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Minela

10-04-2007, 09:02 PM

I don't want to hear this "undeserving cousin" stuff. Come on, be fair. I know you love Chloe and she is the saint of Smallville who shouldn't be put down by anybody, but seriously. She wrote for a HIGH SCHOOL paper (and was fired from it once for using it as her personal tabloid), now she writes filler stuff for the Planet. She needed that kick in the butt. Grant obviously saw the kind of fire in Lois that he wants from his staff when he heard Lois defending her story to Chloe (and Chloe trying to make her not write it *to protect Clark once more*), he wanted that kind of spunk and charisma on his staff. She took his challange, he loved her writing and Shazzzam! she is on the Planat staff.

I'm looking forward to the competition. I think it is a brilliant set up by TBTP since they are aware of the big Chloe following and they want both Lois and Chloe fan camps to tune into the showdown. Ratings galore.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 09:05 PM

Lois didn't deserve it :p even Chloe was like "WTF?!" when grant offered Lois the job out of nothing...

But hey... Chloe was hired by the Editor in Chief... Lois was hired by the floor editor

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Woo. Me thinks her fire has just be reignited by the unearned hiring of her less qualified cousin.

All I can say is Bring It On!

Let the games begin!

BRING IT B..uhhh...BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE!!! :lol:

Total underdog now. This season has me excited. I was getting sick of podChloe.

MsSullivan

10-04-2007, 09:07 PM

oh Chloe naming Supergirl? How awesome was that? She is so close to naming SuperClark :D

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by MsSullivan
oh Chloe naming Supergirl? How awesome was that? She is so close to naming SuperClark :D

Shes named pretty much all the iconic characters on this show hasn't she? Except for Lana's "Super man" in the pilot...Chloe's done Green Arrow and Supergirl and...well I dont know....but its cool. :lol:

newfamfan

10-04-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Minela
I don't want to hear this "undeserving cousin" stuff. Come on, be fair. I know you love Chloe and she is the saint of Smallville who shouldn't be put down by anybody, but seriously. She wrote for a HIGH SCHOOL paper (and was fired from it once for using it as her personal tabloid), now she writes filler stuff for the Planet. She needed that kick in the butt. Grant obviously saw the kind of fire in Lois that he wants from his staff when he heard Lois defending her story to Chloe (and Chloe trying to make her not write it *to protect Clark once more*), he wanted that kind of spunk and charisma on his staff. She took his challange, he loved her writing and Shazzzam! she is on the Planat staff.

I'm looking forward to the competition. I think it is a brilliant set up by TBTP since they are aware of the big Chloe following and they want both Lois and Chloe fan camps to tune into the showdown. Ratings galore.

I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

Wow. I...you're a Clana fan? But...but you're cool!!!!:lol: Well I pretty much agree with everything you said...

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 09:24 PM

Chiriru

10-04-2007, 09:24 PM

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable.

Exactly.

And it was so obvious, and so blatant that even my brother (whom used to be pretty neutral about EDLo all last year) came off the same way you feel here, and thinks Something Is UP with Grant. Definitely on purpose, here, I think to get people to pick a side.

MsSullivan

10-04-2007, 10:42 PM

^^^ My sister did the same thing...its such a wonderful set up

OliviaB

10-05-2007, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Woo. Me thinks her fire has just be reignited by the unearned hiring of her less qualified cousin.

All I can say is Bring It On!

Let the games begin!

Discuss. :p

Heee, I couldn't have put it better! Grant knows everything about Chloe, and knows *nothing* about EDLois. Passion? For her name in lights because that's all it took from Grant to make EDLois forget about Chloe's feelings and accept the job from Grant. The most telling thing? EDLois didn't want to write the story for the DP, she was all set to do it for the Inquisitor, but it's the thought of her name in lights that got her to change sides and hand in a story to Grant even as she was proclaiming to Chloe she shouldn't have tried for the story. She's all about the fame, and nothing of the real stuff of the DP. She coasted in on an ep that was all about handing her everything one after the other neatly setting Chloe up as the underdog in this story.

