Seven Seasons, Or Eight?

[KSiteTV]

A lot of people are debating whether or not Smallville will get an eighth season in a year. So, I thought it would be fun to ask you all NOW for your predictions... will there be a Season 8?

The really fun part is, a year from now we can return to this thread and brag if we happen to be right.

Me... I'm starting to think it will happen.

[j_sundude]

Sometimes I think that the show will last for 8 seasons. But there are times when I'm not so sure. It'll be different and probably difficult without Lex, but it could work. I really hope that it does last for 8 seasons, ending with Clark becoming Superman. The whole premise of Smallville is to show Clark before he becomes Superman. So, in my opinion, the story's not over until he does.

[Watching Smallville]

Last year I would have said seven seasons, but if they keep up the level of work they did in Season 6, I hope they'll go to eight.

[xrayvision]

They need to have a season without any distractions where Clark goes for his training throughout the entire season. No Kara, no Lana, no Chloe...nobody to bother him like they do now. I would like at least some of these characters to remain during his training where they have to fend for themselves or rely on each other (not Clark).

But if this happens, then when will Clark get into journalism? Clark's disinterest in journalism after he wrote for the Torch is one of the biggest mistakes this show has made. How credible will it be that all of a sudden Clark becomes a reporter after showing 0 interest for the last several years. In Redux, he talked about where he will be 5 years from then. Season 7, episode 6 will be the 5-year mark and he has yet to show any interest in journalism since at least season 3.

Therefore, since TPTB are making the HUGE mistake of bringing in Kara and really messing up with & disrupting the pace & direction of the show, I would say, get Clark into journalism this upcoming season. Supposedly Jimmy will be back, so this is the opportunity for them to get Clark to go back to journalism. The crappy part is that thanks to the presence of Kara, he will most likely not go back to Central Kansas U. There's no way anyone without a college degree in real life would be given a job at a paper like the DP. This applies to Clark, Chloe, and Lois.

The biggest reason I believe there will be a season 8 is because of the low quality of all the other shows on the CW channel, except for Supernatural. I think the show will lose more ratings in season 7 because of the introduction of Kara which will disrupt the plot that season 6 was heading towards. I think it will be just like the drop between the ratings of seasons 3 & 4. But I think despite the ratings drop, it will still do better than there other shows. The only way there won't be a season 8 (excluding anything bad happening to the cast members--which I hope doesn't happen of course) is if the CW goes out of business.

[Watching Smallville]

I have a feeling the very last episode will be Clark going off to do his training.

And what happened to everyone being in college? I'd like to see that resolved, too.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I have a feeling the very last episode will be Clark going off to do his training.

This would be the epitome of how Al/Miles can only do shipper type stuff and are failures at writing good mythos. That will be perhaps the biggest disappointment this show can make. It has the opportunity to show something that has never been done in a live action show/film. The training can & should consist of 3 parts. Unfortunately, since one of the parts I have in mind involves a character who will most likely be dead by the end of season 7, they will lose that factor by putting it off another season (if they show it at all).

[Watching Smallville]

The training could be very interesting, depending on how it was handled.

It seems to me that the show concentrates on events in Clark's life that we don't know much about. They cut the training short in Arrival -- I took that as the begiining of a loooooooong detour away from the training. :)

[xrayvision]

And what a long detour it's been. There were already 2 types of training on the show. There was the one that started in Arrival and the super condensed training that Jor-El gave to Clark's Kal-El side after he brought out that side of him in the cave.

I would love to see Clark using the palm of his hand to open the cave wall like Kal-El did, but unfortunately the caves are gone.

As for the training, I would like to see sessions at the FOS as a small part of it, a war between Kal-El & Clark as the large part, and some prep from Lionel as he unleashes 33.1 freaks (while Lex is in jail) on Clark as preparation so he can practice for his battles against Kal-El. These are the 3 elements I want his training to contain.

[queenelizabeth]

I'm hoping for 8 seasons if they can pull it off. Watching Clark trtain and learn more about himself might get boring if not done correctly. It would be great to see Clark and Kal-El become more similar in abilities.

[xrayvision]

I'm writing fanfics of what season 7 would look like if I were TPTB and I am doing Clark and his training. In my season 7 premiere, Clark & Kal-El seperate and team up for the first 2 episodes with the agreement that once they stop Lionel & Hank Henshaw, they will have a series of battles. This is the main device I'm using for his training. So far, I had an episode where Clark goes to the FOS to learn from Jor-El. In that episode, he learns about everything that happened on Krypton & Earth regarding the stones, the caves, the creator of the cave legend, Zod causing Krypton's destruction and the creation of Brainiac. He also finds out who Virgil Swann really was. I set it up so that the next episode will have the first battle between them. So far, it has been very interesting and full of action & drama. I highly suggest that they do something similar.

Clark has yet to settle the fear of his destiny that his Kal-El side personifies. That is one of the biggest reasons I want them to have such a war. Until he beats his benevolent side, I can not make myself believe that he will earn the right to become Superman. And a series of long battles is the best way to do that since it would be a learning process.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by queenelizabeth
It would be great to see Clark and Kal-El become more similar in abilities.
I hope that's what they have in mind. I've really enjoyed season 6 and Clark's struggle with his own violent nature. Combat was awesome. And his conversations with Martha about his killer instincts –– I thought that was some great writing. He's definitely becoming more aggressive, so maybe some of Kal-El's more advanced skills will emerge next season.

[xrayvision]

I agree. But I really want those 2 to settle it once and for all in a series of battles. I want this to happen and for Clark when he would finally win & defeat Kal-El to do so using the aspects that will make him Superman (morals, strength, knowledge, courage, power, wisdom, great fighting ability etc).

[FiReFTW]

Given that most of cast members contracts will end at season 7 , probably 7 , but you never know how it will go , or what they want.Im hoping for 8 seasons alswell .

[Honey45]

I love Smallville, but I think it should stop at 7 seasons.
I would love for it to go on forever, but I'd rather it end early than go on with crappy storylines.

Like Jerry Sienfeld when he refused to take $1 million an episode to continue his show another season.
You want to end the show so people will be sad, like "I'm so upset Smallville ended, it was so good".
You don't want to finish when people are thinking "Finally, it's about time Smallville finished".

[Micheal Moon]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I hope that's what they have in mind. I've really enjoyed season 6 and Clark's struggle with his own violent nature. Combat was awesome. And his conversations with Martha about his killer instincts –– I thought that was some great writing. He's definitely becoming more aggressive, so maybe some of Kal-El's more advanced skills will emerge next season.

I agree.

The tone of this board is that Clark has not grown as a character which I disagree with. S6 showed a more confident assertive Clark Kent than wev'e seen in past seasons even S5.

Back on topic I think S7 we will see Clark train but its not certain if its this season. When Clark defeated the phantom Baron he said that he will start training only until the last phantom is defeated. But we don't know if the phantom (Bizarro) will be a story arc that will last the whole season or not.

[Cellist]

Originally posted by xrayvision
But if this happens, then when will Clark get into journalism? Clark's disinterest in journalism after he wrote for the Torch is one of the biggest mistakes this show has made. How credible will it be that all of a sudden Clark becomes a reporter after showing 0 interest for the last several years. In Redux, he talked about where he will be 5 years from then. Season 7, episode 6 will be the 5-year mark and he has yet to show any interest in journalism since at least season 3.

Therefore, since TPTB are making the HUGE mistake of bringing in Kara and really messing up with & disrupting the pace & direction of the show, I would say, get Clark into journalism this upcoming season. Supposedly Jimmy will be back, so this is the opportunity for them to get Clark to go back to journalism. The crappy part is that thanks to the presence of Kara, he will most likely not go back to Central Kansas U. There's no way anyone without a college degree in real life would be given a job at a paper like the DP. This applies to Clark, Chloe, and Lois.

The biggest reason I believe there will be a season 8 is because of the low quality of all the other shows on the CW channel, except for Supernatural.

Totally agree with all of this. Clark needs to start showing some interest in journalism, but most of all, why is nobody in college?

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Cellist
Totally agree with all of this. Clark needs to start showing some interest in journalism, but most of all, why is nobody in college?
It's really hard to tell what's going on in terms of people being in college. I think Chloe is still at Met U because once in a while she mentions a roommate. I have no idea whether Lana is in college or not. And Clark dropped out in Vengeance, so I'm assuming he hasn't gone back yet.

And how old is Jimmy supposed to be? Is he older than everyone else -- finished with college?

Maybe TPTB are remembering what happened to Dawson's Creek when that cast went to college and they're trying to avoid the pitfalls. But I think there could have been a college paper that Chloe worked on rather than zooming her to the Planet -- although internships do happen after high school.

A little rambling -- sorry. To sum it up, I'd like to see them bring college back next year.

[MidgardDragon]

If they continue to make it interesting without making it drag (which I think they've been successful at so far, with a few minor exceptions) then I think they can go 8 seasons no problem. But I think that it's ultimately going to be up to the network. I think Al/Miles want to go 8 seasons, but if The CW finds a replacement for it that they believe will do as well or better, then it's unlikely it will go that long.

[vyperman7]

Put the show out of its mercy and have it end after S7. You can only have Tom Welling try to pull off being a "young Clark Kent" for so long. I still remember the caption under the S4 Commencement photo on KSite that said "World's oldest senior". LOL!!!

Plus TW and MR want to do other things with their careers. I personally think they could have done a perfectly good job with this show in a five year span if it had been handled the right way. But now they are stretching it out, and we just seem to get the same stuff every season. I don't really see how adding another season will help the show improve.

But that's just me. Since I have been watching on TV since day one, I will follow the show to the end.

[Shadowlord367]

I bet it'll happen.

Clark's got another two years worth of development before he can be superman.

[Alexius]

I think it depends of how TPTB decide to develop S7. If they decide to get Clark into journalism and start training during the first half of the season, then I think the SV bus should stop at S7; if they postponed Clark's training towards the very end, and Clark is not a journalist yet, then a S8 could be desirable. Details, details, that's the key fellas. ;)

[Johnny_Luck]

Originally posted by xrayvision
And what a long detour it's been. There were already 2 types of training on the show. There was the one that started in Arrival and the super condensed training that Jor-El gave to Clark's Kal-El side after he brought out that side of him in the cave.

I would love to see Clark using the palm of his hand to open the cave wall like Kal-El did, but unfortunately the caves are gone.

As for the training, I would like to see sessions at the FOS as a small part of it, a war between Kal-El & Clark as the large part, and some prep from Lionel as he unleashes 33.1 freaks (while Lex is in jail) on Clark as preparation so he can practice for his battles against Kal-El. These are the 3 elements I want his training to contain.

I guess I just don't understand your utter urge for the training thing to happen. Its just not something i would really care about seeing.

Not to mention you said you expect Kara to cause the ratings to drop? If anything she add viewers to the show as people want a new interesting character and want to see interaction with clark.

I give you and handle your training thing as long as it didn't complete destroy what they spent the last season and a half building up and making it not only work, but work well. That being Lionel being a good guy or at least a bad guy who only does bad things for the sake of helping Clark do greater good.

To erase that just so your fanfic dreams of him helping lex with 33.1 is not only silly, bad but completely a step in the wrong direction.

If anything Lionel should stand by Clark's side and die in battle against lex, with lex blaming Clark for corrupting him and thus driving lex more into the mad world of evil and darkness.

Honestly if the writing continues in the way of season 5 and 6 I hope they don't go any further than 7.

Especially if both Micheal and Kristin do in fact leave like they want to to do other projects.

I mean the show could handle one or the other leaving, but both would leave a giant gap, not so much character wise but acting and talent wise you'll probably lose 2 out of the 3 best on the show and if Lionel dies there goes all three.

Though CW has a new show called the reaping along the lines of supernatural and smallville mix that should help fill the hole thats left b everything that is not smallville or supernatural.

I can see them going 8 just to have the show still around. Then again WB canceled Buffy and Angel after five seasons while they were still very hot(in fact angels audience was growing and bigger than ever) so its possible cw could cancel it after 7 seasons just so they can say it went out on top.

[ChloeSullivanfan]

Maybe as long as Charmed went.

[happyending21]

im not sure ......but i voted yes for some reason ........i wonder if i'll be right .............but if it were to be succsesfull ...IMO ..


NO CLANA

MORE CLOIS

CHLOE

EVIL LEX

AND NO FOTW'S

but this won't happen^^^^^^^^^^

[samanta]

I think there will be 8 seasons but I would like if it stopped with s7.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
I bet it'll happen.

Clark's got another two years worth of development before he can be superman.

See that's the problem though. His development never moves forward. We are still seeing the same CK we did from back in S3. Granted he is older and has a new power. But his attitude is exactly the same. He is hung up on Lana, and hates the fact he is different. There are a few times like in Fallout where Clark says he is ready to stop running and accept his destiny. But it never happens.

They had the last 3 seasons to effectively develop Clark better and it just hasn't happen. Call me skeptical but I don't see one more season or even two more seasons making me want to believe that this version of Clark should become Superman.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
I bet it'll happen.

Clark's got another two years worth of development before he can be superman.

That's the problem. They are stalling Clark's development on purpose, just to keep the show "fresh" for more seasons. But it's not "fresh", it's rotten. Season 6 was the perfect example of it. During the first part, Clark was finally moving on, finally embracing his destiny, but then he went back to beginning, back to Lana obsession.

[thedean123]

I love smallville, in fact its actually the only show I watch on a regular basis, but I would like to see it end after this season. I finally just saw the Aquaman Pilot yesterday and surprisingly I really enjoyed it, I realize that show is dead and won't be happening but it actually made me feel like it might be time to get something fresh in that time slot.

[darkone]

I think when they need to introduce guest character after guest character to pull off a story it reaches a point where they should get a clue.Al/Miles are just so DAMN greedy.

