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Jory

10-03-2007, 08:21 PM

Is the Chloe getting crapped on really bad this episode? Can you give examples,what was said to her, for instance.

It's a shame that this might be Allison's last year and TPTB are crapping on her character. I thought they'd find a better way to get her out of journalism,if they did. Guess they have to totally destroy the character.

Mctor: Unless TPTB do the even more cliche' thing,by turning Chloe "evil'. If TPTB strip the character of everything,then they might just have Chloe become evil. They will not allow Chloe to triumph,even a little. Al said in a TV Guide interview in Season 4 that: "Chloe will never win." I assumed they'd take her out of journalism,but I thought it was going to be handled better. Instead, it sounds like TPTB are going to destroy the character.

I thought Al & Co would be happy that so many fans like their character that they created; however, in the interviews I've read (past and present) it sounds like the opposite. Of course, they don't even seem to like Superman/Clark,so I shouldn't be surprised.

chlarklove

10-03-2007, 08:26 PM

Deconstruction of Chloe's character? :lol: No. It's called 'setting her up to be the underdog'.

Who do you root for?

The one who gets things handed to them on a silver platter w/o having to earn it...

OR

The one who constantly gets kicked in the teeth, insulted, works hard and is shown to be talented and smart...

Tough decision. :p

harryandginnyfanatic

10-03-2007, 08:32 PM

I hate to say it.

But with ED being contracted for next season and AM not being contracted, I think it's pretty clear what direction they're taking Chloe for her last season.

aqgalaxy

10-03-2007, 08:34 PM

You guys mind telling me where people got who was contracted for the next season and who's not.. I don't remember that...

I only remember TW signed on for S8,

chlarklove

10-03-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
But with ED being contracted for next season and AM not being contracted, I think it's pretty clear what direction they're taking Chloe for her last season.

ED is not signed for an 8th season. Her contracts are season per season.

And what direction is that exactly? Cause it's pretty clear to me that they're refocusing Chloe's priorities in journalism here giving her some competition, thereby kick starting her fire again.

MsSullivan

10-03-2007, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I hate to say it.

But with ED being contracted for next season and AM not being contracted, I think it's pretty clear what direction they're taking Chloe for her last season.

Thing is we don't know if we'll have a season 8. And like KK did last year with her contract...things can change in the last minutes.

So, I wouldn't count Allison out of S8 AND I don't think a s8 is guaranteed.

Routh

10-03-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
ED is not signed for an 8th season. Her contracts are season per season.
Tabby said it, not us. TW, ED, and JG are all contracted through season 8.

aqgalaxy

10-03-2007, 08:39 PM

I think we will see Allison sign if S8 is guaranteed... if it isn't why bother planning for it?

harryandginnyfanatic

10-03-2007, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Routh
Tabby said it, not us. TW, ED, and JG are all contracted through season 8.

Thanks Routh. I was feeling a bit outnumbered.

Jory

10-03-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I hate to say it.

But with ED being contracted for next season and AM not being contracted, I think it's pretty clear what direction they're taking Chloe for her last season.

Yeah, down the toilet. I thought they'd give the character ,and fans of the character, a better farwell then it appears they are. I always suspected they'd phase Chloe out of the reporter role (that's Lois' job), but I had hoped it would be treated better. I also thought Allison would get a better send off than TPTB are appearing to give her. TPTB's are certainly giving the Chloe fans the big "f-you" sign huh? I don't think my friends that are hardcore Chloe fans will be too pleased. Shame,really.

chlarklove

10-03-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Routh
Tabby said it, not us. TW, ED, and JG are all contracted through season 8.

And Tabby is now a representative of Erica Durance?

TW is known because he's the star, and that was a part of renegotiations a long time ago.

JG is known because he said so in an interview (and he also said "ONE other person is signed for the 8th"... Tom Welling).

When it comes to Allison Mack information, yeah.. Tabby can be cited. But not for Erica Durance.

Also, who's to say there WILL be a season 8? And if there is a s8, who knows if AM won't change her mind and come back or be enticed/coerced to come back by the producers?

liana

10-03-2007, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
You guys mind telling me where people got who was contracted for the next season and who's not.. I don't remember that...

I only remember TW signed on for S8,

Tabby Marie, who runs AM's site said that TW, ED and JG are the ones contracted for the 8th season so far. She also said that she doubts that AM is returning to show next season (95% sure that she isn't).

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:02 PM

Deconstruction? Yeah right. Just considering last ep AND the spoilers for upcoming episodes...yes yes yes the freak storyline and her new scoop for the DP and scene w lex AND new position in the credits...no. thats not deconstruction at all. More like reconstruction. Considering what Ive heard about Lois and mr DP editor sounds more like setting Chloe up as the underdog to get the big story to me.

aqgalaxy

10-03-2007, 09:03 PM

Liana, I read her quote...

She said she was 90% sure her contract ends with Season 7

liana

10-03-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
And Tabby is now a representative of Erica Durance?

TW is known because he's the star, and that was a part of renegotiations a long time ago.

JG is known because he said so in an interview (and he also said "ONE other person is signed for the 8th"... Tom Welling).

When it comes to Allison Mack information, yeah.. Tabby can be cited. But not for Erica Durance.

Well, she said that. I am assuming that if she said it, it is because someone told her that, and I doubt she would be making it up.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Liana, I read her quote...

She said she was 90% sure her contract ends with Season 7

And contracts renew.

aqgalaxy

10-03-2007, 09:04 PM

liana

10-03-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Liana, I read her quote...

She said she was 90% sure her contract ends with Season 7

Sorry I said 95%. It wasn't my intention to misquote it.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by liana
Sorry I said 95%. It wasn't my intention to misquote it.

We forgives you.

But also, a contract expiring doesn't mean the actress won't come back.

It just means when she originally signed on for the show she signed on for 7 seasons bc tptb didnt know how long the show was going to go on.

Once the contract expires, it can always be renewed, depending on if the actress or ptb want it. :)

harryandginnyfanatic

10-03-2007, 09:15 PM

Look on the bright side guys.

If this is her last season then we still have what's left of this season to enjoy her.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Look on the bright side guys.

If this is her last season then we still have what's left of this season to enjoy her.

No! BOOOOOOO!!!! :rotfl: BOOOOOOO!!!:rotfl:

liana

10-03-2007, 09:19 PM

Any way, I don't think her character is being "de-constructed" at all. I really believe that the PTB thought it would be interesting or ironic having Chloe be a metteor freak, considering she wrote about them for so long. I don't like the plot, but I believe is only that.

Alison Mack is loved by the producers. I doubt they would try to destroy her character. I think, however, that her knowledge of Clark's secret has harmed her character a lot, and this might be why the producers came with this plot, so that Chloe would have a story arc completely independent of Clark.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by liana
Any way, I don't think her character is being "de-constructed" at all. I really believe that the PTB thought it would be interesting or ironic having Chloe be a metteor freak, considering she wrote about them for so long. I don't like the plot, but I believe is only that.

Alison Mack is loved by the producers. I doubt they would try to destroy her character. I think, however, that her knowledge of Clark's secret has harmed her character a lot, and this might be why the producers came with this plot, so that Chloe would have a story arc completely independent of Clark.

Yeah I kind of agree. Im one of those ppl who actually lioke the IDEA of the freak storyline...but that Allison said in her interview that Chloe doesnt even really know what her power even is? Scary! :lol:

D.M.A.

10-03-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by liana
and this might be why the producers came with this plot, so that Chloe would have a story arc completely independent of Clark.
but is it really tho?I mean tptb said this will bring chlark closer this season(deepen their dynamic)cause now its chloe wit a secret.I bet clark will be the only 1(if lois doesnt kno)to kno of her power,and it'll be them keepin each other secret plus kara's.So I dont see how even this is independent of clark since he'll be tied into it sumhow also.

aqgalaxy

10-03-2007, 09:33 PM

Liana... I think Chloe refocusing on her journalism is her story arc that's independent from Clark

freefall

10-03-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Yeah I kind of agree. Im one of those ppl who actually lioke the IDEA of the freak storyline...but that Allison said in her interview that Chloe doesnt even really know what her power even is? Scary! :lol:

Well, just take Peter Petrelli as an example then lol, he was totally nuts in the beginning. He knew has an ability, he just didn't know what exactly it was and it took quite some time before he got it all figured out.

D.M.A.

10-03-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Liana... I think Chloe refocusing on her journalism is her story arc that's independent from Clark
agreed,I think the meteor power is what brings chlark closer and the journalism is what seperates them.For now :p

liana

10-03-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Liana... I think Chloe refocusing on her journalism is her story arc that's independent from Clark

Let's hope she is really refocusing, because, till now, her journalism arc has been used only at Clark's service.

Jory

10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

So it sounds like TPTB are stripping Chloe of everything. Journalism (to be expected), "sidekick" role, "secret keeper" and I heard that Clark decides to spend time with Lois rather than Chloe, so also the "friendship" role. Doesn't appear that Chloe fans have much to look forward to this season.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by liana
Let's hope she is really refocusing, because, till now, her journalism arc has been used only at Clark's service.

Well with editor apparently getting on her back and basically telling her she doesnt got what it takes...hopefully what AM said about Chloe realizing where her priorities lie and getting back into competitive journalism comes to pass.

liana

10-03-2007, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Jory
So it sounds like TPTB are stripping Chloe of everything. Journalism (to be expected), "sidekick" role, "secret keeper" and I heard that Clark decides to spend time with Lois rather than Chloe, so also the "friendship" role. Doesn't appear that Chloe fans have much to look forward to this season.

Jory, he only decides to spend time with Lois because she was knocked unconscious twice in the episode, and he is worried about her.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by liana
Jory, he only decides to spend time with Lois because she was knocked unconscious twice in the episode, and he is worried about her.

Yeah jeesh. That would look horrible if he just let her suffer all by herself! I mean...she thinks she was attacked by aliens! :)

lilkoolmaria

10-03-2007, 09:53 PM

She gets knocked out TWICE? I know one time Kara knocks her out, but what about the other time?

Clarkgirl8

10-03-2007, 09:54 PM

liana

10-03-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Yeah jeesh. That would look horrible if he just let her suffer all by herself! I mean...she thinks she was attacked by aliens! :)

Actually, he wants to get her to the hospital, but she refuses to go because she wants to write her article.

ETA: Just noticed I called Clark "she". :p Shame on me.

Lostfan588

10-03-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by liana
Actually, she wants to get her to the hospital, but she refuses to go because she wants to write her article.

So...has she written it yet? I dont know how shed be able to get much info? :confused:

Jory

10-04-2007, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Well with editor apparently getting on her back and basically telling her she doesnt got what it takes...hopefully what AM said about Chloe realizing where her priorities lie and getting back into competitive journalism comes to pass.

Unless TPTB have her give up. Or they could do the cliche' thing of turning her "evil". It appears, from what I've read, that it's crap on Chloe season, so I'm preparing for the worst. It appears that a lot of people felt bad for Chloe. According to them, Chloe got kicked in the face at every opportunity. This season doesn't look good for Chloe fans. I had hoped that TPTB taking Chloe out of journalism would've been handled better; but ,apparently, that isn't the case.

It also appears that TPTB are setting up sides, feeding into the discontent between some Chlo-Lo fans, by making the cousins competition and having Grant treat one like crap and the other like gold. Too bad, I had hoped to see some teaming up before they took Chloe out of journalism.

At least there were scenes of Chloe and Lois sticking up for the other to Grant. Shame that's going to be ruined.

Ilovebeinglost

10-04-2007, 07:53 AM

Chloe has changed since finding out about Clark's secret. She is helping to hide what she once was so passionate about writing.

We see how great she is in helping Clark but no one else does.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 07:56 AM

Also EDLois isn't in the next ep... Grant is... and Chloe lands a major scoop... my guess she does a story and will impress the editor

Jory

10-04-2007, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Also EDLois isn't in the next ep... Grant is... and Chloe lands a major scoop... my guess she does a story and will impress the editor

Does Grant print it,though? She could bring in a great story,but if Grant doesn't want it printed it will not be. Does he want Chloe out of the Planet or does he want to break her?

What I think is interesting,is not only did Chloe fans feel bad for her, but so did some Lana nad Lois fans. I don't know what TPTB's goal was by having Grant treat her like crap.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 08:05 AM

Jory... I don't know till next week :lol:

But my guess is... Chloe's gonna show him that she still has her spark and my guess is that she will pull through and impress him...

They tend to bash Chloe in one ep... then praise her in the next...

Jory

10-04-2007, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Jory... I don't know till next week :lol:

But my guess is... Chloe's gonna show him that she still has her spark and my guess is that she will pull through and impress him...

They tend to bash Chloe in one ep... then praise her in the next...

Lol. I know we have to wait for next week; however, judging Grant on what I've read I wouldn't be surprised if the article isn't printed. It sounds like he wants to break her or fire her. It doesn't sound like he's impressed with her. I don't understand why he didn't fire her then and there. Guess TPTB want to kick her around in more episodes.

Ilovebeinglost

10-04-2007, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Jory
Does Grant print it,though? She could bring in a great story,but if Grant doesn't want it printed it will not be. Does he want Chloe out of the Planet or does he want to break her?

