Mistakes/Inconsistencies & Plotholes in Bizarro

[xrayvision]

Post about the inconsistencies you found in Bizarro here.

[superhippie2000]

Bizarro is bad ass and smart.

[adromidon]

"Me want Bizzaro episode not air" as Bizzaro would say in his native tounge lol

[Bigx07]

Bizarro looks cool. I hope he kicks clark ass some more

[Krypton935]

I know one..it will end wayyyyyyy too soon!!!

[MarkAllan22]

Will we get an explanation of how Kara's ship got below the dam?

And how it just happened to be the same dam Lex was using.:rolleyes:

[superhippie2000]

not sure if we will see her ship in this episode but based on the pics of her ship in this episode it looks rustty and how can alein technology be rusty.

[prometheus04]

Okay I know why clark's always in Red and Blue. Smallville Highs colors, but why kara wearing them??

[attitudejc]

i know that this probably seems odd and random...but chloe was wearing a yellow jacket while she was in the hospital..but in the dam she was wearing red...:confused: just something i noticed

[Sub Snake]

How LaVa got her clothes? Does it matter really tho?

[MidgardDragon]

Clark's in Red and Blue for mythos reason, he doesn't care about The Crows now that he's out of school. Kara's in them for the same reason.

[Routh]

Oh, the whole episode? :p

- How the phuck is Lex going to explain the dead guy in his jail cell, or how he escaped, for that matter? Bizarro ripped the guy's organs out, and it'll never be brought up again.

- Lana got to China in a few short, short hours. Not even remotely possible. Phantom/Bizarro occurs over ONE day, and China being a communist country and requiring passports and Visas, I high doubt Lana could get there and get an apartment so fast.

- I guess Lex isn't going to wonder why Bizarro needed meteor rock to kill Clark. Lex knows Bizarro is super strong, so why would Bizarro need ANYTHING to kill Clark? Lex will never ask again.

- After all the trouble Bizarro goes through to kill Clark, he just knocks him out and walks away so Clark can heal. WTF? Bizarro's whole motivation was to kill Clark.

- No one will ever question Chloe's death. The doctors and nurses know, and despite Chloe burning the certificate, THEY STILL KNOW.

- WHERE THE PHUCK IS SHELBY!?

[U-d]

there was this last fighting scene where clark knocks out the bizarro to the sky and i think i saw clark flew to the sky too, but the transition after that was showing clark at the same spot he knocked out the bizarro, staring at the sky (as if he didnt fly)?
i dunno i think that's weird..did anyone catch that small glimpse?

[MidgardDragon]

It wasn't Clark that flew and caught Bizarro, it was Martian Manhunter.

[U-d]

oh you're right! there was red stuff too..

[eas]

In the time it takes Lois to get to Lex's house, she stops and take a shower, freshens her make-up and changes her clothes. Then, when she's there, she asks Clark how he got there so fast. Well, if she stopped to do all those things, then of course he would have gotten there before her. And, frankly, it was OOC for her to do all that when she was so worried about her cousin.

[Super Maverick]

Lios is hot.

[Honey45]

Originally posted by eas
In the time it takes Lois to get to Lex's house, she stops and take a shower, freshens her make-up and changes her clothes. Then, when she's there, she asks Clark how he got there so fast. Well, if she stopped to do all those things, then of course he would have gotten there before her. And, frankly, it was OOC for her to do all that when she was so worried about her cousin.

Good point.
Also, she didn't notice Clark changed as well.

[MidgardDragon]

The only one that really stood out to me is: did Lois never go back to the hospital? If she did she'd find out Chloe was dead then freak out about seeing her in The Talon. Why'd she go there before going back to the hospital? Doesn't make much sense. Probably the first "mistake" that's ever really stood out to me on Smallville, but it's still pretty minor.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Clark's in Red and Blue for mythos reason, he doesn't care about The Crows now that he's out of school. Kara's in them for the same reason.

Plus the Crows' colors are yellow/red.

[MidgardDragon]

:lol:

I figured that the Crow's colors weren't blue and red, because I never remembered seeing them in that, but hey the answer is still the same.

[Eeyore840]

What about the little boy in the dam with Lois and Chloe? Was that the kid who was possessed by the last phantom? I thought the people who were possessed by the phantoms all died when the phantoms exited their bodies. So how could this kid be alive?

[MidgardDragon]

Yes, that was the kid who was possessed by the last phantom. It may be that they died after the phantom left them, but it's likely that the studio told them they had to show that the kid was okay, since this is primetime TV.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Super Maverick
Lios is hot.

Do you mean Laos? Yes, it's hot there.

Lois is pretty hot too.

:p

Lana's Shanghai surprise I am willing to overlook because we have no time frame. It could have been a week later or a month.

[MSGirl]

Did you notice that the fight scene is the same in Zod, with the same rock & the same tree.

Also when supergirl save Lex, she's totally dry, and Lex is all wet.

When Lois is in the hospital, she didn't has any blood in the jacket and shirt.

[Kii]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
The only one that really stood out to me is: did Lois never go back to the hospital? If she did she'd find out Chloe was dead then freak out about seeing her in The Talon. Why'd she go there before going back to the hospital? Doesn't make much sense. Probably the first "mistake" that's ever really stood out to me on Smallville, but it's still pretty minor.
That's something I noticed as well. Bugged me when Lois barely acknowledged Chloe was back from the dead.

