Ripper!

[constantine]

It's happening! The BBC comissioned a first series to see how it goes...Anyone care to speculate on the kind of themes it's going to tackle, and whether sarah or any of the buffy gang might be persuaded to guest star?

[Rafael122]

According to TV.com, it's going to be after Sunnydale, Giles wants to re-form the Watcher's Council and train new Slayers.

According to the same website, the actors who played "Andrew" and "Whistler" on Buffy are going to be part of the show.

I think the most likely person or persons to guest star on the show would be Sarah Michelle and Hannigan. That show will probably need as many Buffyverse and Angelverse characters as possible to guest star to get that show off the ground.

[chlarkfan333]

Can't say that I'd be interested, but you never know. If Spike were ever to make an appearance, I would be on board.:p

[Shadowlord367]

Very much interested. Hope the same Giles related English jokes are still in effect.

"Oxford... That's where they make Gileses!"

I doubt SMG will guest star, but you never know!

[ILuvLoVe]

NO WAY!!!! oh my god my excitement is like..off the charts right now:rotfl:

I never cared for WHistler..but ANDREW???? I ♥ Andrew!!!:D

oh god I am so excited:lol:...so okay it is going to be Anthony Stewart Head right?:p

I think really anyone could guess star on it...if they could fit in their schedules...it would be awesome to see Buffy, Willow, Xander or whoever else check in:)

[Shadowlord367]

Yep, Anthony said he was on board in an interview.

Melissa, won't this be fun? Now we can watch a Buffy series together!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Can't say that I'd be interested, but you never know. If Spike were ever to make an appearance, I would be on board.:p
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
:)

Sorry, I thought I knew my Buffy, but can someone remind me how this 'ripper' show is related to Buffy?
Thanks.

[Rafael122]

Well, Ripper is basically Giles' alter-ego in the sense that's who he was when he was younger. Its related to Buffy b/c Giles is her watcher. I really doubt they will go deep into his character's past because they've already gone through that.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Can you elaborate more on Giles' past......I can't believe I missed that much 'Buffy'.
:eek:
:(

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Can you elaborate more on Giles' past......I can't believe I missed that much 'Buffy'.
:eek:
:(

Ripper was not a pleasant chap, to put it mildly. I think ripper is going to be similar in tone to that of tochwood; more adult themes, and interestingly focused in the UK. I'd like to see xander in the show, and I'm more than curious to see if they'd get Alexis Denisof on board, being an ex watcher and all.

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Can you elaborate more on Giles' past......I can't believe I missed that much 'Buffy'.
:eek:
:(

Hmm, if you have the Buffy DVDs, watch Season 2, and episodes "Dark Age" and "Halloween." Ripper's basically a time period where Giles was into the dark arts. I think he was 21 at the time, dropped out of Oxford.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Hmm, if you have the Buffy DVDs, watch Season 2, and episodes "Dark Age" and "Halloween." Ripper's basically a time period where Giles was into the dark arts. I think he was 21 at the time, dropped out of Oxford.
Ah, thank you.......no, I do not have the DVDs.

[constantine]

Yeah...Ripper would take your kidneys and sell them on the black market, whereas giles would probably only take a bit of your lung. :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Sorry......but I still don't quite understand who exactly Ripper is........maybe I am slow.
:(
I obviously missed S2 of Buffy.

[sweet_whispers]

Originally posted by constantine
and I'm more than curious to see if they'd get Alexis Denisof on board, being an ex watcher and all.

If you watched Angel Series finale you would know that is somewhat impossible.

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Sorry......but I still don't quite understand who exactly Ripper is........maybe I am slow.
:(
I obviously missed S2 of Buffy.

Hopefully someone with more Buffy knowledge can explain it further, all I know is Ripper is the complete opposite of Giles. They are both the same person, but Ripper is much more rebellious. There's no magic involved, one doesn't change into the other. It's just a side of Giles that he doesn't want to show to people.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Aaaaaa, OK.
Thank you very much.
:)
Wow, that sounds really exciting........so, a different actor would be playing Giles then, I assume?
Cause it's a prequel, right?
I really liked the guy who played Anthony, he should do it.
:)

[constantine]

Originally posted by sweet_whispers
If you watched Angel Series finale you would know that is somewhat impossible.

