TV Ratings for Fierce

[myankskent]

Post them here...

[warriorrenegade]

My prediction: 4.3 mil final rating.

[ClarkyBoy14]

SV finished on top again last week in total viewers. Here's for 10/1-10/7:

1. Smallville 4.59 million viewers
2. America's Next Top Model: 4.55
3. Friday Night SmackDown!: 4.26
4. The Game (Season Premiere): 2.98
5. Supernatural (SP): 2.97
6. Reaper: 2.86
7. Gossip Girl: 2.75
8. Beauty and the Geek: 2.69
9. Everybody Hates Chris (SP): 2.58
10. Girlfriends (SP): 2.57
11. Aliens in America (SP): 2.34
12. Life Is Wild (SP): 1.65
13. ANTM (R): 1.35
14. CW Now: 0.79
15. Online Nation: 0.7

If #s 4-15 continue to perform like that, don't be surprised if next fall's schedule looks like this:

Mon.
8: America's Next Top Child Model
9: America's Next Top Male Model

Tue.
8: Tuesday Night SmackDown!

Wed.
8: ANTM
9: Supergirl

Thu.
8: SV
9: Justice

Fri.
8: Friday Night SmackDown!

Sun.
7: ANTM franchise encore
8: SV franchise encore
9: Green Arrow

:lol:

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I'm predicting "Fierce" will have somewhere between 4.4-4.6 million viewers, and that either ANTM or FNSD will take the number one spot for the week.

[MidgardDragon]

I'm hoping we at least retain all of last week's viewers, for a 4.5ish final. Would be great if we got an increase, since Kara was pretty well-received. Anyone have the numbers for last year's third episode? Did it drop, stay the same, or increase from the second episode?

Here they are:


SEASON 6 Final Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.14*

So last year saw a pretty good increase and that was Wither (which I believe was actually advertised as a Lexana episode, wasn't it?) so we're probably likely to see an increase here too.

I'm calling it as around 4.8 million, especially given that there seem to be a lot more Clana fans (and that's how this episode was advertised) then there ever were Lexana fans.

[ClarkyBoy14]

It was advertised w/a sweaty, shirtless Justin Hartley. :lol:

[Rafael122]

I dunno if it'll do bigger numbers than Wither from last year. 4.8 is pretty tough to beat.

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Overnight (metered market) Results

Link (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp)

8 p.m. hour

CBS: Survivor: China (#1, 8.4 rating/13 share)

ABC: Ugly Betty (#2, 7.4/12)

Fox Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (#3, 5.7/ 9)

NBC My Name is Earl (#4: 5.1/ 8) and 30 Rock (#4: 4.3/ 7)

CW’s Smallville (#5: 3.4/ 5)


More detailed Fast National ratings will be out at 12 ET.

[SparkleforSmallville]

That doesn't sound right. the top rated show only got 8 mil. viewers?
Oh, I see these are just the "Ratings Shares" of the households.:p I don't know what that means:lol: I just woke up:) I did love "Fierce" whatever the ratings!

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Here are the Fast National Ratings


CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.75 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5).



http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/30510577

____________________________

Season 7 Week to Week

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.75 million


* - Final Rating

Season Average - 4.84 million

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Half Hour Breakdown

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.50 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.32 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.14 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

[JEWCY]

very nice!!! about .25 million more than last week

is the reason for an increase due to the return for clana?


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
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I'm calling it as around 4.8 million, especially given that there seem to be a lot more Clana fans (and that's how this episode was advertised) then there ever were Lexana fans. [/B]

good prediction, you should be real close with the final numbes increasing slightly

[joesmallville]

I think that the Yankees not playing did more for the ratings increase than anything else.

Looks like introducing Kara has paid off nicely for Smallville

[jimmyolsenblues]

to me fierce was not that good, and I won't be surprised if we get lower ratings next week. Even with the big guest star next week; we lost momentum with fierce.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yeah! That's more like it:D 4.75mil. is not bad, could go up in the finals.

MidgardDragon's prediction hit the nail on the head:)

I'm glad but surprised that "Fierce" beat "Kara". ANTM got like 5mil. this week:confused:

[Kreukie]

Can't wait to see the overall ratings, may be closer to 5 million.

I'm glad the ratings weren't poor, I feared if they were Clana/Lana would be blamed for it until the cows come home. :p

[paolinki25]

They pretty much stayed the same.

[MidgardDragon]

Um, no. 4.59 does not = 4.75

They're fluctuating in the same way as last year so far, and until now have been higher than last year's ratings. Heck, we might even end up with the same or better in finals if we're lucky.

[Rafael122]

Wow...so the rating actually increased from last week. Not to mention they got 5 million viewers for the second half of the show. Not bad at all.

[mctor]

YAY we went up 190k

[myankskent]

This is pretty surprising, to be perfectly honest. Fierce really didn't look to be a great episode going in, I'm kind of surprised that the ratings increased that much. With Dean Cain next week, there might be an outside chance of breaking 5 million again.

[MidgardDragon]

Bizarro and Kara both started the season off with great mythos-centric episodes, I don't find the increase surprising at all. Now lots of people get annoyed with filler so I can't say if next week has a possibility of going up, but with Dean Cain coming on, it is definitely a possibility.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Now lots of people get annoyed with filler so I can't say if next week has a possibility of going up, but with Dean Cain coming on, it is definitely a possibility.

I hope that he causes the ratings to break 5 mil, because it would give Al/Miles the incentive to use his character again. I love Dean Cain and I think a lot of people still like him from L&C, so hopefully he is brought back.

[Jack-El49]

Wow - considering all the carping about Clana, the episode did very well. Hitting 5 million in the second half of the hour is excellent. Here's to hoping it remains a solid season.

[LegendaryU2K]

tHIS episode wasnt good like the first 2, so i'm kinda shocked about the ratings, but like me there are plenty of hardcore smallville fans.

Thanks for the good ratings.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Not, bad. 4.75 million is better than I was expecting. I wonder if it was because ppl liked what they saw the last two weeks and spread the word, ppl found out about the guest star and LV in a bikini, or the return of C/Lana (btw, last year's heavily promoted as Clana ep. "Trespass" had a very similar 4.74 million).

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I hope the CW does a good job w/promoting next week's guest star, so we can hopefully see an increase next week even though "Fierce" wasn't that well received.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
Wow - considering all the carping about Clana, the episode did very well. Hitting 5 million in the second half of the hour is excellent. Here's to hoping it remains a solid season.

Fierce increased in the ratings that's why this thread is so quiet. :lol:

[jazel]

yeah ALL those males, tuned in to see Kara's bikini.LOL

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by jazel
yeah ALL those males, tuned in to see Kara's bikini.LOL

If it makes you feel better.

But Clana was the most heavily pimped for this ep regarding the trailer.

Trailers lure in the casual viewers more than anything else.