[ginnyfan]

I'm voting 8 Seasons because of crazy kryptonian cousins.

[Spirit Detective]

Originally posted by darkone
I think when they need to introduce guest character after guest character to pull off a story it reaches a point where they should get a clue.Al/Miles are just so DAMN greedy.

I totally agee. Each Season since Season 4 has introduced a new character and this has almost always hindered Clark. I really hope that Season 7 will live up to my expectations. Phantom showed us a Clark Kent who was more willingly to accept his destiny (especially since he learned that Lana blew up).

The major problem is that Al/Miles keep creating detours to delay Clark's training. After Arrival, Clark was normal and had Lana. He only went to the Fortress when the things in his life were in danger (Martha in Solitude). After Reckoning, he was too angry with Jor-El to start his training. In Zod, he learned that his decision to stab Brainiac (Vessel) caused the Fortress to "die" (Gee, another detour). When the Fortress was back online in Fallout, he vowed to continue hs training after he defeated the Zoners (Gee, a season long detour).

The only thing that gives me hope is that the recap in Phantom included his vow to contine his training.

[Watching Smallville]

I like the guest characters. I loved Milton Fine, and Christopher Reeve was amazing on the show. I think it adds some variety to the mix.

I wasn't on the boards during Season 6, but I've been watching the eps and I really liked this season. Season 5 was the Season I had problems with, but this season I saw some development and growth and more mythos. The Lex/Lana thing wasn't the emotional mess I thought it was going to be -- it was more a battle of wills, kind of interesting.

If they keep going like they have this past year, I could watch two more seasons.

[Spirit Detective]

At least Season 6 took care of Lexana. Now that's one less thing to worry about for Season 7 (C'mon, there's no way Lana would go back to Lex).

If Season 7 and 8 limit triangles, then I think it could be possble.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
I guess I just don't understand your utter urge for the training thing to happen. Its just not something i would really care about seeing.

I guess you like the relationships instead of mythos. I'm very tired of the relationships. Of the last 3 seasons, 2 of them were full of 'ships plus half of season 5 was too. That's more than I can deal with. I want Clark to start being developed. He has been stale for the last 3 years. He keeps making stupid mistakes, Chloe has to be his brain & lifeline, and it's getting sickening. Clark was much smarter during the first 3 seasons. In order to stop making these mistakes and not screwing over fans like me who want the training after they pretty much promised it in Fallout, they should have done his training now. The action & fights in this show (except for Combat) were pitiful. Even Combat could have had more fighting after having that title.

Not to mention you said you expect Kara to cause the ratings to drop? If anything she add viewers to the show as people want a new interesting character and want to see interaction with clark.

People thought Lois in season 4 would increase ratings, yet they dropped from what they were in Season 3. Season 4 has to be the worst season with the amount of fillers they had. I expect the same this upcoming season.

I give you and handle your training thing as long as it didn't complete destroy what they spent the last season and a half building up and making it not only work, but work well.

What they spent last season on was building up all the reasons why he should train. It built up to have the training in season 7. Clark started to finally accept Jor-El. He even said that once the zoners were gone, he would start his training. The Bizarro fiasco should have been the last straw to make him train. It is very lame to now put it off yet again. I'm not the only one who is very unhappy about this. I spent years watching this show, putting up with garbage like Lexana for a payoff. Where is that payoff? Nowhere to be seen.

That being Lionel being a good guy or at least a bad guy who only does bad things for the sake of helping Clark do greater good.

I agree here.

To erase that just so your fanfic dreams of him helping lex with 33.1 is not only silly, bad but completely a step in the wrong direction.

I don't think Lionel should help Lex with 33.1. I'm saying while Lex is in prison for Lana's murder, Lionel should take control of 33.1 and send the toughest freaks and soldiers out to get Clark as a way of getting Clark ready. The 33.1 freaks would be pretty much sparring partners for Clark. My idea is to have that be his practice to fight his Kal-El side that they showed in Crusade. I think the fights with 33.1 freaks should take place between Clark's battles with Kal-El (which I think there should be 6-7 of).

If anything Lionel should stand by Clark's side and die in battle against lex, with lex blaming Clark for corrupting him and thus driving lex more into the mad world of evil and darkness.

I agree. :)

Honestly if the writing continues in the way of season 5 and 6 I hope they don't go any further than 7.

So we agree that the writing for the most part has sucked. I liked most of the writing in Phantom, but I think bringing in Kara, who has nothing to do with direction they were taking, will really ruin things. I think this is a cheap stunt by Al/Miles to grab ratings.

Especially if both Micheal and Kristin do in fact leave like they want to to do other projects.

The show can go on without Kristin, but without Michael it would be much tougher. They may offer him a lot more money. If they have a season 8, I would have the characters being Clark, Lois, Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, Martha Kent, and Pete Ross (maybe one more female character). That should have been when they brought in Kara---after Clark is trained and is writing articles. Having Clark do investigating into a story and finding Kara as a result would have been a much better way of doing it IMHO.

I mean the show could handle one or the other leaving, but both would leave a giant gap, not so much character wise but acting and talent wise you'll probably lose 2 out of the 3 best on the show and if Lionel dies there goes all three.

I guess they would have to bring in some supervillians or have Lex as a recurring character if MR is willing to go for that. I think it's a big mistake not to have Clark train while Lionel is still around. VERY BIG MISTAKE.

Though CW has a new show called the reaping along the lines of supernatural and smallville mix that should help fill the hole thats left b everything that is not smallville or supernatural.

That show seems pathetic based on the commercials. I know I won't be watching it. None of the new CW shows coming this fall impressed me.

I can see them going 8 just to have the show still around. Then again WB canceled Buffy and Angel after five seasons while they were still very hot(in fact angels audience was growing and bigger than ever) so its possible cw could cancel it after 7 seasons just so they can say it went out on top.

If you ask me, to go out on top, they should have ended the show at season 3. None of the seasons since have been anything as good as that season. They could bring in all the JLA members or supervillians they want. Doing that has taken away from the focus of the show (Clark's development & pre-Superman life and his fallout with Lex and how that occurs based on the Smallville mythos). There were several good episodes after Covenant, but taking the entire seasons into consideration, none of them were anything as good as seasons 1-3 IMO. I'm tired of the 'ships, tired of garbage episodes like Ageless & Wither, tired of all these lame-ass cheap tricks to get ratings while screwing out longtime fans...just tired of it all. I hope I'm wrong and season 7 is a good surprise, but I don't think it will be. Knowing Al/Miles, they will have Clark become Superman because of something Kara or Martian Manhunter or some other character (Jor-El) does and basically show that without this influence on Clark, he would not have become Superman. And that would be the biggest failure of all. I hope I'm wrong. But based on the injustices they've been doing to Clark's character for the past 3 seasons, I don't think so.

[Johnny_Luck]

I guess you like the relationships instead of mythos. I'm very tired of the relationships. Of the last 3 seasons, 2 of them were full of 'ships plus half of season 5 was too. That's more than I can deal with. I want Clark to start being developed. He has been stale for the last 3 years. He keeps making stupid mistakes, Chloe has to be his brain & lifeline, and it's getting sickening. Clark was much smarter during the first 3 seasons. In order to stop making these mistakes and not screwing over fans like me who want the training after they pretty much promised it in Fallout, they should have done his training now. The action & fights in this show (except for Combat) were pitiful. Even Combat could have had more fighting after having that title.

I Don't care for superman at all. In fact i hate superman, but have somehow been entertained enough by all the side characters and realtionships that just aren't about clark himself but everyone being a goody boyscout that it has kept me interesed for over 6 seasons. Not to mention tom welling has to be one of the most below average dry actors out there. He has his moments like in exiles and red, but overall nothing special.

So to have him solely be the focus would be a very bad thing for the show IMHO.

People thought Lois in season 4 would increase ratings, yet they dropped from what they were in Season 3. Season 4 has to be the worst season with the amount of fillers they had. I expect the same this upcoming season.

I disagree I thought that Season 1, 2 and 5 all had more bad filler episodes than 4 did. 4 had Bound, Krypto, Lucy, Recruit and Blank as its worst filler stuff, but it had a lot of great episodes as well.


What they spent last season on was building up all the reasons why he should train. It built up to have the training in season 7. Clark started to finally accept Jor-El. He even said that once the zoners were gone, he would start his training. The Bizarro fiasco should have been the last straw to make him train. It is very lame to now put it off yet again. I'm not the only one who is very unhappy about this. I spent years watching this show, putting up with garbage like Lexana for a payoff. Where is that payoff? Nowhere to be seen.

Umm, did you see the look on Lexs face when clark told him he killed her and when the cops showed up, he knows she framed his butt which is going to drive him off the wall down more to the darker side, thats the payoff and its been clear thats what the payoff was going to be for a while now.

I don't think Lionel should help Lex with 33.1. I'm saying while Lex is in prison for Lana's murder, Lionel should take control of 33.1 and send the toughest freaks and soldiers out to get Clark as a way of getting Clark ready. The 33.1 freaks would be pretty much sparring partners for Clark. My idea is to have that be his practice to fight his Kal-El side that they showed in Crusade. I think the fights with 33.1 freaks should take place between Clark's battles with Kal-El (which I think there should be 6-7 of).

1. Why would he do that, clark isn't and should not be a person who fights people just because they have powers.

2. Who is to say any of the freaks are evil or were evil before being tortured? Why should they be treated as punching bags.

I just don't think it makes sense writing wise and I don't think a lot of fans would accept Clark willingly doing such a thing just to boost his ego when it comes to his powers.

It be more likely if Lionel even tried that that clark would go and do something to put Lionel in the hospital, or at least take him away from the power to release another Freak into the world.





So we agree that the writing for the most part has sucked. I liked most of the writing in Phantom, but I think bringing in Kara, who has nothing to do with direction they were taking, will really ruin things. I think this is a cheap stunt by Al/Miles to grab ratings.

Like I said, I hate superman, but I on the other hand love supergirl so if done right she could really help move characters along.

sure it screws up history a lot, but its going to make for fun times and good episodes.

P.S. what exactly are ships? I hear the term a lot on here but have no clue what it means

[Alexius]

Xrayvision, if Lois introduction didn't improve ratings in S4, it was because of the lack of continuity regarding her character, she only appeared in a few episodes. Kara is supposed to be in half of S7 episodes so ratings should improve, she's Supergirl, not just a reporter, unless AlMiles get dumber and write some of the worst episodes ever and kill ratings for good. Lets cross our fingers and pray for AlMiles to see the light and be inspired enough to avoid a catastrophe! :cool:

[thedean123]

Xrayvision sorry but i have to agree with the others on this one. Focusing on the training in the way that you want them to would be boring as hell. I agree that the fights scenes for the most part are pitiful and they have been for 6 years now, but that should tell you its not the action that has created the fan base for this show its the relationships and interaction with each other that has, the action is just the icing on the cake. In my opinion this season should be it(no Michael Rosenbaum no Smallville) and as far as the payoff Clark going to training then we get a flash with a caption "ten years later" or something like that and we see him arriving at the daily planet where he runs into Lois and maybe even be lucky enough to see him running off ripping his shirt open with the suit underneath.

[xrayvision]

Well I guess that's the problem then. Most people who actually care about Superman have deserted this show since it no longer caters to them. I will never understand how there are people who care more about the other characters and the 'ships than they do about Clark and Lex.

In my opinion, not showing Clark's training would be a huge loss of an opportunity. Showing it and having the training consist of those 3 parts would make it extremely interesting. I especially would like to see the other characters' reactions to Kal-El flying around in a suit and stopping evil using his own belligerent methods & ideology.

My instincts tell me (if what they say about Kara being a rebel are true) that the 13 episodes with Kara will be like having 13 of the episode Run. We've been there & done that. And just like in season 4 where they had to change the storyline to give us mostly fillers to fit Lois in the plots, I'm saying the same will happen with Kara. Whatever will be the main focus of the season, which will probably not be Kara as she is in 13 episodes, will get minimal attention and will be resolved over 5 episodes maximum like the stones were.

[Kal26]

I voted for eight because I want this to last as long as it possibly can.

[thedean123]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well I guess that's the problem then. Most people who actually care about Superman have deserted this show since it no longer caters to them. I will never understand how there are people who care more about the other characters and the 'ships than they do about Clark and Lex.

I don't think this is fair to say, I'm a Superman fan (maybe not the extent of others here) but devoting a season to his training is not a good idea, and having Lionel releasing freaks from 33.1 isn't any better that would just get us back to the fotw platform. As much as this is a show about Clark and his development in order for the show to be entertaining it needs give everyone a role in the show. A perfect example of this is Spiderman vs Spierman 3. In Spiderman 1 though Parker/Spiderman is the main focus of the movie there is a lot of other things going on with all the characters, and that combination is what made the show entertaining, Spiderman 3 has less story less about the supporting cast and focus's on probably the best fighting/action scenes I have ever seen in a movie yet if you ask most Spiderman 3 is the worst of the trilogy. Now take that formula of action and focusing on Clark and drag it out of 22 episodes rather then just one movie, that would be brutal. I'm not even against a Clark vs Kal idea but what would be the point of dragging it out over 6-7 episodes it simply wouldn't be entertaining.

[Johnny_Luck]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well I guess that's the problem then. Most people who actually care about Superman have deserted this show since it no longer caters to them. I will never understand how there are people who care more about the other characters and the 'ships than they do about Clark and Lex.

In my opinion, not showing Clark's training would be a huge loss of an opportunity. Showing it and having the training consist of those 3 parts would make it extremely interesting. I especially would like to see the other characters' reactions to Kal-El flying around in a suit and stopping evil using his own belligerent methods & ideology.

