Just a coincidence?

[xrayvision]

In Accelerate, Lana had these lines in the end:

"This might sound silly... but I have this fear that-- that one day you'll finally get a good look at me and... I'm going to disappoint you. That you'll see that I'm not as strong or as good as you think I am. And I'm afraid that it'll change the way you feel about me".

Is it a coincidence that the likely source of Clark's eventual disappointment in her is based on a clone (Lana blowing it up just to hide from Lex) just like Accelerate (a clone episode) in which she made her foreshadowing statement?

[Rosey]

You're giving AlMiles lots of credit if you think they thought of that.
Continuity has never been one of their strong points.

If perchance there was an intended tie-in between the two episodes, does that mean we can expect more continuity in the future? ;)

[Thil_EL]

coincidence, because lets face it Al miles isn't that smart..

[superspider02]

yea continuity hasnt been the best at times in the show, some times yea they been good with it other times no.

[xrayvision]

Well, one thing they knew for a while was how it would end for the characters who have been in the series since the beginning. And they said it won't end well. So I think that they did have a general map of Lana's direction in the series planned out.

I have no doubt that they planned on Lexana since day 1 and waited until Lana was old enough to be with Lex. And a byproduct of Lexana was Lana becoming more like Lex. Her killing a clone to get out of the marriage was likely planned from a while back.

[Chiriru]

Nope I think the fact of revealing Lana as evil has been brewing for a long time (we see hints of it in Nicodemus even!). So while I'm not sure about the clones, I do think that line was a set up. :)

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by xrayvision
In Accelerate, Lana had these lines in the end:

"This might sound silly... but I have this fear that-- that one day you'll finally get a good look at me and... I'm going to disappoint you. That you'll see that I'm not as strong or as good as you think I am. And I'm afraid that it'll change the way you feel about me".




Oh...beautiful!!!!!!!! :p

[CLanaF23]

i think its coincidence....but i do think clark and lana relationship is really gonna be tested this season....i noe there gonna make it some how..i mean its true love..clana=love <3

[xrayvision]

I'm hoping Lana will at least in a few scenarios be the one who has to help Clark with kryptonite issues and other stuff regarding his secret so they could show us that they can also be friends.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana isn't evil, an evil person doesn't act the way Lana did in the first two episodes nor the way she acted in the previews. Clark isn't going to turn his back on her, because of this. Not with the things he's done.

And in no way does making Lana evil help Clark with his destiny, it's going to set him back. Think about it, the love of your life goes bad or whatever and now you're going to go train to save the world:lol:

[Khyla]

The direction they have Lana's character taking has most definitely been set up since S1.

I think it's very plausible that the writers may have been foreshadowing in "Accelerate", but if not, it was certainly an eerie coincidence (just proves further one of my theories; that if the writers are really as bad as some say they are, then they must be channeling some really good ones! or maybe it's divine intervention :))

As in "Accelerate", Lana has warned Clark on many occasions that she is not this perfect picture he has of her. That she is sometimes weak and sometimes not so angelic....

Episode proof of the Lana character setup:

"Drone", Season 1 , Lana says:

"The weird part is, i kind of enjoyed being underhanded"

(she's referring to how she dug up dirt on the rival coffee shop in town in order to boost business for the Talon.)

Also , in S1, "Nicodemus" Lana uninhibited by the flower's effect, begins making sexual advances on Lex, saying, "You don't really care about the Talon. You only invested because I asked you to. Now why would you go and do a thing like that? Hmm?" When Lex tells her she isn't herself, she retorts with. "Why? Because I'm not doing exactly as I'm told? 'Cause I'm not sitting in a corner, hiding in a book?
For once I'm not scared of life, and no one can handle it because you all prefer the insecure little girl. Well, I'm sick of her and all her talk about her dead parents."

In "Precipice" she explains to Clark, "Lex has a way of bringing out a side of me that's both scary and liberating at the same time. " -- it's not about hurting someone it's about gaining control over your life. " and Lex tells Clark. "the crouching tiger is about to find her hidden dragon".

in "Thirst", Lana tells Clark "I'm sorry it has to be this way, Clark, but we don't always get to choose who we are. Sometimes our destiny leads us to places that we don't want to go, and there's nothing we can do about it."