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Final Ratings

Smallville
- 4.819 million viewers
- 2.9/5 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.164 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.1/3 A18-49
- 1.1/3 A18-34

_________________________

Season 7 Week to Week

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.82 million*


* - Final Rating

Season Average - 4.86 million

[SparkleforSmallville]

"Fierce" 4.82 mil., :cool:

[redraven]

I'm really happy about the ratings for this week. :D I wonder how many pages this thread would have if the ratings dropped. :lol:

[batfinx]

Let's see, according to last year's ratings, the third episode was Wither. Lana was with Lex and that's the episode where she slept with him. That episode got 4.88 million. Fierce, the third episode this year where she's back with Clark and heavily advertised as being back with him as pointed out by Kid Collins, got 4.82 million.

I guess people don't care who Lana is with, but slightly favored her with Lex. :lol: In fact, it's the first episode this year that's lower than last year's corresponding episode. Not by much, so it's no big deal, but it's clear to me that shipper junk makes no difference in the ratings. At least not shipper stuff with Lana, because whether Clark or Lex, the numbers were almost virtually the same. And there was no bikini this time last year to advertise either :D

[redraven]

^^I don't remember the trailer for Wither, but did they advertise Lexana heavily? Or Lexana sex?

I know they did in the second trailer for it but that's not viewed by the general audience so...I don't think the .6 matters at all. The ratings for the 4th episode will be more important for comparison on whether people generally like Lana better with Lex or Clark.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by batfinx
Let's see, according to last year's ratings, the third episode was Wither. Lana was with Lex and that's the episode where she slept with him. That episode got 4.88 million. Fierce, the third episode this year where she's back with Clark and heavily advertised as being back with him as pointed out by Kid Collins, got 4.82 million.

I guess people don't care who Lana is with, but slightly favored her with Lex. :lol: In fact, it's the first episode this year that's lower than last year's corresponding episode. Not by much, so it's no big deal, but it's clear to me that shipper junk makes no difference in the ratings. At least not shipper stuff with Lana, because whether Clark or Lex, the numbers were almost virtually the same. And there was no bikini this time last year to advertise either :D

YOUR SO WRONG DUDE!!

In the Wither trailer that CW released it was ALL Green Arrow!!

No Lexana in sight!!

That's the truth.

Just can't stand the fact that Clana didn't bring down the ratings that all antis were hoping for!!

Add to that in Season 5,

Arrival had 5.9 million
Mortal 5.9
Hidden 5.9

No decrease in the ratings and no superhero guest stars were pimped but Clana.



boo hoo.

[redraven]

^^Lol I think you mean the 'Wither' trailer.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by redraven
^^Lol I think you mean the 'Wither' trailer.

:D :p

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by redraven
I'm really happy about the ratings for this week. :D I wonder how many pages this thread would have if the ratings dropped. :lol:

It would be 10 pages of people threatening Al/Miles lives and saying how the show hasn't been good since Season 1, 2, or 3. When Smallville's down, people kick it, when Smallville's up, people still kick it, just not as hard.

[KryptoKnight]

Let's just say that maybe more people tuned in to see Supergirl. I like that. It's good that Smallville got more attention. But suppose those new viewers didn't like the episode. I mean, these are the people who tuned in because they WANTED to see Supergirl. They apparently didn't tune in because of what already existed so they hoped this was going to be great enough to make them watch. If ratings were mediocre at best, isn't it likely they may not tune in again? Therefore the show is left with the old fans who will continue to watch, hoping the show gets better.
I could be wrong but I think the producers made a big mistake by not locking into this opportunity.
I don't mean to sound negative. I want this to be realistic.

[batfinx]

The ratings for the 4th episode will be more important for comparison on whether people generally like Lana better with Lex or Clark.

Nice try, but the 4th episode has Dean Cain in it and I'd think if there was an upward spike for that one it would be due to him.


YOUR SO WRONG DUDE!!

I think I hit a nerve :lol:


In the Wither trailer that CW released it was ALL Green Arrow!!

No Lexana in sight!!

You don't remember the trailer where Lexana are kissing in front of the fireplace and he takes that scarf off her neck?


Arrival had 5.9 million
Mortal 5.9
Hidden 5.9

And Solitude, same season, got 6 million and Lana wasn't in it at all.


Just can't stand the fact that Clana didn't bring down the ratings that all antis were hoping for!!

Actually, my reaction is to the never-ending idea that ships (whichever ship, it doesn't matter) bring in higher ratings and what we've found out is that it's not true. Again, compared to last year when Lana was with Lex there was almost no difference except a slight drop this year.

And if by 'antis' you mean anti Clana, if it makes you feel better, I'm simply anti-ship, no matter which one. Shippers tear this fandom to pieces with their own little agendas. They all want to believe that their ship is the salvation of the show and don't give a damn about Clark other than what stature a pairing with him gives their favorite female character.


No decrease in the ratings and no superhero guest stars were pimped but Clana.

Uh, isn't Kara a guest superhero? :lol:

[STFanatic]

No, it seems she is the replacement for Clark so he can play "house" down on the farm.

[redraven]

Originally posted by batfinx
Nice try, but the 4th episode has Dean Cain in it and I'd think if there was an upward spike for that one it would be due to him.

Ah, I forgot all about Dean guest starring. But I doubt that he'd be 100% the reason of a rise in ratings.

Back in season 5 Fragile did drop a lot in ratings and that was pretty much the first Lexana episode so...yeah. With no real drop in ratings for Clana heavy episodes (Mortal comes to mind) I say viewers generally prefer Clana, but hey...I'm biased. :lol:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by LegendaryU2K
tHIS episode wasnt good like the first 2, so i'm kinda shocked about the ratings, but like me there are plenty of hardcore smallville fans.



Me too

you think the half naked models made the ratings go up among other things? :D

the epi wasn't as good as the first two but that's just my opinion:rolleyes:

[BadToad]

And if by 'antis' you mean anti Clana, if it makes you feel better, I'm simply anti-ship, no matter which one. Shippers tear this fandom to pieces with their own little agendas. They all want to believe that their ship is the salvation of the show and don't give a damn about Clark other than what stature a pairing with him gives their favorite female character.

Oh yeah, Preach it!. I'm the same way. I won't say its a universal thing by any means, but it always amazes me how much people fight over Clark for "their girl", but don't give a darn about him as a character at all. That is actually the reason I've gotten so anti-Clana over the last year. That shipper fandom is ALL about Lana and KK. Consideration for Clark (or TW) is barely a blip on the radar.

In any case, I agree that ships don't effect the ratings that much. I think a 'ship arc can have an effect on the ratings over time. But I think its an accumulative effect. JMHO

[Minela]

People who bring up season 5 ratings to show us how much Clana is loved, are seriously delusional when it comes to Clana right now. Back in season 5 they were okay, it was their first "real" shot. Even I, didn't want to gauge my eyes out when I saw it. I was fine with it and even enjoyed the end of Hidden with that hug. I thought it was nice. But now? Please. People are tired, tired, tired, tired.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Okay, here's comparisons to last week. The first number is "Fierce," the second, "Kara."

