How will Clark defeat Bizzarro???

[pharaoh8]

ewwwwwwww!!!!!

i never heard of the red K weakening him. i might going to look it up.

[adromidon]

LOL

[Zaine07]

it does blue k does.

[pharaoh8]

Abilities
Originally, this Bizarro's abilities were the same as Superman's, but in homage to his Pre-Crisis counterpart, this Bizarro also developed reversed powers as well as adding things like "x-ray hearing" and "spotlight vision." Instead of possessing heat vision and freeze breath like Superman, he has freeze vision and flame breath, the latter recently shown in Batman/Superman #22 (Loeb, McCGuinness, Vines) He has also been discovered to be physically more powerful than Superman, but the nature of his fractured mind leaves him unable to access that potential.
Post-Crisis Bizarro has encountered Blue Kryptonite on two occasions. The first was pre-Infinite Crisis Batzarro presented him with a ring set with a stone of it (Batman/Superman #25). The ring caused Bizarro to speak normally and act rationally, as well as granting him a 12th level intellect. The effect seems to be the opposite of the expected outcome. Instead of killing this Bizarro, it has the imperfect effect of making him intelligent. Still, he feared the ring. The ring appeared to have no effect on Batzarro since he is a Batman clone. Post-Infinite Crisis Luthor created a version of Blue Kryptonite that affects Bizarro just like Green Kryptonite affects Superman (Action Comics Annual #10).

i got this from wikipedia

[pharaoh8]

read the part about when bizarro puts on a blueK ring. it makes him normal and has a higher intellect.

[adromidon]

how the hell does X-Ray Hearing work

[pharaoh8]

i have no idea.

i googled bizarro superman and a hole bunch of stuff came out.

did you know that every character has a bizarro to it.

[adromidon]

yes

[pharaoh8]

that is just crazy. how in the hell did they come up with that.

[xrayvision]

I think if they're gonna stick with this opposite of Clark theme (if that is what the "mirror" that Lionel wrote will be revealed to mean), then they should have blue-k, or whatever will be revealed to be Smallville Bizarro's weakness, make Clark stronger since his weakness made Bizarro stronger. And if blue-k does show up, I seriously hope they don't introduce it in the horrible way they did black-k. Instead, Jor-El should teach Clark how to "manufacture" it.

Also, I seriously hope they give Bizarro flame/heat breath and freeze vision. I think I remember reading the issue where he was shown having those 2 abilities at the local Borders bookstore where I've read a lot of the stories of Jason Todd's return. It would be a great homage if he has those abilities in the show.

If I were TPTB, I would also make Clark gain the freezing part of superbreath (freezing superbreath) by touching blue-k and have him use that ability to subsequently repair the dam.

[pharaoh8]

that is true. he has not done the super breath thing yeat right? oh, wait he has. he used it once during sneeze right?!? yeah he did.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by pharaoh8
that is true. he has not done the super breath thing yeat right? oh, wait he has. he used it once during sneeze right?!? yeah he did.

He used what I call superbreath-1 (you could call it gale force breath) in Sneeze & Freak. He hasn't used superbreath-2 (freezing superbreath) yet.

[pharaoh8]

yeah, i thought about that after i posted. that is true.

[Zaine07]

yeah... hopefully he will use them or develop them in season 7.

[pharaoh8]

he'll need to now with bizarro.

[xrayvision]

^^And hopefully he will need to know against his Kal-El side. :)

[Spirit Detective]

I like the theory with the Blue K (Maybe that will enable him to fly?)

I keep picturing Martian Manhunter arriving to Clark's aid and telling him that alone he cannot defeat Bizarro. MM forms black K and Clark chooses to split in two. The two Clarks team up to defeat Bizarro. Then Kal-El tests Clark in a battle to see if he is ready for Jor-El's training.

[adromidon]

Can he switch between Freezing Superbreath and just Superbreath

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Spirit Detective
I like the theory with the Blue K (Maybe that will enable him to fly?)

I keep picturing Martian Manhunter arriving to Clark's aid and telling him that alone he cannot defeat Bizarro. MM forms black K and Clark chooses to split in two. The two Clarks team up to defeat Bizarro. Then Kal-El tests Clark in a battle to see if he is ready for Jor-El's training.

Now you're talking. :cool:

It would be great having a Clark vs. Kal-El war of multiple battles start out after Bizarro is defeated. I painted 4 scenarios that could set off a war between his 2 sides as his training:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3092656#post3092656

If you read my fanfic, you probably remember that this is what happened when Lionel with the Eradicator along with Hank Henshaw froze Clark in blue-k and left him on the Moon.

