. Lana can do whatever she wants. I don't care.

kal-el_Girl

10-12-2007, 08:09 AM

look guys...
let clark and lana have a few months of sex and all that stuff, and then clark's fantasy will be over and THEN he's going to see the real whinny lana, so my conclusion SHE'S going to drive him away from smallville for good and fulfill his destiny.
the end ;)

Minela

10-12-2007, 08:41 AM

Lana on the other hand, supported Lex' level 33.1 - well, she did, then she didn't, then she did again. Whatever most suited her own interest at the time. But, she HAS always been against meteor freaks. okay, so we agree on that

she blackmailed a man, - yupe, she did - more than once. agreed
she stole 10 million dollars, - nope. She's married to Lex (and this was BEFORE her "accident"). So, half of everything he has is hers - and 10 million is not nearly half of what Lex owns. actually she stole money from Luthorcorp. It was very hypocritical bacause she acts all high and mighty that she is too good for Lex money, and throws it in his face when he offers it to her, but she is not too good to steal it, and don't tell me one needs 10 million dollars ot get away. Maybe if you are Paris Hilton.
she faked her own death, - yupe. agreed
she dececrated a corpse, - I don't remember Lana ever touching a corpse - when did that happen? her clone corps. I know it is a clone, but it was still a corps, and that is a crime.
she forged her identity, - yupe, she did that. agreed Although, in her defense - she had reason to fear for her life, so this one is kinda of a small issue.
she tortured Lionel, - yupe. But, Lionel tortured her first, and threaten to kill Clark, so that one's kinda justified too. When did Lionel torture her? Besides two wrongs don't make a right.
she willingly let Lex die, - When did Lex die??? He didn't because luckily he was saved by the hero of the story, who would never let anybody die, no matter who they are, which is what makes him the greatest hero of all. But Lana just sat and waited to hear the news of Lex' death, although she could have said something to the authorities since she had information on how to help him
she locked Chloe in a cold wineceller, - yupe, she did that. But, she was standing right outside the door to make sure Chloe got out okay - so really, that was more like a practical joke. well, okay
she commited adultery, - when?? She did kiss Clark, but that's not adultery. From what I understand, kissing a guy who is not your husband, is cheating.
she cowardly would have left Lex (whom at the time she did not suspect was doing anyting wrong, and of whom she knew loved her) at the altar by leaving him a cowardly Dear John letter, humiliating him in front of his friends and business associates, not to mention the press. -NO. Lex drugged her, and lied to convince her that she was pregnant - how is that NOT doing anything wrong. No one in their right mind would have married that man. I think humiliating him is a small revenge for him causing physical and emotional damage to her. first of all, at the time of the wedding day, Lana had no idea about any of the things Lex did. For all she knew, she was leaving a man on the altar whos child she was carrying, and who loved her, and who had opened his home to her, who had sent her on expensive trips, and bought all the clothes on her back. She did not even bother to tell him in person she could not marry him. That was cowardly, and cruel. She would have let him wait in front of all of his friends, his colegues and the press. She did not know what she knows now about him, she acted viciously. All she cared about was kissing Clark and getting away from Lex to be with Clark, although she thought she was pregnant with Lex

She behaved in the same cowardly way towards Whitney while he was risking his life, - umm.. what? Are you forgetting the 'Dear John' video she sent him to break up with him? While he was risking his life in another country? This is a Lana pattern, very cowardly. When she was dating Clark she didn't even bother to tell him she was going away for college, until he confronted her.

she did not bother to come back home for Chloe and Gabe's funerals, etc. - that's true - however, I don't "bother" is the right word. She was in Paris - do you have any idea the logistics and cost involved in going from Paris to Kansas to Paris. Not to mention the fact that she was in school at the time? I am very well aware of what it takes to come back from Paris to Kansas. About 10 hour flight, and about $400-$1500, depending on the time of year. If you ask me, not a very high price to pay for going to the funeral of your best friend and the man who opened his house to you for two years. Not to mention, she accused those same people of not treating her like she belonged and left for Paris like her feelings were hurt. Ungreatful.