- Viewers: 4.819 million v. 4.586: UP by 233,000
- HH: 2.9/5 v. 2.9/5: SAME
- A18-49: 1.9/5 v. 1.9/5: SAME
- A18-34: 2.1/7 v. 2.1/7: SAME
- A25-54: 2.0/5 v. 1.8/5: UP by 3 tenths of a rating point

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Versus last year's "Wither" it was down by 60,000 viewers.
The average viewership of the first 3 this season is 4.86, last season was 4.79, so we're still ahead of last year by 70,000 viewers.

[SecretzNLyz15]

I think what Clana supporters are trying to say is that Clana may bring in more viewers, whether true or not, but it doesn't bring down ratings either. That seems to be the anti's argument involving Clana lately, right?

From the ratings chart that I read, more female viewers were recorded, and I'm guessing it was either for that ANTM chick or the Clana reunion. Just like Promise, more females tend to watch the show when romance is involved, IMO.

[Timester]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I think what Clana supporters are trying to say is that Clana may bring in more viewers, whether true or not, but it doesn't bring down ratings either. That seems to be the anti's argument involving Clana lately, right?

From the ratings chart that I read, more female viewers were recorded, and I'm guessing it was either for that ANTM chick or the Clana reunion. Just like Promise, more females tend to watch the show when romance is involved, IMO.

Repeat after me. Superhero/Mythology episodes = Ratings. Crappy angsty ship episodes = scare viewers away.

Giving an example, it's amazing how Clana fans defend Reckoning when that episode was the beginning of the end of Clana in season 5. Not saying that you did, but many did. Isn't that more than proof that many "Clana fans" (right...) don't even care about Clana, they only care about seeing Tom and Kristin together?

Do you think that people that watch this show for the story and characters has to suffer with that crap school of thought?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Timester
Repeat after me. Superhero/Mythology episodes = Ratings. Crappy angsty ship episodes = scare viewers away.

Giving an example, it's amazing how Clana fans defend Reckoning when that episode was the beginning of the end of Clana in season 5. Not saying that you did, but many did. Isn't that more than proof that many "Clana fans" (right...) don't even care about Clana, they only care about seeing Tom and Kristin together?
Actually, 'Reckoning' was the beginning of the end of this show, IMO.

[Timester]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
From the ratings chart that I read, more female viewers were recorded, and I'm guessing it was either for that ANTM chick or the Clana reunion. Just like Promise, more females tend to watch the show when romance is involved, IMO.

Females are the ones that went away from Smallville after seeing how bad the female characters are treated.

Heck, you just gave me the conclusion. Young males are the top demo of Smallville, those that kept watching the show since day 1. And, come on, young males don't watch the show because how pretty Clana is or how romantic Lexana was. They watch it for the same reason they watch Heroes, it's a superhero show.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Timester
Females are the ones that went away from Smallville after seeing how bad the female characters are treated.

Heck, you just gave me the conclusion. Young males are the top demo of Smallville, those that kept watching the show since day 1. And, come on, young males don't watch the show because how pretty Clana is or how romantic Lexana was. They watch it for the same reason they watch Heroes, it's a superhero show.
AlMiles seem to disagree about our motives. They just introduced another blonde hottie with loooooong legs.
I am not surprised S1 of 'Heroes' was practically romance-free. They don't want to make the same mistakes as AlMiles.

[The_Frag_Man]

I want to watch super-powered violence. Really, I'm not a hard viewer to please.

[redraven]

Originally posted by BadToad
That shipper fandom is ALL about Lana and KK. Consideration for Clark (or TW) is barely a blip on the radar.

Not completely true. I hate it when people generalize but not every Clana fan is 100% KK/Lana and don't care at all about Clark.

I, for one, am 50/50 and just joke around with all these ratings discussions. We don't all take things too seriously...

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by BadToad
Oh yeah, Preach it!. I'm the same way. I won't say its a universal thing by any means, but it always amazes me how much people fight over Clark for "their girl", but don't give a darn about him as a character at all. That is actually the reason I've gotten so anti-Clana over the last year. That shipper fandom is ALL about Lana and KK. Consideration for Clark (or TW) is barely a blip on the radar.

How do you know this?

I could easily say that Clark fans only care about Clark and will excuse anything he does. No matter what. :rolleyes:

How's that for a stereotype?

:lol:

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
I could easily say that Clark fans only care about Clark and will excuse anything he does. No matter what. :rolleyes:

Yet, you know that what you just said is BS. I'm a Clark fan and I'm usually the first to call him for what he does.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by Kid Collins




I could easily say that Clark fans only care about Clark and will excuse anything he does. No matter what. :rolleyes:

:lol: [/B]

what has Clark done in order to benefit his own ass.

Whatever he does is never for selfish reasons like I need 10 mil to hide in China for two weeks. 1 mil just isn't enough:rolleyes:

I can't live at the Talon so I'll move into the mansion it's free

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
what has Clark done in order to benefit his own ass.

Whatever he does is never for selfish reasons like I need 10 mil to hide in China for two weeks. 1 mil just isn't enough:rolleyes:

Let's see, why did Lana hide in China? Oh yeah, she was trying to keep Clark from getting killed. How selfish of her. :lol:

Funniest thing I've ever heard, Ilovebeinglost, keep the jokes coming. Selfish, hehe!

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Let's see, why did Lana hide in China? Oh yeah, she was trying to keep Clark from getting killed. How selfish of her. :lol:

Funniest thing I've ever heard, Ilovebeinglost, keep the jokes coming. Selfish, hehe!

I nver said hiding in China was selfish but taking 10 mil was and so was moving into the mansion while there was nothing going on between her and Lex.
You reap what you sow and she headed for trouble all by herself.

She was the cause of all of Clark's problems

If she hadn't moved into the mansion nothing would have happened


Anyway this is the ratings thread and I hope they show more action less sap or this show is done

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Let's see, why did Lana hide in China? Oh yeah, she was trying to keep Clark from getting killed. How selfish of her. :lol:

Funniest thing I've ever heard, Ilovebeinglost, keep the jokes coming. Selfish, hehe!

Oooh I see this another typical MD post, sarcastically insult the poster instead of commenting just on the argument. Personally, I think that the poster made a good point with the whole 10 million embezzlement issue, it had nothing to do with Clark, but taking 10 million? Could you not survive on less than 1 mil?

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Oooh I see this another typical MD post, sarcastically insult the poster instead of commenting just on the argument. Personally, I think that the poster made a good point with the whole 10 million embezzlement issue, it had nothing to do with Clark, but taking 10 million? Could you not survive on less than 1 mil?

Sarcasm about the opinion =/= insulting the poster.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Trying to belittle a person's opinion(even if it was read wrong) through sarcasm= insulting IMO

[SecretzNLyz15]

Originally posted by Timester
Females are the ones that went away from Smallville after seeing how bad the female characters are treated.

