What did you HATE about "Kara"?

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

Lois got knocked out twice
Grant Gabriel
Chloe was jealous of Lois getting her new job and was not grateful
Kara's ship disappeared
Micheal Cassidy's acting as Grant
Lana was cloned
Lex got out of jail
There was no climax
Clark went to the Fortress at the end of the episode
Lois isn't going to be in the next episode just right when she got her job at the Daily Planet

I'm sorry. I wanted to make more choices than one. Sorry.

[Lostfan588]

None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

[Runestone]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

Exactly.

And why should Chloe be grateful of Lois? She tried halfheartedly to give Chloe the story, but still.

I also hated how Lex was portrayed.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

I'm hating that Lois gets her job in this episode, but we won't see her in the next one to see her work at the Daily Planet. "sigh" and she just got her job. She should be in the next episode. God, next one is going to be a Clana episode. What if they will try to get rid of that whole Lois trying to find out what Lex did to Wes thing? She will be gone in two episodes again.

[Thil_EL]

HATED the whole Lana/Lex stuff. They ruined lex by associating him with Lana.She is like a bad STD, it kills everything it touches.

[Runestone]

Originally posted by Thil_EL
HATED the whole Lana/Lex stuff. They ruined lex by associating him with Lana.She is like a bad STD, it kills everything it touches.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Lana = AIDS, nice analogy...

[AndiGirl]

I was so disappointed to see the writers are pulling the "Chloe is the underdog" card again. She literally had her entire life crapped on in the span of one hour. I dont know how she held up at the end...she looked like she wanted to cry. Poor Chloe. :(
Why cant they leave the poor girl alone?

[RedKalEL]

i didn't like how kara kept saying kal el wrong

[xrayvision]

I didn't like the severe lack of explanation of Kara's arrival and why she was in suspended animation but not Clark

I'm not sure about this Lana clone angle. In one way, it's a copout way to explain Lana blowing up, yet being alive. But in another, it sounds interesting.

I also don't like how easy it was for the government to open Kara's ship when Lex had the Brainiac ship for all that time and never opened it.

[Kal26]

Nothing. I loved it!

[xrayvision]

I also really wished they explained the original (bogus) Kara. Jor-El only said that he had no idea of her arrival. My best guess is that he used the actual Kara's existence to create a bogus Kara to pose as Clark's family in a more "human" approach to get Clark to search for the stones.

[Thil_EL]

Originally posted by RedKalEL
i didn't like how kara kept saying kal el wrong
Maybe that is the right pronunciation!

[RedKalEL]

Originally posted by Thil_EL
Maybe that is the right pronunciation!

but from all the superman shows i've watched including smallville i have never hear anyone pronouce it like that. but i don't think it matters cuz it's sounds like she will start calling him clark now

[supergirl945]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I didn't like the severe lack of explanation of Kara's arrival and why she was in suspended animation but not Clark

I'm not sure about this Lana clone angle. In one way, it's a copout way to explain Lana blowing up, yet being alive. But in another, it sounds interesting.

I also don't like how easy it was for the government to open Kara's ship when Lex had the Brainiac ship for all that time and never opened it.

i know!!! :rolleyes: :)

[xrayvision]

I also hated when Clark said "She's smarter than the 2 of us" about Chloe. How much more of a moron are they gonna show him as? Clark/Superman is supposed to also have super intelligence. This breakdown of Clark really pisses me off.

[OliviaB]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

Which IMO is why it won't last. Unless they're banking on ED becoming the most "Hated Lois Lane Ever". It's all about the underdog winning over EDLois.

[newfamfan]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

Exactly! I'm steaming mad at that pile of crap thrown at us! Aaah! Chloe was dissed and insulted so much. It was ridiculous. I guess TPTB had to put down Chloe's character in hopes some will accept Lois as the iconic gal she is supposed to be.

All it made me think was....What the heck? Lois is handed something else while the real world has to work for it. This show is making me lose more respect for Lois Lane every episode. Get out of Smallville, Lois. You're not needed to take over Chloe's life. She worked for it. You slipped in it..and it smells like crap to me.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I also don't like how easy it was for the government to open Kara's ship when Lex had the Brainiac ship for all that time and never opened it.

My theory is that the government agency is real, but that one of the people behind the scenes is gonna end up being Brainiac. Hearing the description of the crystal and its capabilities...its sounds like something Brainiac would want to get his hands on.

[mctor]

Originally posted by newfamfan
All it made me think was....What the heck? Lois is handed something else while the real world has to work for it.

Lois was not handed her position at the Daily planet she worked for it, Its not like Grant gave her a high position at the daily planet, she is starting off in the basement just like chloe.

Lois got into the Daily Planet because of a well written yet unpublished story about a spaceship(she had no proof it existed)

Chloe got into the Daily planet because of a well written yet unpublished story about vampires(chloe had no proof that vampires existed or that the events in her article really happend)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
My theory is that the government agency is real, but that one of the people behind the scenes is gonna end up being Brainiac. Hearing the description of the crystal and its capabilities...its sounds like something Brainiac would want to get his hands on.

Yeah, I realized that after checking out some posts here.

[Kryptonian Savior]

The editor in cheif guy is an an ASS and I don't like him.:mad:

I think that eventually Lois and Chloe will grow apart due to the family rivalry (or w/e he called it) that Gran't is trying to put into motion :mad: & I wish Jimmy would kick his ass for disrespecting Chloe if he ever found out. :cool: :cool:

[dru-zod2501]

1: Chloe gets s*** on so hard!! I almost cried

2: goddamn Clois nods!

3: Good, honorable, disgusting Lex

4: Fricken retard pronounciatoin!! It's CAR-uh...not CARE-ah

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I also hated when Clark said "She's smarter than the 2 of us" about Chloe..

:rotfl: Oh I was amazed at that line! Thanks for reminding me!