Watching her eat Chloe's dust as was mentioned above? I can't wait.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 01:12 AM

Disagree about the "unearned" but I too hope it's a starting gun for Chloe in some capacity. Bring on the rivalry AND the love. :p

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Shes named pretty much all the iconic characters on this show hasn't she? Except for Lana's "Super man" in the pilot...Chloe's done Green Arrow and Supergirl and...well I dont know....but its cool. :lol:

Chloe did not name Green Arrow, Lois did.

Serynarpc

10-05-2007, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Lois didn't deserve it :p even Chloe was like "WTF?!" when grant offered Lois the job out of nothing...

But hey... Chloe was hired by the Editor in Chief... Lois was hired by the floor editor

I agree. Chloe has the experience from high school- even from Lana trying to steal the spotlight- to draw from.
She developed a kick butt story and was bitten by a Lana- vamp just to get the research for the story.

Lois walks in with a 'check me out' outfit and a smart mouth, and she's hired.

Its the Torch & Lana all over again and we remember how Chloe handles competition. Bring it :D

BobMalooga

10-05-2007, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe?

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

It's obvious that Grant wants something from Lois and it's not a story...I agree with your thoughts on the character, so far she hasn't earned what she's gotten and I'm a little concerned that they're going to mention the story that Chloe filed under her name ages ago as 'her' previous work at the Planet.

Keith

heavens_cry

10-05-2007, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01
Chloe did not name Green Arrow, Lois did.

No, I believe Lois came up with some funny one that had green in it, but not green arrow..

Chloe came up with the name in that ep..

I cant wait till Chloe starts kicking some butt :p

gogeta

10-05-2007, 04:37 AM

Bring on the rivalry!

Grant was so dismissive and nasty, it was clear to me that this setup will bring out Chloe's fierce competitive side.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by heavens_cry
No, I believe Lois came up with some funny one that had green in it, but not green arrow..

Chloe came up with the name in that ep..

*sigh* No. LOIS came up with the name - the full one she picked was "Green Arrow Bandit." Everyone just *shortened* it to "Green Arrow" and all *Chloe* did was comment that everyone was calling him Green Arrow after Lois named him that, but that the full name Lois gave him was too wordy. That's it. And by the time Chloe comment on the full name, everyone had already shortened it to just "Green Arrow."

Lois named Green Arrow. Period.

hanemg

10-05-2007, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Lois didn't deserve it :p even Chloe was like "WTF?!" when grant offered Lois the job out of nothing...

The funny part about that whole thing was that the “WTF?!” moment came within seconds of her defending Lois and begging Grant to give her a second chance. Then when Grant reveals that no second chance is needed because she’s in Chloe’s face drops.

I don’t mean to cast mud, but doesn’t that appear just a bit disingenuous to anyone else? “Please give her a second chance,” but when he does “WTF?!”

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
But hey... Chloe was hired by the Editor in Chief... Lois was hired by the floor editor

Weak, aqgalaxy, and beneath you.

Originally posted by newfamfan
Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet.
Actually, she only interned there for 1 summer before being offered a column while still in high school for selling out her friend.

Originally posted by Serynarpc
I agree. Chloe has the experience from high school- even from Lana trying to steal the spotlight- to draw from.

Uh, Lana didn’t “steal” any spotlight from Chloe. She was standing there defending Chloe when Kwan gave her the editor’s job. And then her first story was what got Chloe her job back.

Originally posted by Serynarpc
Its the Torch & Lana all over again and we remember how Chloe handles competition. Bring it :D
Well, if memory serves from that episode she handled it by running from the room crying.

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

Wow. I...you're a Clana fan? But...but you're cool!!!! Well I pretty much agree with everything you said...

I know! It's it weird? A Clana fan saying something I agree with. :O

Time for Chloe to show you can stick up for your friends' secrets AND the truth while still being a kickass journalist. Go Chloe!

ChlarkMe

10-05-2007, 05:26 AM

I'm looking forward to the scene where Chloe takes off the shirt with the tire tracks and goes from totally confused to angry and ready to fight for her dream.

Please note: This is directed at Grant not Lois.

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by hanemg
The funny part about that whole thing was that the “WTF?!” moment came within seconds of her defending Lois and begging Grant to give her a second chance. Then when Grant reveals that no second chance is needed because she’s in Chloe’s face drops.

I don’t mean to cast mud, but doesn’t that appear just a bit disingenuous to anyone else? “Please give her a second chance,” but when he does “WTF?!”

Weak, aqgalaxy, and beneath you.

