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Tobywolf13
10-11-2007, 05:30 PM
Set during Fierce but includes spoilers from up to Action, I believe...

Conv ersations with Honest People
Clark had never been happier in his entire life. The night he came home after facing off with Fine in the fortress to find his mother alive and well, that afternoon a few weeks a go in the morgue when Chloe had woken up shouting for him, even the moment when he finally heard his birth name. All of these moments paled in comparison to how overwhelmingly happy he was in this moment. Lana was alive. She was alive and she was sitting on his sofa, telling him about how she’d been working so hard and selflessly to protect him.

It warmed something inside of him that he had no words for.

“Lana,” He said, taking her hands in his own. “Chloe’s going to be so happy to know you’re alive. We all are.”

Lana frowned and looked down at her lap and Clark was confused by her dour turn of mood. “She can’t know.”

“What?”

Lana stood up and started to pace. “Chloe can’t know I’m back yet and neither can Lois.”

“But they went to your funeral. They cried about it and everything. You should have seen how upset Chloe was when she heard the news.” He was growing more confused by the minute. Chloe and Lana were like sisters. He couldn’t imagine the girl he loved not wanting to relieve her “sister’s” pain.

“Look, Clark,” Lana said, twisting the ring on her left finger. “I committed a serious crime when I faked my death.”

He nodded. “I know. I get it. It was fraud and that’s bad and everything, but we can fix that. Maybe if you come out and then go to the police and explain how afraid for your life you were from Lex, they’ll understand. I mean, they had enough to hold him without bail. It’s obvious you felt like you had no choice.”

Lana frowned and kept up her frantic pace. “I know they had that phone conversation with Lex hitting me and threatening me because I’m the source that snuck it off to them.”

He felt his jaw drop. That didn’t make any sense. Getting their fight to the police didn’t have anything to do with her escaping from Lex’s grasp. But it did have everything to do with… “You set him up, didn’t you?”

“Well I didn’t want him to hit me. I was just trying to rile him up enough to threaten to kill me.” She said rubbing her cheek and blinking her wide, luminous eyes at him.

Clark swallowed. She did look so upset, and he hated to see her in pain. Maybe he did need to hear her out on all of this after all. “Lana,” he said, his voice quiet and steady, “What exactly did you do? I need to know everything if I’m going to help you.”

She nodded and sat back down on the couch next to him. “I baited him in his office where I knew our conversation would be on tape and then I had it delivered anonymously to the police by a source I hired. I wanted to frame Lex for it. He’s an evil man, Clark. He hurts people all the time and he hurt me.”

He nodded, thinking about Bart, A.C., Victor and the people suffering in 33.1, thinking most especially about the Sullivans. “He does do that. How did he hurt you, though? I knew you didn’t love him, but Lionel threatened you into the marriage to help with the spying effort. I thought Lex loved you and the baby.”

Her lips curled back in a snarl. “There never was a baby. He was pumping me full of hormones the entire time to trick me into marrying him. He violated me.”

Clark felt that simple flash of hate again but fought it back. He’d almost killed Lex and Lionel a few weeks ago just from listening to Lana ahead of reason. If he’d succeeded in killing Lionel, he’d have eliminated his…Jor-El’s oracle. Besides, he didn’t want to kill anyone. Hate might be clean but living with those kind of consequences, knowing how badly he failed his parents by doing that, well that was filthy. “Lana, how do you know?”

“After the meteor freak hit me and I was getting a check-up, the doctor made a snide comment about me dosing myself with hormones in order to bag myself a billionaire. He implied I was nothing more than a gold digger!”

“But did you ever have any proof that Lex was the one who did it? I mean, Lex does experiment on people. We both know about 33.1 by now, but this seems even a little beyond him. Is it possible that Lionel did it? A baby would have made you even more willing to accept Lex’s proposal and to marry him. Lionel really wanted his spy and he wanted her very badly. He would have done anything to get you by Lex’s side.”

Lana shook her head. “I know Lex did it.”

“Do you have proof? One evil billionaire with limitless resources and shady doctors could have faked it just as well as his son.”

“You’re not listening, Clark. I thought Lex hurt me and I needed to get away from him so I framed him.”

Clark scooted just an inch or two back from her. Despite his super hearing, he was having a hard time following her end of the conversation. “I thought you just faked your death.”

“No, I framed him. The whole taped conversation was a part of that and so was the dead body.”

Clark nodded thoughtfully. “I was going to ask. I did ask, in fact, but you brushed it off. How could the police have identified a body AND had DNA samples if you escaped? It doesn’t make any sense.”

“It wasn’t me. Lex cloned me and was holding the clone at Reeve’s Damn with all those weird soldiers of his. I broke into the facility and stole the clone back and then rigged my car to explode with it in it and with Lionel watching so I’d have a witness.”

Now Clark was getting that familiar vertigo he always did when talking to Chloe in her exposition mode. “Wait, you knew about Lex’s army? More than just the vague Ares stuff you gave me?”

She nodded. “After that stuff with Ares, I listened even harder and followed him to Reeve’s. I found a whole cloned army and, for lack of a better word, myself.”

“How long did you know?”

“What?” She asked, blinking in confusion.

“It was several weeks between that super soldier Ares fiasco and your ‘death.’”

“So?”

“So you somehow were able to sneak into Lex’s lab without getting caught and come face to face with proof of illicit human cloning. In fact, you were even able to steal back your own clone.”

“And so?”

“Lana,” he continued, “Do you know what you could have done?”

“What?”

“You could have gone to Lionel or to the cops with your proof of what Lex was doing. If you showed up with your own clone in tow, they’d have to have believed you. Hell, you know Chloe and Lois both have vendettas against Lex and are both working for two of the biggest papers in the country. You could have gone to them. With that story splashed across the front page, Lex would have gone to jail forever for his crimes against humanity.”