[BABarracus]

how about no one notices clark disapear in a crowded hospital hallway

or why didnt bizarro just save some kryptonite and kill clark his he has all of clarks memories i guess his intelegence is allready leaving him

in the earlier season with pete they stumble upon a warehouse built apon kryptonite why didnt he just go there im sure there was a lot more there then what lex had

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by BABarracus
how about no one notices clark disapear in a crowded hospital hallway

Crowds are the easiest place in the world to disappear unnoticed from. Now if it was a hallway with just a few people it'd be different.

[Spirit Detective]

Whatever happened to Raya's crystal? Under the depths of Reeve's Dam. Is it still intact?

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by Routh
- Lana got to China in a few short, short hours. Not even remotely possible. Phantom/Bizarro occurs over ONE day, and China being a communist country and requiring passports and Visas, I high doubt Lana could get there and get an apartment so fast.

This one isn't really a goof. If you look at the first nighttime scene when Clark and MM talk, the moon is a waxing crescent, then in the Lana in China scene, the moon is half full, meaning that the Lana in China scene has to take place weeks after the rest of the story.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Spirit Detective
Whatever happened to Raya's crystal? Under the depths of Reeve's Dam. Is it still intact?

Raya's crystal or Kara's crystal? Raya's crystal was used to restore the FOS at the end of Fallout. Kara's crystal she likely took with her when the dam burst and released her.

[SecretzNLyz15]

I'm surprised no one caught this, but when Clark and Chloe were listening to the news report on the radio, the man said 'Lana LANG', not Lana Luthor.

Mistake or hint?

[Lone Soul]

No, the radio DID say Lana Luthor

[SecretzNLyz15]

No, it said 'Lang'.

[MidgardDragon]

It said the MARRIAGE of Lana Lang to Lex Luthor. It was talking about it in the past tense, i.e. she was Lana Lang then married Lex Luthor.

[Lone Soul]

Ah, alright. I'm tired and didn't feel like re-watching it tonight haha

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Raya's crystal or Kara's crystal? Raya's crystal was used to restore the FOS at the end of Fallout. Kara's crystal she likely took with her when the dam burst and released her.

Raya's (or actually Jor-El's) crystal. Clark tried using that against the phantom as it rushed towards him and it was knocked out of his hands. I hope they don't treat it like they did the dagger and the pieces of Brainiac's power source last season. Though based on what someone said here, the power source may be returning. I really really hate it when they have items that are so important like the dagger & power source and then they forget about it. How likely is it that Lex wouldn't find those lying on the floor and do something with them?

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
The only one that really stood out to me is: did Lois never go back to the hospital? If she did she'd find out Chloe was dead then freak out about seeing her in The Talon. Why'd she go there before going back to the hospital? Doesn't make much sense. Probably the first "mistake" that's ever really stood out to me on Smallville, but it's still pretty minor.

I think they decided to keep her away from the hospital, for plot reasons, they didnt want to deal with Lois asking questions, like Routh said, its bad enough leaving us to wonder why Lex being (acoording to DC canon) one of the greatest minds in the world, will never ask why Bizarro Clark (superstrong) needed meteor rocks (Lex knows are the weakness of Kryptonians) to kill Clark.

[MidgardDragon]

I think the crystal shattered. We see Clark try to use it against the phantom in Phantom, but it doesn't work, and it's highly likely that that destroyed it. For some reason I was thinking there was clear indication that it shattered, but I can't go back and look at the episode at the moment.

[xrayvision]

My guess is that he dropped it. I think if it shattered, Zod may have been released. Then again, does Zod exist anymore? If his essence was consumed to revive the FOS, then Zod should be bye bye.

This is where my theory on Lionel recombining the pieces of Brainiac's power source (the pieces that Baern didn't absorb) to revive the FOS at the end of Fallout would allow Zod to return one day. It would make sense since they didn't show who revived it and they never showed Clark going back there after Fallout. So theoretically, they could get away with such an explanation.

[MidgardDragon]

I'm thinking that the crystal probably just transports phantoms back to the PZ, and is charged by doing so, rather than using their essence to charge it.

[Pal-El]

Lionel shaved his beard off while he was unconscious at the damn......

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Pal-El
Lionel shaved his beard off while he was unconscious at the damn......

Who knows what that weird dude/dudette in the gloves and boots did to Lionel. Maybe they have some sort bizarre stranger shaving fetish.

[ChlarkMe]

Clark asking where Chloe was. Wouldn't he see them roll her out of the room? He knew where they were working on her so how could he miss it?

[Kal EL2380]

Heres one. Bizzarro was wearing all black in the season finale. He is suddenly wearing blue and red in the premiere. No biggy

[Kii]

Originally posted by Kal EL2380
Heres one. Bizzarro was wearing all black in the season finale. He is suddenly wearing blue and red in the premiere. No biggy
At the beginning, Bizarro was wearing the same clothes that he was at the end of 'Phantom'. But when he went to the Kent farm to recharge on some Kryptonite, he raided Clark's 'stash' of jackets.

[tededr]

I was wondering if the person flying to Bizzaro wasn't Supergirl and she inadvertantly "saved" him and it wasn't the Manhunter?

[spotteddog]

When MM and Clark were in the barn, MM said "I can help you but you have to deal with Bizzaro" (something like that). That red streak at the end was MM. My question - what did MM do with Bizarro ?

[xrayvision]

He moved him to the day side of Mars. The thing though is that days on Mars are 39 minutes longer than Earth, so he will have to go up there and move him around, keeping him in daylight constantly. My theory is that if he is allowed to stay in the dark, he will heal. If not monitored by MM, he can constantly move around to the night parts of Mars until he fully recovers and then fly to Earth. He will be weakened by the sun until reaching Earth of course, but then he can recover again.