Even Jimmy picked up on it . Thus his dream in Noir painting her that way.

[SmallvilleMan]

:lol: So a couple quotes in an episode show of a set-up of her character direction? And in one of those episodes she's a vampire:rotfl: There are hints about everything in every single episode. If you look hard enough you can find anything that would fit any theory......What Lana did in the coffee shop wasn't underhanded.......She found out something about the other shop and told on them. It wasn't like she made anything up, she did what ANY company owner would do to their competition. So basically all that's had to set up this theory on Lana being "evil" or whatver is when she's a vampire, a good business person and when she's on the flower. Doesn't sound like very convincing evidence. Sounds more like a if we look hard enough we can find it, type thing.

[xrayvision]

My point in starting this thread was not to prove Lana is evil or will become evil, but instead to point out that the episode where Lana made her foreshadowing statement about how Clark will one day be disappointed in her was an episode about clones, and now she is shown blowing up the body of a clone to get away from Lex and how this is likely what will make Clark see once and for all that she's not the one for him.

She may still be his friend, but once he finds out what she did, he will never be involved with her romantically again.

So basically, my question was that if it turns out that what causes Clark's romantic interest in Lana to end is Lana's disposal of her clone, is it just a coincidence that Lana's statement regarding her fear of Clark's disappointment came from an episode about a clone or was that done on purpose (meaning they knew from Accelerate that it would have to do with the same subject matter--clones--as Accelerate where she expressed her fear of Clark's rejection in).

[jimmyolsenblues]

i don't think almiles have that kind of foresight, to even think this show would last this long.

[ClarksGal]

I don't necessarily think that they had this exact plan for Lana's character the WHOLE time, but I'm sure that line was put there for a reason. I mean, TPTB did know that Clark will not eventually end up with Lana, so I would think they had some ideas early on that they weren't going to work out.

I'm sure the line was inserted in S2 intentionally, even though they didn't have this all planned out yet.

[Guidron]

I dunno. They have a tendency to go both ways.

Sometimes their inconsistency dumbfounds you, and others their consistency does.

[SmallvilleMan]

So basically, my question was that if it turns out that what causes Clark's romantic interest in Lana to end is Lana's disposal of her clone, is it just a coincidence that Lana's statement regarding her fear of Clark's disappointment came from an episode about a clone or was that done on purpose (meaning they knew from Accelerate that it would have to do with the same subject matter--clones--as Accelerate where she expressed her fear of Clark's rejection in).

I'd say it would be a conscidence........Just by looking at the situations.........I'd be more willing to believe that, if when she said that she had done something wrong, but that was during their short romance time together.

[Timester]

Seriously, Al Gough shown in his last interview that they don't even know their own show, so I doubt that they planned this.

[Greenmeanie]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

Why would you think Clark would be disappointed with her. She did what she had to do . . . look at who she was dealing with. I thought is was very smart.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Greenmeanie
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

Why would you think Clark would be disappointed with her. She did what she had to do . . . look at who she was dealing with. I thought is was very smart.

Just like how Lex said in Nemesis "It's only black and white with you" (or something to that nature) to Clark. If an act is wrong, Clark wouldn't care what the ends are. If Clark had no problem with it, then he would be someone who believed in "the ends justify the means". We know he doesn't. He blamed himself for killing a monster like Titan because these are the rules he lives by. The difference is that Titan was a monster trying to kill him, Lois and everyone else. Lana did not have to marry Lex or even have to be with him in the first place. But she did it, and if it's true that to correct her mistake she blew up another human (whether it was ever alive or not), that would not settle well with Clark. He will probably still be her friend, but nothing more than that would ever happen between them again. Oliver would accept doing such a thing since he said it himself that he believes in "if the ends justify the means" but not Clark/Superman.

