Clark knows...I'm pretty sure of that now

[AndiGirl]

I'm not sure If I'm posting this in the right area...so sorry if I'm not! Any way...I think this episode made it obvious that Clark knows Lana is alive. Like people were saying....there are too many things that were off. Like, Clark not crying for Lana. He was close to tears when he found out about Chloe...and nothing for Lana?? I find that hard to believe. ( even though...as a Chlark fan I would love that! haha).

Then...I really think Clark was listening for Chloe in the hospital after he found out she was dead. Someone said.."why didn't he listen to Lana then?" Good question...could it be becuase he knows she's alive???

Then...When he is hugging Chloe, I don't think Clark was upset over losing Lana...he was upset that Chloe was so heart broken..when he knows the truth about Lana, and can't tell her. The same with Lois...he looks upset, but I think it's mostly due to guilt that he can't share this secret.

I guess the bottom line is...he really would be more upset if Lana was truly dead. In the episode in season 5 he couldnt stand the pain..and made a deal with Jorel to bring her back. Does anyone else think this episode shows that Clark really does know, or is it just me??? :confused: :lol:

[eas]

I thought that, too -- until the scene where he says that was ready to kill Lex because he hated him so much for killing Lana. Then I got confused again.

[niki]

Or maybe he's just really in denial and just really really furious at Lex right now, and decides to focus on that anger with Lex instead of his sadness that Lana is dead.

That's just my two cents. :)
But you could very well be right!

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by eas
I thought that, too -- until the scene where he says that was ready to kill Lex because he hated him so much for killing Lana. Then I got confused again.

I think he wants to kill Lex for a lot of reasons...and he just left that out when talking to Chloe? He did want to kill him...but he has wanted to do that a lot of times. When he almost didn't stop that thing being shot at Lex (In the episode w/Chloes mom). He wanted to kill Lionel on many different occasions. I think he was just telling her...that he has those horrible thoughts, and he's afraid he can be bad or good.

[Minela]

I don't think Clark knows. He wouldn't lie about someting like that. Esspecially to Chloe.

[maitriniazngurl]

^^^ yeah I know... this is sooo confusing!

[AndiGirl]

I think he would lie to Chloe if Lana's life depends on it...He knows it's dangerous territory right now for Lana...and having anyone know (even Chloe) could jeopardize her life. Maybe??? haha. Who knows! I think it's all pretty confusing too!

[Khyla]

I'd have said you might have had something there, until I remembered Clark telling the MM that Lana's death made him realize some stuff about him not being human ......etc. , unles he was using quotes around "death".

And I really can't see him lying to Chloe, unless Lana made him promise not to tell her or anyone else.

[MidgardDragon]

I would think that Clark knows, but there's no reason for him to have attacked Lex like that if he knows. So no, he doesn't know, and he didn't help her fake her death.

[Ilovebeinglost]

I even thought that in the season finale. His reaction wasn't normal.


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I would think that Clark knows, but there's no reason for him to have attacked Lex like that if he knows. So no, he doesn't know, and he didn't help her fake her death.

yes I forgot that. Why would he go after Lex if she was alive

[CountryGirl84]

maaaaybe he is getting over Lana. All that stuff he said to MM about losing Lana taught him not to care so much anymore, or something like that. Besides when he lost Lana the last time they were in the midst of dating, and at this point he hasn't actually had her for a long time.

I don't think he thinks she's alive, and as for the "why can't he listen for Lana" well Lana isn't screaming at the top of her lungs by any means so what would he be listening for exactly?

[mctor]

I dont think that Clark knows Lana is alive. just because he didn't cry does not mean he was not upset..... Clark did not cry for his dad until the episdoe after he died

[MidgardDragon]

re: not crying, he also didn't cry because he was trying to stay strong and comfort Chloe. Chloe was freaking out without even realizing how bad it must effect Clark, then she realized and went to hug him, but he still held it in because he was trying to be strong for her sake.

