ATTN: Missed Power... MIA?

[thebog1]

Hey...

Ok, there is one power that most people may have/seem to have forgotten that a Kryptonian ought to have...

Zod did not display it.
Kara has not displayed it (yet).
Eric (when he had Clark's power) did not display it.
Lex (before Zod overtook his body) did not display it.
Rya/Ria did not display it.
Bizarro did not display it.
The two Kryptonians that tried to throw Clark into the Phantom Zone did not display it.

There might be/probably are others who have possessed Kryptonian powers/genetics that I have failed to mention that have not displayed it...

So, what is this power and where did I see it at, in Smallville?

Kara, the Human Slave of Jor-El ...

You know, the one that tried to lead Clark into the hole of the cave at the end of Season 3...

What power was it...?

Well, she... consumed(?) a vehicle with an FBI Agent inside with her bare hand, in flame. That is probably not the proper terminology but, <shrug> sue me.

Anyways, if Jor-El himself, who was the scientist of the 'Red Sun' and its 'effects' on Kryptonians, gave this 'Kara' Kryptonian powers and among the arsenal was the ability to consume/destroy things/people by touch... it MUST be an ability they're supposed to have.

So... let's see it come back already!

[Mello Penelo]

That's a fake power. That was how you were supposed to know she wasn't a real Kryptonian.

[thebog1]

Jor-El gave the human Kara the power(s).

So, explain to me how it could be 'fake'. . . It makes absolutely no sense for Jor-El to grant her all the powers of a Kryptonian - even flying, if my memory serves me correctly, and yet give her a power that is real but non-Kryptonian...

Sorry, but I'm rejecting the idea of it being a 'fake' power as... well, stupid.

Edit: By the way, the only way we discovered that she wasn't a true Kryptonian was because Jonathan Kent had Chloe run Human-Kara's fingerprints. Remove that tidbit and we would have never known she wasn't a true Kryptonian.

[Mello Penelo]

It was a dead giveaway she wasn't a Kryptonian when she vaporized that car. It isn't a power Kryptonians possess. Jonathan just confirmed it.

Why he gave it to her? Probably bad writing. It was stupid for her to do it.

But you know what? The power is bunk and I pray we NEVER see it again.

[thebog1]

A dead give-away that the scientist Kryptonian, who studied (perhaps more so than any other Kryptonian or human, for that matter) the 'Red Sun' and how it effects Kryptonians, hence being a reason why he sent Clark there, grants Kryptonian powers to someone and made a mistake in the process?

Mmmhmm. You're saying the man that knew the most about the powers Kryptonians would get from the Red Sun made a mistake and that it is a fake power?
Mod Edit

[Mello Penelo]

Let me ask you something. Do you have to act like an ass? There's no reason for you to speak that way to me. I never personally insulted you before you called me stupid.

The power is FAKE. It is NOT a Kryptonian power. It was BAD writing. It will NEVER be seen again. It has nothing to do with Jor-El. It has everything to do with Al/Miles. It's FAKE.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

1st thing thebog1 apologise for your insult "Are you stupid" and remove it from your post as once a mod sees it you will be warned

2ndly the fake kara in "covenant" already had the power due to an accident she and her mother were in during the 1st meteor shower, jor-el just gave the fake-kara more powers so she would seem like a kryptonian to lure clark to him in the caves

so try watching episodes closely before you make yourself look st*pid then insulting other people for trying to help you out with your question

[krpto]

Lyndsay harrison the fake kara was a metoer freak she was in the metoer shower and jor-el took her and gave hewr extra powers similar to kryptonians so she could get kal-el to jor-el if needed.

[aqgalaxy]

Jor-El gave Jonathan a healing power to heal Clark in Talisman... healing power isn't and Kryptonian power

So her having a different power is nothing far out

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Jor-El gave Jonathan a healing power to heal Clark in Talisman... healing power isn't and Kryptonian power

So her having a different power is nothing far out

the FOS wasnt around in S3 as it was in S5 to save clark :rolleyes:

[aqgalaxy]

no, but the caves were... and Jor-El was in the caves before the FOS was around :rolleyes:

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

the point im trying to make is that the vapourizing power lindsay used wasnt a base kryptonian power it was a meteor-infected power

we humans have ways of reviving, healing, curing people and we dont have powers to do that

so jor-el helping save clark by healing and reviving him doesnt need to be questioned

[aqgalaxy]

the poster was saying Jor-El gave Lindsay kryptonian abilities and that vaporizing power was one of them...

I used Jor-El giving Jonathan the power to heal Clark as an example of him giving human a non kryptonian power

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

and all im saying aqgalaxy is that lindsay already had that power before! she was gifted with kryptonian powers

we could go back and forth on these 2 different events and get nowere simple fact is lindsay displayed a power that kryptonians never use as a standard power

[aqgalaxy]

Ohhh bello I wasn't disagreeing with you... I am just mentioning a time when Jor-El gave non kryptonian powers to people LMAO...

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

sorry for misunderstanding your post i have dyslexia so most chance i will misinterpret things

my apologes

[aqgalaxy]

no problem bello

[Mello Penelo]

Notice he hasn't posted again...

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

either a mod warned him about insulting ya or he didnt want to make himself look more st*pid than he already did by insulting your intelligence with his st*pid arguements

[Mello Penelo]

Seems so. And he kept saying "Red Sun" over and over again, but it never made sense as to what he was talking about.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

i know :lol: and to quote Mr T

"i pity the fool"

:rotfl:

[constantine]

I'm trying to think of a way to put this delicately, but I would advise the person addressing mello in such a way reconsider and possibly apologise before I make a formal complaint. There's no need for abuse.

As for the supergirl issue, what the pseudo kara displayed could be explained away simply as telekinesis, that said, there's nothing to say that Jor-El gave the pseudo kara a kryptonian physiology; as it's been pointed out, this could merely have been a side ffect of already meteorite prompted powers being augmented by whatever kind of voodoo mumbo jumbo is that Jor El does to give humans powers; it's certainly evident that Jor El "gave" no such ability to Jonathon when he needed to retrieve clark.

I think, for the most part, mello is right in stating that it's a boo boo on the part of the production, because they have been fairly honest about having never picked up a comic book in their lives.

[TampaVille]

Jor-el most likely gave the fake Kara that extra power... to make her more powerful. That might sound silly, but it makes sense. He sent her on a mission, to bring Clark back to him. He didn't want anybody getting in her way. She was just a means to an end.

We know that "vaporizing" is not a Kryptonian power. How? Because Kate Boswell lists all Kryptonian powers in Superman Returns! Haha, KIDDING.

We do know that it is not a Kryptonian power. I'm quite the Superman junky. I've read the comics. I've watched the cartoons. I've seen the movies (all of them... and I even liked them!). I've seen every minute of Superman on TV (even the 80's Superboy series) which has been released on DVD. I've read the books. I've read the graphic novels. I have posters. I wear a Superman S-shield chain. Haha, I believe my point is made.

