Every 24 hours & 39 minutes...

[xrayvision]

Does anyone think Martian Manhunter go to Mars every 24 hours & 39 minutes (the length of a Martian day in Earth time) to move Bizarro to the side of Mars that has daylight? If not, Bizarro can recover at night and then use his speed to constantly stay in the part of Mars where it's night until he's strong enough to fly back to Earth.

[hemmy]

My guess is Bizarro is more than a 1 episode foe.

[MidgardDragon]

Bizarro is definitely returning. I do wonder if he put him on Mars, though. It seems like he might've tried to get rid of him more permanently then that. If he did take him to Mars maybe he buried him deep in the surface. I seem to recall some MM story in the Justice League cartoon that indicated the martians having underground tunnels or something.

[Queenrocks77]

Why wouldn't MM just fly him to the sun or something?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Queenrocks77
Why wouldn't MM just fly him to the sun or something?

The Galactic Trade Federation tolls are prohibitive.

[Minela]

The damn Trade Federation! I can't believe the Senate is letting them get away with what they did on Naboo. It's outrageous!!!

[MidgardDragon]

Someone brought it up in another thread, but I'll repeat it, MM couldn't fly him into the sun because fire is his biggest weakness.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Someone brought it up in another thread, but I'll repeat it, MM couldn't fly him into the sun because fire is his biggest weakness.

Ah, but the sun does not burn hydrogen, it fuses into helium.

Important difference.

Yeah, that's a lame excuse.

[MidgardDragon]

Well, there's always the fact that he's not nearly as strong as Clark in this incarnation either. He got his guts ripped out, after all. I'm sure the sun would just bun him to a crisp either way.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Bizarro is definitely returning. I do wonder if he put him on Mars, though. It seems like he might've tried to get rid of him more permanently then that. If he did take him to Mars maybe he buried him deep in the surface. I seem to recall some MM story in the Justice League cartoon that indicated the martians having underground tunnels or something.

Would he gain his powers in the darkness though? I know they said kryptonite strengthens him. What about darkness? If sunlight heals Clark, perhaps Bizarro can not only be healed by green-k but by darkness as well. They need to do something to make him a better match against Clark. Kryptonite is in limited supply whereas sunlight is renewable. So right now, it seems like Clark would always kick his ass.

I think they will run into an inconsistency. If Bizarro beats Clark at night, then they will set a precedent that Clark is weaker and easier to beat at night, which is not true of the classic Superman. This remains to be seen though.

[MidgardDragon]

Well, it's not true of Superman, but as of this episode, at the very least, when fighting a super villain Clark gains a MAJOR advantage by being in the sun. When he bleeds from super punches he can be healed by the sunlight, but if there is no sun for him to heal he can just continue to get pummeled and not heal.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Does anyone think Martian Manhunter go to Mars every 24 hours & 39 minutes (the length of a Martian day in Earth time) to move Bizarro to the side of Mars that has daylight? If not, Bizarro can recover at night and then use his speed to constantly stay in the part of Mars where it's night until he's strong enough to fly back to Earth.

LOL!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I think Bizarro is dead.

[Kal-ed]

Unless AlGough want to change that, Superman´s body (Clark´s) works like a batery, he absorbs light Yellow sun. That´s why he has powers even at night. Now the logic I can think of is that when he is getting hit by the sun, it would be like talking on your cell phone while charging it, the charge rate is higher than the consumption rate so the battery is not only not loosing power but increasing it. Same with clark, he is using his energy while gaining, maybe when he is in direct contact with solar rays his charging rate is much higher, hence he is stronger.


Originally posted by ginnyfan
LOL!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I think Bizarro is dead.

AlMiles said he wasnt and that he´ll be reapearing through out the season.

I wonder if TW gets payed double for playing Bizarro Clark?? :lol:

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Well, it's not true of Superman, but as of this episode, at the very least, when fighting a super villain Clark gains a MAJOR advantage by being in the sun. When he bleeds from super punches he can be healed by the sunlight, but if there is no sun for him to heal he can just continue to get pummeled and not heal.

