Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of Phantom? [Archive]

coasterprincess

05-17-2007, 07:22 PM

okay....so i'm still stunned....and wishing the start of the next season began next week (now that we officially get season 7)

The Good
~special effects.....the phantom...from the old man to the little kid...it was creepy...and I loved it. Plus the final fight scene was just soo well done
~bizarro clark- first I was all "wtf??" when it looked exactly like him, but to end it with that show...total redemption
~Bad Lex- the whole work with getting the wraith at all costs was so well done. maybe now with lana out of the picture *crosses fingers* we won't get the whipped luthor on the side.

The Not-so-good
~Clana....dear god will you just stop beating the dead horse. I was literally shouting at my tv (to my sister's amusement) while he starts telling her his secret....plus the kiss (superman does not do adultery)....it was just frustrating
~MM....that was a glorified cameo at best. Had soo much more potential.

Some of the other stuff (Chloe's meteor ability....Lex getting arrested) are going to have to wait out for the final opinion until we get better context in the first season of the fall. Still overall I was quite pleased. 9/10

WhitneyFordmanFanatic

05-17-2007, 07:28 PM

I put an 8, and the only reason I didn't give it a perfect ten was because of the Clana stuff. Ugh. Lana gives Clark a kiss after he tells her he's an alien. There. That's the reaction she has to his secret. Now she should be dead... I'm just worried that she actually survived by jumping on that truck that was moving past Lionel instead of actually getting in the car. That was so predictable, that my dad even said that's what happened. So sad.

Anyway, everything else was perfect. I absolutely loved the scene between J'onn, Lionel, and Clark. Beautiful story telling. The only thing it was missing was J'onn explaination of Dr. Virgil Swann intercepting transmissions that were supposed to only be for J'onn's viewing pleasure. I knew that Lionel hadn't turned back into a bad guy. I had a feeling all along, even when Lionel threatened to kill Clark, I knew there was more to it, because after the changes Lionel had gone threw in Season 5, there was no way that he'd revert back. Lionel and J'onn make a really good team, just like Clark and Chloe do. Simply, hands down, best scene of the episode.

Martha's final scene on Smallville, unless she has guest appearances in Season 7, was a bit emotional, but I think there should've been more to it then that. I liked that she was looking at a picture of Jonathan and Clark when he was a kid, but it just wasn't a long enough scene. I really think that the episode should've been 90 minutes long like Commencement was back in Season 4. There was more that could've been done, and it would've allowed time to give her a better send off.

I guess I'm alright with Chloe's meteor ability, but it's kinda weak considering the character we're talking about. I knew the healing tears was going to be her ability about a week ago. Sometimes Wikipedia does actually give accurate information. I think my earlier idea of her having Lazarus Effect abilities would've been cooler, but that's just me.

I loved the line where Chloe mentions to Clark about Lionel being his new father, or something to that nature as it was rather funny, but a good plot element to develop into for next season. Lex wants Lionel out of his life, Lionel is getting closer to Clark, and he even called Clark son once again in a rather emotional scene at the mansion. I think Lionel may in fact become a new father figure for Clark after all, and it could be a plot element that causes Lex to fall further into his hatred for Clark, realizing that he's lost his father's love to the man who also had his wife's heart.

I was sad that Bizzaro didn't talk like an idiot, but when I think back to say, the animated series, Bizzaro started off talking and looking exactly like Clark does and then started to deteriorate over time. Perhaps the writers are going with the animated series take here, unless this was also part of the comics. I'm not sure, but they sorta adapted the animated series origins of Brainiac into Smallville's version, so I wouldn't be surprised. And besides, the end of the episode showed Bizzaro's face turn into the comic look of the character, so there is the chance that Bizzaro's classic way of talking and thinking will be interduced in the premire of Season 7. I'm hoping for it anyway. I did get a good laugh out of him saying "I'm you, just a little more bizzare."

As usual, the ending of the finale has the major characters in peril, except for Martha, whom is on her way to Washington, D.C. and out of the major character section of Smallville, sadly. Clark is probably swimming with the fishes in Reeves' Dam, Lois is trying to get the deathly weakened Chloe out of the Dam, Lionel is out cold under some debris, Lex is being arrested for Lana's death, and well, Lana is either dead (one can hope) or MIA now. I really wish that J'onn had been left in peril as well. They had the opportunity to actually put him in it as well since he was injured, but I guess he sent himself up into space to heal instead.

Anyway, despite a few problems, I loved the episode. It was an extremely good season finale. I can't wait for the premire of Season 7.

Ginx

05-17-2007, 07:28 PM

I gave it a 10. I really wished it was a 2-hour finale because there was so much going on that it was just crazy.

I can't believe how almost everyone sorta dies and you really don't know who is really dead and who is not.

Loved that Lex got arrested for killing Lana when he didn't do it. Nice move Lana but Lex will get you now.

Loved Bizarro Clark. The ending was just so arrrghhhh though. I really wanted more. I hope this is a sign of the season to come. Filled with more villians besides Lex.

Interesting to find out about Lionel and MM sorta working together for Jor-El. Wish Lionel had been a little more forward about all that information before now.

Lexgirl33

05-17-2007, 07:29 PM

Wow that was the best finale IMO!

Routh

05-17-2007, 07:29 PM

Worst. Finale. Ever.

Seriously, I am fuming right now. I can't even speak. Jesus Christ.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 07:29 PM

~Clana....dear god will you just stop beating the dead horse. I was literally shouting at my tv (to my sister's amusement) while he starts telling her his secret....plus the kiss (superman does not do adultery)....it was just frustrating

a) Marriage is a choice. Lana had chosen to end the marriage. The matter of "adultery" was simply a formality based on paperwork at this point.

b) MM's role is likely to be much expanded in Season 7. We've learned far too much about him for him to go away forever at this point.

burekijogurt

05-17-2007, 07:40 PM

Too fast. The whole season they develop the storylines nicely and slowly and then they go spastic:

I'm leaving Lex.
Awsome.
I know you have powers.
I'm an alien.
Lionel threatened to kill you if I marry Lex.

I know you are spying on me.
I know you faked my pregnancy.

I'm gonna kill you Lionel.
No, he's with us.
And by the way, I'm with Jor El as well. and I'm Martian.

All of that took like 3 minutes.

RJLCyberPunk

05-17-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
Personally, I thought it was awesome!

The way Shelby killed Martha was just. ugh. Incredible.
I'm sorry but are we talking about the same episode here?:confused:
I never saw Martha Kent being killed off. At the begining of the Ep she goes off to Washinton and that's it in the one I saw. Plus it is Lana who is apparently killed (I believe she may have staged her own death to throw Lex of her scent and stop him in one masterful blow as he off course gets pinned for her murder! Also Louis almost buys the farm as well but gets saved somehow by Chloe. I sure hope Chloe simply healed her and not transfer the wound from Louis body into her but since she was out could I cannot be sure. The introduction of Bizzaro was awesome! Bring on the next season I cannot wait!:D :p :D

QUOTE]Originally posted by MidgardDragon
*sighs* If only...

*goes away to imagination-land* [/QUOTE]

:lol:LAWL:lol:
I think you have watched one too many episodes of the L Word (Not that I blame yah) :p

SON_of_Kal-el_06

05-17-2007, 07:44 PM

happy lana is dead... if its a fake... then o well ... but people remeber that CLARK AND LOIS get married... which brings me on to my theory of choles "power" ... i think she is just gonna live on threw lois, thats when lois starts to have feelings for clark because we all know choles story blah! ...... since i said that ....the bizzaro and clark fight was at least better than the wes and clark fight.... happy bout the fact that lex was arrested..... happy to see MM back ...... SEASON 7 !!! cant wait!! when does that start have the let thought news out yet? and when does the dvd season 6 come out ? answers people!!!

xHerox

05-17-2007, 07:45 PM

Well, I have to give this episode an '8'. I thought the beginning of the episode was a little weak, and was a pretty blatant attempt to wrap up all of the storylines that had been going throughout the season. That's not to say it wasn't done well, but it was just sort of forced. I also thought Lana's "death" (I use that term loosely) was a little contrived and expected.

Nevertheless, I thought the episode began to pick up more about midway through and the last segment was really amazing. The only problem I have is that they have left the lives of three characters (Lana, Chloe, and Lionel) in jeopardy, and that just seems to be a bit too much. Nevertheless, this was an entertaining episode and I hope that it sets up next season very well; personally, I think Bizarro could be a villain for the first few episodes of season seven as opposed to just the premiere.

It definitely has me looking forward to next season, though!

Deana

05-17-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
a) Marriage is a choice. Lana had chosen to end the marriage. The matter of "adultery" was simply a formality based on paperwork at this point. Right, keep telling yourself that.