[rollergirl42]

How do we know that Bizarro is really destroyed just because Clark bashed him up toward Mars does it really mean he made it up there to be destroyed?
Lois did not seem releaved that Chloe was alive. All she said was you have to explaining to do. You would think she would hug her or something. Maybe it will be on the DVD deleated scene? Chloe still does not know about her abilities and how Lois came back to life. and that she was responsble.

[Superboy2]

So MM flew and took Bizarro somewhere, maybe holding him somewhere for when Clark has to fight him again. Another trial maybe? Lana has money and power, she could've had a private jet or something. Lois not acknowleding Chloe coming back from the dead is odd. Same with doctors and such. Raya's crystal may not have any effect. Lex will have some serious explaining to do bout that gurad and getting out.

I'malso ticked that all of his super soldiers are gone. I was hoping for a JLA/super=soldier fight would happen.

Why is Bizarro's heat vision different? It looked like electricity.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Superboy2
So MM flew and took Bizarro somewhere, maybe holding him somewhere for when Clark has to fight him again. Another trial maybe? Lana has money and power, she could've had a private jet or something. Lois not acknowleding Chloe coming back from the dead is odd. Same with doctors and such. Raya's crystal may not have any effect. Lex will have some serious explaining to do bout that gurad and getting out.

I'malso ticked that all of his super soldiers are gone. I was hoping for a JLA/super=soldier fight would happen.

Why is Bizarro's heat vision different? It looked like electricity.

I don't think it's another trial. I think he did it for containment purposes. But unless he moves him around to consistently keep him in daylight (since Mars has days & nights too; Martian day is 24 hours & 39 min), Bizarro will likely heal when it turns night where he is. Once he starts healing, he can move around to stay in the dark parts until he is fully healed and then return to Earth.

As for Lana's money & power, using a private jet could easily be tracked down by Lex. She definitely had a plan. She had an apartment set up with everything, so she had to be thinking about this for a while. And this was pretty much the day after the events of Phantom. I'm guessing Ollie's helping her.

The super soldiers were mostly recovered, though they aren't super yet since they were never injected with the peptide he got from the possessed kid. I think one of them was in the trailer (there was a female who seemingly gets kicked by Kara). The one missing is 503, which is probably the female (or Lana clone as it is speculated).

I'm not happy with Bizarro's abilities. I think they're straying too far from the classic Bizarro. I was really hoping to see freeze vision, heat breath, vacuum breath, and x-ray hearing (at least one of these abilities). I don't know what was up with his heatvision. Classic Bizarro has spotlight vision, but what we saw definitely wasn't that.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Kal EL2380
Heres one. Bizzarro was wearing all black in the season finale. He is suddenly wearing blue and red in the premiere. No biggy

Two things. One is, in the finale, he was wearing a very dark red shirt and a very dark blue jacket, not black. The other is, when he went to recharge with Clark's kryptonite, he ripped off his shirt, thus he had to replace, so he did so via Clark's clothes. I got about halfway through the premiere and started wondering why they changed his clothes from the darker colors to the lighter ones, too, but upon rewatching it's obvious when and why he changes. I do wish they hadn't changed it, though, Bizarro looked much more appropriate in the dark colors.


Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm not happy with Bizarro's abilities. I think they're straying too far from the classic Bizarro.

Smallville Bizarro is not and SHOULD not be the classic Bizarro. They gave him Clark's abilities and then when he got thrown into the power lines his heat-vision somehow got laced with the electricity. One little diversion like that is good enough. Besides, ice vision is the worst possible thing I could think of to see from a power on television, unless it was just an insta-freeze thing by looking at things and making them freeze, rather than true freeze vision a la Clark's heat vision only with blue icy effects.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Smallville Bizarro is not and SHOULD not be the classic Bizarro. They gave him Clark's abilities and then when he got thrown into the power lines his heat-vision somehow got laced with the electricity. One little diversion like that is good enough. Besides, ice vision is the worst possible thing I could think of to see from a power on television, unless it was just an insta-freeze thing by looking at things and making them freeze, rather than true freeze vision a la Clark's heat vision only with blue icy effects.

I'm not saying he should be the classic Bizarro, just more like him. By freeze vision, I envisioned (no pun intended) as being like heatvision instead with blue beams causing things to freeze up instead of glowing and bursting in flames (like heatvision does). That's what I was expecting. Don't you think that would be cool (again, no pun intended)?

[Superboy2]

Whats x=ray hearing?

[xrayvision]

That's an ability the comic version of Bizarro has. I never understood how it works though (how can he see through his ears?). That's one I would do without on this show. He also has headlight (or spotlight) vision where he emits light from his eyes. That's another I wouldn't have on this show.

But if done right, I think vacuum breath, freeze vision, and heat breath would be cool. Vacuum breath could be used to pull Clark away from sunlight or pull kryptonite towards him when he's down and needs it. Heat breath could be like heatvision, except a beam is shot from his mouth. Freeze vision could be like heatvision except the beam effect is an icy blue color and it causes freezing instead of glowing & incineration.

[Spirit Detective]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Raya's (or actually Jor-El's) crystal. Clark tried using that against the phantom as it rushed towards him and it was knocked out of his hands. I hope they don't treat it like they did the dagger and the pieces of Brainiac's power source last season. Though based on what someone said here, the power source may be returning. I really really hate it when they have items that are so important like the dagger & power source and then they forget about it. How likely is it that Lex wouldn't find those lying on the floor and do something with them?

I'm assuming that Lionel or Martian Manhunter recovered the dagger. As for the black box pieces, they're still left unaccounted for.