[CountryGirl84]

About the Clark not crying part, or never crying, from an acting perspective, when male actors start blubering all over themselves they just look comical and very unmanly. Who wants the man of steel to be a puddle of goo, he's emotional enough as it is. And most men, even in real life (most not all of course) do crying in an "I'm crying but I'm holding it in" kind of way, which I thought he was doing when he was hugging Chloe. And MidgardDragon has a point too about him being strong for Chloe.

[LKent113]

I am still not 100% that he knows but his reaction when Chloe hugged him and and was talking about Lana being gone, makes me think that he does know the truth, he seemed almost torn like he knew something more. I guess we will find out hopefully soon....Lana is alive so when she returns we will know for sure. Either way I would like to know how the death was pulled off

[superspider02]

Yea i doubt he knows she is still alive.

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by LKent113
I am still not 100% that he knows but his reaction when Chloe hugged him and and was talking about Lana being gone, makes me think that he does know the truth, he seemed almost torn like he knew something more. I guess we will find out hopefully soon....Lana is alive so when she returns we will know for sure. Either way I would like to know how the death was pulled off

Thats what I thought too...he seems like he is hiding something. Like...it's not that he's sad...it's just something else. I do agree with everyone...I know Clark isn't the crying type...thats cool. I just think it's weird how emotional he got over Chloe, and not over Lana....to me, there has to be more there. I know he may have just been in denial...but, then why wouldn't he just be in denial over chloe too? He finds out Chloe is dead...and freaks out. I guess...he could have finally had enough and broke down. I don't know...I'm contradicting myself now! :lol: I guess we will just have to wait and see. I guess...I can understand why Clark would lie to Chloe....if Lana's life depends on it, Clark is willing to do a lot of things.

[operadiva]

Clark does not know lana Luthor is alive..he did not even think to try to find out if she is alive....He did not even give it a thought...oh..well...i guess she does not means that much too him as he is trying to make himself believe...

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I'm not sure If I'm posting this in the right area...so sorry if I'm not! Any way...I think this episode made it obvious that Clark knows Lana is alive. Like people were saying....there are too many things that were off. Like, Clark not crying for Lana. He was close to tears when he found out about Chloe...and nothing for Lana?? I find that hard to believe. ( even though...as a Chlark fan I would love that! haha).

Then...I really think Clark was listening for Chloe in the hospital after he found out she was dead. Someone said.."why didn't he listen to Lana then?" Good question...could it be becuase he knows she's alive???

Then...When he is hugging Chloe, I don't think Clark was upset over losing Lana...he was upset that Chloe was so heart broken..when he knows the truth about Lana, and can't tell her. The same with Lois...he looks upset, but I think it's mostly due to guilt that he can't share this secret.

I guess the bottom line is...he really would be more upset if Lana was truly dead. In the episode in season 5 he couldnt stand the pain..and made a deal with Jorel to bring her back. Does anyone else think this episode shows that Clark really does know, or is it just me??? :confused: :lol:

Not only does Clark know, I think he helped her pull it off. Nobody but Clark knows she's alive and he can't tell anybody. Not even Chloe

[KrissO]

So the only explanation of Clark attacking Lex would be so Lex would never think Lana is alive and Clark that helped her :)
And remember, Lex knows Clark pretty well, he can easilly tell if he's hiding something.

Who knows, maybe Clark even used superspeed to get Lana from her car to the icecream van.

So if Clark really did help pull this off... they've gone to EXTREME lengths. Lying to friends, acting...
But if they did... the finishing scene where both are looking at the moon would explain everything.
Tbh, Lana looked a little surprised... while Clark had a minor expression change.

Anyway, I haven't actually jumped to this conclusion yet ;)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I'm not sure If I'm posting this in the right area...so sorry if I'm not! Any way...I think this episode made it obvious that Clark knows Lana is alive. Like people were saying....there are too many things that were off. Like, Clark not crying for Lana. He was close to tears when he found out about Chloe...and nothing for Lana?? I find that hard to believe. ( even though...as a Chlark fan I would love that! haha).