And for all these things, she never made amense. Not once. - she has offered feeble apologies for some of the things. That is as much as we can expect from her, last night she didn't even apologize to Clark for everything, she just wanted to push all the bad things under the rug and start over. You can't build a house on a graveyard, IMO but I guess she doesn't think that far. Oh, and BTW, she still hasn't told her best friend that she is back from the dead, even though she should know that that friend has been bawling her eyes out because of her. That is cold hearted, if nothing.

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
look guys...
let clark and lana have a few months of sex and all that stuff, and then clark's fantasy will be over and THEN he's going to see the real whinny lana, so my conclusion SHE'S going to drive him away from smallville for good and fulfill his destiny.
the end ;)

That would be the most horrible thing that could happen to Superman. Superman, the greatest hero of all should not be made to leave Smallville by this girl. He should become Superman because he wants to, because he can't not becoe Superman, because it is his destiny. Not because Lana Luthor drives him to it.

meteor_phreak

10-12-2007, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Clana4Life
I think so, too. She was like "Kara's from Minnesota." When she's loyal, she's loyal. The Lana we saw in Fierce is the Lana that we've seen during the past six season with the exception of a few episodes from last season. It should mentioned though that Lana was very hurt by Clark. Remember he told her he didn't love her. WOW...i don't know where to start...

CDLBLUE

10-12-2007, 07:07 PM

Lana has an agenda of her own, that's what she needed the 10 million dollars for. Why did she come back to Smallville ? For her High School "crush", everyone has advanced beyond the teen-age infatuation phase, she (Lana) has seen how the real world works from the Luthor mansion, after what both Lex and Lionel have put here through, she wants payback, and if she can manipulative Clark into helping her, well so much the better, that will be the arc of season 7, playing the role of the bucolic innocent was just the opening gambit of what is going to be an elaborate cat and mouse game between her and Lex.

chantal

10-12-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by ClarksNextGF
Now, I still Lana is evil - but, I agree with SteveS - if your going to rant, you should at least be accurate.

There are so many perfectly good reasons to hate Lana, we don't need to invent any. :D

she stole 10 million dollars, - nope. She's married to Lex (and this was BEFORE her "accident"). So, half of everything he has is hers - and 10 million is not nearly half of what Lex owns.

Under community property laws, she would get half of what was acquired during the marriage, not half of everything he owns.

Which is not relevent. Kansas is not a community property state. So it would come down to what a judge awarded her.

CLanaF23

10-12-2007, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by CDLBLUE
Lana has an agenda of her own, that's what she needed the 10 million dollars for. Why did she come back to Smallville ? For her High School "crush", everyone has advanced beyond the teen-age infatuation phase, she (Lana) has seen how the real world works from the Luthor mansion, after what both Lex and Lionel have put here through, she wants payback, and if she can manipulative Clark into helping her, well so much the better, that will be the arc of season 7, playing the role of the bucolic innocent was just the opening gambit of what is going to be an elaborate cat and mouse game between her and Lex.

umm NO!! soo not true...i cant even get into thats how wrong it is.

Minela

10-12-2007, 09:59 PM

This is what I hope happens, but it never will:

Lana realizes the error of her ways and finally sees the love that could be hers; Lex. Lex who can actually give her da sex. Cuz, Lex is da Sex. :D Clark won't do it. He is too scared. Plus those two had zero chemistry last night. Her and my boy Lex, however...it sizzled. Mmmmhmmm...

CLanaF23

10-12-2007, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Minela
I know you said you are young and not familiar with Superman mythology. So let me enlighten you. Lana Lang is not even a chapter in the life of Clark Kent, she is a footnote.

This is laughable. Clark loves Lana because he is blinded by his own fear of being alone. He doesn't even know who Lana is anymore. He is so willing to put the past behind him and sweep every bad thing under the rug so he can have his illusion with Lana. But once that house comes crashing down on him, it won't be pretty.

when did i saw i was young and not familiar with Superman mythology? i never did...soo WOW. Stop hatin on Lana...thanks. :)

Serynarpc

10-13-2007, 01:07 AM

Lana is the Perfect Pink Princess. She is perfection personified.