[olliejk]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't think it's another trial. I think he did it for containment purposes. But unless he moves him around to consistently keep him in daylight (since Mars has days & nights too; Martian day is 24 hours & 39 min), Bizarro will likely heal when it turns night where he is. Once he starts healing, he can move around to stay in the dark parts until he is fully healed and then return to Earth.

As for Lana's money & power, using a private jet could easily be tracked down by Lex. She definitely had a plan. She had an apartment set up with everything, so she had to be thinking about this for a while. And this was pretty much the day after the events of Phantom. I'm guessing Ollie's helping her.

The super soldiers were mostly recovered, though they aren't super yet since they were never injected with the peptide he got from the possessed kid. I think one of them was in the trailer (there was a female who seemingly gets kicked by Kara). The one missing is 503, which is probably the female (or Lana clone as it is speculated).

I'm not happy with Bizarro's abilities. I think they're straying too far from the classic Bizarro. I was really hoping to see freeze vision, heat breath, vacuum breath, and x-ray hearing (at least one of these abilities). I don't know what was up with his heatvision. Classic Bizarro has spotlight vision, but what we saw definitely wasn't that.




Wow you guys are reading too much into this "sunny side of Mars" thing. Best bet would have been to put him in orbit around the sun itself. The Mars reference could be just euphemistic (and a nice reference to the “Martian Manhunter”).

[cloisinmyheart]

when i was watching the episode,

in the beginning you know when he uses his heat vision and completely evaporates all the water to save the little boy and his dad?

why didnt clark just pick the dad and boy up and run away instead of wasting all that water!! cmon clark, be a little eco-friendly

[Honey45]

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
when i was watching the episode,

in the beginning you know when he uses his heat vision and completely evaporates all the water to save the little boy and his dad?

why didnt clark just pick the dad and boy up and run away instead of wasting all that water!! cmon clark, be a little eco-friendly

All that water pressure would have killed all the trees, animals, homes, buildings, etc. in it's way.
Water is eco friendly. Flooding is not.

I think the evaporation thing was a little... cheesey.

He evaporated all the water coming out of the dam. I got that. But what about the hole in the dam? We never saw him fix it. More water would have just kept pouring out. Unless he evaporated the whole lake, which I doubt.

[xrayvision]

I think freezing it would have been better. It would have been a great time to show him using freezing superbreath. He could have also used superbreath to blow the water back into the hole and patched up the hole while blowing. That's what happened in one of the superman movies with the oil tanker ship (Superman III). This was a great opportunity to use superbreath and they didn't take it.

As for the water evaporation, I guess it would go back up into the clouds and come back down as rain.

[Superboy2]

My guess is maybe something else brings Bizarro back, like Braniac

[Billy Jor-El]

Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard:

Chloe is clinically dead. She's toe-tagged and put in the morgue. Uh, no one in the hospital ever notices that her body is gone? The doctors will have no problem when she's spotted somewhere down the line walking down the street?

She wanted to leave to avoid being a guinea pig, but at some point some questions are going to be raised by medical officials as to what the F happened to her.

[MidgardDragon]

I think you gave away why this isn't a plot hole in your post. Somewhere down the line questions will be asked. It's a continuing plot thread, not a hole.

[Honey45]

Why didn't Lois' hand hurt when she slapped Bizarro after he grabbed her butt?

[bobsuncorp]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Why didn't Lois' hand hurt when she slapped Bizarro after he grabbed her butt?

I agree that she should have gone "Ow!" and shook her hand or something, but on the other hand, she is ALWAYS punching Clark, and that never happens, so it had to play out that way for continuity purposes. You are right though, one of the little things I always loved about the Lois and Clark series is the times when Jimmy would bump into Clark or something similar and you could see he'd just been bruised.

[Superboy2]

Plus it seems as if Bizarro isn't as invulnerable as Clark(the wirse went through him)

[Poweranimals]

Because he was weakened.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by eas
In the time it takes Lois to get to Lex's house, she stops and take a shower, freshens her make-up and changes her clothes. Then, when she's there, she asks Clark how he got there so fast. Well, if she stopped to do all those things, then of course he would have gotten there before her. And, frankly, it was OOC for her to do all that when she was so worried about her cousin.
this one bugged me as well. She's upset and she goes storming off to confront Lex and she stops to shower, change and redo her make-up?! Wait, what?

[AngelaV]

Originally posted by Routh
O- Lana got to China in a few short, short hours. Not even remotely possible. Phantom/Bizarro occurs over ONE day, and China being a communist country and requiring passports and Visas, I high doubt Lana could get there and get an apartment so fast.


I assumed Lionel was in on it so had everything set up for her.

[ClarksGal]

Lex said to Bizarro, "You're the Phantom." Does Lex know that he's a phantom? I mean, I know we know that, and that he's from the phantom zone, but Lex didn't know that did he? How did he know he was a phantom?

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Superboy2
Plus it seems as if Bizarro isn't as invulnerable as Clark(the wirse went through him)

I thought that was because he was outside in the sun.
When he grabbed Lois, he was inside.

[xrayvision]

From a scientific view, there is still sunlight entering the mansion. But since this is a TV show that doesn't care about that, it will have to be ignored.

[Superboy2]

There was sunlight in only certain areas of the room(its Smallville come on).

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by ClarksGal
Lex said to Bizarro, "You're the Phantom." Does Lex know that he's a phantom? I mean, I know we know that, and that he's from the phantom zone, but Lex didn't know that did he? How did he know he was a phantom?

As I said in another thread, Lex was tracking the creature and knew what it could do plus he saw it on the DVD. The obvious term for it is phantom. Phantom isn't a term exclusive to phantom zone escapees. It's a real term for the type of specter that these things look like.