Then...I really think Clark was listening for Chloe in the hospital after he found out she was dead. Someone said.."why didn't he listen to Lana then?" Good question...could it be becuase he knows she's alive???

Then...When he is hugging Chloe, I don't think Clark was upset over losing Lana...he was upset that Chloe was so heart broken..when he knows the truth about Lana, and can't tell her. The same with Lois...he looks upset, but I think it's mostly due to guilt that he can't share this secret.

I guess the bottom line is...he really would be more upset if Lana was truly dead. In the episode in season 5 he couldnt stand the pain..and made a deal with Jorel to bring her back. Does anyone else think this episode shows that Clark really does know, or is it just me??? :confused: :lol:

Perhaps that scene with the Moon at the end was him looking out because he knew she was out there but couldn't speak to her so she could stay safe.

[KrissO]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Perhaps that scene with the Moon at the end was him looking out because he knew she was out there but couldn't speak to her so she could stay safe.

Well said. Damn I'm actually starting to believe it's Clark now lol.
Especially how she got to China so fast...

[boingo]

Interesting theory.....it does kind of make sence in a wierd way lol But one thing that still puzzles me with this whole scenario is; what did they hope to accomplish? I mean I understand why Lana would go to such extremes but why would Clark help her? Did they both agree this was the only way....and decided to separate and take care of Lex at the same time?

I don't know....something is still missing from this whole storyline....realistically I really do think someone would have had to help her in some way....in resources, setting up the car bomb, escaping the scene...etc. I mean it would be impossible to do all that alone and REALLY unrealistic....but this is Smallville. At first I thought it would be Lionel (felt guilty for the situation she was in and all) but it appeared he was set up to witness it...why? And then I thought maybe Green Arrow (he also has the resources) but I don't see him not telling Clark...Clark would be the next logical choice but then I go back to the why.....Anyway, I really don't know :confused: Which in a way it is good because I am really looking foward in finding out......I just really hope the writers give a good explanation to all of this and not brush it off somehow with some "easy button" resoultion....

[xrayvision]

Now that I think of it, I hope Clark wasn't involved, because if he was and if this sends Lex over the edge, then Clark will have a big hand in that. If Clark were to teach Lex a lesson, he should have continued being an investigative reporter like he was in Shattered (I just watched it; couldn't believe how advanced and proactive he was then) and expose Lex or make him answer for his sins.

[boingo]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Now that I think of it, I hope Clark wasn't involved, because if he was and if this sends Lex over the edge, then Clark will have a big hand in that.

I wouldn't want that either....I want Lex to be already over the edge lol like he was before he saw his angel (Kara)....

[Angelina2809]

Yes, it is srange! I thought that Clark would be fall into a deep depression! Clark cried and screamed as Alicia was dead, he cried as Jonathan was dead and he was close to cry after he heard from the doctor that Chloe died.
Maybe he is still in shock. You know Clark. He is not a person who is always crying. He is hiding his feelings - well he is trying to hide them. But after Chloe know his secret he talks with her about his fears etc. She is a good friend!
Maybe Clark need time to let his feelings out!

[foreversmallville]

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I'm not sure If I'm posting this in the right area...so sorry if I'm not! Any way...I think this episode made it obvious that Clark knows Lana is alive. Like people were saying....there are too many things that were off. Like, Clark not crying for Lana. He was close to tears when he found out about Chloe...and nothing for Lana?? I find that hard to believe. ( even though...as a Chlark fan I would love that! haha).

Then...I really think Clark was listening for Chloe in the hospital after he found out she was dead. Someone said.."why didn't he listen to Lana then?" Good question...could it be becuase he knows she's alive???

Then...When he is hugging Chloe, I don't think Clark was upset over losing Lana...he was upset that Chloe was so heart broken..when he knows the truth about Lana, and can't tell her. The same with Lois...he looks upset, but I think it's mostly due to guilt that he can't share this secret.

I guess the bottom line is...he really would be more upset if Lana was truly dead. In the episode in season 5 he couldnt stand the pain..and made a deal with Jorel to bring her back. Does anyone else think this episode shows that Clark really does know, or is it just me??? :confused: :lol:


I said this at the end of last season...I'm happy someone finally agrees with me.