What I think is interesting,is not only did Chloe fans feel bad for her, but so did some Lana nad Lois fans. I don't know what TPTB's goal was by having Grant treat her like crap.

No he doesn't print the story. He thinks it's a brilliant story but there are no pictures. Lois was taking a video but the camera disappeared ;)

Chloe sticks up for her when the editor tells Lois she should always carry a back up camera

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 08:17 AM

I dunno... I can't help thinking maybe Grant works for Lex... and there isn't anything Lex wants more then Chloe to leave the DP

Ilovebeinglost

10-04-2007, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I dunno... I can't help thinking maybe Grant works for Lex... and there isn't anything Lex wants more then Chloe to leave the DP

You may be right, he's very young, handsome and being honoured at banquet for his work ( already).

Sounds like money connections to me but we'll see what the season brings.

Lois will be sharing Chloe's desk, that should be interesting.

freefall

10-04-2007, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Jory
Does Grant print it,though? She could bring in a great story,but if Grant doesn't want it printed it will not be. Does he want Chloe out of the Planet or does he want to break her?

Oh please, enough with the "poor little Chloe" crap. I don't see anyone crying foul over Kahn when she didn't print Chloe's article in Thirst.

I find it funny that Grant is being perceived as the big bad wolf because he was stating the hard truth about Chloe and journalism, but Kahn doing the same in Thirst is proof that the DP's editors are of high standards? :rolleyes:

Jory

10-04-2007, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Oh please, enough with the "poor little Chloe" crap. I don't see anyone crying foul over Kahn when she didn't print Chloe's article in Thirst.

I find it funny that Grant is being perceived as the big bad wolf because he was stating the hard truth about Chloe and journalism, but Kahn doing the same in Thirst is proof that the DP's editors are of high standards? :rolleyes:

So you agree that Chloe sucks? If Chloe sucks so much,why didn't/doesn't Grant just fire her then? He can do whatever he wants,he's the editor. Why keep Chloe around if she's oh so terrible,per Grant's speach? That's what I don't understand,if Grant thinks Chloe sucks why is he keeping her on?

Honestly, if I were the new editor and thought an employee was as horrible as Grant thinks Chloe is, I'd fire her/him. I've seen a lot of people wonder what's up with Grant for precisly that reason. If he feels that Chloe's so horrible why keep her at the Planet?

StrippedSmile

10-04-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Oh please, enough with the "poor little Chloe" crap. I don't see anyone crying foul over Kahn when she didn't print Chloe's article in Thirst.

I find it funny that Grant is being perceived as the big bad wolf because he was stating the hard truth about Chloe and journalism, but Kahn doing the same in Thirst is proof that the DP's editors are of high standards? :rolleyes:

Kahn gave her the job though and said her article was good [though it wasn't printed]. We kind of have reason to be okay with Kahn and dislike Grant, whom seems to throw cheap insults at Chloe.

I'll have to see the episode first before I can make a clear decision though, but based on what I've heard, Grant wasn't stating "hard truth".

freefall

10-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by StrippedSmile
Kahn gave her the job though and said her article was good [though it wasn't printed]. We kind of have reason to be okay with Kahn and dislike Grant, whom seems to throw cheap insults at Chloe.

I'll have to see the episode first before I can make a clear decision though, but based on what I've heard, Grant wasn't stating "hard truth".

Actually, Kahn described Chloe's column as "juvenile pablum", she never said it was good. Even when Chloe has provided all the proof for the vampire story, it still wasn't published and for me, there's only one reason for it: the writing's not good enough for the DP standards.

Originally posted by Jory
So you agree that Chloe sucks? If Chloe sucks so much,why didn't/doesn't Grant just fire her then? He can do whatever he wants,he's the editor. Why keep Chloe around if she's oh so terrible,per Grant's speach? That's what I don't understand,if Grant thinks Chloe sucks why is he keeping her on?

Honestly, if I were the new editor and thought an employee was as horrible as Grant thinks Chloe is, I'd fire her/him. I've seen a lot of people wonder what's up with Grant for precisly that reason. If he feels that Chloe's so horrible why keep her at the Planet?

Chloe has the potential to become a great reporter, she just doesn't know how to sort out her priorities. Like I said, I've noticed this way back since S5 itself.

And Kahn hired Chloe back even when she has been fired from the DP for a column she didn't even deserve in the first place. If Chloe's oh so terrible according to Kahn but she was still hired anyway, then what's so strange if Grant decided to wait for a little longer to see if she could refocus in journalism by giving her some constructive criticism? I'd even say that Grant giving Chloe a chance is much more believable than Kahn hiring her back.

So again I ask, why all these double standards between Kahn and Grant?

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 09:37 AM

anyone else think it's weird that Grant totally bashes Chloe, yet this is the person Lois is going to look up to as her Journalistic idol?

Also I understand Grant's view... Chloe hadn't made a front page article since Sub... that's like 2 years ago in Smallville timeline..

Chloe diverted all the Journalistic skills to the 33.1 story... this is why she hasn't been doing other stories on her own because she has a huge one... LuthorCorp's crime against Humanity.... she is just needs to gather more evidence... See IMO Chloe dedicated herself to this one story she's not chasing any others and to Grant, who doesn't know Chloe is in pursuit of a hot story thinks she lost her mojo...

I mean look at all the missed opprotunities... The Luthor Wedding... Linda Lake brought down... all these stories Chloe was a part of, a reporter's dream and not one article from them? He thinks she just lazy now... just doing what's assigned... I understand his reasons to bash her, but the viewers should know better

Originally posted by seacrystal
Oh please, enough with the "poor little Chloe" crap.

Aww poor Chloe!!!! :p

litew8

10-04-2007, 09:41 AM

Did someone say 33.1?
muhahaha

jazel

10-04-2007, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
anyone else think it's weird that Grant totally bashes Chloe, yet this is the person Lois is going to look up to as her Journalistic idol?

where is written, that Lo looks up to Grant, as her idol ?
I understand that she may be impressed at his title, considering his age. but that doesn't mean she sees him as her idol.
and considering Chloe isn't talking much too Lois these days( or being honest w/ her), maybe Lo won't even know what's going on between the two.

myankskent

10-04-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Oh please, enough with the "poor little Chloe" crap. I don't see anyone crying foul over Kahn when she didn't print Chloe's article in Thirst.

And to me, I'm not going to start feeling sorry for Chloe because she made conscious decisions to ignore her journalism and help Clark out instead. Now I'll start listing all of the adjectives necessary to illustrate how great of a friend Chloe is to Clark, but it doesn't go both ways. Those adjectives do not apply to journalism if she has chosen to neglect it. I can't agree that Chloe is some great journalist if she puts it on the back burner to do other things.

savingpeoplething

10-04-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by jazel
where is written, that Lo looks up to Grant, as her idol ?

I'm pretty sure Durance has said it in an interview.
Maybe for The CW Source? Can't remember.

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Its a set up..knock 'em down before they rise again.

Yeppers.
And, it's been building since "Static", really, with people telling Chloe she CAN'T do something. Also happened in "Hydro" and "Progeny".

You don't treat a character like that and NOT have them succeed in the end.

BIGtime Underdog setup.

Originally posted by chlarklove
The one who constantly gets kicked in the teeth, insulted, works hard and is shown to be talented and smart...

Linda Lake told her to "sharpen her teeth" and I think a little competition with Lois will do just that.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 12:50 PM

Does anyone know what Kara said to Chloe? what was her insult

Ilovebeinglost

10-04-2007, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Does anyone know what Kara said to Chloe? what was her insult

The first thing Chloe said was, she knew she was Clark's cousin by the primary colors she was wearing :lol:

Kara looked at her without much expression and said have you found my ship?

No.. then Chloe's usual cute remarks then Kara said to Clark, she's just a human

But Clark said , she is just a human that is smarter than you and I put together. That was priceless

;)

I didn't think that was an insult because right now she really doesn't know them and thinks they are such primative creatures

jazel

10-04-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
I'm pretty sure Durance has said it in an interview.
Maybe for The CW Source? Can't remember.

remember the interview, don't remember idol actually being used though.

chlarklove

10-04-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
So again I ask, why all these double standards between Kahn and Grant?

Because Kahn is respectable, hard working, cares about Facts and The Truth, and worked her way up to editor.

Grant Gabriel is very young, wants to only "sell papers" (doesn't care about The Truth), is slimy and very likely a plant.

jazel

10-04-2007, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost

But Clark said , she is just a human that is smarter than you and I put together. That was priceless

;)
CK, canNOT include Kara, in his BDA corner, when she's obviously smarter than him.:lol:

harryandginnyfanatic

10-04-2007, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
But Clark said , she is just a human that is smarter than you and I put together. That was priceless

And on top of that, she can also heal people with her tears.

Memo to Chloe: Fawkes the Phoniex wants his power back. :lol:

poetryfoot

10-04-2007, 01:54 PM

OHh----I hope that this crapping or stating the truth or whatever this is doesn't last long for Chloe--she is gonna have a hard time of it dealing with her power and trying to make it work with Jimmy- (hopefully code name operation Chlark)-boy--she has a lot to deal with......i would go nuts probably and tell Clark to keep his own dang secret for once...or take a vacation...Boooooo---whatever happened to that interview or whatever where they said that Chloe would only move up in the DP?

on the other hand--I am glad that Lois is in the dP--that should be fun to watch--she deserves it...but I also think Chloe does....

StrippedSmile

10-04-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Actually, Kahn described Chloe's column as "juvenile pablum", she never said it was good. Even when Chloe has provided all the proof for the vampire story, it still wasn't published and for me, there's only one reason for it: the writing's not good enough for the DP standards. Kahn still hired her, which is as good as a compliment, I think.

And Kahn hired Chloe back even when she has been fired from the DP for a column she didn't even deserve in the first place. If Chloe's oh so terrible according to Kahn but she was still hired anyway, then what's so strange if Grant decided to wait for a little longer to see if she could refocus in journalism by giving her some constructive criticism? I'd even say that Grant giving Chloe a chance is much more believable than Kahn hiring her back.

Because what Chloe did was two years ago [season 5 time] and she paid the price for it? [Attempted murder anyone?]

Honey45

10-04-2007, 03:48 PM

I don't think they're ruining the character or anything. The editor just said she lost her spark. It's not a big deal. For all we know, he's wrong.

The editor was pretty rude to her in this episode, but I don't think it's anything signifigant.

I agree that she should be killed off though.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 03:50 PM

HeddyH... I'm liking you with every post you make... I don't agree with that last line but...everything else... I like.

Honey45

10-04-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
HeddyH... I'm liking you with every post you make... I don't agree with that last line but...everything else... I like.

:lol:
Yeah, sorry. Since day one, I've always had a feeling Chloe would be killed off. I don't know, it seems like it should be done by the end of the series. We know no one else is going to die, so Chloe's death could "push Clark over the edge" so to speak. Ultimately, I want Lex to kill her.

Then Clark would be like "This guy has to be stopped" and become SUperman etc.

jazel

10-04-2007, 05:44 PM

do not want Chloe dead, just wish she never found out his secret.

darkraya

10-04-2007, 06:26 PM

i didnt watch the episode but i dont think kara is nessecerely going to take choles place as clarks sidekick.

what reason would he have in flushing her?

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 06:28 PM

OMG the editor bashed her for telling Lois to do a truthful legit story? that's messed up

cmm

10-04-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
OMG the editor bashed her for telling Lois to do a truthful legit story? that's messed up

That bugged me too. I was like helloooo!!! Chloe's delivered waaaaaaay more stories than lois. It's really bugging me how they're destorying chloe for lois, I know lois is a great reporter in the future. But, I hate the way they've taken her from a lay about to all of a sudden ace reporter extrodinaire, without any build up. At least have her work her way up to Chloe's level rather than sacrifice Chloe for her.

jazel

10-04-2007, 06:50 PM

chloe lost her mojo,lol
atleast she has a power ;)

cmm

10-04-2007, 06:54 PM

This sl is ridiculous! Chloe is just as agressive at going after a story as lois. The way that guy talks she's been sitting on her butt all the time she's been at the planet.

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 07:03 PM

Can't stand the new editor, and how Lois got the job is kind of dumb. Unfortunately, he is so right about about Chloe. She is aggressive about going after a story, but when was the last time we actually saw her chasing a story. Other than research for Clark that never gets printed.

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:04 PM

I actually like Grant, he's seems like a hard hitter.lol

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 07:06 PM

Thing is... he doesn't acknowledge her bylines... nor in an sense say hey getting stories are easier now... they don't have to be totally truthful... give me a well article with half truths and you got a headline But noooooooo he just hope she quits..

Originally posted by jazel
I actually like Grant, he's seems like a hard hitter.lol

Thing is Kahn was better...

Runestone

10-04-2007, 07:06 PM

I admit Chloe's lost her fervor pretty much since she found out Clark's secret; she's been helping him rather than focusing on her career.

I felt really bad for her in this episode because they made it painfully obvious. I'm hoping this new set-up with Lois working at the Planet will reignite that spark she lost rather than set her up for failure.