[v3rlon]

Clark is invulnerable to most everything on Earth. When Bizarro smacks the living daylights out of Clark, I don't have a problem with Bizarro drawing a little blood from Clark's nose/mouth/whatever. Bizarro is in Clark's league.

HOWEVER, the rocks and debis that Clark gets knocked into wouldn't leave a mark on him. He wouldn't have all those extra scrapes and cuts to heal up in the sunlight so drammatically.

The scene LOOKED really cool, but I wwas thinking "Those are special effects dollars being wasted when they could be spent later in the season....with Clark flying or something..."

[Superboy2]

Very true^

[MidgardDragon]

If something as strong as you are knocks you with force into something, I'd say that something will scrape you up. It's not the object itself, it's the force of the thing that knocked you into it.

ETA: Think of it this way, if Bizarro was wearing a ring and punched Clark with it, thus leaving an imprint, it wouldn't be the ring that did the damage, it would be Bizarro, even though the imprint is form the ring.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by HeddyH
All that water pressure would have killed all the trees, animals, homes, buildings, etc. in it's way.
Water is eco friendly. Flooding is not.

I think the evaporation thing was a little... cheesey.

He evaporated all the water coming out of the dam. I got that. But what about the hole in the dam? We never saw him fix it. More water would have just kept pouring out. Unless he evaporated the whole lake, which I doubt. Glad I read through, somebody else thought the same as me! Even though it was cheesy and the water all evaporated in one moment, I still like the 'wink at the child then leg it' thing he did.


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
If something as strong as you are knocks you with force into something, I'd say that something will scrape you up. It's not the object itself, it's the force of the thing that knocked you into it.

ETA: Think of it this way, if Bizarro was wearing a ring and punched Clark with it, thus leaving an imprint, it wouldn't be the ring that did the damage, it would be Bizarro, even though the imprint is form the ring. OK, try and think of it like this. If A guy punches another guy wearing a ring made out of wafer, the wafer is not going to leave an imprint it's going to crumble. If a guy throws another guy into a big sheet of paper, it's going to rip the paper, not injure the guy.

[Superboy2]

Boulders and paper r 2 different things.

[sirconical]

Yeah, so is Kryptonian flesh and human flesh. My point was that a boulder may as well be paper to Clark. It isn't supposed to hurt him, no matter what force is used to throw him into it. I'm sure there are people out there who understand my point.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Superboy2
There was sunlight in only certain areas of the room(its Smallville come on).

Well, scientifically, there was sunlight all over the room otherwise the room would have pitch black areas (which it didn't).

It bugs me a little that they have to show Clark getting exposed to well defined rays to heal. That is just not true of Superman. Even in a room with curtains, he will heal. What bugs me more than this though is how often he had to recharge. They're making both Bizarro and Clark seem like wusses in this way (how Bizarro needs constant kryptonite and how Clark needs constant sunlight even though he's been absorbing it continuously since he's been out of the Phantom Zone). Clark, though not Superman yet, should have plenty of energy to fight Bizarro for days. The only reason I can understand why they did do that is because it would be no match if Clark was shown to have all that stored energy. I still say they should have Bizarro lose his vulnerability to sunlight at the expense of losing the sharpness of his mind (like in the comics) where green-k would make him temporarily normal. Instead of "me am Bizarro" I would have him talk normal but just say the opposite of what he means ("I will save you" would mean "I will kill you").

[Superboy2]

Its kinda odd how the sun is just now showing that Clark heals from it. Not in Talisman, not in other episodes where he would have needed to heal.

[sirconical]

I agree about the sunlight theory, it is a bit stupid that only direct sun rays would give him power. I feel I should point out though, artificial light means even if a room was 100% sealed off from sun light we would be able to light it. Isn't technology brilliant?

[Dor el]

Well, I enjoy Smallville despite all of the said inconsistencies and plot holes. It seems like we are so quick to jump on the bandwagon to criticize this show, yet I don't read nearly enough positive comments about the show. Perhaps, I am just missing those threads. I don't have time to read them all. This is a show about fantasy characters, some with fantastic abilities, in a fantasy place and time. It is a combination of fantasy and sci fi. Both genres I like. I think that over all, the show presents things pretty well considering they have only about 40-45 minutes to tell their stories. Superman in the comics is a character of great depth (for a comic character) and I can easily understand how difficult it might be to capture the character fully in the very colorful Superman world. I think the essence they are getting for the most part. there are things I would choose to do differently, but I still get Superman, the guy from Krypton, the powerful guy with the good heart and a keen sense of right and wrong and who has a great destiny to fullfil. I like that they show the role the sun plays in Clark's power. even if they may not show it exactly like I would prefer. I like that they show his vulnerabilty to green K. I like that they show his human side. Even if that side is flawed. I remember that it is that human side that makes him such a great hero. For me at least. Are there detours along the way? Yes. Are there distractions? Yes. Are there things that could be presented better? Perhaps. I'd much rather have SV as it is than have no CK/SM at all. So while I do notice things that aren't exactly right, I can forgive these. (But, I must say, sometimes the editing is questionable.)

End of rant. Thank you.

[limi]

about the whole sunlight thing, I thought that they were just exaggarating things a bit to show how Clark's powers result from the yellow sun. I also thought that fighting against someone with as much strength as yourself would be more exhausting than taking on a FoTW.
And about the scene where Bizarro throws Clark on the rock resulting in a small injuries for Clark, I thought that those injuries were a result of being hit by someone as powerful as he is, not from hitting the rock (like he was bleeding when Titan hit him...).