My instincts tell me (if what they say about Kara being a rebel are true) that the 13 episodes with Kara will be like having 13 of the episode Run. We've been there & done that. And just like in season 4 where they had to change the storyline to give us mostly fillers to fit Lois in the plots, I'm saying the same will happen with Kara. Whatever will be the main focus of the season, which will probably not be Kara as she is in 13 episodes, will get minimal attention and will be resolved over 5 episodes maximum like the stones were.

Confused here?

Your complaining that season 4 and possibly season 7 will finish the main storyline up over 5 episodes when there was only 1 episode in season 1 to finish up what was going on and 2 in season 2, overall your favorite seasons have way more filler epsides than you really like to admit.

Season 1 is basically all filler episodes and half or more of season 2 is as well.

I love how you continue to say that season 4 had to change to get more filler episodes when it probably had the least filler episodes of all six seasons.

Maybe you didn't like ths stone storyline but it took up the majority of the season and didn't even just hinmt at something and hit us with it in the last two episodes.

As much as as Think Season 3 was the best, season 4 is easily the second best when it comes to things.

If Kara is anything like Run, then yeah it will actually be good because that episode was lots of fun. However even with whats said I don't think she be as rebel like as impulse was.

Not to mention fans of the show who don't know jack about superman history like some of my friends wouldn't like a Kal-el vs Clark fight because it be too similar to how B/Clark are going to be next season.

IMHO showing clarks training would be a mistake unless you could find an interesting non clark related story for lionel/lana/lex and Lois during the time he is doing it, which won't be able to happen so the show would suffer.

This show might be about superman learning to being superman but you cannot just focus a season around a single character, you'll lose way to many viewers.

[Clana_fan11]

I think season 7 cause anyways they have already said that season 7 there going to end so it wouldn't really matter if I said season 8 all though it would be nice if they went to season 8!

[Timester]

Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Maybe you didn't like ths stone storyline but it took up the majority of the season and didn't even just hinmt at something and hit us with it in the last two episodes.

Uh?

Xrayvision is right, season 4 was pure filler crap. Seriously, Crusade and Commencement are more than enough to understand the story. Jor-El sent Clark on a Crusade for the stones, humans got the stones, second meteor shower with the black ship inside, Clark get all the stones (it literally went to him), Clark creates FOS, the end.

We had no more developments during all season, beside Lois becoming part of the show, that's it. Nothing more.

Standalone episodes do not make a season good or bad, it's the all 22 episodes together.

[Watching Smallville]

I don't know -- Season 4 gave us some of my favorite episodes: Run, Transference, Blank. And even though the stone arc could have been done better, IMO, it was a good idea. I think the season suffered from the death of Christopher Reeves, who was written to play an important role that season. Would love to get a look at those scripts.

I wish episodes like Onyx -- which a lot of people liked -- Sacred, Spell had been better. But having another villian -- Genevieve -- was also a good idea. Just not as well executed as could have been.

[Minela]

I pray beg and hope there will be a season eight. Season Seven is to tie up loose ends, and season eight is where the funn would begin. They would be out of college, puruing their destinies. Oh, it would be soooooooo gooood.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Timester
Uh?

Xrayvision is right, season 4 was pure filler crap. Seriously, Crusade and Commencement are more than enough to understand the story. Jor-El sent Clark on a Crusade for the stones, humans got the stones, second meteor shower with the black ship inside, Clark get all the stones (it literally went to him), Clark creates FOS, the end.

We had no more developments during all season, beside Lois becoming part of the show, that's it. Nothing more.

Standalone episodes do not make a season good or bad, it's the all 22 episodes together.

Thank you. Crusade was not even that good except for the Kal-El parts and the flying. Gone was horrible. There were too many fillers and only a few were fun:

-Facade
-Devoted (this was an entertaining filler)
-Jinx (it did introduce Smallville's version of Mxylptlk, so this one's OK)
-Bound (this tried to portray Lex as evil, but actually made us feel bad for him since only golddiggers seem to be interested in him)
-Unsafe
-Pariah
-Recruit
-Krypto
-Lucy
-Spirit (a very good filler)
-Blank (a good filler)
-Ageless (junk)
-Forever (an OK episode, the Luthor-Teague stuff was the best)

There were very few episodes that season that dealt with the stones (the main plot of the season). And those were Crusade, Gone (very little), Run (very little), Transference, Spell (though this was a garbage episode), Sacred (ruined thanks to the witch plot), and Commencement. Scare was a good episode that did not deal with the stones but were important on character development and their destinies. Onyx was the same, but was an even better episode.

People complain about Clark being a Big Dumb Alien (BDA). Like it or not, the only way that's going to change is for him to train.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Confused here?

Your complaining that season 4 and possibly season 7 will finish the main storyline up over 5 episodes when there was only 1 episode in season 1 to finish up what was going on and 2 in season 2, overall your favorite seasons have way more filler epsides than you really like to admit.

Season 2 was about Clark learning about himself and where he is from. It was also about the start of Lionel's interest in Clark and the Luthor family dynamics (a big part being Lionel's development). There were so many episodes that dealt with this theme:

-Heat (he acquired heatvision)
-Duplicity (about Clark finding his ship which took off in Tempest; also this is when Lionel's interest in Clark begins)
-Red (he found out about red-k and what it does to him)
-Lineage (all about the events of how he was adopted)
-Skinwalker (the caves were introduced)
-Insurgence (we found out what Lionel had about him--octagonal key, files, refined kryptonite bars)
-Rush (caves, kryptonian parasite creatures, red-k, need I say more)
-Prodigal (we got to see Lucas & Luthor family disfunction; continuation of Lineage)
-Fever (Clark gets sick and the ship saves him, he gets sick for the 1st time)
-Rosetta (I don't even have to say anything about this)
-Visitor (a kid who saw Clark's ship is convinced it was his; some decent followup to what Swann told Clark in Rosetta)
-Witness (Clark for the first time learns the importance of using his abilities together and not just 1 at a time, also continues the refined kryptonite plot)
-Accelerate (this one really deals Lionel's development and the lack of ethics of his experiments; we finally get the reason for the refined kryptonite)
-Calling (continuation of Dr. Walden plot with Walden finding out Clark's destiny and fear that he will become a ruler; cameos of Jor-El's voice)
-Exodus (Clark meets Jor-El for the first time; fights the destiny that Jor-El wants for him)

As you can see, season 2 is full of Clark, Lionel, and Lex development and that's what made it so good IMO. This is the season that also had the highest ratings out of any other.


Season 1 is basically all filler episodes and half or more of season 2 is as well.

I already showed how season 2 has very few fillers. Season 1 was where the show was defining its identity. They introduced the meteor freaks and the Wall of Weird and season 1 did a good job of playing that plot out. It ended with Lex vs. Lionel, which was not the main plot since Lionel was not a regular back then. One plot that was well developed was Lex's suspicions & investigation of Clark with Roger Nixon and Jonathan's distrust in Lex. Also, Lex's interest in kryptonite after reading Chloe's articles was another theme. These themes were present in several episodes:

-Pilot
-Metamorphosis (the episode where Clark learns that kryptonite hurts him; also Lex first meets Lana and gets involved in Clark's life)
-Hothead (about Kent family development & how Jonathan doesn't want Clark to play football & hurt somone; this should have ended here and not been reintroduced in season 4)
-X-Ray (the partnership with Roger Nixon starts; Lex creates the Clark obsession room)
-Cool (Jonathan's distrust of Lex)
-Hourglass (Lex wanted Cassandra to tell him about Clark; plus we got glimpses into Lex's & Clark's futures)
-Craving (1st time Lex reads Chloe's articles and pays Dr. Hamilton to do research for him)
-Jitters (Level 3 was introduced which led to Lex's 33.1)
-Rogue
-Leech
-Zero (Lex's past affects the Kents)
-Nicodemus (all about consequences of Dr. Hamilton's experiments)
-Reaper (Lex gets between Clark and Jonathan's fishing trip)
-Obscura (Lex & Dr. Hamilton find the octagonal key after Roger Nixon takes him to Eddie Cole, who saw Clark's ship crash the day of the 1st shower)
-Tempest (Nixon goes rogue and investigates the Kents beyond the limits Lex sets)


I love how you continue to say that season 4 had to change to get more filler episodes when it probably had the least filler episodes of all six seasons.

I listed all the fillers it had. It had way more than any other season.

Maybe you didn't like ths stone storyline but it took up the majority of the season and didn't even just hinmt at something and hit us with it in the last two episodes.

You got me wrong. I really liked the stones storyline. I just wish they would have done it much better and would have included it in more episodes than just those few. I did not like how the witch storyline was entwined with it and how Clark never found any of the stones himself but had to resort to stealing them. Only 5 full episodes (Crusade, Transference, Spell, Sacred, and Commencement) & a small portion of 2 episodes (Gome & Run) featured the stones storyline. If you watch no other episodes than these, you will know everything about the stones.

As much as as Think Season 3 was the best, season 4 is easily the second best when it comes to things.

Well that's an opinion. I'm glad you liked it. My favorite season was season 2 mainly because of the huge amount it contributed to the mythos. My 2nd favorite is season 3. The 3rd would be season 1. My 3rd favorite would have been season 6, but it was ruined by Lexana and 'ships. Season 4 is still my least favorite as a whole, but it had a few great ones like Transference, Onyx and Commencement. The one that pissed me off very much was season 5 since after watching the first half, I thought we were back to the high quality episodes like seasons 2 & 3, but the 2nd half completely ruined it.

If Kara is anything like Run, then yeah it will actually be good because that episode was lots of fun. However even with whats said I don't think she be as rebel like as impulse was.

I don't know. Some people who post spoilers outside the spoiler forums have said she will be a rebel. If that's true, then I'm not looking for 13 more repeats of Run. Once is enough.

Not to mention fans of the show who don't know jack about superman history like some of my friends wouldn't like a Kal-el vs Clark fight because it be too similar to how B/Clark are going to be next season.

Clark & Bizarro will likely be a 1 episode thing. If it isn't, then don't tell me since I would rather find out myself by watching the show. And I don't think it would be the same. Clark has to prove that he can defeat that side, otherwise the question will always loom if his Kal-El side as seen in Crusade is stronger than Superman. To me, it is not possible for him to become Superman until he defeats that side of himself and ends all the doubts and fear of his destiny. He still flinches at the name of Kal-El when people call him that as seen in Phantom.

IMHO showing clarks training would be a mistake unless you could find an interesting non clark related story for lionel/lana/lex and Lois during the time he is doing it, which won't be able to happen so the show would suffer.

But, that's what I'm saying. You can include them as well. That's what I am doing in my fanfics. If it's possible for me to do it, why not the professional writers?

This show might be about superman learning to being superman but you cannot just focus a season around a single character, you'll lose way to many viewers.

Like I said, they don't have to focus the season only around the training. I would do it so that season 7 would focus on:

-Clark's training
-Lex's final drop into total evil and him killing Lionel
-Chloe's fate and why she is not part of Clark's adult life
-Lana after getting away from Lex
-Lionel's final days before getting killed
-Lois getting into the Daily Planet
-Clark taking some night classes as a temporary student to get back into journalism
-The return of Pete and how he gets to his destiny (this is a big one in my fanfics)

[vikingjedi]

What's left for Clark to do? Not much that I can think of besides going away to train. I don't want this show to turn into Dawson's Creek so I say it would be wise to only have 7 seasons while everybody is under contract. Sadly I think they'll try to stretch it out to 8 as long as it still making money

I do like the idea though of showing some of Clark's training. Maybe a couple of episodes would be enough to show everybody what its like and how he finally becomes Superman

[Watching Smallville]

You know what I would like the show to explain -- how it is that Lex doesn't know that Clark Kent is Superman. I think TPTB either need to spend some time on this, or at least show why Lex would not reveal what he knows.

If there are enough loose ends that they decide to tie up, it could take an eighth season. With Smallville, it's so unpredictable. Things I expect to take two or three episodes, sometimes they polish off in 10 minutes.

[Johnny_Luck]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Thank you. Crusade was not even that good except for the Kal-El parts and the flying. Gone was horrible. There were too many fillers and only a few were fun:

-Facade
-Devoted (this was an entertaining filler)
-Jinx (it did introduce Smallville's version of Mxylptlk, so this one's OK)
-Bound (this tried to portray Lex as evil, but actually made us feel bad for him since only golddiggers seem to be interested in him)
-Unsafe
-Pariah
-Recruit
-Krypto
-Lucy
-Spirit (a very good filler)
-Blank (a good filler)
-Ageless (junk)
-Forever (an OK episode, the Luthor-Teague stuff was the best)

There were very few episodes that season that dealt with the stones (the main plot of the season). And those were Crusade, Gone (very little), Run (very little), Transference, Spell (though this was a garbage episode), Sacred (ruined thanks to the witch plot), and Commencement. Scare was a good episode that did not deal with the stones but were important on character development and their destinies. Onyx was the same, but was an even better episode.

People complain about Clark being a Big Dumb Alien (BDA). Like it or not, the only way that's going to change is for him to train.

See I see it like this

Crusade(Decent)
Gone(Underrated as it wasn't half bad)
Facade(Very mis-understood filler(where it shows us how much lana/jason stuff is going on(thus hinting at the overall arc stuff)
-Devoted (disappointing)
-Jinx (One of the bad poorly excuted eps, could have done so much more this M-Man)
-Bound (This was just horrid, horrid horrid)
-Unsafe(amazing ep)
-Pariah(amazing ep)
-Recruit(poorly excuted way of saying football not for clark)
-Krypto(stupid dog)
-Lucy(2nd worst episode in smallville history next to Velocity)
-Spirit (fantastic Episode)
-Blank (a horrid filler)
-Ageless (could have been better but still decent)
-Forever (Amazing ep, great FOTW and everything)

as for the other episodes

Run-Good, but not great,

Spell(one of the top 5 episodes of smallville and I really dislike people who dislike it because they tried something different and made lana a witch)

Scare(Amazing episode)

Sacred(Another of the top 5 episodes of smallville and again only disliked because people cannot handle whats different. The writing for it, acting and fight scenes were superb.

