Is Smallville ready for a gay character?

[Nospam]

What do you think?

[Mello Penelo]

Who's gay?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Who's gay?

No one. I am just asking if Smallville is ready to feature a gay character.

[thedean123]

I said no, even though I'm open to anything I just don't see what purpose it would serve in the show.

[cxianet]

Lana from Thirst. :lol:

But still, I don't know. I honestly think that Smallville should lay off the romance...o_O

[Joelito]

I don't care...if is guest start...I don't care...but if is regular....hope to persuit a very good porpuse....btw, wasn't Lana harassed by another woman? In early seasons?

[Khyla]

Lol
Ok , i could see somthin like this going down:

Chimmy breaks up and Chloe has been hanging out a lot with a new girl at the DP. Clark gets a little jealous that Chloe's not spending as much time with him and then when he finds out that this woman is gay, he gets real jealous and curious to the point that he finally just has to confront Chloe about it. Of course Chloe's totally innocent, but it flatters her that Clark is "concerned" about her sex life, and maybe one thing will lead to another.... :D

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Joelito
I don't care...if is guest start...I don't care...but if is regular....hope to persuit a very good porpuse....btw, wasn't Lana harassed by another woman? In early seasons?

Yep. Tina Greer stalked Lana in the season one episode, X-ray.


Originally posted by Khyla
Lol
Ok , i could see somthin like this going down:

Is that a Freudian slip...? :p

[Khyla]

Originally posted by Nospam

Is that a Freudian slip...? :p :lol:

;)

:)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Wait a second -- you're saying that Clark, Lex and Jimmy are straight?
:lol:

[gripton]

This is by far the dumbest topic i've ever seen on here unless it's referring to a chick.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Why??? Care to elaborate?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by gripton
This is by far the dumbest topic i've ever seen on here unless it's referring to a chick.

That's not very fair. What is wrong with a gay male character? Clark could really use his help in revamping his wardrobe. :)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

As (straight) Chloe said, a few seasons back: burn that shirt.
:lol:

[scttlbgh]

If TPTB did it now, it would just be a cheap stunt.

[gripton]

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[InLove_with_Chloe]

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[Nospam]

Originally posted by gripton
Well I don't know about everyone else but I sure don't want to see clark walking around with frills and women's jeans. <snip>

May I suggest that you edit your post? It is specifically against board rules to make homophobic, racist or sexist remarks. I understand that this is the way you feel, but you could certainly couch your feelings in more diplomatic language without insulting those of such persuasion outright.


By the way no offense to original poster, just didn't like the topic.

None taken, but simply out of respect would you please tone down your remarks? It wasn't my intention to create controversy and throw the gay lifestyle into the faces of those that disapprove nor mock gays or lesbians at their expense. :(

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Nospam
What do you think?

I think if a gay character were introduced early on (say Season 1 and 2) and handled well then it would've been great. Now that we're nearing the end I think a gay character is just going to seem too much like a gimmick. And when we already have people calling the introduction of major DC characters a "gimmick" then there's no way they could overcome that word in relation to a gay character.

Personally I think it would've been interesting to see either Chloe or Pete having "come out" in an earlier season, but ah well.

[scttlbgh]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I think if a gay character were introduced early on (say Season 1 and 2) and handled well then it would've been great. Now that we're nearing the end I think a gay character is just going to seem too much like a gimmick. And when we already have people calling the introduction of major DC characters a "gimmick" then there's no way they could overcome that word in relation to a gay character.

Personally I think it would've been interesting to see either Chloe or Pete having "come out" in an earlier season, but ah well.

I agree, that's why I said if it's done now it's just a cheap stunt.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by gripton
This is by far the dumbest topic i've ever seen on here unless it's referring to a chick.

Lame. Every time someone says something to do with the human body or sexuality it is a "dumb" topic or "just guys being stupid." Lame isn't the right word, but it's the first one that comes to mind.

Yet we have all of these topics calling Clark/Tom "fat" and saying that Chloe is "chubby". Not to mention all of the "Clark should only do this, be with this person, and have things exactly my way" rants. Those are very very dumb topics. Come down off the high horse, please. Nospam presented a relevant topic for discussion with his usual quirky poll.


Originally posted by scttlbgh
I agree, that's why I said if it's done now it's just a cheap stunt.

I still think it could be done well. It is the fact that it will be "seen" as a stunt that limits them from the ability to even attempt doing it well. If more fans like yourself were open to seeing an attempt at a real gay character without calling it a stunt then they might have a chance of doing something very interesting.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I think if a gay character were introduced early on (say Season 1 and 2) and handled well then it would've been great. Now that we're nearing the end I think a gay character is just going to seem too much like a gimmick. And when we already have people calling the introduction of major DC characters a "gimmick" then there's no way they could overcome that word in relation to a gay character.

Personally I think it would've been interesting to see either Chloe or Pete having "come out" in an earlier season, but ah well.

Some great points there.