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Superboy2
Its kinda odd how the sun is just now showing that Clark heals from it. Not in Talisman, not in other episodes where he would have needed to heal.

The way they presented Kryptonian metal makes it seem like not even sunlight can repair the damage it causes. Or perhaps since he was stabbed and it damaged his internal organs, the sunlight would not be able to fix that and he would need surgery like humans. I don't know. From the comics mythos, he should just be able to heal with sunlight, but this is not the comics.

[Jack's_Son]

Anyone care to speculate on how Chloe, Lois, and presumably the boy, were transported to Smallville General after Clark discovered them?

[limi]

They probably carried Chloe, went to the nearest road and hitchhiked to the hospital or something like that. It's not really interesting, so they didn't waste time showing that.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
Bizarro is bad ass and smart.

I don't think this is inconsitant and a plot hole of Smallville. Because smallvilles Clark is dumb so the opposite of dumb is smart.

[Jack's_Son]

Originally posted by limi
They probably carried Chloe, went to the nearest road and hitchhiked to the hospital or something like that. It's not really interesting, so they didn't waste time showing that.

So Clark, the second fastest person on the planet, "carries Chloe, went to the nearest road and hitchhiked to the hospital or something like that"? Chloe? His BEST friend who is dying? Yeah, I guess that sounds right.

[Superboy2]

I think the person meant Lois hitchhiked. Clark came to the hospital after Lois and Chloe had gotten there. I don't know if ur being sarcastic or not.

[Jack's_Son]

Originally posted by Superboy2
I think the person meant Lois hitchhiked. Clark came to the hospital after Lois and Chloe had gotten there. I don't know if ur being sarcastic or not.

Well, as explained, I find it highly unlikely that Clark wouldn't just rush Chloe to the hospital. He's done it countless times before and I know this time there is the presence of Lois to consider. However, their scenes just jump from the wreckage of the dam, to Smallville General. So, I was wondering what the sequence of events were to get from dam to hospital. You suggest that Lois carried Chloe and hitched to the hospital or better still Clark carried Chloe to the road and let a hitchiker take Chloe and Lois to the hospital while he went somewhere else?

I'm afraid I can't buy Clark taking the hide-the-secret-at-all-costs way out when it comes to Chloe. I think the writers wrote themselves into a corner. It would have been more interesting if Clark had just said, to hell with it, Chloe's dying and I don't care if Lois knows. I know, I know, the writers have gone on record as saying that Lois cannot know until AFTER they meet at the DP. I just thought it was an odd bit of writing, that's all.

[randy23]

I'm not going to read through this entire thread; but the biggest inconsistency I saw was Bizarro's apparent grammar usage. I mean, from all the comics I've read, he doesn't speak like that. It's very disjointed and basically the opposite in terms of pronouns and adjectives.

[limi]

Jack's Son: We know that Lois didn't find out about Clark's abilities that day, and we also know that Lois would never allow Clark to just take her fataly injured cousin to the hospital on his own. Therefore, the only logical explanation is that they used a *normal* way to get there, together (Clark, Lois, Chloe and the boy). I suppose Clark was listening for Chloe's heart-beat to make sure she's okay and that if things've gotten worse he would've thrown caution to the wind and taken Chloe to the hospital himself. (He really needs to start carrying a first aid kit with him!)

[Jack's_Son]

Well, since I'm the only one that thinks the "normal" way wasn't consistent with the dire condition Chloe was in, it must be me just being anal. Thanks all, for your help in opening my eyes. :eek:

[TampaVille]

Hi all. A comment about Bizarro's use of grammar. That is neither a mistake, an inconsistency, nor a plothole. <rant> This isn't the first time we have seen SV diverge way, way, WAY off conventional Superman canon. For instance:

Lois living in SV
Lex living in SV
Brainiac being part of Zod's ship
Chloe even existing
Lex being born rich (standard canon has Lex being the self-made man via dubiously ethical means, not Lionel)
etc.

SV's writers clearly intended to go a very different direction with Bizarro than the comics did. And rightly so. The comics Bizarro would have been grossly out of place on Smallville. No matter how much of a gung ho diehard fan of the comics you are, do you really want to see TW on SV saying "Me am Bizarro!" and wearing a pendant that says "Superman No. 1!"

I'm glad the writers worked a bit of Superman mythos into the show with the Bizarro phantom. I'm also really glad that they basically used the name and a resemblance to the real Clark, and left the rest of Bizarro in the comics.

</rant>

[adromidon]

Maybe the powers that be decided that using Bizzaro speak as it has become known would be to confusing for the actors to memorize and the fans to interpret

[Clarkgirl8]

question: if there was Lana's death certificate, does this mean they found a body???
i read this somewhere and now im wondering...

[adromidon]

it is possible Lex was wining about model 503 missing maybe model 503 was a Lana clone

[xrayvision]

Yeah, I think he was talking about it in jail when his lawyer was talking about an alibi.

That scene made me wonder who recorded the conversation between Lana & Lex that was playing on the recorder (the one after Lex slapped her). I'm guessing it was Lionel or part of his plan. I think if there is a clone, it was the clone that was slapped and set up intentionally for that purpose.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by Jack's_Son
Well, as explained, I find it highly unlikely that Clark wouldn't just rush Chloe to the hospital. He's done it countless times before and I know this time there is the presence of Lois to consider. However, their scenes just jump from the wreckage of the dam, to Smallville General. So, I was wondering what the sequence of events were to get from dam to hospital. You suggest that Lois carried Chloe and hitched to the hospital or better still Clark carried Chloe to the road and let a hitchiker take Chloe and Lois to the hospital while he went somewhere else?