The main reason I brought this up was because in episodes like Zod and Asylum (after Eric Summers beat him up with Clark's own powers he stole), Clark still heals even though those well defined rays of sunlight aren't hitting him. It was night in Asylum when that happened, and in Zod, it was a partly cloudy day. If anything, I'm guessing they're following that Superman Returns scene where Superman flies above the clouds to expose himself to direct sunlight. It still doesn't match the comics canon, but not many things on TV or in the movies do.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The main reason I brought this up was because in episodes like Zod and Asylum (after Eric Summers beat him up with Clark's own powers he stole), Clark still heals even though those well defined rays of sunlight aren't hitting him. It was night in Asylum when that happened, and in Zod, it was a partly cloudy day. If anything, I'm guessing they're following that Superman Returns scene where Superman flies above the clouds to expose himself to direct sunlight. It still doesn't match the comics canon, but not many things on TV or in the movies do.

I explained this in my post above.

ETA: Also a cloudy day doesnt interfere (at least not significantly) when it comes to sun light absortion, look at plants, they can go months and months in rainy forests and still getting the light they need to perfor photosintesis.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Unless AlGough want to change that, Superman´s body (Clark´s) works like a batery, he absorbs light Yellow sun. That´s why he has powers even at night. Now the logic I can think of is that when he is getting hit by the sun, it would be like talking on your cell phone while charging it, the charge rate is higher than the consumption rate so the battery is not only not loosing power but increasing it. Same with clark, he is using his energy while gaining, maybe when he is in direct contact with solar rays his charging rate is much higher, hence he is stronger.


I guess I could buy that. The only thing though is that given the amount of solar energy he has absorbed, he should be able to be in total darkness and still heal for quite a while until needing exposure again. This will have to be the case for the day Clark fights Doomsday. In the comics, the battle against Doomsday lasted very long (I think it was days). Without absorbing such vast amounts of power to keep him charged for a very long time, he would have succumbed to Doomsday much sooner and wouldn't have killed him.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I guess I could buy that. The only thing though is that given the amount of solar energy he has absorbed, he should be able to be in total darkness and still heal for quite a while until needing exposure again. This will have to be the case for the day Clark fights Doomsday. In the comics, the battle against Doomsday lasted very long (I think it was days). Without absorbing such vast amounts of power to keep him charged for a very long time, he would have succumbed to Doomsday much sooner and wouldn't have killed him.

Yup I never said, he neede to recharge everyday, in fact im trying to remember exactly what issue numbers (of comics) but I can remember a couple of Arcs where Superman spent days maybe weeks in a diferent Galaxy (away from a yellow sun) and still had his usual power.

[xrayvision]

I was wondering last year why Clark didn't have powers in the Phantom Zone since he had lots of solar energy stored in him. I guess the PZ does something to Kryptonians where it strips them of powers. Only thing is--why could the phantoms fly? I would think Jor-El would have prevented that. Supposedly the PZ is a more humane way to trap prisoners. I would think he would prevent the phantoms from killing other prisoners.

[MidgardDragon]

Jor-El could rip the essence from it's body, but I seriously doubt he had control over what that essence could do. Flying around things is still less lethal then the alternatives.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I was wondering last year why Clark didn't have powers in the Phantom Zone since he had lots of solar energy stored in him. I guess the PZ does something to Kryptonians where it strips them of powers. Only thing is--why could the phantoms fly? I would think Jor-El would have prevented that. Supposedly the PZ is a more humane way to trap prisoners. I would think he would prevent the phantoms from killing other prisoners.

Well our writers dont often take the time to think things through. Its like Clark´s powers, its ridiculous that they can be taken away from him and they cant be transfered, its like taking away a birds ability to fly without cutting its wings or adding extra weight. He´s particular molecular structure (defined in his DNA) happen to work as batteries for Sunlight so he has his abilities, so taking that away from him would mean morphing his DNA code into something else and mutating that of who is gaining his powers :confused: :confused: So theoretically Clak should have kept his powers inside the phantom Zone unless his DNA was affected inside the zone or something inhibited the stored energy in his cells, so it couldnt be used or released.