Spell,Scare, Unsafe, Pariah, Sacred, Spirit, Forever, Commencement(the best finale to date, even over Phantom which was top notch)

all those episode made season 4 easily worth watching.

[LoisL]

I think 8 seasons would be great. Sure I sometimes get disappointed with the direction of the show or my favorite characters (Clark, Lois) but there are still so many concepts being introduced and expanded upon during the repetitive-seeming filler.

I think season 6 was a little too soap opera-ish. But it was also a great superhero season where Clark met with the JLA, declared war upon Lex's army of metahumans, broadened his jurisdiction to Metropolis, hunted down intergalactic criminals, and found acceptance for his Kryptonian heritage (promising to train in Fallout; Lana knowing and loving him despite Kryptonian genes). While the Lexana provided most of the soap, it was played out interestingly enough as a battle of wills and depicted how far gone Lex is even with the people he claims to love.

Similarly, season 4 is at first glance a meaningless season: football, Lois filler, witches etc. But while definitely "lighter" than most seasons in this series, I think Clark matured greatly in that season and became more comfortable in himself. The football tied in to that nicely with him getting a chance to live out his old daydreams; for the most part he handled Lana's relationship with Jason maturely and kept the pining to a minimum; Alicia was a great learning experience, giving him a chance to get in touch with his metahuman roots, exercise his compassion and stare down prejudice (not to mention move beyond Lana).

Clark's relationship with his dad -and mom- really matured into a mutual respect. I love Clark's speach to his dad in Jinx before the game and how Jonathan finally smiled and replied "You sound more and more like your father"/"I hope so". My all-time favorite father/son exchange happens late into the season (Forever) as Clark tells Jonathan "Dad, this isn't about the kind of father you are. This is about the kind of son I want to be." Displaying a handful of wisdom and a bucketful of confidence! Finally, in Commencement, Jonathan lets Clark go off to save the world telling him that all the years Martha and him had raised him was for this moment "You do this thing, son, you make us proud".

Also now that we've seen Dark!Lana in season 6 I think we can better appreciate the effect of Isobelle!Lana in season 4. The stones and Teagues did a lot to bring out the darkness within Lana; Lex later trained that part of her. Chloe and Clark fully rebuilt their friendship in this season as one without romantic angst; Chloe also became a better friend with the secretkeeping duties. Finally, as another poster mentioned, Lionel made his transition from Master Villain to Shady Player in this season; his new role continues to be explored today in a clever expansion from Lionel to Lion-El.

[Izzysand]

I really wish that Smallville continues to 8 seasons, but if it is to end this season, I would like for them to tie up all loose ends and would like to see the following:

Clark training to become Superman (Not make the whole season about it, but show me how he is going to become the man he is going to become)
No more Clana (I want her to be alive, but I want this Clana thing to come to an end)
Bring Pete Back (A way to show how Lana and Pete got together)
What happenes to Chloe(I think someone mentioned this before)
Lois becoming a Reporter
Clark becoming a Reporter (I want him to go to college first and meet Lori Lemaris as in a way to move on from Lana)
Lori Lemaris (Clarks College Sweetheart to move on from Clana)
Martha Kent returning from Congress to take over the farm (Lets face it on none of the comic books was she ever a U.S. Senator)
A cameo appearance by Jonathan Kent (JS) (I've been watching my seasons again and I miss the interaction Clark had with his parents, So I'm a little nostalgic)
Lex Luthor killing Lionel Luthor and finally becoming his big bad self (Everyone wants to see this one and I would be dissapointed as a Smallville fan if this did not happen)
A what happen in Krypton Epi. (Flashback to the world before being destroyed, I guess Kara will help for that, to wishful thinking)
And finally Superman! I want to see Superman in the very last show, with all his powers and the suit or something hinting at the suit.


I'm a Supes Fan, I'm a Smallville Fan. I realized that Smallville is a re-telling of the Superman Story, as they do in the comic book world from time to time(alternate universe or crisis whatever they want to call it). This is what I like about the show because it shows us a different version of how he got there, granted that his development has slowed down in the past two seasons, but hey, when you look at it this way, we all go through a runt in our lives and Clark Kent is sort of going through one with Lana. But you have to remember that is a re-telling of a story and most of the things are going to be based on mythos but not necessarily have to follow the same path. But yeah sort of my wish list.

[LoisL]

Originally posted by Izzysand
I'm a Supes Fan, I'm a Smallville Fan. I realized that Smallville is a re-telling of the Superman Story, as they do in the comic book world from time to time(alternate universe or crisis whatever they want to call it). This is what I like about the show because it shows us a different version of how he got there, granted that his development has slowed down in the past two seasons, but hey, when you look at it this way, we all go through a runt in our lives and Clark Kent is sort of going through one with Lana. But you have to remember that is a re-telling of a story and most of the things are going to be based on mythos but not necessarily have to follow the same path.

I like this! Good thinking, Izzysand. I'm a Supes AND Smallville fan myself. Keep the tolerance alive and the mythos in sight

[Timester]

Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
See I see it like this

Crusade(Decent)
Gone(Underrated as it wasn't half bad)
Facade(Very mis-understood filler(where it shows us how much lana/jason stuff is going on(thus hinting at the overall arc stuff)
-Devoted (disappointing)
-Jinx (One of the bad poorly excuted eps, could have done so much more this M-Man)
-Bound (This was just horrid, horrid horrid)
-Unsafe(amazing ep)
-Pariah(amazing ep)
-Recruit(poorly excuted way of saying football not for clark)
-Krypto(stupid dog)
-Lucy(2nd worst episode in smallville history next to Velocity)
-Spirit (fantastic Episode)
-Blank (a horrid filler)
-Ageless (could have been better but still decent)
-Forever (Amazing ep, great FOTW and everything)

as for the other episodes

Run-Good, but not great,

Spell(one of the top 5 episodes of smallville and I really dislike people who dislike it because they tried something different and made lana a witch)

Scare(Amazing episode)

Sacred(Another of the top 5 episodes of smallville and again only disliked because people cannot handle whats different. The writing for it, acting and fight scenes were superb.

Spell,Scare, Unsafe, Pariah, Sacred, Spirit, Forever, Commencement(the best finale to date, even over Phantom which was top notch)

all those episode made season 4 easily worth watching.

You completelly missed my point. Standalone episodes doesn't make a season good or bad. The glue between them (aka main plot arc) it does. Season 4 main plot arc simply sucked. Even today, no one can explain what the hell happened on that arc, full of plot holes and contradictions and lame conceptions.

[Kal26]

Are you sure no one can explain them, or most just don't understand them. I loved season four. Thought it was one of the most exciting seasons, and it made perfect sense to me. I'm not sure what plot holes your talking about.

[Johnny_Luck]

Originally posted by Timester
You completelly missed my point. Standalone episodes doesn't make a season good or bad. The glue between them (aka main plot arc) it does. Season 4 main plot arc simply sucked. Even today, no one can explain what the hell happened on that arc, full of plot holes and contradictions and lame conceptions.

Three stones led to the fortress, humans wanted them for ultimate knowledge which would lead to power, clark wanted them because they were meant for him and not to be used by humans?

Lana got Possessed by a Ancestor who was strong already but wanted to rule over all, plus she had been searching for the stones from before her burning and thus got another run at things.

Lex wanted the stones for Greed more than power.

Jason/His mom wanted them for a mixture of Lex's and Isabella's reason.

How is that hard to understand or even plot filled?

I really disagree with the main plot sucking or even being complicated for that matter. I mean I pretty sure I could show the season to a 7 year old and he could clearly get what it was about.

and you missed my point the filler episodes do help made a season good or great even if they have nothing to do with the overall plot. Sure the ending arc has to be good as well(which I think it was), but the filler episodes help make a season a lot.

I find it funny you using this argument seeing as how most shows things like buffy/Angel, Euerka, pretty much everything have more tendency to wait til the last 3 or 4 episodes to hit us with the big arc(Baring Buffy Season 7) and rely on the rest of the filler/ not so arc based episodes to make the season great.

so if your saying filler episodes don't help make a season good then there are a lot of bad tv show season in history.

[Watching Smallville]

What I liked about the Season 4 arc was that it started in the first episode -- it grew right out of the cliffhanger, which was great. I think Seasons 4 and 6 are the only two where that's the case. I do think the execution of this arc suffered from the absence of Christopher Reeve, but all in all, I thought the idea of searching for the crystals in order to create the pathway to the Fortress was brilliant. And I really liked the archeological relics as hiding places. It tied the entire globe to the caves.

I agree it could have been done better, but I don't agree that the theme wasn't incorporated throughout the season. I just wish TPTB had found an alternative idea to the witch theme -- I didin't like it, or at least I didin't like the way it was carried out. It seemed out of place.

It would have been great to see Clark go back to New York, even if Dr. Swann wasn't there -- I thought that was a missed opportunity. Just getting the key in the mail and finding the transference stone on the corpse of Brigette whatever-her-last-name-was seemed a little abrupt. But all in all, I like the arc a lot. It was one of the best defined arcs in the series. Season 3, a terrific season, did not have an arc this well defined, IMO.

[xrayvision]

I just did not like Gone at all. The helicopter scene is perhaps the most pointless scene of the series. The T-1000 ripoff was very lame. The retconning of the Covenant footage was also lame. They could have done much better. Lois digging up a grave in the middle of the day and all by herself was fake. They should have done what Supernatural does and shown a time elapse and have her dig it up with Clark.

I just did not like Unsafe. Pariah was better because of the shocking ending, but those 2 episodes were completely for fans of relationships. They were on the same level as the horrible Wither. The balance was very off that season. Those episodes were followed by more horrible episodes (Recruit & Krypto). Then came an episode about the stones that would have been awesome had the stupid witch plotline not happened.

The best season premiere cliffhangers IMO were the one in Exile where the superpowered Jonathan supersped and crashed through the window with Clark and the one in Arrival at the very end where Milton Fine forms out of the black liquid. I also liked how in Vortex they showed Clark's ship in the field waiting to be discovered by someone.

I agree with Timester. Season 4 lacked the fabric to hold it together. The stories were all over the place and hardly about the stones. When we finally got to see Isobel vs. Genevieve, it was resolved in less than 5 minutes of Commencement's opening. They have yet to explain Lana's statement when she gave the Air stone to Clark, and they never will.

[Watching Smallville]

I didn't like Gone either, and I'm not a big fan of the Unsafe/Pariah two-parter. But overall, I thought the Season had a plan. As much as I love the episodes in Season 3, I really can't figure out what Clark's arc was in that season. Fighting his destiny -- not a strong theme, and a repeat. I just don't know what it was -- I'm open to being enlightened. :)

[xrayvision]

Clark's arc in season 3 was to deal with the fallout of running away. The events of Exodus are what started the fighting his destiny arc. So in season 3 it was new since he just met Jor-El at the end of the 2nd season. The fallout included dealing with Lionel, the blood serum, Chloe's betrayal of him, Lana (I didn't like that part of season 3), and helping out Lex from Lionel and his dark destiny. Another big part was dealing with his father's failing health. His greatest involvement was with Lionel because Lionel was at his peak in his interest in Clark in season 3.

[superhippie2000]

i say 8 because i dont want season 7 to be the last plus if it ends at 8 it will be cool cause the logo for the house of el is \8/ and it would be cool to have the 8th season have him become what he is destined to be even tho the \8/ will have to turn into the \S/.

[xrayvision]

I want 8 only if they are willing to commit one season to the characters at hand like Clark, Lois, maybe the return of Pete (& any others who would be back for an 8th season) WITHOUT any more gimmicks for ratings like they will be doing in season 7. Since Clark will again be a "guest star" in season 7, I don't expect big things. I'm hoping they could give us one final season without any new characters and without Kara so they could focus on Clark, Lois, Jimmy, Perry, Pete (hopefully), and maybe a return of Martha, and very hopefully Lex (if they can sway MR with money for 1 more season).

If they plan to use season 8 to pimp out another new character to make a spin-off show on at the expense of Smallville or Clark, then no friggin way.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Three stones led to the fortress, humans wanted them for ultimate knowledge which would lead to power, clark wanted them because they were meant for him and not to be used by humans?

Yet, he doesn't do squat all season and only on the last episode he finally realizes that he has to act. AFTER the second meteor shower.


Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Lana got Possessed by a Ancestor who was strong already but wanted to rule over all, plus she had been searching for the stones from before her burning and thus got another run at things.

Yet, end season, it changed from powerhunger to revenge without no reason. Contradicting the original premise of powerhunger.


Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Lex wanted the stones for Greed more than power.

Not true. He wanted for "Knowledge", knowing that knowledge is power.


Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
Jason/His mom wanted them for a mixture of Lex's and Isabella's reason.

Jason suffered the worst lightswitch on the show. It's common knowledge why Jason became bad just like that, because the actor was going to Supernatural.


Originally posted by Johnny_Luck
I really disagree with the main plot sucking or even being complicated for that matter. I mean I pretty sure I could show the season to a 7 year old and he could clearly get what it was about.

Of course a 7 year old can get the plot, because it looks like it was written by one (or a monkey). From 16th century cauldron witches to karate-super witch. From Jason protecting Lana (the limo scene where he was clearly against his mother) to being in league with his mother all the time. And more, Clark literally sit down his ass down all season, knowing that Jor-El did wanted the stones for some very important reason. Lana being the "Chosen One" (that came and went faster than a speeding bullet).