[adromidon]

Yeah except Clark could fly now if he wanted he just has never tried it. He would not need Krptoninte to aide in this

And about splitting in two the problem with that is that the second version is almost always evil

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by adromidon
Can he switch between Freezing Superbreath and just Superbreath

Yup. He has perfect control of all his abilities.


Originally posted by adromidon
And about splitting in two the problem with that is that the second version is almost always evil

Not really. The Kal-El we saw in Crusade is not evil, but instead a product of Jor-El's training/brainwashing. He would sacrifice a human to save the race as he did by attacking the plane so he could secure the stone & save the world. By this reason alone, the perfect way to do the training would be for Clark to defeat this all-powerful side of his who is not the hero Clark is, and who would unlike Clark justify the means to an end.

By having Jor-El train him unlike what he did to him in S3/S4 (by just training him rather than not only training him, but also brainwashing him as he did between S3/S4) it would be very inconsistent to the way Jor-El has been portrayed. Instead, if Clark makes a deal with him saying that if he beats his Kal-El side, then his destiny is whatever he makes of it with Jor-El agreeing to this stipulation, it would be perfect and show that Superman is Clark's own will. Jor-El since we've last seen him in Vessel/Zod still condoned the killing of Lex Luthor to save the world. They better not do a 180 now.

[Zaine07]

I think Kal-el was just bored and he wanted to have a little fun.

[adromidon]

lol that reminds me

In the episode where he breaks into the plane to get the crystal he just holds his hand out and it comes to him. Is that something specific to Kryptonian artifacts or can it be applied to other things. if it can then Clark has Telekenisis

[Zaine07]

yeah that makes sense. Clark doesnt have telekensis though Kal-El does lol

[adromidon]

Yes but all the powers Kal-El has or had Clark is capable of using once he grasps how

[Zaine07]

yeah that is true. So can clark really fly or what???

[adromidon]

Yes he can but he lacks the knowledge on how to utilize that skill. He will ethier have to be told by the FOS how to do it or he will just Learn it as he did with his other abilities

[Lavenderrose73]

Batman has a a "bizarre" version too? Who's next, Wonderzarra? (Wonder Woman?)

Edit: I didn't see the last 2 pages until just now. I only had 1 post notification. It must do that only once a day or whenever I've returned for the last posting, I don't know.

And it would be cool to have the Blue K kick up Clark's abilities a notch, like developing the freeze breath only then. I doubt Clark was born with all his abilities; he must have developed them. If he'd always had them, he would have shot fire by looking at Lana in Episode 1, wouldn't he have? Not only that, but I remember in one episode (although I don't remember which one) when Clark said he hardly felt the flames the last time he got burned. I really think that stuff just comes with time. Even the sneezing, it didn't happen right away, I think it developed as he got older.

[adromidon]

I ment that he would be capable of them when he matured and he is old enough to fly plus in the Season 2 premier he says that when he tried to save Lana he felt as though he willed himself into the truck

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by adromidon
lol that reminds me

In the episode where he breaks into the plane to get the crystal he just holds his hand out and it comes to him. Is that something specific to Kryptonian artifacts or can it be applied to other things. if it can then Clark has Telekenisis

There is still a lack of concrete evidence of Kryptonians having telekinesis in the Smallville mythos. So far the best explanation is that Kryptonian objects react to Kryptonian biology (or magic in the case of Isobel----Commencement). Examples of Kryptonian objects reacting to biology:

-The fire stone jumping to Clark's hand when he had no powers (Spell)

-The octagonal key jumping to Aethyr's hand

-In Legacy & in Exile, the octogonal key levitated by itself without any Kryptonian influence other than the technology in the cave proving they moved without tk

-The starblade from Talisman (also Kryptonian) definitely did react to the biology of those who touched it (even humans like Sageeth aka Lex).

Other examples of Kryptonian items reacting to biology that don't necessarily involve levitation of these items:

-In Rosetta, Clark putting the key in the wall gave him the power to read the language. When Dr. Walden did it, it blasted him with an energy wave that put him into a coma, and gave him that power in his hands we saw in Calling.

-The PZ portal bracelet reacting to Zod and opening. I doubt this was telekinesis, because if it was, why wouldn't Zod use it? Or maybe phantoms do have telekinesis, and since Zod is one, he used it. But this still doesn't make sense. If he had tk, he would have used it on Clark in Zod. If Nam-Ek & Aethyr had it, they would have used it too.

Until there is concrete evidence of Clark or any alive Kryptonian using telekinesis to move something (especially something non-Kryptonian), I personally will hold off on admitting that they have it. One reason I don't think Clark will be shown to have this ability is that it would make things too easy.

[adromidon]

Which makes me believe that maybe it is some limited form of TK related to Kryptonian artifacts only.