They officially ruined Clark with that action.

They continued down that wonderful path written to make any soap jealous as he rushed to kill Lionel and than Lex.

As he was going on his rampage, aka stroll down broken heartsville, more people could've died at the hands of the phantom. A phantom that he was supposed to be hunting, before he went to train.

Some how tracking phantoms played second fiddle to "Days of Our Lives."

Yet, we have a Clark refusing to leave his "home," letting us know that his words after Raya's death was a lie. Or letting us know that obsession can make a monkey out of even moral oral Clark. ;)

Rachel B

05-17-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Routh
Worst. Finale. Ever.

Seriously, I am fuming right now. I can't even speak. Jesus Christ.

ITA, there are no words for how lame this was.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Routh
Worst. Finale. Ever.

Seriously, I am fuming right now. I can't even speak. Jesus Christ.

LOL Ahehehahahhohoeaha

I'm sorry, really I am, I don't mean to make light of your opinion. But I'm just so unable to fathom how anyone could feel this way that it's funny to hear some say it. Especially when they are "fuming" over it.

Okay I'm done..

hahahehoahaha

Err, sorry.

Originally posted by Deana
Right, keep telling yourself that.

They officially ruined Clark with that action.

I'm no telling myself anything, simply stating the facts. Marriage is a choice and Lana chose to end hers. Once she made that choice and decided to stand by it and leave town, then the rest was simply the formality of paperwork.

PS: Did you fail to notice that Lana made that move? Clark did accept it, but he didn't "kiss her" she "kissed him".

Deana

05-17-2007, 07:50 PM

The only thing good about the finale was when Bizarro came into being. What was that? All of seven minutes.

Oh yeah, always a pleasure to see Lois kick someone's butt, even when gutted with a knife she pulls of a K.O.

I think I liked a total of eight minutes of the finale.

Routh

05-17-2007, 07:51 PM

Unfortunately, MidgardDragon, not everything this show does is cool. Or awesome. Or amazing. Yes, nice special effects. Yeah, Bizarro. Great.

But the plot, characterizations, and 95% of everything else sucked so hard. I'm not going to be blinded by "Ooh! Everyone's in danger! Bizarro! Martian Manhunter, kind of! Yeah!"

Sorry. Just not.

Deana

05-17-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon

I'm no telling myself anything, simply stating the facts. Marriage is a choice and Lana chose to end hers. Once she made that choice and decided to stand by it and leave town, then the rest was simply the formality of paperwork.

PS: Did you fail to notice that Lana made that move? Clark did accept it, but he didn't "kiss her" she "kissed him". I don't consider a marriage over until the papers are signed.

Oh, I saw how they wrote it where small Lana grabs poor defenseless "Clark" and he could nothing to stop her.

That happened in the finale last year with Chloe if I remember correctly. Except Chloe wasn't married.

WhitneyFordmanFanatic

05-17-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Deana
Right, keep telling yourself that.

Some how tracking phantoms played second fiddle to "Days of Our Lives."

That is hilarious!:rotfl: hehehe. Very good indeed. I am a Days fan, and I'm even laughing about it. It's sad, and it's true. *sighs* Our poor, dear Superman. Lana's destroying him.

quietone

05-17-2007, 07:57 PM

Everything related to the phantom was good. Loved Bizarro!Clark and can't wait to see where that leads in Season 7.

Worst part of the episode was all the Clexana stuff. Dear God will it ever end? The Clark/Lex confrontation would have been better if it weren't about Lana. They should have been fighting over what Lex was doing.

Also, Chloe's meteor freak power should have been held back to next season as should Lois' investigation of Wes. There wasn't enough development of those storylines; they seemed shoe horned into this ep.

I hope Martha Kent makes special appearances next season. I'm glad; I like AOT and getting rid of both parents would seem cruel.

Do TPTB remember that the Kents have a dog named Shelby?

meggy

05-17-2007, 08:00 PM

nope..sorry..i will have to say that this was not the best finale ever. no way. The last 10 minutes made up for alot of the nonsense....thpse few minutes were AMAZING..but not enough to redeem the whole episode:

The Good:
-Lex and his army/phantoms storyline. This really made the whole epi

-Clark working on computers at the DP. See?? he DOES have comp skills..a little of Chloe, Computer Geek must have rubbed off on him:) ..when was the last time we saw him on a computer??

-the scary body snatching phantom

-Martian Manhunter. nuff said

-continuity from last week

-chlo-lo love

-Bizarro and the small fight scene

-all Clark's secrets are out: it's about time

-flying!sexy Bizarro...2 Kent's are defintely better than one!

The Bad

-Lana getting slapped by Lex. Didn't really care for Lex to be a wife beater

-Clark knows that Lana knows his secret, but he never asked how...but then again, we all know that what happened in Promise will never, ever be brought up:\

-Clark getting all teary eyed when telling Lana the secret. puhhhlease.

-Mama Kent leaving:(

-Clark "encountering" the Phantom only because his main purpose was to manhandle Lex about killing Lana. I guess he was just in the right place at the right time, and just happened to come across the phantom. Lucky for the human race:\

-So, Clark, were you going to kill Lionel because he forced the marriage? Really? Was that your intention?..to choke the life out of the man and beat him to a pulp? what happened to the man who felt badly about killing people?...what?...that was Bizarro, not you?...orrrr..ok then.:\

-Chloe, chloe, chloe? what have they done to you?...I understand you might be trying to save your cousin from the snare of the Luthors, but it's not like the Chloe i knew for 5+ years, who NEVER backed down from the Luthors. What happened to season5!Chloe who walked in the Luthor mansion and told Lex that if he ever hurt her friend, she would be the problem he would have to deal with? Where is the chloe who would be motivated to bring down Lex because of all the things he did to you?...what?...major retcon with your character?....yeah, I knew this was coming a long time ago :\

The Ugly:

-all the guts...i thought i was back in Static

BeatlesRule

05-17-2007, 08:01 PM

I liked almost all of it, although things were certainly moving fast at the start. I agree that they should have saved Chloe's power for next season. I was really never very keen on Bizzaro in the comics, but it was sort of cool when his face cracked at the end. I gave it an 8.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Routh
Unfortunately, MidgardDragon, not everything this show does is cool. Or awesome. Or amazing. Yes, nice special effects. Yeah, Bizarro. Great.

But the plot, characterizations, and 95% of everything else sucked so hard. I'm not going to be blinded by "Ooh! Everyone's in danger! Bizarro! Martian Manhunter, kind of! Yeah!"

Sorry. Just not.

I don't think everything Smallville does is great. But saying this episode was horrible and you are fuming. It's just hilarious to me. I soooo disagree that what you are saying just sounds like a parody of all the whiny fans I've listened to throughout this season. I thought every part of it was absolutely amazing and disagree with you 100%.

I don't consider a marriage over until the papers are signed.

Have you been married? Divorced? 'cause I've done both, and trust me we didn't get the paperwork done til a couple of years afterwards. The marriage was over, done, finito loooooonnnnnggggg before some measly paperwork got taken care of. Firsthand experience speaking here.

burekijogurt

05-17-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Deana
I don't consider a marriage over until the papers are signed.

This marriage never began. I mean what is a marriage:

1) A forced union built on a threat of killing the man a bride loves, and on the deception of the bride by the groom who drugged her to make her believe she is pregnant and then let her suffer thinking she lost the baby. Papers by some government saying that this union is a marriage.

2) A deep connection between two people who showed love for eachother numerous times sacrificing themselves for the sake of the other? No papers.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by burekijogurt
This marriage never began. I mean what is a marriage:

1) A forced union built on a threat of killing the man a bride loves, and on the deception of the bride by the groom who drugged her to make her believe she is pregnant and then let her suffer thinking she lost the baby. Papers by some government saying that this union is a marriage.

2) A deep connection between two people who showed love for eachother numerous times sacrificing themselves for the sake of the other? No papers.

Exactly, if you think keeping some vows that you were forced into is more important than love and doing what's right, then I think your priorities are severely f'ed up. "Adultery" this was not. It was a kiss from a woman who was leaving her husband to a man who she thought she was never seeing again. Nothing more, nothing less.

floydfan

05-17-2007, 08:17 PM

for christ sake, no more clana please, stop that!! hopefully this time is for good

It wasn't that bad, but again, i still have the feeling that they're destroying my favorite superhero in some way

superhippie2000

05-17-2007, 08:18 PM

i thought it was an awesome episode. loved bizzaro showing up and being different then the comic version which could have been a good or bad thing and in this case it was great. i liked how krypton made this creature and it wasnt lex although it seeme dlike krypton was creating a super being like lex is trying to do. like bizzaro is what lex ultimate goal would have been. im glad this might mean blue k next season and please please let bizzaro stay on smallville for a while. he should be the ultimate villian next season.

i hope chloe isnt dead and im hoping manhunter returns next season too. it still seems to me lionel is the eradicator. this can be a set up for a great season 7 i just hope it doesnt dissapoint.