Heck, you just gave me the conclusion. Young males are the top demo of Smallville, those that kept watching the show since day 1. And, come on, young males don't watch the show because how pretty Clana is or how romantic Lexana was. They watch it for the same reason they watch Heroes, it's a superhero show.

I don't care what you claim about the female viewers because I'm going by ratings. Female viewers increased for Fierce, and like I said above, it was for either ANTM girl or Clana reunion.

[Kreukie]

The final numbers for Fierce aren't in yet, so whoever said Wither did better is incorrect since the 4.9million was Wither's final number, while 4.88million that Fierce got isn't its final number.

We won't get those until the end of this week.

So Fierce can jump to 4.9 or higher. Since Bizarro overnight was 5million and final number was 5.2million.

[Dustmite]

Do people really believe that shippers affect the ratings that much? Because IMO they don't. A lot of the casual viewers will watch because they are invested in the show and won't throw a hissy fit if a certain couple aren't getting it on.

The show didn't die when Clana were apart and Lexana were together and it won't die with Clana together either. Unless we get consistently bad episodes the ratings will stay pretty much consistent.

As for Fierce I didn't particularly think it was a great episode. It seemed choppy and had obviously been edited and hacked to bits.

[Kreukie]

TPTB have said themselves that Clana is a aspect of the show that does help ratings.

If TPTB believe that, there has to be a reason for it, since they do like going back to it.

If Clana was such a rating downer as some people seem to love to believe, TPTB have all the power to never ever go back to that and redirect Clark's love interest to someone else eg: Chloe.

Or to totally write it out completely. Yet they haven't.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by Kreukie
TPTB have said themselves that Clana is a aspect of the show that does help ratings.

If TPTB believe that, there has to be a reason for it, since they do like going back to it.

If Clana was such a rating downer as some people seem to love to believe, TPTB have all the power to never ever go back to that and redirect Clark's love interest to someone else eg: Chloe.

Or to totally write it out completely. Yet they haven't.

I didn't say it was a rating's downer but the show will not die without Clana no matter what TPTB or Clana fans say or how they try to spin it.

No ship is going to make or break Smallville and nothing will make me believe that it will.

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Originally posted by Kreukie
The final numbers for Fierce aren't in yet, so whoever said Wither did better is incorrect since the 4.9million was Wither's final number, while 4.88million that Fierce got isn't its final number.

We won't get those until the end of this week.

So Fierce can jump to 4.9 or higher. Since Bizarro overnight was 5million and final number was 5.2million.

These are the Final Ratings -

Smallville
- 4.819 million viewers
- 2.9/5 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Final Ratings Link (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/30510577?r=90010777#90010777)

[boingo]

Originally posted by Dustmite Do people really believe that shippers affect the ratings that much?

All you have to do is look at the many posts found in past "episode ratings" threads.....there have been posts upon posts about how Clana brings down ratings and vice-versa.....so yes unfortunately a lot of fans here seem to believe that *rolls eyes*....I can almost guarantee if there would have been ANY slight ratings drop for this episode, there would have been posts upon posts blaming Clana for it...but since it didn't happen no one can really say much...

I personally believe there is no one determining factor of the "why" ratings increase or decrease...if there was one clear indicator the CW would be all over it (they desperately need the viewership lol) but the truth is that there are A LOT of variables that take place when it comes to ratings.

[SecretzNLyz15]

I don't think comparing Fierce to Wither is a fair shot. I know plenty of AAR fans that only watched the ep for their performance.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Sarcasm about the opinion =/= insulting the poster.

I see so you quoting and laughing at my opinion is considered an insult.

Thanks I will keep that in mind:rolleyes:

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I don't think comparing Fierce to Wither is a fair shot. I know plenty of AAR fans that only watched the ep for their performance. Doesn't matter. The numbers were pretty equal. There will always be various reasons for fluctuations.


Originally posted by Kreukie
The final numbers for Fierce aren't in yet, so whoever said Wither did better is incorrect since the 4.9million was Wither's final number, while 4.88million that Fierce got isn't its final number.

We won't get those until the end of this week. With the last number rounded off, the FINAL number for "Wither" is 4.88 million viewers and 4.82 for "Fierce."

[STFanatic]

Many people have no inkling of an ide how the Nielson ratings work, here is some information:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/insidelocalnews/ratings.html

[darkone]

I dont think Clana brings in more viewers but Clana definitely doesnt hurt the ratings.And with the Fierce ratings the stupid illusion of Clana being responsible for the ratings dip after Promise is disproved.Very well disproved I might add.I hope DC brings even better ratings next week.

[BadToad]

How do you know this?

I could easily say that Clark fans only care about Clark and will excuse anything he does. No matter what.

How's that for a stereotype?

Actually, its a ridiculous comparison, and completely misses the point.

Of course Clark fans are most concerned for Clark. They aren't claiming they support a duo in a 'ship. You will also find many Clark fans very, very hard on him, because they want him to be the best character he can be.

But the point was that "Clana" fans are not Clark fans for the most part. Well, except when he's crawling up Lana's butt, then he's aces :lol: They are Lana fans. Clark is incidental. Just the means to keeping Lana as the center of the SV universe. And if anyone has any doubt, just visit any Clana site, and see which character and actor is beloved and supported, and which one is sort of just the other guy.

How do I know this? I read posts from Clana fans. Its not brain surgery. :lol:

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, its a ridiculous comparison, and completely misses the point.

Of course Clark fans are most concerned for Clark. They aren't claiming they support a duo in a 'ship. You will also find many Clark fans very, very hard on him, because they want him to be the best character he can be.

But the point was that "Clana" fans are not Clark fans for the most part. Well, except when he's crawling up Lana's butt, then he's aces :lol: They are Lana fans. Clark is incidental. Just the means to keeping Lana as the center of the SV universe. And if anyone has any doubt, just visit any Clana site, and see which character and actor is beloved and supported, and which one is sort of just the other guy.

How do I know this? I read posts from Clana fans. Its not brain surgery. :lol:

Uh, so your point is that Lana fans like Lana. Erm, am I the only one who thinks that was the most obvious thing ever stated on these boards?

[BadToad]

Uh, so your point is that Lana fans like Lana. Erm, am I the only one who thinks that was the most obvious thing ever stated on these boards?

Don't be obtuse. You are brighter then that. Even if you seem to believe your #1 job is to go around telling people what to post :rolleyes:

My point is, and its perfectly obvious to anyone who read what I posted, is that Clana (note MD, there's an extra letter added there. Its called a "C", indicating that people are fans of a pairing that involves 2 characters) fans don't really care about the "C" part of that pairing.

If you still aren't getting the point, well, then I can't help you.

[myankskent]

I just want to say that I can feel the love in this thread. It gives me chills just thinking about it.:)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by myankskent
I just want to say that I can feel the love in this thread. It gives me chills just thinking about it.:) :lol: Very chilly in here.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, its a ridiculous comparison, and completely misses the point.