How many times have they brought people back from the dead? :p I'm assuming that's what you mean...I gave up on angel.

And to simplify, Ripper is a kind of alter ego in the way that Superman is clark kent's alter ego; as a lad, Giles was very wilfill, and started playing with the dark arts in a very selfish manner. Ripper is very much a manifestation of a meaner, leaner Giles that doesn't have a problem with resorting to..er...alternate measures to achieve his goals.

And no, Tony Head will be at the front of the show.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
And no, Tony Head will be at the front of the show.
Wow, that's cool........so, it won't be a prequel then?

[constantine]

well, I'm guessing it'll be a continuing adventures thing. TV.com has a synopsis..

http://www.tv.com/ripper/show/4548/summary.html

[sweet_whispers]

Originally posted by constantine
How many times have they brought people back from the dead? :p I'm assuming that's what you mean...I gave up on angel.



Alot...I know...that is why I added the "somewhat" part :p :rotfl:

IMO I just don't see them bringing him back from the dead....Buffy, Angel and Spike were a diferent story and of course they all had a huge fan base. I like the character Wes don't get me wrong just not sure if they would bring him back.

[constantine]

it'll be interesting to see who the new watchers will be though

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
well, I'm guessing it'll be a continuing adventures thing. TV.com has a synopsis..

http://www.tv.com/ripper/show/4548/summary.html
Oh no......does that mean it's a one-time thing? Not a series???
:(

[constantine]

As far as I know, the BBC has comissioned an initial 13 episodes, which is standard in the UK for a season. Because they BBC isn't funded by advertising, it means the show will probably be an actual hour long.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
As far as I know, the BBC has comissioned an initial 13 episodes, which is standard in the UK for a season.
That's good news!!!
:)

Originally posted by constantine
Because they BBC isn't funded by advertising, it means the show will probably be an actual hour long.
That's bad news......
:(
We're probably not gonna see that in the US then.

[constantine]

fox are the guys who've comissioned it for the US

[chlarkfan333]

ILwC, "Ripper" is to Giles what Spike is to William or DarkWillow is to Willow. Apparently, Giles used to be quite the tough guy when younger. They never did explore it fully in the series, although there were several references. It was the "Ripper" in him, I think, that allowed Giles to kill Ben, conspire to kill Spike, and suggest killing Dawn. In his past, his "Ripper" persona dealt in black arts, and was presumably not quite the by-the-book Giles of the series.

[constantine]

meaning the show shold make for some fun :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
fox are the guys who've comissioned it for the US
Oh, no......FOX!!!
:(
Anyone remember 'Dark Angel'......?


Originally posted by chlarkfan333
ILwC, "Ripper" is to Giles what Spike is to William or DarkWillow is to Willow. Apparently, Giles used to be quite the tough guy when younger. They never did explore it fully in the series, although there were several references. It was the "Ripper" in him, I think, that allowed Giles to kill Ben, conspire to kill Spike, and suggest killing Dawn. In his past, his "Ripper" persona dealt in black arts, and was presumably not quite the by-the-book Giles of the series.
Thank you darling!!!!
;)


Originally posted by constantine
meaning the show shold make for some fun :D
Hell, yes.
:D
I'll be hanging around a lot here......

[ILuvLoVe]

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
Yep, Anthony said he was on board in an interview.

Melissa, won't this be fun? Now we can watch a Buffy series together! I know I cant wait!!:D:rotfl:


Ripper was just what Giles went by when he was young and rebellious and into dark magic...I wouldnt really consider it an alter ego...thats just my opinion though

well wont it be on BBC America?

I think they are bringing as many characters as possible back in the comic books:lol:....Wesley I think would be a great edition...I loved him and Giles in S3 together:lol:..although that was like nerdy Wesley:p.....I could see them bringing him back though..did we actually see him die die in the finale? I might have been crying too much:o..I love Wes....and I could see him a part of this show but the thing is his story kind of ended....he wouldnt ever be able to forgive himself for everything that had happened with Connor and then what happened with Fred......by the end of S5 Angel...Wes's best bet was death:lol:.....it would still be cool to see him though:p

the only Scoobies I could really see being a part of the show would be Willow or Xander....but Alyson had her show so I doubt she'd be reprising her role full time...and Xander has his own storyline in the comics so dont know where that is going.....like I really couldnt see Spike or Angel being a big part...Dawn maybe....and it would be cool to see Buffy pop up:D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
well wont it be on BBC America?
I can't afford cable. Only basic.
:(

Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
I could see them bringing him back though..did we actually see him die die in the finale?
I believe so, yes.