I really think that Clark helped Lana...because Clark would do anything for Lana...he loves her. If Lana felt that she needed to disappear for awhile...then I think Clark would agree to it...just long enough for Clark to figure out what LEX is up to...and that is why I think Clark went along with it.

Last season Clark knew that Lex was doing something really bad...and that with Lana living in the mansion she was in danger. I forget what episode it was...but Clark came through a window into Lana's bedroom with Lex right outside the door. Clark and Lana both knew that Lex had many secrets at that time. The stuff on Lex's computer that Lana found proved to her that she was in danger. All of this convinces me that Clark went along with it because he didn't want Lana to get hurt. Also wasn't there another scene last season where Chloe made the remark about not making Lex angry because it would put Lana in danger with her living in the mansion???

Like you said things...Clark's emotions mostly...were way off during Thrusday's episode. He wasn't sad over losing Lana...Clark was feeling guilty over hurting Chloe....not telling Chloe...who was very emotional over Lana's death...the truth.

Also the looking at the moon scene sealed this belief for me...Clark and Lana can't be together right at that moment...but by both of them looking at the moon...they are together.

Of course this is just my opinion...and I could be completely wrong...but I just believe this could be a stong possibility.

[xrayvision]

Clark & Lana should become professional wrestlers and form a mixed tag team called C-crets (Clark) & Lies (Lana).

[foreversmallville]

Someone made a remark in another thread that Clark's emotions were more denial over Lana's death.. I could believe that...but someone helped Lana fake her own death. If it wasn't Clark...then the only other person would be Lional.

[adromidon]

or ollie

[HowardFilms]

I watched the episode again...

When he hugs Chloe, you'll notice he smiles slightly. I think Chloe is taking emotional pain away from him the same way she took physical pain from Lois. She takes it as her own, that's her power. That's why she was really, really upset too.

[AndiGirl]

I'm so happy so many of you agree! For awhile i was doubting my theory...but I really am almost certain he knows. Which if that is the case...we can expect a big blow up when Lana comes back. Chloe, Lois...all of the people wont be happy to find out Clark has kept this secret from them....even if he does have his reason. Especially after Chloe cried her eyes out on his shoulder. There's no way he is getting out of this one. I agree with the moon theory...it seems they both know the other is looking at that moment. Through the entire episode Clark looks like he is hiding something...granted, i could be imagining this because it's what i want...haha! But he really seems torn. I guess we will see.

I don't know if this was another clue...but after Chloe and Clark hug...Clark says "there's a lot of ppl out there who need our help right now." Could he possibly have been referring to Lana???

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

well if all this turns out to be true that clark helped lana escape lex by faking her death it goes to show that TPTB dont respect the character of superman

whethere lex getting framed for the murder of lana was in there plans or not lex an innocent man in this plan got framed and arrested, charged and jailed

every1 try explaining that 1

[MidgardDragon]

I won't explain that one because there's no way Clark helped her fake her death. ;) So let's not go off whining about the writers when they've not even done anything yet.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I won't explain that one because there's no way Clark helped her fake her death. ;) So let's not go off whining about the writers when they've not even done anything yet.

i agree clark didnt help out i know TPTB havent done anything yet i just think its ridiculous that people keep insisting on bringing down the character

superman he can be a BDA at times with his choice in girlfriends and the decisions he makes in life but to assume clark had ANYTHING! to do with lanas escape is just decimating the character of superman he wouldnt stand to have an innocent man be accused of murder

clark didnt like it himself being tossed in jail in season 2 and he didnt like his dad jonathan being framed for attempted murder so why the hell do it himself

[83kaL]

Then why would he let her go? That's making me think too much, he would let her go after she knows his secret? That's not too obvious

[pizzaguy19]

he doesn't know, imo.