She gives me cavities!

Did no one else think it was rather mean to tell Clark that Chloe couldn't know that Lana was back- meaning Lana essentially ensured that Clark won't be inviting Chloe to the farm or confiding in her.

Lana fears competition or is just being a *****? I can't decide.

Personally, I hope her trampy ways stop. It was mentioned in the Michael interview here: http://blogs.trb.com/network/cwsource/2007/05/you_asked_michael_rosenbaum_an_1.html

That it was brought up on a Lexana question makes you realize Lana has never been a saint or a virtuous wife.

pizzaguy19

10-13-2007, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by thehenry89
I equate the whole Clana relationship with a nature program. Notice that when you watch a pack of lionesses take down a water buffalo, the beast puts up a massive struggle, this is much like the passion of the earlier six Clana make ups and break ups. But as the beast loses energy, and the lion's become more tenacious all the buffalo can do is thrash its head from side to side, in a vain attempt to avoid that final death blow. I belive that's what we are seeing right now.

i lol'ed irl. good one.

Originally posted by Serynarpc

Did no one else think it was rather mean to tell Clark that Chloe couldn't know that Lana was back- meaning Lana essentially ensured that Clark won't be inviting Chloe to the farm or confiding in her.

Lana fears competition or is just being a *****? I can't decide.

yea seriously, Chloe cried her eyes out when Lana "died", they're written (i think it's silly, but w/e) as best friends, Clark and Chloe are best friends too, it's just ***chy to do this to Clark and Chloe.

Theshadow129x

10-13-2007, 04:02 AM

lol even MR said lana is a tramp thats great!

Originally posted by thehenry89
I equate the whole Clana relationship with a nature program. Notice that when you watch a pack of lionesses take down a water buffalo, the beast puts up a massive struggle, this is much like the passion of the earlier six Clana make ups and break ups. But as the beast loses energy, and the lion's become more tenacious all the buffalo can do is thrash its head from side to side, in a vain attempt to avoid that final death blow. I belive that's what we are seeing right now.

so true hahahaha

velocity

10-13-2007, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Minela
Lana on the other hand, supported Lex' level 33.1 - well, she did, then she didn't, then she did again. Whatever most suited her own interest at the time. But, she HAS always been against meteor freaks. okay, so we agree on that

she blackmailed a man, - yupe, she did - more than once. agreed
she stole 10 million dollars, - nope. She's married to Lex (and this was BEFORE her "accident"). So, half of everything he has is hers - and 10 million is not nearly half of what Lex owns. actually she stole money from Luthorcorp. It was very hypocritical bacause she acts all high and mighty that she is too good for Lex money, and throws it in his face when he offers it to her, but she is not too good to steal it, and don't tell me one needs 10 million dollars ot get away. Maybe if you are Paris Hilton.
she faked her own death, - yupe. agreed
she dececrated a corpse, - I don't remember Lana ever touching a corpse - when did that happen? her clone corps. I know it is a clone, but it was still a corps, and that is a crime.
she forged her identity, - yupe, she did that. agreed Although, in her defense - she had reason to fear for her life, so this one is kinda of a small issue.
she tortured Lionel, - yupe. But, Lionel tortured her first, and threaten to kill Clark, so that one's kinda justified too. When did Lionel torture her? Besides two wrongs don't make a right.
she willingly let Lex die, - When did Lex die??? He didn't because luckily he was saved by the hero of the story, who would never let anybody die, no matter who they are, which is what makes him the greatest hero of all. But Lana just sat and waited to hear the news of Lex' death, although she could have said something to the authorities since she had information on how to help him
she locked Chloe in a cold wineceller, - yupe, she did that. But, she was standing right outside the door to make sure Chloe got out okay - so really, that was more like a practical joke. well, okay
she commited adultery, - when?? She did kiss Clark, but that's not adultery. From what I understand, kissing a guy who is not your husband, is cheating.
she cowardly would have left Lex (whom at the time she did not suspect was doing anyting wrong, and of whom she knew loved her) at the altar by leaving him a cowardly Dear John letter, humiliating him in front of his friends and business associates, not to mention the press. -NO. Lex drugged her, and lied to convince her that she was pregnant - how is that NOT doing anything wrong. No one in their right mind would have married that man. I think humiliating him is a small revenge for him causing physical and emotional damage to her. first of all, at the time of the wedding day, Lana had no idea about any of the things Lex did. For all she knew, she was leaving a man on the altar whos child she was carrying, and who loved her, and who had opened his home to her, who had sent her on expensive trips, and bought all the clothes on her back. She did not even bother to tell him in person she could not marry him. That was cowardly, and cruel. She would have let him wait in front of all of his friends, his colegues and the press. She did not know what she knows now about him, she acted viciously. All she cared about was kissing Clark and getting away from Lex to be with Clark, although she thought she was pregnant with Lex