[outsyder]

Grant Gabriel sucks

[Autumn]

What did I hate about the episode? LOL. First, I'd have to say all of the above. But you didn't even mention what I hated most!

How Chloe was treated in this episode! I just can't stand this show anymore. I mean, what the heck? Let's give the job Chloe's worked her whole life for to Lois, who hasn't worked for it at all. Because that will send a great message to all the young girls out there. "All right boys and girls, if you want your dream job, all you have to do is get your hs diploma paid for by a rich billionaire, get into college from the same rich billionaire who later becomes your mortal enemy, be kicked out of college for drinking and NEVER go back, get a campaign manager position because a nice guy like Jonathan Kent takes pity on you (maybe an internship but the actual position?), then with still no college degree or resume be given a chief of staff position for a senator just because, then while you're chief of staff you start writing for a tabloid, not worrying one bit that it might diminish the senator's reputation by doing so. In fact, she doesn't even have any integrity while working for the tabloid. Plus, not to mention she wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, over a barn falling out of the sky. Please!!! Then she makes up stories about the Green Arrow. And now, she's once again offered a job out of the blue just because, well, she's Lois Lane. Grant even had to say it over and over again. While, Chloe, the real reporter, who's going to school for it, writing truthful stories, and working her way up from the bottom ever since she was 5, is pushed aside, because well boys and girls her name does not start with Lois and end in Lane! All you need to succeed in Smallville is to have the right name. Everyone else is just dumped in the garbage with all the other trash. Then to make up for the lack of chemistry between the two actors, Tom Welling and Erica Durance, they add in another anvil to once again stamp it into our brains that because they are "Lois and Clark" they are destined to be together. Well I'm not buying into it!!!

And who gave this annoying young editor his job? Some rich daddy? He can't act first of all, and second his character was obnoxious. If I was Chloe I'd punch him and then I'd punch Lois for being such a selfish brat.

Chloe's taking night classes, working her butt off during the day writing filler stories, and on top of that helping Clark, and then worrying about her own new power. While Lois runs around finding stories that all relate back to herself. Am I supposed to like her?

What's with these writers?

I hated Kara. I thought the character was annoying, and I thought the actress was mediocre.

I hated Lana. She's an evil witch, who's now going to get away with setting Lex up for her own murder. They dropped the stupid baby plot line with no explanation.

Lex is the villain, but he's the only character I like at this point. Well, him and Chloe (though I wish she'd have an episode where she could speak her mind and tell everyone off for treating her like second fiddle and using her for their own gain).

And what kind of editor would give a tabloid writer (who wouldn't have even been offered that job with what she wrote last season) a high up job at the DP with no real experience, not even one class in journalism, and no credibility whatsoever?

The way they've written Lois Lane has honestly ticked me off. She's comic relief with no credibility whatsoever. All they do is hand her character everything on a silver platter, and then give her an anvil, with irritating swelling music in the background to once again remind us the audience that she's "Lois Lane," as if we've forgotten.

Smallville seems to have picked up on the CW's new campaign of "Get Into It." As if they're trying to force the audience to well... get into it.

I want Jonathan, Martha, Lionel, and the snarky Chloe back. No more crapping on Chloe, no more saint Lana who gets away with murder (literally; yet Clark's still obsessed with her), and no more anvils!!!!!!

Sorry for the long rant, but this episode just ticked me off! So what did I hate about the episode? Just about everything. This show has lost all credibility in my mind. Any girl who's name starts with L on this series, should take a hike in my opinion. No offense to anyone who likes them. I'm just so irritated by that episode!

So let's see what did I like?

1) Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer's little sneak in lines. IE: Chloe taking night classes, Chloe being smarter than Clark (because well at this point he's been acting like an idiot), etc...

2) Lex and Chloe interaction. Too bad it was about Lana.

Well, that's about it. I felt like Supergirl is another annoying female. She's like the Paris Hilton Supergirl worried about her "stuff." Think about it. This whole season will be like a neverending "Ageless" baby plot with Clark taking care of Kara, while him and Lana whine and pine for each other. Except this time, Lana will be keeping secrets. I wonder if Clark will start whining for the truth. Well, heck they need someone to fill the shoes. They'll be in the loft, hugging, and going off about how much they love each other. And then one of them will be hiding something from the other one, and then they'll get angry! It's just like a soap. NO THANK YOU!!!!

[Kii]

Michael Cassidy's acting was easily the worst part of the episode.

[darkkrypton81]

The commercials were driving me nuts!

I haven't been so pumped in a long time! Last year around this time I was cursing Lexana. Now I'm jumping with joy with the House of El.

[Autumn]

Oh, and why would Chloe be grateful to Lois? HUH????? That doesn't make any sense. For what? Standing half-heartedly up for her? For standing there gloating as she got the position?

I've never loved Lois, but now I can't stand her whole-heartedly. I don't blame the actress. I blame the writers, the CW, and especially Al Gough and Miles Millar. To think, I once loved the character of Lois Lane. At least, Margot Kidder's version. Now, I can't even stomach Kate Bosworth's Lois, because of Smallville. Not that her character was much inspired either. In my opinion the character of Lois Lane is going down the tubes.

And I despise Grant. Bring back Carrie Fisher, and bring back the Green Arrow.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I hate what Grant is trying to do to the Chlo-Lo.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

...Jeez, you people are upset!!

Chloe is my second favorite character, but I'm not getting so
upset that Lois just got handed a job. It was slightly annoying,
sure, but at least Chloe got to keep her own job in the end.

The thing that annoyed me most in the episode was
the fact that "Only Kara could...."

Been there, done that. Let's move onto something new,
shall we?

Although, it was refreshing that she can't be trusted.
Not that, that's new, but it was a bit unexpected.

I think it's going to take me a little time to warm up to
"Supergirl". I did my research and she really doesn't
seem like THAT bad of a character, if she's handled well.
Her acting wasn't terrible.