The WORST thing they could do would be to make Chloe lose her passion; they'd be destroying the most well constructed character on the show.

uhhuhhim

10-04-2007, 07:08 PM

What the **** are they thinking doing this to Chloe? Lois sees a spaceship and that's her claim to fame? What a joke. Chloe knows more about all of this than she does, yet who gets crapped on big time? Chloe. Once again, the producers don't know what the **** they are doing. I can't believe this ****. I felt so bad for her when the new editor grilled her. All I gotta say is there better be some tension-filled scenes between Chloe and Lois later on. Otherwise, this is just their excuse for trashing one of the best characters in a TV series in a long time.

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Thing is... he doesn't acknowledge her bylines... nor in an sense say hey getting stories are easier now... they don't have to be totally truthful... give me a well article with half truths and you got a headline But noooooooo he just hope she quits..

Has she written an attention grab story lately ?
I know ya love Chloe, but honestly she hasn't been much of a reporter lately.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by uhhuhhim
[B]What the **** are they thinking doing this to Chloe? Lois sees a spaceship and that's her claim to fame? What a joke. Chloe knows more about all of this than she does, yet who gets crapped on big time? Chloe. Once again, the producers don't know what the **** they are doing. I can't believe this ****. I felt so bad for her when the new editor grilled her. All I gotta say is there better be some tension-filled scenes between Chloe and Lois later on. Otherwise, this is just their excuse for trashing one of the best characters in a TV series in a long time.

You can NOT dis on Lois in this epi, she stood up for Chloe.:mad:
Lois has fire, something Chloe lost when she found out CK's secret.
Don't dis on her, because of it. Lo was amazing in this epi.:D

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 07:14 PM

I love Chloe, she is the reason I still watch. Truth hurts though. She has put her journalism on the back burner. She will have some competition and this will only work out for the best.

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
What the **** are they thinking doing this to Chloe? Lois sees a spaceship and that's her claim to fame? What a joke. Chloe knows more about all of this than she does, yet who gets crapped on big time? Chloe. Once again, the producers don't know what the **** they are doing. I can't believe this ****. I felt so bad for her when the new editor grilled her. All I gotta say is there better be some tension-filled scenes between Chloe and Lois later on. Otherwise, this is just their excuse for trashing one of the best characters in a TV series in a long time.

The difference is Chloe knows what it is but can't print it with keeping a secret. Lois just smells a story. Can't really hold that against her. I mean if Chloe really wanted to she would have had a bunch of stories with all the stuff she researches.

uhhuhhim

10-04-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by jazel
You can NOT dis on Lois in this epi, she stood up for Chloe.:mad:

Oh, please. Naturally, that's the line they'd give her cousin...like she really gives a damn...Yeah, right.

Randy G.

10-04-2007, 07:16 PM

Seems like they are trying to minimize Chloe's awesomeness, to build up Lois's character.
Attention writers...... Not a cool thing to do. :(

Or on the other hand, it might just mean that the new Editor is just an a$$hole. :lol:

xrayvision

10-04-2007, 07:17 PM

Well, they did minimize Clark's awesomeness to build up Chloe. It's only fair they do the same to her.

Insight

10-04-2007, 07:17 PM

Um....HELLOOOOO???? C'mon guys, it's the second episode of the season. You don't panic until the middle of the fourth quarter ..... or the notoriously bad episodes numbered 15.

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 07:20 PM

^^ This is very true. hehe

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 07:25 PM

Okay, i think given Chloes torn apart reaction in the DP, Grants being a complete jerk .... I could never be more convinced, it does seem they are setting Chloe up as the classic underdog here. How could they not expect us to root for her after THIS! :lol:

cmm

10-04-2007, 07:26 PM

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Deconstruction? Yeah right. Just considering last ep AND the spoilers for upcoming episodes...yes yes yes the freak storyline and her new scoop for the DP and scene w lex AND new position in the credits...no. thats not deconstruction at all. More like reconstruction.

"Reconstruction" is a good and positive term .Well thought of. :)

Like I said in a post in another thread, this is something that Chloe as a character has to go through. Even if you take Kara & Lois out of the equation, you'd still be left with the fact that someday in the future, Clark would have to leave Smallville for training at the FOS. And where will that leave Chloe? She can't play sidekick forever especially when there's no hero to sidekick for. And in the future we all know that Superman doesn't have a sidekick. So a re-evaluation of Chloe's priorities is an eventuality, I think, and a natural progression from the story lines from the past seasons, regardless of Kara's or Lois' presence in S7.

The comment about, "Lois stealing Chloe's spark" is incorrect IMHO. Chloe has come to this point on her own through a series of CHOICES that she made. When Chloe re-evaluates her priorities, she could choose to prioritize journalism and she'll be back on track.

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Oh, please. Naturally, that's the line they'd give her cousin...like she really gives a damn...Yeah, right.
did you take a bathroom break, when Lo was alone w/ Grant ? If not, then rewatch it.
Don't remember, the LAST time Chloe stood up for Lois, like that.:p
Chloe only gives a dam about CK, which is HER downfall.:lol:

Runestone

10-04-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent

Like I said in a post in another thread, this is something that Chloe as a character has to go through. Even if you take Kara & Lois out of the equation, you'd still be left with the fact that someday in the future, Clark would have to leave Smallville for training at the FOS. And where will that leave Chloe? She can't play sidekick forever especially when there's no hero to sidekick for. And in the future we all know that Superman doesn't have a sidekick.

Yeah, but see... Chloe fans don't want to accept that she's not going to be a part of Superman's story; we'd rather have her incorporated into it eventually, though I doubt that's going to happen. Mhm, denial.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 07:47 PM

I still say the Editor only hired Lois to get Chloe back on track because he knows her potential... he obviously did his research on her...

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I still say the Editor only hired Lois to get Chloe back on track because he knows her potential... he obviously did his research on her...
really ?lol
he didn't seemed too impressed w/ Chloe, at all.

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by jazel
did you take a bathroom break, when Lo was alone w/ Grant ? If not, then rewatch it.
Don't remember, the LAST time Chloe stood up for Lois, like that.:p
Chloe only gives a dam about CK, which is HER downfall.:lol:

Well Chloe stood up for Lois at the end, when she thought Grant was gonna drop her...but when Grant made Lois an EQUAL to Chloe, after all Chloe's years of work...yeah shes bound to be a little upset....

ChlarkMe

10-04-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by jazel
did you take a bathroom break, when Lo was alone w/ Grant ? If not, then rewatch it.
Don't remember, the LAST time Chloe stood up for Lois, like that.:p
Chloe only gives a dam about CK, which is HER downfall.:lol:

Really? I'm suprised you feel that way after Phantom. She seemed to care an awful lot about Lois when she was holding in her arms crying over her body begging her not to die.

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:51 PM

where ? I missed it :(
something about Lo learning right ?

harryandginnyfanatic

10-04-2007, 07:53 PM

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by jazel
really ?lol
he didn't seemed too impressed w/ Chloe, at all.

Yet he knows an awful lot about her doesn't he? And he's what? twentie ish? if not 30.... Would he criticize Perry?

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by jazel
really ?lol
he didn't seemed too impressed w/ Chloe, at all.

I think he did. He mentioned the torch twice. Maybe, he could tell that was when she was all about the journalism. He put Lois across from her to "spark the torch that went out after hs".
He is just sees her being to comfortable in the basement, and wants to push them both to be the best.

jazel

10-04-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by ChlarkMe
Really? I'm suprised you feel that way after Phantom. She seemed to care an awful lot about Lois when she was holding in her arms crying over her body begging her not to die.
actually I didn't feel much Chloe-Lo love all s6 long.:(
2 minutes of cradling a dead Lo did make me cry. just seems Chloe always makes CK a priority over Lois. always thought blood was thicker than water and tears...lol...pun intended ;)

Originally posted by xaosthry
I think he did. He mentioned the torch twice. Maybe, he could tell that was when she was all about the journalism. He put Lois across from her to "spark the torch that went out after hs".
He is just sees her being to comfortable in the basement, and wants to push them both to be the best.
okay :)

The_Frag_Man

10-04-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by jazel
always thought blood was thicker than water

It's not.

Well, maybe literally, I dunno :p

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by xaosthry
I think he did. He mentioned the torch twice. Maybe, he could tell that was when she was all about the journalism. He put Lois across from her to "spark the torch that went out after hs".
He is just sees her being to comfortable in the basement, and wants to push them both to be the best.

BUT...it is funny that if Chloe is just a basement worker, he knows everything about her history and her middle name? He really did his homework, to judge her before he even met her.

And the moment he saw Lois, he was already to hire her and make her equal to Chloe before she even had a story printed?

Hows it going to look once Grant becomes Lois' LI, like ED said he will?

Also since around Gemini after maybe an eppy is Grants last episode....

I think he's a plant. Or something is going to happen to him that he loses his job....

KryptonStones

10-04-2007, 08:00 PM

I usually refuse to give my 2 cents in topics such as these, but we've all followed Chloe's character from Season ONE! ONE! And since SEASON ONE, we have followed Chloe's ambition and goals, how she almost betrayed CK, the man she was crazy about at the time, just to pursue her journalistic goals even at the hands of Lionel Luthor. And if we follow the events of season 6.....she has been writing since SEVEN. I'm just saying that it does seem a bit of a deconstruction to have Lois, whose interested in journalism barely started a year ago, seem to outshine Chloe. Granted, it's not Lois's fault, and she was on the verge of turning down the job for her own cousin's sake....but still man....I wanted Lois's beginning not to be at the expense of her cousin. I hope to god TPTB don't turn this into a Chloe/Lois war of the worlds type of thing man.

jazel

10-04-2007, 08:01 PM

Chloe can't really fight back, without exposing CK.:(

cmm

10-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
Yeah, but see... Chloe fans don't want to accept that she's not going to be a part of Superman's story; we'd rather have her incorporated into it eventually, though I doubt that's going to happen. Mhm, denial.

I'm a chloe fan and I accept it. But, what I don't like is the way these writers go from A to C in less than 10 seconds and skip out point b. They just throw stuff out there with no rhyme or reason.

The_Frag_Man

10-04-2007, 08:02 PM

I hope Perry comes in and fires all three of them and then the DP burns down.

That's about how much I care for all the journalism poop. I just want to see CK punching people and having their faces bust open and bits of their skull go flying everywhere and theres some brain left on his fist.

Minela

10-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I still say the Editor only hired Lois to get Chloe back on track because he knows her potential... he obviously did his research on her...

:lol:

I'm sorry. You know I love to argue with you. Kudos. But this is the biggest laugh of all. A guy would hire and pay a girl just to motivate a basement worker? Hmmm? He doesn't seem like the babysitting type. He seems more like the type who is a cut throat boy genious editor. He is being honored by his peers afterall, even though he is pretty young. And if he wanted to motivate Chloe so badly since she is just soooo awsome and everything is about her, he could just have told her to get her butt in gear or get fired. It would have taken him three minutes and he wouldn't have to bother reading Lois' article.

morrigan01

10-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Runestone
Yeah, but see... Chloe fans don't want to accept that she's not going to be a part of Superman's story; we'd rather have her incorporated into it eventually, though I doubt that's going to happen. Mhm, denial.

But see - Chole, at least in the SV Universe - *could* still have a role in the future, just not as Clark/Superman's sidekick (or girlfriend - yes IMO some Chloe fans need to get over *that* part too). She could have a place, with Jimmy, Perry White, Ron Troupe, Cat Grant, and the rest of the iconic DP staff of the future.

She just has to re-focus her priorities back to Journalism, and not on being Clark's personal googler, secret-keeper, and sidekick.

cmm

10-04-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by KryptonStones
I usually refuse to give my 2 cents in topics such as these, but we've all followed Chloe's character from Season ONE! ONE! And since SEASON ONE, we have followed Chloe's ambition and goals, how she almost betrayed CK, the man she was crazy about at the time, just to pursue her journalistic goals even at the hands of Lionel Luthor. And if we follow the events of season 6.....she has been writing since SEVEN. I'm just saying that it does seem a bit of a deconstruction to have Lois, whose interested in journalism barely started a year ago, seem to outshine Chloe. Granted, it's not Lois's fault, and she was on the verge of turning down the job for her own cousin's sake....but still man....I wanted Lois's beginning not to be at the expense of her cousin. I hope to god TPTB don't turn this into a Chloe/Lois war of the worlds type of thing man.

Exactly! That's exactly the way I feel. It's like they just hastly decided to upgrade lois without any thought as to how they would handle chloe. Makes absolutely zip sense.

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by KryptonStones
I hope to god TPTB don't turn this into a Chloe/Lois war of the worlds type of thing man.

Well....they just did....if you saw the look on Chloe's face.....:lol:

And she's going to be getting a big scoop for the Planet, an Grants going to be leaving/kicked out soon...

So I wouldnt worry about.

Its just like theyre setting her up as the classic underdog here.

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by morrigan01

She just has to re-focus her priorities back to Journalism, and not on being Clark's personal googler, secret-keeper, and sidekick.

She even told Clark that the new editor is breathing down her neck saying she can't help him right now... so that's a thought...

Funny... Chloe found reports of poor am/fm frequencies and that tied into Kara's Ship... maybe Chloe still has it? lol

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Well....they just did....if you saw the look on Chloe's face.....:lol:

And she's going to be getting a big scoop for the Planet, an Grants going to be leaving/kicked out soon...

So I wouldnt worry about.

Its just like theyre setting her up as the classic underdog here.

Thats cool, I always root for the underdog anyway.

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
She even told Clark that the new editor is breathing down her neck saying she can't help him right now... so that's a thought...

Chloe starting to focus on her career maybe this will be what it take to have Clark grow a brain cell or two.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I still say the Editor only hired Lois to get Chloe back on track because he knows her potential... he obviously did his research on her... If I use this reasoning to solve the shortcomings in my department, I'd be hiring ten new people every week and tremendously overshoot my budget :( I think the general reason for hiring new people is

a) you'd think they'd be an asset to the company b) there's some work left to be done that's not being fulfilled by the current staff c) there's additional workload that can't be attended to by current staff d) you'd rather they work for you than the competition (hence "headhunting")

Hiring new people just to "inspire" my current staff would get in trouble with my boss :/ JMHO. :/

fxrsteve

10-04-2007, 08:13 PM

The writers are FINALLY tying up these story lines that have been going on for 6 years. The 'Kara' episode not only shows Chloe the door but also sets us up to get rid of Lana.
Sorry, but it has to happen

savingpeoplething

10-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by xaosthry
I always root for the underdog anyway.

That's what you should always do :)
And, Chloe is most definitely being set up as the underdog, with Lois getting the fast track and Chloe has "the new editor breathing down her neck".

I'd like to see the underdog succeed in the end. Otherwise, it's a craptacular story that sends bad messages.

I just want to also say that I loved that Chloe stood up for The Daily Planet's standards and what it represented to the guy who wanted to change it just to sell papers.
That was really great to see.
Makes me cheer for Chloe even more than I already do.

BWOracle

10-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Ever since Chloe found out Clark's secret she's really been handcuffed. How many stories has she had to bury to hide Clark's secret? She has all those juicy inside stories about Justice League, etc. while Lois can pursue the same stories without restraint.

Maybe this will give Chloe the kick in the butt she needs.

OliviaB

10-04-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by fxrsteve
The writers are FINALLY tying up these story lines that have been going on for 6 years. The 'Kara' episode not only shows Chloe the door but also sets us up to get rid of Lana.
Sorry, but it has to happen

Hardly. Pretty much sets Chloe up as the underdog while EDLois gets everything handed to her and more importantly, didn't even want to be at the DP in the first place. She just wants the fame Grant promised her when he sweet-talked her around to his way of thinking. That's what EDLois is learning - fame and nothing els.e

Honey45

10-04-2007, 08:17 PM

xaosthry

10-04-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething

I just want to also say that I loved that Chloe stood up for The Daily Planet's standards and what it represented to the guy who wanted to change it just to sell papers.
That was really great to see.
Makes me cheer for Chloe even more than I already do.

Oh, yes. Almost forgot about that part. The look she shot him when he said that was old and lame. Classic.

Originally posted by OliviaB
Hardly. Pretty much sets Chloe up as the underdog while EDLois gets everything handed to her and more importantly, didn't even want to be at the DP in the first place. She just wants the fame Grant promised her when he sweet-talked her around to his way of thinking. That's what EDLois is learning - fame and nothing els.e

This is true. Lois don't seem to after the truth. Anytime she goes after a story its for revenge or something lame. Maybe, sitting next to Chloe a little bit of the "search for truth" will rub off. Lois is just starting in this, with time hopefully we will get to see the real Lois Lane.

chunkeymonkey1981

10-04-2007, 08:21 PM

This ep did two major things (well maybe 3)

Explained the Lana clone shenanigans.

Introduced Kara.

Set up an OBVIOUS rivalry between Nois and Chloe. Chloe sides for truth and justice, while Nois is on the side of sensationalism and tabloidism. Nois gets handed another undeserved job while Chloe had to work hard. Grant was a jerk and we are not supposed to like him and therefore not like Nois and the way she entered the DP.

He's either a Lex minion or working somehow to get Chloe's butt back into gear for a more noble(?) reason....but either way I can only forsee good things for Chloe. This was soo over the top--setting Chloe up as the underdog to root for--that is has to mean only good things for her.

AndiGirl

10-04-2007, 08:22 PM

I was very disappointed to see Chloe slipping in this episode. I guess it's understandable...but I hope she gets her "mojo" back soon. I'm sorry...but it seemed like the only reason he hired Lois was to get in her pants. Sorry to put it so blunty....but he was just rude to Chloe, like she wasnt even there. If Chloe had been the one to metion aliens he would have called her crazy...but he's obviously into Lois, and saying what he thinks she wants to hear. Granted....we all know Lois will become an amazing reporter one day...but it's a little disappointing that she's going to get her foot in the door because the new editor has the hots for her.

xrayvision

10-04-2007, 08:26 PM

If they're smart, they should have Chloe make a choice between journalism and helping people with her ability. Clark should be the only person they should have who is able to pull off the journalist/superhero thing. Though, they kinda did this with the Angel of Vengeance. But it didn't last with her.

Originally posted by chunkeymonkey1981
This ep did two major things (well maybe 3)

Explained the Lana clone shenanigans.

Introduced Kara.

Set up an OBVIOUS rivalry between Nois and Chloe. Chloe sides for truth and justice, while Nois is on the side of sensationalism and tabloidism. Nois gets handed another undeserved job while Chloe had to work hard. Grant was a jerk and we are not supposed to like him and therefore not like Nois and the way she entered the DP.

He's either a Lex minion or working somehow to get Chloe's butt back into gear for a more noble(?) reason....but either way I can only forsee good things for Chloe. This was soo over the top--setting Chloe up as the underdog to root for--that is has to mean only good things for her.

Who's Nois? Don't you mean Lois?

I think Lois should be made to prove herself, but he is right in that Chloe's friendship with Clark has negatively impacted her journalism career. Doing all that research and not writing stories to protect Clark's identity comes at the expense of her career. She can't have it both ways. That's why in the early seasons she was such a great reporter (she didn't know the secret and wasn't holding back any of her stories). That is a noble way to have Chloe bow out of her reporter role.

harryandginnyfanatic

10-04-2007, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
Who's Nois? Don't you mean Lois?

It's a name the Anti EDlois Campaigners came up with to annoy the Lois fans.

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I was very disappointed to see Chloe slipping in this episode. I guess it's understandable...but I hope she gets her "mojo" back soon. I'm sorry...but it seemed like the only reason he hired Lois was to get in her pants. Sorry to put it so blunty....but he was just rude to Chloe, like she wasnt even there. If Chloe had been the one to metion aliens he would have called her crazy...but he's obviously into Lois, and saying what he thinks she wants to hear. Granted....we all know Lois will become an amazing reporter one day...but it's a little disappointing that she's going to get her foot in the door because the new editor has the hots for her.

I think you're reading too much into the 'made up' spoilers.

fxrsteve

10-04-2007, 08:36 PM

Lana is no longer the girl that Clark fell in love with. She is almost as ruthless as Lex

AndiGirl

10-04-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
xrayvision

It's a name the bashers came up with to annoy the Lois fans.

I think you're reading too much into the 'made up' spoilers.

What made up spoilers??? :confused:
I'm just going off of what I saw in the episode tonight.

Originally posted by fxrsteve
Lana is no longer the girl that Clark fell in love with. She is almost as ruthless as Lex

She is as ruthless as lex, in my opinion. She had her double jeopardy all worked out. But I guess thats expected....after marrying the guy. Poor Lana...I miss the nice Lana! :p

morrigan01

10-04-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by AndiGirl
If Chloe had been the one to metion aliens he would have called her crazy...but he's obviously into Lois, and saying what he thinks she wants to hear.

And you know all this how?

Good lord the bitter tears from Chloe fans is all I expected it to be after this episode. I like Chloe, but you guys really make it hard for me to sometimes. Just because Grant was "mean" to her? WTH?

It's been obvious for a long time that Chloe's passion has been diverted to helping Clark and being his side-kick, and not working trying to find scoops and stories to write about. But no, Grant was mean to "poor wittle Chloe" and therefore he is evil and only trying to get in Lois' pants because she obviously has no writing talent (even though her Green Arrow articles were hugely popular) and he was just saying that to get into her pants. Of course, it all obviously makes sense now.

*huge eyeroll*

fxrsteve

10-04-2007, 08:45 PM

In both episodes there has been mention of "flying" and why Clark can't. I'm thinking by the end of the season he is going to be flying around.

Originally posted by morrigan01
And you know this how?

Good lord the bitter tears from Chloe fans is all I expected it to be after this episode. I like Chloe, but you guys really make it hard for me to sometimes. Just because Grant was "mean" to her? WTH?

It's been obvious for a long time that Chloe's passion has been diverted to helping Clark and being his side-kick, and not working trying to find scoops and stories to write about. But no, Grant was mean to "poor wittle Chloe" and therefore he is evil and only trying to get in Lois' pants because she obviously has no writing talent (even though her Green Arrow articles were hugely popular) and he was just saying that to get into her pants. Of course, it all obviously makes sense now.

*huge eyeroll*

Thats what I was going to say... :lol:

harryandginnyfanatic

10-04-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by AndiGirl
What made up spoilers??? :confused:
I'm just going off of what I saw in the episode tonight.

Okay, then why didn't he sugar code everything he said or try to sweet talk her instead of giving it to her straight what he thought about her and her article.

He hired her because of the story.

sprmansmyhero

10-04-2007, 08:57 PM

It totally makes sense that Chloe's writing has gone downhill since highschool because now she knows about Clark. She doesn't go digging into the unexplained anymore because she doesn't want to write a story that could expose Clark. Lois doesn't know. Thats why she has the passion etc. I just hope Chloe can find her passion somewhere else.

Skywalker

10-04-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by chunkeymonkey1981
Set up an OBVIOUS rivalry between Nois and Chloe. Chloe sides for truth and justice, while Nois is on the side of sensationalism and tabloidism. Nois gets handed another undeserved job while Chloe had to work hard. Grant was a jerk and we are not supposed to like him and therefore not like Nois and the way she entered the DP.

Edit In this case, we have Grant Gabriel aka Perry White-Lite. God forbid a BOSS ACTUALLY DOING HIS JOB. But of course, he criticized Chloe on her work and overall focus, so of course he's immediately labeled a douche bag or a jerk, and couldnt possibly be RIGHT.

Not only that, but of course:

"OMGzzz he's nothing more than a tabloid editor for believing Lois' spaceship story...blah blah blah"

God forbid a Journalist suspecting a potential NEWS story that is out-of-the-ordinary in *gasp* SMALLVILLE of all places. :rolleyes:

And of course Chloe spends hours upon hours slaving over her stories for her job, while Lois just gets everything handed to her. Edit Not to mention "omgzzzz chloe could have written so many freakin stories but couldnt cuz it involves Clark.... blah blah blah".

Reality Check - The only reason she even knew about any of those instances is because she knew Clark's secret in the first place. And Lois being the one getting things handed to her on a silver platter? How about getting to sit back and let Clark do all the legwork, while she gets to sit back and write it up after getting a full in depth recap/summary of the day's events from our favorite BDA. And thats not always the case, dont get me wrong, Chloe is definitley capable, and has shown herself able to do her own invesitagative workEdit

But of course it all comes down to them knowing what the "real, iconic, Lois Lane" represents right? Same people who believe this incarnation of the character would actually sleep with her boss to get a job at the Daily Planet. Its LOIS freaking LANE we're talking about!

Edit
I want supportive S5 Chloe back.

[/RANT OVER]

xrayvision

10-04-2007, 09:22 PM

^^Good post. If Lois will be writing about Superman (a known alien) in her later life, they should show where her articles about aliens started.

AndiGirl

10-04-2007, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Okay, then why didn't he sugar code everything he said or try to sweet talk her instead of giving it to her straight what he thought about her and her article.

He hired her because of the story.

I would normally think that too...if he didn't completely contradict himself through the entire episode. Take the last scene for instance...he says "wow...this is crazy" (or something along those lines) and when Chloe tries to defend Lois he goes on to say how wonderful Lois's article is...Then Lois asks if he is going to run it and he says something along the lines of "Oh...No, we cant run this garbage, it's horrible." I don't know...the fact that he seems to ignore Chloe all together...and give his undivided attention to Lois....I think he can tell Lois is the straight forward kind of girl. She doesnt play games...and his cockiness and forwardness is probably going to be what wins her over.

xrayvision

10-04-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Skywalker
What happened to supportive S5 Chloe?

I don't think she's really been supportive since season 4. In season 5, she was pretty much thinking and doing all the investigating for Clark. I loved her character before that. They had to tear Clark down to build her up, and I am against tearing down Clark no matter who the character is.

jazel

10-04-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
She even told Clark that the new editor is breathing down her neck saying she can't help him right now... so that's a thought...

Funny... Chloe found reports of poor am/fm frequencies and that tied into Kara's Ship... maybe Chloe still has it? lol
or maybe NOT !
how about the pics, Lois got ?:p

newfamfan

10-04-2007, 09:27 PM

One problem I have is why diss Chloe to make Lois look good. There was nothing that should have been said to do that.

And to top that it was an insult to act like someone that actually works hard isn't as good as someone that falls into a job.

Grant mentions Chloe going to Met U classes like it is a thing of shame. Yet. Lois Lane drops into a job without a higher education and a questionable high school one. This is what made me most upset with this episode. I guess being a teacher that wants to see students want to make more from their lives by attending college...things like this make me want to throw a brick through the television. I am no Chloiser either. But I do acknowledge that Chloe has worked hard while Lois has skated by. That's not insulting the ICONIC character. That is insulting how Smallville has written that character.

myankskent

10-04-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by jazel
or maybe NOT !
how about the pics, Lois got ?:p

Yup, those pics are what interested Grant. Her article itself wasn't great because she didn't have proof with her story, but he liked her attitude to go get the story. Lois will now have to prove that she can handle the big leagues and I look forward to seeing how she does.

freefall

10-04-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by newfamfan
One problem I have is why diss Chloe to make Lois look good. There was nothing that should have been said to do that.

And to top that it was an insult to act like someone that actually works hard isn't as good as someone that falls into a job.

And God forbid that an editor does his job by telling his reporters that they are slacking off by not looking for stories actively and just content with being assigned with filler stuff.

Originally posted by newfamfan
Grant mentions Chloe going to Met U classes like it is a thing of shame. Yet. Lois Lane drops into a job without a higher education and a questionable high school one. This is what made me most upset with this episode. I guess being a teacher that wants to see students want to make more from their lives by attending college...things like this make me want to throw a brick through the television. I am no Chloiser either. But I do acknowledge that Chloe has worked hard while Lois has skated by. That's not insulting the ICONIC character. That is insulting how Smallville has written that character.

Grant thinks Chloe taking night classes at Met U is a thing of shame, you know this how? Isn't it also possible that he was trying to make a point that Chloe should reorganize her life and sort her priorities if she really believes she should be this top reporter at a top newspaper?

Removal of edited post

Texas_Venom

10-04-2007, 09:47 PM

Edited post quote removed

WORD.

Major double standard when it comes to Chloe and Lois.

Really enjoyed tonights episode, hopefully the rest of the season is less about the rivalry and instead about both of them being successful reporters-working together.

Chiriru

10-04-2007, 09:52 PM

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eas

10-04-2007, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Skywalker
Edit In this case, we have Grant Gabriel aka Perry White-Lite. God forbid a BOSS ACTUALLY DOING HIS JOB. But of course, he criticized Chloe on her work and overall focus, so of course he's immediately labeled a douche bag or a jerk, and couldnt possibly be RIGHT.

Not only that, but of course:

"OMGzzz he's nothing more than a tabloid editor for believing Lois' spaceship story...blah blah blah"

God forbid a Journalist suspecting a potential NEWS story that is out-of-the-ordinary in *gasp* SMALLVILLE of all places. :rolleyes:

And of course Chloe spends hours upon hours slaving over her stories for her job, while Lois just gets everything handed to her. Edit Not to mention "omgzzzz chloe could have written so many freakin stories but couldnt cuz it involves Clark.... blah blah blah".

Reality Check - The only reason she even knew about any of those instances is because she knew Clark's secret in the first place.

[/RANT OVER]

I completely agree with you. One of the major things that leapt out at me about Grant was that he was doing his job. He was clearly brought into the Daily Planet to energize things up and to take the DP into the future. And he saw this story as an opportunity to do that. He saw someone, saw the passion in her, realized she was an aspiring journalist and decided to see if she would work out. And when he read her article, he was blown away by her writing. How does this make him a bad guy?He's just doing his job.

And, frankly, we have no canon evidence that what he said to Chloe wasn't true. In fact, all of season 6 supports what he said. Chloe has been, for quite awhile, so involved in Clark's life and being his assistant, it's pretty clear that being a journalist had taken a backseat. Furthermore, she finds out that she's a meteor freak. It's perfectly understandable that she'd be out of it after that.

I think that this could be good for Chloe's character, actually. Part of her evolution -- she needs this reality check to start getting her priorties straight. I do think, however, it's crazy that they threw in the line about the Met. U. courses. She takes these classes, works at the DP and does a 6 hour commute to and from Smallville everyday. Give me a break.

jazel

10-04-2007, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Yup, those pics are what interested Grant. Her article itself wasn't great because she didn't have proof with her story, but he liked her attitude to go get the story. Lois will now have to prove that she can handle the big leagues and I look forward to seeing how she does.
cool :)
some are so quick, to dismiss Lo, just because she shouldn't be there.:\
but from Devoted, got the feeling Lo, was seeing things, the "all knowing Chloe, didn't";)

Mello Penelo

10-04-2007, 10:01 PM

Chloe's been in the basement of the Daily Planet for two seasons now. WHY hasn't she gotten a promotion? She's a good enough writer (supposedly). She's always worked her butt off, but yet she's still in the basement.

I know the news media well enough to know if you're a good writer, you're not going to stagnate writing classifieds unless you make it a point not to stand out. That's not the Chloe we've always known.

I think Grant is right. She has lost her spark. She's been down there writing classifieds, fluff and filler for two seasons and hasn't budged. She's had no character growth and now has a massive setback with this stupid power.

Of course she needs to find herself again. She's going to move up now that Grant's lit a fire under her ass.

jazel

10-04-2007, 10:03 PM

hasn't Chloe been answering calls, for the Pets Obit section ?:(

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 10:04 PM

Oh yeah I also liked the part of the ep when Lois said "I am no Chloe Sullivan and never will be."

As if Chloe's all that much more than LOIS LANE?....huh...rotfl:

eas

10-04-2007, 10:06 PM

^^ I don't know, but I think Lois was trying to be nice. She clearly loves her cousin very much. I don't see how that's a bad thing and don't understand why people would be mad at her for it. I respect that about Lois -- her love and fierce loyalty towards her cousin. In that respect, yes, I think Lois Lane is much better than Chloe Sullivan. Chloe has not shown herself to be capable of being that way towards anyone other than Clark. And even that was after she found out his secret.

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by eas
Chloe would sell out her own mother if it helped her in some way.

:eek: OH NUH UH!!!! Thats reallllly harsh! I thought Chloe seemed to really care about her mother in Progeny! :lol:

xrayvision

10-04-2007, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Chloe's been in the basement of the Daily Planet for two seasons now. WHY hasn't she gotten a promotion? She's a good enough writer (supposedly). She's always worked her butt off, but yet she's still in the basement.

Grant said why she hasn't gotten one. She chose to be Clark's closest friend and keep his secrets, meaning she had to sacrifice stories that would have gotten her promoted. Before she knew the secret, she was able to write stories like that without a 2nd thought. A great example is Rosetta with those symbols burnt into the Kent barn. She took photos of them and published an article in the Torch, which got all the way to Dr. Swann. Had Chloe known the secret back then, she would have never published that article.

kiariclois

10-04-2007, 10:14 PM

Being too passionate about something doesn't mean that one will be great at that... There should be flaws... Chloe being told off is something I wanna see for a long time... Although, I hope it'll not happen again... sort of... LOL...

eas

10-04-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
:eek: OH NUH UH!!!! Thats reallllly harsh! I thought Chloe seemed to really care about her mother in Progeny! :lol:

Yes, it was. That's why I went back and took it out. (You quoted before I could remove it.) Yes, Chloe cared about her mother in "Progeny". And I remember being surprised at how much she did. Where's Gabe again? Do we even get a mention of him? Does Chloe have any life outside of Clark? No... not really. And the way she treated Jimmy and Lois all of last season? She was terrible.

To me, this plot with Grant/Lois/Chloe makes perfect sense given the way Chloe behaved last season. Chloe has, repeatedly, put her own dreams and aspirations on hold to be Clark's assistant. That's what SV canon shows us. So, frankly, I see Grant going along with SV canon in regards to Chloe's character. I think that Chloe can easily take his critisicm and use it to push herself to become the great reporter she was back in high school.

Let's face it: no one can just rest on their laurels. In a competative field like journalism, you're only as good as your last story. Just because Chloe came into the DP with this 'future star reporter' aura doesn't mean that she necessarily lived up to her own hype or that she's managed to get herself to that point. That's clearly what Grant was saying. That Chloe WAS good... and now she's not. And he thinks she's still got hope. So, Chloe should take that faith he still has in her and prove him right.

morrigan01

10-04-2007, 10:30 PM

Well, I can guess my last post is about to get edited, even though it *does* talk about Chloe and the points and arguments being made about her in the episode. And no one appears to be editing posts pertaining to Lois and the implication being made that the only thing Grant wanted out of her was to get into her pants and not because he thinks she has writing talent - which he said directly to her in the episode itself by praising her writing style, while there was zero hint that he was attracted to Lois physically.

But whatev'.

Seriously, after watching the episode I'm left wondering if I saw the same episode as some people because I saw ZERO flirting on Grant's part towards Lois. That guy is all about his job and shaking things up and being Top Editor Banana. He's annoying, but in a way I bet a young J. Jonah Jameson (of Spiderman) would be. If anything, I think he sees Lois as having an investigative passion and drive that will help not only the DP sell more papers but help *him* move up the cooperate ladder too, if he can.

That's the kind of passion that Grant pretty much said that Chloe *used* to have in HS. He said directly that Chloe *had* it but lost it after HS. Frankly, Grant's doing her a favor by pointing this out, or Chloe probably at this point would be content to stay in the basement, writing filler stories and playing Clark's Girl Friday sidekick for the rest of her life.

Seriously, since mid-season five I haven't seen Chloe really trying to work the beat, get out there and actually *get* a hot story - and I'm sure there are many stories out there, not just ones related to Clark that she actually can write about and publish. But a real reporter goes out and looks for them - not just sit around and wait for them to be assigned to her.

Meanwhile, Lois was out there, finding things, leading her to writing about the Green Arrow and eventually comming to the 33.1 story on her own. Yes, she had an advantage in that she doesn't know Clark's secret, but Lois in the comics seems to know the secret of writing about her husband as Superman and not giving away anything about who he really is. So I'm sure in some situations Chloe could have probably done something similar.

Anyway, IMO Grant's in no way crapping on Chloe. Yeah he's slightly annoying and loud, but those aren't sins. Chloe worked to get *to* the DP, but she hasn't done much lately to distinguish herself now that she *there*. And that's all her own doing - and nothing to do with Grant being mean to her *or* trying to get into her cousin's pants - the latter of which has absolutely no basis in fact at the present time.

Originally posted by eas
^^ I don't know, but I think Lois was trying to be nice. She clearly loves her cousin very much. I don't see how that's a bad thing and don't understand why people would be mad at her for it. I respect that about Lois -- her love and fierce loyalty towards her cousin. In that respect, yes, I think Lois Lane is much better than Chloe Sullivan. Chloe has not shown herself to be capable of being that way towards anyone other than Clark. And even that was after she found out his secret.

That's the thing about Lois - in any Superman incarnation: when she's loyal to someone, she's fiercely loyal. The woman is ruthless not only in her hates, but her loves as well.

And it's been obvious since Crusade in season 4 that Lois loves and is fierce in her loyalty to Chloe.

It's the main reason why the Chloe-is-Lois theory (which I hate bringing up, but) has always bothered me. Lois Lane would *never* have made that deal with Lionel Luthor that Chloe did in season three, just because Clark rejected her. Lois would have said "his loss" and moved on (which we saw in "Crimson").

freefall

10-04-2007, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by eas
Let's face it: no one can just rest on their laurels. In a competative field like journalism, you're only as good as your last story. Just because Chloe came into the DP with this 'future star reporter' aura doesn't mean that she necessarily lived up to her own hype or that she's managed to get herself to that point. That's clearly what Grant was saying. That Chloe WAS good... and now she's not. And he thinks she's still got hope. So, Chloe should take that faith he still has in her and prove him right.

And here are some people thinking that Grant is being a jerk and an evil plant of Lex's just because he said things that Chloe needs to hear about her journalism. :lol:

Originally posted by xrayvision
Grant said why she hasn't gotten one. She chose to be Clark's closest friend and keep his secrets, meaning she had to sacrifice stories that would have gotten her promoted. Before she knew the secret, she was able to write stories like that without a 2nd thought. A great example is Rosetta with those symbols burnt into the Kent barn. She took photos of them and published an article in the Torch, which got all the way to Dr. Swann. Had Chloe known the secret back then, she would have never published that article.

Actually the problem is not that she knows about Clark's secret that she couldn't write stories anymore. There have been plenty of stories that she should have written but didn't. Examples of this in S6 are like the murder of the girl in Wither or Lex's disappearance in Static or Lana's attempted murder in Noir or 33.1 in Justice, where she already has all the proof she needed but it's only in Progeny she started to write about it, why?

Chloe isn't able to separate her journalism with her sidekick duties, that's all. And though Grant doesn't know that, he still managed to hit the nail on the head because he's basically saying that Chloe should be able to sort out her priorities regarding journalism. Personal matters or problems shouldn't be an excuse.

Originally posted by morrigan01
Meanwhile, Lois was out there, finding things, leading her to writing about the Green Arrow and eventually comming to the 33.1 story on her own. Yes, she had an advantage in that she doesn't know Clark's secret, but Lois in the comics seems to know the secret of writing about her husband as Superman and not giving away anything about who he really is. So I'm sure in some situations Chloe could have probably done something similar.

Again, word. Lois doesn't let her personal life to get in the way of her looking out for stories actively. That's what makes all the difference? What, did Lois Lane suddenly become just a helpless little housewife and couldn't go out and search for stories anymore just because she knows about Clark's secret? It doesn't make sense, and the two doesn't even have anything to do with each other.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
And here are some people thinking that Grant is being a jerk and an evil plant of Lex's just because he said things that Chloe needs to hear about her journalism? :lol: I love it! I wish I could use this reasoning when my boss dishes out constructive criticism:

Me: "That settles it, you're an evil mole sent by Company X!"

Actually the problem is not that she knows about Clark's secret that she couldn't write stories anymore. It shouldn't be a problem eventually. Or else in the future there won't be a Clark Kent who can write news stories about his own alter ego, Superman.

The thing is at this point, Chloe needs to find a way to do both: to be an active news journalist and still be a dedicated friend to Clark. I think this is part of Chloe's arc this season

StrippedSmile

10-04-2007, 10:43 PM

K, I just watched the episode, and I think people have been making too big of a deal about Grant insulting Chloe. Although I'm pissed that he praised Lois like she was god and kicked Chloe down, there was some truth in it.

Hopefully when she gets over the whole "I've been dead for 10 minutes omgomg" [c'mone, who hasn't been dead for 10 minutes on Smallville? Gosh, get with the program], she'll refocus her priorities. Who knows, if she gets her 'mojo' back, maybe Clark will have to deal without his human google.

freefall

10-04-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
It shouldn't be a problem eventually. Or else in the future there won't be a Clark Kent who can write news stories about his own alter ego, Superman.

That's what I thought. And let's not forget Peter Parker bringing in pictures of Spiderman to his boss. :lol: These two cheating bastards should be burnt at the stake.

Originally posted by StrippedSmile
Who knows, if she gets her 'mojo' back, maybe Clark will have to deal without his human google.

I'd pay to see that. I mean, Clark had admitted that Chloe is smarter than both him and Kara combined. :lol: It's about time he steps up the plate.

Jory

10-04-2007, 10:47 PM

According to an interview with Allison (on the CW website) Chloe and Grant will go at it a lot, and for different reasons. One is that they have a differing views on what a newspaper should be, and the second is because Chloe's preoccupied with her power and Clark. Allison said Grant notices she's not focused on the DP and gets on her for it.

After seeing the episode myself,I didn't think it was too bad. This reminds me of a coach that knows a player of his has the ability to be great and is trying to get the best out of the player. Sometimes the person will say harsh things to draw out the best in someone. I think that's what Grant is doing, he knows Chloe is good/great (depending on your view of the character) so he's trying to get that back. If he really thought she sucked--IMO-- he would've fired her. He knew too much about her if he truly felt she was a "hack that wrote filler". Maybe I'm wrong,but I'm hoping TPTB have a better farwell for Allison/Chloe than this episode implied.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
That's what I thought. And let's not forget Peter Parker bringing in pictures of Spiderman to his boss. :lol: These two cheating bastards should be burnt at the stake. I know! Their "journalistic integrity' is shot to hell! And they dare call themselves "heroes" :lol:

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by StrippedSmile

Hopefully when she gets over the whole "I've been dead for 10 minutes omgomg" [c'mone, who hasn't been dead for 10 minutes on Smallville? Gosh, get with the program], she'll refocus her priorities. Who knows, if she gets her 'mojo' back, maybe Clark will have to deal without his human google.

Ok... um... I was dead for 10 minutes and it took me about a month to get over that... it's weird to know that you died and came back... *shivers*

StrippedSmile

10-04-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Ok... um... I was dead for 10 minutes and it took me about a month to get over that... it's weird to know that you died and came back... *shivers*

...
Bring down my good mood, will you? I was joking. :\

LanaandPete

10-04-2007, 11:39 PM

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by LanaandPete
Pete and Martha are still alive, you know. Apparently they don't count :lol:

Lunar

10-05-2007, 12:17 AM

I think Chloe shows a lot of integrity. It has been shown how much she values the truth. People mention that she could have written about a lot of stories and could have left Clark out of them. With Chloe and her love of the truth, I'm not sure if she could live with printing a story that she knows isn't 100% truthful. She has her own morals and ethics she is playing by. She may not be putting out a lot of stories but I think she is becoming a good journalist. Too many media professionals this day in age sell out to sell papers or push agendas. Chloe is a breath of fresh air to the media world... if she can get herself to a higher position.

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Lunar
I think Chloe shows a lot of integrity. It has been shown how much she values the truth. People mention that she could have written about a lot of stories and could have left Clark out of them. With Chloe and her love of the truth, I'm not sure if she could live with printing a story that she knows isn't 100% truthful. She has her own morals and ethics she is playing by. She may not be putting out a lot of stories but I think she is becoming a good journalist. Too many media professionals this day in age sell out to sell papers or push agendas. Chloe is a breath of fresh air to the media world... if she can get herself to a higher position. And to repeat a previous post, wouldn't this make the future Clark Kent a charlattan of the highest order because Clark would print articles about his alter ego Superman, while conveniently leaving out the fact that he is Superman (and conversely he's pretending/lying to the public at large that he is not Superman, he's really Clark kent, news reporter)?

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
And to repeat a previous post, wouldn't this make the future Clark Kent a charlattan of the highest order because Clark would print articles about his alter ego Superman, while conveniently leaving out the fact that he is Superman (and conversely he's pretending/lying to the public at large that he is not Superman, he's really Clark kent, news reporter)?

And not just Clark, but Lois too - because she writes about Superman, and she's *married* to him - which no one knows of course.

Heck, she and Clark both sometimes write stories about the whole damn Justice League and they both pretty much know *all* of their secret identities.

OliviaB

10-05-2007, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Jory
According to an interview with Allison (on the CW website) Chloe and Grant will go at it a lot, and for different reasons. One is that they have a differing views on what a newspaper should be, and the second is because Chloe's preoccupied with her power and Clark. Allison said Grant notices she's not focused on the DP and gets on her for it.

After seeing the episode myself,I didn't think it was too bad. This reminds me of a coach that knows a player of his has the ability to be great and is trying to get the best out of the player. Sometimes the person will say harsh things to draw out the best in someone. I think that's what Grant is doing, he knows Chloe is good/great (depending on your view of the character) so he's trying to get that back. If he really thought she sucked--IMO-- he would've fired her. He knew too much about her if he truly felt she was a "hack that wrote filler". Maybe I'm wrong,but I'm hoping TPTB have a better farwell for Allison/Chloe than this episode implied.

To use your anaology - why would you think that Chloe has given up and this is a implied farewell? It spurs her on, according to AM - nothing about that implies a farewell.

freefall

10-05-2007, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01
And not just Clark, but Lois too - because she writes about Superman, and she's *married* to him - which no one knows of course.

Heck, she and Clark both sometimes write stories about the whole damn Justice League and they both pretty much know *all* of their secret identities.

The double standards around here shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. Only Saint Chloe stands up for "truth, justice and integrity", and at the same time people conveniently forget that the reason why she managed to get into the DP at all in the first place is due to her betrayal towards a friend.

Jory

10-05-2007, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by OliviaB
To use your anaology - why would you think that Chloe has given up and this is a implied farewell? It spurs her on, according to AM - nothing about that implies a farewell.

I meant that, if this is Allison's last season as Chloe, I hope her character isn't going to be crapped on. I hope that TPTB don't turn her evil, have her just give up etc.

puppiesnkittens

10-05-2007, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
The double standards around here shouldn't surprise anyone anymore. Only Saint Chloe stands up for "truth, justice and integrity", and at the same time people conveniently forget that the reason why she managed to get into the DP at all in the first place is due to her betrayal towards a friend.

Ahem, I couldn't agree with you more. I do not understand why fans literally deify Chloe so others will look bad. She has made plenty of mistakes. She is human...or is she??? ;)

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01
And not just Clark, but Lois too - because she writes about Superman, and she's *married* to him - which no one knows of course.

Heck, she and Clark both sometimes write stories about the whole damn Justice League and they both pretty much know *all* of their secret identities. And don't forget Peter Parker, too would be considered a cheat because he just takes a picture of himself and, voila! Instant front page photo of Spiderman! :lol: Peter has it so easy :lol: :rolleyes:

*thanks to seacrystal for remembering Peter Parker and his "cheatin' ways" :lol:

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
Ahem, I couldn't agree with you more. I do not understand why fans literally deify Chloe so others will look bad. She has made plenty of mistakes. She is human...or is she??? ;)

Sad thing is - I like Chloe. I really do. It's just her fans who feel they have to beat down not only Lois but anyone else who they see as being "mean" to her like Grant that makes me not *want* to like her.

Real, well written characters have flaws, and Chloe has hers. We saw some of them in this episode, with Grant pointing out something a lot of people who *are* Chloe fans have been pointing out since last season.

puppiesnkittens

10-05-2007, 01:21 AM

^^ I like Chloe too. Heck the main reasons I watched last season were Lois, Chloe & Lionel. I just have never liked a character so much that I am blind to their flaws. And I would not put down everyone else to prop them up.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by CountryGirl84
I'm kind of unhappy with the direction they have taken Chloe. She's been reduced to a meteor freak who has lost her spark for journalism. She's also no longer the only secret keeper now that Lana's not dead. I feel like she's almost being written off the show...

I think this is an oversimplification.

A lot of what the editor said to Lois could apply to Chloe. She didn't lose her fire as the editor implies... that's all he could see on paper. She redirected her fire big time at the beginning of Season 5, when she found out about Clark's secret. Yes she was still passionate about Journalism, but she divided her time between that and helping Clark.

Then in season 6 she became a full on Sidekick and Oracle for the proto Justice League. Her fire has recently been doused by finding out she's meteor infected AND by Lex's threats. Chloe just has some decisions to make. Is she going to make history or document it?

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by ginnyfan
[quote]Is she going to make history or document it? Oohhhh, nice tagline!

Last season I was thinking that Chloe would have more time for Journalism because with Lana knowing the secret as well, some pressure would be lifted off Chloe and she has more time to pursue other interests and responsibilities.

freefall

10-05-2007, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
And don't forget Peter Parker, too would be considered a cheat because he just takes a picture of himself and, voila! Instant front page photo of Spiderman! :lol: Peter has it so easy :lol: :rolleyes:

*thanks to seacrystal for remembering Peter Parker and his "cheatin' ways" :lol:

If there any reporter characters who should have been damned to hell and back because they "cheated", then Clark and Peter should be the first to face the firing squad.

And how dare Perry hired Clark in STM and told Lois he's a "good reporter", where are his years of high school experience and previous DP internships to speak for him? And how dare Clark use his superspeed and made Perry think he's the "fastest typist" he has ever seen? :rolleyes:

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
If there any reporter characters who should have been damned to hell and back because they "cheated", then Clark and Peter should be the first to face the firing squad.

And how dare Perry hired Clark in STM and told Lois he's a "good reporter", where are his years of high school experience and previous DP internships to speak for him? And how dare Clark use his superspeed and made Perry think he's the "fastest typist" he has ever seen? :rolleyes:

Hehe! And, in the original Superman Reboot (after Crisis on Infinite Earths) Clark originally *got* his job at the DP by out-scooping Lois with the first ever full story about -- Superman! :rotfl: He got his job by writing an exclusive story about *himself*. :lol:

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 01:36 AM

Yeah I was wondering about that dynamic too: Chloe/Clark/Lana. I don't know. Maybe I'd rather see that than some bizarro Lana clone... I'll have to wait an see though... LOL!

Lana could free Chloe up but... I don't know how much. Chloe does a lot of WORK for Clark not just friend support. As his girlfriend and knowing his secret, Lana could be supportive and lend a listening ear... but she can't do all the computer stuff that Chloe does. So... It will be interesting to see how it develops.

Chloe's going to have to make some choices that's for sure. Maybe Supergirl and MM can help Clark fight aliens and that would free Chloe up some.

Also, I think one big drive for Chloe was her 33.1 fascination. Now that that's gone and changing... I'd like to see how it changes her goals. It's all so interesting. I think Chloe's story arc this season might be one of the best she's ever had.

Serynarpc

10-05-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Deconstruction of Chloe's character? :lol: No. It's called 'setting her up to be the underdog'.

Who do you root for?

The one who gets things handed to them on a silver platter w/o having to earn it...

OR

The one who constantly gets kicked in the teeth, insulted, works hard and is shown to be talented and smart...

Tough decision. :p

I agree. Even relationship -wise I always favored Chlark over Clana because Clark was always obsessed with Lana. All Lana had to do was show the slightest interest and - bam! Clana.

Chlark is like getting a spoonful of sugar in a Coffee cup the size of Montana. They give us enough to hope and then Lana obsession breaks it all up again.