[ILuvLoVe]

awww:(

ya I thought so:p....but hey maybe Illyria didnt realize he was actually still alive....I know I am grasping:(

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Just the idea of Spike maybe, potentially coming back.......that would be so cool.
:p

[CallMeClark]

I don't get BBC. :( *pouts in the corner*

[constantine]

British people do! :D

[Pesk]

I doubt they will bring in spike, willow, illyria or faith... these are all characters that were supposed to have spinoffs of their own (illyria and willow would appear in the spike movie). I think joss is hoping the ripper show will renew people's interest in the buffyverse, and if its successful he might give spike or faith their own show instead. :D

I heard rumours that SMG may be returning for a cameo in Ripper though.

[constantine]

>.> the BBC don't comission shows in order to see how popular other routes might be

[chlarkfan333]

I'm confused. I thought it was supposed to be a movie.:confused:

[constantine]

Nooooo a 13 series comissioned by the BBC

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by constantine
Nooooo a 13 series comissioned by the BBC

Oh, ok. :lol:

Thanks. :D

[constantine]

np. :)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I would be seriously surprised if SMG made a cameo.......I mean, wouldn't people immediately ask for new BtVS epis???
:\

[constantine]

probably, but the BBC and Fox both have a habit of never giving people exactly what they want. Besides...I think the show will probably have more of a british feel.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

One more reason to bring back Spike.
:p

[constantine]

A...Californian with a bad cockney accent? o0 :p

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
A...Californian with a bad cockney accent? o0 :p
Yeah well, c'mon.......you have an unfair advantage!!!
:lol:

[constantine]

o0 I do? how?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Your profile says you're from the UK.
:p

[constantine]

lol...what's your point?

[Shadowlord367]

I'm so very excited for this show. Now we gotta get webmaster Craig to make a fansite for it!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
I'm so very excited for this show. Now we gotta get webmaster Craig to make a fansite for it!
I agree.
Can't wait.....

[CallMeClark]

Well, I guess I'll just have to wait until it is released on DVD since I can't watch it while it airs. Oh well.

And I agree, it is highly unlikely SMG will make an appearance.

[constantine]

nah it'll probably be released on fox after it airs on the BBC, as it's being co-produced by them. That nods towards there possibly being a bigger budget involved per episode.

[CallMeClark]

BBC shows are generally pretty good though. So I have faith.

[Rafael122]

You don't think Sarah will appear? It's not like she's doing much post-Buffy to begin with, in fact I'm beginning to sense some sort of curse or bad luck going on with that cast. It seems like David and Alyson are the only ones who have gotten regular work.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
nah it'll probably be released on fox after it airs on the BBC, as it's being co-produced by them. That nods towards there possibly being a bigger budget involved per episode.
Hmmmm, but if FOX co-produces it, this might actually soften the British angle, no?
Nothing wrong with that, I'm just sayin'....


Originally posted by Rafael122
You don't think Sarah will appear? It's not like she's doing much post-Buffy to begin with, in fact I'm beginning to sense some sort of curse or bad luck going on with that cast. It seems like David and Alyson are the only ones who have gotten regular work.
I think the problem is: as an actor you don't wanna be associated with one role, and one role only.
That's why, independent of her successes in the movie/TV business, one can pretty much exclude the possiblility that SMG would come back as Buffy.

But hey, the same could be said about James Marsters, and I do hope he'll come back as Spike.
:p

[constantine]

heh. after the last adventure the BBC and Fox co-produced, I'm fairly confident that the BBC wont be getting pushed around.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
heh. after the last adventure the BBC and Fox co-produced, I'm fairly confident that the BBC wont be getting pushed around.
.....and which one was that, my Cypriot friend?

