Jor-El or Not Jor-El, That is the question!

[KryptoKnight]

I never liked the implication that Zor-El was evil as mentioned in spoilers. I still don't. And something about the conversation in the FoS just sounded wrong. Jor-El warning Clark about Kara made me think Clark should be cautious about who might actually be speaking.
While listening to "Jor-El" I noticed the crystal pillars looked dark and foreboding. Maybe the FoS is actually not rebuilt to the form of purity which it once was. Maybe the FoS is actually now an evil entity.
Any chance anyone agrees?

[paolinki25]

You know, I didn't think about this, but you might be onto something. Perhaps it'll have to do with **hightlight spoiler***Brainiac's impending return

[xrayvision]

I posted something that shows what I think could happen:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79398

[SSJConan]

Well, it was Brainiac's hard-drive energy that restored it. Maybe our favorite InterActive Construct is calling the shots with Jor-El's voice? We'll see...

[IvlevK]

interesting theory... but I think that bad boy is Kara/Zor-el. Kara may be pretending

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Whatever her initial intentions on earth, she is going to become Clarks ally later in life when he's Superman, so i think we can safely assume, in general, she isn't evil and Jor-El is mistaken.

[LODGE4]

When I first read the spoilers about JorR-El telling Clark that Zor-El is evil/Kara is dangerous my first thought was -IT MUST BE BRAINIAC - They wouldn't mess up the mythos by making Kara evil.
When I saw the episode last night I thought It didn't even sound like Joe-El !!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by TheANIMAL (marcus)
Whatever her initial intentions on earth, she is going to become Clarks ally later in life when he's Superman, so i think we can safely assume, in general, she isn't evil and Jor-El is mistaken.

I don't think she is evil or that Jor-El is mistaken. I think Zor-El is evil and has bad intentions for Kara that she doesn't know about. I think his plans are for her to place that crystal in the FOS so that his will takes it over and possibly releases him from the Phantom Zone (if he's stuck there like Raya was) and was also to release Zod from the PZ.

It's weird how Kara knew Clark was being sent out in a ship as a freakin' infant and not know why. I think Zor-El is the bad one and Jor-El is having Clark play it safe by not trusting her either.

I outlined my theory and the signs that support it here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79398

and here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3357040#post3357040

[HowardFilms]

Nah, Kara and Zor-El are just misunderstood. Zor-El and Jor-El just argued over the Phantom Zone and the impending danger of Krypton. Zor-El believed Jor-El about Krypton's destruction when no one else did, but he thought the Zone was inherently evil as opposed to Jor-El who just thought it as a big vessel they could all take to Earth or whatever.

It's the plotline of the modern Supergirl in the comics, and I expect it will be followed pretty closely. (Well, minus all the DCU stuff like training with Wonder Woman, and knowing Batman, but the general premise seems to be the same). In the end, people in SV will one by one turn against her - starting with Jor-El apparently - and Clark will stand by her, and she'll turn out to be a good guy.

[vikingjedi]

Jor-El is not the real deal. It would suck if he was. What kind of father brainwashes his son?

Maybe Kara helps Clark realize that this isnt the real Jor-El, that would be cool

[xrayvision]

I came up with this for all you who think what we've been told is Jor-El is actually not him:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79480

[jogannath]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
Jor-El is not the real deal. It would suck if he was. What kind of father brainwashes his son?

Maybe Kara helps Clark realize that this isnt the real Jor-El, that would be cool

Lionel Luthor.

[Sweetie]

I thought that was really strange that Jor-El would talk like that about his brother and niece.I think it sounds like a Brainiac's idea to give Clark wrong infos again.The last time that we saw him he was stabbed by a crystal and vanished.We never knew what really happenned to him.He couldn't be dead just like that.My guess he is trying to energize with the FOS to come back to kill Clark & Kara.It would be cool if he uses Bizzaro to help him this time.

[chlo-el]

My dad had this theory that Jor-el was really Zod and that's why after Zod was defeated the fortress died but it doesn't make any sense now. But Jor-el could be Brainiac.

[milton fine]

Originally posted by SSJConan
Well, it was Brainiac's hard-drive energy that restored it. Maybe our favorite InterActive Construct is calling the shots with Jor-El's voice? We'll see... he he that would be cool

[Pimson]

I think it was Jor-El, because if it was Zor-El or Brainiac, and Zor-El was evil, why would any of them claim that Kara poses a threat?

If it was Jor-El, and Zor-El was evil, and they didn't talk to each other etc, then it's understandable why Jor-El believes Kara poses a big threat. (Although she probably doesn't, since she doesn't know whatever her father planned, and neither do we, yet)

[limi]

I agree with Pimson, if the FOS is in the control of someone/thing who's planning to use Kara to hurt Clark, they wouldn't warn him about it...

[Heroes]

well the braniac theory could be correct cause braniac can surivive even if there is a minut peice of him anywhere and we ready dont know why the energy from zod would restart the fortress maybe it didnt restart it but gave it a ZoD virus

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Pimson
I think it was Jor-El, because if it was Zor-El or Brainiac, and Zor-El was evil, why would any of them claim that Kara poses a threat?

Because they don't want Clark & Kara teaming up.

[Mello Penelo]

Jor-El has sucked since he first appeared on Smallville. He's not supposed to be a bad guy, but every time Clark talks to him, they treat each other like crap. Jor-El should have been written properly from the start and Clark not act like a dick every time they had to speak.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Jor-El has sucked since he first appeared on Smallville. He's not supposed to be a bad guy, but every time Clark talks to him, they treat each other like crap. Jor-El should have been written properly from the start and Clark not act like a dick every time they had to speak.


I guess we all confused too.In the begining,it was the real Jor-El who told Clark to start his training but,Clark didn't listen to him.In meantime,Brainiac arrived,put a virus in the FOS and took Jor-El's place to fool Clark.It's him right now who is still alive and want to give Clark the wrong infos again.The crystals of the FOS were dark and not active at all.It really strange that he told Clark to got check on Kara instead of starting his training...Jor-El always told Clark that it was the most important thing for him to do and now he says a totally different thing.There's something fishy going on.Lionel has the real Jor-El's spirit in him(why Jor-El would need Lionel if he was really him in the FOS?).That's why Lionel became a new man.The thing is Lionel is missing,Clark can't be warned this time.I hope he will find Lionel soon before it's too late.

[Mello Penelo]

See, I don't really agree. I think it is still the real Jor-El, because the attitude has never changed, regardless of Braniac being in there.

The writers really shocked me when they said the first part of his training was to keep an eye on Kara. I didn't agree with Clark being cloistered away in the Fortress of Solitude for years at a time like in the movie. Jor-El has given him an assignment, which is important.

While I do think Clark needs to be told about the history of Krypton, I don't think his training consists of being downloaded with all the knowledge held in the Fortress. His training should consist of assignments undertaken around the world.

I mean, Clark fought Zod, Braniac, Titan and to an extent, Bizzaro all by himself. In my book that qualifies as training.