No she went "WTF" When they first met and he told Lois "bring me the story and you have a job here..."

And it isn't weak bello, it's cannon and it says a lot...

hanemg

10-05-2007, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
No she went "WTF" When they first met and he told Lois "bring me the story and you have a job here..."

And it isn't weak bello, it's cannon and it says a lot...
Watch it again. She still has a reaction of surprise after Grant hires Lois even though seconds before she's asking him to give Lois a second chance. She certainly didn't appear happy about the situation and if you ask someone to do something and then aren't happy when they do I can only assume that you really didn't think they would and so were just giving lip service to the entire idea.

And it is weak because it's like saying my daddy can beat up your daddy. You're best argument is that Chloe was hired by a bigger editor? Like I said elsewhere, sour grapes.

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 06:15 AM

First off My daddy is dead... so what's the point in saying that?

I am just saying Chloe was indeed hired by a bigger editor... it isn't weak it's the truth.. if you don't like it hey not my problem.. I would think a weak argument would be saying my Opinion is wrong

Also I did watch it again, I watched it 3 times so far... I was saying the "WTF" happened at the first encounter... that's what I was implying... Also what's messed up in that opening scene... the editor assigned Lois a story and didn't order Chloe to do anything... just bashed her.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by hanemg
Watch it again. She still has a reaction of surprise after Grant hires Lois even though seconds before she's asking him to give Lois a second chance. She certainly didn't appear happy about the situation and if you ask someone to do something and then aren't happy when they do I can only assume that you really didn't think they would and so were just giving lip service to the entire idea.

i.e., being passive-aggressive.

lexs&os

10-05-2007, 06:37 AM

GO CHLOE!! I have been waiting for her to snap back and she is ready and I can't wait to see her shove a kick a$$ article in Grant's face and yes, I agree, there is something up with him. Oh, and the Chlex scene....Welcome Back Chloe!

Khyla

10-05-2007, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by newfamfan
.......Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about....

I was going to say the same thing. Chloe hasn't lost her fire! It's just a matter of protecting Clark's secret and keeping the JL members' in confidence as well.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I agree. But, hey, this is Smallville. They do their own thing when it comes to iconic characters.

Originally posted by Chiriru
...Something Is UP with Grant. ...

Yeah like UP his nose maybe?:(

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Shes named pretty much all the iconic characters on this show hasn't she? Except for Lana's "Super man" in the pilot...Chloe's done Green Arrow and Supergirl and...well I dont know....but its cool. :lol:
and "Bizarro".

"Superman" wasn't Lana's term in the pilot, it's the term used by Nietzsche in the philosophy book that Clark was holding.

Also, just to allay the misunderstanding, here's the script from arrow:

Clark: This Green Arrow Bandit's got a lot of gadgets.

Chloe: Gadgets? Against the Man of Steel?

Clark: He's good, all right?

Chloe: Fine -- backing off. The Green Arrow Bandit? Is that really the name Lois came up with? If you ask me, I'd lose the "Bandit," but - not my story.

:)

samanta

10-05-2007, 07:07 AM

I'm actually kind of confused about it. Until now I just assumed that Chloe's doing her journalism thing in ofscreenville and know some new editor tells her she has lost her spark. Why it wasn't hinted before? :confused:

hanemg

10-05-2007, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
First off My daddy is dead... so what's the point in saying that?

I am just saying Chloe was indeed hired by a bigger editor... it isn't weak it's the truth.. if you don't like it hey not my problem.. I would think a weak argument would be saying my Opinion is wrong

Also I did watch it again, I watched it 3 times so far... I was saying the "WTF" happened at the first encounter... that's what I was implying... Also what's messed up in that opening scene... the editor assigned Lois a story and didn't order Chloe to do anything... just bashed her.
"My daddy can beat up your daddy" is an old saying that references the childish way kids can sometimes behave. My point was that who did or did not hire her was a ridulous thing to argue. She was hired and she was hired by someone that liked her talant and who TPTB went out of their way to portray as someone who was very good at his job and respected by his peers.

Tha's canon and trying to demean it just to build up Chloe is IMHO a very weak argument.

