What did Jor-El mean?/Anyone else misunderstand the training?

[sithius]

At the end, when Clark was ready for his training, I did not expect:

'Watch over Kara. See ya, son'
'Okay Pa!'

Not word for word but you get the gist. ;)

I really see no point of Kara being on his training schedule. Watch her? How the hell is that training? Why not just go 'Kal'el, go away and learn everything by yourself'.

I thought he was going to have all his training in the FOS.

[Jlandsw]

Well if Kara can already fly, then he can definitely learn something from her.

[jimmyolsenblues]

At the end, when Clark was ready for his training, I did not expect:

'Watch over Kara. See ya, son'
'Okay Pa!'

I agree. Its almost like Jor-El saying "Kal-El you can't begin your training today cause we have the rest of season 7 and God willing season 8 to film before you train".
They could have done something else, like "Concentrate and float".

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

watching over kara is the equivilent of superman watching over the planet

instead of throwing clark in at the deepend were he would feel overwhelmed as he has done in the past hes being introduced to the role of mentor and protector

that what jor-el meant his watching over kara is his training (unexpected)

["Lois I Never Lie"]

Just finished watching and a tad confused here, what exactly did Jor-El mean when he said that Kara couldnt be trusted? He even went as far to say that she poses a greater threat than Clark believes!!!!

Please tell me they are not planning on making Kara bad in this show!!!!!

[Rafael122]

I'm assuming its a slow build, I'd reckon Season 7 could get pretty dull with Clark just doing stuff. Clark watching over Kara (and in essence, protecting the world at the same time, since it seems Kara is dangerous) is a good first step.

[SVSpector]

Seems like I read something about Kara was sent by Zor'El to kill Clark...only she doesn't know it....it was programmed into her sub-conscious by Zor'El in the COMICS anyway.....someone correct me if I'm wrong! I don't know if Smallville will be the same!!

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by sithius
At the end, when Clark was ready for his training, I did not expect:

'Watch over Kara. See ya, son'
'Okay Pa!'

Not word for word but you get the gist. ;)

I really see no point of Kara being on his training schedule. Watch her? How the hell is that training? Why not just go 'Kal'el, go away and learn everything by yourself'.

I thought he was going to have all his training in the FOS.

Because training is not about fighting or learning random facts. Clark can learn many lessons form having to be a Father-figure as well as having to watch her closely to decide if she's a danger or not.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

Posted by SVSpector

Seems like I read something about Kara was sent by Zor'El to kill Clark...only she doesn't know it....it was programmed into her sub-conscious by Zor'El in the COMICS anyway.....someone correct me if I'm wrong! I don't know if Smallville will be the same!!

Never heard that one before now, but then I dont really know a lot about Supergirl, im wondering is that what the crystal is for that was taken from her ship????

[SVSpector]

I imagine the crystal she was given has the information and direction for her very similar to the one Clark received from Jor'El.

[Guidron]

According to Wikipedia's Supergirl page, there is one origin story where she was sent to earth to kill Kal-El.

"A new Supergirl series, written by Jeph Loeb, began publication in August 2005. The storyline in the first arc of Supergirl depicts a darker, evil version of Kara emerging when Lex Luthor exposes her to Black Kryptonite. The evil Supergirl implies that Kara's family sent her to earth to kill Kal-El as revenge for a family grudge; at the time, Kara herself refuses to believe this, but later flashbacks indicate that not only was this partly true but Kara had been physically altered by her father as a child before being involved in several murders on Krypton."

I wonder if Smallville is going to take this route? Especially with Kara admitting that her memories of Krypton are fuzzy due to the prolonged suspended animation...

[Joelito]

Originally posted by Guidron
According to Wikipedia's Supergirl page, there is one origin story where she was sent to earth to kill Kal-El.