Of course Clark fans are most concerned for Clark. They aren't claiming they support a duo in a 'ship. You will also find many Clark fans very, very hard on him, because they want him to be the best character he can be.

But the point was that "Clana" fans are not Clark fans for the most part. Well, except when he's crawling up Lana's butt, then he's aces :lol: They are Lana fans. Clark is incidental. Just the means to keeping Lana as the center of the SV universe. And if anyone has any doubt, just visit any Clana site, and see which character and actor is beloved and supported, and which one is sort of just the other guy.

How do I know this? I read posts from Clana fans. Its not brain surgery. :lol:

The fact there's a lot Lana fans at the Clana forum is due to the fact Lana fans can't go anywhere else (general forum) and support her without someone saying something nasty. Look around this forum, no one can open a pro-Lana thread without something nasty being said about Lana in it within the first two posts.

Every Clark shipper group seem to like the female more so then the male. Be Clois/Chlark/Clana. If you go to the Clois shipper site, all you see is basically Erica news on the main page of the site and nothing on Tom.

So don't make it out like it's only Clana fans that favorite the female more and that Clana fans only like Lana and not Clark whatsoever.

There's a lot Clana fans who are big Clark fans who would still watch even if Lana wasn't on the series on the Clana site you're lurking at, which I assume it's Sweet since that's the only active Clana site with a message board that I know of.

Clana fans who are Clark fans also feel they can't go to places that are pro Clark these days either because we have people who basically make them feel less of a Clark fan due to liking Clana. :rolleyes:

[ClarkyBoy14]

It's a shame that some fans have to be such asses that fans of particular characters or ships feel that they can't go places w/o being made fun of.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
It's a shame that some fans have to be such asses that fans of particular characters or ships feel that they can't go places w/o being made fun of.

I don't think that all people are being made fun of, in most cases. Yes, there can be some heated posting, but I think most people debate others views in comparison to their own. Why they like a certain angle or what they dont like.

Me, I am a complainer and a shifter. I like various pairings, but then I change my mind )when the show makes me mad...)then I go back...it all depends on the time really. I just want the show to be better, because it is "my show".

[Kreukie]

I personally don't ever go into a thread devoted to a character I don't care for just to complain about them.

As a Lana fan I know how much that annoys me, so you'll never see me in a pro-Chloe thread or pro-Lois thread ripping on them just because I dislike them for whatever reason I may have.

I feel the more you dwell on something you dislike the more it'll annoy you.

[BeldarofRemulak]

and boy does Clana annoy me...I dont know what threads I go to personally. I go to one Clana thread in the relationships, but its more on the topic presented..or about VH1 reality shows ;) other than that I go to random threads that peak my interest. I usually complain about TPTB and Clark and the lack of lionel/chlionel scenes.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
I feel the more you dwell on something you dislike the more it'll annoy you.

Yet, that is not your problem nor your job. Everyone here is free to talk good or bad about Smallville, if you see something that breaks the rules, report it to the mods, if not, and you don't like it, then just ignore it.

No one here is bashing you for your opinion, you have to understand that, no matter how much you like Lana or Clana. Seriously, Clana fans have to stop being so defensively about a fictional pairing. If Clana is so great, then show us why, thing that I never ever saw being done.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Timester
No one here is bashing you for your opinion, you have to understand that, no matter how much you like Lana or Clana. Seriously, Clana fans have to stop being so defensively about a fictional pairing. If Clana is so great, then show us why, thing that I never ever saw being done.

I agree, but it not just one set of fans. Its seems that a lot of people take criticism on their characters (be it lana, chloe, lois, lex, clark, etc) to a personal level. If I state I dont like a certain aspect, I am doing so because I-dont-like-that-aspect not the person posting why they like it. Either say I dont agree this is why or you just dont feel the same. People view things differently, so not everyone is goingt o agree.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by darkone
I dont think Clana brings in more viewers but Clana definitely doesnt hurt the ratings.And with the Fierce ratings the stupid illusion of Clana being responsible for the ratings dip after Promise is disproved.Very well disproved I might add.I hope DC brings even better ratings next week.

Actually no, it doesn't. It wasn't Clana, specifically, that made people dislike "Promise." It wasn't for me, anyway. It was the plot contrivances, characters acting like pod people, or saying the exact opposite of what they'd done before, characters doing things that made them look beyond bad, etc. For many people, "Promise" was an unpleasant experience overall, and that's why a lot of viewers didn't come back the next week.

I've said it before and I've say it again. They could've done "Promise" in a way where just about everything was the same, but if they'd taken more care with the way they handled all of the characters, it wouldn't be nearly as disliked as it turned out to be.

The ratings have been on the upsing this season, in part due to the introduction of Supergirl, I'm sure. People are interested in the show again, seeing where it will go, hoping it will turn out better than last season. The episode that have aired far haven't been bad (certainly not "Promise" bad). In fact, some interesting things are going on right now. So people interested in those things are going to watch, Clana or no Clana.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1


The ratings have been on the upsing this season, in part due to the introduction of Supergirl, I'm sure. People are interested in the show again, seeing where it will go, hoping it will turn out better than last season. The episode that have aired far haven't been bad (certainly not "Promise" bad). In fact, some interesting things are going on right now. So people interested in those things are going to watch, Clana or no Clana.

Exactly!!!! some of us still have hopes that the show will be about young Clark and at the same time get to see some stories of other superheros in the mix and not have to look at a soap opera each week.

If you like soaps go watch Gilmore girls. Oh wait that was cancelled I wonder why . :rolleyes:

We haven't come this far to watch Smallville fall apart over sap.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
For many people, "Promise" was an unpleasant experience overall, and that's why a lot of viewers didn't come back the next week.

By your logic if viewers don't tune in because the episode last week turned them off to the following week's episode, that must mean most viewers HATED Justice that's why Labyrinth's ratings were lower than it. And by a lot of posters in here, Justice was enjoyed by most.

And viewers must've loved Labyrinth because Crimson's ratings retained Labyrinth's ratings. :lol:

11.Final number for Justice..........5.3 million viewers.
12. Final number for Labyrinth..........5.0 million viewers.
13. Final number for Crimson 5.0 million viewers.


That said, please show me evidence that viewers didn't like Promise that's why they didn't tune in to Combat.

I can only speak for myself, but show's that I watch casually, I watch the trailer to see if I'm interested in watching the ep. I don't go by last week's ep to see if I'll watch the next week's because that never indicates whether next week's ep will suck or not.

Example of that is the okay ep Progeny was followed by the amazing Nemesis and followed by terrible Noir.
SV's writing is never consistent, so it can go from great to awful in a matter of week.

I have no doubt that if Cure's ratings are lower than Fierce, it'll be blamed on Clana even though the cheesy A storyline with Kara and her ANTM Freak's not only sucked ass but also incredibly boring. :rolleyes:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Ratings wen down for Labyrinth because the fans saw the previews and knew it was going to be more clana soapy sap and nothing as great as Justice.