As for the WTF?! moment since you've watched it 3 times then you saw how she behaved at the end and know what I'm talking about. And as to why he didn't order Chloe to do anything it was because 1) she didn't have the story, Lois did, and 2) contrary to popular belief not everything is about Chloe.

freefall

10-05-2007, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by hanemg
She was hired and she was hired by someone that liked her talant and who TPTB went out of their way to portray as someone who was very good at his job and respected by his peers.

"Do you think I'm being honoured by the Publishers Guild tonight because I'm Mahatma Gandhi?" :lol:

It amazes me how some people get on Grant's case for being ruthless and calling a spade a spade, when that's exactly the way it was with the likes of Kahn and Perry themselves. Why, just because he cut poor little Chloe down and hired Lois at the same time? Cry me a river.

Joelito

10-05-2007, 08:13 AM

I see all you want to see the brightside of this, but the reallity is other...I didn't like her beeing bumped. :(

I still think season 7 is very poor for Chloe...the freak powers, rivality with Kara, Kara trying to still her boyfriend, no much Clark for her...

eather, the TPTB make Chloe find good stories without Clark involved or bye bye Chloe..and not in a good way :(

MackLove

10-05-2007, 08:16 AM

I am opposed to anything against Chloe and that whole ep was against her. That editor, Kara....when will it end!!

samanta

10-05-2007, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal

It amazes me how some people get on Grant's case for being ruthless and calling a spade a spade, when that's exactly the way it was with the likes of Kahn and Perry themselves. Why, just because he cut poor little Chloe down and hired Lois at the same time? Cry me a river. I've nothing against Grant. As far as he won't show up again. He has nothing to add to the story besides to make Lois and her work for DP look questionable. They still can make him another psycho boyfriend and it's kind of boring after six seasons of Smallville.

Guidron

10-05-2007, 08:36 AM

Here's my take on it:

Chloe's Reaction:
I think Chloe was fully expecting Grant to tear into Lois about her story. Her writing style, topic, everything so immediately she was coming to her defense over it. It may be a little stuck up of her, but she is the one that has been into journalism all along. The fact that Grant actually started praising Lois' work took her completely by surprise. I felt her look was more one of shock that he was so approving. More over, the fact that he gave Lois a job on the spot bowled Chloe over even more.

Lois' Hiring:
I think undeserved is a strong statement here. It's not always about your credentials. Sometimes it's about being in the right place at the right time and having the right person see something they believe can be developed. Lois has shown a huge desire to investigate things and find out the truth behind them. Grant saw that raw desire in her and realizes it's something that can be nurtured and developed. (A very similar situation put me in the job I have today.)

Also, lets face it. Ever since Chloe found out Clark's secret and pulled down the wall of weird, the burning passion that she had to discover the truth has diminished.

I love Chloe's character and this could be a good move. Chloe could wind up helping to shape the character that Lois is to become. Lois has the passion for investigating, Chloe has the way with words. I think Chloe will be a great help in developing Lois into the star reporter she's destined to become.

samanta

10-05-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Guidron
Here's my take on it:

Chloe's Reaction:
I think Chloe was fully expecting Grant to tear into Lois about her story. Her writing style, topic, everything so immediately she was coming to her defense over it. It may be a little stuck up of her, but she is the one that has been into journalism all along. The fact that Grant actually started praising Lois' work took her completely by surprise. I felt her look was more one of shock that he was so approving. More over, the fact that he gave Lois a job on the spot bowled Chloe over even more.

I agree. I don't think it was jealousy. She seemed more surprised than anything.
Also, I have to agree that Lois hiring wasn't undeserved but it was little too fast IMO. I would like more development in her work before being hired to DP.

freefall

10-05-2007, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by samanta
I've nothing against Grant. As far as he won't show up again. He has nothing to add to the story besides to make Lois and her work for DP look questionable. They still can make him another psycho boyfriend and it's kind of boring after six seasons of Smallville.

Funny, I thought it's Chloe's entrance into the DP and the way Kahn hired her that are questionable. :) Betraying a friend and getting a bribed column out of it, was fired and then still get hired back in anyway?

samanta

10-05-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Funny, I thought it's Chloe's entrance into the DP and the way Kahn hired her that are questionable. :) Betraying a friend and getting a bribed column out of it, was fired and then still get hired back in anyway? Yes. It's questionable too but I guess it's Smallville. Show in which doctors don't ask when someone wake up from being dead :rolleyes:
I would like it more if Lois wasn't hired by her potentional love interest.

ms.c.