It may be the artifact itself but it appears that he can exert some kind of TK toward things that were made on Krypton

[towelcape]

I am not sure that if this has been proposed, but why could not Chloe defeat Bizarro? Her tear drops on Bizarro - "healing" him.

[adromidon]

it was more just an idea that her tears would have the reverse effect on bizzaro weakening him instead of healinghim

[Lavenderrose73]

It would be cool, though. And I like the TK thing with Kryptonian artifacts. And yeah, Adromidon, I forgot about that. Maybe he was just old enough, or maybe the twister kinda got him a head start. Kinda like when someone sees a loved one in touble, fears and doubts are set aside, and someone will go to any length they can to help that person.

[adromidon]

Yeah I think clark is mature enough to fly he just lacks the knowledge to do so

[Lavenderrose73]

Oh, there you go. Let's not leave out the knowledge factor now. ;)

[Brizzle]

Clark was getting his ass beat by bizzarro. I thought the fight scene was the best scene. Maybe clark will get infected with red k again and then it will be on

[adromidon]

lol well i mean he had to learn how to control his xray vision and heat vision

so it is only fair to say he needs to learn how to controll his flight

[Lavenderrose73]

Red K! Red K! Red K! I would have a ball seeing that!

[adromidon]

lol I would just like to have xray vision that is a cool ability

[Brizzle]

I like clark when he is on red k he lets his emotions out better and doesn't lie

[adromidon]

nope he is closer to Superman other then the fact that he is a jerk to

[Lavenderrose73]

Closer to Superman? How so?

[Brizzle]

Honestly when clark is a jerk and Lana is evil that is some of Tom's and Kristin's best acting.

Yeah Superman i dn't get it either?

[Digitalsteel]

I dont think he will actually defeat him. I would say Phantom Zone BUT, he took some of Clarks DNA so he would be able to escape, since he would have blood from the house of EL in his veins. I think something will happen and he will decide to leave earth because he hates it there so much and search forsomething "a little more bizarre"


Originally posted by Lavenderrose73
Red K! Red K! Red K! I would have a ball seeing that!

Anyone else curious where they always get the damn Red K?

Oooohhhh Also, I think it would be cool to see Kal El fight Bizarro instead of Clark. No doubt in my mind, he would beat the daylights out of him

[Lavenderrose73]

Oh, I wouldn't mind seeing that either. ;) Go Kal-El! Kal-El!

[adromidon]

i ment he was close to the superman persona because Superman is more open about his feelings and never lies

[Lavenderrose73]

Ok, I'll buy that.

[adromidon]

Like I said he was like an evil superman.

Any way Clark will defeat Bizzaro through some use of Flight if the law suit does not allow him to fly then through some other meands

[Digitalsteel]

Originally posted by adromidon
Like I said he was like an evil superman.

Any way Clark will defeat Bizzaro through some use of Flight if the law suit does not allow him to fly then through some other meands

It seriously would be awesome if he realized that he wasnt strong enough or "cold" enough to defeat Bizarro and says "But I know someone who is"....Cut to him putting on some Red K, then Kal saying some smart ass comment about whats goin on and beating the crap out of Bizarro. THAT way they can use flight without worry about the Lawsuit

[Lavenderrose73]

Dang, I just hate to wait so doggone long to find the heck out!

P.S. By the way, I mised the part where a lawsuit came in. Could someone tip me on that please?

[adromidon]

Originally posted by Digitalsteel
It seriously would be awesome if he realized that he wasnt strong enough or "cold" enough to defeat Bizarro and says "But I know someone who is"....Cut to him putting on some Red K, then Kal saying some smart ass comment about whats goin on and beating the crap out of Bizarro. THAT way they can use flight without worry about the Lawsuit

Yeah that could happen i bet he would be able to do that no problem then

And the lawsuit was from the creators of superboy they told TPTB with SV that Clark Kent could never fly or wear tights however TPTB found a way around it by giving clark other "identities" that are technicaly not Clark Kent I.E Kal-El

[Digitalsteel]

ALSO, I think this battle should go atleast into the second episode of the season. Im tired of everything always being resolved by the end of the hour. They need to make it a two-part

[adromidon]

However Kal is evil so maybe he will side with Bizzaro

[Digitalsteel]

Originally posted by adromidon
However Kal is evil so maybe he will side with Bizzaro

Well Kal isnt exactly evil, he just does the things that Clark cant do for himself. He's basically everything Clark wishes he could be but cant. Or else he would have just taken over the world all those times instead of clubbing in Metropolis, etc... Ive never seen him do ANYthing that was evil

[adromidon]

Kal is a inobtition free verion of Clark so Kal-El is a different personality all together I mean that is when Jor-El posseses him right