"A new Supergirl series, written by Jeph Loeb, began publication in August 2005. The storyline in the first arc of Supergirl depicts a darker, evil version of Kara emerging when Lex Luthor exposes her to Black Kryptonite. The evil Supergirl implies that Kara's family sent her to earth to kill Kal-El as revenge for a family grudge; at the time, Kara herself refuses to believe this, but later flashbacks indicate that not only was this partly true but Kara had been physically altered by her father as a child before being involved in several murders on Krypton."

I wonder if Smallville is going to take this route? Especially with Kara admitting that her memories of Krypton are fuzzy due to the prolonged suspended animation...
Everyone can write on wikipedia, it's been stated...anyway...I still belive more that Kara was sent for another reasons than kill Kal-El.

[Rafael122]

I think it's pretty ironic that Clark is teaching Kara how to live on Earth, when Clark still feels he doesn't quite fit in himself. Great stuff.

[Guidron]

Sure anyone can write on wikipedia, but I was merely supporting SVSpector's comment about there being a version of Supergirl that was sent to kill Kal-El.

We'll still have to wait to find out why Kara was sent to Smallville.

[Ilovebeinglost]

I think he said "your training starts with Kara"

Jor el said that zor el can't be trusted and neither can his daughter. So safe to say we have Clark around for another season

[xrayvision]

I think he meant that Clark learning the truth about Zor-El and how he was Zod's partner (according to my theory) in the destruction of Krypton is his first step.

I am now thinking that Kara's ship is what was supposed to attract Brainiac to Earth (which is what Genevieve's blood on the stone did) so that Brainiac & Kara would rule Earth and open the PZ to unleash Zod & maybe Zor-El, but that their plan failed since Zor-El was never able to make it to the PZ to save himself like Jor-El did with Raya (or perhaps he did!).

Notice how Kara's & Brainiac's ship were the same except for the color (Kara's is red, Brainiac's is black).

Here is a thread containing my theories:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79398

[MackLove]

If Jor-el really didn't know about Kara's arrival as he said, then how could it be a part of this much anticipated training?

And what were we expecting with the training anyway?

And how can he watch over her when he can't keep up with her?

And how does Jor-el have NEW things to say? I thought it was all pre-programmed.

No further questions.

[ClarksGal]

Jeff Loeb has been a contributor to this show in the past. I think putting in a Jeff Loeb story would be a nod to him in some way. I am getting the impression that the blue crystal with Zor-El's directive will have something to do with destroying Clark, even though Kara doesn't know it. If Zor El told Kara that, in the middle of a civil war, the salvation of Krytpon was on Earth between her and Kal El, that sounds to me like he was sending Kara to kill Clark to aid the victory of the side against Jor El. They were clearly on opposite sides of the civil war.

Personally, I think this is a neat backstory.

[Jephael]

It's alien technology for one thing. Jor-El not only downloaded his knowledge of all things about the universe and beyond, he also must've programmed well over a thousand what-if scenarios to help teach Clark.

[MackLove]

^^Hmmm nice.

I was thinking that the crystal was similar to Clark's because it was said that it is was learning purposes, but perhaps were J-el wanted Clark to carry on the legacy on earth, Z-el wasn't expecting the planet to blow and sent Kara to kill Clark as a battle tactic.

Kara knew Clarkas a baby on Krypton, so maybe she was a spy for her father, which makes sense in Loeb's storyline. Because how else would Z-el have known to send her to earth to find Clark? J-el sent him in total secrecy at the last moment.

[Billy Jor-El]

Slightly OT, but is Kara from Kandor in the comics? I can't remember. I do recall the Bottle City of Kandor from stuff I read eons ago, it was cool to hear Kandor mentioned.

[MackLove]

I don't so. I am not familiar with the newer comics though

[Patient101]

Scientists are always talking about how the brain is just a complex computer and how they are on the brink of being able dump a mind into the computer to save someone if the their body is beyond repair. Krypton is much more advanced than earth so Jor-El could have easily just dumped his mind into his crystals and he lives on in the crystals....