Not to talk about the worst end season setting off, when we get Ageless two episodes before the finale. AND the butcher editing of Gone. As a season (and I'm clearly not the only one to say it), season 4 sucked.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I didn't like Gone either, and I'm not a big fan of the Unsafe/Pariah two-parter. But overall, I thought the Season had a plan. As much as I love the episodes in Season 3, I really can't figure out what Clark's arc was in that season. Fighting his destiny -- not a strong theme, and a repeat. I just don't know what it was -- I'm open to being enlightened. :)

Season 3 is the best is terms of main plot handling. It was basically the fallout of all the previous plots, like xrayvision said. Many important things happened during the season.

Season 4... Clark was on bench since the premiere until the finale, where the stones literally fell on his hands.

Season 4 should had been about what they originally planned, the Kryptonian Cult and Clark and Lex searching for the stones a-la Indiana Jones.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Timester
Season 3 is the best is terms of main plot handling. It was basically the fallout of all the previous plots, like xrayvision said. Many important things happened during the season.
Don't get me wrong. I love Season 3. But I'm talking about a well-defined arc. A lot of important things happening does not make an arc. Fallout from previous events is not a good arc. The season was great -- but I still don't think it had a well-defined arc.

Except for Lex. Now there's a great season arc. It developed out of Lex's return and his anger at his father's involvement with his relationship with Helen. He was determined to get to him somehow, so he returned to LuthorCorp. And he found, by accident, about what happened to his grandparents. The season had a wonderful story arc for him, and he triumphed AND failed at the end. It was fantastic.

[Kal26]

The arc of season 4 was great. If you pay attention to each season, it all builds up quite nicely. Only a few points I want to make. Number one, of course the fight between G and LL would only last about five seconds, one has super human abilities, and the other doesn't. If it didn't last only a few seconds it would seem unreal, and cheap. The second is the thing about power hunger, and revenge.

I thought that plot was revealed very nicely. It is possible to be both power hungry, and then to use that power for revenge, and if the person who sparked your vengeance happens to get in the way of your quest for power ( which is what happened with G), by all means reap that revenge early.

As for clark not wanting to do anything, and the stones literally falling into his lap. Well, one of them was retrieved by Kal-El, and one of them was found by clark after a rather risky and lengthily trip. However, clark himself did not want to find the stones, and was scared to trust Jor-El, so yes, it would only stand to reason that the entire season wouldn't revolve around clark gallivanting all over the globe looking for the stones. He didn't want to find them. The season was about clark slowly coming to terms with the fact that the safest thing for everyone was for him to seek the stones out before they fell into the wrong hands. In a since it was about clark learning to trust Jor-El, and that he was only looking out for our world.

Subplot : lana learning about her ancestors, and yet another untrustworthy man she let into her life. A bit of foreshadowing for the huge relationship mistake she would later make with lex. They proved to us once again that lana picks the wrong guys while at the same time empowering her character to an extent with the whole witch thing. She picks the bad ones, but has the power to save herself, I guess.

Lana, and giving clark the stone. Very well explained, really needs no more explanation. She felt clark was who the stone was meant for. A feeling that has been confirmed as of recently. Not sure what more could be said about that. Ever had a feeling that someone was more than they seem? I have. After all lana has semi seen clark do, I would expect he to as well.

[BadToad]

Lana, and giving clark the stone. Very well explained, really needs no more explanation. She felt clark was who the stone was meant for. A feeling that has been confirmed as of recently. Not sure what more could be said about that. Ever had a feeling that someone was more than they seem? I have. After all lana has semi seen clark do, I would expect he to as well.

I think the biggest problem with that is that there was no follow-up. So, Lana gives Clark this supernatural stone, covered in blood, tells him that it was meant for him and asks him not to question her, and then....the 2 of them never discuss it again? How nonsensical is that? Lana never said "So, what did you do with that stone?" And suddenly the tatoo and nasty ancester ghost was gone, and Lana never tought about it again?

One of the reasons the stones/witch arc of S4 was so silly to me is that it just didn't conclude in a logical way. Sure, we got the FOS out of it, but it also seemed as if all the characters suddenly got amnesia about what had happened during that year.

I'm probably in a unique position in that I enjoy S4 for its filler episodes more then for its rather silly stones/witch arc. The only episode that dealt heavily with that subject that I believed was a success was Transference (not counting the premiere and finale). IMO, you could've entirely removed the whole magic tatoo/witch ancester part of the season and really lost nothing in the overall execution and conclusion. I was actually OK with Clark's reluctance to just take Jor-el's word and go off on some directless search, and if the season had concentrated more on that push/pull of Clark's choice, I think it would've been more well received. And it also would've given Lex more to do, by making him the main pursuer of the stones, not Lana and her boyfriend du jour.

But like I said, I do like S4 for its sillier, cheesier eps. Devoted, Facade, Jynx, Spirit, Blank, Run, Forever, Onyx, Unsafe, Pariah...I enjoy them all to various degrees.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Timester
Season 4 should had been about what they originally planned, the Kryptonian Cult and Clark and Lex searching for the stones a-la Indiana Jones.

Huh? Kryptonian cult? That sounds very interesting. What fools they were to have the plot that they did rather than what you said. This is the first tme I've heard about this.

I keep saying it. Lana after season 3 (as in Season 4) should have gone to Belle Reve to speak to a doctor to get over all her abandonment & trust issues. After finishing off with her sessions, she should have started to work there as a volunteer or something so that she could be involved in the storylines (which greatly involve Belle Reve) without idiotic things like witches. Even further, they could have made Lex act out his desire for Lana for the first time by breaking into her medical records and finding very personal info about her or by talking to a doctor to mess with her head. That should have been Lana's season 4 plot.

As for Clark & Lex, I would of course throw Lionel into the mix for the search of the stones. I think Jason could have worked as a one season character if they didn't lightswitch him and kept him as a mysterious guy who befriends Clark and learns his secret early in the season. I don't know if I could blame them for what they did with him since they had no idea at the beginning that he would get an offer to be a star of Supernatural.

[Kal26]

Originally posted by BadToad
I think the biggest problem with that is that there was no follow-up. So, Lana gives Clark this supernatural stone, covered in blood, tells him that it was meant for him and asks him not to question her, and then....the 2 of them never discuss it again? How nonsensical is that? Lana never said "So, what did you do with that stone?" And suddenly the tatoo and nasty ancester ghost was gone, and Lana never tought about it again?


I can see that. I would think she would ask about the stone again at some point. Clark on the other hand would hope that she wouldn't, and she would know that any answer he'd give her would be a lie. So, she probably just figured it better left alone. She got rid of the witch, and her would be killer, and wanted to get back to normal. A constant theme on the show, teens not wanting to think about what just happened, and move on.

It would have been just as good a season without that arc, but I did enjoy it, and that's what it's all about. I guess they just wanted to bring some supernatural into clarks life. I saw it as preparation for the magic users he'd eventually meet. Like Zatanna, and Dr. fate, and so on. This way he has a little experience with magic users, and knows what to expect of his powers when helping his magic using friends against magic using foes.

[Spirit Detective]

The Season that I had a real issue would probably be 5. He NEVER went back to the Fortress to continue his freakin training. I'm so pissed at that. If he had trained more, he wouldn't have to worry about Milton Fine and be the BDA that he was in Vessel.

At least in Season 6, there were episodes where Clark was shown looking fr Zoners and being proactive.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Spirit Detective
The Season that I had a real issue would probably be 5. He NEVER went back to the Fortress to continue his freakin training. I'm so pissed at that. If he had trained more, he wouldn't have to worry about Milton Fine and be the BDA that he was in Vessel.

At least in Season 6, there were episodes where Clark was shown looking fr Zoners and being proactive.

I think one fault of Arrival was that they could have made Clark not look like a BDA regarding failing to get back in time. They could have done a better job actually justifying why he couldn't get back, such as making it very difficult for him to stop the Kryptonians where it would be well after sundown when he would finally stop them. Or instead have him not go back because the lives of family members like Jonathan & Martha were in severe danger and they would die if he left. The way they did it was not like that. Lana was not in danger of dying. She wasn't losing blood or anything. He could have left her and Lex would have gotten her to the doctor.

Another thing that was never explained was why he lost his powers. I came up with an interesting way to explain it that would also support my idea for Clark's training in the 2nd to the last paragraph of the below post:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3176640#post3176640

[Nospam]

Originally posted by xrayvision
They need to have a season without any distractions where Clark goes for his training throughout the entire season. No Kara, no Lana, no Chloe...nobody to bother him like they do now. I would like at least some of these characters to remain during his training where they have to fend for themselves or rely on each other (not Clark).

This would be incredibly boring to watch and, no offense, I don't understand this obsession with Clark training that really was only present in the first Superman movie. In every other incarnation of the Superman legend he either traveled the world or went from Smallville to Metropolis to start his career as Superman. And it's not like any training is going to make Clark any more intelligent, or faster, or stronger or really anything more than he is now.

Your suggestion that the show needs to focus on some sort of training for Clark highlights the fact that TPTB have utterly failed over the last six seasons to develop Clark's character in any meaningful way. It's tantamount to admitting that Clark is deficient and that only training in the FOS will "fix" him.


The biggest reason I believe there will be a season 8 is because of the low quality of all the other shows on the CW channel, except for Supernatural.

I have to agree with you here. The CW really doesn't have anything worth watching except for Smallville and Supernatural. An eighth season, as much as I would hate to see it given that I believe the show has run out of creative energy, seems more and more likely.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Nospam


This would be incredibly boring to watch and, no offense, I don't understand this obsession with Clark training that really was only present in the first Superman movie. In every other incarnation of the Superman legend he either traveled the world or went from Smallville to Metropolis to start his career as Superman. And it's not like any training is going to make Clark any more intelligent, or faster, or stronger or really anything more than he is now.

Your suggestion that the show needs to focus on some sort of training for Clark highlights the fact that TPTB have utterly failed over the last six seasons to develop Clark's character in any meaningful way. It's tantamount to admitting that Clark is deficient and that only training in the FOS will "fix" him.
[/B]

I do think that TPTB have utterly failed over the last 3 seasons to develop Clark's character in a positive direction. He failed to secure the stones until it was too late, failed to get back to the FOS in time after promising Jor-El, continued to pursue a relationship with Lana in season 5 when only 2 seasons before he was smart enough to realize that it would never work, allowed Zod to return without going to Jor-El in time to find out a way to stop Brainiac from bringing him back, released a bunch of prisoners from the Phantom Zone as a result of his lack of action in preventing Zod's return, did very little to go after the prisoners, promised to finish his training program after the prisoners were taken care of (which will likely be early season 7), and allowed Lana to die and then went back to play God and change time to spare her life by giving up his own father's life when he knew someone else would die because he didn't get back to Jor-El in time in Arrival.

I've said many times that I don't want his training to be staring at a bunch of symbols in the FOS. I was very disappointed in the way the Reeve movie did it. I don't want the training to fix his character...and by this I mean I don't want it to correct the faults I just listed in the 1st paragraph. No, instead I want it to teach him about his home planet, about how to operate the FOS, and about how to use his powers in combinations & ways that will prevent him from getting owned by those like Zod in fights. I'm tired of that. And I don't want Jor-El to teach him that. I want him to learn through hands-on experience by once and for all settling the score with his other self and proving that he can defeat that part of himself & keep it in control so that he is no longer afraid of it. A war between Clark and his Kal-El side could have some many benefits, especially when other characters like Lex, Lois, and Chloe would interact with his Kal-El side. I've said many times that this should be done in such a way that Clark makes a drawing of a suit for Ollie to make for that he would start to wear to hide his identity with. Then, the black-k seperation occurs and they both have the same suit on, only Clark takes it off while Kal-El continues to wear it. This could help dispell the myth that Clark will be Superman later on if Lex sees them both at the same time.

I have other posts that explain in more detail how such a war would work as a major part of his training & all the benefits that would come with it:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2815498#post2815498

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75531

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3176640#post3176640

I even wrote 3 fanfic season 7 episodes with such an idea, and they have so far been very interesting. I plan to continue and try to do a full 22 episode season of fanfics and if things get boring, I will be the 1st to admit it.

[Die Clana! Die]

I'm all for season 9, with the core characters: Clark, Lois, Jimmy and the return of Perry. Possibly guest starring Chloe who dissapeared in Season 7 because she got a great job offer either in New York, Gotham City, Star City or she went off to join the JL.

I'd love for Chloe to join the JL, what with her new powers and all.

I wanna see Chloe grow into her powers in season 7, a la Clark in season 1. Perhaps decide the world needs another superhero rather than a reporter.

That would be so awsome, she already has the tech saviness of a sidekick, but now she can become a superhero beside Oliver. Maybe even fall in love with him (or Bart for that matter), that would give her character growth since she was an investigative reporter since the beginning of the show. Perhaps her newfound calling would push Clark into superheroedom, making Chloe an important character in the arc.

Also, that would free up Jimmy to pursue Kara, and free up the DP for Lois.