How do you compare those two? Even I was ready to turn to another channel half way through Labyrinth. I really had a hard time watching that after " Justice" so I kept replaying episode 11 over and over. :D

And anyone that came ove I made them watch it with me. They all said the same thing. Wow this is amazing stuff, I thought Smallville was like a soap.

So now that I have the DVD I can't stop watching Justice and I still have hopes of more of this kind of epi

Was Lana in Crimson I don't even remember

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
Ratings wen down for Labyrinth because the fans saw the previews and knew it was going to be more clana soapy sap and nothing as great as Justice.

How do you compare those two? Even I was ready to turn to another channel half way through Labyrinth. I really had a hard time watching that after " Justice" so I kept replaying episode 11 over and over.

It's funny but Goughlar named, Zod, Labyrinth, Justice, Promise, Nemesis and Phantom as the best eps for season 6.

Labyrinth is one of the best written eps last season. Just because it had Clana it must've immediately tained it for antis.

And for your information, Labyrinth didn't have Clana in the trailer.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
It's funny but Goughlar named, Zod, Labyrinth, Justice, Promise, Nemesis and Phantom as the best eps for season 6.

Al said that? Why am I not surprised? Beside Zod and Justice, the other episodes are the ones where Clark looks like a moron. And Al cannot fool anyone, we all know what happened with the Labyrith rewrites.

[warriorrenegade]

Labyrith rewrites? Timester, dude I don't remember there being any rewrites. Could you refresh my memory...thankyou.

[redraven]

Originally posted by Timester
Al said that? Why am I not surprised? Beside Zod and Justice, the other episodes are the ones where Clark looks like a moron. And Al cannot fool anyone, we all know what happened with the Labyrith rewrites.

But Clark did look like a moron in Justice...and Clark didn't act like one at all in Nemesis. :confused:

[Timester]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
Labyrith rewrites? Timester, dude I don't remember there being any rewrites. Could you refresh my memory...thankyou.

Instead of the "I'm still in love with Lana" ending, there was supposed to happen a Chlark kiss in the dream, leading to a pseudo-Chlark ending. Clark was supposed to finally understand why he couldn't end up with Lana, not the opposite (Lana not trusting him, wanting him to be "normal").


Originally posted by redraven
But Clark did look like a moron in Justice...and Clark didn't act like one at all in Nemesis? :confused: Okay...

:confused:

Read again my post. I said the complete opposite.

[redraven]

^^No I know what you said, I just don't agree. I didn't word my post right. I'm saying that Clark actually DOES look like a moron and Justice, and didn't in Nemesis.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by redraven
^^No I know what you said, I just don't agree. I didn't word my post right. I'm saying that Clark actually DOES look like a moron and Justice, and didn't in Nemesis.

You thought Clark looked like a moron in "Justice?" In what way. I thought Clark was very proactive in his quest to help Bart. He wasn't in charge of the big mission at the end, but I wouldn't have bought it if he was since this was Green Arrow's team, and Clark suddenly being in charge of it would've have made any sense.

Really, I'm trying to think of how Clark acted like a moron in that episode, and I just can't.

In "Nemesis," on the other hand, one of the scenes at the end made him really come off a someone lacking character. At the end of "Justice," I felt like Clark was a hero. At the end of "Nemesis," 'heroic' was the last word I thought of in regards to Clark.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Clark is always very cautious but I wouldn't go so far as calling him a moron in Justice.

explain please

[redraven]

I haven't watched Justice in a while, but from what I can remember he refused to work with the rest of the League and looked like a complete idiot walking into that room filled with kryptonite. He didn't look like a hero to me at all in that episode and those are just a couple of examples.

I didn't think he lacked character at all in Nemesis, he looked like more of a hero to me in that episode than in Justice. Can you explain more why you thought Clark lacked character in Nemesis?

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by redraven
I didn't think he lacked character at all in Nemesis, he looked like more of a hero to me in that episode than in Justice. Can you explain more why you thought Clark lacked character in Nemesis?

It's the scene where Clark and Lana have their very touching reunion in front of Lex at the end there. When Clark lets Lana fondle his chest while Clark closes his eyes in ecstacy, knowing her husband is right there watching.

Yeah, that was classy.

And, before someone says, "Well Lex has done this, and Lex has done that, and Lex has done the other thing," I expect Clark to be better than Lex when it comes to things like this. That's supposed to be the whole point of the show.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
Yet, that is not your problem nor your job. Everyone here is free to talk good or bad about Smallville, if you see something that breaks the rules, report it to the mods, if not, and you don't like it, then just ignore it.

No one here is bashing you for your opinion, you have to understand that, no matter how much you like Lana or Clana.

What are you talking about? I'm stating my opinion on what I do with something that annoys me.

I'm not telling others to do that, I'm just stating what I do.

Nor an I saying people are bashing me personally.

As for my opinion, whenever someone quotes my post or anyone post and makes a smart a$$ remark to it, you're pretty much making fun of the person's opinion.

Which ALL fandoms do to each other, even on here.


Seriously, Clana fans have to stop being so defensively about a fictional pairing. If Clana is so great, then show us why, thing that I never ever saw being done.

All FANDOMS do that, people here seriously need to stop generalizing Clana fans as the only ones that do things.

That's my main issue with this board is that right there.

You're the second person to generalize Clana fans in this thread, from what I've noticed so far.

Yet nothing on any of the other fandoms.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by redraven
I haven't watched Justice in a while, but from what I can remember he refused to work with the rest of the League and looked like a complete idiot walking into that room filled with kryptonite. He didn't look like a hero to me at all in that episode and those are just a couple of examples.



I guess if there's no clana some people don't absorbs things.

The reason he walked into the room full of kryptonite is because if you were paying attention Chloe said, oh no, they are refining lead shielding, Chark's in trouble. That is the reason he couldn't see through the door, it was made of lead.

He didn't refuse to work with the league he just headed out on his own because that is what he is used to doing.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
It's the scene where Clark and Lana have their very touching reunion in front of Lex at the end there. When Clark lets Lana fondle his chest while Clark closes his eyes in ecstacy, knowing her husband is right there watching.

Yeah, that was classy.

And, before someone says, "Well Lex has done this, and Lex has done that, and Lex has done the other thing," I expect Clark to be better than Lex when it comes to things like this. That's supposed to be the whole point of the show.

Clark can't just turn off his feelings for Lana, just like Clark in Superman Return couldn't turn off his for Lois, even though she was with someone with a kid whom Clark thought was the other man's.

Those type of actions makes Clark human.

Seems like some of you want Clark to be a robot and show no emotions whatsoever and just be about saving people.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Clark can't just turn off his feelings for Lana, just like Clark in Superman Return couldn't turn off his for Lois, even though she was with someone with a kid whom Clark thought was the other man's.

Those type of actions makes Clark human.