I know we many times savage this show with our criticism, and it is often warranted, but let's not forget that this show has done a good job of entertaining us week after week, with some notable exceptions, over the course of six seasons. After six seasons, however, TPTB are definitely in a damned if the do and damned if they don't scenario. If they introduce new characters or situations to freshen the show they run the risk of the effort being perceived as nothing more than a gimmick, yet if they don't change things up once in a while the audience may feel that the show has run out of gas. It's a fine line they have to manage.

[gripton]

Yeah I may have gone overboard with my first post but I toned it donw as much as I thought necessary, oh well it'll probably just get deleted anyway. But I agree about not starting controversey here. As for midgard I think a gay character on a show like smallville is just a tad different than someone's looks changing or someone going out with someone new. I would just like to know for what possible reason this would be needed. I honestly can't think of anything other than just to have it there. Does every show need to have a gay character now or something. There are many many things that I think could be added to the show before that was. Especially since it's such a controversial topic I think something like that would just cause a big loss in ratings. It's stepping just a little out of the realm of smallville if you ask me.

[music_man86]

i think if the character was a genuinely gay character that was having trouble coming out of the closet, it might be interesting...but actually that seems more fit for a show like one tree hill or some other drama, but not exactly smallville-ish if you ask me.

hey! my 100th post-im a forum regular yipee!!!:D :D :D

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by gripton
This is by far the dumbest topic i've ever seen on here unless it's referring to a chick. hey, no fair...you're still settling in...a lot of threads qualify as the dumbest you've seen when you haven't seen many...:lol:

I did my usual vote for what i thought was funny. more seriously, though, i'm a little undecided. i understand that my way of thinking isn't the only one so i would still watch the show probably, but I have two problems with it, even after putting my thoughts on homosexuality aside.

1.) i don't trust TPTB to do it right. Every time they try to address social issues (subterranean and immigration, anyone :\ ) or soap opera stuff (any, and i mean ANY of the triangles) they muck it up like amatuers, IMO.

2.) i don't think it has any relevance to the Smallville storyline...I mean...and i'm not sure if the way i explain it will make any sense the way it does in my head...but, aren't there characters in the show whose sexuality is never addressed? the reason i say it would be a gimmick is because it wouldn't impact anything, so why say one way or another.

Since we already know the main characters aren't gay, and the story is so far into their lives, i think the show needs to clean up a few old plotlines before introducing a main character with additional complex plotlines...

And smallville has had a couple gay references, like the football player in 'truth' who said he wanted to take the quarterback to the prom or something...

[samanta]

It would like to see it.
It would probably have to be some new character but I wouldn't mind to see Climmy or Chlana.
But I think Smallville would be better without romance.

[thedean123]

Didn't Lois havfe a little moment with the girl from WWE in 'Combat'? LOL talk about cheap gimmick that I totally approve of haha.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I'm kinda torn here. I'm a slasher so the idea of adding a gay character revs me up.
On the other hand it would have to be done right. I think they did it well with Tina Greer (if you were a shapeshifter you'd probably be less worried about gender too).

It would be too easy to fall into the 'gimmick' thing (a la Pete Ross being the 'token black friend'; we don't want Clark to have his 'token gay friend').

I do think it would be a natural extension of Clark's 'outsider' status for him to identify with someone who is gay (and frankly am a bit surprised that we've never addressed that in the comics, it seems so obvious).

[Timester]

I still have my doubts about Aquaman...

[petewillreturn]

What about Maggie Sawyer or Toby Raines.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Timester
I still have my doubts about Aquaman...

:eek:

Yeah, I could see it. He did seem to get a little too friendly with one of the Kent's horses in Justice. Watch the final scene in the Barn of Justice closely to see what I mean.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by petewillreturn
What about Maggie Sawyer or Toby Raines.
I forgot about Maggie.

Who is Toby Raines? I don't recognize the name.

[petewillreturn]

Originally posted by Welling_is_pretty
I forgot about Maggie.

Who is Toby Raines? I don't recognize the name.


Maggie's partner.

[music_man86]

Originally posted by Welling_is_pretty

It would be too easy to fall into the 'gimmick' thing (a la Pete Ross being the 'token black friend'; we don't want Clark to have his 'token gay friend').

i never considered Pete Ross to be considered Clark's 'token black friend', i just thought of him as Clark's loyal best friend and never paid any attention to the fact that he's black, that doesn't identify who he is... Any person who isn't a straight, white person should never be referred to that way, and just because a show has a black or gay person doesn't mean they are there just to dress the set...just my opinion.

[Rosey]

I voted for "Let's just try and see Clark through to accepting his destiny first, OK?", but you forgot the most obvious choice - lets have some Chlark first.

First things first, you know. ;)

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Rosey
I voted for "Let's just try and see Clark through to accepting his destiny first, OK?", but you forgot the most obvious choice - lets have some Chlark first.

First things first, you know. ;)

Knowing Clark he'll confuse "dentistry" for destiny and settle down with Chloe as Smallville's fastest dentist. :)

[Mello Penelo]

So the show needs to have a gay character on the show, simply for the sake of having a gay character on the show? It's not like TPTB deem guest stars worthy of having backstories, so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Nospam
:eek:

Yeah, I could see it. He did seem to get a little too friendly with one of the Kent's horses in Justice. Watch the final scene in the Barn of Justice closely to see what I mean.