“I guess.”

“You guess? Chloe, the Green Arrow, and I have been working for months to get any solid evidence against Lex and you had the Holy Grail and you blew it up. Why would you do that?”

“I told you. Lex hurt me first so I wanted to frame him.”

“You think Lex hurt you first.”

She crossed her arms over her chest. “Since when are you a member of the Lex Luthor fan club?”

“I’m not, but I am a believer in truth and justice and in America you don’t take the law into your own hands and you have to have proof. That’s how the rules work.”

“I don’t need to follow the rules. I’m better than that.”

“None of us are better than that.”

She tilted her head at him quizzically. “You are.”

“No, I’m really not. My powers mean I have a lot more strictures on what I can do than anybody. Just because I could kill someone doesn’t mean I’d ever do it and I have to be extremely careful not to get tempted because it would be so easy.” He blushed at that last part and looked away, ashamed for trying to murder Lionel and Lex in the space of the same day.

Now that he thought about it, he really didn’t think much at all when Lana was concerned. Or act that much like a hero for that matter.

“I still can’t believe you framed Lex. I mean, Lana, murder is a capital crime. Don’t get me wrong. Lex has committed tons of crimes he should go to jail for, but he didn’t deserve to die for murdering you when you were up walking and talking.”

“He wasn’t ever going to go to jail for good or get the death penalty and we know that. Luthors always snake their way out of things.”

“Yeah, they do.” Clark said, his tone hardening as he remembered that Lana was still technically married to Lex and still very much a Luthor.

Oblivious to his insinuations, Lana continued. “Besides, that wasn’t my plan. I was waiting for him to follow me to Shanghai so I could kill him myself. You can’t prosecute a dead person after all.” Shocked beyond belief at her admission, Clark stood up from the couch. He was so keyed up that he slipped accidentally into superspeed and was standing by the television set before Lana could blink. She gave a little yelp when her eyes finally caught up with him. “Jesus, Clark, you gave me a heart attack.”

“You were going to kill Lex?”

“I didn’t actually do it. Lex came to China, we talked, I backed down, and he let me come back to Smallville so I could start over with you.”

Twenty minutes ago that sentence without the rest of the context would have made him blissfully happy, but now it mostly made him sick. “You were going to kill somebody.”

“Lex.” Lana hissed. “He’s a bad man. Besides, I know you were going to kill Lionel for me, probably should have, but I couldn’t give you enough of a push.”

Clark’s mouth hang open. “Lionel did everything wrong, but his motives were in the right place. He was trying to help us both and without you being in the right place, without you knowing about Ares, Lois would be dead right now, so, in a way, he was right. It doesn’t excuse what he did, but he’s an ally…or was. No one’s sure where he is now.”
“Oh, I do. He’s in a cabin in the Smallville woods by Reeve’s Dam being tortured by one of my assistants.”

If Lana had come back fluent in Chinese, Clark wouldn’t have been more shocked. “Are you kidding me?”

Lana, frustrated by his own anger, stood up and stalked over to him. “What’s your problem?”

“I repeat: Are you kidding me? Lionel---as much as I hate that it’s true, believe me I do---is both my mother’s friend and an ally. I need him. Besides, you can’t torture people any more than you can frame them for murder to try to shoot them or commit fraud or any of this. It’s all very wrong.”

“How’s it different? Lionel hurt me too and I would have had my revenge on him, if you’d just gone ahead and killed him. What’s the bonus in having a superpowered boyfriend if he doesn’t do things for you.”

“I was wrong. I was so wrong. I let me anger get the better of me and that never should have happened, but are you even listening to yourself. Just because people hurt you, doesn’t mean you can commit crimes and get them back. You just can’t. It’s not right. That’s how Lex thinks.”

“I’m nothing like Lex.” She gritted out through clenched teeth.

Actually, Clark was beginning to realize she was worse. Lex was forming an army to take down his enemies, at least it was leading to a direct confrontation. Lana was skulking and sneaking and stabbing people in the back. It was cowardly on top of evil. “Lex is obsessed with protecting himself from the dangerous meteor mutants and from an alien threat. I kind of almost get that. If I’d seen Zod and Fine and the others and didn’t know they were the only ones coming, I’d be terrified about a wide scale invasion too.”

Actually, Clark still wasn’t sure about Jor-El’s motives after all this time and was even less confident in Kara. On odd numbered days of the month he wasn’t a hundred percent sure he or his cousin wouldn’t pull a “rule them with strength” coup d’etat.
“And he set up an evil lab and tortures people.”

“Yeah he does do that and he’s trying to get revenge or fight off or whatever these enemies that don’t exist. Lex has fallen so far because he’s taken the law into his own hands and stopped seeing the boundaries. You’ve done the exact same thing but on a smaller scale.”

She glared at him. “I can’t believe you’re saying this.”

“I can’t believe the things you’re saying either.”

She shook her head, long hair falling in her face. Her anger had caused her to purse her lips and squint up her features, and she looked anything but pretty then. “And I can’t believe how ungrateful you are.”

“Me? I’m ungrateful?” He asked, throwing his hands in the air.

“Yes, you really are. I love you. I sacrificed my happiness and married that monster for you and even knowing what I do about you, I still love you.”

Clark stumbled back a little as if she’d pulled Kryptonite on him. “ Knowing what you do? What’s that supposed to mean?”

“You know how badly Zod abused me and what happened with the other people from the ship. I know you’re still you, I get that, really I do, but it doesn’t leave me jumping for joy that you’re in anyway like those people either.” She stuttered over people and Clark had the distinct impression that she’d been tempted to say things instead.

He sighed and ran a hand through his bangs. “If it makes you feel better, I’m not overly fond of them either and we’re nothing alike.”

“Everything you can do is still a little overwhelming. You can’t deny that, and it’s not like knowing you came in the first meteor shower makes me happy either. My parents died in that shower. Part of your stupid planet killed them.”