Seems like some of you want Clark to be a robot and show no emotions whatsoever and just be about saving people.

What do Clark's feelings for Lana have to do with behaving decently and with dignity while in a public place?

There was something very tacky about the way both Clark and Lana behaved in that situation. It's one thing to pine for someone from afar. It's another to reenact a love scene straight out of a romance novel in front of one of their significant others...not to mention the rescuers.

Although, the writers have always acted like Clark and Lana's "love" gives them the right to act in ways inappropiate to the situations they are in. Making googly eyes at each other over people's coffins and such.

But that's an argument for another thread.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by Kreukie


Seems like some of you want Clark to be a robot and show no emotions whatsoever and just be about saving people.


Well he is now doing a good job at that with the latest reunion :D :p

Of course it's about moving on and saving people he can't be stuck in Smallville forever. The world needs him, high school was over a few years now

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
All FANDOMS do that, people here seriously need to stop generalizing Clana fans as the only ones that do things.

That's my main issue with this board is that right there.

You're the second person to generalize Clana fans in this thread, from what I've noticed so far.

Yet nothing on any of the other fandoms.

Because the Clana fans are the most defensive, you have to admit that. It's almost impossible to discuss about Clana because the other side is constantly on the defense with "don't bash Clana". Be open to different opinion and you will see that the "other side" is not the boggieman.

And of course I'm generalizing, I'm not going to list every single person, not only because it's dumb, but also against the rules. I assume that everyone is smart enough to know who people talk about and see the difference. If not, it's not my problem...

I'm here simply to talk about the show and to give my opinion. I might be right, I might be wrong, but I'm open to any other opinion, from shippers, non-shippers, whatever. It's unthinkable that I expect the same thing from everyone else? No, IMHO.

[redraven]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
It's the scene where Clark and Lana have their very touching reunion in front of Lex at the end there. When Clark lets Lana fondle his chest while Clark closes his eyes in ecstacy, knowing her husband is right there watching.

Yeah, that was classy.

Well in my eyes it was no big deal, they practically just held hands/hugged, it's not like they made out in front of Lex or something. Oh, and I doubt Clark was making an effort to think about Lex's feelings at that point in time, he was more concerned with seeing Lana, the girl he loves after he nearly died in those tunnels.



Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
I guess if there's no clana some people don't absorbs things.

Was that really necessary? No. I told you that I can't remember much from that episode but from what I did remember he did idiot-like things, thus my reasoning for saying that he acted like a moron.


The reason he walked into the room full of kryptonite is because if you were paying attention Chloe said, oh no, they are refining lead shielding, Chark's in trouble. That is the reason he couldn't see through the door, it was made of lead.

He didn't refuse to work with the league he just headed out on his own because that is what he is used to doing.

Okay...well he could've just opened the door instead of just bursting in and exposing himself to kryptonite. He would've been fine if he had just carefully opened it.

And he did refuse to work with the League by just brushing them off and thinking that he could do everything by himself.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by redraven
Oh, and I doubt Clark was making an effort to think about Lex's feelings at that point in time, he was more concerned with seeing Lana, the girl he loves after he nearly died in those tunnels.

And love excuses everything.

[SecretzNLyz15]

What does any of this have to do with ratings?

[redraven]

I don't know, actually...

EDIT:
Originally posted by Dustmite
And love excuses everything.

Umm...that's not what I said. Even if he didn't love her I still wouldn't see the big deal about "Lana fondling his chest". :rolleyes:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
What does any of this have to do with ratings?

I said it first about 15 or more posts ago :D

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
What does any of this have to do with ratings?

Why would you expect a thread titled TV ratings for Fierce to have anything to do with TV ratings for fierce? There's the much more important business of arguing about 'ships to conduct.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Originally posted by redraven


Umm...that's not what I said. Even if he didn't love her I still wouldn't see the big deal about "Lana fondling his chest". :rolleyes:

So I guess if you had/have a husband and he fondled an ex love's chest while you were watching that would be ok with you? :D

[BadToad]

And he did refuse to work with the League by just brushing them off and thinking that he could do everything by himself.

I'm not sure when this became a thread about Justice, but anway, this is not true. Clark sent Chloe over to Oliver's with the information about where Bart was being held. That is in No Way refusing to work with the League. The reason he went ahead to rescue Bart is because he thought he could get there faster, and he didn't feel there was time to waste. I am not a big fan of the plot contrivance of having Clark barge into the room with the kryptonite, but the episodes writer admitted that 1. there was supposed to be better explanations of why Clark was looking for a room with a lead door and 2. they had to find a way to incapacitate Clark so that the other heroes had a chance to shine.


Because the Clana fans are the most defensive, you have to admit that. It's almost impossible to discuss about Clana because the other side is constantly on the defense with "don't bash Clana". Be open to different opinion and you will see that the "other side" is not the boggieman.

Only 1 group of fans that I know of that refers so frequently to people that don't agree with a totally dismissive term such as "haters".


I'm here simply to talk about the show and to give my opinion. I might be right, I might be wrong, but I'm open to any other opinion, from shippers, non-shippers, whatever. It's unthinkable that I expect the same thing from everyone else? No, IMHO.

Exactly! I'd love to avoid the whole Clana/Lana topic, but its a bit hard to do when Clark is my favorite character, and IMO, his character suffers in this association.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by redraven

Okay...well he could've just opened the door instead of just bursting in and exposing himself to kryptonite. He would've been fine if he had just carefully opened it.


I didn't like the way that scene played out, mainly because Clark had to be out for the count so the Justice League could come to his rescue, but I do like the fact that Clark ran off to help Bart rather than waiting. The result wasn't great for him, but it was the thought that counted, IMO.



And he did refuse to work with the League by just brushing them off and thinking that he could do everything by himself.

Well, there are two things that you could be referring to here. The first is during the episode when Clark decided to run off to save Bart on his own. If that is what you are referring to, then my above reponse answers that. If you are referring to the ending when Clark refused to work with the Justice League, IMO, he had a valid reason to not go off with them. He needed to fix his mistakes first which was to clean up the zoner mess. I don't have a single problem with Clark making that choice.

[AngelaV]

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
I Female viewers increased for Fierce, and like I said above, it was for either ANTM girl or Clana reunion.

Female here! Though I prefer Woman :).
Haven't a clue who ANTM is. I assume it is related to the 3 Barbies with powers (though I'll learn more once I surf more of the epsiode threads). Personally I'd rather have Chloe with Clark :).

Where does that leave me? I'm a sci-fi/fantasy lover. I also love comics. THAT's why I watch EVERY episode. I didn't see a preview for this episode. Though I don't watch anything else on my Canadian station I get SV on and they don't show previews after the show.

Of course I'm probably one of the few female fans who don't give a lick who is kissing who.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by AngelaV
Female here! Though I prefer Woman :).
Haven't a clue who ANTM is. I assume it is related to the 3 Barbies with powers (though I'll learn more once I surf more of the epsiode threads). Personally I'd rather have Chloe with Clark :).