[CallMeClark]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I think the problem is: as an actor you don't wanna be associated with one role, and one role only.
That's why, independent of her successes in the movie/TV business, one can pretty much exclude the possiblility that SMG would come back as Buffy.
That's exactly right. And now SMG considers herself a "big" star. She doesn't take on TV guest spots. She's been approached my several shows to appear as a guest star and won't... I have no idea the reasoning. David also gets a little touche when he talks about Angel... who knows.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

That's why I love James Marsters.......he still admits how much he loves Spike.
:)

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
That's why I love James Marsters.......he still admits how much he loves Spike.
:)

Me too. I find it laughable that SMG thinks she's 'star.' Really, what's her claim to fame since Buffy? Some crappy movies that few people will ever remember? DB, on the other hand is at least successful with Bones.

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
That's exactly right. And now SMG considers herself a "big" star. She doesn't take on TV guest spots. She's been approached my several shows to appear as a guest star and won't... I have no idea the reasoning. David also gets a little touche when he talks about Angel... who knows.

I saw an interview with David, I think it was with TV Guide and he definitely looked bothered when he was talking about Angel. All I can say about that is, he played that role for 8 years, that's what got you on the map...deal with it. Fans know you as Angel, not some FBI dude on Bones.

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
.....and which one was that, my Cypriot friend?

The doctor who movie back in 1996 mate. it was god awful, and had mostly fox influence

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Me too. I find it laughable that SMG thinks she's 'star.' Really, what's her claim to fame since Buffy? Some crappy movies that few people will ever remember? DB, on the other hand is at least successful with Bones.
Well, the actors have to try and move on, you know. It must be very frustrating if you're a young, motivated actor/actress and everyone in the entertainment industry treats you like you have a big, fat label on your forehead that says 'Buffy', or 'Angel'.......I don't blame SMG.
What's interesting though is that these guys usually get more offers to be in movies while they're in the series (and therefore don't have the time to make them), than after the series is over. Once your show is over or cancelled, no one seems to care anymore. That must also be tough.
:(


Originally posted by constantine
The doctor who movie back in 1996 mate. it was god awful, and had mostly fox influence
Thanks!
:)
I did not know that movie......

[chlarkfan333]

^ILwC, I do understand how typecasting can be problematic for actors, but I have little respect with actors who aren't cognizant of their skills. SM won an emmy before she was ever on Buffy, but Buffy is what she's most known for in the general populace. Then, she did terrible movies (Scooby, Grudge, etc) - are those really something she can boast about? What's more, from her comments during filming Buffy, she comes off are really ungrateful at times.

I remember Leonard Nimoy came out with an autobiographical book "I am not Spock" in his early years after ST. A decade or so later, he then put out "I am Spock," in recognition of just what a godsend that series was to him.

David Boreanaz was literally picked off the street and cast as Angel. Fear of typecasting is one thing, dissing the role that catapults one into fame, is another.

[constantine]

I was about to use star trek as an example...But besides that, wasn't sarah and freddie intent on playing homemaker for a while?

[CallMeClark]

Sarah has a very different personality, apparently.

If you look at all the DVDs she doesn't appear in one outtake. Apparently she was very serious about her job and wasn't friendly with any of the cast. As far as I remember, she only stayed friends with Seth Green. I have no idea what her MO is or was, but she's over Buffy. And that also makes me mad and kind of sad... She should take pride in it. As should David.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
I remember Leonard Nimoy came out with an autobiographical book "I am not Spock" in his early years after ST. A decade or so later, he then put out "I am Spock," in recognition of just what a godsend that series was to him.

David Boreanaz was literally picked off the street and cast as Angel. Fear of typecasting is one thing, dissing the role that catapults one into fame, is another.
Yes, you are right, of course...... I was making a more general point, to shine some light on the general motivation of these actors. I am not saying that they're right to do so.

I was wondering, what did SMG win an Emmy for, before 'Buffy'???


Originally posted by CallMeClark
Sarah has a very different personality, apparently.

If you look at all the DVDs she doesn't appear in one outtake. Apparently she was very serious about her job and wasn't friendly with any of the cast. As far as I remember, she only stayed friends with Seth Green.
Wow, that's really sad......
If only everyone could be as cool as William Shatner.
:p

[sweet_whispers]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe

I was wondering, what did SMG win an Emmy for, before 'Buffy'???