Jack-El49

05-17-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by burekijogurt
Too fast. The whole season they develop the storylines nicely and slowly and then they go spastic:

I'm leaving Lex.
Awsome.
I know you have powers.
I'm an alien.
Lionel threatened to kill you if I marry Lex.

I know you are spying on me.
I know you faked my pregnancy.

I'm gonna kill you Lionel.
No, he's with us.
And by the way, I'm with Jor El as well. and I'm Martian.

All of that took like 3 minutes.

I gave it an 8 for that very reason. They seem to do this every year - cram an ending of pretty complex plots into a single episode. Either they needed a 2-hour series finale or a 2-part series finale.

They also need to tone down the commercials. I think after the first 4 or 5 minute opening, there were about 10 commercials in a row. It's nice to know that SV is a cash cow, advertising wise, but come on. There's too much stuff to wrap up in one episode as it is, let alone plug in about 6 to 8 extra commercials.

Martha's send off should have been last week and her final appearance tonight - getting in a car or something. By the way, I don't know who is in more peril: those left in SV or Martha going to Washington? :lol:

Clana-haters can bash this all they want but after 6 years of waiting for Clark to tell Lana his secret, this was a letdown. Instead of Noir, they could have had an episode with flashbacks as part of the whole "here's my secret - finally" gig. Instead of that, it's a 30-second moment. Pretty deflating, actually.

It was obvious that Lana hops in the Luthorcorp Laundry truck, too. There were better ways of escaping.

Actually, the Lexana breakup sceme was pretty good, I thought.

I did not think that Chloe's role was a "plot device" and her healing abilities were done a lot better than I thought they might be. Did anyone else think we were seeing CHLOIS for a second? I sure did, until the camera panned and Chloe was unconcious. How Craig views revealing her power and saving the life of her cousin as a "plot device" is beyond me. I guess because she didn't stop the dam from bursting by hacking into the dam's water management controls and lowering the water level first to reduce the pressure exerted against the dam wall meant that her contribution in the finale was a "plot device".

Lionel and MM. Lionel had a good role but it should have been played out last week instead of a brief explanation in 1 minute or less this week.

As I said, I enjoyed it but getting it all in was like getting a drink of water from a fire hydrant. I wish they'd quit finishing off a season that way.

Rachel B

05-17-2007, 08:22 PM

I've known people who said that there marriage was over, got separated for awhile and then decided to make up. Rather or not Lana claims that the marriage is over, I expect someone like Calrk to respect that she is still married. But this is the same Clark who tried to kiss Lana before she cired divorce.

This episode felt too rushed to me. Like they tried to cram everything they wanted to do this season in one episode. I only enjoyed the last few minutes, but by then the whole beginning of the episode ruined it for me.

And Chloe's power? That has got to be the lamest power ever. I don't know any other meteor freak who dies/nearly dies, after using there power only once. Just not very entertaining, IMHO.

burekijogurt

05-17-2007, 08:22 PM

I'm probably the only fan of the show that like both the Clana angst part and the Superman mythos part. Most people don't like an episode because it deals mostly with the part they are not that interested in. I loved Justice League and I loved Promise!

This episode I was dissapointed with because everything happened extremely quickly. Nothing was vetted as it should have been.

Shadowlord367

05-17-2007, 08:23 PM

WAIT!

Is "buys the farm" an expression that the producers used in that interview?

Cuz I was like, Is lionel going to buy it?

I think the episode would have been much better uninterrupted.

But the last ten minutes totally would have been enough for me.

kryptonaidxh

05-17-2007, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by floydfan
for christ sake, no more clana please, stop that!! hopefully this time is for good

It wasn't that bad, but again, i still have the feeling that they're destroying my favorite superhero in some way

I agree, no more clana please, better Lana death:)

Liriel

05-17-2007, 08:27 PM

I expect someone like Calrk to respect that she is still married.I can't agree with that. I despise Clana. But she was forced into it - agreed only under threat of death to someone she cared about. It wasn't even a legitimate marriage to begin with - it can't be if it isn't willingly entered into by both parties.

seraphim

05-17-2007, 08:29 PM

I felt the episode was rushed also and that's why I gave it a 9. Overall though, it was a good episode.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Rachel B
I've known people who said that there marriage was over, got separated for awhile and then decided to make up.

You really think that's even a remote possibility for Lex and Lana.

In the words of that kid from South Park: *tilts head* "Reeeallly?" *raises an eyebrow*

CallMeClark

05-17-2007, 08:32 PM

Hated it.

Every moment of it.

It was my worst finale ever. The only scenes I enjoyed were Martha/Clark and Chloe/Lois and Lois solo ones. It was horrible.

burekijogurt

05-17-2007, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Jack-El49
I gave it an 8 for that very reason. They seem to do this every year - cram an ending of pretty complex plots into a single episode. Either they needed a 2-hour series finale or a 2-part series finale

.....

Martha's send off should have been last week and her final appearance tonight - getting in a car or something. By the way, I don't know who is in more peril: those left in SV or Martha going to Washington? :lol:

Clana-haters can bash this all they want but after 6 years of waiting for Clark to tell Lana his secret, this was a letdown. Instead of Noir, they could have had an episode with flashbacks as part of the whole "here's my secret - finally" gig. Instead of that, it's a 30-second moment. Pretty deflating, actually.

....

Lionel and MM. Lionel had a good role but it should have been played out last week instead of a brief explanation in 1 minute or less this week.

As I said, I enjoyed it but getting it all in was like getting a drink of water from a fire hydrant. I wish they'd quit finishing off a season that way.

Precisely. The should have completely eliminated Noir and spread out the themes from the Prototype and the Phantom over three episodes giving each theme a proper treatement. 'Getting a drink from a fire hydrant" thats exactely what it was.

Rosa76

05-17-2007, 08:34 PM

I loved it , especially the end.My only complaint is I wished it was longer.

Kid Collins

05-17-2007, 08:36 PM

Yeah, that's my biggest problem with this ep, it felt so rushed. It's like every hanging plot was crammed into 40 minutes!

The secret reveal should've been a longer, more involved scene instead of a couple of lines. I've been waiting for this for so long now and I wanted more!

I loved the Clana scene simply for their chemistry. I can't wait for Lana to be single again.

And I had no problem with Clark kissing a married woman. :p

Lexana is finally over! Hallelujah!!

That said, Lana better be faking her death and she better be in the season premier next season. I'm not threatening or anything. :lol:

Bizarro and the whole Phantom plot line gave me Exorcist and The Omen flashbacks. :lol:

Lara20

05-17-2007, 08:36 PM

That was by far the worst season finale ever.

Darth Pipes

05-17-2007, 08:38 PM

Had to vote this one an average. It was nothing special for most of the episode, until the end. The emergence of Bizarro and his encounter with Clark was awesome and raised the season finale. But the previous season finales have been much better.

I really, really hope Chloe isn't dead. It's interesting how the women in Clark's life are gone in some way after tonight's episode. Martha is in Washington and Lana and Chloe are presumed dead.

Lex didn't hit Lana hard enough. She was still breating.

Liked seeing Phil Morris return as Manhunter although I would have liked to have seen more of him. I can't help but wonder how different the finale would have been in the Green Arrow had returned. I guess we'll never know.

Definitely a lot of plot advancement tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing where it all goes.

Since this is Phil Morris, I was expecting him to say to Clark...

"Who told you to touch the red kryptonite? Did I tell you to touch the red kryptonite?"

Rachel B

05-17-2007, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
You really think that's even a remote possibility for Lex and Lana.

In the words of that kid from South Park: *tilts head* "Reeeallly?" *raises an eyebrow*

No I don't, but Clark isn't privy to see what we (the audience) see. Last week Clark tried to kiss Lana, before she called it quits. I just think that the very second Lana declares that she is leaving Lex, Clana should not have shared a kiss. To me that is tacky.

CallMeClark

05-17-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Lara20
That was by far the worst season finale ever.
Agreed. It was horrible.

And all the pulling out of guts and satanic child talk? When the hell did this turn into a Horror flick?

Rachel B

05-17-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Agreed. It was horrible.

And all the pulling out of guts and satanic child talk? When the hell did this turn into a Horror flick?