Personally, I watch for the Chloe. If she gets written out, I know that I'll lose interest and fast forward through yet another obsession with Lana storyline.

CallMeClark

10-05-2007, 04:39 AM

I knew this discussion would come up after I saw the episode. And I knew Chloe fans wouldn't be happy with a lot of this episode. :( I am a HUGE Chloe-fan, and I really don't think her character is losing anything. I mean, right now they are focusing on Kara, only because she is new. Chloe will have a character-centric episode soon ("Cure"). And she won't be taking a backseat. I think that Clark has immense trust in her and she will continue to play a role. Especially since Kara and Clark have a 'falling out' later this season, causing Kara to leave Smallville (Spoiler from E!'s Kristin).

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 05:10 AM

tbh, i don't get the Chloe bashers. They keep repeating how Chloe's "lost" her spark and how Grant Gabriel is right about everything. Um, hello have you been watching this show for the past 2 seasons? 33.1, Justice League, getting the BDA out of jams, etc etc....

Chloe's been up to tons of stuff, she's just not a backstabbing liar so she doesn't betray her friends and write stories that would ruin their lives (especially Clark's).

Chloe HAS to be against stories like the spaceship crap in this episode, otherwise it could compromise Clark's secret. Some jerk had the nerve to say this makes her a "bad" journalist. I must have missed that part of the Journalist's Code where it said "thou must betray thine friend's secrets or thou shalt be a bad reporter."

:rolleyes: Come on people, think realistically, seems a little biased to me to brand Chloe "bad" in any way at journalism because she has a friend with a secret that she doesn't publish. If you can't see that, I'm glad I'm not your friend with a secret.

Chloe's been through a lot recently, and personally I find saving the world/thwarting Lex Luthor a liiiitle more important than some old newspaper.

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On the subject of the episode though, my initial raction was the same as a lot of y'alls, I was pissed at the editor and how moronic he was being. I really don't see someone like that being the editor of the "most powerful newspaper in the world." If you go and print crap about spaceships every time some broad brings you some words and a picture, you're not gonna have much credibility for long. They must have gotten this guy from the Inquisitor across the street. Oh, and if he keeps trying to print stories like Lois's, the Inquisitor WILL be their competition. lol.

But all that aside, they do seem to be setting up a nice "underdog" story here. It wouldn't be that interesting tbh if Chloe just sort of got promoted normally or something in the DP, there's no hook, no suspense. It's not good writing to have everything handed to your character's, they have to work for it.

And am I the only one smelling a Chloe breakdown coming soon? Her whole world is crashing down around her, and who's gonna be there to kiss her back out of despair? Mr. BDA, that's who! :D

smallvilleobsessor17

10-05-2007, 05:18 AM

freefall

10-05-2007, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Chloe's been up to tons of stuff, she's just not a backstabbing liar so she doesn't betray her friends and write stories that would ruin their lives (especially Clark's).

Chloe HAS to be against stories like the spaceship crap in this episode, otherwise it could compromise Clark's secret. Some jerk had the nerve to say this makes her a "bad" journalist. I must have missed that part of the Journalist's Code where it said "thou must betray thine friend's secrets or thou shalt be a bad reporter."

:rolleyes: Come on people, think realistically, seems a little biased to me to brand Chloe "bad" in any way at journalism because she has a friend with a secret that she doesn't publish. If you can't see that, I'm glad I'm not your friend with a secret.

Look who's talking about betraying a friend. I just love how people always conveniently forget that it's Chloe who had betrayed her friend just so she could have a column she didn't deserve in the first place. It's also due to this betrayal that she got that chance meeting with Kahn. And when Lionel finally got her fired, what was the first thing she lamented to Pete? It was about "Oh my dream had been ripped apart" instead of saying that she didn't deserve it in the first place anyway, not even a mention of regret that she has betrayed Clark.

So spare me the lecture about a person's honesty and integrity or how would one want their daughter to grow up by bringing up Chloe as an example.

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Chloe's been through a lot recently, and personally I find saving the world/thwarting Lex Luthor a liiiitle more important than some old newspaper.

So it simply goes to show that she was way over in her head in thinking that just because she's the greatest sidekick ever and Clark's human google, she could put her journalism in the backburner, be content with being assigned with parking meters and pigeon population stories and still sees herself as the DP star reporter.

jimmyolsenblues

10-05-2007, 06:44 AM

jazel

10-05-2007, 06:53 AM

it's too early in the season, to jump to conclusions, plus Chloe is 4th in the opening credits.:D
Chloe's like a kitty, she'll land on her feet, she always does ;)

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 06:55 AM

I feel like she's almost being written off the show... The same can be said about Clark. :lol:

Kidding aside, I think that's an overreaction.

samanta

10-05-2007, 07:00 AM

myankskent

10-05-2007, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01

Real, well written characters have flaws, and Chloe has hers. We saw some of them in this episode, with Grant pointing out something a lot of people who *are* Chloe fans have been pointing out since last season.

Exactly. The fact that TPTB are now acknowledging something that many fans have seen in the last two seasons speaks volumes, IMO. Just to repeat, I think that Chloe is a very loyal friend to Clark, these days at least. She deserves a lot of credit for being there for him all of the time, BUT....there's a price that needs to be paid for that and as a result of Chloe's decisions, she neglected her journalism. If anything, this has only made Chloe a more realistic character. I think it's a joke that she could work long DP hours, take classes at night and help Clark out all of the time. I mean, there's only so many hours in the day but I can look past all of that if TPTB are going to create a situation where Chloe is not some machine who can do things that Superman would have a hard time doing. One more thing, Chloe is not being written off of the show. I think that TPTB have actually found a way for her to be something more than a plot device for Clark by opening up these doors to Chloe's character and showing her more as a person rather than a machine. JMHO.

Joelito

10-05-2007, 07:45 AM

Well...I agree something...Chloe is not longer old the pretty little gil anymore :(

shadow4486

10-05-2007, 07:47 AM

Preface: I hardly read anyone else's posts so if I repeat...forgive.

I AM BEYOND PISSED!!!!

WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO MY CHLOE? I know that Lois become s who she is eventually but why are you sacrificing one of the best things about this show! The look on Chloe's face when Gabriel A**hole comes in with his $300 dollar suits and his 12 year old face and tells her she is a talentless hack who has lost her passion. Bull****!

I DON'T LIKE IT! AND I DON'T LIKE HIM!

THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO GET LOIS TO WHERE SHE WILL BE EVENTUALLY WITHOUT TURNING CHLOE INTO A LAME DUCK!

Get it together, Smallville! Or this will be the last season, whether they want it to be or not.

samanta

10-05-2007, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
Exactly. The fact that TPTB are now acknowledging something that many fans have seen in the last two seasons speaks volumes, IMO. One thing is thinking about it, other thing is having it confirmed.
It makes me sad. Chloe was reporter since since Pilot and now she has just lost her spark? :(

ClarksGal

10-05-2007, 08:21 AM

Actually the problem is not that she knows about Clark's secret that she couldn't write stories anymore. There have been plenty of stories that she should have written but didn't. Examples of this in S6 are like the murder of the girl in Wither or Lex's disappearance in Static or Lana's attempted murder in Noir or 33.1 in Justice, where she already has all the proof she needed but it's only in Progeny she started to write about it, why?

Chloe isn't able to separate her journalism with her sidekick duties, that's all. And though Grant doesn't know that, he still managed to hit the nail on the head because he's basically saying that Chloe should be able to sort out her priorities regarding journalism. Personal matters or problems shouldn't be an excuse.

I agree with this to a point, but Chloe is in a pretty crappy situation. Before she knew about Clark, she would have been the first one going after the spaceship story. But she's trying to cover up the story despite Lois' persistance, because she knows what it's all about and doesnt' want it to get out. It's hard to investigate and expose when you're not able to tell the real story. That would make it a lot harder for me, personally, to be passionate if I'm not really digging for the truth.

Chloe is also distracted a bit by her meteor power issues, but I think in time these things will all be resolved. Chloe had a bad day. Juggling all the stuff she has going on is hard, and sometimes you'll have a bad day. Chloe's character is very spirited though, and I'm sure she'll figure it out. I"m glad they're giving her a little bit of turmoil right now because for awhile her only role seemed to be sidekick and there really wasn't anything else to her at all. Maybe now she can stop focusing on Clark and get her own life back.

Originally posted by morrigan01
And not just Clark, but Lois too - because she writes about Superman, and she's *married* to him - which no one knows of course. Heck, she and Clark both sometimes write stories about the whole damn Justice League and they both pretty much know *all* of their secret identities.

Talk about BIAS!!!! :)

MackLove

10-05-2007, 08:29 AM

I'm sure someone already said it, but I didn't read 197 posts, but I think that the "essence" of Chloe is in Lois now. With every tear that brings someone back to life, I bet she loses part of herself.

nickyjean_1

10-05-2007, 08:59 AM

I'll get through all of these soon I promise.. but ofcourse I have to through my 2 cents in..

First when Chloe was working for the Torch she never gave me the impression she wanted to be a sensational journalist really.. she wanted to protect people with her writing.. Maybe at the very beginning she reported every single thing she came across but eventually she didn't. She could have outed people all the time but there was no point bc people weren't in danger (now maybe this could have been a response of the fact that she started believing that clark was 'special'.) Basically we really don't know how many stories she could have written but didn't, but we do know there were many available to her.

Second, she does chose people over stories everytime. Not just clark but other people as well. She's protecting the entire justice league while Lois was always quite willing to unmask the Green Arrow for instance, chloe looked into his purpose before he even bothered to care. Why? Because he was a jewel thief and didn't really hurt anyone.

Next, I thought Chloe was basically told that if she wanted to stay at the DP, she did have to do the assignments she was told to do. I also thought that despite proof the DP's editor only wanted stories that were 'real' not vamps in the dorms or aliens or some such which is where chloe got the idea of what the DP's standards were. Basicly the changing of the guard is giving Chloe mixed messages and if this was the guy that was there when she first started she might have flurished instead of becoming the filler writer she is now. Her writing I believe was never really in question, maybe underdeveloped but not in question. It was her subject matter that was the major obsticle in getting her the job w/ the daily planet (excluding Lionel's influence).. She could have easily worked for the Inquistor but she wanted to be taken seriously.

Moving on from that.. I also think deep down she's going to realize she isn't a reporter so much as an investigator. She seeks out the truth becuase of her natural curiosity but publishes to protect people.

So I know the DP isn't the right place for her because she is a hero, just like a cop or a fireman. She wants to save people and stop evil and she doesn't like it when people are hurt. She doesn't need superpowers for that and never really has but if the PTB decide this is the only way to get her out of her hero worship for clark I'm all for it. I know many people say that she's clarks side kick but she really isn't. She isn't the robin to his batman. He goes to her when he's at a dead end which is more like the 'girl friday' but makes me feel she is more of a partner or informant then sidekick.

I really believe that her departure from the daily planet is going to revolve around her protecting the id of the jl and especially the GA. I figure (hope really) that her editor and even Lois discover her work on 33.1 and her communications to Oliver (using only his handle as Green Arrow for safety issues) and while Lois is hurt knowing the Chloe sat on this after she's been searching for the truth for so long, especially if Lois discovers it's Oliver and Chloe's been talking to him this whole time. Grant will be pissed that he could have been publishing all this but she's been sitting on it and give her the ultimatium of either getting published on her or some other reporters name or getting out of DP all together. I'm sure we know what choice she'll make.

I was really crushed at the blantant cruel irony of Grant's set down on Chloe. Maybe bc it was partly true, but mostly the just unfairness of it. Talk about handed to you on a 'silver platter'.

Then the obvious lead in that Lana and Chloe were best friends by lex. How Lana would have told Chloe everything if she told anyone? This I can't wait to play out. Becuase Lana is keeping things from everyone, even Clark. So that's a cold comfort really, but I do hope against hope that maybe Lana gave Chloe a glimmer of what she intended. But I won't hold my breath.

Of course the only thing that would make me truely happy is Chloe getting will Oliver and going out to save the world with the JL. but again, I'm a wishful thinker.

margroks

10-05-2007, 09:09 AM

Oh, com on. That is NOT how Chloe got into the DP in the first place. She got in as an intern ON HER OWN after fresham n year, beating out hundreds of other candidates. She was well qualified then. She did make a mistake in trying to get in under Lionel's aegis but she was still qualified to write having a background in journalisma nd being a reporter and editor in her own right. Furthermore, she got in under Kahn because Kahn, who represented real journalistic integrity, let her prove herself once again after which Kahan welcomes her into the fold.

This constant complaint, that CHloe cheated to get into the DP is simply and clearly false but it makes an appearance any time Chloe is made the clear contender for real journaistic integrity while EDLois si shown up for the no-talent tabloid hack she is. Even EDLois ADMITTED she couldn't do the job and that CHloe was the more talented and qualified for it although after Grant appealed to her vanity, because after all, empty vanity is really all EDLois has at this point since she is in no way qualified for the DP if she has trouble almost getting fired for incompetance (Combat) at the IQ, she droppped her concern for the girl who saved her life after she stupidly got hersel killed. like a hot potato.