In 1995, she won the daytime emmy for Oustanding Younger Leading Actress for her role as Kendall Hart on All My Children.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by sweet_whispers
In 1995, she won the daytime emmy for Oustanding Younger Leading Actress for her role as Kendall Hart on All My Children.
Wow, thank you. That was quick.
:)
Hmmmm, and I always thought she was disovered for 'Buffy'.
To be honest, I was never impressed by her acting.
I only really loved JM, as well as DB in the later seasons +'Angel'.

[sweet_whispers]

You're Welcome! I saw your post and I used to watch AMC when she was on it and so I atuomatically knew.

I also used to watch a little show called Swan's Crossing and she played on it before AMC.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Wow, so SMG has been acting like.....forever.
Just like Allison Mack.
:)
I am always surprised that parents would allow that.
I mean, is it really good for a child to move into the entertainment industry at such young ages?
I doubt it.....
:\

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
^ILwC, I do understand how typecasting can be problematic for actors, but I have little respect with actors who aren't cognizant of their skills. SM won an emmy before she was ever on Buffy, but Buffy is what she's most known for in the general populace. Then, she did terrible movies (Scooby, Grudge, etc) - are those really something she can boast about? What's more, from her comments during filming Buffy, she comes off are really ungrateful at times.

I remember Leonard Nimoy came out with an autobiographical book "I am not Spock" in his early years after ST. A decade or so later, he then put out "I am Spock," in recognition of just what a godsend that series was to him.

David Boreanaz was literally picked off the street and cast as Angel. Fear of typecasting is one thing, dissing the role that catapults one into fame, is another.

Charisma has the same problem. She doesn't want to be type casted as Cordelia, she's been offered roles similar to that but she's turned them down. Why? Heather Locklear made her career off of playing a similar character, why can't Charisma? She should take whatever is offered to her if only to build up her resume.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Charisma has the same problem. She doesn't want to be type casted as Cordelia, she's been offered roles similar to that but she's turned them down. Why? Heather Locklear made her career off of playing a similar character, why can't Charisma?
I agree, HL is a good example. It can work, definitely.

[chlarkfan333]

The way I figure, typecasting is a damn sight better than no casting at all! So many actors fall into oblivion for fear of typecasting.

Anyway, to get back to topic, is there any info what the series is going to be about other than Giles training slayers post-series?

[constantine]

nothing to do with slayers training. the official word is that it'll be a kind of x-files gig, with giles solving mysteries around the UK. That's the current idea anyway - how different it'll be by the time it reaches the screen, is a guess.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by constantine
nothing to do with slayers training. the official word is that it'll be a kind of x-files gig, with giles solving mysteries around the UK. That's the current idea anyway - how different it'll be by the time it reaches the screen, is a guess.

Oh! Geez, I am clueless, it would seem. :lol: Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[ILuvLoVe]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Sarah has a very different personality, apparently.

If you look at all the DVDs she doesn't appear in one outtake. Apparently she was very serious about her job and wasn't friendly with any of the cast. As far as I remember, she only stayed friends with Seth Green. I have no idea what her MO is or was, but she's over Buffy. And that also makes me mad and kind of sad... She should take pride in it. As should David. ugh I agree! these actors need to realize they were on a cult show and therefore are always going to be known as that....afterall arent we the fans who are the biggest enthusiasts and supporters anyways? I mean honestly I wouldnt sit through one of SMG's movies if it hadnt been for Buffy....and DB...well wasnt he picked off the street?:confused: was he even trying to be an actor? he owes everything his career is or will be to Buffy/Angel....like people cmon...I wish I had millions of fans out there who recognized my BEST work and still talked about and cherished it years later. pfft "celebrities":rolleyes:

anyhoo on to "Ripper"..I thought the original thing was that he was going to be putting the Watcher's Council together? I have a feeling this show's premise will be changing many many times.

[Shadowlord367]

Yeah I think it is about rebuilding the council.

[Mello Penelo]

This will probably be really cool. I hope the Initiative makes a comeback in this series.

[Pesk]

I heard the show will involve andrew and whistler, though this could just be old news, whistler hasn't been around since buffy's season 2.

Apparantly they will be bringing in Pete Doherty as a zombie.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I am surprised the show will happen in the UK..... I mean, with the American audience accept that? They are sometimes not very flexible, it seems.....


Originally posted by Pesk
I heard the show will involve andrew and whistler, though this could just be old news, whistler hasn't been around since buffy's season 2.