10-05-2007, 10:36 AM

Like any great heroine, Chloe is totally going to overcome the obstacle of this jerk editor. It's obvious that something is up with him. He knew way too much about Chloe as soon as they met. He has an agenda. And that's fine, because Chloe needed something to refocus her energy on her first love, journalism.

I can't wait for Chloe to show up this guy.

He is scum. I am sure of it. And I love how Chloe is being cast as the underdog with all these obstacles against her even though she deserves so much better. It only makes me root for her more.

Go CHLOE!

margroks

10-05-2007, 11:16 AM

Grant was totally full of crap for hiring the obviously undeserving EDLois that had no work to show, no experience at legitimate journalism and whom, she herself admitted was unqualified but that Chloe was.

Again we hear the cry of Chloe is so perfect! any time a comparison is made between the two cousins and EDLois is found obviously wanting. Chloe was dismissed from the Torch for printing things without the proof to go with them even though she had seen things with her own eyes and thought it was true. It was her very first lesson in how legitimate journalists find the truth and print only what they can prove. It was why she was hired by Pauline Kahn; because she brought in the story and the evidence to back up what she saw and wrote.

In sharp contrast to both these incidents, EDLois shows up with nothing and not even wanting a job; she has seen something she is convinced is a space ship but that's it. Grant offers her a job without asking for any credentials and in the end, tells her he can't print what she wrote without proof but GIVES HER THE JOB ANYWAY. So EDLois, unlike Chloe, gets something for nothing, just as she has gotten everything so far on Smallville; she is handed a job without having to work for it, without proving anything. And that is not the way of legitimate journalism.

EDLois has no "fire," and her words don't "leap off the page like a Bengal tiger." That was really stupid and obviously Grant's attempt to lay it on thick to play up to EDLois's overinflated idea of her own worth and abilities. My guess is Grant is a Lex minion and put there to keep an eye on CHloe in order to prevent her from printing any kind of expose about him. Lex is obviously afraid of that as we saw when Chloe and Lex faced off at the end of Progeny and as we saw earlier in Kara when Lex tried to get out of Chloe what he thought Lana had told her. Lex threatened Chloe in Progeny and told her she'd never print anything and this is his way of ensuring that. He thinks.

So, no, this was not Lois Lane taking her rightful place at the DP after proving herself fully capable of adhering to the rules of legimate journalism. We already saw that in Thirst. This was EDLois getting another underserved handout. In short, it was a cheat and it's the kind of cheat that has been the hallmark of everything EDLois ever got.

msleggie

10-05-2007, 11:30 AM

No Lois did not deserve that job, but Chloe did need something to kick her into overdrive.

hanemg

10-05-2007, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by margroks
Again we hear the cry of Chloe is so perfect! any time a comparison is made between the two cousins and EDLois is found obviously wanting.

Of course we hear the cry. You want to know why? Look at your first comment:

Originally posted by margroks
Grant was totally full of crap for hiring the obviously undeserving EDLois that had no work to show, no experience at legitimate journalism and whom, she herself admitted was unqualified but that Chloe was.

How do you know Lois was undeserving? According to the show Grant is a well-qualified journalist. We know this because the script for the show as voiced through Chloe’s and Grant’s own lips gave us two facts. Grant was a rising star at another major newspaper and he was honored by a group of his peers.

Based on these two things we then know that Grant’s not a hack, he’s not a nobody, he’s a good journalist that other journalists admire and respect. Most importantly, this also tells us that he’s qualified for his job. Therefore when he says that he likes Lois’ prose style and admires her ambition we know that it is coming from somebody qualified to recognize both. We also know that whether we like or agree with his comments he is also qualified to critique Chloe’s work and according to him he found it wanting.

So when you make comments like:

Originally posted by margroks
EDLois has no "fire," and her words don't "leap off the page like a Bengal tiger."

I have to call you on the fact that you have no idea what Lois’ prose style is. The truth of the matter is that Lois Lane is a fictional character who has never really written a thing in her life because she doesn’t exist and as such the only thing we know is what the story has told us which in this case is that her words "leap off the page like a Bengal tiger”.