I had to double check, because at first I thought I was watching Supernatural.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 08:47 PM

So question, if this is the worst season finale ever, how come there are only a few votes for 1, a vote for 2, and the rest of the votes are "average" or better (5 and up)? I mean, surely if it's the worst ever, and it's not just that you, personally, didn't like it, then there would be far more votes for 1-4, right?

(This post will clearly change as the votes change, but surely since I don't see it getting as many 1's as an epi like Promise that was shipper centered, I'm sure my point will still stand.)

Liriel

05-17-2007, 08:51 PM

Frankly, it sounded so bad that I skipped it, so I can't vote (honestly).

CallMeClark

05-17-2007, 08:52 PM

Give it time.

And again, this is my opinion. And I hated it, as a finale. I thought it was predictable and tacky. It was the worst finale for me.

Originally posted by Liriel
Frankly, it sounded so bad that I skipped it, so I can't vote (honestly).
I had thought about that from the preview. ;)

LanaandPete

05-17-2007, 08:54 PM

Also, friends and I had a discussion about the baby, was Lex lying? He had the same facial expressions when he told Clark he didn't know about lana.

Liriel

05-17-2007, 08:56 PM

Oh, and at least a few of those "10" votes were up there before the ep aired. And at least one person said they hadn't seen the ep yet when they voted.

CallMeClark

05-17-2007, 08:57 PM

*nods* I agree. I think the finale will be lower rated after a few days.

Rachel B

05-17-2007, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
So question, if this is the worst season finale ever, how come there are only a few votes for 1, a vote for 2, and the rest of the votes are "average" or better (5 and up)? I mean, surely if it's the worst ever, and it's not just that you, personally, didn't like it, then there would be far more votes for 1-4, right?

(This post will clearly change as the votes change, but surely since I don't see it getting as many 1's as an epi like Promise that was shipper centered, I'm sure my point will still stand.)

Of course I can't speak for everyone, but for me the last half of this season had a lot to do with it. After so many dull episodes (IMO) I expected more from the Finale. But this episode had everything that the last half of the season should have had. But instead to me it was all crammed into one episode that should have been spread out. So ten minutes of SFX and Bizarro!Clark doesn't cut it for me.

Insight

05-17-2007, 09:03 PM

I actually liked it a lot. It flowed well and really left me wanting to see what happens. A lot of things were explained, but some weren't (i.e. the baby?).

Isn't that what a finale is supposed to do?

newfan

05-17-2007, 09:06 PM

I loved it! I hate waiting for September damnit :lol:

puppiesnkittens

05-17-2007, 09:15 PM

For the first time in 6 years, I thought the finale sucked. It was pretty much the same freaking finale they have done for years. I am so disappointed right now in this show. I sincerely hope next season is the last because tptb just don't have anything left obviously. :(

FWIW, the only characters that are actually likable at this point are Chloe, Lois & Lionel. I am not liking Clark much anymore, he is the FARTHEST from being the world's savior he has ever been. Ready to KILL because Lana was forced to marry Lex? Who the f##@ is this guy? Maybe BizarroClark can take his place. At least he can fly. :(

Randy G.

05-17-2007, 09:19 PM

I freakin' Loved it! :p

Maybe a little too much action crammed in 1 hour though. :\
Remember, we're used to seeing a whole lot of filler material. It has always taken a long time for things to happen.
I almost O.D.'d on action this time around. Lol! :lol:

They could've AT LEAST gave us a 2 hour season finale.

IvanDA

05-17-2007, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by WhitneyFordmanFanatic

I guess I'm alright with Chloe's meteor ability, but it's kinda weak considering the character we're talking about. I knew the healing tears was going to be her ability about a week ago. Sometimes Wikipedia does actually give accurate information. I think my earlier idea of her having Lazarus Effect abilities would've been cooler, but that's just me.

So where in wikipedia did you read what her ability was going to be?

jazel

05-17-2007, 09:20 PM

didn't vote, didn't enjoy the epi.:(
GOT really po'd, when Clark cried for Lana's fake death,
as his FURTURE wife actually did die, but they had NO interaction
in the entire epi. Why can't Lo be at the point, she calls Clark
when she's in trouble ? After all the time's he's saved her, you'd think she'd be a little more aware of his saving abilities.......they have a LONG way to go.
But if she did call him, I could see him
ignoring her, thanks to the Clana drama. One question, does ANYBODY really care ? I can't believe, how easily Clark forgets Jonathan, and the horror of Reckoning !
Maybe he should take a look, at the picture Martha was looking at, before she left.:(

ptsuperman

05-17-2007, 09:22 PM

I loved the finale. I like the fighting sequences and wish they would do more. If Lana really is dead, I'm going to be really sad. She could barf on me and I would still be in love with her.

Clark needs to fly soon but hold out on the suit until the series finale. Can't wait until new episodes come on again.

puppiesnkittens

05-17-2007, 09:23 PM

^^ The saddest thing is that with Martha gone, who the hell will actually make Clark grow up? Ollie has to come back, this alien needs some help. He is backpedaling sooooo fast character wise, it is kinda scary.

WhitneyFordmanFanatic

05-17-2007, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by IvanDA
So where in wikipedia did you read what her ability was going to be?

It was near the bottom of the descriptions and such that they had for the "Phantom" episode itself. All of the major spoilers were colored in white so you had to highlight that stuff to be spoiled on it. The healing tears were there.

drufan

05-17-2007, 09:31 PM

One thing this finale seems to have done is left people wanting more. More time, more Superman, more MM... I think it's done its job. I definitely had a first act feel. We now have to wait for the second in Sept.

For the Clana haters...TPTB have admitted that as Clark and Lois walk down the aisle...there shall be Clana. It sucks but whatchya gonna do? Grouse and moan?

Alas, this is Clark growing up and making all of those stupid and possibly amoral mistakes. He's still on the learning curve. I hope he hurries it up. TW is looking his age and I want to see Clark just absolutely lose it sometime. I want Three Mile Island to look like a picnic.

I still enjoyed, especially the last ten minutes, and I want more. I give it a 7. Started out too slow and then crammed too much. Lana's cliche "death" is a 2 point deduction unless they've faked us out...Nah.

meggy

05-17-2007, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by drufan
For the Clana haters...TPTB have admitted that as Clark and Lois walk down the aisle...there shall be Clana. It sucks but whatchya gonna do? Grouse and moan?

tptb of Smallville said this? really? when?...i wish that for no woman or couple...especially one about to get married

BadToad

05-17-2007, 09:40 PM

Actually, they only made that crack about Lana being at Clark and Lois' wedding as a joke on the "Thirst" commentary to tease Al Gough. Of course, who knows with these guys? On the same commentary, they were swearing Clana was dead, and obviously not...

drufan

05-17-2007, 09:50 PM

It was on the commentary. They love the Clana because of the chemistry. To them it is what drives the show. It's the heart of the story. They shall beat us in the head with it until we say, Uncle!

IvanDA

05-17-2007, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by WhitneyFordmanFanatic
It was near the bottom of the descriptions and such that they had for the "Phantom" episode itself. All of the major spoilers were colored in white so you had to highlight that stuff to be spoiled on it. The healing tears were there.

Ok so this is what I see in WikiPedia

Phantom
Plot

A Kryptonian wraith possesses an old man, and the Martian Manhunter arrives. The wraith knocks the Manhunter away, and Lex arrives with a team to capture it, but it flees. Lana tells Lex she is leaving him after Clark reveals his alien history to her. Clark then confronts Lionel to find out why he threatened Lana. When Lionel reminds Clark that he is not a murderer, the Manhunter arrives and explains he was an officer of Jor-El's, and Lionel is on their side. Lana decides to leave Smallville, and Lionel asks her to wait, but when she cranks her car, there is an explosion right after a postal truck goes by. Lois goes to one of Lex's base, but is stabbed by a guard, and Chloe finds her body. As she sheds tears, Lois revives, healed, but Chloe is unconcious. Meanwhile, Lex has captured the wraith, who has possessed a young boy. The boy breaks out and kills a scientist, and Clark, informed of Lana's death by Lionel, goes to stop it, after he has been warned that the wraith can kill a Kryptonian. The wraith leaves the boy and passes through Clark, where it becomes a sort of clone of him. After Lionel touches kryptonite to the clone and it heals, it informs Clark it is like him, but bizzarre. As the Clark clone flees, its face crystallizes into Bizarro's signature rock-like face.

Are you telling me this was in there since last week?

puppiesnkittens

05-17-2007, 09:50 PM

Almiles can joke about Lana ruining the future marriage of Lois and Clark but DC comics would never, ever allow it. That much is for sure. :)

jazel

05-17-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by drufan
It was on the commentary. They love the Clana because of the chemistry. To them it is what drives the show. It's the heart of the story. They shall beat us in the head with it until we say, Uncle!