Where does that leave me? I'm a sci-fi/fantasy lover. I also love comics. THAT's why I watch EVERY episode. I didn't see a preview for this episode. Though I don't watch anything else on my Canadian station I get SV on and they don't show previews after the show.

Of course I'm probably one of the few female fans who don't give a lick who is kissing who.

ANTM = America's Next Top Model

[AngelaV]

Originally posted by STFanatic
ANTM = America's Next Top Model

Yeah, found that out finally on another thread. Can't they have cool crossovers? Or are there no cool shows on the CW? :)

[redraven]

Originally posted by myankskent


Well, there are two things that you could be referring to here. The first is during the episode when Clark decided to run off to save Bart on his own. If that is what you are referring to, then my above reponse answers that. If you are referring to the ending when Clark refused to work with the Justice League, IMO, he had a valid reason to not go off with them. He needed to fix his mistakes first which was to clean up the zoner mess. I don't have a single problem with Clark making that choice.

No, Clark running off to save Bart was actually my favorite part of the episode. I guess I should rewatch it again to validate my opinion because because I could have sworn Clark didn't work with the rest of the League for another reason other than the zoner mess he needed to clean up, which was alright with me.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by AngelaV
Yeah, found that out finally on another thread. Can't they have cool crossovers? Or are there no cool shows on the CW? :)


Maybe Beauty & the Geek or Pussycat Dolls Presents?

:lol:

There is nothing I watch on CW except Smallville.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by AngelaV
Yeah, found that out finally on another thread. Can't they have cool crossovers? Or are there no cool shows on the CW? :) Wasn't much of a cross over. Just a winner of ANTM a few years ago guesting on SV.

I'd prefer all the shows stay in their own little universe instead of crossing story lines. Unless they're spin-offs, of course.

Cool shows. On the CW? Ha, you're funny. :p

But seriously, besides SV, Supernatural and Reaper aren't bad.


Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
What does any of this have to do with ratings? That would be the million dollar question.

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Live + 7 ratings for the week of Sept 23-30 were released today.

From mediaweek - http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003658566

-The CW’s most played back show was the season-premiere of Smallville, with 841,000 additional viewers (representing 15.0 percent of the total DVR contribution).

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There is still confusion regarding whether same day DVR viewership is included in that figure. If it is, the increase from the final rating will be lower, because same day DVR numbers, meaning people that record the show on Sept 27 and watch it before 3am Sept 28, were already included in the final rating.

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Anyway - It looks like the Final Viewer Number is between 5.5 to 6 million depending on what those numbers represent.

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More from Zap2it - http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-premiereweekdvrratings,0,5556050.story?coll=zap-news-headlines

The CW's "Smallville" also jumped six spots, from 76th to 70th.

[ClarkyBoy14]

That's good. I think. Good for the network, not so much for advertisers since I doubt too many DVR users are watching commercials.

[uhhuhhim]

This all sounds good and all, it's good for the show, but haven't they been releasing these "Live+7" ratings since 2006? What I don't get is...If these types of ratings were available since then, why are all of these networks making any significance of them now or even looking at them now and why are they even factoring this into a show's final ratings now when they weren't doing it when these types of ratings were available in '06? I sound like I'm babbling, but does anyone get what I'm trying to say? Back in 2006 when they announced they were going to start doing this, there was no mention in any of the shows...of these types of ratings...Not that I'm an expert on ratings, but it just seems stupid since we've never heard anything about them in regards to Smallville until now....Ok, I'm ranting..hopefully, someone will understand my point and reply. I just don't get how it matters if they weren't factoring these numbers in a year ago when they started providing them.

[Dannyblue1]

The reason DVR ratings seem to matter more now is because DVR ratings are now going to be considered when setting ad rates.

The amount of money an advertiser pays to run an ad during a particular timeslot is determined, in part, by the ratings shows in that timeslot have gotten. The bigger the ratings, the highter the ad prices.

Until now, DVR ratings weren't considered in setting ad prices. They were available, and some people were interested in them, but no money was really riding on it. Networks didn't really make more money off of a show getting DVRd a lot so, for example, DVR numbers weren't a big factor in whether a show was renewed.

Now that DVR ratings actually count when it comes to setting ad prices, the networks, advertisers, etc., are definately gonna care about those numbers.

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The current DVR penetration rate is currently estimated at 20%. As the number of DVR's were rising, the networks and Nielsen were looking for ways to incorporate the DVR viewers into the final ratings numbers. That is why the Live +7 is becoming more important.

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On a side note, there will also be Commercial 3 ratings. Advertisers have great interest in these as they will measure the viewers that actually watch the commercials live and in the 3 days following the live airing.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Maybe because DVR usage is at the highest it's ever been, and the networks think they can explain away where all the viewers went w/ the live + 7 numbers.

Does anyone else have a better explanation?

nvmnd

[SVsleuth]

They think I watch the commercials when I recorded a show? That's what the FFWD arrow is for. LOL

[uhhuhhim]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Now that DVR ratings actually count when it comes to setting ad prices, the networks, advertisers, etc., are definately gonna care about those numbers.

Ok, but when did they (the networks) decide that these numbers mattered if they were already available? Is there an article about it that we can read on the subject?

At any rate, it's good for the show. If it means the numbers can be slightly higher because of it, that means more Smallville for us :D

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Ok, but when did they (the networks) decide that these numbers mattered if they were already available?

It seems like Nielson actually decides whether or not something will be counted, and it's up to the networks and advertisers to decide whether they are okay with it or not. And the networks and advertisers are rarely happy about the same things, so Nielson will never please everyone. :)

For example, I think the networks have been pushing for DVR numbers to be counted for a while. The advertisers have been fighting it. After studying the issue for a few years, Nielson finally decided to start adding DVR numbers to a show's final ratings. The advertisers aren't thrilled. The networks are.

So it wasn't really up to the networks to decide DVR numbers should be counted. It was up to Nielson.

[uhhuhhim]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up, Danny. I guess this is good news for Smallville if we want to see at least one more season :)

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This might clarify what the Live 7 ratings mean.

http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=69244

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It also released a little more information about the 18-49 demo, the most important demo to advertisers.

"Smallville" grew 21.8% to a 2.16 rating.

[uhhuhhim]

Thanks for that, bestepisode. I guess we'd add 2.16 to 4.8?

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Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I guess we'd add 2.16 to 4.8?

No. That is the 18-49 demo number.

It changed from 1.9 in the finals to 2.2 in the Live 7 ratings. It is the most important demo, the one advertisers pay attention to.

[ScottM1956]

Nielson ratings on Smallville are out today.

4.8 million viewers. Ranking 82. Last weeks ranking was 84

[bizzaroboy9]

Hi, can someone post the Live +7 days dvr playback number with the final rating. can't find it.

[bizzaroboy9]

found it... it's 5.20 million

[Bingo]

found it... it's 5.20 million
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