He bent his head low and shuffled his feet then. “And everyone up until that point that I’d ever met, everyone just like me, who’d ever be like me died too. My parents, my grandparents and cousins and everyone else…” Save Kara, but he didn’t feel much like sharing about her yet, “…died. I lost everything and, as bad as it sucked, what happened couldn’t have been stopped. It was the fallout from a war. I’m so sorry it happened and you have no idea how much I wish I could take it back. How much I wish you hadn’t lost your parents, or Lex hadn’t gotten sick, or all those people hadn’t been infected. But I can’t change that.”

“I know and I forgive you, but this is hard. I’m still trying to reconcile everything I know about you, about Krypton, about my parents’ death and the people from the ship and everything and I can’t help wanting to blame someone.”

Someone actually meant one Clark Kent, but that was neither here nor there. Even if she still and after eighteen years weren’t suffering from severe trauma from her parents’ accident, Clark knew that they could never have a relationship, and this time it had nothing to do with his secrets and everything to do with hers. She was an awful, selfish person who went out of her way to hurt others.

She was everything he was struggling not to be.

He couldn’t live with someone like that, let alone love her.

Hell, he couldn’t let Kara within a hundred yards of someone so amoral and ruthless. A superpowered demi-god should not adopt Lana Lang as their role model.

“I can’t do this. Lana you can’t live here. First of all, taking you in would be harboring a felon and that’s both wrong and something I can’t afford to do. It would ruin my mother’s career if it got out for one thing. For another, I’ve taken in a cousin of mine and I can’t set poor examples for her. I just can’t. Honestly, I think it’s best if you turn yourself in.” He shrugged and threw her words back at her. “You’re still Lex’s wife. I don’t think you’ll go to jail. After all, Luthors snake their way out of everything.”
“How dare you,” she spat as she reared back to slap him.

He snatched her hand out of the air in superspeed. “You don’t want to do that. You’ll end up in traction.”

“I forgot,” She said, pulling her arm back, after he’d released it. “Fine then. This is it, Clark, if I go out that door, I’m never coming back. I’ll go back on the run with Lex’s money to Asia or wherever but you won’t be getting a second chance, not ever.”

Clenching his jaw, he replied. “Good.” Then, he paused, playing the sentence back over in his mind. “Wait? Take Lex’s money?”

“I might have embezzled ten million dollars, but it’s not like I didn’t earn it and we never had a prenup.”

Clark shook his head in disgust. “I’m not even surprised at this point. Lana, turn yourself in now. Beg the mercy of the court or whatever. Don’t go on the run with stolen money and don’t add obstructing justice to the long list of crimes you’ve committed. Just don’t.”

“Why do you even care?”

“Because I’m going to have to go to the police with everything I know as soon as you leave or else I’m still an accomplice and because it’s the right thing to do and I wish you were capable of understanding that.”

“And I thought you loved me.” Her lower lip wibbled then and she blinked her luminous eyes at him one more time but her hold over him was broken. He wasn’t falling for her passive-aggressive ******** again.

“I loved the girl next door who rode the horses at our farm. I can’t love an attempted murderess, an embezzler, and a girl who doesn’t want anything more than vengeance.”
“Fine.” She yelled gathering up her purse and starting for the door.

But Clark wasn’t done yet. “This is why I couldn’t tell Chloe. You were trying to buy time to cover up your crimes so you could get away with it. This was never about you being scared or trying to clear your name. It was about you trying to get your way.”

“Chloe’s always been trouble.” Lana said, her hand resting on the front door’s handle. “She’s the one who encouraged me to sleep with Lex in the first place when I begged her for advice. The only good thing she ever did for me was help me figure out about your powers.”

“She told you?” Clark asked, shock creeping over him. Never in a million years could he even believe that Chloe would share his secret, not even with Lana. If it came down to choosing between the two of them, he always assumed Chloe would choose him over Lana. In fact, he’d staked his life and safety (and now Kara’s life and safety) and that feeling.

Lana shook her head. “Of course she didn’t. Even after all my suspicions with Linda Lake, despite all my pain, all the pain you put me through, she wouldn’t tell. But she helped out anyway.”

Sometimes things just clicked in his brain. It always happened with math and, sometimes, as with Kara’s ship’s frequency, it happened with his heroing. “The wine cellar. You locked Chloe in there on purpose. I thought I heard a third heart beat but I thought I was just being paranoid, what with using my powers in the middle of the head of 33.1’s camera-infested house. Jesus, what if I’d gotten caught on tape.”

“Didn’t stop you from using your powers anyway.” She snapped.

He blushed. He was really bad about the covert stuff. Something that Chloe ragged him about constantly, especially following him blurring in or out of the DP bullpen. “Okay, so I wasn’t thinking. I should have just gone to the kitchen staff or something.”

“Besides, it worked out fine. You didn’t get caught and I finally got your secret.”

“And you put Chloe and me in danger to do that and you didn’t even care.” He laughed bitterly. “You know why Lex and I finally stopped even trying to be friends?”

“No and I don’t really care, neither of you are exactly my favorite people right now.”

“Well you’re gonna hear it. Lex let the Belle Reeve escapees loose on the farm. You know, the ones that held you and my parents captive and tried to kill all of you? He hurt my family, put the people I cared about in danger just to get at my secret.” He snorted and walked over to the door, throwing it open with so much force that one of the hinges tore. “You really should try and beg him to take you back. You two deserve each other. Now go and do yourself a favor.”

“Offering advice now?”

“Oh you should take this: turn yourself in.”

“I’m not doing it.”

“Then run.” He said, waiting for her to step over the threshold and blessfully out of his home and his life. “Because I’m going to the police and then I am going to give an interview with this reporter I know over at The Planet about the real Mrs. Luthor. Good-bye, Lana.” He said, slamming the door in her face.