[xrayvision]

I just hope they clarify if darkness is another healing factor for Bizarro. If he's the opposite of Clark, then I would think so.

[Drakaun]

I don't think so, cause that would mean darkness is a weakenss to clark. If anything besides green k can make bizzarro stronger, it would have to be the rays of a red sun, at least that is what removes superman's abilities in the comic world, ther has been no reference to it at all in this show, but I am gonna go with that anyway until I am told otherwise.

[Tacitus]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The main reason I brought this up was because in episodes like Zod and Asylum (after Eric Summers beat him up with Clark's own powers he stole), Clark still heals even though those well defined rays of sunlight aren't hitting him. It was night in Asylum when that happened, and in Zod, it was a partly cloudy day. If anything, I'm guessing they're following that Superman Returns scene where Superman flies above the clouds to expose himself to direct sunlight. It still doesn't match the comics canon, but not many things on TV or in the movies do.

He can still use his healing factor at night because of the solar energy stored inside his cells. When the stored energy decreases to very low levels, that's when he's in trouble. The reason he heals faster in direct sunlight after he has been completely drained is because he recharges faster than just sitting in the shadows (during daylight of course). Wait .. there are no shadows at night .. Silly me :p


Originally posted by Drakaun
I don't think so, cause that would mean darkness is a weakenss to clark.

Exactly. Darkness is not an energy source for Bizarro, just like darkness doesnt drain Clark, he just doesnt recharge. Only green-k recharges Bizarro.


Originally posted by Kal-ed
Well our writers dont often take the time to think things through. Its like Clark´s powers, its ridiculous that they can be taken away from him and they cant be transfered, its like taking away a birds ability to fly without cutting its wings or adding extra weight. He´s particular molecular structure (defined in his DNA) happen to work as batteries for Sunlight so he has his abilities, so taking that away from him would mean morphing his DNA code into something else and mutating that of who is gaining his powers :confused: :confused:

That has been bugging me for a very long time. It appears as if on Smallville, his powers aren't derived from his biological makeup but they are mystical in nature.


So theoretically Clark should have kept his powers inside the phantom Zone unless his DNA was affected inside the zone or something inhibited the stored energy in his cells, so it couldn't be used or released.

Well, to be completely fair, even in the comics the effects of the Phantom Zone vary from story to story. Sometimes all inmates are stripped off their powers immediately, but sometimes they last for a while. In Clark's case, until he uses up all the stored energy.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Drakaun
I don't think so, cause that would mean darkness is a weakenss to clark. If anything besides green k can make bizzarro stronger, it would have to be the rays of a red sun, at least that is what removes superman's abilities in the comic world, ther has been no reference to it at all in this show, but I am gonna go with that anyway until I am told otherwise.

Then this version of Bizarro is at a huge disadvantage. As much kryptonite as there is, it's still limited. The sun's radiation will be around for a whole lot longer. And the effects of all that green-k he absorbed barely had an effect. When he was exposed to sunlight, it already severely weakened him.

I think they should have made each kryptonite absorption he does charge Bizarro's body with as much energy as the sun does for Clark. Going forward, I think they should have Bizarro altered so that the sun no longer weakens him and only blue-k does. Perhaps this could happen at the expense of his mind, causing him to turn to the classic Bizarro.

[bin11001010]

Originally posted by Kal-ed

I wonder if TW gets payed double for playing Bizarro Clark?? :lol:

Probably not. there is only 42 minutes in an episode and Bizzaro will just eat part of Clark's normal screen time.

[adromidon]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The main reason I brought this up was because in episodes like Zod and Asylum (after Eric Summers beat him up with Clark's own powers he stole), Clark still heals even though those well defined rays of sunlight aren't hitting him. It was night in Asylum when that happened, and in Zod, it was a partly cloudy day. If anything, I'm guessing they're following that Superman Returns scene where Superman flies above the clouds to expose himself to direct sunlight. It still doesn't match the comics canon, but not many things on TV or in the movies do. My theory is that when he is fighting a huge and powerful foe like Bizzaro he focuses more of fighting not healing so his healing slows to provide him with more strength. On the flip side if he focused on healing in battle he may heal but still get pummeled just heal from it