The thing that I really don't like about her, specifically,
is her nose. (Yes, her nose.) upturned noses
on girls just look kinda ugly to me sometimes.
It detracts from how I picture Supergirl and think
they could've picked a prettier actress, but that's just me.
Then there's the belly shirt. Always with the
super-girl belly shirt.
(See JLU.)

Guess I'll just have to ignore the shirt and focus on Clark
a bit more.

Wha-?? Lana was cloned ?!
Now that's just crazy. That's another lame cop-out.
Ugh.

My mouth hung open for a second when they
actually showed her jumping into the mail-truck.
Then I laughed thinking 'They were right!',
referring to everyone here on K-site that said so.

Sooo, I wonder what this thing is with the promo for
next week? We just saw Lana, but appearantly
the one that's coming back is different or something?
She gonna turn out to be the alien queen and
have one of her babies suck on Clark's face?
LOL. I'm just being random.

[paolinki25]

I hated the whole clone thing, and omg, wtf is going on with Lex?

[svtwamedfan05]

pretty much any scene dealing with Lana has finally passed its prime.

[Shardz]

2 eps in and no scenes with a major character in the theme song.

where be jimmy!

[tarrow21]

um no..that Lex/Lana scene was brilliant.
They pulled it off much better than I thought they would. 3 cheers for Al and Miles! They didn't desecrate Lana's character and the clone thing worked out well.

wow I'm gonna be hated around here..

[DarkChilde]

Lana Clone.

There are 3 topics that can kill a series.

1) The ever popular "Clone Wars".
2) Time Travelers from the future trying to change the past
3) Alternate Realities.

2 and 3 can be enter twined. But if handled with care these can be ok. But Please don't go and use any as a crutch.

One clone is ok, maybe two(Lana Clark/Bizarro) but please be careful here. We don't want everyone to die just to find out they were all clones.

But to get to 2 and 3, I hated that in Lois and Clark, Roswell, DS9. I did like the way it was done in Babylon 5, because it was planned out ahead of time.

Becareful, I would hate for Smallville to be ruined by a badly done plot line.

[Minela]

Originally posted by tarrow21
um no..that Lex/Lana scene was brilliant.
They pulled it off much better than I thought they would. 3 cheers for Al and Miles! They didn't desecrate Lana's character and the clone thing worked out well.

wow I'm gonna be hated around here..

Nope. I agree with you. Except I'm rooting for Lex. He is becoming my favorite character.

[Brizzle]

yeah lex is becoming more of a weenie than Clark.

I want Lex to be evil.

[Minela]

Originally posted by Brizzle
yeah lex is becoming more of a weenie than Clark.

I want Lex to be evil.

Hold your horses, he'll get there. It is inevitable that he will be evil with a capitol E. But for now I like him like this, it will make his fall to the dark side just that much more dramatic. He is clearly messed up in the head, I can feel him loosing it. One more thing and he'll be pushed over the edge. He still has a concious and I love him for it.

[testingguy]

Jor-el calling Kara Keria

[ginnyfan]

I hated everything Lex said when he arrived in China.

Except the part about Lana being safe in Smallville.

[KEakaCK]

In the trailer for this episode, Martian Manhunter was in this episode talking to Clark about Kara. Guess that'll be part of the deleted scenes in the dvds.
I didn't hate it but just confused a bit, but, how did those government guys know how to open Kara's ship? It's not like it came with an instruction manual.

[Superbeard]

Two words. La. Na.

[CallMeClark]

I really didn't hate a thing... but if I had to choose the Lexana interaction annoyed me. I want her to stay in China a bit longer. ;)

[pizzaguy19]

Originally posted by dru-zod2501
1: Chloe gets s*** on so hard!! I almost cried

4: Fricken retard pronounciatoin!! It's CAR-uh...not CARE-ah

4: Anyone notice "civil-EYE-zation"? That stuck out to me like a sore thumb. Just the way LV talks though, I guess.

1: yea, dunno how she's taking all this.

--------

My #1 hate though was Gabriel. Everything else was "meh, ok a little awkward but it'll work" or "yippee" or "wow that really sucks for X" (Most of the time X being Chloe. :( ).

Gabriel however, /barf. How a guy like that gets to be editor of the DP, I don't know. Why can't they just bring Perry White back? :D Grant won't last the rest of the season, there's some plot device involved with him, I know it.

[FiReFTW]

Originally posted by Autumn
What did I hate about the episode? LOL. First, I'd have to say all of the above. But you didn't even mention what I hated most!

How Chloe was treated in this episode! I just can't stand this show anymore. I mean, what the heck? Let's give the job Chloe's worked her whole life for to Lois, who hasn't worked for it at all. Because that will send a great message to all the young girls out there. "All right boys and girls, if you want your dream job, all you have to do is get your hs diploma paid for by a rich billionaire, get into college from the same rich billionaire who later becomes your mortal enemy, be kicked out of college for drinking and NEVER go back, get a campaign manager position because a nice guy like Jonathan Kent takes pity on you (maybe an internship but the actual position?), then with still no college degree or resume be given a chief of staff position for a senator just because, then while you're chief of staff you start writing for a tabloid, not worrying one bit that it might diminish the senator's reputation by doing so. In fact, she doesn't even have any integrity while working for the tabloid. Plus, not to mention she wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, over a barn falling out of the sky. Please!!! Then she makes up stories about the Green Arrow. And now, she's once again offered a job out of the blue just because, well, she's Lois Lane. Grant even had to say it over and over again. While, Chloe, the real reporter, who's going to school for it, writing truthful stories, and working her way up from the bottom ever since she was 5, is pushed aside, because well boys and girls her name does not start with Lois and end in Lane! All you need to succeed in Smallville is to have the right name. Everyone else is just dumped in the garbage with all the other trash. Then to make up for the lack of chemistry between the two actors, Tom Welling and Erica Durance, they add in another anvil to once again stamp it into our brains that because they are "Lois and Clark" they are destined to be together. Well I'm not buying into it!!!

And who gave this annoying young editor his job? Some rich daddy? He can't act first of all, and second his character was obnoxious. If I was Chloe I'd punch him and then I'd punch Lois for being such a selfish brat.

Chloe's taking night classes, working her butt off during the day writing filler stories, and on top of that helping Clark, and then worrying about her own new power. While Lois runs around finding stories that all relate back to herself. Am I supposed to like her?

What's with these writers?

I hated Kara. I thought the character was annoying, and I thought the actress was mediocre.

I hated Lana. She's an evil witch, who's now going to get away with setting Lex up for her own murder. They dropped the stupid baby plot line with no explanation.

Lex is the villain, but he's the only character I like at this point. Well, him and Chloe (though I wish she'd have an episode where she could speak her mind and tell everyone off for treating her like second fiddle and using her for their own gain).

And what kind of editor would give a tabloid writer (who wouldn't have even been offered that job with what she wrote last season) a high up job at the DP with no real experience, not even one class in journalism, and no credibility whatsoever?

The way they've written Lois Lane has honestly ticked me off. She's comic relief with no credibility whatsoever. All they do is hand her character everything on a silver platter, and then give her an anvil, with irritating swelling music in the background to once again remind us the audience that she's "Lois Lane," as if we've forgotten.

Smallville seems to have picked up on the CW's new campaign of "Get Into It." As if they're trying to force the audience to well... get into it.

I want Jonathan, Martha, Lionel, and the snarky Chloe back. No more crapping on Chloe, no more saint Lana who gets away with murder (literally; yet Clark's still obsessed with her), and no more anvils!!!!!!

Sorry for the long rant, but this episode just ticked me off! So what did I hate about the episode? Just about everything. This show has lost all credibility in my mind. Any girl who's name starts with L on this series, should take a hike in my opinion. No offense to anyone who likes them. I'm just so irritated by that episode!

So let's see what did I like?

1) Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer's little sneak in lines. IE: Chloe taking night classes, Chloe being smarter than Clark (because well at this point he's been acting like an idiot), etc...

2) Lex and Chloe interaction. Too bad it was about Lana.

Well, that's about it. I felt like Supergirl is another annoying female. She's like the Paris Hilton Supergirl worried about her "stuff." Think about it. This whole season will be like a neverending "Ageless" baby plot with Clark taking care of Kara, while him and Lana whine and pine for each other. Except this time, Lana will be keeping secrets. I wonder if Clark will start whining for the truth. Well, heck they need someone to fill the shoes. They'll be in the loft, hugging, and going off about how much they love each other. And then one of them will be hiding something from the other one, and then they'll get angry! It's just like a soap. NO THANK YOU!!!!

No offence , just my 5 cents.

You live in a fantasy world , some points are good but some are not , and you certainly can't for first except ANY movie or show to be the way you wan't and why do you think that the way you want is the best way ?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by FiReFTW
No offence , just my 5 cents.

You need to stop watching smallville because you live in a fantasy world , some points are good but some are stupid , and you certainly can't for first except ANY movie or show to be the way you wan't and why do you think that the way you want is the best way ?

FiReFTW your free to have an opinion and debate on sum1 elses just please reframe from telling fellow posters not to do something

its against forums rules to tell sum1 not to watch sumthing just because they have an opinion

if you dont edit your post fast a mod will warn you and remove the comment themselves

[FiReFTW]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
FiReFTW your free to have an opinion and debate on sum1 elses just please reframe from telling fellow posters not to do something

its against forums rules to tell sum1 not to watch sumthing just because they have an opinion

if you dont edit your post fast a mod will warn you and remove the comment themselves


I changed it abit but I don't see anything wrong with it , as the poster himself said that he/she is fed up with this and hinted that she probably won't watch it anymore.

[MidgardDragon]

I had to vote for Lana was cloned. I hated Grant but I loved hating him, he plays such a great a-hole. But Lana cloned? Why did Lex clone her? If they'd just answered that one question I probably wouldn't have minded the clone at all.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by FiReFTW
Don't watch smallville if you are fed up with it and don't like it

thats just rephrasing, am not getting at you just trying to help you out before a mod warns you

what you just said is still telling sum1 what to do

this is the general rule:

15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville, or any other show we cover, is a terrible show.

[pizzaguy19]

Originally posted by Autumn
What did I hate about the episode? LOL. First, I'd have to say all of the above. But you didn't even mention what I hated most!
[snip]
it. I felt like Supergirl is another annoying female. She's like the Paris Hilton Supergirl worried about her "stuff." [snip]

I agree with a lot of your post, but I think you should at least keep watching tivo or downloads of the show. To me it feels like a setup for Chloe's character. If they're truthfully shoving her aside for Lois, then I'll get down on my knees and apologize to you at the end of the season. But give them a chance to turn things around, it's a lot better story when you're rooting for an underdog (a.k.a. Chloe)!

I also didn't like Kara/Kara's acting and Grant/Grant's acting. It all seemed forced and crappy. I thought Grant's characterization to be particularly laughable. Someone like this would never be the editor of a world class newspaper like the DP. It would be like a tabloid editor getting a hold of the New York Times or the Washington Post, hiring some random person off the street, and running a story about a spaceship they were blabbing about.

Everything about this episode seems a little fishy to me. It's a bit TOO forced to just be what it is on the surface, I mean. Like, how did this guy get to be the editor? I think there's gonna be a major plotline/twist with this guy later on, and Chloe's gonna be the one to break it wide open.

Give it 3, maybe 4 more episodes, I think after that Chloe will be taking a turn for the better. (5 is "Cure," right? That's supposed to be "Chloe's" episode, afaik.)

[FiReFTW]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
thats just rephrasing, am not getting at you just trying to help you out before a mod warns you

what you just said is still telling sum1 what to do

this is the general rule:

15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville, or any other show we cover, is a terrible show.

But she said it herself

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by FiReFTW
But she said it herself

i understand your argument as i was were you are i learnt my lesson when i got warned thats my reason for helping you out

all im saying is is that theres a difference between the person whos saying they wont watch a show to sum1 that tells sum1 else not to

try not to be the dictator thats all

[Estro-gen X]

none of the above- chloe's awful dialogue.

[thehenry89]

i hated grant gabriell, i hated how kara kept saying kal-el like it was a brand of dishwashing liquid, and i hated lana being cloned. Lex needs some serious help ya'll.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by FiReFTW
No offence , just my 5 cents.

You live in a fantasy world , some points are good but some are not , and you certainly can't for first except ANY movie or show to be the way you wan't and why do you think that the way you want is the best way ?

Gee, what the heck is your problem? I live in a fantasy world? I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the episode? Give me a break. I make valid points, and you can disagree with me, that's fine. But to say I live in a fantasy world is just plain disrespectful.

And why do you think what you want is the best way? Please. Everyone has their own opinions. I don't care how other people feel about the show. This is how I felt about the episode. Get over it.

And guess what? Film and tv is an art form, which is always open to subjective criticism. So, I as a fan (sometimes), have the right to say what I expect of a show. It might be different from what you expect, and that's okay.

But I thought your comment was rude and honestly uncalled for. Personally, it ticks me off to have someone tell me I live in a fantasy world. For what? Having an opinion about how they've butchered the Lois Lane character? For having an opinion for how they portray women on television? Real fantasy world.

Honestly, I will not respond to you again, if all you are going to do is be rude and disrespectful.

I hated the episode, and honestly I don't see how that has anything to do with living in a fantasy world. Have I deluded myself into believing they will change the show to what I wish it would be? Uh...no. I gave that up a long time ago. Say, season six when all of the characters were butchered in my opinion. But, still I am glad there are other fans who still have hope. And I personally don't think they are living in a fantasy world. They have an opinion like anyone else, and deserve to be respected.

[FREAK4LLL:P]

This Grant guy sucks. Gives Lois a job without seeing her writig and with the knowlege that she works for the inquisitor and why? Any resume? Any application? Any writing to go on? Absurd. Once again, this Lois Lane gets everything handed to her.

I don't know. The worst part about this episode is that Lois Lane is still a loser getting by on nothing more than good looks, it seems.

Although, impending Clana is horrible too. I wonder if folks flip on SV once in awhile and notice that Lana and Clark are doing the same mating dance since season one? 7 dang years!!!

[Silent Kal]

LANA CLONES?!?!?

I mean, I can buy the whole Super-soldier army thing, but--

LANA CLONES?!?!?!?!?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

lois wasnt going to accept the job until grant challenged her ambitions when he said what did she prefer a life having a family putting on weight reading a newspaper wondering "what if" or going for her ambitions and becoming the DP's top reporter

[samanta]

I hated that Clark, few days after "death" of Lana, the girl he loves, seemed rather interested in Kara.

[skywalker28]

Hate the idea of a Cloned Lana. What I hate worse, is the fact that Lex has her DNA to make more if he really wanted to.

[love_smallville]

Originally posted by RedKalEL
i didn't like how kara kept saying kal el wrong

AMEN!! I was shouting "It's Kal....EL!! Not Kalel"

She drove me crazy :p

[Above the clouds]

What I hated the most was turning Lex Luthor into a pathetic whipped idiot!!!!

My God, the whole Lexana scene made me want to throw up!
"Lana, your so brilliant...so beautiful...I deserve to die because what I did to you"

[Superbeard]

Originally posted by Silent Kal
LANA CLONES?!?!?

I mean, I can buy the whole Super-soldier army thing, but--

LANA CLONES?!?!?!?!?

I'm picturing that episode of Futurama where an army of Lucy Liu robots come marching down the street, bringing destruction wherever they go. :lol:

[samanta]

Originally posted by Above the clouds
What I hated the most was turning Lex Luthor into a pathetic whipped idiot!!!!

My God, the whole Lexana scene made me want to throw up!
"Lana, your so brilliant...so beautiful...I deserve to die because what I did to you" True. That's not the Lex I love to hate. He sounded really pathetic.

[Superbeard]

But at least he's showing remorse. He's still human. Stereotypically cold-hearted through-and-through villains get old. Lex was good natured a few seasons ago, that doesn't just go away completely. And with something as disorienting as his wife backstabbing him and framing him for her murder, well, I'd be kind of depressed too, no matter how rich and cunning I am.

[samanta]

^^
Showing remorse I could deal with but the Lexana scene was overdone IMO. Too pathetic for my liking.

[Superbeard]

True. But it was a scene with Lana in it, so I kind of glossed over it anyway. :p

[Mello Penelo]

Lana. Just another four-letter word.

[MetroGirl06]

I dont like that Grant guy. He kept insulting Chloe and came off as a faker to me, like he was just spewing lines but didn't actually mean them. Not to mention he looks like hes freaking 19 years old!

[Captivated]

What did I hate about "Kara"? That would be KARA herself.

I still can't believe how cheesy and lame this whole "supergirl" addition is. And seriously. How dare this blond bimbo in hot pants FLY before Clark!!?? Way to make his flight LESS special.

Why all the complaining about the new DP editor? Just because his name wasn't Perry White?

He was fine.

[amberdawn]

The clone. Just... what the hell?!

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

I couldn't agree more ! It's like the chloe clark relationship all over back in the beginning chloe was the third wheel always ! now she is getting **** on where she has always been her strongest ! this part of the episode ruined it for me ! im tired of seeing sneaker tread on chloe's face ! i can't belive this was written into the show ! i understand that lois has to get into the dp because we are nearing the ned of smallville but to bring her in and have the editor crap on chloe in front of lois to make himself look all big and bad is disgusting and the fact that lois may date him is even worse ! how could she after how he has spoken to her cousin who just saved her life ! it was just discusting to me and very dissapointing ! they could have brought lois in the dp under alot better terms without bashing chloe ! it would have been one thing if grant would have just said oh chloe lost her fire or chloe has been slacking but he really laid in pratically smacking her in the face ! Plus to say she has not written good stories what about the epispde where lois is taken from the strip club and then the linda lake article those were catchy stories so i don't even know what the hell grant is talking about ! the only thing she omits from her stories is clark ! this is the first time i have ever heard that her stories have been lacking , why wasn't it mentioned in other episodes , why only this one where clearly this guy wanted to be a hard ass to impress a girl ! stupid ,stupid, stupid !
my only hope is chloe comes out on top ! the thing is we know in the future lois works across the desk from clark so eventually what will happen to chloe ? i already have a guess but i will not post it hear !

[Kriminal]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
None of the above.

I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.

grant gabriel guy has the hots for lois so he tries to make lois look good in front of chloe, which at times did and other times didnt. Overall it was a little wrong that he insulted chloe like that but he's the boss so he can pretty much do whatever he wants.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

Originally posted by RedKalEL
i didn't like how kara kept saying kal el wrong
I like the way she says it. Remember this is a Kryptonian name. We may be saying it wrong. I can picture her saying KAAL el. Too long. Cul El sounds better.

[operadiva]

Don't get me started on the Lana clone ****...Kara on the other hand was great..no complaints...

And about the Chloe thing with that idiot editor..my hope is that she squashes him like a bug...Hope her powers kick in soon..and kick his grimy ass to the curb...

[Dodge006]

A few things, but I had to vote for the get out of jail free card. Lionel was in jail forever without a body for his crimes. He was in jail for half a season.

[Theshadow129x]

i have to say there was alot of problems in this episode. the whole going to the fortress thing at the end defeated the purpose of things for me. kara's intentions didnt make sense, lex finding out about lana so fast especially after he thought he should be good from now on in last weeks episode, chloe coming off as 'no help' , the fact that the clone thing came out of no where when they didnt even bring it up last season, lois getting a job at the planet when she didnt do anything to be granted a job.


ugh here we go again. after a fantastic premiere smallville manages to screw things up.

[beatles4]

I don't care much for the actress playing Kara. Her face doesn't seem to have much personality.

[YouandMe1105]

The Lex "Nutless Wonder" Luthor scene. Good lord, he's supposed to be the villian! After taking the gun from Lana, he does NOTHING? COME ON!

[Spirit Detective]

When Clark said that Chloe was smarter than Kara and himself combined

The shot of Kara in midair in the beginning telling Clark to take Lois and back off.

[clarkbunny]

None of the above but just about EVERYTHING about the episode.
Especially Kara and Grant and the whole clone crap and Lana not going off on Lex about the baby AND Lex not going off on Lana about setting him up. It was all just one steaming pile of sh*t!

Hated the whole Lois is better than Chloe crap and moving Lois to the DP. That girl needs to make a name for herself at the Inquisitor and then move and not before. Also hated Clark saying Chloe was smarter than him & Kara put together - WHAT?? Clark isn't dumb.

I wish they would just drop a giant anvil from the sky that would squash both Grant and Kara to death in one fell swoop. I could forgive the big plot hole for that freak accident. Then Chloe and Clark could talk about it a few episodes down the line, Chloe would be like "Oh remember when Grant & Kara got squashed to death by the giant anvil" and Clark would say "Yes, I remember that day - I believe we had cake". Then they would both laugh :lol:

[Mr.White]

The part where Kara asks Clark why he can't defy gravity and he gives a rather lame answer. Then she says how true it is on Earth that "girls learn faster than boys". Great way for the show to tell viewers that the main character is a loser and a dope. As long as the show has Hot Pants Kara leading Clark by the nose Smallville continues to devalue the main character more and more and more.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I also hated when Clark said "She's smarter than the 2 of us" about Chloe. How much more of a moron are they gonna show him as? Clark/Superman is supposed to also have super intelligence. This breakdown of Clark really pisses me off.
omigosh, don't even get me started.

...too late...

That is a big thing that irritates me about smallville. at one point in time, Clark did have super intelligence. It was the first season. they showed several times where he could do complicated math real fast in his head, or the super memory. the last little hint of super intelligence we got was the mention in "red" where Chloe told clark that he may be able to blow off studying, but the rest of them needed to, indicating that he was smart enough to just not have to study. and now he's just this big powerful idiot that needs super chloe to explain every little thing to him. It's just soooo irritating! He is supposed to have super intelligance!

maybe all the kryptonite in smallville has hindered only that particular power of his.....i'm grasping at strings here.....

[TML]

The fact that a kryptonian being under the sun some weeks is able to fly, unlike the kryptonian who has lived under the yellow sun for some 20 years.


Originally posted by maryjanewatson
omigosh, don't even get me started.

...too late...

That is a big thing that irritates me about smallville. at one point in time, Clark did have super intelligence. It was the first season. they showed several times where he could do complicated math real fast in his head, or the super memory. the last little hint of super intelligence we got was the mention in "red" where Chloe told clark that he may be able to blow off studying, but the rest of them needed to, indicating that he was smart enough to just not have to study. and now he's just this big powerful idiot that needs super chloe to explain every little thing to him. It's just soooo irritating! He is supposed to have super intelligance!

maybe all the kryptonite in smallville has hindered only that particular power of his.....i'm grasping at strings here.....
Hence I also wonder how some catch on to flying in an instant and Clark can't in something under 20 years.

I also agree that they are making Clark seem increasingly simple, and it's very annoying.

Why couldn't Clark simply be perfect? The powers, incredible intelligence and massive courage? Why does he have to have some "flaws", the others would still have a role.

[Serynarpc]

Originally posted by Runestone
Exactly.

And why should Chloe be grateful of Lois? She tried halfheartedly to give Chloe the story, but still.

I also hated how Lex was portrayed.

Why indeed? Should Chloe be grateful Lois didn't go 'You're right, my cousin does suck!'?

Its natural that Lois would defend her own blood, I wouldn't trip all over myself saying that it was noble of Lois and Chloe should be grateful. Chloe should be pissed as hell and start playing hardball.

[mistaguitarmasta]

i hated grant gabriel too. he SO wants in ED's pants...those tight, tight pants....::daydream::

[Who]

No Shelby!

[Vatusia]

Well... I will say, for those who aren't happy about Chloe getting shat upon this week, that for more than 6 seasons Chloe has also gotten breaks that would be unusual to say the least for a young woman without even a journalism degree. And it doesn't seem that Chloe slept her way up either....

All right, writers. What I REALLY want to see is CLARK also handed his first journalism position by some editor - male or female - who fancies that superphysique. After all, it is canonical that Clark - NOT Lois - gets his first break in journalism from someone who's hot for him; in the comics, it was Simone D'Neige who took Clarkie under her wing, so to speak.

Let's not sling ALL the mud at the females. Thanks. :rolleyes:

[PKII]

Anyone notice that when Clark learned Kara was his cousin he backed away from her a bit. :lol: He was attracted to her till then. :eek:

[clarkbunny]

I don't think Clark backed away 'cos he was attracted to Kara, I think he backed away 'cos he couldn't believe he was related to someone with an attitude like hers.

It would be like if Clark found out he was related to Lois.

I watched very closely Clark's interaction with Kara up until that point and there was no indication whatsoever that he was attracted to her at all. He just wanted to find out who she was and where she came from. People are seeing an attraction that was never there.

[Ares]

Yep Clarks is somewhat of an Underacheiver

[ARTBUNKER]

she didnt interact with JOR-EL,

She didnt tell clark why her father and his didnt get along

[lauraforever]

Grant Gabriel because he was very mean to Chloe! Yet we all know that in the end Lois stays in Reporter World and Chloe is never heard from again... :(

If you could vote more options than one I would also add the FOS bit, since Clark didn't meet Kara in "Bizarro" , I don't think Jor-El would have known about her yet. That part should have been like after his encounter with his cousin.

Plus the fact that *POOF!* Lex is suddenly out of jail. Could have had him a little longer in there. . .

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

haha people don't like Grant because he was mean. I don't like him for that either, but that's good writing... we haven't had a rude character like that in a while :)


I voted for Lana clone (ew.)

[jewfroboy]

i liked this ep as an overall, though i have seen the trailer for the next one ahhhh don't get me started!

[kal-el_Girl]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
I hated that they seemingly would have Chloe all sad about being a freak and then crap on her lifelong dream and literally hand it to Lois in one episode.
exactly I couldn't had put it in better words. what a sad turning of events for our chloe, BTW why do writers hate her that much?

[dvg89]

I didnt like the ship disappearing and I do not like Grant. But the thing I did not like the most was Lex getting out way too early

[Estro-gen X]

I don't think Clark backed away 'cos he was attracted to Kara, I think he backed away 'cos he couldn't believe he was related to someone with an attitude like hers.

It would be like if Clark found out he was related to Lois.

I watched very closely Clark's interaction with Kara up until that point and there was no indication whatsoever that he was attracted to her at all. He just wanted to find out who she was and where she came from. People are seeing an attraction that was never there.


oh he was attacted to her, super-incest is legendary

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Superman_and_Supergirl.jpg


What did I hate about "Kara"? That would be KARA herself.

I still can't believe how cheesy and lame this whole "supergirl" addition is. And seriously. How dare this blond bimbo in hot pants FLY before Clark!!?? Way to make his flight LESS special.

Why all the complaining about the new DP editor? Just because his name wasn't Perry White?

He was fine.

How is it cheesy, his canonical cousin is introduced into a show about him, shocker! How dare she, she's fictional, you are acting like its a personal insult to clark who is fictional. How dare this young female fly when a man cannot, they weren't even that backward thinking in the 1950's! Calling her a blond bimbo, what has her hair colour got to do with anything? And a bimbo, well that implies shes dumb but smallville showed she is far from that. Even in this episode 'we don't have time to wait for primitive technology' and when she rolled her eyes at the thought of chloe being smarter than her. 'She's only human'. What do her hotpants have to do with this as well? Flight is not special, every superhero and their uncle fly some way or another.

here have some hotpants- http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dccomics/200803/dcdirect/justice_s8_sg.jpg

[Raistlin]

I hated Lana. She's an evil witch, who's now going to get away with setting Lex up for her own murder. They dropped the stupid baby plot line with no explanation.Lana has never been an evil witch. It's not difficult to see why she would set Lex up for her murder. Lex violated her body not once, but twice. He took her DNA without permission so that he could create a clone of her. He injected her with massive doses of hormones so that she would believe she was pregnant and to force a marriage with him. He lied to her and manipulated her throughout season 5; he was instrumental in Clark's breakup with her by hiring Simone, and last but not least, Lana had every right to be worried about her safety after learning the types of projects Lex was spearheading at LuthorCorp. The "stupid baby plot" wasn't dropped without explanation. Once Lana and Lex were married, he stopped injecting her and she "miscarried."
I want Jonathan, Martha, Lionel, and the snarky Chloe back. No more crapping on Chloe, no more saint Lana who gets away with murderI believe Chloe shot and killed that kid in Hidden. Oh wait, they were struggling over the gun. Maybe it was self defense. What was her excuse for killing that Sebastian (?) kid? Oh, wait she was possessed by Brainiac. I don't see any difference in those instances and Isobel (possessing Lana's body) killing Genevieve in self defense or Morgan Edge's henchman falling into a pitchfork when he and Lana were struggling in the Kent barn. I like Chloe almost as much as I like Lana. But I don't turn a blind eye to either character's foibles or try to paint one better at the expense of the other. YMMV