I'm afraid I can't buy Clark taking the hide-the-secret-at-all-costs way out when it comes to Chloe. I think the writers wrote themselves into a corner. It would have been more interesting if Clark had just said, to hell with it, Chloe's dying and I don't care if Lois knows. I know, I know, the writers have gone on record as saying that Lois cannot know until AFTER they meet at the DP. I just thought it was an odd bit of writing, that's all.

im pretty sure that they called an ambulance TO the scene...if you see the scene of chloe right before clark and lois talk, chloe has that neck brace thing on that they only use when they go somewhere and bring them back...you know...cause they are moving and all, they don't want to damage the spine or something...annyways, i personally think that they cut that scene where the ambulance arrives at the scene...just because it did seem a little incosistant.

[adromidon]

yes but that also makes you wonder how his attorney got the tape.

Maybe the clone was never activated but was simply placed in the truck so they would have a body to burry


Originally posted by attitudejc
im pretty sure that they called an ambulance TO the scene...if you see the scene of chloe right before clark and lois talk, chloe has that neck brace thing on that they only use when they go somewhere and bring them back...you know...cause they are moving and all, they don't want to damage the spine or something...annyways, i personally think that they cut that scene where the ambulance arrives at the scene...just because it did seem a little incosistant. in my opinion they should have shown Clark distract Lois then when she did not look grab chloe and run for the hospital

[randy23]

Originally posted by TampaVille
Hi all. A comment about Bizarro's use of grammar. That is neither a mistake, an inconsistency, nor a plothole. <rant> This isn't the first time we have seen SV diverge way, way, WAY off conventional Superman canon. For instance:

Lois living in SV
Lex living in SV
Brainiac being part of Zod's ship
Chloe even existing
Lex being born rich (standard canon has Lex being the self-made man via dubiously ethical means, not Lionel)
etc.

SV's writers clearly intended to go a very different direction with Bizarro than the comics did. And rightly so. The comics Bizarro would have been grossly out of place on Smallville. No matter how much of a gung ho diehard fan of the comics you are, do you really want to see TW on SV saying "Me am Bizarro!" and wearing a pendant that says "Superman No. 1!"

I'm glad the writers worked a bit of Superman mythos into the show with the Bizarro phantom. I'm also really glad that they basically used the name and a resemblance to the real Clark, and left the rest of Bizarro in the comics.

</rant>

Okay. Then if that's the case, Smallville and its entirety is an Elseworld story. I hope people don't really believe some of the backstories and character development they've created (the writers).

[limi]

Some of you might remember, from when Lana first moved in with Lex, that Lex's house is full of surveillance equipment. The police probably got a warrant and took the tapes.

By the way, why does everyone keep talking about a Lana clone? I don't remember anything on the show saying Lana has a clone...

[chantal]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
This one isn't really a goof. If you look at the first nighttime scene when Clark and MM talk, the moon is a waxing crescent, then in the Lana in China scene, the moon is half full, meaning that the Lana in China scene has to take place weeks after the rest of the story.

I saw an episode this summer, I can't remember which one, but we went from a full moon over the mansion directly to a crescent moon over the Kent barn!


Originally posted by HeddyH
He evaporated all the water coming out of the dam. I got that. But what about the hole in the dam? We never saw him fix it. More water would have just kept pouring out. Unless he evaporated the whole lake, which I doubt.

We did see another view of the lake. It's full up to the level of the gap in the dam.

About Raya's crystal, I slow-motioned through that bit, and the crystal shattered.

How many police cars came for Lex? Were there some not on the bridge? If so, they could have taken Chloe to the hospital, or called for emergency vehicles or even a helicopter.

About Bizarro punching Clark and then just walking away, could it be that he didn't know that he was weakened in the earth's sun and that Clark was strengthened by it? And therefore he thought that he had dealt a death blow to Clark? I would guess he isn't weakened by Krypton's sun, because he was supposed to be stronger than Kryptonians.

[saber8689]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but a MAJOR inconsistency i found was when bizarro met lex.

Lex said "the phantom..."

Since when does Lex know they are called phantoms?

[Iritscen]

Originally posted by bobsuncorp
I agree that she should have gone "Ow!" and shook her hand or something, but on the other hand, she is ALWAYS punching Clark, and that never happens, so it had to play out that way for continuity purposes. You are right though, one of the little things I always loved about the Lois and Clark series is the times when Jimmy would bump into Clark or something similar and you could see he'd just been bruised.

But... that doesn't make sense. Superman is super-tough, not super-hard.


Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
when i was watching the episode,

in the beginning you know when he uses his heat vision and completely evaporates all the water to save the little boy and his dad?

why didnt clark just pick the dad and boy up and run away instead of wasting all that water!! cmon clark, be a little eco-friendly

My thought was that evaporating that much water in a couple seconds would cause a shockwave that would level the entire forest if not Smallville itself. But since when have Superman stories been concerned with physics?

[adromidon]

he never specificaly mentions a clone

but he does keep harping and wining about a missing model 503 we are just speculating that model 503 could possible be a clone and that maybe that is what he was doing when he faked her pregnancy


Originally posted by saber8689
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but a MAJOR inconsistency i found was when bizarro met lex.

Lex said "the phantom..."

Since when does Lex know they are called phantoms? He knew they were phantoms because the term phantom is generalized. however he did not know they were phantoms from the zone


Originally posted by chantal
I saw an episode this summer, I can't remember which one, but we went from a full moon over the mansion directly to a crescent moon over the Kent barn!



We did see another view of the lake. It's full up to the level of the gap in the dam.

About Raya's crystal, I slow-motioned through that bit, and the crystal shattered.