It's never been clearer. Chloe IS the legitimate reporter who has earned her way into the DP and EDLois, who showed up with no exoperience, no portfolio and no intention of getting a job is handed a position anyway at the hands of the guy who disses her cousin.

There IS a tremendous double standard, althat's for sure, but it's that Chloe has worked hard for everything she's gotten, even worked at the column although it was the wrong way to get it, while EDLois has worked for nothing she's ever gotten at all. EDLois CHEATS her way into every thing. She does not do it the right way EVER, working hard for things as the real Lois Lane should be. The double standard is that she is given everything without earning them and gets a pass on that while Chloe earns everything and gets no respect for it. But this is the set-up that will change that in the end.

thehenry89

10-05-2007, 09:12 AM

^so basically this 700 word manifesto is nothing more then a circituitus way to bash Lois. gotcha.

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by MackLove
I'm sure someone already said it, but I didn't read 197 posts, but I think that the "essence" of Chloe is in Lois now. With every tear that brings someone back to life, I bet she loses part of herself.

No. Her power doesn't work like that.

Lois earned what she got because she's Lois Lane. There was no transference of essence.

samanta

10-05-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by thehenry89
^so basically this 700 word manifesto is nothing more then a circituitus way to bash Lois. gotcha. I would say there are some true points.
Actually I think both girls, Lois and Chloe, would make bad journalists in real world.
(I know many journalists, even few prize winners)

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
No. Her power doesn't work like that.

Lois earned what she got because she's Lois Lane. There was no transference of essence. We don't know how her power works.
AlMiles didn't think through how it will affect Lois character and her journalism path.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by shadow4486
Preface: I hardly read anyone else's posts so if I repeat...forgive.

I AM BEYOND PISSED!!!!

WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO MY CHLOE? I know that Lois become s who she is eventually but why are you sacrificing one of the best things about this show! The look on Chloe's face when Gabriel A**hole comes in with his $300 dollar suits and his 12 year old face and tells her she is a talentless hack who has lost her passion. Bull****!

I DON'T LIKE IT! AND I DON'T LIKE HIM!

THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO GET LOIS TO WHERE SHE WILL BE EVENTUALLY WITHOUT TURNING CHLOE INTO A LAME DUCK!

Get it together, Smallville! Or this will be the last season, whether they want it to be or not.

Um... that was just one (rude) editor's opinion... He likes Lois' passion and on paper Chloe seems like she's lost her fire. He put Lois and Chloe across from each other on instinct... trying partly I think to rile Chloe up and ressurect the editor of the Torch. Of course he doesn't know that Chloe's been putting a lot of her energy into saving the world with Clark and the proto Justice League so...

Gabriel's words are not the official stance of the show on Chloe. LOL!

Great post nickyjean_1

I think that Lois is sensitive to people in her stories as well. I don't think Lois had her job handed to her on a silver platter... I think the editor was very rude to Chloe also.

I like your musings about what Chloe's calling really is, and I think she could go in several directions. I'm eager to see what she chooses. I would be sad if she didn't choose Journalism. I'm hoping for a fun rivalry with Lois that will mean doom for the criminal element of Metropolis.

Considering how Chloe cried in Bizarro I doubt that Lana confided in her.

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
No. Her power doesn't work like that.

Lois earned what she got because she's Lois Lane. There was no transference of essence.

LOL!!!

I'm hoping that Chloe doesn't have to cry and die whenever she uses her power. Goofy...

ms.c.

10-05-2007, 10:32 AM

I felt awful for Chloe in this episode.

I was disgusted by how that editor was belittling Chloe's work. I hope this ignites a fire under Chloe to prove to everyone how amazing a reporter she is and why she is the one who deserves to rise to the top of the Daily Planet.

Her selfish cousin and that arrogant jerk editor can go to Hades.

I think Chloe shows a lot of integrity. It has been shown how much she values the truth. People mention that she could have written about a lot of stories and could have left Clark out of them. With Chloe and her love of the truth, I'm not sure if she could live with printing a story that she knows isn't 100% truthful. She has her own morals and ethics she is playing by. She may not be putting out a lot of stories but I think she is becoming a good journalist. Too many media professionals this day in age sell out to sell papers or push agendas. Chloe is a breath of fresh air to the media world... if she can get herself to a higher position.

Exactly. Chloe stands for integrity and truth in journalism. She has to be rewarded for this by moving to the top of the Daily Planet. I will be disgusted if this scumball editor gets his way and keeps Chloe down. Chloe is better than he is. I want to see her bring him down because there was something wrong with him. He was over the top against her for no reason. I hate the guy already.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 10:40 AM

I don't think Grant wants to keep Chloe down. I think he wants to sell papers, and he thinks Lois will write articles that will sell.

Chloe's comment about truth in journalism... she knew that Lois was telling the truth... so I think she was just astonished that she had an editor who believed in Aliens. LOL!

I also hope Chloe makes Grant eat his words.

BOUROUX

10-05-2007, 10:11 PM

IN A RECENT CW INTERVIEW OF ALLISON MACK. (PART 2)

Smavillian0: With Lois joining the Daily Planet, how will that affect Chloe?

AM: Lois joining the DP I think it affects Chloe in the facts that it sort of kicks her in the butt as far as refocusing her ambition on her actual career at the DP. I think that she's been very distracted in the last couple of years with Jimmy and mainly with Clark. So I think with having a little friendly competition and with Lois here egging her on, is really helping her to figure out where her priority lies and how she can get back into reporting and journalism as well as staying as a sidekick to Clark.

It's not a de-construction.
It's a new beginning.

Serynarpc

10-05-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by CallMeClark
I knew this discussion would come up after I saw the episode. And I knew Chloe fans wouldn't be happy with a lot of this episode. :( I am a HUGE Chloe-fan, and I really don't think her character is losing anything. I mean, right now they are focusing on Kara, only because she is new. Chloe will have a character-centric episode soon ("Cure"). And she won't be taking a backseat. I think that Clark has immense trust in her and she will continue to play a role. Especially since Kara and Clark have a 'falling out' later this season, causing Kara to leave Smallville (Spoiler from E!'s Kristin).

Please don't post spoilers. I don't want to know this stuff which is why I'm not in the spoiler forum!

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
tbh, i don't get the Chloe bashers. They keep repeating how Chloe's "lost" her spark and how Grant Gabriel is right about everything. Um, hello have you been watching this show for the past 2 seasons? 33.1, Justice League, getting the BDA out of jams, etc etc....

Chloe's been up to tons of stuff, she's just not a backstabbing liar so she doesn't betray her friends and write stories that would ruin their lives (especially Clark's).

Chloe HAS to be against stories like the spaceship crap in this episode, otherwise it could compromise Clark's secret. Some jerk had the nerve to say this makes her a "bad" journalist. I must have missed that part of the Journalist's Code where it said "thou must betray thine friend's secrets or thou shalt be a bad reporter."

:rolleyes: Come on people, think realistically, seems a little biased to me to brand Chloe "bad" in any way at journalism because she has a friend with a secret that she doesn't publish. If you can't see that, I'm glad I'm not your friend with a secret.

Chloe's been through a lot recently, and personally I find saving the world/thwarting Lex Luthor a liiiitle more important than some old newspaper.

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On the subject of the episode though, my initial raction was the same as a lot of y'alls, I was pissed at the editor and how moronic he was being. I really don't see someone like that being the editor of the "most powerful newspaper in the world." If you go and print crap about spaceships every time some broad brings you some words and a picture, you're not gonna have much credibility for long. They must have gotten this guy from the Inquisitor across the street. Oh, and if he keeps trying to print stories like Lois's, the Inquisitor WILL be their competition. lol.

But all that aside, they do seem to be setting up a nice "underdog" story here. It wouldn't be that interesting tbh if Chloe just sort of got promoted normally or something in the DP, there's no hook, no suspense. It's not good writing to have everything handed to your character's, they have to work for it.

And am I the only one smelling a Chloe breakdown coming soon? Her whole world is crashing down around her, and who's gonna be there to kiss her back out of despair? Mr. BDA, that's who! :D

I completely agree. 'Watchtower' kept the guys coordinated and saved Clark's life. Theres no way that you can consider Chloe a bad reporter because she considers her friends relationship.

Chloe has had to deal with her passion to journalism and her devotion to her friends in the past- she and Clark had a big fight about her investigation of him. Lana completely flipped out on Chloe in Hydro, believing that Chloe betrayed her trust. Even with Lana pushing the friend angle, Chloe defended Clark's secret.

Chloe has proven that while she wants to be a good reporter, she values her friends trust more.

That should NOT be a demerit in the pissant's eyes.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by ms.c.

Her selfish cousin and that arrogant jerk editor can go to Hades.

Yeah, sticking up for her cousin to Grant and trying to make Chloe feel better was *really* selfish.

Maybe if Lois is lucky she can get even more condescending comments and looks from Chloe the next time she sticks up for her cousin. :rolleyes:

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by BOUROUX
IN A RECENT CW INTERVIEW OF ALLISON MACK. (PART 2)

Smavillian0: With Lois joining the Daily Planet, how will that affect Chloe?

AM: Lois joining the DP I think it affects Chloe in the facts that it sort of kicks her in the butt as far as refocusing her ambition on her actual career at the DP. I think that she's been very distracted in the last couple of years with Jimmy and mainly with Clark. So I think with having a little friendly competition and with Lois here egging her on, is really helping her to figure out where her priority lies and how she can get back into reporting and journalism as well as staying as a sidekick to Clark.

It's not a de-construction.
It's a new beginning.

AM said she thinks that's what's going to happen. She doesn't actually know for sure.

In EDs interviews she gave it straight what Lois would be doing. AM is just speculating.

Atomic girl

10-06-2007, 03:30 AM

Just a few thoughts....

I always thought Chloe was writing stories that we just never heard about. She has been shown to write articles of her own choosing, hoping that they would be picked up and she has expressed disappointment for not getting the byline at times (Tomb). I guess I just figured that Chloe was still doing those things since nothing to the contrary has been offered up. And we know that Chloe was willing to write about Lex and 33.1 in Progeny, even though it might mean Lex becoming her worst enemy. So as far as losing that spark in writing, I have a hard time believing that.

I got the impresion that this "new" guy wants reporters that are more big story generators, but that is not what Chloe was hired to do, she was hired to do what her editors told her, and she must have done her job because she was still working there. Now if this guy wants to go a new direction he has every right to do so, but criticism of anyone's work in the open, even if warranted, is unprofessional and unbecoming. And if he's hoping to motivate his new colleagues/underlings with that attitude, guess again.

While Grant may not have flirted with Lois in the traditional sense, I really did get the feeling that he was flirting with her in the "can't be too obvious at work" sense. It's just a feeling, I could be wrong, but I did indeed feel it.

I think even though Lois and Chloe are related, he should have taken his comments for both of them into an office and discussed them there.

I didn't like the way she was treated in this episode, but it's Smallville and the next week's writers can treat her character very differently. (How many times did Clark and Lana break up again?) So I'm hoping that the treatment was an anomally, and next episode Chloe gets treated better.

jazel

10-06-2007, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Atomic girl

While Grant may not have flirted with Lois in the traditional sense, I really did get the feeling that he was flirting with her in the "can't be too obvious at work" sense. It's just a feeling, I could be wrong, but I did indeed feel it.

not to dismiss your "feeling", but I feel talk, speculation, and the spoilers discussed, cloud people's perception of what's actually happening in a scene.
I'm just relieved, you can speculate about sexual attraction, but I saw NONE.:)

Jory

10-06-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Atomic girl
Just a few thoughts....

I always thought Chloe was writing stories that we just never heard about. She has been shown to write articles of her own choosing, hoping that they would be picked up and she has expressed disappointment for not getting the byline at times (Tomb). I guess I just figured that Chloe was still doing those things since nothing to the contrary has been offered up. And we know that Chloe was willing to write about Lex and 33.1 in Progeny, even though it might mean Lex becoming her worst enemy. So as far as losing that spark in writing, I have a hard time believing that.

I got the impresion that this "new" guy wants reporters that are more big story generators, but that is not what Chloe was hired to do, she was hired to do what her editors told her, and she must have done her job because she was still working there. Now if this guy wants to go a new direction he has every right to do so, but criticism of anyone's work in the open, even if warranted, is unprofessional and unbecoming. And if he's hoping to motivate his new colleagues/underlings with that attitude, guess again.

While Grant may not have flirted with Lois in the traditional sense, I really did get the feeling that he was flirting with her in the "can't be too obvious at work" sense. It's just a feeling, I could be wrong, but I did indeed feel it.

I think even though lois and Chloe are related, he should have taken his comments for both of them into an office and discussed them there.

I didn't like the way she was treated in this episode, but it's Smallville and the next week's writers can treat her character very differently. (How many times did Clark and Lana break up again?) So I'm hoping that the treatment was an anomally, and next episode Chloe gets treated better.

According to an interview with Allison, Chloe and Grant go at it often. It sounds like they have differing views on what a newspaper should be about. Plus, allison says Chloe's preoccupied with her powers and Grant notices and gets on her about not focusing on the Daily Planet. Allison appeared to be very happy with this storyline. The interview is on the CW Source blog website.