Apparantly they will be bringing in Pete Doherty as a zombie.
Oh my...... I am getting old.
:(
Can someone remind me who whistler is?

[Pesk]

He was only in the last 2 eps of season 2. He was a good demon who looked like a human, he was the guy who (in flashbacks) found angel on the streets and showed him buffy who was in LA at school at the time.

He was a very similar character to doyle, in fact joss whedon wanted whistler to be on angel the show, but when the actor couldn't make it joss created the charatcer of doyle.

Now it seems joss wants whistler on ripper, I guess he had a lot of ideas for the character that he didn't get a chance to use before, but can now.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Pesk
He was only in the last 2 eps of season 2. He was a good demon who looked like a human, he was the guy who (in flashbacks) found angel on the streets and showed him buffy who was in LA at school at the time.

He was a very similar character to doyle, in fact joss whedon wanted whistler to be on angel the show, but when the actor couldn't make it joss created the charatcer of doyle.

Now it seems joss wants whistler on ripper, I guess he had a lot of ideas for the character that he didn't get a chance to use before, but can now.
Oh, thanks.
:)
I remember him now......I didn't find him that impressive, actually.
Can someone remind me why Doyle was written off from 'Angel'? I always wanted to know.....

[Daddylion]

I thought something happened to the actor and that was why Doyle had to be written off...

Anyway I never came to this board much before but i've recently been renewed in my interest in BTVS. I'd love to see Ripper! I love Giles :D Man i wanna see more Giles!

I hope to see Nicolas Brendon guest stars. I read 2 of the BTVS 8 comics and I kinda wanna see him like that with the eye patch :p And ofcourse i wanna see Willow again. I love that Andrew's gonna be in it... I don't really care much if Buffy or Angel ever shows up or not, they may be leads but they were never really my favourite characters. Be nice to see Spike and Faith though.


Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
I mean honestly I wouldnt sit through one of SMG's movies if it hadnt been for Buffy.


*shrugs* I personally thought Cruel Intentions was awesome if not the other stuff. I know it's just a modern retelling of Dangerous Liasons but I still like it, and I love Dangerous Liasons too. I just love that story... the stuff she's been in after buffy i would agree is quite horrible though.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Wow, Glenn Quinn died in 2002.
I had no idea.
:(

[Daddylion]

Yeah that's what I heard but i never checked it to see if it was true or not.

[Rafael122]

Yep, I believe he overdosed, cocaine or heroine, forgot which.

The Angel episode "Hero" was so awesome. Really the only Doyle-centric episode he got.

[chlarkfan333]

Drug overdose, yes, but I thought he was written out before he died, was he not?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Drug overdose, yes, but I thought he was written out before he died, was he not?
Indeed. 2-3 years before, to be exact (1999-2002).
He must have had drug problems at the time already.
Man, that's so sad.

[Rafael122]

Yeah, rumor was that his addiction became a big problem to the point where they had to write him off the show.

[CallMeClark]

I wonder though if it will be a few years after the season 8 comic or if it will twist within the comic. Because you know how much the Buffyverse cares about continunity.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

How integral is this comic to the Buffyverse?
I mean, they also introduced some kind of comic to Smallville, and I really couldn't care less.

[Daddylion]

The comics were said to be canon (unlike the comics made when the show was still airing) and it comes directly after season 7.

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
[B]I am surprised the show will happen in the UK..... I mean, with the American audience accept that? They are sometimes not very flexible, it seems.....

Oh well, if America is going to hate it, we may as well call the whole thing off! I'd forgotten that the BBC makes programmes especially for American enjoyment, despite the name "British" Broadcasting Corporation.

Yes. I forgot the world revolved around what America wants. Excuse me, while I change all natural laws to accomodate this new rule. :rolleyes:

Let's see what America hasn't had trouble taking to which is British in origin:

Life on Mars (soon), Extras, The office, Doctor Who Torchwood...See what I'm getting at here?

[Daddylion]

Lol

Well I'm personally more interested in it with it in the UK. I feel like there'd be more of... i can't think of the word for it, mood? I mean it's older, so the places might feel more... i dunno i can't seem to find the word dammit!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
Oh well, if America is going to hate it, we may as well call the whole thing off! I'd forgotten that the BBC makes programmes especially for American enjoyment, despite the name "British" Broadcasting Corporation.