You don’t have to like it, but that’s canon. You don’t like the character, which is obvious, but voicing your opinion and preferences as fact doesn’t change the fact that they are only opinions and preferences. And so when you follow up this baseless attack with comments like:

Originally posted by margroks
My guess is Grant is a Lex minion and put there to keep an eye on CHloe in order to prevent her from printing any kind of expose about him. Lex is obviously afraid of that as we saw when Chloe and Lex faced off at the end of Progeny and as we saw earlier in Kara when Lex tried to get out of Chloe what he thought Lana had told her. Lex threatened Chloe in Progeny and told her she'd never print anything and this is his way of ensuring that. He thinks.
It becomes obvious that Chloe is being painted as some poor beset upon soul who is the victim of, let’s see, how did you put it...

Originally posted by margroks
In short, it was a cheat and it's the kind of cheat that has been the hallmark of everything EDLois ever got.
Totally ignoring the canon of the show and attempting to demean any accomplishment by Lois while at the same time suggesting some big conspiracy where Chloe is the real hero of the show does seem to suggest a legitimacy to:

Originally posted by margroks
Again we hear the cry of Chloe is so perfect! any time a comparison is made between the two cousins and EDLois is found obviously wanting.

Because Lois wasn’t found wanting and her accomplishments don’t have to reflect badly upon Chloe at all unless you simply feel threatened by them.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:15 PM

^^*applauses* Especially this part:

Originally posted by hanemg
Because Lois wasn’t found wanting and her accomplishments don’t have to reflect badly upon Chloe at all unless you simply feel threatened by them.

Exactly. And may I just add personally that, as a Lois fan, I am in no way threatened by Chloe, because I honestly don't have much to *be* threatened about wrt her. I already know how all this is going to end for Lois (and Clark and Lana and Lex). It was set in stone by 70 years of DC comic history.

But I've notice rabid Chloe and Chlois-pushers always try to undermined Lois no matter what she does or what she accomplishes. No credit of any kind is ever given to her for anything. Lois even went so far as to cut *herself* down compared to Chloe in this epsiode (which, frankly, I'm sick of Lois *and* Clark both doing wrt Chloe), but nope. Chloe can mock Lois with impunity, but Lois loves and tries to sick up for her cousin and she's still unworthy.

For some people, nothing Lois does is ever going to be good or right.

dimeo782002

10-05-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

oh yes some said it ! i totally agree the chloe cut downs were totally a turn off and pissed me off to where i could barely enjoy the rest of the episode . the way chloe was treated was uncalled for ! im glad you said what you did

Dor el

10-05-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

I, too, agree. I also hope Chloe gets her drive and edge back. I truly don't think Lois has yet proven herself to be a "star reporter". If Grant wanted to be the one to give her that chance, fine. But it was hurtful to talk about Chloe like that and right in front of her no less. I do believe that Grant may have other motivation. ;) Hopefully, whether or not Grant intended to light a fire under Chloe, he may have done just that.

Originally posted by morrigan01
^^*applauses* Especially this part:
For some people, nothing Lois does is ever going to be good or right.

Yep.

Ms. Mack

10-05-2007, 02:31 PM

I am a huge Chloe supporter. And though the sudden interest in Lois is a bit of a reach, I like this storyline (so far). That is, as long as it is actually resolved and Chloe is not pushed to the background as if she never had interest in journalism. I really hope that this pushes her back into her passion for writing which could lead to her moving to another paper, say in Gotham? (Yes, I'm a Chrucer)

I actually found the spiel Gabe gave Lois about becoming an ace reporter was believable and could be this thing to help push her to being the "Lois and Clark" Lois. I find him a little fishy though, he seems to know a lot about some girl who just writes fillers. It seems like he's disappointed in Chloe which is why he gave Lois the desk right across from her.

Anyway, I just hope TPTB don't mess this storyline up too much or forget about it.

samanta

10-05-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Ms. Mack
I really hope that this pushes her back into her passion for writing which could lead to her moving to another paper, say in Gotham? (Yes, I'm a Chrucer)

I could live with that :D

TWLOVER03

10-05-2007, 03:58 PM

Grant thinks Lois is hot. End of story.

samanta

10-05-2007, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by TWLOVER03
Grant thinks Lois is hot. End of story. I don't think he gave Lois job only because he thinks she's hot.

heavens_cry

10-05-2007, 04:16 PM

I dont think lois deserves it.. She shouldn't even be there yet.