[superhippie2000]

i think since jor el considers his brother evil then he figures all spawn of his brother are going to be just like him and be evil. kara was telling clark has she used to sneak away from kandor and visit lara and help take care or clark. so i think kara is ment to be good otherwise she could have just killed clark then when she had the chance on krypton. i think jor el also ment she was a threat because she is new on earth and seeing how she isnt as secretive as clark she will make herself obvious and also if she learns about the fortress she may try to take control of it over clark and use it for herself and not to save the planet.

[kryptonaidxh]

:) I hope writters make Kara bad, because she always been a heroine, I don´think they do the same that lana, Kara is a hero, she must act such like that.:)

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by MackLove
If Jor-el really didn't know about Kara's arrival as he said, then how could it be a part of this much anticipated training?

Any civilization as advanced as Krypton is going to understand that even though you go in with a lesson-plan, you should always be able to adapt that lesson to the situation at hand. Jor-El is making Kara a part of his training, even if it wasn't meant to be before.

[Nazmul]

I think Zor El sent Kara to earth, so that Kara and KalEl could rule earth and make earth the new Krypton.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

You may have something there Nazmul, I think Clarks biggest task is teaching Kara humility and how to care for humans instead of casting them aside as lower beings which seemed to be the way she acted in this episode even down to wrecking the lift doors because they didnt open quick enough, going by all that I think CK is really going to have his work cut out for him looking after her and making sure she stays under the radar!!!

[Morbo]

If Kal-el was sent to earth just prior to the destruction of krypton and Kara was send to earth to find Kal-El. How come she doesn't know Krypton is destroyed?

Either she was launched prior to Kal-El's launch (how did Zor-El knew Kal-El would be sent to earth)?

Or she was sent after Kal-El's launch, but in that case she should have known about kryptons destruction?

[afireinside]

my theory is that all that has happened and all that will happen to clark is his training. no fos to sum it all up and give him the answers. this is his training......watch this space

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Morbo
If Kal-el was sent to earth just prior to the destruction of krypton and Kara was send to earth to find Kal-El. How come she doesn't know Krypton is destroyed?

Either she was launched prior to Kal-El's launch (how did Zor-El knew Kal-El would be sent to earth)?

Or she was sent after Kal-El's launch, but in that case she should have known about kryptons destruction?

I think Zor-El lied to her about why he was sending her. He probably found out about Krypton's imminent destruction (remember Kara said there were rumors of a doomsday scenario) and Jor-El's plan to send Kal-El there. Zor-El likely sent her saying that he wanted her to look after Kal-El, but in reality the crystal is meant to do something more sinister.

[Mello Penelo]

I think Clark looking after Kara as part of his training is a great idea. I'm glad his training isn't consisting of being downloaded while cloistered away in the FOS.

His training is real-world experience, not being a hard drive for Jor-El.

[Superbeard]

"You must complete your training, Kal-El."
"How long's it gonna take?"
"Oh, only about five, ten minutes."

We still don't know how long he's gonna be at this. Given that it's Kryptonian technology we're talking about, I think it's a safe bet to say it'll be pretty quick, a few days at most. Why couldn't he just say "Well, I'm goin' up north for the weekend!" in earlier seasons and just get it out of the way? I really hope it isn't something lame like several years like in Superman I....

Then again, every time my dad tells me to do something, no matter how fun or not fun it is, I know I'm prone to procrastinate too, so I guess I can't blame him. :p

[pizzaguy19]

Originally posted by Morbo
If Kal-el was sent to earth just prior to the destruction of krypton and Kara was send to earth to find Kal-El. How come she doesn't know Krypton is destroyed?

Either she was launched prior to Kal-El's launch (how did Zor-El knew Kal-El would be sent to earth)?

Or she was sent after Kal-El's launch, but in that case she should have known about kryptons destruction?