He wouldn't have gone for lex so bad if he had any idea what Lana had done. I think we can explain his other actions (or non-actions, really) for lana because he's finally getting a clue. Clark isn't in love with Lana, he's in love with the idea of lana. She's his high school crush, the last memento of a normal, human life he has. She's keeping him in the past and away from his destiny because he's trying to ignore being a superhero in order to satisfy Lana and be with her.

We already saw this in the episodes where Clark lost his powers and had a go with Lana "with no secrets." Chloe was the voice of reason "I can't help but think your destiny is a little bigger than raising a barn" or whatever. So hopefully Clark's realizing this a bit, and when Lana's lying *** get's back to Smallville he'll be able to do what he needs to do and put her behind him. She's controlling, self centered, and possesive, NOT the things Superman needs in a love interest.

[TheSupaMan]

He doesn't know, and that's guaranteed.

His emotions and the season finale alone aren't the ones of someone who KNEW that the love of his life is actually living and not dead.

[Dean_19]

Clark isn't as upset as he was in Reckoning because he's only been told Lana is dead. He hasn't seen it happen or seen a dead body. This means it just hasn't 'hit him' yet. We all know what thats like, when something so terrible happens it just doesn't sink in, unless it happens in front of your face.

Plus Clark is afraid Lana is dead obviously, but because he's only been told that third hand and obviously no one has found a body he's has hope that she is in fact alive...that's why he's not going insane with grief at the moment.

[HowardFilms]

Everyone ignored my post... :(

[MidgardDragon]

That's because he didn't smile in that scene, HowardFilms. He gulps and holds back tears.


Originally posted by Dean_19
Clark isn't as upset as he was in Reckoning because he's only been told Lana is dead. He hasn't seen it happen or seen a dead body. This means it just hasn't 'hit him' yet. We all know what thats like, when something so terrible happens it just doesn't sink in, unless it happens in front of your face.

Plus Clark is afraid Lana is dead obviously, but because he's only been told that third hand and obviously no one has found a body he's has hope that she is in fact alive...that's why he's not going insane with grief at the moment.

I think so far it's just been a combination of not having time (dealing with Bizarro) to let it hit him, and being in denial/not wanting to admit she's dead. Personally, I know I don't really admit such a tragedy to myself until I sit down and have a good cry.

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
i agree clark didnt help out i know TPTB havent done anything yet i just think its ridiculous that people keep insisting on bringing down the character

superman he can be a BDA at times with his choice in girlfriends and the decisions he makes in life but to assume clark had ANYTHING! to do with lanas escape is just decimating the character of superman he wouldnt stand to have an innocent man be accused of murder

clark didnt like it himself being tossed in jail in season 2 and he didnt like his dad jonathan being framed for attempted murder so why the hell do it himself

There's nothing innocent about Lex. He murdered at least 30 people last season and thats probably a really low guess. Remember all the soldiers he murdered while creating an invisible supersoldier? He murdered that guy at the wedding in cold blood himself

Lana probably knows a lot of stuff about what Lex has really been doing. She probably told Clark what she knows and thats when they came up with the plan to protect her from him

Usually Lana and Clark are the ones asking questions. Now they flipped the script and took control for once

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
There's nothing innocent about Lex

so i guess that makes it ok for lana to plan her escape at the expense of lex who is an innocent man in the PLAN to be framed for murder


Lana probably knows a lot of stuff about what Lex has really been doing. She probably told Clark what she knows and thats when they came up with the plan to protect her from him

so your on the bandwaggon for those who believe that clark helped lana escape thats really good to destroy what makes superman superman his moral and values to fight for truth and justice, and never let innocent people get hurt

lex was out of order for what he did but he didnt deserve to be framed for murder, jail him for the murders he caused not the 1's he didnt, lex is innocent in lanas plan and she succeded in having him framed for her murder way to go in excusing lana and saying lex deserved that

[Dor el]

Originally posted by Minela
I don't think Clark knows. He wouldn't lie about someting like that. Esspecially to Chloe.