And I can tell you, from all of that experience, that vaporizing is not and never has been a Kryptonian power. Superman has had various powers over the years which were added or removed. A classic example is flight. He originally had to leap tall buildings because he couldn't fly over them. In the 60's, he had a sort of super-muscular-control that let him shape shift a little bit. That one was thankfully removed.

He never had vaporizing though. No Kryptonian has ever had vaporizing. The only instance of vaporizing we see from anybody even remotely associated with Krypton (to my recollection), is the fake Kara on Smallville. I'm sure the random villian here or there might have been able to vaporize, so please nobody pull that out of the woodwork to challenge me! =)

Basically, I applaude you, thebog, for your inquisitive nature, but ask that you question your premises. And I would also second "SV's_immortal_hero" in his request that you apologize for your unnecessary insult. Come on, let's keep the atmosphere positive here! :)

[Spirit Detective]

SV'S_immortal_hero

:lol:
Your avatar and quote below is too funny! Go Prison Break and Smallville.

I don't believe eviscerating objects is a power of Kryptonians

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by TampaVille
And I would also second "SV's_immortal_hero" in his request that you apologize for your unnecessary insult.

i think you'll find that if you read thebog's posts he was insulting fellow posters as he believed kryptonians had that vaporizing power and because a fellow poster corrected him he insulted her

i asked him to apologize and edit his post before a mod would warn him and remove his post

i wasnt insulting any1, you have read every1's post and twisted them around


Jor-el most likely gave the fake Kara that extra power... to make her more powerful. That might sound silly, but it makes sense. He sent her on a mission, to bring Clark back to him. He didn't want anybody getting in her way. She was just a means to an end

its been well documented that in most cases when people have been caught up in smallvilles meteor showers or exposed to kryptonite they sooner or later develop powers so when linday got caught up in the 1st shower she got her vaporizing power, but jor-el simply added/gave her kryptonian powers


SV'S_immortal_hero

Your avatar and quote below is too funny! Go Prison Break and Smallville

thanx :D im trying to find 2 pics 1 of bizarro charging up with green-k around him making bizarro look green, and 1 of him punching clark with a quote saying "bizarro smash" :lol:

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
i think you'll find that if you read thebog's posts he was insulting fellow posters as he believed kryptonians had that vaporizing power and because a fellow poster corrected him he insulted her

i asked him to apologize and edit his post before a mod would warn him and remove his post

i wasnt insulting any1, you have read every1's post and twisted them around


I am afraid you have misunderstood me, and if I was unclear, then for that I apologize. What I said was, "And I would also second "SV's_immortal_hero" in his request that you apologize for your unnecessary insult."

To clarify: "I would also like to agree with "SV's_immortal_hero" who requested that you, the bog, apologize for your [the bog's] unnecessary insults."

I was never accusing you of insulting anybody. I was agreeing with you. It is easy to get defensive on the boards, directly because people like thebog can resort to name calling so readily.


More to the point of this thread, your theory about fake-Kara getting her non-Kryptonian powers from the meteor shower works just as well as mine. Like somebody on this thread pointed out, Jor-el did give Jonathan the power to heal Clark when Clark was injured, so we do know that Jor-el has the ability to pass out non-Kryptonian powers. I'd rather wrap up the whole explanation of where her powers came from with one source, Jor-el. The meteor shower provides another excellent explanation. Without more evidence from the show itself, there is no way of saying definitively which of these two theories is more appropriate.

What I think we can both agree on is that nearly 70 years and over a dozen iterations of the Superman mythology have not been secretly hiding the incineration power so that Al and Miles could tease us with it. :)

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by TampaVille
I am afraid you have misunderstood me, and if I was unclear, then for that I apologize. What I said was, "And I would also second "SV's_immortal_hero" in his request that you apologize for your unnecessary insult."

To clarify: "I would also like to agree with "SV's_immortal_hero" who requested that you, the bog, apologize for your [the bog's] unnecessary insults."

I was never accusing you of insulting anybody. I was agreeing with you. It is easy to get defensive on the boards, directly because people like thebog can resort to name calling so readily.


sorry for the misunderstanding it was a bit unclear but as i have dyslexia it can be difficult to read things and understand there true meanings i didnt know you were agreeing with me so i deeply apologize

[Superbeard]

Heat vaporization induced by contact with the hands is not a Kryptonian power, and we will never see Clark or Kara perform it.

We could just say it was bad writing, or that it was a meteor freak power outside of Jor-El's influence, or that it was some weird ambiguous unexplained human vs. Kryptonian physiology thing accounting for why that power could be granted to a human and not a Kryptonian.

But I like to think fake Kara was just using a combination of superspeed and super, um, flexing. Perhaps she vibrated her hands fast enough and hard enough against the surface of the car that it got extremely hot and structurally unstable and disintigrated everything touching it (including the poor schmuck inside) on a molecular level. Plus, I mean, it was a bright, clear blue day, full of lots of yellow sun exposure, so maybe that accounted for something. [shrugs]

We HAVE seen Superman do something like this in the comics, or at least along the same lines, in the comics following the Death of Superman, to Cyborg. He punched a hole through his chest, then vibrated his arm fast enough that Cyborg exploded. The Flash did in Justice League Unlimited, too. Maybe this was something like that.

It's a stretch, but for continuity's/canon's sake I'm gonna go with that one. :)

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
sorry for the misunderstanding it was a bit unclear but as i have dyslexia it can be difficult to read things and understand there true meanings i didnt know you were agreeing with me so i deeply apologize

No problem buddy. These misunderstandings can occur in forums.

[thebog1]

SV'S_immortal_hero:

1st thing, thebog1: Apologize for your insult, "Are you stupid?" and remove it from your post...
Lindsay already had that (vaporizing) power before she was gifted with Kryptonian powers;
The point I'm trying to make is that the vaporizing power Lindsay used wasn't a base Kryptonian power; it was a meteor-infected power.
... with his stupid arguements...
It's been well documented that in most cases, when people have been caught up in Smallville's meteor showers or exposed to Kryptonite, they sooner or later develop powers so when Lindsay got caught up in the 1st shower, she got her vaporizing power but Jor-l simply added/gave her Kryptonian powers.


Superbeard:


Heat vaporization induced by contact with the hands is not a Kryptonian power, and we will never see Clark or Kara perform it.

Tampaville

No problem buddy. These misunderstandings can occur in forums.

Aqgalaxy:

The poster was saying that Jor-El gave Lindsay Kryptonian abilities and that a vaporizing power was one of them.
I used Jor-El giving Jonathan the power to heal Clark as an example of him (Jor-El) giving human(s) a non-Kryptonian power.

Krypto:

Lindsay Harrison, the fake Kara, was a metoer freak; she was in the metoer shower and Jor-El took her and gave her extra powers similar to Kryptonians so she could get Kal-El to Jor-El if needed.[/b]

Mello:

... before you called me stupid; The power is FAKE...
Notice he hasn't posted again...
Seems so. And he kept saying "Red Sun" over and over again, but it never made sense as to what he was talking about.
It (Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 having a vaporizing ability) was a dead giveaway she wasn't a Kryptonian..


TheBog1:
quote]Are you stupid...?[/hr]
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[li]1. I never stated that Mello was stupid, I simply asked Mello if he/she was. To explain my reasoning (not to defend it, although replying to this is essentially going to fuel the 'flames' against me for the presumption of insult), it was understood by me that Mello was stating their belief that the character Jor-El made an error when providing Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 with Kryptonian power. Howevr, it is also understood by me tha Jor-El had/has the greatest knowledge of the 'Yellow Sun"'s effect on Kryptonians and of the power(s) that Kryptonian would have/receive as a result. With this stated, I find it inconceivable that Jor-El could make a mistake when granting power(s) that he had/has studied more than any other entity in the Superman universe (albeit possible exceptions). Hence, I was not stating that Mello was stupid but asking if he/she was in the context of inquiring whether or not his/her belief was stupid (in the sense that Jor-El would not make a mistake as Mello has/had stated).

This addresses several quotes listed above.

[li]2. A new Kryptonian power in the Smallville show is not impossible or out of the question. There have been/are many different elements that have been added and/or changed in this media of the Superman/Clark Kent entity. Examples of notable changes: meeting Lois prior to the Daily Planet job, the introduction of Black Kyptonite, the introduction of Silver Kryptonite in reguards to its unique effect versus the few occasions it has been seen in prior Superman media, the death of Clark's adopted father Jonathan Kent, etc.
To believe that the producers/writers could/would/should/might add/change/remove or in any other way edit the power(s) that a Kryptonian would and/or should have is not without merit given the currently stated facts as understood at present time by myslf.

This addresses several of the quotes listed above.

[li]3. There has never been, and will most likely never be, any evidence to support claim(s) that Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 obtained the vaporizing power from the meteor show. In fact (and I may be mistaken but do not think so), every person whom displayed an ability that was attributed to meteor exposure actually had said attriution put into an episode at some point in time, by way of phrase, news clipping or memory/display of the time at which the power was aquired. If this is accurate withina 90% margin for people with Kryptonite-based powers, then it is reasonable to dismiss this belief since the only established fact in that episode between Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 and the meteor shower is that she disappeared.

This addresses several quotes listed above.

[li]4. In reguard to Jonathon Kent obtaining the power(s) to heal Clark from Jor-El, I have seen evey episode to date and do not recall such an instance. The only instance I recall of Jonathan Kent receiving powers from Jor-El is the 2-part S3/S4 finale/premier. In this particular instance, Jonathan displayed Kryptonian strength and speed, both which can be accurately attributed to being Kryptonian powers, thanks to the Yellow Sun's effect on genuine Kryptonians. If I am mistaken, please list the episode and I will review it.

[li]5. I did make a single mistake - when referencing the Yellow Sun, I was stating 'Red Sun'. I am not sure why I used the wrong color but for those who do not/did not know what a Red Sun is, a Google search might be useful as such a spatial entity (probably not the best word) does exist.

[li]6. Lastly, it could be true that Jor-El gave an extra power tht is otherwise not available to Kryptonians to Lindsay a.k.a. Kara but I respectfully disagree on this basis: The powers granted to Lindsay were not for her to force Clark into the hole but to trick him. I can not believe Jor-El would send someone out after his own son to bring him in by force. Secondly, if Jor-El wantd his son to be the best that he could be, Jor-El would bestow the power upon his own son, unless it was theaccidental result of human physiology combined with Kryptonian powers - however, if this is the case, Zod, Lex and Jonathan, as well as Eric, did not suffer this side-effect.

I believe that's all I need to say/want to say at this point. As a quote above states, misunderstandings do happen and I believe the vast majority read more into my statements than what was actually said or meant. I will only apologize that my words were not more articurlately stated and for the 'uproar' it caused.

[TampaVille]

Thebog, I won't spend too much time responding to your statement. Rather I'm just going to pick the couple most important points and reply to those.

You seem to make it sound like asking somebody "Are you stupid?" is an innocent and good natured question. It is insulting. Even if you actually, honestly meant it innocently, it is an insult. I would still encourage you to apologize for that insult. I'd also suggest you apologize for trying to talk your way out of it rather than just admit you said something inappropriate, even if it was possibly unintentional.

You said above that if your theory is accurate within a 90% margin, then we can assume it applies in this case. I would be very interested to see that calculations you performed and the data upon which those calculations were based to arrive at your 90% margin. If there are no such calculations, please don't pull numbers out of nowhere. It discredits and dilutes the entire science of statistical analysis.

"In reguard to Jonathon Kent obtaining the power(s) to heal Clark from Jor-El, I have seen evey episode to date and do not recall such an instance"

It is perfectly understandable that you wouldn't remember the details of every episode. However, when somebody points out the details in an episode, you should not just write off their point because you don't remember it. Jonathan Kent did receive the power to heal Clark in an episode, whether you remember it or not. I believe it was the season 3 episode Talisman, though I'm not certain. Don't shoot somebody down because they remember something you have forgotten. When somebody has a point, the much more mature stance is to accept that they may have thought of something you didn't. There is nothing wrong with that. That is actually what discussion and these forums are all about.

Regarding your use of Red Sun or Yellow Sun, I think everybody basically understood what you meant. It's no big deal. It was basically a slip of the tongue. But it was still YOUR slip of the tongue. Encouraging people to go do a Google search to prove that red stars exist is silly and immature, and it makes you look bad. Nobody was accusing you of misspeaking in your use of the term "Red Sun" because they thought red stars don't exist. They were accusing you of misspeaking in your use of the term "Red Sun" because you didn't really mean "Red Sun." And you didn't. You meant "Yellow Sun." So while the slip of the tongue itself is definitely not a big deal, your evasiveness in admitting a mistake and snippiness in suggestion of a Google search IS a big deal. It is again growing on offensive.

There is, again, nothing wrong with being wrong sometimes. You don't have to get defensive about everything you ever say. Otherwise, what's the point of posting on the forums? To show everybody else how perfect you are? Of course not. I LIKE being proven wrong. When somebody proves me wrong, it gives me a chance to improve myself. They've done me a favor. I'm not saying that everything you have said is definitely wrong. But you would likely benefit from opening your mind to the possibility that some of the things you've said here could be mistaken.

[thebog1]

From TVTome.com:

Smallville's S3 Talisman Summary: Jeremiah Holdsclaw, a young Kiwatche Indian, steals a mythic knife from the tribal caves and gets superpowers similar to Clark's. Jeremiah believes he is the fulfillment of the ancient prophecy of Naman, "the man who fell from the stars." He sets out to kill Lionel with the knife, and Clark must stop him without revealing his own secret.

If I recall this episode correctly, Clark does get injured with the knife but Jonathon doesn't heal him from powers given, just sent from Jor-El.

From: http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Talisman
Bleeding profusely, Clark makes it to the house and attempts to call his parents, but he passes out before he can make the call. When they arrive home, they find Clark on the floor bleeding to death. Jonathan administers pressure to the wound and in a burst of light, Clark's wound is healed, through the power of Jor-El, but he remains unconscious.

This further confirms that Jonathon was not given a power, just that power, from Jor-El, was used through him. Jonathon himself never possesed a healing power from Jor-El.


... data upon which those calculations were based to arrive at your 90% margin.

Easy. Pick any ten meteorite 'FoTW'. Out of every set of 10, at least 9 are guaranteed to have their abilities confirmed to have been of the meteor rocks at some point within the show. 9/10=90% out of 100%.


You seem to make it sound like asking somebody "Are you stupid?" is an innocent and good natured question.

It's meant the same way as when you ask someone who just got hit by a car if they're ok.... Well, they're obviously NOT ok but then again, they very well could be. Is it my fault people read more into it than that? Not really. I say what I mean so I (generally) imply nothing. If I wanted to call Mello a name, I would have typed 'Mello, you [i] are...'. As I did not type that, it is not what I wanted to say or in the reader's case, imply. Part of being a good reader/listener is actually paying attention to what the speaker/writer is actually saying, not what you think they're not saying. The same is true to me - read only the words I type for those are the ones I mean to. (Except when I mistype, eg red sun/yellow sun).

Which, BTW, is not me being rude or petty. I just genuinely didn't want to explain what a red sun is so I figure that if anyone wants to know, it'd be much more scientifically accurate and time-conserving to google it than have me try to word a proper or accurate definition.

I have already given a typed apology that more was read into than what I actually typed, which I did not add that it is at the fault of those who read into it like that, so I took that part of the blame upon myself, indicating that I possibly could have worded select passages better. This doesn't change the intent or meaning conveyed, though. Just the presentation is what I think I would have changed, if i felt anything needed to be changed at all.

If someone take's insult from something I say where no insult is meant nor intended, it is not my fault. I can not control how someone is going to take a statement stated for a precise reason and switch it to mean something else. I stated why I said what I said. Thats the best I can do.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

kryptonians never had and never will have the power to heal they only have the power to regenerate organ tissue, humans in reality have methods in which we can heal, cure and prevent injury and illness but that doesnt mean we have the magical power to do it

the FOS wasnt around in season 3 when jor-el healed clark through jonathan, but that doesnt mean jor-el himself had the power to heal it just meant he had the resource to do it, just as jor-el had the resource to resurrect clark in "hidden"

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Jor-El gave Jonathan a healing power to heal Clark in Talisman... healing power isn't and Kryptonian power

So her having a different power is nothing far out

I tend to think of that example as Jonathan being Jor-El's first vessel, something that was a part of their deal.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by thebog1
This further confirms that Jonathon was not given a power, just that power, from Jor-El, was used through him. Jonathon himself never possesed a healing power from Jor-El.


You could just as easily use the same argument to explane where fake Kara's vaporization power came from. It was not given to her, the power from Jor-el was simply used through her. That serves as just a tidy explanation for why vaporization is not a Kryptonian power as any of the other explanations in this thread.

Either that, or it was a meteor induced power, or Jor-el gave her the power to make her stronger so she could bring Clark to him more easily. They all explain how she was able to vaporize the car fairly well. As I mentioned in an earlier post though, the vaporization power has never been a power of Kryptonians, and that would have been a very odd manner for TPTB to introduce a new, SV only Kryptonian power, especially as it has never been referenced or duplicated, even by the "bad" Kryptonians on the show, like Zod and his two evil buddies from the ship. Brainiac has all the powers of Kryptonians and he never vaporized anything, even though he was clearly a baddie.

Regarding the rest of your comments, thebog, I don't see how further discussion will get us anywhere. Therefore I'll restrict my posts to the topic of the thread.

[thebog1]

Kryptonians never had and never will have the power to heal...

That can be debated. Clark's ship was able to heal Martha Kent and Clark Kent when they were infected by kryptonite. Another view would be that it didn't heal them, simply neutralized something it considered to be a threat... The problem with that view, however, is that it gave Martha the ability to conceive, at least once - something she hadn't been able to do pre-Meteor Storm #1. . . So it didn't just neutralize Kryptonite.

Extended logically, Kryptonians who created the ship were able to heal. (Although, in after thought, I don't suppose you meant that they couldn't heal at all. . . So sorry if I typed all that for nothing)...


It was not given to her, the power from Jor-el was simply used through her. That serves as just a tidy explanation for why vaporization is not a Kryptonian power as any of the other explanations in this thread.

That is a contradiction. If the power originated from Jor-El and Jor-El's being/entity is Kryptonian in nature, logic would say that the power is Kryptonian. The exception to the rule would be if it was a power assimilated from another race/source.


Either that, or it was a meteor induced power, or Jor-el gave her the power to make her stronger so she could bring Clark to him more easily.

As I stated before, Jor-El never intended to physically have Clark forced in. If that was his intention(s), Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 would have simply shown up and dragged him in one way or the other. That said, I have to disagree with that statement on the basis that Jor-El did not intend to make her stronger. Following my reasoning, that would mean that Clark ought to be able to have such an ability too.


...especially as it has never been referenced or duplicated, even by the "bad" Kryptonians on the show, like Zod and his two evil buddies from the ship.

Well, neither has silver Kryptonite. It was only in that one episode and has not been seen since - in fact, I can't recall whatever became of it although I have a hunch it's somewhere in a Luthor obsession room/laboratory. Does this make silver Kryptonite any less real? Hardly.


Brainiac has all the powers of Kryptonians

I don't think he ever claimed to have all the powers, just that he was made by them. One power he never displayed was super breath; I also don't think that Brainiac ever flew, just supersped. If that's correct, there are two right there. If he didn't display at least one of those and if I am right, both, what is to say there was a third power he never displayed?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by thebog1
Hey...

Ok, there is one power that most people may have/seem to have forgotten that a Kryptonian ought to have...

Zod did not display it.
Kara has not displayed it (yet).
Eric (when he had Clark's power) did not display it.
Lex (before Zod overtook his body) did not display it.
Rya/Ria did not display it.
Bizarro did not display it.
The two Kryptonians that tried to throw Clark into the Phantom Zone did not display it.

There might be/probably are others who have possessed Kryptonian powers/genetics that I have failed to mention that have not displayed it...

So, what is this power and where did I see it at, in Smallville?

Kara, the Human Slave of Jor-El ...

You know, the one that tried to lead Clark into the hole of the cave at the end of Season 3...

What power was it...?

Well, she... consumed(?) a vehicle with an FBI Agent inside with her bare hand, in flame. That is probably not the proper terminology but, <shrug> sue me.

Anyways, if Jor-El himself, who was the scientist of the 'Red Sun' and its 'effects' on Kryptonians, gave this 'Kara' Kryptonian powers and among the arsenal was the ability to consume/destroy things/people by touch... it MUST be an ability they're supposed to have.

So... let's see it come back already!

thebog read your own original post you were making out kryptonians had more than the standard 5 powers just because jor-el gave fake-kara powers and she displayed a very unorthadox power


That can be debated. Clark's ship was able to heal Martha Kent and Clark Kent when they were infected by kryptonite. Another view would be that it didn't heal them, simply neutralized something it considered to be a threat... The problem with that view, however, is that it gave Martha the ability to conceive, at least once - something she hadn't been able to do pre-Meteor Storm #1. . . So it didn't just neutralize Kryptonite.

how can Kryptonians never had and never will have the power to heal be debatable

under the yellow sun kryptonians have no control of how there bodies recover from injury or illness unless there exposed to direct sunlight even by then its all biology no physical powers, as of which jor-el hasnt displayed either he simply had the means to help those around him

as i explained humans do the same we dont have powers yet we can bring the dead back to life with a Heart Defibulator but only if the dead died minutes from being alive, we also have medicine, vaccines etc yet none of which are powers there only means of helping people

[thebog1]

Extended logically, Kryptonians who created the ship were able to heal. (Although, in after thought, I don't suppose you meant that they couldn't heal at all. . . So sorry if I typed all that for nothing)...

SV, please learn to read. Your statement, that I quoted, stated they didn't have the power to heal - it said nothing about being in the confines of physical power, which is what my response is about. In the confines of physical power, for the most part that would be considered accurate though there could be exceptions debated here or there. To say, flat out, they don't have the power to heal, is erroneous given the result that their ship had on Matha Kent. It was their ship, hence their technology, which healed Martha's womb at that time. Key word: healed.


...had more than the standard 5 powers

That depends on your perspective and knowledge of the Clark Kent/Superman media universe. In the movie(s), Clark/Superman had freezing breath. He could also spin the world back on its axis, 'reversing' time (which is a power since simply reversing the world's orbit wouldn't effect the flow of time). That's already two. We then have heat vision. . . Bulletproof. Superspeed. That's five. Flying. Now we're up to six. In the New Adventures of Lois & Clark, he seemed to have above average speed in thinking skills - could count as a seventh, possibly. If not, add his ten minute breath holding time: I'd consider that a power, for sure. (Also, note that if mankind could do these things, they wouldn't be considered superpowered.. so yea, I'm adding ten mins of breath holding). How about healing while in the sun at nearly instantaneous levels? Yep, I'll add that one. So I'm at 8, at least, possibly 9 if you add the possible seventh.

Again, it's really based on one's knowledge of the universe on how many 'base powers' Clark has.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
sorry for misunderstanding your post i have dyslexia so most chance i will misinterpret things

did you not read this thebog???


SV, please learn to read

i think you'll find this is an insult as i clearly stated i had a problem with reading so as of now your being reported, and im also going to report you for insulting Mello Penelo

[thebog1]

I have dyslexia so most chance I will misinterpret things.

Dyslexia is ok - but it is not something that causes a person to ignore a complete statement.
.tnemetats etelpmoc a erongi ot nosrep cesuac taht gnihtemos ton si ti tub - ko si aixelsyD

From http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3138, the only shared trait among people with dyslexia is that they read at levels significantly lower than typical for people of their age.
.ega rieht fo elpoep rof lacipyt naht rewol yltnacifingis slevel ta daer yeht taht si aixelsyd htiw elpoep gnoma tiart derahs ylno eht, 8313=yekelcitra?asp.art\niam\tpircs\moc.smretdem.w ww\\:ptth

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia, evidence suggests that dyslexia results from differences in how the brain processes written and/or verbal language.
.egaugnal labrev ro\dna nettirw sessecorp niarb eht woh ni secnereffid morf stluser aixelsyd taht stseggus ecnedive, aixelsyD\ikiw\org.aidepikiw.ne\\:ptth[\url]

From [url]http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/267/main.html, dyslexic persons often reverse letters and words, cannot adequately distinguish the letter sequences in written words, and have difficulty in understanding left from right.
.thgir morf tfek gnidnatsrednu ni ytluciffid evah dna, sdrow nettirw ni secneuqes rettel eht hsiugnitsid yletauqeda tonnac, sdrow dna srettel esrever netfo snosrep cixelsyd, lmth.niam\762\86\ycne\moc.tuocshtlaeh.www\\:ptth

My point being that having dyslexia does not mean you omit reading entire passages which is what you appeared to do when you continued to debate with me over the healing 'power' of Kryptonians. My reply included this statement:
:tnemetats siht dedulcni ylper yM .snainotpyrK fo 'rewop' gnilaeh eht revo em htiw etabed ot deunitnoc uoy nehw od ot deraeppa uoy tahw si hcihw segassap eritne gnidaer timo uoy neam ton seod aixelsyd gnivah taht gnieb tniop yM


Extended logically, Kryptonians who created the ship were able to heal. (Although, in after thought, I don't suppose you meant that they couldn't heal at all. . . So sorry if I typed all that for nothing)...

Judging from your reply, it appeared as if you didn't read any of that or the statement above it because it was referencing a technological ability/power to heal, not a being's power as you are/were referring to.
.ot gnirrefer erew\era uoy sa rewop s'gnieb a ton ,laeh ot rewop/ytiliba lacigolonhcet a gnicnerefer saw ti esuaceb ti evoba tnemetats eht ro taht fo yna daer t'ndid uoy fi sa deraeppa ti ,ylper yuoy morf gnigduJ

That said, my comment to you was asking you to read the statements instead of just clicking the reply button. I could be wrong but given certain personal learning experiences am fairly certain I am not - dyslexia makes reading comprehension harder but does not mean the person skips entire passages of text. Attempting to say that I was 'cracking' on you is far from accurate. I just think it'd be appropriate you read what a person's response is about before instantly replying. If you took offense to my statement, I'll apologize in-so-much that perhaps I should noted it, at the time of that post (therein that post) that I was stating you didn't seem to read the reply you were responding to at all so I wouldn't have had to take the time to explain it here.
ereh ti nialpxe ot emit eht ekat ot dah evah t'ndluow I os lla ta ot gnidnopser erew uoy ylper eht daer ot mees t'ndid uoy gnitats saw I taht (tsop taht niereht) tsop taht fo emit eht ta ,ti deton dluohs I spahrep taht hcum-os-ni ezigolopa ll'I ,tnemetats ym ot esneffo a tahw daer uoy etairporppa eb d'ti kniht tsuj I .etarucca morf raf si uoy no 'gnikcarc' saw I taht yas ot gnipmettA .txet fo segassap eritne spiks nosrep eht naem ton seod tub redrah noisneherpmoc gnidaer sekam aixelsyd - ton ma I niatrec ylriaf ma secneirepxe gninrael lanosrep niatrec nevig tub gnorw be dluoc I .nottub ylper eht gnikcilc tsuj fo daetsni stnemetats eht daer ot uoy gniksa saw uoy ot tnemmoc ym ,dias tahT

[anakinjmt]

Originally posted by thebog1
Dyslexia is ok - but it is not something that causes a person to ignore a complete statement.

