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Merfish

10-01-2007, 08:56 PM

I think Kensei will turn evil and then will become the one who kills Hiro's dad. This makes sense because Hiro's father new that someone in his family would inherit powers, and Kensei could have told him this. This also explains why another body wasn't found.

Also I think Kensei's power is basically to come back from the dead, but with the same conditions as Claire(If an object is used to kill you, the object must be removed from the body).

I dont think Claire and Kensei have the same power

jazzylg

10-01-2007, 08:57 PM

Kensei must be the rumored immortal.

Rafael122

10-01-2007, 08:58 PM

Yes, this is what I think as well, Kensei is going after the 9, but we haven't figured out why yet.

I'm sticking with the immortal idea with Kensei, but it could be that he has the same power as Claire. Should be interesting. I thought this was all going to turn into Hiro becoming Kensei, but this is going a lot deeper.

Alexander III

10-01-2007, 09:04 PM

That's an interesting theory! It might be true since the killer pushed Hiro's dad off the cliff and jumped together. The killer ran away without any damages..so yeah I buy your theory!

Patient101

10-01-2007, 09:29 PM

yea that actually sounds real good... I think someone on herosite said he was the immortal...

shadow4486

10-02-2007, 07:47 AM

In some of the spoilers they have mentioned that the same person who plays Kensei plays another character, Kane. Similar?

And that he is an immortal who has a european look.

So your initial theory is sound.

Now I don't know if Kensei is the one who is killing the 9 or what but I'm sure he has some connection...

Also I think the Irish big guy (the one who's son attacked the pub girl) has something to do with the 9 as well. But I don't have any theories to back it up.

pycer

10-02-2007, 08:02 AM

Hmmm...Im starting to wonder if this Kensei is the killer theory might have some merit to it interesting...

And just a thought- Drawing parallels between Kensei and Claire, its been stated that Kensei has 'immortality' and not just claires regenerative abililties...whats to say Claire wont live several hundred years herself? Drawing from the Marvel comics character Wolverine, who pretty much originated the 'healing factor' power, he has lived well over a hundred years himself all due to the fact his cells regenerate.

Ms. Mack

10-02-2007, 10:07 AM

At first I thought that Hiro would become Kensei - it seemed to fit. He seems to be in love with the swordsmans daughter already, but maybe Hiro and Sark (yes I know that's not his real name) will work together. And they are both Kensei.

Silly thought, I know, but I just can't see Sark being the real Kensei. Legends are often misinterpretations.

pycer

10-02-2007, 10:11 AM

Why is he referred to as Sark?

Ms. Mack

10-02-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by pycer
Why is he referred to as Sark?

He's not. I'm a goof. He used to be on Alias as Sark and every time I see him that's who I think of. Sorry for being confusing.

pycer

10-02-2007, 10:25 AM

Just curious, seen several people call him that on here and wondered if I missed something somewhere. Clearly I did, I never watched Alias hence the reference was lost on me. :)

anakinjmt

10-02-2007, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Ms. Mack
He's not. I'm a goof. He used to be on Alias as Sark and every time I see him that's who I think of. Sorry for being confusing.

Eh, I still call him Sark, because I know him from Alias too. Which reminds me, it made me laugh when Sark was the only bad guy to get away in the finale. Makes me wonder if when Kristin shows up, how many people will still call her Veronica. I really need to start watching that show.

I also think Sark--er, Kensei--is the guy behind the killing of the nine (now I think of that ABC show), and I also think it's possible there's some sort of familial ties between him and Claire, as I find that the odds of two people having the same power, no matter how far apart in time, and not being related as next to impossible. No, somehow, Kensei is related to Claire.

STFanatic

10-02-2007, 12:38 PM

I have only watched Veronica Mars two or three times.
Not that it wasn't a good show, I think it conflicted with something else I watched.
The only times I really turn to CW is for Smallville, I watch Supernatural online.
I used to turn to CW late night for reruns of South Park, but they replaced those with Friends & Sex in the City. (two shows I have never watched)

Patient101

10-02-2007, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by anakinjmt

I also think Sark--er, Kensei--is the guy behind the killing of the nine (now I think of that ABC show), and I also think it's possible there's some sort of familial ties between him and Claire, as I find that the odds of two people having the same power, no matter how far apart in time, and not being related as next to impossible. No, somehow, Kensei is related to Claire.