Yea the timeline there seemed a little fuzzy. She's gotta be pretty dense to be sent AFTER Kal-El (who was supposed to barely escape, right? Seeing as he's the "last son of Krypton" and all), but still have only "heard rumors of a doomsday plan, never imagined it would be used." Especially considering we think her side was the bad side, the side that blew up the planet in the first place.

Maybe she was hidden away in the countryside for a few years, Zor-El found out Jor-El had sent his son off, and sent Kara after him to kill him, with her none the wiser as to what was actually going on anywhere on Krypton.

:confused:

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Yea the timeline there seemed a little fuzzy. She's gotta be pretty dense to be sent AFTER Kal-El (who was supposed to barely escape, right? Seeing as he's the "last son of Krypton" and all), but still have only "heard rumors of a doomsday plan, never imagined it would be used." Especially considering we think her side was the bad side, the side that blew up the planet in the first place.

Maybe she was hidden away in the countryside for a few years, Zor-El found out Jor-El had sent his son off, and sent Kara after him to kill him, with her none the wiser as to what was actually going on anywhere on Krypton.

:confused:

Remember that in some versions (Superman: The Movie comes to mind) the "council" didn't believe him about Krypton being blown up. Jor-El had to prepare the spaceship and everything before launching Kal-El, so he probably had the plan in motion long before the actual event started. If no one on the council believed Jor-El then Kara probably had no reason to believe him either, if she even knew that he believed it was going to happen. So Jor-El had the plan to send Kal-El even though no one believed him, Zor-El learned of it, and when the planet started to blow, Jor-El launched Kal-El and Zor-El convinced Kara that she needed to go watch after him, probably using the civil war as an excuse. She was probably told that Kal-El was being sent to Earth to protect him from the vents of Zod's war.

[Superbeard]

I felt bad for Kara when she found out.

But yeah, I doubt Kara would've been willing to go if she knew she was leaving everybody behind to die. Zor-El had to make up some kind of excuse.

[Superboy2]

She could be a higher danger, cause Zor-El and Zod could have been in league with each other, and she needs to keep Clark's trust so she won't say too much about Zod and Zor-El teaming up. Also, like in the comics, she could have been sent there to kill Clark.

[freefall]

Originally posted by sithius
At the end, when Clark was ready for his training, I did not expect:

'Watch over Kara. See ya, son'
'Okay Pa!'

Not word for word but you get the gist. ;)

I really see no point of Kara being on his training schedule. Watch her? How the hell is that training? Why not just go 'Kal'el, go away and learn everything by yourself'.

I thought he was going to have all his training in the FOS.

Yeah I thought it was weird too, and I think I'm the only one who finds it a bit funny that it almost seemed like Jor-El was trying to save face because for such an omniscient and oh so powerful being, he didn't have a freaking clue that his niece had been sent to Earth along with his own son.

I love the idea of watching over Kara being a part of his training, but since there's no reason to assume that's even a part of whatever kind of training Jor-El has in mind for him like you have pointed out, I think it's just a tad bit too convenient that Kara comes along just as Clark was ready to start his training.

I'd bet you anything that if there's no Kara, Jor-El would have just immediately start downloading stuff into him like Arrival and that episode from S2.

[BWOracle]

Very simple answer guys:

To keep Clark in Smallville. He leaves Smallville, the show ends.

Clever of the TPTB, huh?