Hey, we're talking about Clark L. Kent here. Plus, I thought the "look" he had when he was with Chloe was guilt out of not telling Chloe that Lana is alive and letting her mourn for Lana. He just doen't seem that sad to me. Nothing like his reaction to Lana's death in Reckoning. Something is up. (BTW L stand for liar.)


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I would think that Clark knows, but there's no reason for him to have attacked Lex like that if he knows. So no, he doesn't know, and he didn't help her fake her death.

Wouldn't this "attack" seal everyone's opinion that Clark truly believes Lana is dead. If Clark showed no reaction toward the man supposedly killed Lana, no one would buy such passiveness. such lack of action from Clark in this situation. good cover I think.


Originally posted by operadiva
.he did not even think to try to find out if she is alive....He did not even give it a thought...oh..well...i guess she does not means that much too him as he is trying to make himself believe...

Maybe he didn't have to go x-ray the coffin like he did when Chloe dies because he knows she is not in that coffin. I must wonder though, did the authorities pull a body from he blown up car? 'Cause if they did, then that means a body was put there from somewhere and Clark probably wouldn't be an accomplice to desecrating a body. Certainly not killing someone in that explosion. So maybe the authorities will say there was no body due to the extremely hot explosion.


Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
well if all this turns out to be true that clark helped lana escape lex by faking her death it goes to show that TPTB dont respect the character of superman

whethere lex getting framed for the murder of lana was in there plans or not lex an innocent man in this plan got framed and arrested, charged and jailed

every1 try explaining that 1

Lex did push her to the point that she felt she had no choice but to fake her death in order to get away from him. So, in a sense, Lex is responsible for Lana's desperation. Not Clark. Clark would be, if he indeed did help Lana, trying to help save Lana and saving people is very Supermanly. I suspect that allowing Lex to take a fall for a crime he actually did not commit is not in Clark's plan,

[SVSpector]

The only other people other than Clark who are fast enough to pull this off are Fla....er..uh....Impulse or MM. Lana had to get away from the explosion. Lex didn't cause the explosion...Lana couldn't pull it off alone. I would not be surprised if the Justice League under Ollie's direction performed the rescue and relocation or MM cooked it up to get Clark to begin his training. Clark doesn't know yet......

[luvinChlark]

Im sorry but I think you have got it wrong, the next episode says that Clark will go to start his training with Jor-el, because there is nothing left for him since Lana is dead!!


(I'm pretty mad at that, there are a ton of reasons for him to stay but since Lana is gone he leaves-what a moron)

[Dor el]

Originally posted by SVSpector
The only other people other than Clark who are fast enough to pull this off are Fla....er..uh....Impulse or MM. Lana had to get away from the explosion. Lex didn't cause the explosion...Lana couldn't pull it off alone. I would not be surprised if the Justice League under Ollie's direction performed the rescue and relocation or MM cooked it up to get Clark to begin his training. Clark doesn't know yet......

I really don't know who helped her, but could Lex really have planned the explosion to kill Lana and then replace her with a compliant clone? Lana told him she was leaving him and Lex responded by saying something like, "do you think I'm just gonna let you walk out of here." But, wouldn't it be ironic if someone told Lana about Lex's plan (Lex certainly had employees who didn't like what he did) and Lana somehow arranged for the clone to be blown up in the jeep while she made her escape. That would explain the fingerprints on Lana's death certificate. That might even allow enough leeway to believe that no one helped her fake her death. Lana told Clark she was leaving, perhaps she had her plan all worked out and decided not to include Clark in on it to, for what other reason,;) protect him. What if Lex thinks he really did kill Lana and now he is looking for the clone (if there is a clone) to replace the real Lana by his side. Maybe some of the tears that Lex is shedding is because he thinks Lana is dead and that he really did do it? I may have missed it, but did Lex deny that he killed Lana? He made a point to punctuate "all the things I've done" when he was talking about the angel saving him and giving him another chance. If Lana found out about Lex's plan to kill her, then she would surely have to hide out until she could figure out how to come back to Smallville. Maybe Lex isn't looking for her because he is sure she's dead.

Just random thought going through my head.