Hiro is the "real" Kensi

[LOONEY]

what if the stories he was told were him changing the past after he found out that his hero was a scoundrel? or after he messed it all up he tries to convince Kensi and he refuses so Hiro has to change it.
It would explain why his dad named him "hero" if he knew it all along?
time travel leaves so so many holes

[jimmyolsenblues]

i totally agree. I felt hiro has to be Kensi. This guy can't be the Kensi.

[MidgardDragon]

The true Kensei has to be either Hiro or the swordsmith's daughter (with Hiro's help). There's no way the guy calling himself Kensei will be the one who did the things in the legends.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
The true Kensei has to be either Hiro or the swordsmith's daughter (with Hiro's help). There's no way the guy calling himself Kensei will be the one who did the things in the legends.

Probally, but it looks like what he read in the legends happend without Kensei really being a hero. he hired a guy to do it in his stead and then he gets all of the glory.

[LOONEY]

If Kensi falls in love with the daughter then it can't be her. But even without hiro i doubt she would have fallen for an englisman in the old japan.
He hires the other ppl as decoys right?they don't save the day the are a distraction.

[MidgardDragon]

I don't think any of the stuff from the legends had happened yet. Hiro arrived before Kensei was supposed to save the village, and somewhere along the way I thought that that was the first of his big deeds. I might have just been misinterpreting things, though. Since Kensei said no one had called him a hero and he hadn't heard of any of the stuff about the bear or the dragon yet, I'm pretty sure he was just a thug who was running his scam until Hiro came along, and the stuff from the legends is Hiro doing it dressed as Kensei because he knows in his future that Kensei was supposed to have done all of this stuff.

It's what's known as a self-fulfilling prophecy, I believe, as far as time-travel lingo goes.

[Joelito]

Yeah! this sure belongs to spoilers...but yes...I think Hiro is Kensi...see....things like this makea Heroes a good d@mn show..the unexpectable but logic...

PS: Learn Al Miles :rolleyes:

[Patient101]

Hiro definately is the 'real' kensi of legend. Did you guys see that preview clip of kensi standing all triumphant like near a tree or somthing with his fists on his hips? I will look for the pic but that is definately a hiro thing, plus he loves the stories so much and is a beast swordsman now so it only makes sense that he mugs the origional kensi, takes his armour and save japan. lol.

Well when i was looking for that image I just mentioned I found this on herosite's front page.... kinda gives it away a bit:

http://www.herosite.net/ew956.jpg

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by Joelito
Yeah! this sure belongs to spoilers...but yes...I think Hiro is Kensi...see....things like this makea Heroes a good d@mn show..the unexpectable but logic...

PS: Learn Al Miles :rolleyes:

Can't speak for everyone else, but I saw this coming as soon as the plot was laid out and we got to know more about the Kensei character. Hiro will become a hero in Japanese legends. Should be interesting how it gets to that point.

[Joelito]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Can't speak for everyone else, but I saw this coming as soon as the plot was laid out and we got to know more about the Kensei character. Hiro will become a hero in Japanese legends. Should be interesting how it gets to that point.
I can't wait :D
I have a few months with Heroes...so I'm rusty in uncovering spoilers :p

[Rafael122]

Ah...I didn't get into Heroes up until a few months ago and I watched Season 1 in like 4 days, so everything is still fuzzy for me too.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Joelito
Yeah! this sure belongs to spoilers...but yes...I think Hiro is Kensi...see....things like this makea Heroes a good d@mn show..the unexpectable but logic...

PS: Learn Al Miles :rolleyes:

And once people learn to compliment other good shows without insulting the writers of Smallville, this might be a good d@mn board too.

[LOONEY]

Not a spoiler at all, my opinion on what happened on monday. when in rome....thats why he has armour on he adapted to japan and the time to not stick out we don't know that is kensi's armour.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
i totally agree. I felt hiro has to be Kensi. This guy can't be the Kensi.
Hehe, I agree.
:)

[ShelbyKent]

Potential "Kensei's"

-Hiro: Won't that create a lot of plotholes? Won't Hiro be changing the future too much?

-The Englishman: Perhaps he becomes eventually into The legendary Kensei? After some advice and inspiration from Hero?

-Swordsmith daughter: intriguing concept......

-Princess: Isn't there supposed to be a Japanse princess? Did I remember the spoiler correctly?

[MidgardDragon]

-Hiro: Won't that create a lot of plotholes? Won't Hiro be changing the future too much?

If it were Hiro then we would be going down the route of self-fulfilling prophecy. He would do all the things he read about in the legends to make it match up exactly with the legends he read, thus no plotholes.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
If it were Hiro then we would be going down the route of self-fulfilling prophecy. He would do all the things he read about in the legends to make it match up exactly with the legends he read, thus no plotholes.
But didn't Hiro alter history already? Kensei was supposed to save the village of Otsu, and as we saw in the eppie, it was burning :(

Of course, Hiro/Kensei can still reclaim the village from the bandits much later...... *headache*

[MidgardDragon]

Well if we come in right where we left off from the last episode then he can still save it somehow, I'd think. The one thing that gives me a headache is they say Hiro can't change the past. Since he can't change the past, and the village is burning, couldn't he go back in time and save the village, since that's how it's supposed to happen? Either way I'm sure he'll be doing his best to make sure it matches up with the stories he was told.

[phelan120]

i think the sword smiths daughter becomers kensie's princess

[MidgardDragon]

That is how it's supposed to go, but the question is, who will be the Kensei she falls in love with, Hiro or Kensei?

[phelan120]

can hiro really not change the past or is it just that he really believes he can't

[MidgardDragon]

Not sure on that one, really. The episode that supposedly proved this to us was a good one, but this part of it irks me to no end. Basically, he went back in time to try to save Charlie from Sylar, then found out that she had a brain tumor and was going to die anyway. Why this "proved" that he can't change the past, I never really understood. I think if he really wanted to and it was important enough that he could. Just look at Future Hiro, he technically changed the past.

[phelan120]

i think it's the same thing as the sword. the sword didn't channel his power, but he believed the sword did

[The Ninth Doctor]

Originally posted by phelan120
i think it's the same thing as the sword. the sword didn't channel his power, but he believed the sword did

Exactley. What Hiro tells the viewers about his powers are not neccesarily completely accurate.

My theory on the Kensei sitch:


Kensei did similar things to the legends originally, but they were changed as told verbally thoughout history to the forms hiro heard. (IE he originally DID save Otsu, but by shooting the bandits in the back while the fake Takezo got shot himself, was changed to Kensei valiently defended Otsu and lay waste to the rampaging bandits with great honour. Another one: Kensei is an englishman who learned the ways of feudal Japan becomes Kensei was a barbarian who became a civilized warior.)


Now though, Hiro himself will cause the tainted tellings of Takezo's Tale (how's that for some nifty aliteration?) to actually come about.

[chlo-el]

I think Hiro does all of the things that the Legends says making him the real Kensei.