I dont really agree with you on the point you made about claire needing to be related to kensei to have the same power... We have already seen that claire's new boyfriend can fly just as well as nathan and yet, unless nathan has tons of illegitamate kids out there (which just makes this relationship gross), then it proves that the same power can sprout up in different people without genetic connection.

Merfish

10-02-2007, 03:35 PM

claire is a lizard and lizards lifespan in comparison to a human is about the same

bobsuncorp

10-02-2007, 04:08 PM

As far as I can see the best reason for Kensei being related to Claire is that they are both blonde. He could be an ancestor on her mothers side. On the other hand, in the 500 years probably every caucasion (and other ethnicities) has had a blonde in the family, so maybe not. The healing ability is probably a coincedence, unless we want to suggest that Nathan and West are related, and given how close he and Claire are probably going to get that could be decidedly icky.

Patient101

10-02-2007, 04:10 PM

I wouldnt jump to claire being a lizard nessicarily but your right about the fact that while lizards can regrow limbs or whatever it doesnt mean they live forever. Unlike lizards though claire heals from any type of wound so she may have immortal capabilities. I mean in all reality we are aged by outside influences (like free radicals) destroying our bodies, so theoretically if she can heal from all that then she would be able to live forever...

Ms. Mack

10-02-2007, 04:23 PM

Also though certain animals can repair limbs, none to my knowledge can repair that quickly - her toe grew back in seconds. I think she would be able to live an extrodinarily long life. However, if her head were to get severed which half would grow back?

Patient101

10-02-2007, 04:27 PM

umm... im pretty sure that would just sorta equal death.... I dunno. I think she would have to be put back together to recover from that if she could. Also it has been stated that her power lies in her brain so if she where to grow back a part then her head would regrow the body....

anakinjmt

10-02-2007, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Patient101
I dont really agree with you on the point you made about claire needing to be related to kensei to have the same power... We have already seen that claire's new boyfriend can fly just as well as nathan and yet, unless nathan has tons of illegitamate kids out there (which just makes this relationship gross), then it proves that the same power can sprout up in different people without genetic connection.

See, I agree with you over the flying kid and Nathan, but the fact that Kensei lived, what, 500 hundred years before Claire? and as the same power as her, I find that just a bit too coincidental. It's obviously true what you said that they don't need to be genetically related, but the fact that one of them lived before the other just really kinda pushes that to my mind. I very well could be wrong, but that's just what I'm thinking.

jazzylg

10-02-2007, 10:17 PM

Remember peter, the human bomb? He went nuke, and obviously what happened to his body wasn't shown. If he was vaporized in the blast, head and all, he obviously regenerated from ashes! Which in theory, if he has claire's ability, then if she was decapitated, her head would regrow, but her memory would be lost. Kinda like reformating a PC. You keep the pc, but everything on the hardrive is toast!

pycer

10-03-2007, 05:34 AM

It wasnt the nuke blast that wiped peters memory, it was the haitian

STFanatic

10-03-2007, 05:59 AM

I am loving this season :D

So many possibilites, so few Mondays :(

anakinjmt

10-03-2007, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by pycer
It wasnt the nuke blast that wiped peters memory, it was the haitian

Where do you get that idea?

Patient101

10-03-2007, 09:39 AM

He got that idea from the fact that peter has no memory, and wiping people's memories is the Haitians power... that and peter is now wearing the haitian's necklace... lol.

Also, technically Nathan lived before west did too so Im still not buying that connection... sorry.

STFanatic

10-03-2007, 10:12 AM

Agreed, the necklace (IMO) links Pete's memory loss to the Haitian.

I am still waiting to find out about Nathan's burned face, it has to be in his mind since Parkman didn't seem to notice anything odd.

SuperEl

10-03-2007, 12:18 PM

Did the Haitian and Peter get in contact with each other before?

Patient101

10-03-2007, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by jazzylg
Remember peter, the human bomb? He went nuke, and obviously what happened to his body wasn't shown. If he was vaporized in the blast, head and all, he obviously regenerated from ashes! Which in theory, if he has claire's ability, then if she was decapitated, her head would regrow, but her memory would be lost. Kinda like reformating a PC. You keep the pc, but everything on the hardrive is toast!

I dunno... HRG said that even claire had limits... I cant imagine it can get much worse than being turned into a pile of ash, so i would sincerely doubt that she could heal from that, in fact i would garuntee it. On the note that peter was vaporized in the blast I would simply point out that Ted never showed any damage from the use of his powers, no matter how much evergy he released, so I would assume that neither peter or sylar will either...