Sadly, I think you might be right :mad: :mad: :mad:

svtwamedfan05

05-17-2007, 09:55 PM

It was awesome, it had action (finally), it had a huge fight, Clark (or should I say Bizzaro) flew, Lex slapped Lana, Chloe brought Lois back to life oh and Lana want KABOOM. What more can a girl ask for :D

Jaded Wolf

05-17-2007, 10:04 PM

I gave it a 4!!! Here's why:

It's like the writers are not even trying anymore. They had one episode to tie up all the loose ends. End #1, the phantoms; #2 Lex and Lana and Clark; #3, 33.1; #4, Chloe's powers; #5, Lionel. 5 ends in one barely 60-minute episode. I don't think so.

The deaths were meaningless. The Lana thing felt so stale that when she was telling Lionel how scared she was and she was leaving I felt nothing. Then the thing with Chloe and I just got upset right there. What a stupid power and what a stupid way to kill off a character that has brought so much to the show.

Then we barely get time to see Clark face off against 'bizarro". This was just a stupid way to bring another mythos character in and botch up that character as well. What's next, Mxyzyptlk? Oh wait, they already did that one...

Lois is starting to bug me and when Chloe started crying I started to cringe. By the way, if that had been a real trained professional guard that tried to apprehend Lois, he would have held the gun in two hands in a better defense stance. Not that John Wayne bullcrap which made it easy for Lois to unarm him.

What a stupid season finale! I have never seen a more stupid season finale since the season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's season finale. Ever since Jeph Loeb left the series to go and play on NBC's "Heroes", this hsow has taken a big dump. It will take quite a bit to get me back as a viewer next season! :mad:

Bosrudorfer

05-17-2007, 10:12 PM

I said 7 because there were toooo many deaths. Lois died and came back, Chloe is dead, and Lana clearly faked her death by jumping on that passing truck.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 10:12 PM

[quote]They had one episode to tie up all the loose ends. End #1, the phantoms; #2 Lex and Lana and Clark; #3, 33.1; #4, Chloe's powers; #5, Lionel. 5 ends in one barely 60-minute episode. I don't think so.[/quote

#1 - Well there was the one left, and they made it a doozy. And plus, we all knew the main villain wouldn't be taken care of til the premiere. At least I hope those of us that have been watching for six years could've figured taht out.

#2 - Not gonna be wrapped up in one episode. What were you thinking?

#3 - 33.1 wrapped up in one episode? What the heck? That's Lex's big thing and it's not even close to over.

#4 - They didn't even have to show us Chloe's power, that could've been kept for the premiere, but they did anyways.

#5 - Really? Lionel's entire purpose was supposed to be wrapped up this episode? I must say I'm glad you don't write for Smallville (and I do believe I've said that before.)

WhitneyFordmanFanatic

05-17-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by IvanDA
Ok so this is what I see in WikiPedia

Phantom
Plot

A Kryptonian wraith possesses an old man, and the Martian Manhunter arrives. The wraith knocks the Manhunter away, and Lex arrives with a team to capture it, but it flees. Lana tells Lex she is leaving him after Clark reveals his alien history to her. Clark then confronts Lionel to find out why he threatened Lana. When Lionel reminds Clark that he is not a murderer, the Manhunter arrives and explains he was an officer of Jor-El's, and Lionel is on their side. Lana decides to leave Smallville, and Lionel asks her to wait, but when she cranks her car, there is an explosion right after a postal truck goes by. Lois goes to one of Lex's base, but is stabbed by a guard, and Chloe finds her body. As she sheds tears, Lois revives, healed, but Chloe is unconcious. Meanwhile, Lex has captured the wraith, who has possessed a young boy. The boy breaks out and kills a scientist, and Clark, informed of Lana's death by Lionel, goes to stop it, after he has been warned that the wraith can kill a Kryptonian. The wraith leaves the boy and passes through Clark, where it becomes a sort of clone of him. After Lionel touches kryptonite to the clone and it heals, it informs Clark it is like him, but bizzarre. As the Clark clone flees, its face crystallizes into Bizarro's signature rock-like face.

Are you telling me this was in there since last week?

I seriously doubt that page would remain the same right after the episode has been seen by people. Wikipedia allows the people that come there to make edits for them, so obviously all of that was added after tonight's viewing, so the section for Phantom was changed completely from the day that it was in the appearance that I saw.

MidgardDragon

05-17-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I said 7 because there were toooo many deaths. Lois died and came back, Chloe is dead, and Lana clearly faked her death by jumping on that passing truck.

I think you're assuming that one of the deaths is real when it clearly won't be.

Sharingan

05-17-2007, 10:26 PM

yea... the writer for smallville should be shot .. even a kindergarden can pull something better out of their arse.

Dodden

05-17-2007, 10:31 PM

Wasn't particularly fond of this episode. The first 35 minutes were basically a bore.

bluekryptonite8

05-17-2007, 10:33 PM

I dont think Lana is dead because it was kinda weird with the car getting in the way, One moment she's opening the door but we dont see if she gets in the car cause the car got on the way and then BAM!!! So maybe she's alive, I think she made it think she died so Lex could fallow her or get revenge on her, but thats my opinion

paolinki25

05-17-2007, 11:06 PM

There have been better season finales. I think this story was all over the place.

Mini Wolfsbane

05-17-2007, 11:17 PM

I enjoyed this episode a lot, but it did go too fast.
And some of the acting, or I guess the dialogue, didn't feel very...meaningful. Just sounded like they were reading lines, I suppose.

Good stuff:

Evil Clark!
This is what "bad Clark" should be like. Totally ruthless.
I thought the 'bizzare' line was horrible, but otherwise,
I'd take this version of Clark over Red-K Clark any day.
It was very, very satisfying for me.

Chloe has healing power!

I liked the way they did their Bizzaro and the fight
was beyond awesome.Though I don't like him
that much as a character. Loved the fight, though.

The kid...was very, very scary. Haven't
seen anything that disturbing on TV since
things on Lost.

Lana's death was very unexpected.
Very nice. Major Brownie points to anything involving
an explosion in a Smallville eppy.

Dude! My Clana dreams are realized!
(Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm one of THEM!*que scary music.*)
He told her everything! It wasn't as amazing as
that other episode where similar events occured,
but it was nice to see it happen for real this time.
And they kissed. Too bad there's every possibility
she's dead.

Speaking of Clana, loved Clark's reaction to her
death. I almost cried there, it was that good.

Oh, and it was nice finally seeing Lionel getting
what was coming to him. Good think MM stepped
in before anything happened.

Bad stuff:

Bizzaro was a big surprise, and maybe I'm a little irked
since I never did like him much in the animated series,
but if he doesn't talk all messed up, I think I'll be happy.

Martha left ? So soon ? Nooo!!:(

MM/Lionel team up ?
Interesting, but it just kinda left me going :confused:.
(again, fast-paced/whatever dialogue here.)

Lois's fight was kinda lame, since we've
seen it, oh, a billion times now.
(except I actually enjoyed seeing that
she's not invincible. Plus I find her character
obnoxious.)

Other:

So, Lana's not dead because everyone said she jumped on
the mail-truck ? Uh, I was watching too and I believe
the truck was finished passing Lionel once the
SUV exploded. Lame theory, IMO.
Eventhough part of me is doubtful, I think that's
the last we've seen of Lana.
(Come on, the truck friggin' exploded! How's she gonna
survive that ?)

Mello Penelo

05-17-2007, 11:25 PM

I gave it a 6. It was just average for me.

Snip_credit

05-17-2007, 11:46 PM

Chloe better not be dead. I don't mind the tears but personally since we saw her Mom I thought we would have seen her spin and become a real wonder woman to save her cousin Lois. By the way on a quick rewatch note when Clark is explaining about the latest Lana crap we hear the steam before the scene changes. GUESS CLARK AND CHLOE ARE LETTING OFF STEAM. Also Al, Miles, change the damn rule. We've had Lex as Zod fly, MM flies and now Bizarro anti-Clark fly off. His face looking like the Joker, wait till Lex gets a load of him! ALSO DID LEX TRY TO WARN CLARK TO LEAVE AS A NICE GESTURE OR WHAT? Lastly if Chloe dies saving Lois I get Lois' reason for joining the Daily Planet, but I don't see where/when/how sparks will fly in the future for this Clark and Lois. "Did you pull the knife out of me Smallville?" I don't think so.

Final rating: 8.

Gained 1 for Lex slap happy.
Will go into negatives if Chloe croaks.

InLove_with_Chloe

05-17-2007, 11:53 PM

'5', again.

Nothing special, really.