From http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3138, the only shared trait among people with dyslexia is that they read at levels significantly lower than typical for people of their age.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia, evidence suggests that dyslexia results from differences in how the brain processes written and/or verbal language.

From http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/267/main.html, dyslexic persons often reverse letters and words, cannot adequately distinguish the letter sequences in written words, and have difficulty in understanding left from right.

My point being that having dyslexia does not mean you omit reading entire passages which is what you appeared to do when you continued to debate with me over the healing 'power' of Kryptonians. My reply included this statement:



Judging from your reply, it appeared as if you didn't read any of that or the statement above it because it was referencing a technological ability/power to heal, not a being's power as you are/were referring to.

That said, my comment to you was asking you to read the statements instead of just clicking the reply button. I could be wrong but given certain personal learning experiences am fairly certain I am not - dyslexia makes reading comprehension harder but does not mean the person skips entire passages of text. Attempting to say that I was 'cracking' on you is far from accurate. I just think it'd be appropriate you read what a person's response is about before instantly replying. If you took offense to my statement, I'll apologize in-so-much that perhaps I should noted it, at the time of that post (therein that post) that I was stating you didn't seem to read the reply you were responding to at all so I wouldn't have had to take the time to explain it here.

First of all, do you have dyslexia? Doesn't appear that you do. Do you know someone that does? I doubt it, based on what you've said. Are you a medical expert on it? I very much doubt it again based on what you said. then what makes you think you can accurately know exactly what it does? I have a friend with dyslexia, and it is easy for her to read something and get the wrong meaning from it. Not to mention, what I italicized above is the perfect explanation for his misunderstanding. And, again, since he has it, he knows better than anyone, including you, how it affects him. And, again, instead of apologizing, you try to rationalize it. Be a freakin' man for once and apologize. Admit you were wrong.

As for your "question", we know she was caught in the meteor shower. It is safe to assume she got some sort of power, as pretty much everyone caught in a meteor shower has gotten some sort of power, and that vaporizing was it. It is also possible that it was Jor-El using the power through her, as opposed to a power she had. Just because a power is Kryptonian in basis doesn't mean that Kryptonians have it. It can originate from Krypton, but that doesn't mean people from Krypton can do it. And, we all know Superman's powers (see here for a list of powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman)), and clearly, vaporizing isn't one of them. Sure, Clark has shown powers not seen in Superman before, but nothing to the effect and power of vaporizing.

As for Brainiac, just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he didn't have it. I doubt he did have it, but he didn't show it, so we couldn't know for sure. He also might not have known he had it (think Kara and superhearing).

[thebog1]

First of all, do you have dyslexia? Doesn't appear that you do.

That's because through hardwork and dedication and constant vigilance, it doesn't show. Am I an MD? I very well could be already or I could be in college for it (which, by the way, wouldn't be a medical doctor par se, it'd be a pyschologist/psychiatrist who would handle cases od dyslexia).


I have a friend with dyslexia, and it is easy for her to read something and get the wrong meaning from it.

As you said, she reads it. That's what I was asking him to do.


And, again, instead of apologizing, you try to rationalize it.

Did you miss:


If you took offense to my statement, I'll apologize in-so-much that perhaps I should noted it, at the time of that post (therein that post) that I was stating you didn't seem to read the reply you were responding to at all so I wouldn't have had to take the time to explain it here.

I guess you didn't. Mashed the reply button?


... and that vaporizing was it.

It never established that fact. Yes to her being caught in the shower, no to her power being a vaporizing one. In fact, it doesn't even say she was caught in it, only that she disappeared during it. The audience could speculate Jor-El whisked her/took her during the shower so she may not have had time to be exposed. Whether or not that's true, I suppose we will never
know.


And, we all know Superman's powers (see here for a list of powers), and clearly, vaporizing isn't one of them.

True, but if we go by a pre-established list of established facts, silver kryptonite was never on the list in the format Smallville brought. . . And black kryptonite wasn't on the list at all until Smallville introduced it. Lois and Clark never met until the Daily Planet. . . So a pre-established list of facts for the medium so far is not a list that will stay absolutely complete.


As for Brainiac, just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he didn't have it.

True - I agree with you. In fact, I never said that Brainiac didn't have it. I believe my original statement concerning Brainiac was that he didn't display it; later on, I stated that perhaps he didn't have all the powers a Kryptonian has due to a Yellow Sun but I never stated that it was my concrete belief he didn't have the ability.

[anakinjmt]

Originally posted by thebog1
That's because through hardwork and dedication and constant vigilance, it doesn't show.

So maybe he hasn't gotten there yet.

Am I an MD? I very well could be already or I could be in college for it (which, by the way, wouldn't be a medical doctor par se, it'd be a pyschologist/psychiatrist who would handle cases od dyslexia).

I never said MD; I just said medical expert. Looks to me like you should take your own advice and read before replying.



As you said, she reads it. That's what I was asking him to do.

Yes, she reads it, and so did he. You did say it in a confusing matter. I don't have dyslexia, and I had to re-read it to make sure I got it right.


I guess you didn't. Mashed the reply button?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact, I DID read that. "I'll apologize in-so-much" is not an apology. That's an "I'm sorry if you were offended by it, but not that I said it." An apology would be "I'm sorry I said that. I didn't mean to offend you. I should have been more tactful." Not to mention, that phrase doesn't mesh with the rest of the sentence (I don't even know how those two points are connected).


It never established that fact. Yes to her being caught in the shower, no to her power being a vaporizing one. In fact, it doesn't even say she was caught in it, only that she disappeared during it. The audience could speculate Jor-El whisked her/took her during the shower so she may not have had time to be exposed. Whether or not that's true, I suppose we will never know.

You're right that we'll never know. It says she disappeared during it. That implies, or one could infer, that she was caught in it. And, it may not explicitly state that it was a meteor power, but one could definitely get that impression. I think for people that know Superman would instantly recognize that that was not the real Kara, both by the power, and by her attitude. I also want to bring up a point you said about how Johnathan didn't have that power at the beginning of Season 3. We don't know that he didn't have it. If that power exists because of Kryptonian powers being given to a human, then just because Johnathan or Lex or Leech didn't display it doesn't mean they didn't have it. They could have not known about it (again, think the real Kara and superhearing).



True, but if we go by a pre-established list of established facts, silver kryptonite was never on the list in the format Smallville brought. . . And black kryptonite wasn't on the list at all until Smallville introduced it. Lois and Clark never met until the Daily Planet. . . So a pre-established list of facts for the medium so far is not a list that will stay absolutely complete.

Silver kryptonite has appeared once in the comics, and it was also fake. You're right about it not being complete, but I think you're reading way too much in a power that was used in one episode, and only once in that episode. And, y'know, thinking about it, it could have come about with the mixing of human DNA and Kryptonian powers. Conner Kent was a hybrid clone of Lex and Superman, and his powers originally were all telekinesis based. So, there, there's a precedence straight from the comics for this.


True - I agree with you. In fact, I never said that Brainiac didn't have it. I believe my original statement concerning Brainiac was that he didn't display it; later on, I stated that perhaps he didn't have all the powers a Kryptonian has due to a Yellow Sun but I never stated that it was my concrete belief he didn't have the ability.

That's what I inferred from your statement about it.

I really honestly think there is too much being looked into this one-shot power. Y'know, I'm curious: was there a commentary from Al/Miles about the particular episode on the DVD set? My S3 is at home, so I wouldn't know. If so, someone should play it and check it out, if that'll make him happy.

[HalJordan4184]

There is so much to fix here it isn't funny.

thebog1: watch it. You are insulting other posters. That is strictly against the Ksite rules, and will lead to you getting banned. Asking someone if they are stupid, and expecting sarcasm to carry over through an internet forum, is rude. We address the topics themselves, and not the posters. Consider this your warning. Your new, you get a break to start.

Everyone else: Watch it just as much. Some of you know better. Just report the problems, and leave it go. Fanning the flames is just as bad as starting the fire itself, sometimes worse. Let's get back to topic, and if a civilized debate doesn't ensue, expect thread closures and warnings all around.

Back on Topic:

What sense would it make for Clark to have a redundant power? If he's vaporizing something, he can use his heat vision. Why should he have to physically touch something to vaporize it, if he can stand miles away, and simply look at it to do the same thing?

Also, logically, if the ship can heal people, there is still no evidence Kryptonians can heal people. In star Trek, dermal regenerators can heal injuries. Should I now believe, that everyone in the Star Trek Universe, also has the power to heal, because their technology can accomplish this feat?

[thebog1]

What sense would it make for Clark to have a redundant power? If he's vaporizing something, he can use his heat vision. Why should he have to physically touch something to vaporize it, if he can stand miles away, and simply look at it to do the same thing?

That's true. I never considered that. Still, the ability to touch something to cause it to be vaporized would have a lot of asset in times where he may not be able to see - there have been several instances (if not more) in Superman media where his vision or eyes were temporarily disabled. In these situations, it'd be far from useless or redundant but I do get what you're saying and I could agree on that aspect...

I wasn't implying that they, the Kryptonians, have a physiological ability to heal wounds. I was and have stated that through their technology, they can heal people. Anything that is beyond the ability of humans that a Kryptonian can do, generally using whatever means, would be a display of power. There are different kinds of powers - technological power, intellectual power, biological power, etc. I have not said that Kryptonians possess the biological power to heal people but through their technological power, they are able to heal people. That, in itself, is a healing power. That is the end result/outcome.

One could question if they knew about it though, as an afterthought. The ship was neutralizing kryptonite, not deliberately attempting to heal others. It's almost like... (and this will not be the best example) a person becoming rich for the sake of being rich but along with the benefit is fame for the person's relatives as well. Well, the main person's goal was to be rich but their goal accomplished a different objective for its relatives.

Anyways, I <still> believe that the possibility for it to be a Kryptonian power (and in my mind, the definitive-until-proven-otherwise) can't be denied. Redundant and useless as it could be, it'd still be pretty awesome graphic and actual useage wise.

Reckon we'll see CK get his ice breath or ability to turn back time as shown in the movies before the end of the show? Those two can't be denied as powers he had, I would hope. Some time later, I'll do a massive, exhaustive, 99.9%+++ accurate search throughout all established Superman mediums for a complete powers listing. If I finish it sometime tonight, I'll post it but I'm sure there are other powers we haven't given account to.

[TampaVille]

HalJordan: Thank you. That was much needed and, I am certain, appreciated.

As much as I do not believe that Kryptonians have the vaporization power, I don't think redundancy is the strongest argument against it. As thebog pointed out, there would be instances where the two powers wouldn't overlap. And Clark's heat vision, though it has been shown to vaporize in some instances (like a bullet in Lex's mansion or that flood of water in Bizarro), heat vision probably wouldn't be able to near instantly vaporize an entire police cruiser an guy inside it. I'm thinking back to the season 3 premier where Clark specifically heat visions a Metropolis PD cruiser. It blows up (I'm still not certain enough on the physics of the matter to know whether that was a realistic reaction either... I suspect not, though it seems more plausible than the car vaporizing as a result). At any rate, I'm now meandering. My big point was, I DON'T think vaporization is a kryptonian power, but had to play devil's advocate as far as that one argument against it goes. I'm curious to hear your take.

Thebog: No need to bother, anakinjmt already posted a link to one fairly exhausitve listing of Superman's powers over time. I'm sure that there are others online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman

As a sidenote, this is advice. When you use the term "power" on this site, MOST readers (myself included) will assume you mean a physical power the being has in some way, probably as a result of their unique biology or upbringing, or some accident that occured. For instance, Bart Allen has extreme super speed as a power. Clark has heat vision as a power.

While you are technically correct in your description of healing through mechanical devices as a Kryptonian technological power/ability, it is very potentially misleading to refer to such as a Kryptonian power. Most people will use the term "Kryptonian power" to mean a power Kryptonians have on earth as a result of the earth's yellow star.

It's not a big deal, but it will probably clear up future confusion if you keep that in mind when discussing what powers Kryptonians do or do not have.

[thebog1]

Here's a list of the powers I've found Superman has had/displayed/used at some point in at least a single Superman medium:


-Flight
-Healing Factor (regenerate physical damage at accelerated rates)
-Hearing
-Heat Vision
-Invincibility (except against Kryptonite and magic)
-Mental Powers (Genius-level intel, eidetic memory)
-Stamina (no need for food/water or rest)
-Super Breath (can freeze objects, generate hurricane-force winds, survive without oxygen)
-Super Speed (Could be used to travel through time),
-Super Strength (could be used to move entire planets)
-Super Ventriloquism
-Tactile Telekinesis
-Vision (X-Ray, Telescopic, Microscopic and able to see the full elctromagnetic spectrum)
-Enhanced senses of touch and smell
-Split himself into two slightly weaker Supermen
-Walk through solid matter
-Telepathy

One super-power that has long since been discarded by the chroniclers is Superman's ability, displayed on a number of occasions in the 1940s, to radically alter his facial characteristics and even his size through what was described as "superb muscular control" of his "plastic features."
Sources:
Wikipedia... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman#Golden_Age_Superm an)
http://www.fortress.am/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

Quite a lot of options for the Smallville directors...

[Odysseus]

Originally posted by thebog1
Jor-El gave the human Kara the power(s).

So, explain to me how it could be 'fake'. . . It makes absolutely no sense for Jor-El to grant her all the powers of a Kryptonian - even flying, if my memory serves me correctly, and yet give her a power that is real but non-Kryptonian...

Sorry, but I'm rejecting the idea of it being a 'fake' power as... well, stupid.

Edit: By the way, the only way we discovered that she wasn't a true Kryptonian was because Jonathan Kent had Chloe run Human-Kara's fingerprints. Remove that tidbit and we would have never known she wasn't a true Kryptonian.

You're forgetting the fact that the girl was found by Jor-El after she died in the meteor shower. Her body probably developed that power as a mutation from the meteors. Jor-El found her corpse afterwards and apparently decided to reprogram it as Kara, give it Kryptonian powers, etc.