I just cant wait for Chloe to do here stuff and have everyone see she isn't done for.. She still has alot more Fire to her.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 04:46 PM

It obvious the writers think that we the fans are stupid...And we are NOt!
the writers need to get it together and stop being lazy...Chloe will never be second to Lois..Yes... she will be the future love of Clark..but they did not need to put down... this is a major important character and by doing what they did to make us like Lois....It just makes us...think that she does not deserve being hired ..for what?
He hired her by seeing passionate writing in one article..Ah hello?
Writers we are not stupid...Most us know scene by scene from past epis..and the lines uttered by most of the characters on Smallville...Come on..writers..we are a sophiscated audience..don't think we can be played like that...

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by TWLOVER03
Grant thinks Lois is hot. End of story.

And, of course, you can back this theory up right? :rolleyes:

Joelito

10-05-2007, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by heavens_cry
I dont think lois deserves it.. She shouldn't even be there yet.

Of course she must be there..the series almost end..the story and characters are ending where suppose to be...can this be a fact?

lillie_poo_pod

10-05-2007, 05:59 PM

Oh, it's been broughten.

I'm really excited about the cousins competing.

Theshadow129x

10-05-2007, 06:35 PM

I have to agree. the thing that gets me about the smallville universe is how things are just given to lois. she never proves herself worthy of anything just "hey here i think you will do good at this." it sickens me most about lois. Chloe shouldnt have to prove herself to anyone right now because shes done it in the past and besides losi usually goes to chloe for help on her articles anyways

Serynarpc

10-06-2007, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
I have to agree. the thing that gets me about the smallville universe is how things are just given to lois. she never proves herself worthy of anything just "hey here i think you will do good at this." it sickens me most about lois. Chloe shouldnt have to prove herself to anyone right now because shes done it in the past and besides losi usually goes to chloe for help on her articles anyways

She's Lois Lane. Perhaps the way she strolled into the office and interrupted Chloe's work day with her personal field trip was appealing to the editor.

'She's brazen, cut & can type! Your hired!
Chloe, your still here? Dressed in that sassy yet business conservative outfit! Ditch the blazer and we'll talk. '

^ Its a bit over dramatic in favor of Chloe, yet boiled down without all the lip service that whats it about. We'll see if the editor wants to light a fire under Chloe or just wants to see her cousin Lois strut around the office in those outfits.

Lets watch and see.

Billy Jor-El

10-07-2007, 12:43 PM

If Chloe must end up as somewhere other than the Planet, then let her move on to another great paper (there is more than one) and make Editor-In-Chief there. Then one of her new reporters walks in and reports to his new boss. That reporter is Grant. What I'd pay to see the look on his face when Chloe welcomes him to HER paper :)

Clarkgirl8

10-07-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by newfamfan
I hate to debate.But I'm curious. HOW DID Grant see see the fire in Lois by a simple conversation with Chloe? Seriously, Lois writes for a rag that puts up stuff of nonsense.

It is like the STAR (Inquisitor) vs. New York Times (Daily Planet). No way was Lois's fire seen in that short of a time.

Lois got hooked by a barn door falling by her. Chloe has been writing for a long time. Yes, she can out do Lois any day on a story. Yet, she chooses to protect a friend beyond her journalism or she would have had the stories that Lois can't even dream about.

I think it is ridiculous that in order for one female to be put in the limelight another has to be insulted.

I hope Lois Lane eats Chloe's dust. This Lois is handed every thing and works for nothing. Go figure she'd get a job at the Daily Planet after Chloe has worked countless of years, even in high school to get to where she is. Seriously, she interned almost every summer at the Planet. And notice Grant speaks of Chloe taking courses by day at Met U. While Lois slides in without college credits and her high school ones are questionable. Yep. A true role model that Lois is. (NOTE:SARCASM)

I'm a diehard clana fan. But dissing Chloe to put Lois where her iconic character should be ruined the episode for me. This Lois Lane earns nothing...she's handed every thing without working hard to get there. That's sure a woman I would want my daughter to pattern after (NOT!)

OMG! EXACTLY!.... wrong way to go for Lois character tho...

BRING IT ON!!!! i have a side already!!!! :D :lol: