Awww...Poor Chloe :(

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by SteveS
He appears to be a very poor manager of personnel and if he continually repeats that kind of performance, my guess is that legitimate complaints could be made against him with professionally negative consequences. The days of absolute and dictatorial authority of managers is long over, but it is too early for all that. Let it ride for awhile and see how things turn out.



Thanks for asking even if I wasn't the one you asked.

lois can not carry on an intelligent mature conversation, certainly not more than say 2-3 minutes tops. When a person can not formulate a thought and articulate it, it is most unlikely that they can express themselves much better in writing. The words are formed in one's head firstly. It is doubtful that lois poor academic background and video-game practice has made her a good writer...'her prose flew off the page...get real, dude.

i like you ! you have tact and maturity , i appreciate that ! seriously i like the way you explained that about the editor ! i tend to come off a little argumentative when i don't mean to and you made my point without being hostile . i need training LOL !

[SteveS]

The fact that you recognize that you need training shows that you are on the right track, just keep it going and you will be fine and dandy.

"I don't think he was an ass. What did he say that was sooooo out of line? I don't recall one word."

Am I surprised that a loisette would not recognize a lack of tact if it was in front of their face? No.

Any constructive criticism this guy had to say could have been done in a non-demeaning manner. His rudeness and lois' general rudeness tell me these two are potential soulmates.

[dimeo782002]

Any constructive criticism this guy had to say could have been done in a non-demeaning manner. His rudeness and lois' general rudeness tell me these two are potential soulmates.

LOL ! thats cool !

[Honey45]

Originally posted by operadiva
kiariclois..would you like your boss..to demean you in front of someone..and then to Flaunt remarks like she has more passion than you do..and you think that is cool..better yet professional...ah..No...It was stupid..it only showed that he is an ass...Can we say someone pin the tail on the donkey!

I don't know how old you are, but you'll see once you get into the workforce that life is unfair. Almost every boss acts this way. Yes, it's mean. Yes, it hurts peoples feelings. But it happens - a LOT. That's why some people don't think Chloe deserves all this sympthy. She's 20 or 21 years old, she needs to accept the adult life that is the workforce and mean bosses. It sucks, but almost everyone goes through it.

[Minela]

Originally posted by HeddyH
I don't know how old you are, but you'll see once you get into the workforce that life is unfair. Almost every boss acts this way. Yes, it's mean. Yes, it hurts peoples feelings. But it happens - a LOT. That's why some people don't think Chloe deserves all this sympthy. She's 20 or 21 years old, she needs to accept the adult life that is the workforce and mean bosses. It sucks, but almost everyone goes through it.

Everything he told her was the truth. He said nothing that wasn't deserved. Plus, I don't think he said anything to her that was so awful or rude. I mean, he even gave her two or three compliments.

[Mary Sullivan]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Grant was an ass and it's obvious Chloe is made to look like the underdog. Can't wait for Chloe to get on top. Same here. :)

[Sexyman]

Originally posted by SteveS


Am I surprised that a loisette would not recognize a lack of tact if it was in front of their face? No.

Any constructive criticism this guy had to say could have been done in a non-demeaning manner. His rudeness and lois' general rudeness tell me these two are potential soulmates.

Indeed Steve S, once I saw this new Grant guy, he reminded me of Lois, rude, blabber mouth, annoying. etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Lois hooked up with this man who looks like he is 17.

Lois may have got into the DP, but she hasn't done one thing to deserve it. All lois fans know deep down, that her ass should have at least went back to school and got a diploma. But Smallvilles Lois gets her silver platter all the time. And that is supposed to make us forget whom she really is, which is a irresponsible, unintelligent, blabber mouth, who will truly never be more successful than her cousin.

You see my friends, Smallville messed up by making Ms. Sullivan the real reporter, so now they must buff Lois up even though she doesn't deserve this to fix this mess of a character. But it is she (Lois) who will always be an insult to the Superman Legacy.

[kryptonite_123]

That new editor is a jerk, Chloe hasnt lost her spark, she had just decided to persue other stories which dont have anything to do with alian boy. She could have been a star reporter by exposing Clark but she didnt. The guy was so offensive to her. Though it wasn't Lois's fault at all. I really hope that the writers of Smallville made that just a scene for the editor to push her so that she does go out there and prove him wrong and that the insults were just an encouragement, though very unlikely by the looks of it. Chloe does not need to be treated like crap. She had had the journalism flare since the first episode and now after all those years of hard work she is being spat at like that. I really hope the writers turn this around. If not then what the hell is smallville turning into. :(

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by dimeo782002
, i AGREE that she has been distracted from her work because of her personal sitautions that have been going on ! i never said that was untrue ! im saying that he did not have to be sarcastic , there is a way of doing things without tearing people apart inside , but some people care who they hurt and some don't i guess thats the problem here . i am a chloe fan and i see nothing wrong if he see's her works is not what it was! what i don't like is he is really rude , and i would say it even if it was another chracter i would say it . i don't like grant i think he is a jerk .
and i do not like being stereo typed

What I posted before this didn't have anything to do with you. I quoted cotton candy girl. I didn't say a single thing to you, so you being "stereotyped" has nothing to do with me.

And what Grant did was called tough love. He was correct in speaking to her exactly the way he did.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Dude, Chloe should be co-editor w/ Perry!

She'd make such a good co-editor, I mean c'mon. She's a hacker, and has some integrity! AND... that leaves good spots for da cuzzies, then Lois can be a reporter and work with Chloe, Clark and Jimmy. :D :D :D

I felt bad for Chloe too, I wish Lois would have spoken up again in front of the editor. I can understand her wanting a job... but it was REALLY OCC of her to just stand there. Lois has never held her tongue before, why now? I still thought Lois was gonna yell at him and be like, "UH NO! I'm going to go rock this story at the inqusitor, you suck editor!"

[jazel]

he knows where she stands..... the alone talk remember.
my guess he wants to see BOTH girls, to give it their all.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by operadiva
kiariclois..would you like your boss..to demean you in front of someone..and then to Flaunt remarks like she has more passion than you do..and you think that is cool..better yet professional...ah..No...It was stupid..it only showed that he is an ass...Can we say someone pin the tail on the donkey!

HA! No, no one would like to be demeaned by their boss as if their a bit of dog poo they stepped on, on the way to work. But truth is, it happens every day.

[morrigan01]

Originally posted by SteveS

lois can not carry on an intelligent mature conversation, certainly not more than say 2-3 minutes tops. When a person can not formulate a thought and articulate it, it is most unlikely that they can express themselves much better in writing.

Ha! Excuse me while I LMAO at this statement. :rotfl:

Do you have *any idea* the number of professional published writers who have said time and again they absolutely abhor public speaking? Or are just absolute socially inept *******s in real life? Being able to write well is in *no way* related with being well spoken or interacting well with people. I don't know where you got that idea from.

Really, do you even *know* how much of a ******* Ernest Hemingway was in real life? Intelligent and mature are two of the last words people who knew him ever would have used to describe him. Yet, he's still considered to be one of the most important and brilliant writers of the 20th century. (Though I've never cared for his work myself. I was/am much more into F. Scott Fitzgerald; who btw had a certifiably insane wife - I'm not kidding, she was committed to a mental hospital at one point - named Zelda who was *also* a semi-successful writer as well).

It's kinda like famous, brilliant actors who confess that, in there real lives, they're actually rather quite and shy people. Al Pacino is well known as being - off the set - like that, but you'd never know it from the kinds of roles he plays.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Does it really matter?

I mean it's not like Chloe is gonna be around forever. This is probably her last season any way.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by SteveS

Any constructive criticism this guy had to say could have been done in a non-demeaning manner. His rudeness and lois' general rudeness tell me these two are potential soulmates.

Not to mention you :lol: We're talking about Grant being the rude one and you're dragging Lois in it... You really hate Lois and what you've posted about her are mostly rude and offensive to Lois fans...

Constructive criticism could have done in so many ways and it's depend on the individual itself... For one thing, Grant character reminds me of Perry White on the Superman Movies and Perry's far lot worse than that...

[hanemg]

You know I keep hearing that Lois didn’t “earn” the job at the Daily Planet or doesn’t “deserve” it, but frankly other than this being a knee jerk reaction to Chloe getting slammed by Grant I really don’t understand this reaction.

Lois actually investigated a story. She went out, talked to sources, collected evidence, and actually tracked down the alien ship. An effort that was obviously a difficult task because Chloe herself was unable to do it per her own words. In the mean time we the viewer are introduced to Grant whom TPTB make a point as portraying as a qualified and respectable journalism. We know this because Chloe references him as an upcoming star the Daily Planet courted and his merits are further expounded upon by the fact that he was recognized and honored by his peers within the journalistic community both within and without the Daily Planet.

Now you can take issue all you want with his comments to Chloe because they’re irrelevant to the subject we’re discussing. The fact is that the writers and producers have depicted a qualified journalist who recognized Lois’ efforts, offered her a challenge regarding finding a story (a challenge by the way that has precedence not only by way of a similar offer being made to Chloe once upon a time, but also how Clark himself has gotten hired in other versions of the mythos), and in the end according to canon likes her prose style and offers her a job.

Now regardless of what your personal preferences and feelings about the character I’m willing to bet that no one here has ever actually read a complete Lois Lane story and can’t speak to her prose style. I know this because Lois Lane is a fictional character and therefore has never actually written any real articles and so if we’ve seen anything at all they’ve been outtakes and brief glimpses of written material done by various staff writers assigned to do so on the show. And since she isn’t real the only thing we know about her writing is what the show tells us. To date canon says that in “Façade” many readers of the Torch found her article apparently not only well written but I believe in one case was “life changing”, her stories on Green Arrow apparently got national attention, and finally in “Kara” Grant remarks that her style jumped off the page at him.

In summation, basing our information on canon and not on likes or dislikes we have a woman who apparently has a talent for writing, who definitely puts herself out there to investigate a story, and obviously can track down a lead since she did indeed find the ship. She’s not perfect by any means, but according to canon does have talent.

So how exactly does she not “deserve” or “earn” the job at the Daily Planet?

I’m really curious about the answer and I sincerely hope it has nothing to do with Grant’s bashing of Chloe, because that has nothing whatsoever to do with Lois’ talents or lack thereof. Chloe’s presence in the various scenes during that episode are irrelevant to the fact that Grant became intrigued by Lois’ reports of an alien ship, challenged her to find a story, and ultimately liked her ambition and her written work. Basing any like or dislike of Lois and her work based purely upon what you see as Chloe-bashing only serves to demean Lois solely for the purposes to prop Chloe up and has no real basis in fact. And that to put it bluntly is sad.

[Poweranimals]

^Agreed.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by hanemg
So how exactly does she not “deserve” or “earn” the job at the Daily Planet?


It's because the effort is unequal. Up until now we've been lead to believe that getting a job at the planet takes a lot of work and then a new editor comes along and hires someone from a tabloid who wasn't even looking for a job.

It seems pretty fair to have a problem with that.

[Jory]

Just as Grant's put downs on Chloe were to prop Lois up. IMO. I think that's a shame and wasn't needed. What was the point of having Grant constantly bash Chloe,really? Can someone offer me some valid reasons why it was necessary? Once fine,but every single time is a little much,IMO. I get that TPTB want Chloe out of journalism,but couldn't they have found a better way that didn't demean the character?

Why not have Grant speak privately to Chloe if it was to "lit a fire under her butt"? If Grant feels that Chloe's "burnt out" and "lost it",why didn't he just fire her? If he feels so strongly that she can't get her "mojo" back (as it appears with the constant put downs) why keep her on?

What was with the constant, "you suck Chloe,you suck"? It didn't seem to serve any purpose other than to divide, futher, an already divided fan base. That was/is harmful. I think it's silly to pit two characters against each other. As a fan of both Chloe and Lois this turn of events saddens me greatly.

[hanemg]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
It's because the effort is unequal. Up until now we've been lead to believe that getting a job at the planet takes a lot of work and then a new editor comes along and hires someone from a tabloid who wasn't even looking for a job.

It seems pretty fair to have a problem with that.
I don't agree at all. Exactly how have we been lead to believe that getting a job at the Planet take a great deal of effort?

Chloe got in the first time because she did Lionel a favor and he told them to hire her. The second time she went to Kahn who only agrred to see her in order to dress her down, but then offered her a deal. Bring me a story and I'll give you a job in the basement (sound familiar?)

For that matter I don't think we were ever told how Jimmy got his job.

[xaosthry]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Grant was an ass and it's obvious Chloe is made to look like the underdog. Can't wait for Chloe to get on top.

I like Chloe on top. hehe

[Reuben]

That editor was a real prick towards Chloe. Poor Chloe

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by hanemg
You know I keep hearing that Lois didn’t “earn” the job at the Daily Planet or doesn’t “deserve” it, but frankly other than this being a knee jerk reaction to Chloe getting slammed by Grant I really don’t understand this reaction.

Lois actually investigated a story. She went out, talked to sources, collected evidence, and actually tracked down the alien ship. An effort that was obviously a difficult task because Chloe herself was unable to do it per her own words. In the mean time we the viewer are introduced to Grant whom TPTB make a point as portraying as a qualified and respectable journalism. We know this because Chloe references him as an upcoming star the Daily Planet courted and his merits are further expounded upon by the fact that he was recognized and honored by his peers within the journalistic community both within and without the Daily Planet.

Now you can take issue all you want with his comments to Chloe because they’re irrelevant to the subject we’re discussing. The fact is that the writers and producers have depicted a qualified journalist who recognized Lois’ efforts, offered her a challenge regarding finding a story (a challenge by the way that has precedence not only by way of a similar offer being made to Chloe once upon a time, but also how Clark himself has gotten hired in other versions of the mythos), and in the end according to canon likes her prose style and offers her a job.

Now regardless of what your personal preferences and feelings about the character I’m willing to bet that no one here has ever actually read a complete Lois Lane story and can’t speak to her prose style. I know this because Lois Lane is a fictional character and therefore has never actually written any real articles and so if we’ve seen anything at all they’ve been outtakes and brief glimpses of written material done by various staff writers assigned to do so on the show. And since she isn’t real the only thing we know about her writing is what the show tells us. To date canon says that in “Façade” many readers of the Torch found her article apparently not only well written but I believe in one case was “life changing”, her stories on Green Arrow apparently got national attention, and finally in “Kara” Grant remarks that her style jumped off the page at him.

In summation, basing our information on canon and not on likes or dislikes we have a woman who apparently has a talent for writing, who definitely puts herself out there to investigate a story, and obviously can track down a lead since she did indeed find the ship. She’s not perfect by any means, but according to canon does have talent.

So how exactly does she not “deserve” or “earn” the job at the Daily Planet?

I’m really curious about the answer and I sincerely hope it has nothing to do with Grant’s bashing of Chloe, because that has nothing whatsoever to do with Lois’ talents or lack thereof. Chloe’s presence in the various scenes during that episode are irrelevant to the fact that Grant became intrigued by Lois’ reports of an alien ship, challenged her to find a story, and ultimately liked her ambition and her written work. Basing any like or dislike of Lois and her work based purely upon what you see as Chloe-bashing only serves to demean Lois solely for the purposes to prop Chloe up and has no real basis in fact. And that to put it bluntly is sad.

Wow!! Your post took my breath away... Well said and I do agree with you ;)

[Dodge006]

It's just time to start phasing her out. She has nothing to do with Superman and she's only a part of Smallville. I do like her but it's been a long time coming.

[Dor el]

Originally posted by morrigan01
I think you mean Oracle.

And hey, Barbara Gordon hasn't gotten shot yet, so the job is open. :)

Thanks.

SV Lois is scrappy and feisty and has the tenacity required to make a great reporter. Chloe is smart and analytical which are also attributes of a great reporter. I would like to see them work together. I also think that if TPTB do not kill Chloe off, they have a vastly different direction for Chloe other than being a reporter.

Grant may have had a point, but based on his limited knowledge of Chloe and what she had done, I think he treated Chloe unnecessarily badly. Will this motivate Chloe? I suspect it will. One of my problems with Grant's rant was the apparent enjoyment he had while he denounced Chloe. I still think he has more on his mind than just inspiring an aspiring reporter and giving her a big break.

[jazel]

Originally posted by Dodge006
It's just time to start phasing her out. She has nothing to do with Superman and she's only a part of Smallville. I do like her but it's been a long time coming.
you said it ! :D
unfortunately, many aren't fans of Superman. :(

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by jazel
you said it ! :D
unfortunately, many aren't fans of Superman. :(

At least most of them are here not elsewhere... :rotfl:

Like what Al and Miles said, there's two groups of fan... Fans who are passionate about Superman and fans who don't know anything about Superman (or merely ignore the mythos :p)

[jazel]

lol, I was thinking of the fans who keep insisting, SV has NOTHING to do w/ Superman.:p

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by jazel
lol, I was thinking of the fans who keep insisting, SV has NOTHING to do w/ Superman.:p

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Change all the characters' names and I'll agree to that anytime... :lol:


So yeah, I re-watched the episode again (for like a million times :lol: ) and the more I watch it, the more I feel less sorry for Chloe... I wonder why? I think something big is about to come in Chloe's way... A good one, maybe... :p

One more day to go for serious revision for moi... :lol:

[Chloe Sullivan 2010]

I can't wait until Chloe breaks loose and shows everyone what she can do. That DP jerk won't know what hit him! Mwahahahaha

[poisonpen]

I really don't feel sorry for Chloe. She's the one with the experience and the passion and has been writing for a long time. Lois is a rookie and she still manages to get a job at the DP? This is obviously something that will be used to light a fire under Chloe. I do feel like Lois deserves the job (based on natural talent), but Chloe's got the resume and the experience. I feel like this is really going to get Chloe going and ready to get that old fire back.

[Billy Jor-El]

In some regards I'm reminded of someone I once worked for. He would belittle, scream, and rant at what a moron you were and didn't belong in the business. In reality, this was only because he knew you could do better, and believed in you. He would light a fire under you and make you do better. Worked like a charm. the time to worry was when he didn't say anything, then he really didn't think you were up to his standards, and probably weren't long for the company.

[poisonpen]

That is very true. I don't think Grant's doing it on purpose, but it will definitely get Chloe going in the right direction.

[kiariclois]

Ehe... Bosses have different tactics to get their staff improve... ;)

[samanta]

Originally posted by Minela
Actually, I was a little ticked of at Chloe in that episode. Not too much since I was too busy doing my happy dance for Lois, but I've been feeling like that for a while. Chloe is always the one who is pushing the other characters to get into journalism, esspecially Clark and Lois. I think she just feels she is a really great reporter and kind of likes being in that role and didn't feel threatend by Clark or Lois at all. Than when Lois was writing for the Inquisitor Chloe was a little condescending, like; "Awww, good old Lo writing for the Inquisitor how cute, it's really nice she is doing something for herself." Than when Clark accused her of being a little jelaous in "Arrow" she dissmissed it like, "Yeah right! That will be the day." Thinking she is so above Lois that she doesn't deem her worthy to be compared to herself. Than last night she didn't even consider the fact that Lois could write a good story. She was shocked at the fact that the new boy wonder editor would even consider hiring Lois and even tried to shut Lois up about the UFO story. Than when all was said and done (even though she knew Lois had seen the UFO and she was right), she was laughing all happy with Lois when she told her she is "...no Chloe Sullivan, and never will be..." she was smiling like, "Yup. That's right." than being all supportive, like she is somehow qualified to defend Lois' writing. "Awww it's only her first piece, don't be to harsh on her, give her a chance, awww" and than she was SHOCKED that the editor loved the writing and totally perplexed that Lois got a job. If she really would have been supportive and thought Lois was a good writer, she wouldn't have been so shocked and condescending. Well, Chloe didn't take Lois take seriously at first. Given Lois track with with her work, I can understand it. I'm not saying Chloe isn't competitive because she's.
I don't think Chloe actually thought Lois isn't able to writte good story. Quite contrary. She was afraid what she could find out about the ship and how it could lead he to Clark.
Of course, she was trying to shut Lois up about UFO. It was related to Clark.
The editor came and said the story was horrible. Chloe was only defending her. That's nothing bad about it. Lois was doing similar thing before with GG.
Lois was shocked a lot too. When editor says it's horrible but gives you job nevertheless it's rather surprising IMO.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by hanemg
I don't agree at all. Exactly how have we been lead to believe that getting a job at the Planet take a great deal of effort?


Because we've seen a character put a lot of effort into it towards that goal from the very beginning (the paper, the daily planet summer internship, which is where she met Jimmy, I'm sure it helped them both get a job there), I thought the idea was working at the planet was meant to be a big thing.

It's been something that Chloe worked towards for many years, with the school paper, the internship, the deal with Lionel, university, and at least she went to see Khan looking for a job. Chloe also had evidence for the story she gave Khan, while Lois didn't for Grant (no photos).

Also I wouldn't say making a bargain with Lionel were an especially easy or safe thing to do.

With Lois, it couldn't have been made any easy for her. Grant overheard her and thrust the opportunity on her. She wasn't even trying to get hired at the DP.

The work they both put towards the goal of working at the planet is unequal, and she makes it look easy. Maybe it never did take a lot of work to get into the DP, I don't know, but it looks to me they gave it to Lois because it's season 7 and about time. It feels about as realistic as getting into journalism because a barn door almost fell on you. :lol: I think they should have spent all of last season with Lois trying to build up a story or something to get into the planet, then it would make much more sense to me for her to get in.

At the moment I think it would have been more realistic to have her removed from the building :lol: She doesn't belong loitering in the DP basement if she works for the inquisitor .

[samanta]

Originally posted by Minela
She started loosing her spunk in season 5, when she got her byline because her spunky cousin went undercover for her in "Exposed". I actually thought Exposed was stupid episode. Chloe was interviewing girls that could know what was going on. Lois was dressing into someone else outfit. The fact, that no other employes questioned who's the girl that no one knows and why it didn't seem strange to the girl who's turn it really was, is probably one of Smallville's miracles. Besides what was Lois planing to find out while striping?
Episodes like this makes me wonder why I'm watching.

[The_Frag_Man]

You're not watching for the T&A? :lol:

[freefall]

Originally posted by samanta
When editor says it's horrible but gives you job nevertheless it's rather surprising IMO.

He remarked point blank that he was impressed with her writing and prose, the reason why he wouldn't publish it simply because there's no specific photos of the spaceship as proof even if he believes the whole article to be true.


Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Also I wouldn't say making a bargain with Lionel were an especially easy or safe thing to do.

A bargain made by betraying her own friend out of her own jealousy and personal gain. And I'm supposed to admire that Chloe is doing something that's not "easy and safe" here?

[samanta]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
You're not watching for the T&A? :lol: :lol:
I watch for the story, of course ;)

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by seacrystal
A bargain made by betraying her own friend out of her own jealousy and personal gain. And I'm supposed to admire that Chloe is doing something that's not "easy and safe" here?

Show me were I said that was admirable, if you can.

It's pretty clear I was comparing the lengths taken by the two characters to get into the DP.

[samanta]

Originally posted by seacrystal
He remarked point blank that he was impressed with her writing and prose, the reason why he wouldn't publish it simply because there's no specific photos of the spaceship as proof even if he believes the whole article to be true.

Actually, he says "It's ridiculus". Chloe jumps to defend Lois and then editor continues about how he liked it. Chloe looked surprised IMO.
Yes, I rewatched it.

[freefall]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Show me were I said that was admirable, if you can.

Since your whole post was all about saying Chloe had put in oh so hard an effort to land a job at the DP, and you listed making the deal with Lionel as a part of that effort, that's why I asked if all that are supposed to be admirable and I'm to believe Chloe has put a lot more effort compared to Lois with regard to landing a job at the DP.

The way I see it, Chloe is actually the one who had it a lot more easier to land the job at the DP, not to mention questionable since she got it simply because she made a deal with Lionel in the first place, and got a chance interview with Kahn because of that since her internship has already been rejected.


Originally posted by samanta
Actually, he says "It's ridiculus". Chloe jumps to defend Lois and then editor continues about how he liked it. Chloe looked surprised IMO.
Yes, I rewatched it.

And he went on to say "It's absurd how good it is. I was absolutely riveted." I believe you have heard about people commenting how something is so good that it's ridiculous, haven't you? :) Anyone who's an English speaker would recognize that's clearly a compliment.

[samanta]

Originally posted by seacrystal

And he went on to say "It's absurd how good it is. I was absolutely riveted." I believe you have heard about people commenting how something is so good that it's ridiculous, haven't you? :) Anyone who's an English speaker would recognize that's clearly a compliment. Of course I heard that but I also heard people to use only the first part. Chloe couldn't know what he was going to say.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Since your whole post was all about saying Chloe had put in oh so hard an effort to land a job at the DP, and you listed making the deal with Lionel as a part of that effort, that's why I asked if all that are supposed to be admirable and I'm to believe Chloe has put a lot more effort compared to Lois with regard to landing a job at the DP.


No, you are not supposed to find it admirable. Please stop ascribing emotions to my post, I was simply comparing the difference in effort between the two characters in getting to the DP.

[Honey45]

Maybe it's just me.. but if I was editor at a big time newspaper, I wouldn't hire some crackpot ranting about UFOs and spaceships just because they're a good writer..

I know this is Smallville, but Grant is in Metropolis. Why would he believe Lois was telling the truth - especially with zero evidence?

[freefall]

Originally posted by samanta
Of course I heard that but I also heard people to use only the first part. Chloe couldn't know what he was going to say.

Of course Chloe couldn't know what he was going to say, she kept cutting him off. :lol: She simply thought Grant thought Lois' article was horribly written and "ridiculous", when he actually meant the complete opposite and was going to praise her writing.


Originally posted by HeddyH
Maybe it's just me.. but if I was editor at a big time newspaper, I wouldn't hire some crackpot ranting about UFOs and spaceships just because they're a good writer..

So? Several years into the future, the DP is going to print eyewitness accounts of a flying man in the sky dressed in blue and red. How's that's any less "crackpot ranting" about UFOs and spaceships?


Originally posted by HeddyH
I know this is Smallville, but Grant is in Metropolis. Why would he believe Lois was telling the truth - especially with zero evidence?

And that's exactly why Grant wouldn't run the article, no matter how much he believes it, because there's no proof. It's the same like the story in Birthright where Lois compiled reports of Superman sightings and kept pursuing the story but couldn't get it published at all, because there's no proof.

[The_Frag_Man]

I made a posting boo-boo.

E: :rotfl: you can ignore this.

[samanta]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Of course Chloe couldn't know what he was going to say, she kept cutting him off. :lol: She simply thought Grant thought Lois' article was horribly written and "ridiculous", when he actually meant the complete opposite and was going to praise her writing. Did you just decided that Chloe thinks Lois is idiot and can't do her work right or what?
I don't get why it have to be always like "Chloe is so horrible" or like "Lois is so horrible" after every damn episode :mad:
People are actually so caught up in "Who's worse" competition that they almost forget to bash Lana. It's rather surprising given this is KS.


Originally posted by seacrystal

So? Several years into the future, the DP is going to print eyewitness accounts of a flying man in the sky dressed in blue and red. How's that's any less "crackpot ranting" about UFOs and spaceships?
There will be witnesses for it and many proofs but right now Lois has nothing. Article about UFO without proofs is just science fiction, not article for newspapers. I don't understand why did he hire her. Just like I couldn't understand why they hired Chloe when she came with her first story about vampires.

[freefall]

Originally posted by samanta
Did you just decided that Chloe thinks Lois is idiot and can't do her work right or what?


Considering that Chloe is being somewhat callous in her behaviour with Lois in this episode, to be honest I don't know what she thinks of her cousin in this episode. Like what hanemg has pointed out in another thread, it's a bit disingenuous even when she was defending Lois, "Please give her a second chance," but when Grant did, watch how her face fell.


Originally posted by samanta
I don't understand why did he hire her. Just like I couldn't understand why they hired Chloe when she came with her first story about vampires.

Maybe simply because Kahn and Grant are willing to give them a chance because to them those two girls show potential and promise in journalism at the DP?

[Honey45]

Originally posted by seacrystal

So? Several years into the future, the DP is going to print eyewitness accounts of a flying man in the sky dressed in blue and red. How's that's any less "crackpot ranting" about UFOs and spaceships?

There will be proof in a few years. Everyone will know of Superman. There will be pictures of him.


Originally posted by seacrystal

Maybe simply because Kahn and Grant are willing to give them a chance because to them those two girls show potential and promise in journalism at the DP?

I'm sure there are dozens, maybe even hundreds of applicants to be journalists/reporters for the Daily Planet. That's why it seems so far fetched to me to hire someone based on one story, no matter how good the writing is.

[samanta]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Maybe simply because Kahn and Grant are willing to give them a chance because to them those two girls show potential and promise in journalism at the DP? Maybe you're right but I fail to see it.
Sorry but bringing articles with changed names, no proofs and witnessless shows potentional for book writing, not for work in newspapers IMO.

[freefall]

Originally posted by HeddyH
There will be proof in a few years. Everyone will know of Superman. There will be pictures of him.

And that's why I've mentioned about the Birthright story where Lois herself is pursuing stories about Superman but couldn't get them published because there's no proof. And the same goes for any other real world stories, not just about UFOs and aliens. Reporters pursue all kinds of stories, but if they still haven't got their hands on the proof doesn't mean they're any less qualified to be called as a reporter.

[samanta]

Originally posted by HeddyH
I'm sure there are dozens, maybe even hundreds of applicants to be journalists/reporters for the Daily Planet. That's why it seems so far fetched to me to hire someone based on one story, no matter how good the writing is. True. I was actually looking forward to see Lois getting to DP but it was kinda disappointing.
Writers didn't do good job in writing Lois and Chloe's start in DP IMO.

[SnarkMasterJ]

People are seeming to forget that Chloe's story presented to Kahn in "Thirst" seemed like tabloid material -- because who believes in vampires -- but she offered up the proof. Those girls had a rare blood disease; it was an identifiable medical condition. So already, there's a drastic difference between the two scenarios. Both situations contain extreme and bizarre circumstances -- Chloe was the one who came up with the goods.

It's canon analysis, folks. Not rocket science.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by samanta
True. I was actually looking forward to see Lois getting to DP but it was kinda disappointing.
Writers didn't do good job in writing Lois and Chloe's start in DP IMO.

Agreed. Remember how is was like, only 4 interns or something like that could visit the Daily Planet over the summer? FOUR?! [or a few more, I don't remember]. One reason to think it's pretty hard to get into the Daily Planet.

Chloe's start was just as bad, I think. [Her first real start, I mean. The column with Lionel and stuff I choose to ignore]

[The_Frag_Man]

And her and Jimmy made up two of the four :)

E: Chloe's start had the evidence to back it up, as the post above your's mentions.

[samanta]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
And her and Jimmy made up two of the four :)

E: Chloe's start had the evidence to back it up, as the post above your's mentions. Yes, but she changed the names in her article. Not good for newspaper.

[The_Frag_Man]

'Name's changed to protect the innocent' wouldn't be the first time in journalism :lol:

I'm sure the real names were on the medical files however, but I do not recall what exactly was said about the name changes.

[Chloe Sullivan 2010]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
'Name's changed to protect the innocent' wouldn't be the first time in journalism :lol:

I'm sure the real names were on the medical files however, but I do not recall what exactly was said about the name changes.

Yeah It's hard telling what would have happed if she didn't change the names.

[wolverine316]

This is a good kick in the ass for Chloe. Because her stories are a joke or she still wouldn't be in the basement. Either Chloe should step up her game or her ass should be fired. But truth be told since Lois is on her way to becoming the icon of the Daily Planet, eventually she will surpass Chloe and leave her in the dust. Chloe will have to accept that.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by Chloe Sullivan 2010
Yeah It's hard telling what would have happed if she didn't change the names. Offtopic: AWW FRED :(

Sorry. -sadness-

[Minela]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
People are seeming to forget that Chloe's story presented to Kahn in "Thirst" seemed like tabloid material -- because who believes in vampires -- but she offered up the proof. Those girls had a rare blood disease; it was an identifiable medical condition. So already, there's a drastic difference between the two scenarios. Both situations contain extreme and bizarre circumstances -- Chloe was the one who came up with the goods.

It's canon analysis, folks. Not rocket science.

Yeah, but Kahn also said Chloe's writing wasn't bad. She didn't say. "It's ridiculous. It's absurd how good it is." Plus Kahn didn't believe the lesbian Vampire story, where Grant did believe Lois and she showd him satelite image photos. He only couldn't publish it. And Chloe's article (with proof) wasn't published either. Why? Maybe the writing just wasn't that great. Kahn did refer to her earlier work as "juvenile pablum" and threw a party the day Chloe was fired.

[The_Frag_Man]

Grant was much nicer to Lois even before he saw her writing though, I think Khan was just giving Chloe a hard time. She did hire her.

[Minela]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Grant was much nicer to Lois even before he saw her writing though, I think Khan was just giving Chloe a hard time. She did hire her.

Grant was neutral in feelings when it came to Lois, in that episode. He was portrayed as a busy man who could only afford to say it like it is in a few words than dash away. Kahn was rather enjoying her torture of Chloe. I think she resented her for her prior deal with Lionel. Still, if Chloe's story was so great, than why not publish it? It didn't have to be a first page story.

[StrippedSmile]

Okay, if Chloe's writing wasn't great, why even hire her? Maybe she thought Chloe had the potential to improve? I don't see why we're still talking about this, I think we should be talking about, erm, the present?

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Minela
Yeah, but Kahn also said Chloe's writing wasn't bad. She didn't say. "It's ridiculous. It's absurd how good it is." Plus Kahn didn't believe the lesbian Vampire story, where Grant did believe Lois and she showd him satelite image photos. He only couldn't publish it. And Chloe's article (with proof) wasn't published either. Why? Maybe the writing just wasn't that great. Kahn did refer to her earlier work as "juvenile pablum" and threw a party the day Chloe was fired.

Like I've said in other threads, I'm not sold on Grant Gabriel's word as an editor. He seems over the top and full of malarkey. So no, I'm not going to take his praise of EDLois' work as gospel.

And like Frag Man said, Kahn was offering Chloe the tough truth. She wasn't presuming to blow smoke up her a$$ about her accomplishments. And Chloe still got the job.

[Minela]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Like I've said in other threads, I'm not sold on Grant Gabriel's word as an editor. He seems over the top and full of malarkey. So no, I'm not going to take his praise of EDLois' work as gospel.

And like Frag Man said, Kahn was offering Chloe the tough truth. She wasn't presuming to blow smoke up her a$$ about her accomplishments. And Chloe still got the job.

What is your reason for not taking Grant serious. Obviously the writers went out of their way to show to us, that Grant was an acomplished man in his field. One, he got hired as an editor at the DP, who according to him has no rivals. Two, Chloe called him "new boy wonder". Three he was being honored by his peers for his accomplishements, not just the DP. He must be pretty intelligent, too since he is pretty young and still got all those accomplishments. So, I really don't see your point.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by StrippedSmile
Okay, if Chloe's writing wasn't great, why even hire her? Maybe she thought Chloe had the potential to improve? I don't see why we're still talking about this, I think we should be talking about, erm, the present?

That's exactly what happened with Lois in the present :lol:
Maybe Grant thought Lois had the potential to improve. :lol:

Great avi, by the way... I'm crazy about Luna :p

[samanta]

I think Kahn was tough editor. With more experience. If she didn't see talent and potential she would never gave Chloe job.
Especially, after what happened with Lionel. I think Kahn was rather biased because of it but still gave Chloe job.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Minela
What is your reason for not taking Grant serious. Obviously the writers went out of their way to show to us, that Grant was an acomplished man in his field. One, he got hired as an editor at the DP, who according to him has no rivals. Two, Chloe called him "new boy wonder". Three he was being honored by his peers for his accomplishements, not just the DP. He must be pretty intelligent, too since he is pretty young and still got all those accomplishments. So, I really don't see your point.

Why do you have to see my point? I really don't understand why you're asking me, over and over again, to prove why I don't like or trust his character. It's not like we know oh-so-much about him after one episode. I've said it once, and I'll say it again -- I'M WAITING TO SEE WHAT THEY DO WITH THE PLOT. But as first looks go? He seems shady. My dislike of him has nothing to do with credentials and qualifications. Any qualified and star-studded man can still be an obnoxious a$$hole.

I really don't want to talk about it any more, I mean honestly. If you won't listen to me, then listen to someone else who I think accurately portrays how I feel about the scenes and the character:

EllyF from TWoP:


I believe all the evidence supports the conclusion that he's a bad guy who's playing EDLois and Chloe somehow.

In his first scene, he overheard a complete stranger talking about a spaceship and zeroed in on the conversation as if it were the sort of thing any normal person might talk about. When questioned, he said, "She says it's true, and I believe her," speaking about a woman who was again, a perfect stranger. His reaction should have been far more cynical. At that point, he has absolutely no reason to trust EDLois. For all he knows she goes home at night and dons an aluminum foil helmet to keep herself safe from telepathic aliens.

In the same scene, he displayed a rather surprising knowledge of Chloe. He knew quite a lot of facts about an anonymous reporter toiling in the basement-- her middle name and the name of the high school newspaper she used to work for. And yet he claims to be totally unimpressed by her work.

He was never given EDLois' name in the first scene, and yet in the second scene, she walks into his office and he addresses her as "Lane."

His praise of EDLois' writing was way over the top. There is no way I can believe the writers meant the phrase "leapt off the page like a Bengal tiger" to be taken seriously. A day later, I still can't type it without giggling.

Grant knew more about Chloe than he should have. He knew who EDLois was without being introduced to her. The logical conclusion is that he's got ulterior motives which will eventually be shown. I think it's highly likely he's a bad guy.

Feel free to pick on someone else now.

[samanta]

Originally posted by Minela
What is your reason for not taking Grant serious. Obviously the writers went out of their way to show to us, that Grant was an acomplished man in his field. :lol: I thought at first he's on drugs.

[Minela]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Feel free to pick on someone else now.

I didn't pick on you. It just seems to me that most Chloe fans automaticaly dont like/don't trust the guy just because he didn't bow down before Chloe's genious. I bet anything if he was praising Chloe to the heavens, his every word would be taken as coming directly from God.

[kiariclois]

In the same scene, he displayed a rather surprising knowledge of Chloe. He knew quite a lot of facts about an anonymous reporter toiling in the basement-- her middle name and the name of the high school newspaper she used to work for. And yet he claims to be totally unimpressed by her work.

He was never given EDLois' name in the first scene, and yet in the second scene, she walks into his office and he addresses her as "Lane."

His praise of EDLois' writing was way over the top. There is no way I can believe the writers meant the phrase "leapt off the page like a Bengal tiger" to be taken seriously. A day later, I still can't type it without giggling.

Grant knew more about Chloe than he should have. He knew who EDLois was without being introduced to her. The logical conclusion is that he's got ulterior motives which will eventually be shown. I think it's highly likely he's a bad guy.

Think the guy did his homework... He may have done his homework as soon as he gave his word regarding the job to Lois Lane. I mean, Chloe could find information just about everyone in a split second. Grant could do the same. :p

[samanta]

Originally posted by Minela
I didn't pick on you. It just seems to me that most Chloe fans automaticaly dont like/don't trust the guy just because he didn't bow down before Chloe's genious. I bet anything if he was praising Chloe to the heavens, his every word would be taken as coming directly from God. I don't think only Chloe's fans thinks he's suspicious.
I agree with EllyF. They are all good points.
Besides noncomic character and potentional love interest is always suspicious. Just like Lana's noncanon love interests, Lois noncanon love interests and Chloe's noncanon love intersts. Smallville isn't verry inventive with relationshps :rolleyes:

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Minela
I didn't pick on you. It just seems to me that most Chloe fans automaticaly dont like/don't trust the guy just because he didn't bow down before Chloe's genious. I bet anything if he was praising Chloe to the heavens, his every word would be taken as coming directly from God.

Yes. You did. You found me at every last one of the threads I've posted at and demanded the same explanation. But whatever.

What you just said has nothing to do with it and it's a gaudy assumption for why he might not be universally liked. By that stretch, the finger could be pointed at why Lois fans are so quick to eat up someone's sensationalistic praise of her writing accomplishments when her writing career has been no more stellar than Chloe's. But this isn't about the fans, fans aren't to be discussed. It's about the characters. In my opinion, Grant isn't a character I view as reputable for the very reasons I listed above. I'm not talking about it anymore.

[Minela]

Oliver was a good guy.

EDIT. Sorry my bad. Ollie is a canon character.


Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Yes. You did. You found me at every last one of the threads I've posted at and demanded the same explanation. But whatever.

You make it seem like I'm stalking you. :rolleyes:

[freefall]

Originally posted by samanta
Besides noncomic character and potentional love interest is always suspicious. Just like Lana's noncanon love interests, Lois noncanon love interests and Chloe's noncanon love intersts. Smallville isn't verry inventive with relationshps :rolleyes:

You have a really good point there. But at least we know quite a few things about Grant right away in his first episode (exactly where he comes from, his accomplishments, his ideas) compared to say, Adam "I don't remember anything about my life" Knight or Jason "I met Lana while I was on my bike in Paris and knocked her off" Teague.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Minela
You make it seem like I'm stalking you. :rolleyes:

I can't personally account for why you wouldn't let the subject rest in my case, I was just going off of the posts being made.

[Mello Penelo]

So everyone's mad Lois got a job at the Daily Planet with a story about a spaceship and not mad because Chloe got a job there with a story about lesbian vampires?

[samanta]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
So everyone's mad Lois got a job at the Daily Planet with a story about a spaceship and not mad because Chloe got a job there with a story about lesbian vampires? Two pages back we were discussing it.
I think both stories were horrible.
Writers should do better job in getting Chloe and Lois to the DP IMO.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
So everyone's mad Lois got a job at the Daily Planet with a story about a spaceship and not mad because Chloe got a job there with a story about lesbian vampires?

threatened? :rotfl:

:lol: I almost forgot about the lesbian vampire.

If only Lois had the picture of the spaceship *sigh*:rotfl:

[samanta]

Originally posted by seacrystal
You have a really good point there. But at least we know quite a few things about Grant right away in his first episode (exactly where he comes from, his accomplishments, his ideas) compared to say, Adam "I don't remember anything about my life" Knight or Jason "I met Lana while I was on my bike in Paris and knocked her off" Teague. Maybe but there's possibility that around episode 18 Chloe and/or Lois will find out that he's liar and/or psychotic killer working for Lex.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
So everyone's mad Lois got a job at the Daily Planet with a story about a spaceship and not mad because Chloe got a job there with a story about lesbian vampires?

They're only comparable on the surface, I think you're aware of this.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by kiariclois
That's exactly what happened with Lois in the present :lol:
Maybe Grant thought Lois had the potential to improve. :lol:

Great avi, by the way... I'm crazy about Luna :p Can't argue with you there.

And thanks! I love yours too. I miss the Chlo-Lo. ]:

[umm]

This might actually be a good thing for Chloe! The fact is, since she found out about Clarks secret, her life has been more and more about that and that's no way to live ones life! She has her own destiny to live as well, and it might not be at the DP!
Plus in the last year and half she has been focusing more on finding her mother, combating against Lex with Clark and the Justice League, Jummy, etc..basicaly persuing everything else but her journalism!
And now with her new power not being latant anymore but active and not under control, she will really have her hands full! Besides we all knew that chances of her staying at the DP were slim since the role of DP's star female reporter has according to the canon always been reserved for Lois!
And as much as I or some one else may think that Lois isn't ready for DP just yet, she has to start sometime and since season 8 has been proclaimed by TPTB as the last one, this season is the last call for introducing Lois into DP universe!
We all knew that would eventually happen, even diehard Chloefans, like myself!
My point is, even if Chloe does end up beeing forced out of the DP, so what, with her talent and sest for truthseeking, she can find a job at the New York Times, or some other famous newspaper, or even branch into a whole new kind of work!
A detective, a newsreporter, a secret agent, or some hightec geek working for some secrete agency for example! The point is, Chloe not working at the DP any longer is not the end of the world; it might actually prove to be the best thing to happen to her in a long time!

[The_Frag_Man]

I would like her to go on to helping the league while working at a paper in star city (or wherever the hell Oliver is). I think that could be cool.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
I would like her to go on to helping the league while working at a paper in star city (or wherever the hell Oliver is). I think that could be cool.

That'd be cool... Plus, with her power, she might help them more than being watchtower :lol:

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
I would like her to go on to helping the league while working at a paper in star city (or wherever the hell Oliver is). I think that could be cool. Agreed. I've wanted her to join Oliver since the JL was introduced.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by kiariclois
That'd be cool... Plus, with her power, she might help them more than being watchtower :lol:

What was wrong with being 'watchtower'?

Not that it wouldn't be good to have a greater role, of course.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
What was wrong with being 'watchtower'?

Not that it wouldn't be good to have a greater role, of course.

There's nothing wrong... I'm just saying she ought to do more than that... :) Her being the watchtower and girl with power at the same time... :p

[Nospam]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
What was wrong with being 'watchtower'?

Not that it wouldn't be good to have a greater role, of course.

I agree. I'd love it if Chloe took on the role of Watchtower for the JLA.

By the way, nice edit comment. Which Canadian is haunting you?

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Nospam
I agree. I'd love it if Chloe took on the role of Watchtower for the JLA.

By the way, nice edit comment. Which Canadian is haunting you?

I'd like to know that to *amused*

[The_Frag_Man]

The incredibly attractive one.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
The incredibly attractive one.

William Shatner? :confused:

:p

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
The incredibly attractive one.

Canadian? Erica? Laura?

[The_Frag_Man]

:lol:


Edit Reason: The canadian, he haunts my dreams

Is there something I don't know about those two?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by kiariclois
Canadian? Erica? Laura?

To wit:


The canadian, he haunts my dreams.

[The_Frag_Man]

Too slow, you attractive Canadian, you. :)

[Nospam]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Is there something I don't know about those two?

I've always suspected there was something about Erica Durance. She's originally from a small town very close to where I am now, here in Calgary, called Three Hills.


Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Too slow, you attractive Canadian, you. :)

It IS William Shatner! :p

[kiariclois]

Ahem... I didn't see the he part... :lol:

My vision is blurry!! I ought to go to bed for a while since it's 7.32 am here in Brunei... :lol: Haven't sleep for a while :lol:

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by Nospam
It IS William Shatner! :p

:lol: Being no. 2 isn't so disappointing I hope.

E: 9:37AM here in Aus.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
:lol: Being no. 2 isn't so disappointing I hope.

E: 9:37AM here in Aus.

Yep... Aus is two hours ahead of Brunei *yawn*

[Nospam]

It's 5:32 PM here in Calgary. Umm, not sure where I am going with that.

Fraggy, check out my thread here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79519

I just got back from Vancouver and took some pictures of the farm and the Daily Planet building.

Back on topic, I still think this situation with Chloe is somewhat contrived. If you asked TPTB or Allison Mack last season how Chloe's journalism career is coming along, they would tell you that she everything is fine, yada yada. No mention of Jimmy of Clark even though last season people were mentioning that Chloe appeared, at least in part, to be putting the necessity of keeping Clark's secret ahead of her journalism aspirations. I don't think it's an either/or situation, however. There were plenty of stories Chloe should have followed up but didn't, and that is her fault not Clark's.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Nospam
It's 5:32 PM here in Calgary. Umm, not sure where I am going with that.

Brunei is twelve hours ahead of US and Canada is two hours behind of US... Does that make sense? :lol:

I've been memorizing that... since I have so many international friends... :lol:

[Nospam]

Originally posted by kiariclois
Brunei is twelve hours ahead of US and Canada is two hours behind of US... Does that make sense? :lol:

I've been memorizing that... since I have so many international friends... :lol:

It makes perfect sense because the United States also includes Alaska.

[hanemg]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Because we've seen a character put a lot of effort into it towards that goal from the very beginning (the paper, the daily planet summer internship, which is where she met Jimmy, I'm sure it helped them both get a job there), I thought the idea was working at the planet was meant to be a big thing.

Here’s the thing though, having an internship didn’t get Chloe her job. In fact it had nothing whatsoever to do with her getting her job. None of her past experiences did. I think that’s a mistake a lot of people make when they look at Chloe’s resume, but they keep forgetting the actual canon of the show.

Chloe got the job at the Daily Planet the first time because she betrayed Clark to Lionel and Lionel told them to hire her. It wasn’t because of her internship and frankly she could have been a cookbook writer. The simple fact is that Lionel had enough control that he could pay Chloe off with whatever pieces of silver she wished to name and the DP was it so that’s what she got.

Then the second time through Kahn made it clear to her that the only reason she even agreed to see her was to have the opportunity to vent her distaste over Chloe’s unethical behavior from the first time and tell her exactly what she thought of her. Interestingly enough one of the things she wanted to vent about was that she found Chloe’s writing to be juvenile. But she did see promise and that’s why she offered Chloe the chance to go out and find a story.

Here’s the thing. No one is saying (other than Grant) that Chloe’s terrible. We give her the due she’s earned. The only difference is that not everyone thinks that she hung the moon and the stars and is perfect. Even Grant remarked that she was good back in the Torch days and his ire seemed more due to disappointment over what he feels she has lost since. And if you want to cast stones due to this then maybe you should bean Ms. Sullivan first because isn’t that exactly the same attitude she had toward Perry White back in “Perry”?

The other things that people seem to forget are that Clark helped Chloe land her story and while Chloe did bring proof along with it the story was never published. And it was never published because Kahn said it read like a tabloid story. Proof or no proof the writing didn’t carry it off. Still there was proof and not knowing about Clark’s involvement as far as Kahn knew Chloe was the one who did all of the footwork and got the story so she gave her a job.

Chloe’s history had nothing to do with it. All of her years at the Torch, all of the stories she wrote, all of the dreams she had meant nothing to Kahn. The only part of her history that even allowed her in the room with Kahn was the same history that almost blew all of her chances because of the poor choices she made in the past.

Now, you may say:

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
The work they both put towards the goal of working at the planet is unequal, and she makes it look easy.
But let’s look at that.

Yeah Lois happened to be overheard by Grant, but she was still offered the same chance Kahn gave Chloe. Bring in a story and I’ll give you a job.

The only real difference here is that Lois actually went out and did the footwork herself. She actually investigated, followed up with sources, found clues and tracked her story down. Sure her evidence was destroyed, but we the viewer saw that she had it right. And she did it herself. The only help Clark gave her was saving her life after the fact. She put in the blood, sweat and tears and found her story. She worked hard for it and was almost killed because of it. And despite no proof she still wrote it up and handed it in even though to her there was no chance of getting the job. Frankly I’m not seeing anything as “easy” so far. The funny thing here was that after she handed in her story the exact opposite thing happened than had happened with Chloe’s story, but it led to the same effect.

Unlike Chloe, Lois didn’t have the proof to demonstrate that she had really gotten the story and so was good at her job, but her writing was good despite the lack of evidence so Grant offered her the same opportunity as Chloe. Not a plum assignment. Not some place under the Tiffany lamps. Just a place in the basement where she could either sink or swim. But at least she had the chance to do it herself.

That’s why I don’t see Lois as not earning or not deserving the job because she actually did the job. And she worked hard for it. She came to reporting late, but she actually has done more professional investigative journalism work than Chloe has. If you want to talk about paying dues realistically then the simple fact is that realistically most reporters start out at the bottom in other “non-rival” status publications long before they jump even into the basement of a major newspaper. An editor of the Weehawken Gazette would be lucky to get a job writing obituaries at the New York Times. So no, I don’t automatically bow down to Chloe’s “dues”. I don’t disrespect what she has done, but I don’t give her more credit than she has earned. And if you want to talk about easy then I have to point out the hardest thing Chloe did do was to swallow her pride and approach Kahn in the first place. The rest seemed fairly easy. Write up a first hand account of being kidnapped (no investigation needed merely documentation) to get an internship. Accept a job writing a column in payment for betraying a friend. And finally, track down a story with some super powered help from that same friend and her trusty computer with the magic Google toolbar.

Some Chloe fans might be insulted that Grant liked Lois’ writing while not liking Chloe’s, but it doesn’t change the canon of the show. And the canon of the show gave us a character that is portrayed as qualified for his job and respected by his peers who has said that Lois has talent. Some fans may not like her, but until they make canon then their opinions of her talent or lack thereof are opinions that are refuted by the show itself.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
They're only comparable on the surface, I think you're aware of this.

Good God. Aware of it? They are completely comparable.

Chloe spends FOUR years writing about UFOs and metahumans, tabloidizing her high school paper. In the process destroys all her credibility as a journalist, then expects to get an internship with a prestigious newspaper like the Daily Planet? Then she writes about lesbian vampires and gets the job?

Not to mention, Pauline Khan called her out on the crap she wrote in high school and no one said a damned word about it-- totally unlike how Mr. Nobody Grant did-- because they were too busy fanwanking over facking Princess Leia on the damned show to care what she was saying to Chloe.

Now, comparatively, Lois works for a tabloid magazine, writing the same bull **** as Chloe. She writes a story about a UFO, backs it up with satellite imagery and gets a job at the Daily Planet. No, it wasn't young-male-wet-dream-droolworthy story like Chloe's lesbian vampires, but it's the same facking principle.

Don't turn this into a double standard.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by hanemg
Here’s the thing though, having an internship didn’t get Chloe her job. In fact it had nothing whatsoever to do with her getting her job. None of her past experiences did. I think that’s a mistake a lot of people make when they look at Chloe’s resume, but they keep forgetting the actual canon of the show.


How do you know? That none of her past experiences did? I think it certainly got her foot in the door and you mention later that Khan wanted to chew her out about Lionel helping her. Is it none of her past experiences, or only the bad ones?


Originally posted by hanemg
Chloe got the job at the Daily Planet the first time because she betrayed Clark to Lionel and Lionel told them to hire her. It wasn’t because of her internship and frankly she could have been a cookbook writer. The simple fact is that Lionel had enough control that he could pay Chloe off with whatever pieces of silver she wished to name and the DP was it so that’s what she got.

Yes, Lionel got her a job regardless of the internship. I was simply making a point mentioning this of the lengths she went to get into the planet.


Originally posted by hanemg
Then the second time through Kahn made it clear to her that the only reason she even agreed to see her was to have the opportunity to vent her distaste over Chloe’s unethical behavior from the first time and tell her exactly what she thought of her. Interestingly enough one of the things she wanted to vent about was that she found Chloe’s writing to be juvenile. But she did see promise and that’s why she offered Chloe the chance to go out and find a story.

Yes, I know what happened in the Khan interview, if she was willing to take into consideration what Lionel did for her, why wouldn't she consider the rest of her history in allowing Chloe the opportunity to give her an article?


Originally posted by hanemg
Here’s the thing. No one is saying (other than Grant) that Chloe’s terrible. We give her the due she’s earned. The only difference is that not everyone thinks that she hung the moon and the stars and is perfect. Even Grant remarked that she was good back in the Torch days and his ire seemed more due to disappointment over what he feels she has lost since. And if you want to cast stones due to this then maybe you should bean Ms. Sullivan first because isn’t that exactly the same attitude she had toward Perry White back in “Perry”?

I have not said anything about how Grant treated Chloe, only Lois. You are confusing my point with a problem others have.


Originally posted by hanemg
Chloe’s history had nothing to do with it. All of her years at the Torch, all of the stories she wrote, all of the dreams she had meant nothing to Kahn. The only part of her history that even allowed her in the room with Kahn was the same history that almost blew all of her chances because of the poor choices she made in the past.

How do you know that Khan would not consider it all?


Originally posted by hanemg
Yeah Lois happened to be overheard by Grant, but she was still offered the same chance Kahn gave Chloe. Bring in a story and I’ll give you a job.

The only real difference here is that Lois actually went out and did the footwork herself. She actually investigated, followed up with sources, found clues and tracked her story down. Sure her evidence was destroyed, but we the viewer saw that she had it right. And she did it herself. The only help Clark gave her was saving her life after the fact. She put in the blood, sweat and tears and found her story. She worked hard for it and was almost killed because of it. And despite no proof she still wrote it up and handed it in even though to her there was no chance of getting the job. Frankly I’m not seeing anything as “easy” so far. The funny thing here was that after she handed in her story the exact opposite thing happened than had happened with Chloe’s story, but it led to the same effect.

It was a story she was going to write for the tabloid. The only effort she put towards getting into the DP was giving it to them instead. Usually I don't say anything but "Blood, sweat, tears"? You talk Lois up more than I do Chloe.


Originally posted by hanemg
Unlike Chloe, Lois didn’t have the proof to demonstrate that she had really gotten the story and so was good at her job, but her writing was good despite the lack of evidence so Grant offered her the same opportunity as Chloe. Not a plum assignment. Not some place under the Tiffany lamps. Just a place in the basement where she could either sink or swim. But at least she had the chance to do it herself.

No he offered her an opportunity before seeing her writing, when she wasn't there looking for a job. He is the one who had no history to take into consideration, not Khan. At the point that this offer was made, Lois hadn't put any effort towards getting into the DP specifically. He gave her the same job, not the same opportunity. Do you see how the opportunity the two characters have is different? I'm sure you can at least see that one had an easier time of it than the other.


Originally posted by hanemg
That’s why I don’t see Lois as not earning or not deserving the job because she actually did the job. And she worked hard for it. She came to reporting late, but she actually has done more professional investigative journalism work than Chloe has. If you want to talk about paying dues realistically then the simple fact is that realistically most reporters start out at the bottom in other “non-rival” status publications long before they jump even into the basement of a major newspaper. An editor of the Weehawken Gazette would be lucky to get a job writing obituaries at the New York Times. So no, I don’t automatically bow down to Chloe’s “dues”. I don’t disrespect what she has done, but I don’t give her more credit than she has earned. And if you want to talk about easy then I have to point out the hardest thing Chloe did do was to swallow her pride and approach Kahn in the first place. The rest seemed fairly easy. Write up a first hand account of being kidnapped (no investigation needed merely documentation) to get an internship. Accept a job writing a column in payment for betraying a friend. And finally, track down a story with some super powered help from that same friend and her trusty computer with the magic Google toolbar.

Just first how has she done more professional journalism than Chloe? Lois has been working for the tabloid for as long as Chloe has been at the DP from when Khan gave her the job. You also mention that the editor at a ****** paper would be lucky to get into the 'basement' (writing obituaries) of a good paper...

I don't think Lois fairly earned the opportunity in the first place. What did she do, to earn the opportunity Grant gave her? I think the only answer is that she got lucky. She didn't earn the opportunity because up until that point she had done nothing to get into the DP, she wasn't even looking for a job at the DP. That is why I said earlier that if they showed her working towards it in season 6, I would find it much better.
All I have said about her article that she turned in itself was that it was without evidence. If we assume that both articles were worth getting hired for, then I think the differences between the two become more obvious.


Originally posted by hanemg
Some Chloe fans might be insulted that Grant liked Lois’ writing while not liking Chloe’s, but it doesn’t change the canon of the show. And the canon of the show gave us a character that is portrayed as qualified for his job and respected by his peers who has said that Lois has talent. Some fans may not like her, but until they make canon then their opinions of her talent or lack thereof are opinions that are refuted by the show itself.

I'm not bothered by what Grant said to Chloe.

Something further to consider which I have not mentioned before: We have future spoilers regarding Grant and Lois that allow us further questions as to why Grant offered her the opportunity. (The romance)

[kiariclois]

Grant may have seen the talent in Lois, as simple as that... Plus, she already is a reporter... sheesh

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
ROAR

Please, calm down. :lol:

I'm here to have fun, ok? There's no need to get so angry.

[Mello Penelo]

Just in a really bad mood. Some bad stuff happened to friends of mine this week and I'm taking it out on everyone. Sorry. But I still believe what I posted. And I didn't say ROAR. :p

[M4nfr3]

Chloe is better that lois!! she's always been better!!

hey guys!! peace and love!!

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by M4nfr3
Chloe is better that lois!! she's always been better!!

hey guys!! peace and love!!

Amen bello

[M4nfr3]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Amen bello

hey amber!! where have u been??

[jazel]

Originally posted by M4nfr3
Chloe is better that lois!! she's always been better!!

hey guys!! peace and love!!
peace and love, true that :D
but it just a matter of your opinion, if Chloe is better.
they're cousins after all.;)

[M4nfr3]

I know they r cousins!! but u know...chloe gave her a place where to stay when she arrived in smallville and helped her out with almost everything...I'm so sorry 4 chloe...

[jazel]

actually the Kents gave her a place to stay.
wasn't Chloe w/ her dad, and their place was on the small side ?
Chloe didn't help her out with everything, that's why Lo has the love for the Kents (as her surrgote folks).
Chloe did push Lo into journalism though.:D

[M4nfr3]

yep u r right!!

but anyway i'm sorry 4 chloe....

[jazel]

but why ? she isn't going anywhere.
she's got it pretty good actually, except the whole accepting her power thing.;)
I would love to have a meteor power.lol

[M4nfr3]

I know she isn't going anywhere but didn't u see chloe's face?? she had work very hard to get a job to the dp and lois hadn't great experience on her shoulders...this guy picked up the first person he saw...and lois is that person!!

[hanemg]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
How do you know? That none of her past experiences did? I think it certainly got her foot in the door and you mention later that Khan wanted to chew her out about Lionel helping her. Is it none of her past experiences, or only the bad ones?

I know because that’s what the show told me. Kahn met with Chloe to vent her spleen about Chloe’s unearned tenure at the Planet. Her past experiences meant little because Kahn even characterized her efforts as “juvenile pabulum”. Personally I don’t consider that glowing recognition of past experiences do you?

So I guess my question is why do you think her past experiences played any part since they were never referenced when she was hired?

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
It was a story she was going to write for the tabloid. The only effort she put towards getting into the DP was giving it to them instead. Usually I don't say anything but "Blood, sweat, tears"? You talk Lois up more than I do Chloe.

But the point was that she actually put effort into getting it. It didn’t matter who she got it for because she still had to do the work. And I purposely used the term "Blood, sweat, tears" to emphasize that fact because people seem to gloss over any work she does while characterizing Chloe’s efforts as you did as hard work even though the only thing we ever actually see her doing is trying to hack information.

Think about it. How often do we see Lois actually going out into the field to investigate versus Chloe who is primarily on-screen at either the Daily Planet or her home. I was actually shocked to see her at the dam in “Phantom” because it just seemed out of place. DeKnight himself remarked on this being the primary difference in the two women’s investigative styles and the writers of “Kara” further emphasized it with Chloe’s off hand remark to Clark about the DMV not listing alien ships. It’s become almost a joke that if it’s not on the internet then Chloe’s like a turtle on her back in an investigation. In the old days she would at least reference a source of some sort, but in the past couple of seasons it seems like she’s been a one trick pony using her laptop.

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
No he offered her an opportunity before seeing her writing, when she wasn't there looking for a job.
No he offered her a “chance” before he saw her writing. He offered her an opportunity when he saw that she could write well. It doesn’t matter that she put in work “specifically” to get a job at the Daily Planet what mattered was that she put in work and he liked it. I’ve hired a number of people in my life and quite a few of them I’ve recruited because I liked their work even though they actually hadn’t applied for the position.

I do have to question you on this point though.

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
He gave her the same job, not the same opportunity. Do you see how the opportunity the two characters have is different? I'm sure you can at least see that one had an easier time of it than the other.
Because I don’t see that at all. I see no difference in their opportunities as each has equal chance to succeed or fail. If you mean this only because you see Lois has having an easier time getting her job then we’ll just have to agree to disagree as I don’t agree with that at all. To me, Chloe got her job with Clark and Lana’s help while Lois worked on her own.

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Just first how has she done more professional journalism than Chloe? Lois has been working for the tabloid for as long as Chloe has been at the DP from when Khan gave her the job.
I said “professional investigative journalism” not just “professional journalism”. Grant himself nailed it. Chloe has primarily been doing feeler stuff while Lois has been out investigating stories.

Here’s also where I think people confuse Chloe’s investigations with Clark with her performing the job of a journalist. Sure Chloe investigates, but she rarely writes. She helps Clark with a problem and then lets the matter drop for whatever reason. Lois on the other hand has worked at the Green Arrow story in various episodes, worked at the story in “Combat”, worked at the story in “Noir”, worked at the story in “Prototype”, etc. That’s why I said that she’s had more professional experience as an investigative reporter because hers has been professional experience to write a story while Chloe’s have primarily been personal efforts only to help out Clark.

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
I don't think Lois fairly earned the opportunity in the first place. What did she do, to earn the opportunity Grant gave her? I think the only answer is that she got lucky.

Oh, I don’t disagree that she was lucky to get the chance for the job, but she earned the job because of her writing skills. Actively pursuing a job doesn’t necessarily equate to “earning it”.

I’ll give you an example. The place I work for has a great reputation in the area. Jobs here are considered desirable and a lot of people in my field work at getting hired here. In fact I was told yesterday that a lady I know heard of a possible opportunity opening up and had voiced to one of my co-workers that she was interested. This is someone with a lot of experience and who does good work, but still I’m not sure if I would hire her if the opportunity does open. I don’t know if I like her work enough even though she has a lot of experience and is eager for the job. Frankly the last 3 positions I filled I did so by recruiting people who didn’t even apply until I prompted them to.

If you’re going to narrow your definition of “earn” to include only those who actively pursue an organization then I would just suggest that you might be missing out on some really good people that have a lot to offer.



Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
All I have said about her article that she turned in itself was that it was without evidence. If we assume that both articles were worth getting hired for, then I think the differences between the two become more obvious.

The difference I see according to what we are told by the show was that one had proof, but was not well written while the other was well written, but had no proof.

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Something further to consider which I have not mentioned before: We have future spoilers regarding Grant and Lois that allow us further questions as to why Grant offered her the opportunity. (The romance)
Spoilers are great if they’re correct, but a number of spoilers never make it to the screen, which brings to question if they were ever actually planned or not. We can speculate until the cows come home, but until they actually make it onto screen they never happened.

I think the biggest problem with spoilers is that sometimes people seem to forget what made it to screen and what didn’t. For example there was a spoiler back in season 5 that Chloe was the class Valedictorian and I’ll bet that if you ask the people in this forum whom was Clark’s class valedictorian the majority will say Chloe. But to the best of my knowledge this never made it to screen or was referenced anywhere else to verify it. So was she the valedictorian? If nothing else beyond an unconfirmed spoiler said so then why should we believe it? That’s a minor point to be sure because who really cares and it doesn’t change the overall story, but if it happened in that instance then how many other things happened (or rather never happened) that way? Speculation is fine, but don’t let it be the only determining factor when you consider something.

[operadiva]

Yep Chloe is better than Lois..I don't hate her..i have been watching Chloe from since day one.and always seems to me to get the shot end of the stick so to speak....and Lois just annoys the hell out of me..I feel that the writers always seem to force her in every situation..it just look forced and not natural..I must admit..i do like more then before so that is a pus for me...

That i like Lois more now than before

However..i do really did not see how some one could get hired with one story that wasn't even printed....Sounds fishy...smells fishy..that editor...Likes more than Lios's Story...hummmm

[Billy Jor-El]

Originally posted by M4nfr3
I know she isn't going anywhere but didn't u see chloe's face?? she had work very hard to get a job to the dp and lois hadn't great experience on her shoulders...this guy picked up the first person he saw...and lois is that person!!

Yeah, well with all the "get a bigger dick" spam emails that pour into mailboxes, we aren't going to get a bigger one than Grant.

Yes, we haven't read Lois' prior stories, nor for that matter have we seen everything Chloe has written, but in an instant Grant thinks Lois the best reporter since Walter Cronkite? I wonder what other subversive motives are driving this jerk....

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by hanemg
So I guess my question is why do you think her past experiences played any part since they were never referenced when she was hired?

Because regardless of the fact that she was incredibly peeved about her deal with Lionel she still gave her a shot. Look at it this way: If she didn't have those past experiences, would she have been just as likely to get the job from Khan? I don't think so. I don't think that's what that scene showed. It showed that regardless of how angry she was at the deal with Lionel, she still thought she was worth a shot. ('chance'). What other reason do you think she was given the offer to bring in an article? I don't see any other way.


Originally posted by hanemg
No he offered her a “chance” before he saw her writing. He offered her an opportunity when he saw that she could write well. It doesn’t matter that she put in work “specifically” to get a job at the Daily Planet what mattered was that she put in work and he liked it.

Again, if we saw her working toward the goal in season 6 I would find it much fairer. Let's put it the other way around: If Lois were at the planet and Chloe was at the tabloid, and Grant overheard Chloe talking about aliens, and Grant offered her a job if she wrote the article, would she have earned that chance? Let's roughly try and switch their backgrounds, as well. Would you feel Chloe earned it then?

Please try to understand that I don't hate Lois but I think the way she was offered her 'chance' is unrealistic and they could have just as easily shown her earning her shot, as not, and they chose not too.

For a better example of how she could earned the job in this episode: Perhaps she could have started the episode deciding to apply for the DP, and taken her story to the DP after the episode (at the end of it), where Khan chews her out in a similar way that she did Chloe and gives her the same spot across from Chloe, as well as giving Chloe the same verbal wake up that Grant gave her. (To show that she's still hard not just on Lois)

Do you think this would be better? Does it show her earning her job at the DP more than she did in the episode, and this is most important, while keeping the articles the same?
Are you happy with the way she got into the DP on the show?


Originally posted by hanemg
I see no difference in their opportunities as each has equal chance to succeed or fail. If you mean this only because you see Lois has having an easier time getting her job then we’ll just have to agree to disagree as I don’t agree with that at all. To me, Chloe got her job with Clark and Lana’s help while Lois worked on her own.

We can agree to disagree, sure, but you later say that she did have it easier, because you agree she was lucky. Also, Lana didn't help Chloe. ETA: "Blood, sweat, tears" Chloe was actually put in hospital for her efforts to get to the bottom of this story.


Originally posted by hanemg
Oh, I don’t disagree that she was lucky to get the chance for the job, but she earned the job because of her writing skills. Actively pursuing a job doesn’t necessarily equate to “earning it”.

I kinda think it does here. As I mentioned earlier, that it was 'too easy', because the 'chance' landed in her lap. Like the barn door lightswitch. And sure, they made a nice show of Lois getting the story and Grant loving it, but that's irrelevant to the fairness of the chance because let's face it: They wouldn't write her not getting the job because her article sucked, because that's where she needs to be, at the DP.

As I said earlier if you look at it situations reversed the other way, I'm sure many people would be saying Chloe didn't earn her chance.

If you look closely, It would be clear I don't have a problem with the quality of Lois's article or in particular her writing skills, but the circumstances of what I was calling the 'opportunity' offered which you said as 'chance'.


Originally posted by hanemg
The difference I see according to what we are told by the show was that one had proof, but was not well written while the other was well written, but had no proof.

Right, and one was criticized by a person who had a very large problem with the person they were criticizing, and one was said by a guy who appeared to be rather nice to her, in tone and stance. Does Lois still have the spelling problem, I wonder? :lol:

What I meant to say earlier, was consider the articles equal and the difference between their job opportunities ('chance') will become greater.


Originally posted by hanemg
Spoilers are great if they’re correct, but a number of spoilers never make it to the screen, which brings to question if they were ever actually planned or not. We can speculate until the cows come home, but until they actually make it onto screen they never happened.


I know, I was mentioning it just as something to think about.


Originally posted by hanemg
I think the biggest problem with spoilers is that sometimes people seem to forget what made it to screen and what didn’t. For example there was a spoiler back in season 5 that Chloe was the class Valedictorian and I’ll bet that if you ask the people in this forum whom was Clark’s class valedictorian the majority will say Chloe. But to the best of my knowledge this never made it to screen or was referenced anywhere else to verify it. So was she the valedictorian? If nothing else beyond an unconfirmed spoiler said so then why should we believe it? That’s a minor point to be sure because who really cares and it doesn’t change the overall story, but if it happened in that instance then how many other things happened (or rather never happened) that way? Speculation is fine, but don’t let it be the only determining factor when you consider something.

My understanding is that it was referenced in one of the season guides.

And speculation is not my determining factor, I just bought it up as it's something further to consider, which I made sure to mention when I first brought it up, to make it clear that it wasn't a point as such.

[Jory]

It sounds like Chloe getting crapped on will be in every episode Grant's in. I guess TPTB have to continue their MO of dragging one character down so another can look good. Shame that Allison's, possible, last season will be a season of Chloe-bashing so others look good.

[jazel]

Originally posted by M4nfr3
I know she isn't going anywhere but didn't u see chloe's face?? she had work very hard to get a job to the dp and lois hadn't great experience on her shoulders...this guy picked up the first person he saw...and lois is that person!!

GG is looking for a "hungry" reporter, Chloe no matter your defensive of her, hasn't been hungry in awhile. Something Grant had the audacity to point out.;)
Chloe is an oxymoron, when it comes to her cousin, Lois.
she does, and doesn't, want her to be a success.:/
In one breath, she defends her, but in the next, is shocked that somebody else, can see all her amazing qualities.
AM played it well. Chloe seems to think she can control things outside of her domain, but she can't.
From what I understand, Chloe always looked up to Lois (taking into consideration, Lo is older). Chloe in fact pushed Lo into journalism......Devoted......"Welcome to the bull pen, Miss Lane" screams loudly at me.;)

[Clarkgirl8]

Originally posted by Jory
Shame that Allison's, possible, last season will be a season of Chloe-bashing so others look good.

Exactly why im thinking this is just more drama and then AN AMAZING HAPPY ENDING! :D

Go Chlo!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

she had work very hard to get a job to the dp

Just how exactly is your friend joining a sorority of lesbian vampires and having problems with her boyfriend, who is also your friend, which all eventually leads to you getting bittten, working hard?

Events transpired with Clana, that caused the story (that Chloe would eventually submit to Kahn) to drop right into her lap. Pretty much the same way Lois's story on the spaceship did.

It's just the way the show is written.

[Odysseus]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Just how exactly is your friend joining a sorority of lesbian vampires and having problems with her boyfriend, who is also your friend, which all eventually leads to you getting bittten, working hard?

Events transpired with Clana, that caused the story (that Chloe would eventually submit to Kahn) to drop right into her lap. Pretty much the same way Lois's story on the spaceship did.

It's just the way the show is written.

exactly. in both situations, Chloe and Lois maybe should have been more gradually brought aboard the DP. But hey, I like the fact that they're both there now. Maybe this might even induce the both of them to be more motivated with their reporting.

[jazel]

LOL
Chloe, can apparently do NO wrong, w/ some.lol
but for ME, she ain't all that.:p
she ain't, in the Supes Universe, as far as comics are concerned,LOL. I have heard that they bought the rights to her, so apparently EVERYBODY has their price.LOL :p

[The_Frag_Man]

I think it's cool they bought the character, maybe one day there will be an ICS ;)

[Kriminal]

and yet again another chloe sob thread in the spoiler section

[jazel]

LOL :D

[meteor]

Chloe fans talking about realism with regards to Lois joining the DP...this after Chloe got re-hired back from a paper that fired her 2 years prior for being a back room cheat, because of a story written about sorority lesbian vampires :lol: a new low in double standards i think has been hit after this episode.

[Bigx07]

I was kind of ma at the way the editor was mad dogging chloe.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Just how exactly is your friend joining a sorority of lesbian vampires and having problems with her boyfriend, who is also your friend, which all eventually leads to you getting bittten, working hard?

Events transpired with Clana, that caused the story (that Chloe would eventually submit to Kahn) to drop right into her lap. Pretty much the same way Lois's story on the spaceship did.

It's just the way the show is written.

THe way they both got in, I thought was fine. They both did work hard for those stories. They were looking for a story and another story jumped at them. Sometimes it works that way. My only problem with Lois is that she gets these stories because Chloe dismisses them because she is trying to protect Clark's secret.