[phelan120]

jeph loeb did reintroduce supergirl in batman/ superman in 2004 or so. She had amnesia and only new that she was to meat her baby cousin. Batman being batman didn't trust her and arranged for wonder woman and the amazons to "Kidnap" her from clark because he thought clark was to close and niave to see the potential danger. She went to thymescara and learned the ways of the world under wonder woman's care and made great friends with the amazons. Ironically, the current incarnation of supergirl is more closely related to the wonder woman "family" of books than the superman "family". On paradise island, darkseid strikes and kidnaps supergirl and brain washes her and turns her against her cousin.

shortly afetr this arc, loeb launched a supergirl book w/ ian churchill penciling it. tthe first story arc revealed that darksied had not in fact brain washed her but unlocked memories blocked by her amnesia. this was about 05 or so and it was indicated that jor-el and zor-el where something of the cain and able of krypton. insanely jealuse of each other and there sucesses. Zor-el had trained kara to kill Kal-el and end jor-el's lineage so that zor-el's could take the top seat in the house of el. and the means of kal-el's death was... you guessed it, a dagger like crystal. this arc ended in 06. then there was a short run of 4 or 5 issues that where part of dc's company wide "one year later" event that set up the weekly comic 52 that filled in the events of th "missing" year in real time.

then the nightmare began. Joe kelly's attrocious run as writer. He retconned a story less than a year old and wrote the stupidest reason for krypton's destruction ever. he told the story through zor-el's eyes as he pleaded with jor-el to stop experimenting with a new dimension he discovered, The phantom zone!!! jor-el wouldn't listen and continued to build the phantom zone ray. As prisoners where sent to phantom zone they discovered they could posses normal kryptonians!!! Zor-el, in his infinte wisdom, was the only kryptonian alive who could see the phantoms atach to the living!!! until his daughtter gained this amazing ability. The experimentation someone mentioned was to "insert?" kryptonian crystal tech into her (HUH) to prevent the phantom's from being able to take control of her. (I know, makes no sense) Then we discover that by opening a door to phantom zone, jor-el had opened pandora's box. two levels of existence that where never meant to exist side by side colided and this destroyed krypton!!!! theorizing that this would happen (i know, ridiculous, but bear with me, it get's more crap tastic) zor-el plans to send his daughter afetr baby kal-el to kill him because he belives the phantom's wil follow kal-el to earth and earth will suffer the same fate. and guess what!! the phantom's follow Kal-el. we have an entire issue of earth zombies possesed by phantom's!!! But wait... there's still hope for mankind!!! if kara kills the now grown up superman, it will right the cosmic scales and earth will return to normal and the phantoms will dissapear!! awesome dude!!! go kara!! but wait!!! plot twist time, and this is a real empire strikes back moment!!! All of this may have never happened and been just in kara's head!!! that's right folks!! i don't know if sshe's suppose to be skytzo or still amnesiac or what. only the great writer joe kelly can tell us what the hell was going on!!

[Spirit Detective]

The point of this is to teach Clark discipline. Maybe a bonus from watching over Kara is learning how to fly.

[vikingjedi]

Who would you trust - Jor-El or Kara?

After everything I've seen Kara is the one I would believe. Jor-El lies to Clark all the time and tries to manipulate him

[phelan120]

i'd be willing to bet you the reason here memories are fuzzy is because she gonna have orders to kill kal-el. they've already done the phantom's possesing people

[milton fine]

we got a glimse of jor els training in the season 5 premire arrival when clark is in that force feild in the fortress and chloe is freezing and clark breaks the training, anyway thats what clark was gonna continue untill he brought up kara and jor els brother zor el, then jor el changed the training to watching over kara, maybe since clark defended her and said shes nothing like her father that jor el thought clark wasnt ready yet i guess and needed to study this last task before training, at least thats what i thought from his snap decision he made.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Joelito
Everyone can write on wikipedia

Everyone can write on the K-site forums too, but we still read each other's comments...

[Primal Slayer]

In the end of Supergirls origin arc, it is revealed that she was supposed to kill Kal-El in order to save Earth and end the phantoms from possessing people trying to get revenge on The House of El.

[TampaVille]

I hope they don't go that route... As somebody else pointed out on this thread, they already did the phantoms thing.