Yes. I forgot the world revolved around what America wants. Excuse me, while I change all natural laws to accomodate this new rule. :rolleyes:

Let's see what America hasn't had trouble taking to which is British in origin:

Life on Mars (soon), Extras, The office, Doctor Who Torchwood...See what I'm getting at here?
Don't get upset, I was just stating a fact.
Trust me, I am from Europe as well. It's a sad fact that the US movie industry prefers to re-shoot European movies (for instance many French ones....), rather than bringing them on the US market. people simply don't accept the product if it hasn't a mall in it, a McDonald's, or a Baseball game.
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That's why I meant: if FOX really co-produces it (=puts money into it), then I expect the show not to be very European/British. I would bet they'll tone it down.

[Pesk]

Doyle was always supposed to be replaced with wesley, but he was written off sooner than joss wanted because of his drug problems.

The comics are said to be cannon because they are written by joss and other buffy writers. Though I for one would like to pretend they are not cannon, they are so different to what we've seen on the show, they just don't feel like btvs to me.

But I'm sure the comics wil have to be taken into consideration when they make Ripper... I wouldn't be at all surprised if you needed to read the comics to understand the new show, eg where the characters are now.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe

That's why I meant: if FOX really co-produces it (=puts money into it), then I expect the show not to be very European/British. I would bet they'll tone it down.

What are the odds the show will feature raccoons running around the 'english' countryside at some point? :)

[Daddylion]

Well i haven't read that much of the comics, only managed to get a hold of the first two... eye-patched Xander is so hot though :p kinda why i wanted the comics so badly.

[chlarkfan333]

Well I hope it's not too Americanised. It's been a while since I've seen a British show. Gotta love the wry humour. :D

Where are people getting their info about the show, btw?

Also, anybody here read the comics?

ETA: Daddylion, love your tea-time icon. :)

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Don't get upset, I was just stating a fact.
Trust me, I am from Europe as well. It's a sad fact that the US movie industry prefers to re-shoot European movies (for instance many French ones....), rather than bringing them on the US market. people simply don't accept the product if it hasn't a mall in it, a McDonald's, or a Baseball game.
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That's why I meant: if FOX really co-produces it (=puts money into it), then I expect the show not to be very European/British. I would bet they'll tone it down.

Sorry. I was feeling a little snarky, as my sister was being a pain in the butt.

[Daddylion]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Well I hope it's not too Americanised. It's been a while since I've seen a British show. Gotta love the wry humour. :D

Also, anybody here read the comics?

ETA: Daddylion, love your tea-time icon. :)

Thank you :) and like i said, i only read the first 2 issues of the comic and couldn't get a hold of it anymore. I wish i could though and i agree with you about the British humour... man i miss Coupling.

[constantine]

I have to say, I don't miss British humour. Indeed, I witness it every day.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by constantine
I have to say, I don't miss British humour. Indeed, I witness it every day.

In small doses, it can be a good thing. ;) :lol:

Truth be told, it's been a long, long time since I've watched a new British TV show. The last ones I watched earnestly were way back in the 80s - Mind Your Language, Yes Minister, Jeeves & Wooster, Fawlty Towers, To the Manor Born.....way, way back.:lol:

The face of British TV, I imagine, has changed since then.:p

[constantine]

To put it mildly. You should try and catch life on mars before it gets tailored for an american audience.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Jeeves & Wooster
I looooooooooove those two.
:lol:
"Siiiiir, I took the liberty to prepare some tea."
:p

[constantine]

o0 what does jeeves and wooster have to do with ripper, besides adding to the american stereotype of the British isles?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

:(
I love 'Jeeves & Wooster'.
I find that pretty significant......

[constantine]

oh well...ok then. *punch* cheer up bud. It just irritates me because I went to school with people who talked a little like that.

[ILuvLoVe]

uhhhh anyhoo....

Joss is an American so I am assuming he will be wiriting it and perhaps employing some of the old Buffy/Angel writers? So how "british" it is I think would depend on him more than Fox or the BBC right?