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Just how exactly is your friend joining a sorority of lesbian vampires and having problems with her boyfriend, who is also your friend, which all eventually leads to you getting bittten, working hard?

Events transpired with Clana, that caused the story (that Chloe would eventually submit to Kahn) to drop right into her lap. Pretty much the same way Lois's story on the spaceship did.

It's just the way the show is written.

Chloe had her eye on that sorority before Lana joined there... She went undercover, with Clark.

Chloe also, based on the proof, talked to the CDC agent, got reports from Luthor Corp of the project. Interviewed people people, thus the eyewitness reports. That's where is the hard work comes from.

[Kriminal]

Originally posted by Kriminal
and yet again another chloe sob thread in the spoiler section

i'd really hate to see if chloe died for real what would happen on this forum:lol:

[M4nfr3]

Originally posted by Kriminal
i'd really hate to see if chloe died for real what would happen on this forum:lol:

everybody would go away!!!:lol::lol:

[Kriminal]

off-topic, where can i find a list of tv show ratings weekly or daily that includes all shows not just the top 20 or so on? I have looked for 20 min with no luck.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by jazel
she ain't, in the Supes Universe, as far as comics are concerned

She is in the Supes Universe as far as Smallville is concerned. You can dismiss it all you want but nothing you say can take away from the importance of Chloe in Smallville and in Clark's life.


everybody would go away!!!

Nah, I'd hang around and be annoying, run around all the forums posting 'Chloe rulez' and 'in yo faces haterz' etc.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by Dustmite
Nah, I'd hang around and be annoying, run around all the forums posting 'Chloe rulez' and 'in yo faces haterz' etc.

:D :D :D I think we would make a good team :lol:

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Chloe had her eye on that sorority before Lana joined there... She went undercover, with Clark.

Chloe also, based on the proof, talked to the CDC agent, got reports from Luthor Corp of the project. Interviewed people people, thus the eyewitness reports. That's where is the hard work comes from.

But that doesn't change the fact the story was absolute crap and should never haven gotten her the job.

Lois had proof too. She had satellite images of the ship. She worked hard on the story too. It's the same thing.

You're trying to make this a double standard because of your shipper preference.

[The_Frag_Man]

She didn't have satellite images of the ship, but the site and people driving away to somewhere else.

Why is the story crap? Could you explain? She didn't make it up.

[Odysseus]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
But that doesn't change the fact the story was absolute crap and should never haven gotten her the job.

Lois had proof too. She had satellite images of the ship. She worked hard on the story too. It's the same thing.

You're trying to make this a double standard because of your shipper preference.

I agree.

If you think about it, the story that got Chloe into the DP and the story that got Lois into the DP seem equally unbelievable.

Chloe writes a story about a sorority of lesbian vampires. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

Lois writes a story about an alien spaceship landing. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

I mean, WE know the stories were true because we are the audience, but there is no reason why Editor Kahn or Editor Gabriel would believe them, is there?

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
She didn't have satellite images of the ship, but the site and people driving away to somewhere else.

Why is the story crap? Could you explain? She didn't make it up.

Neither did Lois. They're both equally unbelievable.

[The_Frag_Man]

But one of them had proof.

How are they equally unbelievable? To the editors.

[Mello Penelo]

Both of them had proof.

[The_Frag_Man]

Grant says: "I don't care if every word of it's true, I can't run a story about a ship from outer space without a photo"

[All about Clark]

Chloe had documented proof and actually Lois didn't have anything except the trucks hauling something to Granville.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by Odysseus
I agree.

If you think about it, the story that got Chloe into the DP and the story that got Lois into the DP seem equally unbelievable.

Chloe writes a story about a sorority of lesbian vampires. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

Lois writes a story about an alien spaceship landing. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

I mean, WE know the stories were true because we are the audience, but there is no reason why Editor Kahn or Editor Gabriel would believe them, is there?

Agreed. I dislike the way BOTH of them got into the Planet.

I suppose I'll go to the New York Times with a story about, uhm... welll....I can't come up with anything clever! :\ But it'll be ridiculous and I'll have 'proof' and get in. HA!

[samanta]

Originally posted by Odysseus
I agree.

If you think about it, the story that got Chloe into the DP and the story that got Lois into the DP seem equally unbelievable.

Chloe writes a story about a sorority of lesbian vampires. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

Lois writes a story about an alien spaceship landing. "Welcome to the Daily Planet!"

I mean, WE know the stories were true because we are the audience, but there is no reason why Editor Kahn or Editor Gabriel would believe them, is there? Couldn't agree more.
It was badly written in both cases.
I took the whole Thirst as one bad joke. With Kara it isn't so easy because it was good episode, Lois and her article aside.

[The_Frag_Man]

Yeah thirst was a Halloween/joke episode, I think action will be another joke episode.

[chlo-el]

Chloe did have proof and reliable sources which she pointed at Kahn. Lois is still starting out. She did have proof but it disapeared on her and she handed it in w/out proof.

In both cases either story wasn't printed. And Kahn did give Chloe the impression that the DP are not intersted in out there stories. So that could be part of the reason why Chloe was telling Lois to back off she didn't want her to get embaressed like she had before. Of course the other reason was to protect Clark's secret but I don't think she came in encounter with someone that would think alien space ship would be good news.

[xaosthry]

Chloe did also make a comment that she is still trying to get credibility from her Torch stories.
Chloe was trying to teach Lois by her own mistakes, but as we all learned by now. There is no telling Lois anything.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by xaosthry
Chloe did also make a comment that she is still trying to get credibility from her Torch stories.
Chloe was trying to teach Lois by her own mistakes, but as we all learned by now. There is no telling Lois anything.

Which also adds to the unfairness of it all. Chloe never was taken seriously about her tendancy to report on the weird and she has stayed away from that since she started at the DP but then this new editor comes on tells her to write more stories like the ones she has been laughed at for writing.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by chlo-el
Chloe did have proof and reliable sources which she pointed at Kahn. Lois is still starting out. She did have proof but it disapeared on her and she handed it in w/out proof.

In both cases either story wasn't printed. And Kahn did give Chloe the impression that the DP are not intersted in out there stories. So that could be part of the reason why Chloe was telling Lois to back off she didn't want her to get embaressed like she had before. Of course the other reason was to protect Clark's secret but I don't think she came in encounter with someone that would think alien space ship would be good news.

My argument is people being angry with Lois for getting a job at the Daily Planet for the story she wrote. I said it was a double standard because Chloe got a job the exact same way.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
My argument is people being angry with Lois for getting a job at the Daily Planet for the story she wrote. I said it was a double standard because Chloe got a job the exact same way. Quick question. If they got the job the same way [and I agree, kind of], do you agree that both got the job a bad, unrealistic way or both got the job a good, realistic way?

[Mello Penelo]

I think it was bad they got the job this way. I think they needed to finish college, pay their dues at, oh, I don't know, a weekly newspaper in Poughkeepsie, NY for five or ten years, then get their jobs at the Daily Planet.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
My argument is people being angry with Lois for getting a job at the Daily Planet for the story she wrote. I said it was a double standard because Chloe got a job the exact same way.

I was arguing that it wasn't exactly the same way because Chloe had proof and Lois didn't. We know it was true but the proof that was there was gone.

The way they both got in was simular because the way they got in their story wasn't printed.

[Mello Penelo]

Lois had proof. The images she got from the satellite had trucks carting away the ship. You could see the red ship from the images.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I think it was bad they got the job this way. I think they needed to finish college, pay their dues at, oh, I don't know, a weekly newspaper in Poughkeepsie, NY for five or ten years, then get their jobs at the Daily Planet.

I agree but fans are impaitent and Al/Miles are responding to them saying get Lois at the DP already. And apparently they don't want to do the whole school news paper thing again. And for the show as it is they want to show them all living and working the grown up world instead of working at a college.


Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Lois had proof. The images she got from the satellite had trucks carting away the ship. You could see the red ship from the images.
Oh my bad. But that wasn't so tanglible that she could prove what it was. And that's why Grant didn't print it he said so himself.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
I think it was bad they got the job this way. I think they needed to finish college, pay their dues at, oh, I don't know, a weekly newspaper in Poughkeepsie, NY for five or ten years, then get their jobs at the Daily Planet. Ah, okay. Just wondering. And I agree.

[queenelizabeth]

Stupid Grant! Thanx 4 crushing Chloe's dreams!

[xaosthry]

I was thinking about this the other day, technically Lois really isn't a highschool grad either. Didn't Clark have Lex pull some strings to get her into college before she finished her hs credits. Then she dropped out of college.

[Mello Penelo]

See, but Lois had gone through her graduation. It was only revealed in the fall after she graduated in the spring the clerical error she didn't pass a few classes. But Lex remedied that, so technically, she did graduate because she walked and got a diploma, regardless of her finishing classes.


Originally posted by queenelizabeth
Stupid Grant! Thanx 4 crushing Chloe's dreams!

Grant didn't crush them. She'd already given up on them.

[The_Frag_Man]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Lois had proof. The images she got from the satellite had trucks carting away the ship. You could see the red ship from the images.

I don't see it. Grant goes over the photos in the elevator, you plain just can't see the ship. I just rewatched it. The trucks are pretty small on the photo's. Grant goes over EVERY photo, and we get a good look at each one.

Lois says: "They're satellite photos showing a caravan of trucks driving from the dam to a grain silo in granville"

If the ship was in the photo, then what was the real reason grant didn't print it? Because he said he couldn't print it without a photo.

[operadiva]

I love you The_Frag_Man.i just wanted to say that....I always love reading your comments...And i agree with what you said..

[The_Frag_Man]

Awwwww...Thank you...:)


:o

[Mello Penelo]

Ugh. I get it now. I give up. Chloe is superior to Lois in every way. Chloe could eat dog **** and people would defend her. The immutable perfection of Chloe and no one could ever match her on her ivory tower. :rolleyes:

Sometimes the fans defending her every breath is enough to make me hate the character.

:mad:

[The_Frag_Man]

I knew you wouldn't be able to defend your claim.

[Mello Penelo]

I proved my point every single time I posted it. You just chose to ignore it.

[The_Frag_Man]

Feel free to point it out.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Lois had proof. The images she got from the satellite had trucks carting away the ship. You could see the red ship from the images.

I said this. While Lois didn't have a close-up photo of the ship doesn't mean she didn't have a photo of it. She had satellite images of it. PHOTOS = PROOF

Chloe, on the other hand, had the sources to back up the story, but, like Lois, had no photos of the lesbian vampires. SOURCES = PROOF

Chloe is NO better than Lois. Neither of them should have their jobs.

[The_Frag_Man]

She did not have satellite images of the ship, but of a convoy of trucks.

[Sexyman]

Originally posted by xaosthry
I was thinking about this the other day, technically Lois really isn't a highschool grad either. Didn't Clark have Lex pull some strings to get her into college before she finished her hs credits. Then she dropped out of college.

This is exactly why Lois doesn't deserve what she gets. This shows that she gets everything handed to her. She needs to work for what she wants to have potential, it just doesn't happen one day. And begging for a story is no potential, and neither is working at the inquisitor.