Also it has been made clear that claire's power is contingant on her brain... thats why in the first season when she died and then the stick was taken out of her brain she was able to regenerate.

Merfish

10-03-2007, 09:18 PM

anakinjmt

10-04-2007, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Merfish
Claire power is in her brain, they said that about everyone, so u could probably kill her if you exploded her brain off

Ohhhhhhhhh. That makes sense, then, how Sylar could have killed her back in Season 1 and she wouldn't heal. That was something I was wondering. So, if her brain is killed, then she dies? I like that idea.

ReD-SpideR

10-04-2007, 08:01 AM

why is everyone so fixated on Claires healing power?

who said what happen to kensei was healing?

there 2 other possibilities your all missing...

1: If kensei does have a power and "healed" himself, it isn't healing, more like.. he died, then was re-set to point before death, his wound didn't really heal itself, it more.. rapidity re-appeared to normal as if he is immortal not healing.

2: If you noticed Hiro had himself close to Kensei and was emotional about the death of his hero... did you possibly think that maybe, just maybe, Hiro reverse his psychical state to before he got arrowed.. (which mind you was a pathetic "death" lol)

Merfish

10-04-2007, 08:37 AM

she can heal her brain though, but if there is something in it she dies, like when peter had the shard of glass or when claire had that tree branch, so you could stick a knife in her brain then leave her in a cell for like 1000 years and then take the knife out and shed be fine, i think, unless her brain got mushy of something

Originally posted by ReD-SpideR
why is everyone so fixated on Claires healing power?

who said what happen to kensei was healing?

there 2 other possibilities your all missing...

1: If kensei does have a power and "healed" himself, it isn't healing, more like.. he died, then was re-set to point before death, his wound didn't really heal itself, it more.. rapidity re-appeared to normal as if he is immortal not healing.

2: If you noticed Hiro had himself close to Kensei and was emotional about the death of his hero... did you possibly think that maybe, just maybe, Hiro reverse his psychical state to before he got arrowed.. (which mind you was a pathetic "death" lol)

kinda like when he reversed the space continuem to stop the bullet from season1

Fusion123

10-04-2007, 10:05 AM

I don't think they are related. Claire ability to regenerate, slows down her ageing process. It doesn't make her immortal. She will eventually die within 200 years. But i do believe Kensei is immortal. When Kensei died. I believe he was resurrected. Not necessarily healing.

Mischael12

10-06-2007, 01:52 PM

Well actually wouldn't regeneration speed up the aging process?

Unless if she literally creates new cells.

See regeneration would be based off the cells growing new cells, but that also requires energy so the cells weaken, but if she literally just makes new cells that would mean she would stay immortal for awhile.

Merfish

10-07-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Mischael12
Well actually wouldn't regeneration speed up the aging process?

Unless if she literally creates new cells.

See regeneration would be based off the cells growing new cells, but that also requires energy so the cells weaken, but if she literally just makes new cells that would mean she would stay immortal for awhile.
correct!so she would grow old but look really healthy and such

MiKal-El

10-07-2007, 11:28 PM

Has anyone considered that Kensei is really Linderman? Since his power was to heal things, wouldn't it follow that he could heal himself (unless of course his brain was destroyed like DL did).

If he does turn out to be Linderman, the casting director deserves majors kudos as the actor make an excellent young Malcolm McDowell -- right down to the facial expressions and inflections in his voice.

Opinions?

STFanatic

10-07-2007, 11:36 PM

I know Wiki has to be taken at face value on being accurate, but Heroes Wiki says:
"Kensei possesses the ability of rapid cell regeneration. Like Claire, Takezo is sometimes unable to regenerate if an object is inside of his body until that object is removed. (Lizards) "

http://heroeswiki.com/Takezo_Kensei

Originally posted by MiKal-El
Has anyone considered that Kensei is really Linderman? Since his power was to heal things, wouldn't it follow that he could heal himself (unless of course his brain was destroyed like DL did).

If he does turn out to be Linderman, the casting director deserves majors kudos as the actor make an excellent young Malcolm McDowell -- right down to the facial expressions and inflections in his voice.

Opinions?

Here is a comparison:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/AVYs/Kensei.gif

MiKal-El

10-07-2007, 11:48 PM

Interesting comments from Wiki. I also noted this comment in the theory link:

"...Linderman had the original Kensei sword in the first place"
http://heroeswiki.com/Theory:Takezo_Kensei

The connection seems to be that Linderman and Kensei "knew" each other in the original 9. Hmmm.