[Superboogie]

I don't see any difference in those instances and Isobel (possessing Lana's body) killing Genevieve in self defense or Morgan Edge's henchman falling into a pitchfork when he and Lana were struggling in the Kent barn. I like Chloe almost as much as I like Lana. But I don't turn a blind eye to either character's foibles or try to paint one better at the expense of the other. YMMV
I took it as either Isobel killing her or Lana in self defense. I don't think Isobel needed self defense as she was shown to possess magical abilities and being stronger than normal humans. What makes it look really bad for Lana is that she hid the "accident" from the police, making it a serious crime.

[Raistlin]

I took it as either Isobel killing her or Lana in self defense. I don't think Isobel needed self defense as she was shown to possess magical abilities and being stronger than normal humans. What makes it look really bad for Lana is that she hid the "accident" from the police, making it a serious crime. Lana did not hide the crime. Cousin Lex stepped in and took care of everything. Lana was in shock after the incident, and if I recall, the events following that went from bad to worse really fast. But again, people are always ready to tar and feather Lana for everything that happens in Smallville; while others who have committed the same or similar "crimes" get off scott free. Regarding Isobel, she had sworn revenge on Genevieve's ancestors so reappearing to kill her nemesis with or without the self defense claim was no big deal.

[Superboogie]

It doesn't matter if Lex did care of everything. Lana was still aware it was a crime to do so yet she went with it. That just makes them crime partners. I can't speak for anyone else but it doesn't matter whether it was Lana or any other character, it wouldn't change my opinion.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

But again, people are always ready to tar and feather Lana for everything that happens in Smallville; while others who have committed the same or similar "crimes" get off scott free.

I think how the character is portrayed makes her an easy target. The other characters aren't shown as being saints which Lana was made out to be more than once. She's all about secrets and lies being bad for you. When she does the opposite and doesn't face the results of her actions it can make viewers mad.

After the shock wore off Lana could have reported what she did. The actual shock seemed to be fear of being in the situation and having blood on her hands, not that she actually killed someone and felt sorry for it.

[Raistlin]

It doesn't matter if Lex did care of everything. Lana was still aware it was a crime to do so yet she went with it. That just makes them crime partners. I can't speak for anyone else but it doesn't matter whether it was Lana or any other character, it wouldn't change my opinion.

Fair enough. By that reasoning, I guess you feel the same about Chloe's involvement in the deaths of the kid in "Hidden" or the guy she killed while possessed by Brainiac. We have no evidence that Chloe owned up to her part in either incident nor that she reported the crimes to the authorities. How about Clark? He's been on the scene of at least one death he was responsible for: Tina. Did he stick around and explain things to the sheriff or did he just let her come to her own conclusion? What's good for Lana is good for everyone else in Smallville.

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I think how the character is portrayed makes her an easy target. The other characters aren't shown as being saints which Lana was made out to be more than once. She's all about secrets and lies being bad for you. When she does the opposite and doesn't face the results of her actions it can make viewers mad.

Lana was never portrayed as a saint. IMO, Lana hatred blinded [some] viewers to everything about the character. If you are viewing the character through Clark's POV then I guess that colors your perception. But if you look at Lana through her own eyes, you see someone quite different. At her core, Lana was sweet and trusting and innocent. But no one can stay that way forever, and by real world standards, Lana was treated quite badly by Clark despite all his declarations of undying love. The idea that she could still be in love with him after 6 years of Clark-crap requires total suspension of disbelief. Clark taught Lana all about keeping secrets and telling lies. And 19-year-old Lana is not 14-year-old Lana. The results of Lana's secrets were long term. They left her vulnerable to Lex's manipulation and control, sent her down a path of hatred and revenge, and visited untold pain and suffering on her. I call that a pretty steep price.


After the shock wore off Lana could have reported what she did. The actual shock seemed to be fear of being in the situation and having blood on her hands, not that she actually killed someone and felt sorry for it.

See my response about the actions of others in similar circumstances above. Your opinion [of Lana's feelings and actions] is just that. I saw a girl looking trapped into a corner when Lana read the article in the paper about the Teagues' deaths. I didn't see any evidence of lack of remorse or concern about herself. Of course, YMMV.

[Superboogie]

Fair enough. By that reasoning, I guess you feel the same about Chloe's involvement in the deaths of the kid in "Hidden" or the guy she killed while possessed by Brainiac. We have no evidence that Chloe owned up to her part in either incident nor that she reported the crimes to the authorities. How about Clark? He's been on the scene of at least one death he was responsible for: Tina. Did he stick around and explain things to the sheriff or did he just let her come to her own conclusion? What's good for Lana is good for everyone else in Smallville.
Yes, I feel the same about Chloe in Hidden. But with Chloe later on, it's not clear whether she was herself or controlled by Brainiac in a lot of things she did. It's not clear if she remembered anything afterwards. She should definitely have reported to the police if she was herself or remembered something after she carried Doomsday's carnage to the trash or when she/Brainiac killed Sebastian Kane for example. As for Clark, his most unbelievable doing was the life trade in Reckoning and I don't think it was acceptable at all. The thing is, I don't just accept and justify Lana's actions because some other character did similar things and got away with it.

[Raistlin]

The thing is, I don't just accept and justify Lana's actions because some other character did similar things and got away with it.

That's fine. Just don't have separate standards of behavior for different characters, which is how your original statement came across to me, and why I pointed out the dubious actions by others. BTW, I will call Lana out when she does something questionable; however, in this instance, she gets the same pass as the others did from me. Thanks for the discussion. ;)