She behaved in the same cowardly way towards Whitney while he was risking his life, - umm.. what? Are you forgetting the 'Dear John' video she sent him to break up with him? While he was risking his life in another country? This is a Lana pattern, very cowardly. When she was dating Clark she didn't even bother to tell him she was going away for college, until he confronted her.

she did not bother to come back home for Chloe and Gabe's funerals, etc. - that's true - however, I don't "bother" is the right word. She was in Paris - do you have any idea the logistics and cost involved in going from Paris to Kansas to Paris. Not to mention the fact that she was in school at the time? I am very well aware of what it takes to come back from Paris to Kansas. About 10 hour flight, and about $400-$1500, depending on the time of year. If you ask me, not a very high price to pay for going to the funeral of your best friend and the man who opened his house to you for two years. Not to mention, she accused those same people of not treating her like she belonged and left for Paris like her feelings were hurt. Ungreatful.

And for all these things, she never made amense. Not once. - she has offered feeble apologies for some of the things. That is as much as we can expect from her, last night she didn't even apologize to Clark for everything, she just wanted to push all the bad things under the rug and start over. You can't build a house on a graveyard, IMO but I guess she doesn't think that far. Oh, and BTW, she still hasn't told her best friend that she is back from the dead, even though she should know that that friend has been bawling her eyes out because of her. That is cold hearted, if nothing.

That would be the most horrible thing that could happen to Superman. Superman, the greatest hero of all should not be made to leave Smallville by this girl. He should become Superman because he wants to, because he can't not becoe Superman, because it is his destiny. Not because Lana Luthor drives him to it.

Minela, i see it more as you being the saint here - given that you have a moral outburst regarding every she does. You also forget to mention alot of things that explains the blackmail in Arrow for example - she did that to prevent Lionel form getting his hands on the black box - she put on an act. Just like Clark did in Combat, so that he could get into the ring and prevent Titan from killing anymore people.

smallvillefreak24

10-13-2007, 09:21 AM

Ya know if they want to make her look angelic they shouldn't put her in white they should put her back in pink and baby blue they stopped after s3

CDLBLUE

10-13-2007, 01:30 PM

If I had been Clark, I would have told her to go work a corner in the red light district in Metropolis.

Clarks Blue Eyed Angel

10-13-2007, 03:13 PM

And lois was at her best in last night's episode.

Wordy McWord.

In other news... Lana has long been a hinderence in Clark's journey toward fulfilling his destiny as Superman. Whenever she's in the picture, he becomes whiny, selfish, and obsessed. Go back to season 2 and see Clark get all mopey when Whitney (Tina) retuned from Afghaniraqistan (or wherever). Whitney was MIA and possibly dead, but he shows up and Lana runs back to him and Clark turns into SuperMope, all "Awww, why couldn't he have stayed missing so I could have a shot with Lana?" Does that seem like the behavior of a future Superman? I was appalled.

Not much more breath I'm gonna waste on this subject... I posted in this board for years and saw how futile it was. There will always be some preteen clana fan who will fire back repeatedly with "dont b hatin, lana iz dope, yo, she da bomb and yallz just jealous! clana 4evahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I can do without that headache, thanks.