[Ardiem3]

Since Zor-El was evil in Jor-El's eyes, Clark sees it as essential for Clark to watch over Kara to make sure she dosent do anything dangerous, that he may believe shell do. Clark has had many tests/journeys in his destiny from Jor-El and to look after her, is to see if he can adapt/learn anything/grow stronger from her.

[Spirit Detective]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
Who would you trust - Jor-El or Kara?

After everything I've seen Kara is the one I would believe. Jor-El lies to Clark all the time and tries to manipulate him

Jor-El's warnings have almost always been right.

[vikingjedi]

But who says Jor-El isn't behind the whole thing? He almost killed JK to get Clark to train at the end of season 3. Then after he got a hold of Clark he brainwashed him to find the 3 stones to create the FOS. When Clark didn't find them all of a sudden a dark force was unleashed on Earth. Why? For what reason were the disciples of zod sent to Earth right then? It caused Clark to forceably unite the 3 stones. Interestingly enough Brainiacs plan was to free Zod using the FOS so it had to be created

A second time when Clark was going to train he decided to save Chloe's life instead and Jor-El punished him by making him mortal. Then after Clark was murdered by a lunatic Jor-El took power like God or something and brought Clark back to life while causing Lana and then later JK to die. Why should Jor-El choose who lives and dies?

At the end of season 5 Jor-El tells Clark to murder Lex in cold blood with a special dagger that just so happens to be in the FOS. In the end it's what frees Zod

I don't trust Jor-El at all. He hasn't given Clark the information he needs and I think there's a huge reason for that....its not Jor-El

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
I don't trust Jor-El at all. He hasn't given Clark the information he needs and I think there's a huge reason for that....its not Jor-El

As a huge theory I posted in the speculation forum says, perhaps because it's not Jor-El in there, or ever was him to begin with. Maybe it's Zor-El who was always in the cave/ship/FOS. It would explain the cruelty and ruthlessness. And if I'm right, this is the first time Zor-El would feel threatened in a way where Clark won't protect Zor-El's will from being overridden with the will of Jor-El if Clark finds out the truth that it was always Zor-El in the FOS. Against Brainiac, Clark came to prevent that from happening, but this time if Jor-El's will is finally threatening his existence, he is certain to protect himself.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

I think there’s something to this, Ive always thought that the voice in the Fortress wasn’t Jor-El and there would be a whole story to it, maybe its time to tell that story now as a lot of people think that this will be the last season!!!

Ive always thought this because of who they asked to voice Jor-El, why choose Terence Stamp the guy who played the original Zod in the movies, makes no sense unless you’re throwing out a very subtle hint that is.........

Only time will tell

[chantal]

Originally posted by Superbeard
"You must complete your training, Kal-El."
"How long's it gonna take?"
"Oh, only about five, ten minutes."

We still don't know how long he's gonna be at this. Given that it's Kryptonian technology we're talking about, I think it's a safe bet to say it'll be pretty quick, a few days at most. Why couldn't he just say "Well, I'm goin' up north for the weekend!" in earlier seasons and just get it out of the way? I really hope it isn't something lame like several years like in Superman I....


In Superman I it was "12 earth years" so that Clark could go to the fortress as a teenage boy and emerge as Christopher Reeve.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by TampaVille
Everyone can write on the K-site forums too, but we still read each other's comments...

What he's saying is Wikipedia can't be used as a legitimate source because anyone can edit it. If it were locked only to developers, like any other on-line encyclopedia, it would be considered legitmate. There are tales of politicians altering their pages to make them look "more campaignable." And that can't be trusted.

I know for a fact I've seen a lot of errors on there. If you try to fix them, even with a legitimate source to back up your information, most of the time, they're changed back to the erroneous way it was originally posted.

[TampaVille]

The show has been sufficiently vague that they can give us just about anything as his "training." They've always implied it would be Clark sitting in a trance in the Fortress with holograms floating around him, but they never actually said it. I suspect even Clark thought that was what his training would be like, since he set his affairs in order and planned to leave SV. But, perhaps that was only to be a small portion of his training, and the rest would take place out on earth in general. There is much he can learn from Kara, both directly and through his stewardship over her.