I said it in another post, how ironic would it be that Clark's rejection for Lana happens as a result of his disapproval of her revenge against Clark's greatest enemy? The irony of it makes it a likely explanation of why he will finally move on. In that post I also said this would be a very Al/Miles way of ending Clana. If this becomes true, then similarities between Lex & Lana would be what led to the end of Lex's friendship with Clark (which is already the case) and would lead to the end of Lana's romantic relationship with Clark (remains to be seen). And Lex and Lana do share many similarities. Neither could let go of their obsessions and be able to put the past behind them. At least with Lana, she didn't do the type of stuff Lex did, so Clark will remain friends with her. Lex did so many bad things that Clark is through with him and he has nobody left to save him from his plummet into darkness.

[newfamfan]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well, one thing they knew for a while was how it would end for the characters who have been in the series since the beginning. And they said it won't end well. So I think that they did have a general map of Lana's direction in the series planned out.

I have no doubt that they planned on Lexana since day 1 and waited until Lana was old enough to be with Lex. And a byproduct of Lexana was Lana becoming more like Lex. Her killing a clone to get out of the marriage was likely planned from a while back.

Lana didn't KILL a clone. Lex said it was NON LIVING. You can't kill something that had no life.

Lana did develop Lex's traits somewhat. I do believe that they had Lexana planned from day one. But I don't think they thought people would hate it as much as it was hated.

As far as the plan, they said it was from Pilot on. Their words were bittersweet ending. If Lana turned evil...it would be only bitter. NOT SWEET!

I think the plan was for Lana and Clark to part mutual and that there would always be a close bond of friendship for the one time lovers just as the comics portray.

Lois wasn't ever expected to come to SV because they didn't think they'd get the approval. Therefore, they didn't plan on moving Clark towards her..only his destiny of Superman who eventually does go to Lois. Lana and Clark would end as the Pilot began..feeling a closeness but having to look beyond that for others. A sacrificing love.

[boingo]

coincidence....I agree, TPTB just don't plan out that far ahead....I think they even said as much in a TV Guide interview a few seasons back....

[Spirit Detective]

I think TPTB will piggy back on your idea.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by newfamfan
Lana didn't KILL a clone. Lex said it was NON LIVING. You can't kill something that had no life.

I don't know about you, but if I see a human fully grown but just motionless (like that clone supposedly was), I would have problems if someone blew it to smithereens. And I think Clark will also. Perhaps what it was missing that would animate that body like the real Lana could have been added. We have lots to learn about that clone and what Lex was doing with those bodies.

[SmallvilleMan]

Just like how Lex said in Nemesis "It's only black and white with you" (or something to that nature) to Clark. If an act is wrong, Clark wouldn't care what the ends are. If Clark had no problem with it, then he would be someone who believed in "the ends justify the means". We know he doesn't. He blamed himself for killing a monster like Titan because these are the rules he lives by. The difference is that Titan was a monster trying to kill him, Lois and everyone else. Lana did not have to marry Lex or even have to be with him in the first place. But she did it, and if it's true that to correct her mistake she blew up another human (whether it was ever alive or not), that would not settle well with Clark. He will probably still be her friend, but nothing more than that would ever happen between them again. Oliver would accept doing such a thing since he said it himself that he believes in "if the ends justify the means" but not Clark/Superman.

A clone isn't a human......It's more of a science experiment. Yes, Lana did have to marry Lex, she was forced too, unless she wanted Clark to die. And I don't care if she said yes to the proposal, she didn't want to marry him when it matter. That's the moral of the story. Saying you're going to do something is MUCH different than doing it. Secondly, she was threatened by Lex and had every reason to believe he would come after her. After all, this is the guy who faked her pregnancy. So she what she thought was going to free herself and everyone around her from Lex. I doubt Clark would be happy about what happened, but considering everything, he'll probably accept it.


I said it in another post, how ironic would it be that Clark's rejection for Lana happens as a result of his disapproval of her revenge against Clark's greatest enemy? The irony of it makes it a likely explanation of why he will finally move on. In that post I also said this would be a very Al/Miles way of ending Clana. If this becomes true, then similarities between Lex & Lana would be what led to the end of Lex's friendship with Clark (which is already the case) and would lead to the end of Lana's romantic relationship with Clark (remains to be seen). And Lex and Lana do share many similarities. Neither could let go of their obsessions and be able to put the past behind them. At least with Lana, she didn't do the type of stuff Lex did, so Clark will remain friends with her. Lex did so many bad things that Clark is through with him and he has nobody left to save him from his plummet into darkness.