Minela

10-13-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by velocity
Minela, i see it more as you being the saint here - given that you have a moral outburst regarding every she does. You also forget to mention alot of things that explains the blackmail in Arrow for example - she did that to prevent Lionel form getting his hands on the black box - she put on an act. Just like Clark did in Combat, so that he could get into the ring and prevent Titan from killing anymore people.

No. Lana didn't preted to blackmail that guy, she blackmailed him. For Lex. Simple. But she didn't know that Lex and Lionel put the scheme together to test her loyalty. She blackmailed the guy to help Lex. Simple as that.

Clark pretended to be somebody else to defeat Titan. I don't see even the slightest resemblence in these two examples.

And I am not a saint, and neither do I care if or if not Lana is one. I only care how she reflects on Clark, and what Clark is taking from all of this. She is a horrible influence in his life.

SecretzNLyz15

10-13-2007, 03:25 PM

Clark is the only one holding Clark back. It's his decision to go to training or stay in Smallville, NOT Lana's.

Jules26

10-14-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
Well she's also performed full castration on half the male population in Smallville. :rotfl:

operadiva

10-14-2007, 04:03 PM

I rise a glass to the madness called Clana..Now when i have to go to the bathroom i say.. i have to go and Clana..It evokes or rather provokes me into wanting to rescue Clark from himself...He has truly regressed...Who said Lana protecting Clark has exiled there brain away..Lana protecting kara and Clark?..Can i say What?..You made me have a belly laugh..Thank you..

Honey45

10-14-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Serynarpc
Did no one else think it was rather mean to tell Clark that Chloe couldn't know that Lana was back- meaning Lana essentially ensured that Clark won't be inviting Chloe to the farm or confiding in her.

Lana fears competition or is just being a *****? I can't decide.

I don't think Lana did that to be mean. She's Chloe's friend, and it's obvious Clark would never leave Lana for Chloe.
There's obviously some reason that Lana knows (and maybe we don't) that Chloe can't know about her being alive and in Smallville. You saw how pissed Lex was when he thought Lana might have told Chloe something. Who knows what he would do to Chloe if she actually knew something about Lana that Lex wanted.

It just seems like Lana's protecting Chloe (and anyone Chloe might tell).
Lana knows Clark is still going to talk to Chloe, hang out with her, and confide other things in her. There's no evidence here that Lana is keeping it from Chloe to be mean.

ClarksNextGF

10-14-2007, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by chantal
Under community property laws, she would get half of what was acquired during the marriage, not half of everything he owns.

Which is not relevent. Kansas is not a community property state. So it would come down to what a judge awarded her.

You are refering to a divorce settlement. They were married at the time - therefore, there are no community property laws or judges involved.

When you stand up at the alter and say "I do", you are legally giving half of everything you own to the person standing in front of you - in every state. For as long as you are married.

kryptonaidxh

10-14-2007, 07:52 PM

:rolleyes: maybe the fool lana made crazy the producers, she mades the men crazy and mad.
I´mreally sick of her, I don´t know why the hell did they bring her back., butit´s not strange, she already slept with a farm boy, a bad millonaire guy, maybe she sleeps with AL Gough and Miles to still being in Smallville.:lol: :p :lol: , we know it´s the only thing she´s good at.:lol: :lol: :p

chantal

10-15-2007, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by ClarksNextGF
You are refering to a divorce settlement. They were married at the time - therefore, there are no community property laws or judges involved.

When you stand up at the alter and say "I do", you are legally giving half of everything you own to the person standing in front of you - in every state. For as long as you are married.

Um, don't think so!

"The property that each spouse brings into the marriage, that is, the property that s/he owned before the marriage, is considered to be "separate" or "non-marital" property. For the property to remain separate, the spouse must keep it apart from marital or community property; that is, s/he would keep it entirely in his/her name."

v3rlon

10-15-2007, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by fxrsteve
Well, Clark is not the sharpest knife in the drawer

Heck, if he takes Lana back, he's not the sharpest SPOON in the drawer.