[thedean123]

Originally posted by Nospam
This would be incredibly boring to watch and, no offense, I don't understand this obsession with Clark training that really was only present in the first Superman movie. In every other incarnation of the Superman legend he either traveled the world or went from Smallville to Metropolis to start his career as Superman. And it's not like any training is going to make Clark any more intelligent, or faster, or stronger or really anything more than he is now.
I actually totally agree with this, however in this incarnation of Clark Kent i really think he needs a reason to disapear for a long time to get off of everybody's radar and I think his training is as go excuse as any. He's just too much of a celebrity in Smallville as this guy that is always there to save the day, but I do not think showing his training in any great detail is a good idea.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by xrayvision
I do think that TPTB have utterly failed over the last 3 seasons to develop Clark's character in a positive direction. He failed to secure the stones until it was too late, failed to get back to the FOS in time after promising Jor-El, continued to pursue a relationship with Lana in season 5 when only 2 seasons before he was smart enough to realize that it would never work, allowed Zod to return without going to Jor-El in time to find out a way to stop Brainiac from bringing him back, released a bunch of prisoners from the Phantom Zone as a result of his lack of action in preventing Zod's return, did very little to go after the prisoners, promised to finish his training program after the prisoners were taken care of (which will likely be early season 7), and allowed Lana to die and then went back to play God and change time to spare her life by giving up his own father's life when he knew someone else would die because he didn't get back to Jor-El in time in Arrival.
He was basically a kid for all of these circumstances, not even in his 20's, all of this is a lot to put on someone's shoulders at that age, and in the end he did resolve the issues.

No, instead I want it to teach him about his home planet, about how to operate the FOS, and about how to use his powers in combinations & ways that will prevent him from getting owned by those like Zod in fights.
That all screams boring in my opinion, and as far as getting smoked by Zod that was his first fight with someone who matched him as far as abilities go, and Zod is a seasoned warrior and Clark was a farmer. Since then we saw him handle Titan who posed a real threat of death to Clark, and no hesitation in engaging Bizarro. I don't know how you could deny his growth towards being a hero especially in this last season.[/B]

I'm tired of that. And I don't want Jor-El to teach him that. I want him to learn through hands-on experience by once and for all settling the score with his other self and proving that he can defeat that part of himself & keep it in control so that he is no longer afraid of it.
I don't know where you see this fear, as the show goes on Clark is more and more accepting of his Kryptonian side. He's even said things along the lines of "I am Kal-El of Krypton", to have him all of a sudden want to fight that side of himself would just be wierd and out of no where at this point, maybe if they did something like this is season 4 that could of worked. To be honest a Kal-El vs Clark fight in ONE show might be a entertaining battle but on the other side Clark vs Clark will probably be a little played out depending on how they handle Bizarro.

A war between Clark and his Kal-El side could have some many benefits, especially when other characters like Lex, Lois, and Chloe would interact with his Kal-El side. I've said many times that this should be done in such a way that Clark makes a drawing of a suit for Ollie to make for that he would start to wear to hide his identity with. Then, the black-k seperation occurs and they both have the same suit on, only Clark takes it off while Kal-El continues to wear it. This could help dispell the myth that Clark will be Superman later on if Lex sees them both at the same time.
Seriously, this sounds like its straight out of a bad saturday morning cartoon. I'm sorry but this would never work on this show, and as far this would dispell the myth that Clark will be superman in the future I don't see that at all, straight up clark needs to disapear and everyone get on with their lives without Clark around, then he can return to a insignificant existance off the radar as Clark Kent.

[petewillreturn]

I think it should have been done in 7 seasons but the way they dragged some story lines I think there needs to be 8.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by thedean123
He was basically a kid for all of these circumstances, not even in his 20's, all of this is a lot to put on someone's shoulders at that age, and in the end he did resolve the issues.

So was the Clark Kent of every other incarnation of Superman as a youth. But he didn't let this type of stuff happen. Look, I'm not trying to say he should be perfect, because that wouldn't be interesting. But he should at least be shown to be special and to be someone who grew up with that extra something that none of his other friends, classmates, etc have that will make him Superman. I just don't get how someone could blame themselves for everything bad that happens yet repeatedly does nothing to stop future disaster. Spider-Man was 17 in the comics when he learned that with great power comes great responsibility. Clark should know that by now. It makes no sense how he knew in season 3 that he could never be with Lana only for him at the end of season 4 and throughout 60% of season 5 to be & stay with Lana. Same with season 6, only he got worse and started kissing a married woman. In Run, Clark knew that the stones were very important. What did he do? He went against his parents' authority by playing football instead of what he should have really done, which is gone after the stones. He knew after Spell that Lana was possessed by a witch who was after it. If that wasn't enough, then I don't know what is. For a normal kid without powers or the sense of responsibility that Jonathan taught Clark, I would agree that it would be too much of a burden. But Clark should be able to handle it.


Originally posted by thedean123
That all screams boring in my opinion, and as far as getting smoked by Zod that was his first fight with someone who matched him as far as abilities go, and Zod is a seasoned warrior and Clark was a farmer. Since then we saw him handle Titan who posed a real threat of death to Clark, and no hesitation in engaging Bizarro. I don't know how you could deny his growth towards being a hero especially in this last season.

If Zod is a warrior, it's one who can fight without abilities. But as far as abilities are concerned, Clark is the expert & Zod is a novice. Zod never had those abilities on Krypton, whereas Clark had abilities almost his whole life.

As for Bizarro, he once again waited for the Bizarro phantom to come to him and was not proactive. If he was serious, he would have been looking all over. He would have tracked down the MM himself and found out what was going on. I can't stand how everyone else know's what's going on other than Clark, who has little or nothing & gets the full story at the last minute. I pointed out that in Fallout, Clark said he would put off his training ONLY to stop the Phantom Zone prisoners. After that episode ended, there were 16 episodes to go. Out of those 16, only 4 had phantoms in it (Static, Labyrinth, Combat, and Phantom). He was only proactive in looking for Aldar (Static) & Titan (Combat). And the only reason he went looking for Titan was because he was heartbroken after the Lexana wedding. That is the sorriest means of motivation for someone who is supposed to become Superman. After everything that happened, he should not need anger from Lana backlash or anything else to motivate him. In the remaining 12 of 16 episodes after Fallout that didn't have zoners, he never even tried looking for any of them.

Any growth you may see is only on an episode basis, like Zod & Fallout and maybe Progeny, Hydro & Freak. Besides those episodes, he was right back to Lana. I can't even stand how incompetent he was portrayed in Justice. That is the main reason I hate that episode. At the end of the last few seasons, any development he has gotten was wiped out thanks to Lana-pining.


Originally posted by thedean123
I don't know where you see this fear, as the show goes on Clark is more and more accepting of his Kryptonian side. He's even said things along the lines of "I am Kal-El of Krypton", to have him all of a sudden want to fight that side of himself would just be wierd and out of no where at this point, maybe if they did something like this is season 4 that could of worked. To be honest a Kal-El vs Clark fight in ONE show might be a entertaining battle but on the other side Clark vs Clark will probably be a little played out depending on how they handle Bizarro.

I see this fear anytime he refuses to use common sense and go to his biological father for help when he's in over his head. It is one thing to put off his training to stop the escaped prisoners, but a complete other to not once go to the FOS and ask his father about advice, pointers, or much needed info on his enemies. Since Fallout the FOS has been functioning, but he never went back for any advice or anything other than the crystal, and that was offscreen. Clark knowing that some of the deadliest criminals from the universe are on Earth & not going to consult his father once wreaks of only 1 thing to me, and that is fear. Perhaps fear that Jor-El will keep him there or a repeat of the past...I don't know. But after getting trapped in the Phantom Zone, I don't think Clark wants to face Jor-El until it's time to train. And that to me wreaks of fear, after how illogical it is not to go to him. He also did the same in season 5. Why didn't he go back to Jor-El or try to after losing his powers? Because he was afraid his chance to live like a human would end. At the end of Arrival, he was happy that Jor-El washed his hands off him. Even after Jonathan died, he was angry at Jor-El, when he had himself to blame. He was afraid to go back until he was forced to do so when warnings of Zod came about.


Originally posted by thedean123
Seriously, this sounds like its straight out of a bad saturday morning cartoon. I'm sorry but this would never work on this show, and as far this would dispell the myth that Clark will be superman in the future I don't see that at all, straight up clark needs to disapear and everyone get on with their lives without Clark around, then he can return to a insignificant existance off the radar as Clark Kent.

Oh man. I wish I could convince you otherwise. I'm not sure what element of this show you like. For me, it's action & mythos. All I can say is that I'm writing episodes incorporating this idea, and I can promise you that they are anything but boring. My idea is not to have them go at it every episode, but only 6-7 episodes out of a 22 episode season. And the episodes would not be just about them fighting. You would have a battle scene, then switch over to a Lex scene, then switch over to a Lois/Chloe investigating scene, then to Pete and other characters I think should be reintroduced to the show and then the battle scene again.

So far, I have had scenes between Lex, Pete & Kal-El while Clark was getting taught about Kryptonian history by Jor-El at the FOS. Besides the war, I have so many other things that I KNOW should be done between characters like Lex-Pete, Lex-Lionel, Chloe-Lois, Lex-Lana, Lionel-Chloe, Lex-Lucas, and more.

If Lex sees Kal-El in a suit tending to criminals while Clark is standing next to Lex at the same time, where Kal-El is using his powers, don't you think this would divert Lex's focus from Clark in a significant manner? Especially if the suit has the Kryptonian "8" symbol on it? Add a prior history of Clark wearing a copy of the same suit (thanks to black-k seperation) & calling his disguised self Naman, and Lex when seeing Kal-El wear the suit will know that Kal-El is Naman. This is another thing I'm doing in my episodes. Lex even overheard Kal-El in the Naman suit revealing his name as Kal-El, and now Lex is convinced that Kal-El is a friend of Aethyr & Nam-Ek from Arrival. In my episodes, this will be his greatest motivation to completely revamp himself and show the world who the real MB is.

I'm sorry, but I think this is anything but boring.

[upsidedown]

An 8th season will happen, I think.

Although I don't know if they'll be able to pick it up (the humor, writing, creativity, :D budget...).
Smallville could die a slow death. :(

[rollergirl42]

We know Tom is signed up for 2 more season and Michael is only doing 1 more. so as long as they complete Clark's journey and battle someone other than Lex and as long as the writting is up to par I would watch as long as they want to air it..

[Kal26]

I second that. I'd watch the show if clark were in his mid forties even. I'm so involved with this cast, and this show, that after smallville, I'll probably go back to only watching movies, and of course smallville dvds.

[Sharkie]

I think it will be 8. I can't see the CW willfully letting Smallville go.

[Bigx07]

I really want it to never end... but every good show has to end. So i hope it goes to eight seasone.

[TKFlash]

I think there will be a season eight because they have already started making season 7. If they don't get thier ratings up, season 8 will be the last.

[boywithbluehanger]

I'm in shock....as a fan of Smallville I assumed that most people thought that the recent quality of Clark's journey to becoming Superman is making the first 2 seasons appear irrelevant.

In S2 & 3, Clark was slowing accepting his ancestral heritage. Then season 4 came around and he was finally sent on a mission to extend the knowledge of his culture. In S5's season finale, Clark learns the truth and is pretty much all but forced to accept Jor-El as his biological father.

...

Then theres S6, where NOTHING builds on ANY of that! Seriously, even though S5 abondended the important caves, it at least expanded the truth about Jor-El and the destruction of Krypton. Sure I found S6 tons of fun with the Green Arrow subplots, the Martian Manhunter mystery, the reunion of most of the good guys Clark saved in Justice, the hinting of Chloe's powers, and the blatantly extreme evil of Lex ! But notice one thing...one core element was greatly missing - Where was the Clark story?!!

S6 was more about everyone else than it was about Clark. More Lana, more Lex, more Chloe even! (yeah who would've thought :rolleyes: ) And to be comepletely fair, I believe that Clark is pretty much Superman at this point. regardlessof the imperfections and stupid decisions here and there. My biggest gripe is that now that they've established Clark Kent as a lighthearted powerful farmboy who is capable of being proactive, can't we build up on his intrest in journalism already?! A season of Clark being an intern for the Smallville Ledger would've been fine with practically anybody!

I can understand that the show's writers have their backs up against a wall by having to continue creating stories for a series that they had originally planned to have had ended at most up to 5 years but even the "bump on the log" knew that maybe an entire season of Clark just hunting phantoms doesn't really hold up to previous seasons where the major arc was based on a not-so-revealing mystery.

After the fashion of season 6, I think S7 needs to redeem or bring closure to Smallvilles core mystery through Kara. I would be tremendously letdown if S7 continues down a similar path S6. And honestly, even though Smallville is my most favorite show of all time, all good things must come to an end. I vote NO for eight seasons! :D

End this story and end it well.

[supergirl28]

i heard Kristen Kreuk say that Smallville will last up to season six or seven. obviously season six just ended. if the producers can explain everything they need to in the next 21 episodes or so then sadly this will be the last season if not, then joy fof all of us.

[ClarkyBoy14]

In an interview a couple of months ago Al and/or Miles said that if 7 is the last season they likely won't find out until about the middle (I'm guessing so the CW can see the ratings and such), and they'll start wrapping it up then. I want them to know from the start that they will be writing the last season, so I hope that there's an eighth. And w/the news that TW has signed a contract for 8 years, I think it's a definite possibility. I just hope that MR will be able to make a couple of appearances.

[DeeperWell]

I'd prefer only seven seasons, but eight would be cool if they use stuff from the comics a little more.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
I'm in shock....as a fan of Smallville I assumed that most people thought that the recent quality of Clark's journey to becoming Superman is making the first 2 seasons appear irrelevant.

In S2 & 3, Clark was slowing accepting his ancestral heritage. Then season 4 came around and he was finally sent on a mission to extend the knowledge of his culture. In S5's season finale, Clark learns the truth and is pretty much all but forced to accept Jor-El as his biological father.

...

Then theres S6, where NOTHING builds on ANY of that! Seriously, even though S5 abondended the important caves, it at least expanded the truth about Jor-El and the destruction of Krypton. Sure I found S6 tons of fun with the Green Arrow subplots, the Martian Manhunter mystery, the reunion of most of the good guys Clark saved in Justice, the hinting of Chloe's powers, and the blatantly extreme evil of Lex ! But notice one thing...one core element was greatly missing - Where was the Clark story?!!