How many police cars came for Lex? Were there some not on the bridge? If so, they could have taken Chloe to the hospital, or called for emergency vehicles or even a helicopter.

About Bizarro punching Clark and then just walking away, could it be that he didn't know that he was weakened in the earth's sun and that Clark was strengthened by it? And therefore he thought that he had dealt a death blow to Clark? I would guess he isn't weakened by Krypton's sun, because he was supposed to be stronger than Kryptonians. Intresting theory but they even mention in the first episode that the sunlight does weaken him he was stronger then Clark because he had absorbed alot of kryptonite

[saber8689]

Originally posted by adromidon

He knew they were phantoms because the term phantom is generalized. however he did not know they were phantoms from the zone



Why would he generalize them as phantoms? The reason clark calls them phantoms is because they are from the phantom zone. Why wouldn't lex refer to them as aliens...

[xrayvision]

This is a small plothole. I don't think a person who doesn't know about Kryptonians (like Lex) would look at that phantom and actually call it a phantom without being told that's what it is. I would think they would call it a creature or monster rather than a phantom. I don't really mind it though. I do think that it would be good having Lex start to pick up on Kryptonian terms like "phantom" (that is a Kryptonian phantom), "kryptonite" and "Phantom Zone" by studying Lionel's files on Kryptonian knowledge (which he probably keeps based on that Power symbol he wrote).

[adromidon]

What do you think of when someone says they saw a Phantom?

You think ghost aparition something intangable but exists that is what I ment

[xrayvision]

Yes, but Lex didn't see it as intangible. He saw it as a material creature killing his doctor and killing those people on the video from Argentina. Then again, he did see it possessing the kid and the guy in Quebec. A normal creature wouldn't be able to be material & intangible like that. Maybe he would call it a phantom. I think phantoms are more beast-like than ghosts, so phantom may be the proper term for him to use even though he had no knowledge of what it actually was.

[adromidon]

yeah I mean the term Phantom existed long before Smallville

[xrayvision]

I knew that. What I wondered is whether or not the term phantom would be the first thing that came to Lex's mind when he saw that creature.

[adromidon]

I could not think of another term to describe it

[saber8689]

apparition, wraith...

Considering he used it for the same purpose as titan, I'd think he would refer to them as aliens. The cells were the same in the phantom as in titan. He didn't call titan a phantom...

Personally, I don't think the directors had this in mind when they wrote the script. They simply made a mistake when they had Lex call it a phantom

[adromidon]

true well we may never know

[Superboy2]

When did Raya's crystal shatter?

[adromidon]

S6 finalie

[xrayvision]

Did it really shatter? I thought it was just knocked out of Clark's hands. I doubt it could shatter, at least not that easily. It would be an important way to bring back Zod if they ever plan to do that.

[saber8689]

Originally posted by Superboy2
When did Raya's crystal shatter?


When the phantom copied Clark's DNA

[Superboy2]

I gotta watch the episode again. I don't remember that happeneing.

[xrayvision]

I don't remember it shattering. I remember the Bizarro phantom ran into it (for an instant you could see it taking up the whole screen) and I don't think they showed it again. I just don't think a phantom should be able to shatter it. The next thing I remember them showing after the collision was Clark sliding backward. While he was sliding, you could see a dark figure splitting off and sliding in a different direction. That was Bizarro.

[adromidon]

someone said they saw it shatter upon slowing the scene down

[Superboy2]

Anyone have caps?

[Saber]

Originally posted by saber8689
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but a MAJOR inconsistency i found was when bizarro met lex.

Lex said "the phantom..."

Since when does Lex know they are called phantoms?

:eek: Whoa! Dude you got my on-line name. I guess it’s hard to be unique on these boards but I agree with that line of thought about Lex saying Phantom. I posted my opinion in another thread about that.
I guess if you’re going to use Saber, use it well Saber 8689. ;)

[aqgalaxy]

I noticed one.. The doctor who treated Chloe as a female...

The name of the doctor on the Death Certificate doesn't Match.. "John Burke" isn't a girl's name

[saber8689]

Originally posted by Saber
:eek: Whoa! Dude you got my on-line name. I guess it’s hard to be unique on these boards but I agree with that line of thought about Lex saying Phantom. I posted my opinion in another thread about that.
I guess if you’re going to use Saber, use it well Saber 8689. ;)


Heh... I've been using Saber since I was in the 6th grade =)

[Saber]

Originally posted by saber8689
Heh... I've been using Saber since I was in the 6th grade =)

Well I've been using it since the sixth grade also :D .
No harm, no foul.

[*#~ ClAnAfAn99210~#*]

Originally posted by prometheus04
Okay I know why clark's always in Red and Blue. Smallville Highs colors, but why kara wearing them??

haha dude, clark wears those colors because he likes them, not because theyre the schools colors

the schools colors are gold and red. hahahahahahah

[adromidon]

I am guessing that red and blue are the colors of the House of EL which would be why Kara wears them it conforts her

[Atomic girl]

I can't believe no one's mentioned this already: Lana hiding in Shanghai with a blonde wig. She looks Asian, so why not just go natural? She would blend in so much better....

what is up with that?

[adromidon]

someone said in another thread that she wanted to stand out

[Mattchew]

I guess Lex isn't going to wonder why Bizarro needed meteor rock to kill Clark. Lex knows Bizarro is super strong, so why would Bizarro need ANYTHING to kill Clark? Lex will never ask again.


Lex does not know that clark is vulnerable to green k becacuse he saw that bizzaro get strong when hes around it, any suspicons he had of clark been weak to it will now be erased as he has no clue they are opposite