Originally posted by Digitalsteel
Well Kal isnt exactly evil, he just does the things that Clark cant do for himself. He's basically everything Clark wishes he could be but cant. Or else he would have just taken over the world all those times instead of clubbing in Metropolis, etc... Ive never seen him do ANYthing that was evil
Also the first time he was infected with red k he almost killed that girl to get the computer disk so he could be rich

[Digitalsteel]

Thats true, I do remember that now. The girl from Clarks school that was in hiding right? I think thats the worst thing theyve shown, since then he hasnt seemed as bad. They explained that Red K just releases his inhibitions but the thing thats funny is, why settle for the small stufff when he could have just robbed fort knox or whatever? Thats what I never understood, he would do something for someone else for a paycheck, when he could just take whatever he wanted

[adromidon]

yeah that is true. I think it was the worse that time because he was infected the longest. THey said the longer he gets exposed to the red k the worse he gets and that episode he was eposed the longest

[Digitalsteel]

Originally posted by adromidon
yeah that is true. I think it was the worse that time because he was infected the longest. THey said the longer he gets exposed to the red k the worse he gets and that episode he was eposed the longest

Yeah I think that explains why he would take the ring off from time to time while he was living in Metropolis as Kal

[adromidon]

yeah he almost became a murderer the first time he was exposed. The thing i do not understand is when he is Kal he does not care about how he acts so why would he take the ring off at all and not just leave it on

[Digitalsteel]

Originally posted by adromidon
yeah he almost became a murderer the first time he was exposed. The thing i do not understand is when he is Kal he does not care about how he acts so why would he take the ring off at all and not just leave it on

That is something I was kind of wondering myself during the season 3 premiere. I guess that was just the Clark in him. But also if you remember the Season 4 premiere, he defeated evil Kal and kind of fused back and was completely good or whatever. SO, does that mean that we dont have to worry about an EVIL Kal no matter how long hes exposed. In "Crimson" this past season, he seemed pretty harmless for the most part, except when he ran Lex through that wall lol, but it was kind of understandable lol

[adromidon]

He defeated Kal-El the brainwashed version of himself not Kal the Red K version

Plus he was only eposed to red k in crimson for a few hours. the other times it was several days

Kal-El was the version that Jor-El brainwashed when he was sucked into the wall in S3 in S4 he split and killed the Kal-El half well not really killed but more like surpressed.

Now when clark gets eposed to Black K he splits into Clark Kent and Kal-El

Kal is still Clark just with no regreats or inobitions. He just calls himself Kal

[Digitalsteel]

True. True.

[adromidon]

It is confusing the way they set it up but still Clark Kent has never met the Kal version of his persona.

Anyway Xray had an intresting theory in his Fan fics that Clark will puposely split himself using Black K and him and Kal-El will then team up on Bizzaro

This would make for a great episode not to mention they writters would save money by have TW playing 3 parts

[Digitalsteel]

True. But does Clark even know about the black K? I cant remember what happened to it, there was just that one piece Lex made right? But Clark does know how to make it I believe.

That would be awesome though and He could finally see Kal, Im just thinking that Kal would wish to be the only only maybe

[adromidon]

Not Kal Kal-El lol but now that they are bringing in Supergirl he may not need to do that

[Lavenderrose73]

What?! Do I need to go to Kryptonsite or Rumorville and get updated?

[ofie]

Originally posted by adromidon
It is confusing the way they set it up but still Clark Kent has never met the Kal version of his persona.

Anyway Xray had an intresting theory in his Fan fics that Clark will puposely split himself using Black K and him and Kal-El will then team up on Bizzaro

This would make for a great episode not to mention they writters would save money by have TW playing 3 parts


that would be an awesome episode...I don't know how likely it is that they would do that though...It would be awesome to watch TW playing 3 at once

[adromidon]

lol

Yeah well Xray's therory did not involve bizzaro but it did have another super charged idiot so it was the same principle

[TKFlash]

I think MM is gonna come in and whoop butt.

[adromidon]

yeah he will

[pharaoh8]

kara, MMH and JLA will help clark

[adromidon]

lol hell yeah

[Lavenderrose73]

Ok, could you please refresh my memory on who JLA is? Thanks. :)

[Mello Penelo]

That's easy. Clark won't defeat him. Everyone else will.

[adromidon]

JLA is Justice League America it is what the Justice League eventualy became in the comics

[Lavenderrose73]

Oh, I was trying to recall a character with those initials. Thanks for clearing that up.

[kp1984]

If he's weak to red K, Kal going to have to use his head and stab him with it other then that he might go after lex and kick his a$$. So there is a blue k? What affect would blue K have on Clark?

[adromidon]

according to the comics Blue K does nothing to clark it would be as though he picked up an earth rock

[Lavenderrose73]

...if it doesn't up his strength in any way.

[adromidon]

I won't