S6 was more about everyone else than it was about Clark. More Lana, more Lex, more Chloe even! (yeah who would've thought :rolleyes: ) And to be comepletely fair, I believe that Clark is pretty much Superman at this point. regardlessof the imperfections and stupid decisions here and there. My biggest gripe is that now that they've established Clark Kent as a lighthearted powerful farmboy who is capable of being proactive, can't we build up on his intrest in journalism already?! A season of Clark being an intern for the Smallville Ledger would've been fine with practically anybody!

I can understand that the show's writers have their backs up against a wall by having to continue creating stories for a series that they had originally planned to have had ended at most up to 5 years but even the "bump on the log" knew that maybe an entire season of Clark just hunting phantoms doesn't really hold up to previous seasons where the major arc was based on a not-so-revealing mystery.

After the fashion of season 6, I think S7 needs to redeem or bring closure to Smallvilles core mystery through Kara. I would be tremendously letdown if S7 continues down a similar path S6. And honestly, even though Smallville is my most favorite show of all time, all good things must come to an end. I vote NO for eight seasons! :D

End this story and end it well.

I agree. But because Kara will be in more than half of season 7, we can forget about it being mostly about Clark. Based on TPTB's track record, my guess is that they will have it based on Kara's relationships with humans & Clark and her development. That is why I want an 8th season--because I want the final season to not have distractions from other intruding heroes and finally get back to the Clark story that the first 3 seasons were very strong in. Since season 7 won't have the training, I want an 8th one to capture the training. I also want the 8th to show how he gets into journalism, how Perry & Lois get to the DP, and how Pete gets into politics and becomes Lex's partner.

I really think they messed up big. Season 7 should have been the return of Pete as he works for Lex as an intern. It should also finalize the rest of the fallout between Lex & Clark and Lex and Lionel. I don't know how they will blend Kara into Lex storylines. They should have brought her in season 8 after Lex is no longer on the show and spend season 7 getting the most out of MR's last season as Lex.

[Die Clana! Die]

Oh, God! I knew this Kara thing would ruin it all. And I didn't know it was Lex' final season. Bummer. Can't have Clark without Lex. Such a bummer.

One question, though. How is Lana supposed to marry Pete when he is going to work for Lex? This one...is very tricky to overcome. I guess they'll have to wipe her mind or something. And than have Lex in the background always scheming to regain her affections....

[Wooderson_Grey]

Yea, i really didnt care for having a season 8 at first, because i was excited about wrapping up Clarks mythology, but since the news of Kara, i agree with Xray, now im scared that too much attention will be put toward her story. So i think now that we may need a season 8, so we can really get into the introduction of superman. But you never know, good writing can accomplish anything.

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by xrayvision
That is why I want an 8th season--because I want the final season to not have distractions from other intruding heroes and finally get back to the Clark story that the first 3 seasons were very strong in.

After seeing what Smallville has been after S5's Aqua, Cyborg, and Vengeance, I highly doubt we'll see a season mostly devoted to Clark again. The guest-hero syndrome has plagued Smallville and more than likely will continue to because of all the HEROES buzz. Don't get me wrong, I like it but it comes at a steep price. I would never have sacrificed the conclusion of Clark's journey for "semi-filler" superhero appearances. At the end of the day its all about the ratings which leads me to believe that unfortunately, as far as "intruding heroes" goes, we're just in the eye of the storm.

But xrayvision...here's to hoping you're right.

I like your idea of Pete coming back this season to side with Lex. It actually would force the writers to cleverly write arcs regarding Pete for once. Mainly because Pete knows Clarks "secret" (not much of a secret now that Lex knows Clark has a certain level of invulnerability after the "bent tool" subplot...which surprisingly NO ONE on these forums seems to think is important to the story :o ). Hopefully he'll work with Lex while keeping Lana hidden. That would make him a pretty badass character to be playing both sides.

Hey he said he was "always down for a lil undercover brutha!" :D

Gotta love Pete!

[Kal26]

I forgot that line. That has to be one of the all time best. :D

[boywithbluehanger]

My all time favorite Pete line is "GIVE ME THE DAMN KEYS!" :lol:

That was his Samuel L Jackson moment. :)

[LoisLane85]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
unfortunately, as far as "intruding heroes" goes, we're just in the eye of the storm.

Unfortunatly, I have to agree with you. We've only just seen the start of random Superheroes being thrown into the story. It seems almost too Justice League-ish. If that makes any sense. We've already seen the start of the league. And it seems that AlMiles are going to continue introducing more heroes. Perhaps part of their plans are in the hopes of a spin-off series. They've already tried the Aquaman series... maybe they're using Smallville as a stepping stone to gauge the reaction to other heroes, like Green Arrow and Supergirl.

On the Supergirl topic, she aparently becomes the love interest of one Jimmy Olsen. I'm sorry, but that's just going to be a distracting red herring in the story.

If they continue to write poor story arcs, that seemingly have nothing to do with the previous seasons, Smallville is only going to last for 7-- As much as I'd like to see that it continues. There are far too many 'plot-holes' in season six. Too many things that have been forgotten about, and too many things to be answered in season seven's first episode.

Like.... what happened to college.... we know that Clark decided to drop out to take care of the farm. But what about Lana, and Chloe-- who spent half of season four trying to get into Met U-- they didn't graduate....

And why is Chloe still living in Smallville at the Talon with Lois when she works in Metropolis.... a THREE HOUR DRIVE...? Wouldn't that be alittle tedious... driving 6 hours a day to go to work, or college, but she seemingly doesn't go anymore....

I have so many complaints about season 6... All I can say is they better pick it ip for season 7 or there isn't any hope of seeing season 8

[krpto]

Originally posted by LoisLane85
Unfortunatly, I have to agree with you. We've only just seen the start of random Superheroes being thrown into the story. It seems almost too Justice League-ish. If that makes any sense. We've already seen the start of the league. And it seems that AlMiles are going to continue introducing more heroes. Perhaps part of their plans are in the hopes of a spin-off series. They've already tried the Aquaman series... maybe they're using Smallville as a stepping stone to gauge the reaction to other heroes, like Green Arrow and Supergirl.

On the Supergirl topic, she aparently becomes the love interest of one Jimmy Olsen. I'm sorry, but that's just going to be a distracting red herring in the story.

If they continue to write poor story arcs, that seemingly have nothing to do with the previous seasons, Smallville is only going to last for 7-- As much as I'd like to see that it continues. There are far too many 'plot-holes' in season six. Too many things that have been forgotten about, and too many things to be answered in season seven's first episode.

Like.... what happened to college.... we know that Clark decided to drop out to take care of the farm. But what about Lana, and Chloe-- who spent half of season four trying to get into Met U-- they didn't graduate....

And why is Chloe still living in Smallville at the Talon with Lois when she works in Metropolis.... a THREE HOUR DRIVE...? Wouldn't that be alittle tedious... driving 6 hours a day to go to work, or college, but she seemingly doesn't go anymore....

I have so many complaints about season 6... All I can say is they better pick it ip for season 7 or there isn't any hope of seeing season 8

I like the different heroes in smallville I just wish clark would show some progress while they are around instead of going backwards.

College should be mentioned from time to time even or make it clear they aren't going people do mention what is going on in thier live other then just work and reationships.

The talon needs to be sold to someone other then lex if it is to remain the cool hang out or appartment for half the characters. Sorry but no sane person would live in or even buy coffee from a place Lex owns if they knew what he was doing so if lex continues to own the talon give chloe, lois, and lana a different place to live that isn't owned by the luthors.

[2shae]

Simply said...
I think we are all hoping for a season 8 but it probably won't happen :(

[LoisLane85]

Originally posted by krpto


The talon needs to be sold to someone other then lex if it is to remain the cool hang out or appartment for half the characters. Sorry but no sane person would live in or even buy coffee from a place Lex owns if they knew what he was doing so if lex continues to own the talon give chloe, lois, and lana a different place to live that isn't owned by the luthors.

OMG! I never even thought about that. Lois and Chloe live at the Talon and Lex owns it. Lex threatened Chloe. I wonder if that's going to be some sort of advantage for him.

I also think that Lois is working in the great expose' of Lex Luthor that gets her recognized by the Daily Planet (or so it happens in the comics). perhaps it's too soon for Lois to make the move to the planet. Lex would have access to her apartment.... dun dun... oh man... STORY IDEA!!!!

*runs away to write*

[Krypton935]

It has got to go 8!!!!

[maryjanewatson]

PLEASE let there only be 7seasons. I will do anything! just please stop there!

they have already run out of ideas and thinking they can drag out 2 more seasons is ridiculous. they need to quit before they are so far behind, that people start forget why they liked smallville in the first place.

[Jaded Wolf]

I think it has been a standard rule for most series to end after the 7th season. I know there have been exceptions to this; Simpsons, 7th Heaven, and some others. However, it just always seems like the 6th season is so lackluster because the writers have ran out of gas. Buffy the Vampire Slayer showed that. While it was a good season and it had some memorable moments, the season compared to the ones before was not that great. Smallville has this same problem. Season 6 left me lost and not interested in it. It got too soap opera-like and repeated too much of what had been done before. By the time the season was over I was like "eh..." I think the seventh season should mark the end. Go out with a bang. Take a cue from Joss Whedon and Buffy. Let it all explode from one episode to the other and hold nothing back.


Not to mention you said you expect Kara to cause the ratings to drop? If anything she add viewers to the show as people want a new interesting character and want to see interaction with clark.

The only reason the addition of Kara will boost the viewers is because of the male tendency to view eye candy. I give that about two to three episodes before that interest fades.

[Kal26]

I don't know, there are whole lot of female supergirl fans out there. It may not be catastrophic, but I expect the ratings to jump at least a bit.

[opoooopoooo]

Personally I think that Smallville and TPTB dont really know when to quit and so even though it is probably in everyone's best interest in the long run (especially the good name of Smallville) for it to end after seven seasons they will do eight.
Just my belief.

But tbh in the short run i wouldn't mind if there were eight seasons bcos i am quite addicted to my smallville fix and the longer its around the better. :)

BTW i also agree that Supergirl will only add eyecandy to male viewers and that will only last a few episodes.

She won't even be supergirl..because she has no suit/donnd the name etc. She will be Kara and I'm not sure if there are many supergirl fans out there who want to watch Kara not Supergirl.

Pure speculation of course.

[Kal26]

Well, that is a point, but that would be like saying there aren't a lot of superman fans out there who want a story about clark. Obviously there are. I'm speculating as well.

[Nospam]

I completely agree.

[lOveclana]

i think that the 6th season was FANTASTIC i loved what they did with it the wedding made me cry and the last ep did aswell they did way better in this season i really enjoyed it. i think there will be 8 seasoins and i sure do hope they do!!!!!!!!!!

[ElVibo]

With the spoilers of future s7 episodes i highly doubt that S7 will bring Clark Kents journey to becoming superman.

They need S8 to be a high powered nitro fueling maniac on steriods to show what Clark kent is capable of.

[Brizzle]

I think after 7 they should be done smallville is losing it's edge and I don't think supergurl is gonna bring ratings up but maybe i will be proven wrong.

[Kal26]

Originally posted by ElVibo
With the spoilers of future s7 episodes i highly doubt that S7 will bring Clark Kents journey to becoming superman.

They need S8 to be a high powered nitro fueling maniac on steriods to show what Clark kent is capable of.


That could be the coolest avatar I've ever seen!

[Cryptic16]

I personally think that Season 7 will be the last chapter. I read an article somewhere saying that both Michael Rosenbaum and Kristen Kruek will not continue after Season 7. Without them, I fear Smallville might come to a close. I hope that I'm wrong though.

[rollergirl42]

Tom is signed on for season 8. who needs all the Lex and Lana drama anyway we still have Chloe right? maybe with Lex and Lana gone he will finanally grow some and fulfill his destiny!!!

[Jory]

Originally posted by rollergirl42
Tom is signed on for season 8. who needs all the Lex and Lana drama anyway we still have Chloe right? maybe with Lex and Lana gone he will finanally grow some and fulfill his destiny!!!


Allison might be gone after Season 7 too.

[rollergirl42]

Oh I did not realize that, maybe Lois will be his girl friday and finally they will be working together at the Planet.

[ofie]

I am hoping for 8 but it all depends on how this season goes.

[Jedidan]

Its time to bring Bruce Wayne to Smallville to spice things up to prepare for the Batman/Superman movie which is in the works. Still no word yet if Christian Bale and Tom Welling will be the actors but thats what has been hinted at so far. Also... BRING BACK ALICIA!! :)

[Wooderson_Grey]

really, theres a Batman/Superman movies in the works? sounds awesome. I wonder who will play who.
rock and roll

[Kal26]

I'm hoping for Bale/Routhe, but you never know.

[smallvillereporter27]

Oh please let it only be seven seasons. Without Lex in season 8 I can only see bad things. Clark needs to become Superman...very soon. They can't keep dragging it out! I wouldn't mind a movie with the Smallville cast after season 7 though...

[Jedidan]

I will say that ever since CW took over from WB that the show has went downhill some. I think they had more freedom with "out of the box" ideas under WB leadership than CW. And yes without Lex being the main Antagonist to lead Clark to superman status the show will suffer.

[MidgardDragon]

I will say that ever since CW took over from WB that the show has went downhill some.

The advertising, yes. The show, no. Season 6 was fanvoted the #1 season on a recent forum poll. Season 4 took away form some of Season 3's greatness, but then Season 5 and 6 just topped 3 and eventually each other.