Except that would be a horrible way to move on.......You're going to make him move on by finding out the girl he loved for his entire life has changed........Sort of like a forced moving on, instead of letting his moving on be purely, because he has to.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
A clone isn't a human......It's more of a science experiment. Yes, Lana did have to marry Lex, she was forced too, unless she wanted Clark to die. And I don't care if she said yes to the proposal, she didn't want to marry him when it matter. That's the moral of the story. Saying you're going to do something is MUCH different than doing it. Secondly, she was threatened by Lex and had every reason to believe he would come after her. After all, this is the guy who faked her pregnancy. So she what she thought was going to free herself and everyone around her from Lex. I doubt Clark would be happy about what happened, but considering everything, he'll probably accept it.

Well, cloning causes ethics problems, that's why it's not done with humans...yet. And if anyone would have ethical issues with cloning, I think Clark would. Whether it ever moved or not, seeing a fully grown body blown up would not sit well with me. It was Lana's fault for getting involved with Lex in season 5. Had she not done that, there would have been no marriage. Clark & Chloe told her in season 5 not to get involved with him and that he's a predator. Yet she did. Clark will accept it and keep her as a friend, but it will wake him up to the fact that she doesn't have the high morals that he does. Something has to do that, and I think this will be it. That's what I'm saying.

Except that would be a horrible way to move on.......You're going to make him move on by finding out the girl he loved for his entire life has changed........Sort of like a forced moving on, instead of letting his moving on be purely, because he has to.

Well from Al/Miles own words, they said it will all end badly. And it's an approach I can foresee them taking.

[SmallvilleMan]

Well from Al/Miles own words, they said it will all end badly. And it's an approach I can foresee them taking.

So do I and it's a major cop out.....I mean, honestly that's the way you want the show's major relationship ending? I don't see that moving Clark on.......I couldn't forsee that moving anyone on. "Oh whoops, the girl i loved my entire has changed, maybe I can go to a club and hook up with another girl":rolleyes: Well, obviously it's going to end badly, just because Clark is going to her leave her no matter what happens.


Well, cloning causes ethics problems, that's why it's not done with humans...yet. And if anyone would have ethical issues with cloning, I think Clark would. Whether it ever moved or not, seeing a fully grown body blown up would not sit well with me. It was Lana's fault for getting involved with Lex in season 5. Had she not done that, there would have been no marriage. Clark & Chloe told her in season 5 not to get involved with him and that he's a predator. Yet she did. Clark will accept it and keep her as a friend, but it will wake him up to the fact that she doesn't have the high morals that he does. Something has to do that, and I think this will be it. That's what I'm saying.

It's definitley a head scratcher when it comes to figuring about what one would think. I doubt Clark has ever thought about cloning, it's a tough call. But if Lana explained EVERYTHING, especially the baby part he probably would accept it. Sure, it's Lana's fault for getting involved in Lex, but it's not like there were many other options. Not when you had Clark and Chloe playing the secret games. Loneliness creates a lot of problems and it did for Lana. Clark shares some of that blame for destroying her with the break up and everything before that. Chloe warned Lana, true, she did, but I'm sure some evidence or examples would have worked out better. Chloe tried, did she do enough to help her friend, no. At that point in time, chloe HAS to give Lana some concrete examples. All I'm saying is that I HOPE it doesn't end, because of that and it's a huge cop out to do it that way.

[xrayvision]

I hope it doesn't end bad like that too, but I think it will. This is Lana's last season and I still don't see them as being the very close (non-romantic) friends they could be. And I don't think I ever will see that in this show. I'm tired of the angst.

[SmallvilleMan]

I hope it doesn't end bad like that too, but I think it will. This is Lana's last season and I still don't see them as being the very close (non-romantic) friends they could be. And I don't think I ever will see that in this show. I'm tired of the angst.

Me too, I'm tired of the angst as well. Can they either be together or just COMPLETELY FREE. They way to get over somone to have no more emotions tied to them or any regrets. Finding out the person you loved your whole life has changed, isn't going to help move you on. Just like lying to her that you don't love her won't or trying to protect her won't.