Pulling out his cell phone, he dialed a number he knew by heart and called at least five times a day. After the second ring, a familiar voice echoed in his ears. “Yeah, hey Chlo. You know how you were having trouble with your editor? Well I have a story for you. Even you, Miss Curator of the Wall of Weird, are never going to believe this. Can you meet me at the Smallville Police Station in an hour? I promise. It’ll definitely be worth your time.”

margroks
10-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Love this. Exactly how it should have gone on screen. THIS Clark has a brain. THIS Clark does know right from wrong. THIS Clark is going to be Superman one day.

THIS Lana is the real Lana, the ***** who cares for no one but herself. Too bad some viewers are so blind they cannot see.

SecretzNLyz15
10-13-2007, 01:38 AM
What the hell is this doing in the Clana forum? All it does it COMPLETELY bash Lana. It's all OOC.

Al confirmed that Lex faked the pregnancy, by the way.

Theshadow129x
10-13-2007, 02:13 AM
this was awesome!!! yes!!! lmao i laughed the whole time i read that! exactly the way the show should have went.

Tobywolf13
10-13-2007, 12:13 PM
Well, you know that pesky little ole loop hole don't you? It's a fic about the CLANA relationship and this is the Clana forum. It certainly wouldn't quite fit anywhere else.

Yeah, the fic was actually drafted before I read the Al Gough interview, but it doesn't change the fact that at the time she planned the frame-up and the attempted murder of Lex that she has HARD, INCTROVERTIBLE evidence Lex had been the one to hurt her.

Taking vengeance is wrong. Hurting people sans proof is vigilantism and doubly wrong.

enjoyed this conversation I take it. It was about eight hundred times more passionate than the dreck we got last night. Hard to have any conversation at all when you have to skirt a RAP SHEET to make her look like an adequate gf for Supes.

SecretzNLyz15
10-13-2007, 03:28 PM
Everyone has rap sheets, not only Lana.

treker
10-13-2007, 03:42 PM
by checking this author's posts I've found a trend toward Lana bashing....

probably because this author posts mostly in the Clark and chloe forum and is upset that Clark and Chloe will never be together the way she wants....I guess she got bored with doing it in the clark and chloe forum and decided to do it here.

avoid the agravation and don't post comments here...she's just trying to get a rise out of you......

SmallvilleMan
10-13-2007, 03:59 PM
Yep, her and her associate......I wonder what would happen if I went to the chloe and Clark forum and wrote a story about how Clark will never love Chloe like Lana? Or maybe I write a story from season 3, entitled "The Betrayal by Chloe".....Hmmmmm

treker
10-13-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yep, her and her associate......I wonder what would happen if I went to the chloe and Clark forum and wrote a story about how Clark will never love Chloe like Lana? Or maybe I write a story from season 3, entitled "The Betrayal by Chloe".....Hmmmmm


I think you should do it....

:rotfl:

Tobywolf13
10-13-2007, 06:50 PM
More than happy to see the attempt. I just think that there were A LOT of things that got glossed over last week. The whole "how come there was a dead body in your car"? one to start out with might have been a pertinent detail.

Oh, and everyone has a rap sheet, but last time I checked neither Clark, Chloe, Lois, Jimmy or any of the other "good" characters developed an elaborate plan to murder and frame someone. Hell, even Lex hasn't done that.

treker
10-13-2007, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Tobywolf13
More than happy to see the attempt. I just think that there were A LOT of things that got glossed over last week. The whole "how come there was a dead body in your car"? one to start out with might have been a pertinent detail.

Oh, and everyone has a rap sheet, but last time I checked neither Clark, Chloe, Lois, Jimmy or any of the other "good" characters developed an elaborate plan to murder and frame someone. Hell, even Lex hasn't done that.


No, I guess you have selective memory about how Lex murdered the doctor who injected Lana....

And as much as I like Clark...he did want to murder Lionel....Lana's never plotted someone death before.....

And How about Pete wanting to kill Lex.....

and your precious Chloe has harbored the same thoughts...let's not annoit anybody for saithood here....

Lana did something wrong to be sure; but I think if your honest about it she was doing what she had to do in order to survive...just because you have evidence against lex doesn't mean said evidence won't disappear with a few placed bribes.....

why don't you just admit that you came to this site to bash Lana...I've researched the other stories you posted here on the Clana board and you've always written her in an unflattering light.

rtm321
10-13-2007, 11:29 PM
What I liked about this is that it brought up a number of unaddressed issues from the show that would normally be discussed in a forum thread, but were instead brought up in a conversation between the characters in a fanfic. “Fierce” would have been a much more powerful episode if it had included something like this. It should have.

I am amused by some of the comments here. Where else would a fic involving only Clark and Lana go, besides the Clark and Lana section?

Many of us were appalled at the writers for having Clark almost kill Lionel in “Phantom.” But he didn’t , nor did Pete or Chloe kill anyone. Having murderous thoughts is not the same as acting on them.

Don’t blame Tobywolf for coming “to this site to bash Lana.” Blame the writers for having made her commit crimes and make multiple bad and selfish decisions. She stole $10M, stole a cloned body, cruelly provoked Lex into hitting her, faked her death, framed Lex for her murder, and disappeared. Then after her return, she chooses to allow her “best friend” Chloe to continue grieving. She did all this to protect herself. She did absolutely nothing to shut down project Ares or the cloning experiments. If she didn’t trust the SVPD she could have gone to US Senator Martha Kent. She did not. And it would have been almost impossible to make what appeared to be about a thousand bodies “disappear with a few well placed bribes.”

What I object to (and I believe Tobywolf as well) is that Lana returns all smiles and sweetness, and all of this is forgotten, forgiven, and barely addressed.

I, for one, would welcome a good fic with Evil Chloe circa S3. She however, did suffer for her actions, through guilt, a strained relationship with Clark, her father being fired, losing their house, etc. Lana on the other hand, always gets a pass, at least so far. We’ll see how this season plays out. I suspect Lana will be made to pay the piper.

SmallvilleMan
10-14-2007, 09:02 PM
Chloe doesn't free a pass? Huh? I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe in season two for being a jealous female dog the whole season.........I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe for not caring that Clark left in season 2........I also remember Chloe not being called out for trying to talk her out of what she did with Lionel during the episode where Clark lost his hearing. Or I could mention the way she treated Jimmy during season 6............Course those things don't get called out on. As for what Lana did. She didn't murder anyone, the clone wasn't alive. She didn't cruelly provoke Lex into doing anything. Please, there were 100s of things that would be crueller.......All she said was, "Clark means more to me than you ever will." Not as cruel as say, "I could never love a bald skinny man compared to the body Clark has" or something like that. As for framing Lex, consider that the, "What goes around comes around" saying, because I recall Lex murdering someone with his bare hands. And as for the money, she used that to escape Lex's grasps, period. I didn't see her strolling around with expensive new jewlery or a new car or a new anything.

I think I will treker.........And I'm willing to place money on it now that the moderators step in and do something about it.

treker
10-15-2007, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Chloe doesn't free a pass? Huh? I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe in season two for being a jealous female dog the whole season.........I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe for not caring that Clark left in season 2........I also remember Chloe not being called out for trying to talk her out of what she did with Lionel during the episode where Clark lost his hearing. Or I could mention the way she treated Jimmy during season 6............Course those things don't get called out on. As for what Lana did. She didn't murder anyone, the clone wasn't alive. She didn't cruelly provoke Lex into doing anything. Please, there were 100s of things that would be crueller.......All she said was, "Clark means more to me than you ever will." Not as cruel as say, "I could never love a bald skinny man compared to the body Clark has" or something like that. As for framing Lex, consider that the, "What goes around comes around" saying, because I recall Lex murdering someone with his bare hands. And as for the money, she used that to escape Lex's grasps, period. I didn't see her strolling around with expensive new jewlery or a new car or a new anything.

I think I will treker.........And I'm willing to place money on it now that the moderators step in and do something about it.

I'm sure you're right SM.....since it seems to be the world against Clana. But, I still think you should write it and see how they like a taste of their own medicine....

Maybe you should write a short fic making Chloe pay the price for her misdeeds in season 2 and 3......

and case in point with Lana...I agree with you about the clone...she didn't murder anybody since it was never alive to begin with and as for the $10 million, we all know she would have gotten alot more than that in a divorce settlement; hell, Lex even offered a settlement before bringing up the fact that she had already taken that money.

Call me someone with rose colored glasses; but I don't really see that she did anything unforgiveable. Yeah, she tried to set Lex up but I think a case can be made for desperate times call for desperate messures.

I know that if Chloe did anything like this the people over in the Clark and Chloe forum would make up any excuse to justify what she did.....

Bonita_LovesSuperman
10-15-2007, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Tobywolf13
More than happy to see the attempt. I just think that there were A LOT of things that got glossed over last week. The whole "how come there was a dead body in your car"? one to start out with might have been a pertinent detail.

Oh, and everyone has a rap sheet, but last time I checked neither Clark, Chloe, Lois, Jimmy or any of the other "good" characters developed an elaborate plan to murder and frame someone. Hell, even Lex hasn't done that.

:rotfl: I laughed my ass the whole time, the story was ok but bashing Lana won't help..

If I was Lana, I would've totured Lex for what he did to me.. Probably get 10 million dollars, spend it on clothes, give it too charity, extend my wardrobe and for Lex I'd hang him upside down, NAKED on top of his mansion so everyone can see what his rich ass looks like:D

Clana-ers settle pretzels, no need to worry, they can write so many hate fics but it's not going to stop Clana from happening;).. Just some people don't have lives, what a pity:)

margroks
10-15-2007, 08:30 AM
This is totaly the Lana we've always seen but some refused to acknowledge. Lana has always been dark, self-centered, manipulative and the writers themselves have said she was not depicted as the girl who would ever really accept Clark. That was total retcomn crap of the worst sort, such as her ridiculous deathbed confession in Mortal when she made the outrageous and completely unsupported by canon, claim that she has loved Clark from the moment she first saw him. Completely bogus since in no ep ever did we see the faintest hint that Lana cared for Clark early on and wanted him as anything but a back up BF when Whitney had a dying father and couldn't give her the attention she expected (Nicodemus made that clear).

Lana never even came to the farm next door where Clark lived in her entire life until she found out Whitney's involvement in the scarecrow incident (as Clark asked her-back when he had a functioning brain) and it didnt take long for her supposed outrage over that to fade because "He (Whitney) makes me feel safe," and early tell that Lana cares only for herself and no one else. And if there was ever another retcon, it was sudden;y Lex being made the insstigator of the fake baby. That was obviously not the original intent, as per his shock when Lana confronted him later or when he was told she lost the baby. Lex had Lana CLONED, for some inexplicable reason since one is too much but I think he was not originally to be to blame.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what Lex did or didn't do, Lana had no right to leave him to die in Nemesis when she could have saved him, threaten to kill Lionel, plan to kill Lex by leading him to China, or to come on to Clark as a way of manipulating him to go after Lionel and Lex both. That was doubly bad since she knew Clark might seriously injure of kill LEx or Lionel and she cared nothing for what that might do to Clark emotionally, morally or that he might spend time in jail. Lana has no love for anyone but herself and she never has.

Lana's interest in Clark has always been insisting she know his secrets because Lana, like Lex, feels entitled and knows that knowledge is power. Lana made a great Luthor becasue that has always been her mindset. Worship me and do my bidding and I may let you be with me. I think tyhis fic was a perfect character study of how Lana really is and it is in no way character bashing. The producers and writers have made clear THIS is the real Lana and it's time Lana apologists saw the light.

THe "two wrongs don't make a right" adage applies here and Lana was wrong to do all she did with no care for how it might affect others. Clark had it right to wonder why, if this girl loves me so much, did she keep me and others in the dark, knowing how much we hurt to think her dead, for the sole purpose of avoiding prosecution for her heinous crimes, which, we now know, including not only attempted murder and threats to injured men but desecration of a body and embezzlement? Lana is a nasty piece of work and always has been. This fic is a perfect reflection of the true nature of Lana Lang and it's that nature the producers are making clear on the show itself. Now, if only we get to see Clark and everyone else call her on her crap after too long getting by with it.

Excellent story and completely in line with with the official plot on the show itself.

superman_lives_on
10-15-2007, 08:57 AM
Guys (namely SVM and treker), just put these twerps on your Ignore list--that's what it's for. And for Zod's sake, SOMEONE DELETE THIS THREAD!!! :mad:

aqgalaxy
10-15-2007, 09:16 AM
First to those who are bashing the Author about this story... You chose to read it, you didn't have to... yet you did so stop criticizing.

Toby... I love you!!!! I love this story it's sooo this is Superman This is the Clark Kent we all grew up with... sooo PERFECT!!!!! I love this story just... this was how the episode should have went.


Originally posted by superman_lives_on
And for Zod's sake, SOMEONE DELETE THIS THREAD!!!

Why should they delete the thread... this Fic revolves around Clana... so it belongs in the Clana thread... just because it's not "Ohhh Lana is innocent... ohhh Lana is perfect" and because it shows Clark has brains and balls you want it deleted? That's sad... and guess what It won't cause it doesn't violate any rules... if you don't like this story you shouldn't have read it.

carcassi
10-15-2007, 01:45 PM
I know I've already told you this, but THANK you, Toby, for showing us a Clark who's able and willing to ask the right questions, and who refuses to ignore reality in spite of his feelings. Count me in as one other who wishes we'd seen something like this on the show. Great job, kudos! :)

Tobywolf13
10-15-2007, 09:51 PM
Chloe doesn't free a pass? Huh? I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe in season two for being a jealous female dog the whole season.........I don't remember anyone calling out Chloe for not caring that Clark left in season 2........I also remember Chloe not being called out for trying to talk her out of what she did with Lionel during the episode where Clark lost his hearing. Or I could mention the way she treated Jimmy during season 6...........

1) Yeah, Chloe was jealous and vindictive in S2 and she ended up having her relationship with Clark completely fall apart. Her basically left alone without him in the Torch in "Witness" comes to mind or the large blow out between the both of them in "Exodus." Of course, her snit led to her deal with Lionel which in turn resulted in a massive laundry list of serious consequences for her----her father's career was ruined, she got blacklisted from the Planet, she lost her home (but still managed to help take care of Lana), she lost her funding for college, she and her father went into protective custody, and Lionel tried to have her assassinated not once but twice. I'd say these were all pretty severe consequences of her actions. She's still paying for it because her rep at the DP has still been tarnished from her Lionel deal (thirst) and she's still dependent on financial aid and scholarships for college.

2) She definitely did care where Clark went during the summer. She's the one who kept tabs on him without going to Lionel about it, mind, and she's the one who did tell Lana where to find him. And that went really well when someone finally did seek him out and pressure him to go home because he went straight to Edge and the easy runaway money. Besides she paid there too because Lana, justifiably, blamed her for letting her and the Kents suffer and left without her for Metropolis.

3) She did pay for her stunt with Lionel. In "Whisper," she and Clark have a huge fight and he point blank accuses her of using her deal with Lionel to "get the Torch a few new computers and a name for herself at the DP." She admits to it, provides a lame excuse, and he dismisses her without saying much of anything else. There is no reconciliation or instant forgiveness.

Also, the subsequent episode, "Delete" features every major character but Pete trying to murder Chloe, which though not because of Lionel, she still feels is her "penance" for what she did to Clark. This is the follow-up to Whisper where he does start to forgive her.

4) Jimmy felt like he got the shaft last season because she was always off helping Clark---breaking a date to help save Javier in "subterranean," trying to help her cousin get out from under the love potion influence in "crimson," trying to make an excuse for Clark's redK bender. However, she didn't cheat on Jimmy and her actions of putting Clark first did result in a temporary Chimmy break-up. By the end of the season, she's clearly devoted to Jimmy (see her moping in "Prototype").

[b] Course those things don't get called out on. As for what Lana did. She didn't murder anyone, the clone wasn't alive. She didn't cruelly provoke Lex into doing anything. Please, there were 100s of things that would be crueller.......All she said was, "Clark means more to me than you ever will." Not as cruel as say, "I could never love a bald skinny man compared to the body Clark has" or something like that. As for framing Lex, consider that the, "What goes around comes around" saying, because I recall Lex murdering someone with his bare hands. And as for the money, she used that to escape Lex's grasps, period. I didn't see her strolling around with expensive new jewlery or a new car or a new anything.

---No, she didn't murder anyone but it is a crime, not a massive one, but a crime nonetheless to improperly dispose of/defile a human body.

---She was deliberately cruel. She brought up loving Clark more to taunt him but the real knife in him was the insinuation that he was incapable of love.

----Yes, Lex did murder the doctor for her and, yes, since the fic was published AlMiles revealed Lex was the baby faker. However, Lana had nothing but suspicion against Lex for the baby faking and did NOT know about the murder. You can't be a vigilante and start attempting murder and trying to frame people because you suspect they've hurt you. She should have gone to the police and handled it legally, which she chose NOT to do.

---She stole Lex's money period. It was wrong. She could have asked Lionel for the money and he would have given it to her. She didn't have the legal right to what she stole and she knows it was wrong or Lex wouldn't have been able to threaten her with the exposing of this theft to Clark. Even he'd find that quesitonable behavior.

---Because someone commits crimes against you does NOT give you the right to get revenge or to commit crimes in return. Lana broke some very serious laws, the greatest of which would be attempted murder, and she should be held accountable for her actions.

Chloe makes one deal with Lionel and she and her family fall into financial ruin and she almost dies. Lana defiles a corpse, breaks and enters, steals research materials, frames someone for murder, forges paper work to get into Communist China, steals millions of dollars, and attempts murder and Clark never hears anything about it and, worse still, the wronged party makes it all disappear for her. She might hate Lex but I notice she didn't hate him enough not to rely on him to clean up her mess as with Mrs. Teague.

Lana's committed some serious crimes and canon probably will never recognize it.

I don't like Clana, obviously, but if she came clean with her actions and Clark forgave and they worked past it, that would be one thing. Her hiding her crimes from him, which she is, and having no legal penalties for what she did and still shacking up with Clark is what I don't agree with. The only blessing in how "Fierce" did play out is that Clark doesn't know about the embezzlement. To think that Clark would condone that after his anger over Pete even suggesting he rob ATMs or over Oliver's Robin Hood schtick, is reprehensible. If the embezzling ever comes to light, I at least hope that he disapproves strongly and there's a fight.

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eta: sorry I misdid the bold.

Bonita_LovesSuperman
10-16-2007, 05:59 AM
oh god, :lol: who cares about deleting this thread, just let it slide down to the bottom and let it fade away.. Like this incident never happend:D

elhector2
10-16-2007, 09:07 AM
The fact of the matter is, no matter whether you like Clana, hate it, or somewhere in between, every single person's viewpoint will be affected by their own beliefs. And that goes not just for posters here but the characters on the show. If you care about a person, you will be much more likely to go out of your way to show them forgiveness, even when it seems they may be beyond it. Like Jimmy said in one episode last season, Chloe would forgive Clark almost anything, things she would call other people on. Chloe cares about Clark that much, and like it or not, Clark cares about Lana that much. We'll have to see about the embezzling thing...I hope ultimately Clark will forgive Lana but at the very least he should let her know in no uncertain terms that embezzling is wrong and she should have trusted him instead of stealing from Lex. And hey, Clark does have an amazing capacity to forgive...he always believes in second chances. I think if he got some evidence that Lex's redemption was genuine, he would be there to support him. THAT'S what makes Clark/Superman a hero...not that he is really strong and can take down the bad guys, but even with the worst characters, he never kills because he always believes in giving people ONE MORE CHANCE.

superman_lives_on
10-16-2007, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by elhector2
The fact of the matter is, no matter whether you like Clana, hate it, or somewhere in between, every single person's viewpoint will be affected by their own beliefs. And that goes not just for posters here but the characters on the show. If you care about a person, you will be much more likely to go out of your way to show them forgiveness, even when it seems they may be beyond it. Like Jimmy said in one episode last season, Chloe would forgive Clark almost anything, things she would call other people on. Chloe cares about Clark that much, and like it or not, Clark cares about Lana that much. We'll have to see about the embezzling thing...I hope ultimately Clark will forgive Lana but at the very least he should let her know in no uncertain terms that embezzling is wrong and she should have trusted him instead of stealing from Lex. And hey, Clark does have an amazing capacity to forgive...he always believes in second chances. I think if he got some evidence that Lex's redemption was genuine, he would be there to support him. THAT'S what makes Clark/Superman a hero...not that he is really strong and can take down the bad guys, but even with the worst characters, he never kills because he always believes in giving people ONE MORE CHANCE.

BRAVO! BRAVO! :D :D :D

That was beautifully said, my friend. And on that note, let this thread either be closed or deleted OR let it fall into obscurity.

TomsLove101
10-16-2007, 09:29 AM
Um so ive heard a lot about this story so I decided to come check it out. And I love it brings a theory behind what wasn't shown on screen. And I dont know y all these Clana fans are bring Chlark into this, because this story has NOTHING To do with them. This story is a opinion that Toby has about a issue with the couple. If you don't like it don't read it. Personally I think its very well written and shows Lana for the character she has become. Shes no longer the sweet innocent girl next door and thats just the way it is, yes she has had a lot of issues to deal with and im sure Clark will forgive her because thats what he does. Either way well written story and I loved it!

kitmerlot
10-16-2007, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by TomsLove101
Um so ive heard a lot about this story so I decided to come check it out. And I love it brings a theory behind what wasn't shown on screen. And I dont know y all these Clana fans are bring Chlark into this, because this story has NOTHING To do with them. This story is a opinion that Toby has about a issue with the couple. If you don't like it don't read it. Personally I think its very well written and shows Lana for the character she has become. Shes no longer the sweet innocent girl next door and thats just the way it is, yes she has had a lot of issues to deal with and im sure Clark will forgive her because thats what he does. Either way well written story and I loved it!

This is all quite true, and I applaud Toby's writing this fic.

Excellent work:D

treker
10-16-2007, 04:06 PM
The one thing that is interesting to me is how many Chlark fans are finding their way onto the Clana board...people I've never seen before....

So, tell me....how much is Toby promoting this and getting people to come over here and post these anti-clana comments?

Dustmite
10-16-2007, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by treker
So, tell me....how much is Toby promoting this and getting people to come over here and post these anti-clana comments?

She isn't promoting it at all. I only realized this was posted here when a certain story popped up on the Chlark thread. There is no rule saying just what kind of fict can be posted here and her story is just as valid as everyone else's on this forum. Of course you can disagree with the sentiment of the story but she has a right to post here just as the two authors who posted on the Chlark thread have a right to post there.

kitmerlot
10-16-2007, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Dustmite
She isn't promoting it at all. I only realized this was posted here when a certain story popped up on the Chlark thread. There is no rule saying just what kind of fict can be posted here and her story is just as valid as everyone else's on this forum. Of course you can disagree with the sentiment of the story but she has a right to post here just as the two authors who posted on the Chlark thread have a right to post there.

Yes, that is the reason I read the fic, too, because of the other story being in the Chlark thread.

TomsLove101
10-16-2007, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by kitmerlot
Yes, that is the reason I read the fic, too, because of the other story being in the Chlark thread.

Toby's not promoting it I figured it out from the stories in the Chlark Forum that were posted just like i am seeing Clana fans on the Chlark board i've never seen before and I wanted to know why, and your most def right ive never been here before and probably wont come back. Either way I liked the story Bye :)

rtm321
10-16-2007, 06:34 PM
elhector2 said it well. Clark should forgive Lana, but first she must want forgiveness, and for that she needs to admit to some mistakes. That is my main problem with the character.

I'm here because I read all of Toby's fics whether in Clana, Chlark, or Adult.

'Nuff said.

elhector2
10-17-2007, 06:15 AM
I was, am, and always will be a fan of Clana. =) Part of what I love about their relationship is that it's very real. The problems may be fantastic in nature, but they do have problems just like any other couple. Neither brings perfection or a clean slate to the table. Part of what I love about the relationship is that in a heartbrakingly painful, yet beautiful way, it shows how much all of us wish we could've done things different, and maybe things could've turned out awesome. How would things be different for Clana if this or that had or had not happened? That's what I come here for. To read wonderful stories by Treker, Cardinal, AJFinn, etc. etc. Stories where Clark and Lana find themselves in situations different from the show, situations which actually allow the relationship to grow into what it potentially could be on the show. That's likely part of the reason there's such a strong reaction to threads like this...people come here to write/read about how they wish Clana could be, and when they see the opposite in front of them, they'll react. That said, I think threads like these aren't a bad thing. In my opinion, the only way to judge whether this thread belongs in the Clana section is to know Toby's motivation for writing it. If it's to truly explore Clana, good or bad, it should be here. If it's meant to spit in the face of Clana fans, it's childish and shouldn't be here. We can't read Toby's mind, so let's give him/her the benefit of a doubt. The fact is, a thread like this can lead to healthy debate and good opinions coming forth on both sides of the isle. We may not all legally be adults, but we can show maturity and be willing to listen to the other side's viewpoints, if they extend us the same courtesy. A thread like this forces us to look at Clana critically...if after we do, we feel exactly like we felt before, then let's talk about why. Discussion is not a dangerous or bad thing if handled properly. We're all fans of Smallville and wish it could turn out the way WE want it to...let's share our vision with others, and let's hear theirs.

Chlollie
10-17-2007, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by elhector2 If it's to truly explore Clana, good or bad, it should be here. If it's meant to spit in the face of Clana fans, it's childish and shouldn't be here.

I agree with you there elhector2

And I don't think you have to do something like SmallvilleMan, and deanyouk did in the Chlark fanfic forum, just to get back.

SmallvilleMan, and deanyouk if you were truely trying to do a chlark friendship story its fine, but if you where just doing it to get back at this story its wrong and it childish.

treker
10-17-2007, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by elhector2
In my opinion, the only way to judge whether this thread belongs in the Clana section is to know Toby's motivation for writing it. If it's to truly explore Clana, good or bad, it should be here. If it's meant to spit in the face of Clana fans, it's childish and shouldn't be here. We can't read Toby's mind, so let's give him/her the benefit of a doubt. The fact is, a thread like this can lead to healthy debate and good opinions coming forth on both sides of the isle. .


To be honest, I may have over reacted...but, I also do my research...and toby has never written a happy clana story.

I don't have a problem with unhappy Clana as long as I know going in that is what I'm reading...but, this story had none of the usual disclaimers to warn the readership what they were getting into....I always put that on my fics.

And considering what was said after the fact; it just leads me (and alot of other clana fans) to believe this was a story meant to bash Lana and inflame the readership of this forum. And I haven't read anything in toby's or anyone else's reply's that would change my mind from this opnion.

If people don't want this type of conflict then I repectfully suggest they follow K-site guidelines for posting a story...in other words let the readership know what they're getting into in the description of the story before they read it. For example....."if you're looking for happy Clana then look elsewhere"

I don't think that's asking to much....do you?

elhector2
10-17-2007, 03:17 PM
Nope I don't think that's too much to ask at all...you make a good point about warning readers...especially about something you KNOW a majority of them posting on that particular forum won't like, no matter how well you defend your point of view...

SecretzNLyz15
10-17-2007, 08:49 PM
She writes good stories, but the characters are completely OOC. That's my pet peeve with her fics. It seems like her fics are always about Clana fighting or hating each other. An antis dream fic or something..everytime.

treker
10-17-2007, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
She writes good stories, but the characters are completely OOC. That's my pet peeve with her fics. It seems like her fics are always about Clana fighting or hating each other. An antis dream fic or something..everytime.


Well, that was what we were all complaining about...and my real point is that it's okay for her to write those type of stories; but, what I object too is not putting a disclaimer at the beginning warning people about what's coming.

As I said, I don't think that's asking too much.......

SmallvilleMan
10-17-2007, 10:06 PM
SmallvilleMan, and deanyouk if you were truely trying to do a chlark friendship story its fine, but if you where just doing it to get back at this story its wrong and it childish.

To be completely honest I've always thought about doing a chlark friends fic. It was going to be about Clark when he's superman, Lana would be his wife before dying and Chloe would step in as a great friend, etc............That was until I went into the chlark forum and saw how rude all the chlarkers were, when I said I liked theif fics, except for the way Lana was made to look.

Chlollie
10-17-2007, 10:39 PM
So your try to do one. Your not doing it because this? I have read some of your story and I like them.