Originally posted by Mello Penelo
What he's saying is Wikipedia can't be used as a legitimate source because anyone can edit it. If it were locked only to developers, like any other on-line encyclopedia, it would be considered legitmate. There are tales of politicians altering their pages to make them look "more campaignable." And that can't be trusted.

I know for a fact I've seen a lot of errors on there. If you try to fix them, even with a legitimate source to back up your information, most of the time, they're changed back to the erroneous way it was originally posted.

This is the wrong forum to be discussing Wikipedia. It's an intriguing matter though. If you are interested, Wikipedia itself has the appropriate pages (both entries and discussion pages) set up where you can take part in this type of discussion.

[Mello Penelo]

I'm not the one who brought it up.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Remember that in some versions (Superman: The Movie comes to mind) the "council" didn't believe him about Krypton being blown up. Jor-El had to prepare the spaceship and everything before launching Kal-El, so he probably had the plan in motion long before the actual event started. If no one on the council believed Jor-El then Kara probably had no reason to believe him either, if she even knew that he believed it was going to happen. So Jor-El had the plan to send Kal-El even though no one believed him, Zor-El learned of it, and when the planet started to blow, Jor-El launched Kal-El and Zor-El convinced Kara that she needed to go watch after him, probably using the civil war as an excuse. She was probably told that Kal-El was being sent to Earth to protect him from the vents of Zod's war.

Excellent point Midgard. I might even back it up a bit. Imagine an American, sent off into space in suspended animation on December 6, 1941. Even if associated with the American military, they certainly wouldn't know the intimate details of Japan's plans for the following day. Most Japanese wouldn't know those details either. It's pretty conceivable that Zod (and/or Zor-el) could have planned to activate the doomsday scenario and Kara wouldn't know about it.


Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I'm not the one who brought it up.


Neither am I.

Whoever did bring it up (just went back to find it, it was Guidron) though wasn't wrong to do so. There's nothing wrong with mentioning Wikipedia in this forum, nor is there anything wrong with citing it as a reference. Discussing its inner workings belongs somewhere else though. I urge anybody with any interest to go wikipedia wikipedia itself and read around. The general consensus is that it is far more reliable than you made it out to be. Again, though, I won't go into more detail here. =)

I will even defend Guidron. When I butted my nose into this whole ever-more-ridiculous discussion of Wikipedia, I pointed out that anybody can post on the K-site forum, yet we give one another enough credibility to at least read the information we post.

True, whoever wrote that information on Wikipedia could have been making it up. Just as every one of us posting on the K-site forums might be making our information up. All the time people ask questions on the K-site forums, and get answers which they trust. Why trust them? Anybody could be posting! And yet, the information is considered somewhat reliable.

The information Guidron posted was not about a politician or a contraversial religious sect. It was about Supergirl. Combine the fact that it is an utterly uncontroversial topic with the relatively effective work of the Wikipedia moderators, as well as the general atmosphere of sharing relevant information prevalant on that site... it's probably fairly trustworthy source for the blurb Guidron quoted.

Imagine somebody posted on the K-site forum the same information, but said, "I just read the Supergirl comics, and here's what I found." Would you grow automatically suspicious of that information, just because you didn't personally know the person posting? I hope not! :)

[Serynarpc]

I don't see Kara teaching Clark how to fly. She's a smug little brat who seems emotionally and intellectually stunted.

"That's what happens when you touch my stuff?!'

Perhaps in teaching Kara about earth- and super hearing- Clark is supposed to learn something more powerful than the yellow sun is the grandaddy of 'em all.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

Serynarpc its already been said by the PTB that Kara will give CK flying lessons so that's deff on the agenda for the series and as ive already posted in another forum if its done right this could be a great comedy moment!!