Actually I was talking about the scene in Justice with Cyborg. :lol:

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Timester
Actually I was talking about the scene in Justice with Cyborg. :lol:

Oh, that scene too, then. :lol:

[MetroGirl06]

CLARK, LEX AND JIMMY AREN'T GAY!? *Frantically rewatches all previous seasons*

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Wasn't Tina Grier technically gay?

[upsidedown]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Wasn't Tina Grier technically gay?

yes, and a crazy physco too!

[ClarkLionelfan]

Originally posted by music_man86
i never considered Pete Ross to be considered Clark's 'token black friend', i just thought of him as Clark's loyal best friend and never paid any attention to the fact that he's black, that doesn't identify who he is... Any person who isn't a straight, white person should never be referred to that way, and just because a show has a black or gay person doesn't mean they are there just to dress the set...just my opinion.

Great post and I agree. Pete was just Pete. Clark's best friend. The fact that Pete was black never played into anything. He was just Pete.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by ClarkLionelfan
Great post and I agree. Pete was just Pete. Clark's best friend. The fact that Pete was black never played into anything. He was just Pete.

Pete was black? I am color blind. I see no color. To me, there is no rainbow of color only a curved band of mist...

[Superman of Krypton]

They already played up the gay thing with Clark and Lex in the early seasons (especially one).

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

Tina Greer and Scabby Abby, and Aquaman



I don't think that that character's sexual preferences would be of ANY importance at all to the show... so why should the writers waste their time making one? that's all I'm sayin.

[Spirit Detective]

I think TPTB already did it in Combat

Wasn't Athena a little too friendly with Lois?

AND

I think in Truth, Chloe forced a confession of that jock.

[cloisinmyheart]

noo i dont think a gay character is necessary or desired at all right now

the show already has enough problems with straying too far fromm the oRIGINAL mythical superman. adding a gay character would be completely anachronistic
and confusing..

dont get me wrong though, i support gay marriage and all

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
noo i dont think a gay character is necessary or desired at all right now

the show already has enough problems with straying too far fromm the oRIGINAL mythical superman. adding a gay character would be completely anachronistic
and confusing..

dont get me wrong though, i support gay marriage and all

This is *not* the ORIGINAL mythical superman. It cannot stay because it was never there to begin with.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I think a gay superman would be very progressive.
After all, it's the 21st century....

[Ketchup]

Umm may I ask why? I never understood why some people think that every show needs a gay character at one point or another. If it makes sense for the plot (like in Buffy) then sure, no problem. So long as a gay character isn't put in for the sole purpose of being a gay character on the show.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Ketchup
Umm may I ask why? I never understood why some people think that every show needs a gay character at one point or another. If it makes sense for the plot (like in Buffy) then sure, no problem. So long as a gay character isn't put in for the sole purpose of being a gay character on the show.

I think it helps represent a slightly more realistic world-view just like having a black character does. Even a town the size of Smallville is going to have a small gay population. While they might not be a member of Clark's "circle" it would be interesting to see one that was. It'd be a nice way to show Supeman being tolerant of all non-criminal, non-evil beings, rather than just his straight white friends.

It's not necessary at all, but it would still be nice.

[Saber]

I would love to see a gay character for a couple of episodes. As long as it was done tastefully without stereotypical or clichéd undertones, it would be more diversified and out of the Smallville norm.

[biggkoz]

I thought shelby was the gay one?

[drwigginsjr]

i think it is important, as a gay man, that they show clark is accepting and non-judging of all parts of society, (and as long as it was a positive image of a gay person) just as they showed that he was accepting of Javier, in Subterranean last season.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by music_man86
i never considered Pete Ross to be considered Clark's 'token black friend', i just thought of him as Clark's loyal best friend and never paid any attention to the fact that he's black, that doesn't identify who he is... Any person who isn't a straight, white person should never be referred to that way, and just because a show has a black or gay person doesn't mean they are there just to dress the set...just my opinion.
Ok, let me just say that I never considered him the 'token black guy' either. It was stated a couple of times in the media that way (along with Dule whateverhisnamewas on The West Wing and a few other characters. I remember the furor over how these 'toekn black guys' were being brought onto shows in order to show more diversity or something like that).


Oh and thanks for explaining Toby for me.

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

^Whats a Token Black guy?

Who cares who's on the show, maybe they should have latino guys on the show or Europeans..MmmmM YuM.




No gay people, well I don't no, hope his not hot because I'll be very jealous that his gay..

Anyway they ready had gay people on SV
Superman as a gay man, NO WAY! My worst nightmare.

[MidgardDragon]

Pfft, everyone knows Supes experimented as a college-aged kid. How else would him come up with red and blue tights? ;)

(I'm kidding, of course.)

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Pfft, everyone knows Supes experimented as a college-aged kid. How else would him come up with red and blue tights? ;)

(I'm kidding, of course.)

I would have believed you if you said assless leather chaps rather than tights. :lol:

[DanteSparda08]

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