DarkseidNow

10-15-2007, 02:24 AM

When Clark said "Nothing could ever change how I feel about you," to Lana in the end when they are walking around in the festival, I was like 'YES WE KNOW!'

Clark's 'love' for Lana seems to have not changed since the show started. How is that healthy at all?

I swear, Lana could have run over a litter of baby kittens on purpose with an evil grin on her face and Clark would still be as in love with her as he was in Season 1.

Whoever said that Clark is holding back Clark is dead on. Yeah, I really don't care for Lana's character at all and I hate how the Goughlar make every other character believe that she can shoot sunshine out of her ass, but Clark is the idiot who keeps coming back for more.

Vala

10-15-2007, 03:37 AM

You are all love Lana, you are just in denial.
You talk about her so much...She is important to you ;)

I LOVE LANA, so glad she is in season 7, next to clark at last and that Clark is HAPPY!

Spaniard

10-15-2007, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by DarkseidNow
When Clark said "Nothing could ever change how I feel about you," to Lana in the end when they are walking around in the festival, I was like 'YES WE KNOW!'

Clark's 'love' for Lana seems to have not changed since the show started. How is that healthy at all?

That's so true. But remember that this guy said that he was in love with Lana since he was 7!!!. How could you be in love at 7, and with a girl who doesn't even talk to you? That's all you need to know to see what kind of relationship Clana is, at least from Clark's side.

aXem

10-15-2007, 08:56 AM

has there ever been a lana scene that someone here didn't hate?

Honey45

10-15-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by chantal
Um, don't think so!

"The property that each spouse brings into the marriage, that is, the property that s/he owned before the marriage, is considered to be "separate" or "non-marital" property. For the property to remain separate, the spouse must keep it apart from marital or community property; that is, s/he would keep it entirely in his/her name."

How long were they married?
It's possible that Lex made $20 million in that time (and half would be the $10 million Lana stole).

Not saying that made it right for her to steal it, but it's possible she would have gotten that if they were to divorce.

STFanatic

10-15-2007, 09:19 AM

Since he was being wimpy, he would have given her what she wanted.

chantal

10-17-2007, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
How long were they married?
It's possible that Lex made $20 million in that time (and half would be the $10 million Lana stole).

Not saying that made it right for her to steal it, but it's possible she would have gotten that if they were to divorce.

But Kansas isn't a community property state. Lana would get what she and Lex agreed on, or if they couldn't agree, what a judge considered fair. If the judge believed the doctor who thought Lana faked the pregnancy to trap a billionaire, Lana might end up owing Lex money, not even counting the 10 million!

Sweetie

10-18-2007, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Darth Pipes
Got to love how Lana says she committed a terrible crime and Clark doesn't even question her about it. I would want to know if my "significant other" had done something terribly wrong.

I agree.He didn't even ask how in the world she still alive?Where did she go all this time?If she thought that she was in danger why did she come back?Why?why?and Why???Some many questions unanwered.Stupid Clark!!!

By the way,Lana giving advices?You got to be kidding.How old is she?19 or 20 maybe...You guys are killing me :rolleyes:

velocity

10-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Minela
No. Lana didn't preted to blackmail that guy, she blackmailed him. For Lex. Simple. But she didn't know that Lex and Lionel put the scheme together to test her loyalty. She blackmailed the guy to help Lex. Simple as that.

Clark pretended to be somebody else to defeat Titan. I don't see even the slightest resemblence in these two examples.

No, she did not. She put on an act, it was obvious - they focused the camera on her face as she took a deep breath.
Besides, it was all empty threats. Even if she actually could make his life take an "unfortunate turn", she wouldn't do that to an innocent man.

You don't see the slightest resemblence? IMO, it's exactly the same situation. However i can definitely admit that Clark had a better reason.

And I am not a saint, and neither do I care if or if not Lana is one. I only care how she reflects on Clark, and what Clark is taking from all of this. She is a horrible influence in his life.
So your endless hate for Lana is because of Clark? How righteous of you. ;)

No really, i don't agree - but i can respect that. It is all about how we interperate the characters.