[Eckyboy]

You must have been watching a different show from me midgard. Season 5 was horrendous and featured some of the most lazy and pointless episodes ever. Mortal, Thirst, Void, Mercy and Fade to name but a few. There is not one episode in the entire season 5 that even matches Exile, Slumber or Memoria. The solid backbone of the show namely the Kent family is all but destroyed in Season 5 although it was being criminally used in Season 4 as well. I like good writing in my tv shows and not to be treated like an idiot therefore I did not like seasons 4 & 5. I am currently watching season 6 in the UK and although it is an improvement the magic of the first 3 seasons is long gone and the show is just going through the motions.

[Wooderson_Grey]

I certainly agree about the super horrendous shows that seasons 4 and 5 produced. Can you imagine trying to turn someone on to Smallville and showing them 'thirst' , 'spirit', 'spell' ,'facade' ,'krypto'.... wow i feel like the energizer bunny because i could keep going and going and going. But i try to remain optimistic for future episodes. Maybe year 7 will rock.
rock and roll

[Superboy10]

i want it to go on as long as possible, in all honesty, but its gettign a bit long winded to tell the truth, so i would say seven seasons of smallville, but then maybe do one or two seasons in metropolis with clark as superman and a reporter

[DivineDreamer]

I'd say 8 seasons, but what else can they add to the show once Kara is there? Maybe there will be some JL action or something. I don't know. I mean if I could choose I would want it to go on for as long as possible, but I know it won't. The show would just get boring once they's had about 8 or 9 seasons :/

[hemmy]

I think it will go 8 seasons, but should stop after 7

[SVfan4ever]

7 seasons or 8, only the CW knows. Only one thing I'm certain of, I'll be there watching till the end.

[Crusader]

They would probably need a good 2 seasons from here on to develop the character of superman, as now Clark hasn't even developed the ability to fly, and hasn't had training etc.

Season 7 will probably deal with bizzaro, the phantom zone and the the begining of Clark's training.
8 I think will involve the legendary suit, and finally Clark embracing his kryptonian destiny, therefore giving him the power to fly, and also Lex, in prison starts to hatch plans for world domination which would lead nicely into the plot of the main superman films.

[Vovkulak]

I really hope they end it after 7 seasons. I mean, I do love smallville, but they are running out of storylines. I would love to see the last episode of Clark finally becoming clear of his destiny and moving off to Metropolis.

[Prodigal Son]

I hope for 8. But I can't picture a season without Lex in it.

[LKent113]

I am hoping for eight seasons. I think it may be hard to finish out the series in season 7 alone, after reading/hearing some of the speculation as to the potential story arcs of this season and the character additions and guest appearances for this year. I know that the writers could probably pen out an excellent season 7 and an awesome series finale, but I think Smallville fans deserve a complete end to this saga in the superman mythology and I believe to fit it all in storywise, there would need to be alittle more time to do so. Atleast with the thought of season 8, they would have a good amount of time to finish out the story arcs and ultimately get Clark to the place he needs to be emotionally to finally embrace his destiny. Season 7 sounds like it will be great, and if it lives up to all the speculation and hype, I think a season 8 would bring everything to a close, giving all the Smallville fans a great end to a great series!

[Jedidan]

If you take movie lore into account when Clark entered the Fortress of solitude for his training in the first movie... it took 12 years to complete. They are gonna have to do a fast forward in time from one episode where he disappears and one where he reappears and goes to metropolis, or they are gonna really cut his training to a small amount of time. I prefer the fast forward since Tom Welling isnt getting any younger and its gonna be hard to fool people to thinking hes in his early 20s much longer.

[LKent113]

Originally posted by Jedidan
If you take movie lore into account when Clark entered the Fortress of solitude for his training in the first movie... it took 12 years to complete. They are gonna have to do a fast forward in time from one episode where he disappears and one where he reappears and goes to metropolis, or they are gonna really cut his training to a small amount of time. I prefer the fast forward since Tom Welling isnt getting any younger and its gonna be hard to fool people to thinking hes in his early 20s much longer.


They don't really need to show him actually training especially since in the lore it takes him many years. the smallville saga is his journey leading up to him becoming superman....it could just end with im walking in to the fortress or maybe not even go that far, who knows. We all know what happens after he enters the fortress, its just going to be a question of what the writers pen out and where they will draw that line for the end of his "tv" journey.

[neildingley]

Personallly I like to see Smallville end with Clark having to go do his trainning at the Frotress, but a Sequel Show to Replace it, with the same Main characters back Clark, Lois, Chloe ,Mrs Kent & Lex, (though Lana should probaly not be in it) to start with Clark kents return to Metroplois and the birth of Superman!

[DivineDreamer]

If there is going to be Clana, then I say 7 seasons. If there's not going to be Clana, I say 8. I mean, what else are they going to talk about in season 8?

[rollergirl42]

Hello how about Cark finally getting over Lana and fulfilling is destiny already. I hope this season has more action and less soap opera drama.

[smallvilleismycocaine]

season 6 was a powerhouse. I got a million times more hooked (which is why I joined these forums :P)

If they can keep the show going that well I hope it never ends :D

[sup3rp3t3]

I picked 8 seasons. Really its how the show develops. Not by our standards but by critics and the channel host aka the CW.

We may love Smallville but sometimes other shows may take over another shows spot especially if its been on the air alot.

Also its how the season begins and ends. If it ends in a way another season has to come then Whoopi! another season of Smallville. If they really give alot on how Smallville will end Season 7 could be the last.

Hey, if there is a season 8, would about season 9 or 10, or 11, 12, 13 ok i'll stop now.

[Queenrocks77]

Originally posted by smallvilleismycocaine
season 6 was a powerhouse. I got a million times more hooked (which is why I joined these forums :P)

If they can keep the show going that well I hope it never ends :D
I agree!! Six was a great season!! As good as four IMO! I hope it goes on forever.... It would be cool to see a Smallville spin off with Tom Welling!!! I'd watch that. They could call it Metropolis!! :D

[smallvilleismycocaine]

ah thats a very cool idea. they could even bring all the characters back later for "metropolis" and just continue it on like its own superman show.

btw, queen DOES rock.. im wearing a queen shirt right now actually lolz

[operadiva]

We might get an 8th...But..you never know with TV ratings...It could get canceled before that too..But i am hoping that it does not...

[Jedidan]

Season 6 is great atm. I am almost done with the dvd collection. Just wish where I lived got the CW channel, so now I have to wait until next year to see it. I still think Season 3 was the best by far. It showed us the dark side of CK for the first time and his coping with what he did while in Metropolis.

[HoOkEdOnSmAlLvIlLe]

I agree with Micheal Moon that Clark HAS grown as a character....

but as far as S7/S8 goes I think that if Al and Miles are going to end the series with S7, they will have to PACK a ton of info into the season! I mean come on....think about it....it will have to be Clark's training, plus Jimmy/Clark getting closer (best friend wise!), Lex getting more evil (YES!), Lana getting further apart and Lois getting closer to Clark, and the rumor about the suit at the end (?)....Somehow I think that if they pack all of that into S7, we will either have an awesome season to look forward to or a sucky one....could go either way...thats just my opinion!

[operadiva]

Clark has not grown..he has regressed...He is not able to look at Lana and realize that the needs to move on...and follow his destiny....And if he could not come to that conclusion on his own... while she is a married woman..how can we say he has grown...Clark is lacking a backbone...The writers have castrated him with this foolish obsession for the sad Character Lana Lang...
Making this future Superman look like an ass..Since day one...

[xrayvision]

I want an 8th season that is free of Kara & all other DC characters (JLA and everyone else) that don't belong. I want it to be Clark, Lois, Perry White, Jor-El, Pete, and hopefully Martha. I would love it if they could sway MR with some money to stay in as Lex for 1 more year and if Lana & Chloe returned too, but I think one final season that brings Clark to the world of journalism and gets his training done with no other ploys/gimmicks/distractions is very much needed.

[HoOkEdOnSmAlLvIlLe]

Geez operadiva.....a little harsh! At least your not bitter!! jk!

[operadiva]

Oh.. no quite on the contrary...I think i have see enough of Clark bouncing balls in the barn..Moping around for that foolish Lana Lang ..and i don't think i am alone in my thoughts...Not bitter just sad that the writers and producers have made CLark an idiot..Not capable of even saving himself..Oh what a sad day this is..But i can always watch the series and have a great ole good laugh at his expense...and that dumb ass Lana...i can't wait to see the foolishness of the 2 hit the fan...

[Kal26]

After watching season six, I think everything is moving along quite nicely, and can definitely see a season eight in the forecast. I think I only recall seeing clark bouncing the ball in one episode. I have to watch them again to be sure, but that doesn't seem like a lot of brooding to me. After hearing people on this site complaining about season six, I was prepared for the worst, but what I got was a very pleasant surprise.

Clark was very active in finding the phantoms, and almost every episode discussed them in one way or another. I also saw clark standing up for what he believed in, seeking out bad guys, and being about as pro active as a guy running an entire farm by himself could be. I'm lost on what everyone's problems are with this season.

And lana. I hate lana, but this has to be my favorite season for her. I've said some things about KK's acting in the past, and I take it all back. She did a hell of a job becoming lex. I can't wait to see what happens in season seven. If it's as good as six, an eighth is in the bag!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by operadiva
Oh.. no quite on the contrary...I think i have see enough of Clark bouncing balls in the barn..Moping around for that foolish Lana Lang ..and i don't think i am alone in my thoughts...Not bitter just sad that the writers and producers have made CLark an idiot..Not capable of even saving himself..Oh what a sad day this is..But i can always watch the series and have a great ole good laugh at his expense...and that dumb ass Lana...i can't wait to see the foolishness of the 2 hit the fan...

You're right, but Lana is only one out of 3 problems. The other 2 are building up Chloe beyond what she was originally meant for at the expense of Clark (which started in Arrival once she knew the full secret) and having all these DC heroes that berate Clark and take so much of what should be his screen time. So I blame Lana for the pining, Chloe for the lazyness (since they didn't want 2 characters doing investigating anymore as there were in earlier seasons) and guys like Ollie, AC, etc for being built up to be heroic in far less time than Clark who started his journey far earlier than any of them.

[Cellist]

I'm pretty sure we're going to get an 8th season. I dunno, I just have a feeling.

[Mr.White]

They could have a 8th season but with another new character coming in and stealing Clark's thunder in Kara, I don't know. I mean to the casual fans out there, that see Smallville every now and then, if they see Kara is able to fly but the main character, after six seasons no less, has yet to do so, then what is the point of the series? Clark would, again, have the spotlight taken away from him by another new character. The show's producers and their focus groups may be running out of ideas. If they can't create anything new that makes us, the viewers, excited about the main character ,considering who he shall be in the future, then it is time to shut this thing down. Better to end a show at the right time than have it hang around for too long.

[HoOkEdOnSmAlLvIlLe]

Yeah...I wish that the series would go to an eighth season...but I completely agree with Mr. White...

[hiler1988]

By the sounds of all the internet speculation it's looking that Smallville will go for eight seasons...Which is great!! But I do wonder, without Lex...If the show can still remain a success?? Surely there has to be that one bad guy who continues to fuel the hero...and without Lex, who will continue to do so?? John Glover might be their only hope, although E! Online stated that he was thinking of making some serious career changes over the next year which probably means Smallville will no longer be in his plans post season seven??

[HoOkEdOnSmAlLvIlLe]

I know...some of the characters would stay ont he show and some of them wouldnt....which kindof sucks! You cant have SV with half of the cast! (Obviously) So I think that if all of the characters stay then they could do a season 8....but if not then hello last season :(...

[CrimsonFacade]

I'm hoping for 8, but after watching the premier I could see how this could be the last :(

[Kal26]

If the rest of the season goes as well as the premier, I think they will go for eight.

[aXem]

I think it should go 7.

Then I think they should start a new series.

[TheLastKryptonian]

Why not have 8 seasons and have a new series (Supergirl) as well? I don't know why everybody wouldnt want an eight season. With one more season means final closure on the series because if 7 was the last a lot of people would probably complain about how the final episodes seemed rushed. If AM or KK don't end up signing for season 8, I could see why their fans and supporters of Chlark and Clana wouldnt want to watch a season without them but this is SUPPOSE to be a show about Clark becoming Superman and if he starts to like Lois in season 8, I'm fine with that since every version (comics, movies, TV series and cartoons) shows that they eventually end up together. Plus the CW's new shows unfortunately don't seem to be doing as well and hoped so they'll probably sign on for an additional 8th season next year anyways and so far the ratings are higher than last year so that good news. And I haven't been a SV fan as long as most, but aren't true fans SUPPOSE to want a show they like to keep on going and have more episodes? Oh and if AlMiles were jerks for not letting TW sign on for the Justice League movie (if Tom actually wanted to or not without influence we may never know), it's because there is going to be a season 8. So stop complaining and be happy and keep watching. :) (And I'm aware that MR said he's leaving after season 7 whether there's another season or not.)

[KristinKrazy]

lol darn the subject line took the words right out of my mouth lol :)

[aXem]

I just don't know how longer they can stall some of these plots (Clark becoming superman, lex turning evil) any more than they already have, or I'd want there to be a season 8 also.


I love Smallville though, i'd be in favor of 10 more seasons (but then it wouldn't be in Smallville anymore, hopefully). I meant for there to be a new Superman show. I don't know what I'm going to do when this is over, I'm going to have to start reading the comics, I guess.

A Justice League (live) show would be great.

[Jedidan]

well maybe they will have ck fight Doomsday early. During the comic series of Supes death Lex and supergirl were with each other, of course it was the alien that could morph into supergirl not the real one, but that storyline is possible now with her introduction and the introduction of the JLA.

[biggkoz]

Everyone wants 8 seasons cuz they want the show to go on but do you want another season of lame storys like we have in season 7 already?

[superman07]

yea i would love a season eight but sadly i dont think it is gonna happen...it would be nice to see what they would do in a season eight though