So yeah, my guess is Jor-El gave "Kara" (aka Lindsey) Kryptonian powers, but she gained that vaporizing-power from being in the meteor shower.

[Ares]

MOD EDIT

[thebog1]

Originally posted by Odysseus
You're forgetting the fact that the girl was found by Jor-El after she died in the meteor shower.

That was never established that she had died. I just finished watching that specific episode again this morning. The only thing that was established about Lindsay a.k.a. Kara #1 is that she went missing during the meteor shower and was then thought of as dead. Nowhere does it confirm her being killed at any point (until Jor-El does it) or being actually caught in the shower. The only tidbit about her powers that is confirmed is that Jor-El bestowed upon her Kryptonian powers. Anything beyond that is speculation, which is why I go with what has been confirmed, not what hasn't.

It hasn't been confirmed, but I say she was also very hot... More so than Vander-what's-her-name.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by thebog1
Dyslexia is ok - but it is not something that causes a person to ignore a complete statement.
.tnemetats etelpmoc a erongi ot nosrep cesuac taht gnihtemos ton si ti tub - ko si aixelsyD

From http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3138, the only shared trait among people with dyslexia is that they read at levels significantly lower than typical for people of their age.
.ega rieht fo elpoep rof lacipyt naht rewol yltnacifingis slevel ta daer yeht taht si aixelsyd htiw elpoep gnoma tiart derahs ylno eht, 8313=yekelcitra?asp.art\niam\tpircs\moc.smretdem.w ww\\:ptth

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia, evidence suggests that dyslexia results from differences in how the brain processes written and/or verbal language.
.egaugnal labrev ro\dna nettirw sessecorp niarb eht woh ni secnereffid morf stluser aixelsyd taht stseggus ecnedive, aixelsyD\ikiw\org.aidepikiw.ne\\:ptth[\url]

From [url]http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/267/main.html, dyslexic persons often reverse letters and words, cannot adequately distinguish the letter sequences in written words, and have difficulty in understanding left from right.
.thgir morf tfek gnidnatsrednu ni ytluciffid evah dna, sdrow nettirw ni secneuqes rettel eht hsiugnitsid yletauqeda tonnac, sdrow dna srettel esrever netfo snosrep cixelsyd, lmth.niam\762\86\ycne\moc.tuocshtlaeh.www\\:ptth

My point being that having dyslexia does not mean you omit reading entire passages which is what you appeared to do when you continued to debate with me over the healing 'power' of Kryptonians. My reply included this statement:
:tnemetats siht dedulcni ylper yM .snainotpyrK fo 'rewop' gnilaeh eht revo em htiw etabed ot deunitnoc uoy nehw od ot deraeppa uoy tahw si hcihw segassap eritne gnidaer timo uoy neam ton seod aixelsyd gnivah taht gnieb tniop yM



Judging from your reply, it appeared as if you didn't read any of that or the statement above it because it was referencing a technological ability/power to heal, not a being's power as you are/were referring to.
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That said, my comment to you was asking you to read the statements instead of just clicking the reply button. I could be wrong but given certain personal learning experiences am fairly certain I am not - dyslexia makes reading comprehension harder but does not mean the person skips entire passages of text. Attempting to say that I was 'cracking' on you is far from accurate. I just think it'd be appropriate you read what a person's response is about before instantly replying. If you took offense to my statement, I'll apologize in-so-much that perhaps I should noted it, at the time of that post (therein that post) that I was stating you didn't seem to read the reply you were responding to at all so I wouldn't have had to take the time to explain it here.
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:mad: thebog i left out a majority of your statements as they had no relevence to the comments i quoted you on, you have no right questioning my condition as false just because i left out a majority of your statements

im done debating with you and my reason isnt due to the topic of the thread its because of your disrespect by questioning my condition, using links to prove it wrong and using reversed paragraphs as a means of catching me out

before i say something or quote some1 elses post and if im unsure of how something is spelt i look it up as with my condition i know how hard it is to UNDERSTAND whats written and not what i SEE


First of all, do you have dyslexia? Doesn't appear that you do. Do you know someone that does? I doubt it, based on what you've said. Are you a medical expert on it? I very much doubt it again based on what you said. then what makes you think you can accurately know exactly what it does? I have a friend with dyslexia, and it is easy for her to read something and get the wrong meaning from it. Not to mention, what I italicized above is the perfect explanation for his misunderstanding. And, again, since he has it, he knows better than anyone, including you, how it affects him. And, again, instead of apologizing, you try to rationalize it. Be a freakin' man for once and apologize. Admit you were wrong.

thank you for defending me anakinjmt

[LoisL]

Originally posted by thebog1
Here's a list of the powers I've found Superman has had/displayed/used at some point in at least a single Superman medium:


Sources:
Wikipedia... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman#Golden_Age_Superm an)
http://www.fortress.am/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

Quite a lot of options for the Smallville directors...

:rotfl: Those were the days! :rotfl:
I especially got a kick out of the "super ventriloquism", which was projecting his voice across great distances. Y'know, a "super" way to communicate with Supergirl instead of having telepathy or gadgets.

One power hasn't been mentioned though. :mad:
.............
Super-Kiss!! As seen in feature films Superman II and IV, the Man of Steel's amazing ability to tamper with the memory of those he kissed. aka "memory-wipe kiss"

Actually, y'all have neglected to mentioned Superman's hypnosis power as well. It's really just a canon comics version of the super kiss since in the Silver Age comics Superman used to resort to hypnosis to wipe out people's memories. (C'mon, he wasn't going to kiss villains who'd learned his identity.) :lol: Maybe hypnosis was considered a vision power, since he had to look them in the eye etc., so perhaps that's why it wasn't listed seperately by that wiki article.

In any case, I sincerely hope that AlMiles do not attempt to incorporate all those Kryptonian powers into the show as quite a few of them haven't stood the test of time. Better yet that they stick to the basics: flight, invinicibility, strength, heat/X-ray/microscopic vision, superhearing, and superbreath. The only power I'm waiting on (besides flight ofc) is the freeze breath aspect to the superbreath. That would've come in plenty handy during Bizarro instead of Clark's vaporizing the entire resoirvoir. Not to mention that any being with fire as a superpower ought to have a means of nullifying it, like a safety plan. All those unintentional fires in "Heat" should in the future be controlled by built-in Kryptonian freeze extinguishers.

[Mello Penelo]

If it wasn't bad writing, then the vaporization was the fake Kara's meteor power, compounded by the Kryptonian abilities.

Want another example of a bunk power? Superman 4, when Clark blinked and fixed the Great Wall of China.

I'm requesting this thread be closed. It's beating a dead horse.

[LoisL]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Want another example of a bunk power? Superman 4, when Clark blinked and fixed the Great Wall of China.

I'm requesting this thread be closed. It's beating a dead horse.

Ah yes, Superman's amazing fast-rewind power or great undo button control. why????

See ya.