Originally posted by kryptonaidxh
:rolleyes: maybe the fool lana made crazy the producers, she mades the men crazy and mad.
I´mreally sick of her, I don´t know why the hell did they bring her back., butit´s not strange, she already slept with a farm boy, a bad millonaire guy, maybe she sleeps with AL Gough and Miles to still being in Smallville. :lol: :p :lol: , we know it´s the only thing she´s good at. :lol: :lol: :p
:rotfl:

I cannot believe that you are an adult.

SaberBlade

10-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Personally I was happy when I saw Lana die, however I also happy when she died back in "Reckoning" and they had to go screw us all over by getting rid of Jonathan Kent. Seriously, how many more times are they going to get us excited by thinking she's dead? My Girlfriend couldn't believe my reaction when I finally saw Lana die, hopefully for real.

:( For shame on the producers for toying with us.

However I have to agree with the original poster that's enough to make you barf. She does all these dark deeds that Clark has no idea about, then she returns and pretends to be the little princess all over again. They should kill her and make us all happy.

Serynarpc

10-19-2007, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, no we haven't (no matter how many times Lana fans bring it up to justify it). But a few little facts here...he was 16 years old. He gave back the money. He did blame himself, and never went with the old chestnut of blaming someone else for his actions. And since then, he's never willingly gone near Red K again, and he's saved about a million lives. So, ya know, I really do believe he's made amends in the very best way he can.

Lana going to give back the money? We'll see. Is Lana going to accept all blame, and not make up a lame excuse? LOL, never going to happen. Is Lana going to spend the next years of her life helping and saving people? :lol: :lol:

Yeah, didn't think so.

Lana's gonna use all that money to clad that tiny butt of hers in all that designer clothes she's sporting around the cash- strapped Kent Farm. Classy.

Lame excuse is Lana- logic.

Saving people? Well, she's helping some doctors fund their kids college educations from all the times she gets hurt/kidnapped/ a stalker that lands her in a hospital.

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Well Clark being 16 years old means nothing because according to some, Clark is SPECIAL and should be ABOVE normal human behavior. He's not suppose to break the law at all. He's Kryptonian and he's above all that.

And the fact that he regrets what he did and saves lives now doesn't negate the fact that he robbed banks for 3 months in Metropolis.

Clark made amends, yes, so why can't Lana?

She'll be protecting Clark. She already tried to cover for Kara to Lex.

Don't count out Lana yet. I think it'll be her best season yet!! [/B]

Sure, she can make amends. When she sets up a charity for all the 33.1 people she patted Lex on the back for terrorizing, I'll start caring about her amends.

*edited in*

For cripes sake, her best friend and Maid of Honor was Lex's plaything in his lab and she goes all 'Money is power' & 'we need to be protected from them'.
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Well it's the cheesy beauty contest complete with 3 ANTM Freaks who couldn't act that put me to sleep.

Clark stole money. It doesn't matter how much and he did it for 3 months. Not a one time occurrence.

So if your going to call out Lana for stealing, you better have Clark next on your list.

No ones denying that Red K Clark is depraved in the moral area. He stole. Committed aggravated assault and was an overall bad guy. Then he crushed the ring to keep from killing his father.

Whats Lana's excuse?:rolleyes:

CDLBLUE

10-19-2007, 05:24 PM

Lana has no excuse, except that the Luthor's have finally driven her over to the dark side, ever since season 4, Lana has been on the path of moral deterioration, that Clark has only occasionally stopped, from witch, to vampire, to whore, now to liar and thief, and judging from the surveillance cameras she has set up on Lex, she has something even more nefarious in mind, it will be up to Clark to save her, (both body and soul), one more time, the entire series has been building to this climax. From the beginning it was a battle between Clark and Lex for Lana, ( why these two titans would want to fight it out over the town tramp is difficult to fathom ), but Clark will have to do something to pull Lana back from the abyss that she is so precipitate to.