Kirstycol

05-18-2007, 12:03 AM

I absolutley love this episode. Lex is so freakin evil now. I'm so intrigued. But I'll miss the smooth talking love struck Lex. He always made me melt :p He's just pure evil now. But I love how Lex admitted he's raising an army. What did he call it? His combat army? Awesome! He's sounding like a general... like general Zod. Maybe residual energy was left behind when Zod was removed. Just making Lex 10 times more evil than he would have been normally.
Ahh I can't belive I have to wait all summer for the next episode. grrr.

I think I might be toooo into the show LOL

jazel

05-18-2007, 12:03 AM

not too happy that apparently NOBODY, but a bunch of NOBODY's died, and the little kid ? did they really have to go there ?

Kirstycol

05-18-2007, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by jazel
and the little kid ? did they really have to go there ?

Yah that was creeeeeepy. *shudder* But it totally topped off the episode.
Stuff like that is what keeps this show from becoming a teen soap opera. Which is a very good thing.

Izanaki

05-18-2007, 12:10 AM

I gave this episode an 8/10. I too felt it was a little fast paced for everything but I really enjoyed it.

The whole Lana and Clark thing has been dragging on but she is not dead.

She had to convince everyone that she was dead so that Lex wouldn't hunt her down and kill her.

Why else would you write in a mail truck into the story and not just watch Lana get into the vehicle and have it explode? ;)

Spoiler Alert for Season 7
---------------------------------------------------

Also, she was written into the cast list for season 7 :D

But hey, what do I know? I'm just a regular viewer ;)

RMF

05-18-2007, 12:11 AM

Whoever said "a drink from a fire hydrant" had it pretty close. Only I'm not sure it was water in the hydrant.

The writers don't understand who Superman is or what he stands for or even who the characters on Smallville are. Clark is not heroic here. He tries to get with a married woman and goes to beat up or apparently kill a Luthor -- twice. He does not stop himself, circumstances stop him. Clark was raised by the Kents and knows better, and he has already confronted his rage and overcome it before. Why have the writers repeatedly put him in these types of circumstances this season? It smacks of empty sensationalism and makes Clark look like an idiot.

It's not the only thing that's over the top. It seems evident that Lana has faked her death. She would not leave Lex while there is a threat to Clark's life, so the only reason she is suddenly able to go is because she will soon be "dead", and the Luthors can't take it out on her or Clark. It seems like an incredibly cruel thing to do to Clark, Chloe, Nell, and anyone else who cares about her, though, and it isn't manifest that she and Clark couldn't simply run away together. But that wouldn't pack half the melodrama, would it? :rolleyes:

The whole bit with Lionel, MM, and Jor-el seems slapped together to me. First of all, very little of any kind of relationship between MM and Clark has been shown on screen. We have only the saves in "Static" and "Labyrinth", and MM stayed fairly mysterious in those episodes. We don't know why Clark would trust MM in the exchange with Lionel. MM says he's been watching Clark from afar, because Jor-el wanted to see if Clark would pass some kind of unspecified test, but he came forth to help when Clark was tackling the Phantoms. It seems like some kind of attempt to explain Lionel's contradictory behavior, perhaps engineer away Jor-el's past evil, and squeeze MM into the story.

Martha gets an ugly sendoff. Last episode, she dumped the farm on Clark so she could run off to Washington, and now she tells him he should leave the farm as well. Um, who's going to be running things, then? Is this one last parting flipflop from Martha? And with the kind of person she's been this season -- giving Clark impossibly contradictory advice and snuggling up to the Luthors -- I'd say that if she's as good a senator as she is a mother, the nation is in a world of trouble.

Most painful of all, however, might be what they do to Chloe in this episode. Lois has miraculously become a dedicated journalist overnight, despite being written all season as incompetent comic relief. I mean, this is the woman who at age 23 took a full season to realize that no one would take her seriously if she wrote for the Inquisitor. Chloe, who has bravely, persistently, and incisively pursued the Luthors throughout the series, suddenly and inexplicably turns defeatist, telling Lois that trying to expose the Luthors is too dangerous and proof will always be elusive. She doesn't want what happened to her mother to happen to anyone else. What...the...f***. I don't know who this is, but it is not Chloe. Just a handful of episodes ago, she defied Lex Luthor to his face, and she and Clark vowed to bring him down as soon as they got Lana out of the way. Nothing has happened between then and now to explain the radical change of heart. This is what you call bull**** writing. You don't wreck a well crafted character to promote a poorly crafted one. All you get from that is two ruined characters. But they choose to make it worse. Chloe also gets to swallow her pain while Clark tells her that he's told Lana his secret, and everything is hunky dory. Plus, instead of calling 911 when she finds Lois like we all know she would, she snivels all over her and cries a fake CGI tear to save the day. What a weak, wimpy, dumbed-down way to express her power. A power, by the way, that doesn't need to exist, because Chloe is one character who's never needed a gimmick to keep up with the superpowered or the rich and shameless.

trying2b

05-18-2007, 12:14 AM

I gave it a 10. I loved it.

BWOracle

05-18-2007, 12:15 AM

I gave it a 10/10. Some flaws but it all came together in the end.

To start, great editing on the season overview. Especially, the transition effects between scenes.

Nice scene between Martha and Clark but it could have been longer (why does Veronica Mars get 2 hours and SV only 1?). Martha didn’t tell Clark to sell the farm but only to get away from Lexana (which obviously is no longer an issue).

Low blow from Lionel to Lex when he used the death of Lex’s mom as the reason why Lex didn’t understand women. Plus, Lana should have remembered all the cameras from Sneeze.

Lana looked amazing in the barn scene. I loved how Clark supersped in front of her to stop her leaving. About time he told her his secret but it would have made things a lot less angsty, if he had told her in season 2 or 3. I thought it weird that Lana didn’t react to the name Krypton (like the events in Zod never happened). I like the reference to Freak when Lana says, “You’re still the same Clark Kent.” I think Clark would have stayed close to Lana after the events in Reckoning.

During the KISS, either by accident or intentionally, they seemed to focus on her wedding ring. I’m okay with Clark kissing her. A marriage is a contract. Any contract initiated through fraud isn’t a contract. The marriage would probably be annulled as if it never happened.

I loved Lana’s hand block when Lex reached out to touch her – I thought she was going to kick his a$$ at that moment. “This marriage is over” (about damn time). The whole scene was well acted by both KK and MR. It reminded me of the scenes in Crimson where everything that should have been said in previous episodes finally came out.

I liked the scene between Clark, Lionel, and MM. It sets up a great dynamic for season 7. I like that Jor-El sent MM to watch over Clark. “Your father wanted you to pass the tests without any help” (I guess that was an attempt to explain the contradictory tests Jor-El put Clark through in Seasons 2 and 3). Also, terrific special effect of Luthorcorp among the neon signs (much better than Prototype).

I definitely believe the Lana death was faked (the white truck was a bit too obvious). I think she was running from Lionel just as much as from Lex and hid out in the white truck to get away from him. Plus, the police didn’t say anything about finding Lana’s body.

Uh-oh. Clark is displaying computer skills – end of Chloe? Obviously, Chloe’s not over Clark after Clark said “She kissed me”. Harks back to Hidden when she said it was nice being the only one who knew.

That was a really big knife Lois was stabbed with. It would have gone out the other side. I also liked Lois’ head butt – tough woman. The tear/glowing white light effect was very nicely done. Awesome acting by AM. I wonder if Chloe could cure her mom next season (if she survives).

The kid was really creepy especially the voice (reminded me of Roger Daltrey’s alien assassin in LnC).

I liked John Glover’s performance when he told Clark about Lana (TW’s as well) – he had a tear in his eye when he told Clark – nicely acted.

A little weird was Lionel going to use kryptonite to keep Clark from killing Lex. And, Clark seemed to be waiting for Lionel to arrive before superspeeding into the dam. I guess Lex was a little too freaked to notice Clark superspeeding into him.

Did Lex blow up Lana’s truck or was he just a good actor when Clark told him?

Definitely, the most characters in peril in the history of Smallville. Lana blowed up, Chloe turning blue, Lois under water, Lionel body slammed and under water, Clark super-punched and Lex under arrest. The only 2 characters not in danger were Martha and Shelby.

Finally, the battle between Clark and Bizarro was terrific. Great special effects of the dam equipment being blown to pieces. Great shot of the Clark punch of Bizarro with the shockwave in the water. I really like how they charged at each other at the end and the expression on Bizarro’s face as he flies away and his face changes to stone. Some really good lines too: “How do you like my new look” and “Thanks for sharing.”

On the Negative side:

Too bloody for children but I’m an older adult, so I’m cool with it (especially for a season finale).