Regardless I think that the problem is that the big corp and network execs believe that all Americans are pretty stupid and therefore they need to dumb down (or "americanize" whichever term you prefer:rolleyes: ) to make it appeal to the American public. I think its way too stereotypical to say that the American people will not accept something if it doesnt have a mall or baseball game in it. The problem is test markets and focus groups etc whose opinions are pretty generic and therefore dont really represent the people as a whole. You might be surprised how many of us would prefer to not watch a beer-drinking-horny teenager-America-is-extremely-shallow type movie:D

[constantine]

Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
uhhhh anyhoo....

Joss is an American so I am assuming he will be wiriting it and perhaps employing some of the old Buffy/Angel writers? So how "british" it is I think would depend on him more than Fox or the BBC right?

Considering Joss spent a good few years living in the UK before moving to america as a teenager, and is being funded mostly by the BBC, the scripts will have to have a distinctly british feel.



Regardless I think that the problem is that the big corp and network execs believe that all Americans are pretty stupid and therefore they need to dumb down (or "americanize" whichever term you prefer:rolleyes: ) to make it appeal to the American public.

*cough* I've lived stateside, I know that there's some truly retarded programming out there.




I think its way too stereotypical to say that the American people will not accept something if it doesnt have a mall or baseball game in it. The problem is test markets and focus groups etc whose opinions are pretty generic and therefore dont really represent the people as a whole.

A valid point, and the fact that so many british shows are currently doing so well in the states lends to it




You might be surprised how many of us would prefer to not watch a beer-drinking-horny teenager-America-is-extremely-shallow type movie:D

I truly believe it depends on the region

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
Regardless I think that the problem is that the big corp and network execs believe that all Americans are pretty stupid and therefore they need to dumb down (or "americanize" whichever term you prefer:rolleyes: ) to make it appeal to the American public. I think its way too stereotypical to say that the American people will not accept something if it doesnt have a mall or baseball game in it.
Yes....... 'americanize'.......that's what I mean when I mentioned malls and baseball games.
:D

[constantine]

If they give us more relationship crap with the show, I'll be organising a "meeting" at BBC TV centre. That's all I'm saying. The less you know, the better.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I actually like some of the relationship 'crap'......if the characters can take it, and it doesn't destroy them. Like Spike & Buffy. They could take it, is was not too serious, no?

[constantine]

You were ok with pre age of consent necrophilia? and then later, habitual necrophilia?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

You'll have to refresh my mind....... :lol: Who's the corpse here......Spike? I mean, c'mooooooon.
:)
;)

[Daddylion]

:lol: Animated corpse, and it wasn't like he was all gross and falling apart. I love the slayer/vampire thing, I really didn't like Buffy with just guys and i didn't like her with Riley at all. Spike/Buffy is one of my favourite heterosexual pairings if not the favourite...

[CallMeClark]

Agreed. Spike/Buffy rocks my socks.

I also enjoyed Anya/Xander.

But onto Ripper. ;)

[constantine]

Yeah but with it being more adult and British in tone, I don't think you can honestly rely on seeing a focus on any kind of relationship. A dynamic between the team? sure. I mean if it's well written, I think there'll be a completel lack of that kind of relationship.

Remember how well chris carter bowing to demands and pairing up mulder and scully romantically went? case closed.

*hint: most people stopped watching after season 4.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
Remember how well chris carter bowing to demands and pairing up mulder and scully romantically went? case closed.

Yeah, but that was in the very, very, very end, no?
After 9 seasons, there was no 'good' way of closing. Was there?

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, but that was in the very, very, very end, no?
After 9 seasons, there was no 'good' way of closing. Was there?

Noooo he started pulling that crap way before he did all the alien conspiracy super soldier junk

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
Noooo he started pulling that crap way before he did all the alien conspiracy super soldier junk
Hmmmm, I started watching the X-files fairly late (cause the cult around this show in Germany was just too much....), but there definitely was NO romance/ship crap between Mulder and Skully, the last 2-3 sesons, IMO.

[constantine]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Hmmmm, I started watching the X-files fairly late (cause the cult around this show in Germany was just too much....), but there definitely was NO romance/ship crap between Mulder and Skully, the last 2-3 sesons, IMO.

Despite having a son and fox going captain ahab because of it you mean? o0

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by constantine
Despite having a son and fox going captain ahab because of it you mean? o0
Hmmmm, maybe we should take that to the X-files discussion.
I obviously don't remember as much as I would've liked.
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Good news: the new DVD's are coming out soon. I will be much more of an expert soon.
:)