A lot of commercials in the first half. I think they were getting them out of the way early so they didn’t have to interrupt the end as much.

sheluvs40

05-18-2007, 12:30 AM

It was kind of anti-climactic compared to other season finales---not to sound like a hater. I absolutely love Smallville, however, I just didn't care for the "lana gets blown up" ruse...unfortunately, she'll probably be back like a bad nightmare. Loved Tom Welling & Michael Rosenbaum's acting in the season finale---they really have added depth to their perspective characters that one doesn't really get from comic books. I still don't get what's up with Lionel; Chloe's "power" wasn't really the over the top thing I was expecting, but, it does work well with the show; I just hope Season 7 begins to address Clark GETTING OVER LANA. LET IT GO CW! PLLLLEEEASSSSE! Lois is around for a REASON!

InLove_with_Chloe

05-18-2007, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by RMF
Most painful of all, however, might be what they do to Chloe in this episode. Lois has miraculously become a dedicated journalist overnight, despite being written all season as incompetent comic relief. I mean, this is the woman who at age 23 took a full season to realize that no one would take her seriously if she wrote for the Inquisitor. Chloe, who has bravely, persistently, and incisively pursued the Luthors throughout the series, suddenly and inexplicably turns defeatist, telling Lois that trying to expose the Luthors is too dangerous and proof will always be elusive. She doesn't want what happened to her mother to happen to anyone else. What...the...f***. I don't know who this is, but it is not Chloe.
Very well said.
Even if Chloe will be back next year, I can't help feeling like her character has died this season.
:(

Angel Interceptor

05-18-2007, 01:18 AM

I've not seen the ep (or any of season six! In the UK we have to wait for the DVD!). But I hate it when they rush the finale, much better to give the lead up episode some of the story to deal with but they don't seem to like doing this!

Hope you guys now do an overall review of season six thread, in comparison with the others so I will know what I am missing (or not).

sphrkilo

05-18-2007, 02:45 AM

I absolutely loved the episode and gave it a 10. Is it my favorite? No, but as everyone else, seemingly, I agree and disagree on a lot of points. Definitely agree about the Lexana "marriage," if you can call it that. Legally, they are still married, but really, who would call the twisted mess they had a real marriage? Not I. And obviously Lana and Clark can't stay together with Lois in his future, but for now I am a diehard Clana shipper. It just doesn't get old for me. Loved Bizarro Clark, MM, the whole wraith/phantom thing (minus the weird, disgusting, spleen ripping action), and I definitely disagree about the whole Chloe advising Lois to leave Lex alone thing. If someone offered me the choice of life or something much worse than prison, I just might have to choose life. Some things are just worth waiting for, and maybe bringing down Lex is one of those things that should be taken care of by much more powerful, influential people. So, I guess so far I'm following the writers on this one from start to finish.

sailfindragon

05-18-2007, 03:30 AM

I must admitt i really thought this episode would be a complete let down, especially with all the spoilers out there. But I have to say that i was completely surprised. I really liked this episode. There was a good balance between every aspect of the plot. Not too much Clana or Lexana, just enough to get the point across. MM was great as well, hopefully he will be back next season. The only faults i had with this episode is it seemed very short and there was not much Chloe in the episode. But that is me. I think the fact we have to wait 4 months until we see the conclusion is a factor. Never mind i will just have to content myself with repeats and looking forward to watching Eureka in a month and Stargate Atlantis in July!
I voted 10, one of the better episodes of season 6.

Acejournalist82

05-18-2007, 04:41 AM

I loved it! We finally got to see Lois in her element. Even though Chloe told her to drop it she did not. True Reporter right there.

tw190

05-18-2007, 04:56 AM

Now I remember why Smallville is my favorite show. :)

Umm, could someone possibly tell me what happened after Clark and Phantom Clark split? Sadly, we lost cable until the first minute of Supernatural so I have no idea what happened in those few minutes before "To Be Continued". My family and I were screaming at the TV... =P

Balauru

05-18-2007, 04:57 AM

To all people who didn't like this episode

It would have been a MEGA HUGE AWSOME episode if we would have not read any of the spoilers given

I remember when watching commencement i wasn't aware at all of what is going to happen...that makes the episodes very,very good

My advice don't watch spoilers anymore and epi will be much better

InLove_with_Chloe

05-18-2007, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by Balauru
My advice don't watch spoilers anymore and epi will be much better
I have to agree.
I remember enjoying the early epis much more, when I was not reading any spoilers.

Krypton935

05-18-2007, 05:05 AM

10!!!! Holy Krypton!!!! That was frickin amazing!!! I loved it! (well parts of it) I didn't like the sad parts. But That ep was soo intense and action packed I could not keep still. I was at a friend's house but my mom dad and sister watched it at our house. It was sooooo awesome I just could not believe it.

smallvilleobsessor17

05-18-2007, 05:19 AM

I loved this episode! I gave it a 10. It wasn't that action packed, but it was still an amazing episode.

thmallville

05-18-2007, 05:27 AM

It was pretty funny, and THERE WAS CLANA!! Overall, very entertaining and intersting.

ARTBUNKER

05-18-2007, 05:51 AM

GREAT EPISODE.. I wish this season was a little longer, but it was a great episode overall. I still think the LEX ARMY device wasnt explored enough though. I wish Clohe didnt die. Dont get me wrong, Im a die hard Clois fan all the way. But damn to just kill Chloe like that was just wrong. Have her powers get out of hand, have her somehow have to leave Earth and go to the stars but to just kill her was just wrong.
Now for all the folks who think Lois became a journalist overnight, well I dont call 22 episodes overnight .
The whole season we saw obvious signs of her interest in journalism. Prototype was just the final straw that pushes her to that destiny.
Now back to Phantom. To me it was a rushed episode overall. It would ahve been better if they were albe to show it over a two hour period. Too much stuff was brought out too fast. That being said, the Bazzaro creation scene at the last 5 minutes saved the episode for me that was great. A great plot twist I didnt see comming .
Lana faking her death was too obvious. Her argument with Lex and her saying the only way I can get away from you is if I was dead was too much of a givaway.
Martha being written out of the show as a senator was at least merciful on the writters part. At least they didnt kill her .
Martian Manhunter and Lional together fighting for good. Well theres another plot twist they threw at me nice .
Overall it was a good show just too much crammed in a 1 hour episode i give it a 8 out of ten the whole season was better than season 5..

Chloe>All

05-18-2007, 06:03 AM

I gave it an 8.

As far as cliffhangers go, it definitely left me on the edge of my seat. Bizarro's face change at the end was a nice touch, if a little cheesy. I sincerely hope Chloe's not dead. The Clana was a nuisance, but I understand that most of it was necessary to further the storyline.

Saber

05-18-2007, 06:08 AM

I gave it an 8 for the entertainment value, I had two pet peeves, one confused moment and a thumb up for ingenuity.

1. Having Lionel as Jor-el’s emissary was uncreative for the character. I liked it better when Lionel was in the running to boot the devil out of a job. The excitement that Lionel and Lex could’ve caused would have made a great season six (a missed opportunity).

2. I wish Annette’s departure was handled with higher regard, I mean really she was there from the beginning and all she got was a good bye, a closed door and tearless son.
Damn, that was rude.

I’m confused why they made Bizarro brainy, it was against the grain on that one. I guess there is going to be at least one thread devoted to getting a new acronym for mirror image Clark because a BDA he was not.

Now this I liked, it could be Lana, Chloe or Lionel that got killed. I have to hand it to the TPTB, it’s a good strategy. Leave it as a possible three way death cliffhanger, then just sit back, and wait on who the fans complain about the most that they will miss. Then decide the fate of one of those three by a tally because all three had a way out of their predetermine doom. They will have all summer to hype it up and keep everyone tuned. Good one!

I thought this season finale was better than the whole season.

thehenry89

05-18-2007, 06:55 AM

it was an above average episode 8 out of 10

jazel

05-18-2007, 07:13 AM

the special effects were pretty cool, lol
Lex is pretty dumb, to think he can contain, the Phantom.:p

DeesRyche

05-18-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Liriel
I can't agree with that. I despise Clana. But she was forced into it - agreed only under threat of death to someone she cared about. It wasn't even a legitimate marriage to begin with - it can't be if it isn't willingly entered into by both parties.

I guess that just means all the time she had to think it over, even after telling Lex she still loved Clark please....talk about lame plot devices.

Lana had plenty of time to walk free prior to the actual wedding date but no she had to know the TRUTH first (so very typical of our selfless little Lana) Only then did she wrote her "dear John" letter...but that's right I am watching a soap opera so we had to build it up that way.

Puh-Leeze!

That aside I gave it an 8. Full of action.

The good:

(Despite not caring much for Clana) I was glad he finally told her as this does help line the story up a bit with mythos.
Finally getting to see what Lionel's been doing.
Martha encouraging Clark to move beyond SV (dare to dream)
Lois doing her thing.

The funny:

The scene near the end with Clex talking over Lana's death. For a second I thought they were going to break down and cry together.

The bad:
The sappy Clana and the stupid crying over her. (Sorry it's hard to take serioulsy anymore since I know CK/SM is married to Lois Lane).
The exorcism in the beginning (now we have had vampires, exorcisms, plants that can kill, the gore fest in Static....I'm sorry was I wathcing SN or SV sometimes it's hard to tell).

The OK:

The bizarro Clark.

The worst:

The tears (I could just see all Chloisers swooning). But I thought it was lame.

Everyone repeat after me: Chloe is Chloe is...Lois is Lois is Lois.

JMO!

kkjdt

05-18-2007, 07:16 AM

That there was no Chlark kiss

jazel

05-18-2007, 07:18 AM

thank God, for small mercies.....lol

kryptonaidxh

05-18-2007, 07:22 AM

:) The best: Lois and Chloe scene, Lex revealing as the great villian

The worst: the Cklana again!:rolleyes: , Oh for Christ sake, whe do the writters and producers are goint to stop toururing us with the Cklana tragedy?!, I´m really sick, I hope Lana is really dead because I don´t want to see her ever again!:p :)

jazel

05-18-2007, 07:25 AM

She doesn't have to be dead, as long as she stays AWAY....LOL

loistickyfingerz

05-18-2007, 07:35 AM

Wow! I thought it was fantastic! I was so pumped afterward! Best Season finale ever!

Bizzaro Clark! What a bunch of lyers TPTB are. Well, I guess I avoid spoilers for a reason. It was soooo cool, though!

For once, all the characters in mortal peril was believable, not laughable. Even though it was sooo obvious Lana didn't die, it was still better than last year's pathetic attempt at everyone being in danger.

I love these writers. They have always been my favorites.

svfan50

05-18-2007, 07:40 AM

I loved the episode!!! It was kool!!! though I was disappointed that there wasn't any Chlark kiss this season...yet...the producers finally gave in somehope by showing Chloe's reaction...throughout the season they have been trying to show and say tht Chloe is over Clark and is in love with Jimmy!!!! Atleast at last they gave us a hint and showed us..NOT YET!!!!!!

I also think that the Bizaaro scene was kool but it could have been done nicer and more exciting!!!!Loved seeing Tom as a double and bad ass..!!! (not Kal-el)

darkone

05-18-2007, 07:53 AM

IMO Commencement can never be topped as a season finale.Atleast not in the cliffhanger department.There are 3 factors in the finale I abolutely loved-the Clana,the Lexana and the Clark/Bizarro fight.I actually liked the creepy phantom stuff but why everything wrapped up again in the finale?Why so much Green Arrow instead of exploring whats up with the phantoms?I understand that Chloe/Lois fans are unhappy with the finale going but you have to keep in mind Chloe's story started with Episode 15,Lois story started with Episode 20,Clexana is there from Episode 1 S1 and since Al/Miles decided to do the Lexana breakup in the finale it was clear it will revolve around them.I think even for non shippers it was entertaining and alot better than Vessel last season.JMHO

skywalker28

05-18-2007, 08:03 AM

Did anyone else find it funny that MM told Clark that his crystal isn't powerful enough to beat the phantom and Clark tried to use it anyway?

Liked:
-Clark finally telling Lana his secret
-How they created Bizarro Clark
-Fight between Bizarro Clark and Clark
-MM finally telling Clark who he is
-Lana blowing up (despite it being obvious that she faked it)
-Finally knowing where Lionel stands
-Martha's final scene with Clark (I hate that she is leaving, I just thought it was a nice scene)
-Chloe and Lois scene (everything except the "Tear of Death")
-Lex throwing the scientist to the phantom kid to save himself
-Lex smacking Lana

Didn't Like:
-Chloe's "Tear of Death" (I have a feeling that she might be in a coma instead of dead, however this could be wishful thinking also.)
-Lana's death being obviously fake

All in all, I thought that was a great season finale, second only to the S3 finale. I'm really excited for next season.

ClarksGal

05-18-2007, 08:51 AM

I had very low expectations for this episode. And maybe that's why I liked it so much.

- I thought that Clark effectively balanced his feelings for Lana with the other things that he had to do. He was excited about telling her the truth, but still told Chloe he'll be on cloud 99 after he deals with the last phantom. Yes, he went to confront Lex, but since Lex was trying to capture the phantom too, it wasn't a stretch to think that finding Lex would lead Clark to the phantom

- Lana faked her own death, and is framing Lex for it. I am sure of it. What I am interested in is Clark's reaction when he finds that out. I mean, Lex deserves it, but it's still not right. This, not Lana's death is what I think will be the end of Clana. Lana has now become kind of like Alicia...Clark may understand why she does the things she does, but can't condone them or be a part of them. That's my theory anyway. There has to be something that makes them not work now that Lana knows the secret. Cuz we know that Clark will not end up with her.

- Lionel working with MM, and MM being around in Clark's past. I thought they did a decent job of explaining where MM has been, if he's been in Clark's life all along. I hope this gets explored more in Season 7.

- Loved Clark working with Chloe in the DP!!!!

- Lana finally knows everything. *Sigh of six years of relief* And while I'm sad to see Martha go, I think that someone had to or else everyone in the show would know Clark's secret. Maybe she'll make a cameo here and there.

- Bizarro FLEW!! And I loved the change in his face at the end of the epi.

- Chloe's healing tears. Well, they weren't green! This was much better done than I was expecting. Chloe having a healing power is very worthy of her character, in my opinion. It's kind of like she has the power of love. :) Yes, I wish she didn't have to cry. But to me that just means that she can't conjure up this power all the time, that it will be reserved for special occasions.

I agree that it went too fast and with too many commercials. But I am interested to see how it ends, which means I'll be tuning in for Season 7.

LoisL

05-18-2007, 10:07 AM

It was good but I feel like I'll like it better when I watch the whole season over again on DVD. I gave it a 9 though. This was my first season watching "live" and all the breaks and spoilers take their toll.

As for the episode highlights:
--Clark using a computer!
--Lionel finally officially "an emissary for Jor-El"
--Martian Manhunter talks
--Lois was smart about the last clue which tied in cutely with HER clue to the DP in SR
--Chlo-Lo coming full circle w/us seeing how Chloe would react to a Lois death after Lois was introduced in S4 reacting to Chloe's
--Clark's Kryptonian confession. Clana left me cold (which surprised me) but I liked how Clark described the classic origin tale "i come from a planet called krypton, my parents sent me to earth to save my life, as the planet was destroyed" or whatever he said
--Lex being evil re: child hosting Phantom etc
--LOVED Martha's goodbye speech to Clark. It had to be said re: the farm and it was a secret and I felt for Clark's position. Overall well-acted and a small oldfashioned moment before the action began.

What I didn't like:
--Lexana showdown. It didn't work for me
--Clark/Clark fight. Gave me "Visage" flashbacks. The face change at the end was very cool but what went before it was a mite flat to me.

F-Stop Blues

05-18-2007, 10:11 AM

I liked it, I thought it was better than Vessel.

Promise

05-18-2007, 10:20 AM

Well I enjoyed most post. As far as all this "moral" talk, people, just enjoy the show. But I do thank the ones that put energy into defending Clark's morals or the whole marriage thing. hi Mdragon.(sorry didn't want to mis-spell your name) = )

Anyways, I loved it. I feel the Clana will be more explored in S7, because yes she knows, but for once, Clana will be angst free. Let them love each other and let them talk more in depth about the secret, etc.

So Lionel is a good guy. MM, awesome. Chloe, well I still believe she is the one that will die later on in S7. I still look at Lois as an extra, so I really don't count her in Smallville. Sorry, people talk about mythos, well TPTB killed that by bringing Lois in early. She doesn't belong in Smallville, sorry. Clana is the true relationship. TW and KK brought them(Clark and Lana) to life.

But back on the Finale. Loved Bizzaro, love seeing Lex become the villian he is.

As far as Martha, since she won't be here to say goodbye when Clark knows he has to leave to prepare for his training, I think Lana will take that spot now, hopefully that's when we get the deep Clana talk.

I loved the episode, everything was rushed yes, but it was still good to get some answers answered.

GooN

05-18-2007, 10:32 AM

very good.

The episode before this didnt make me the most optimistic on how this would go but im glad it turned out good.....

i actually thought the scenes with Lana were very good, especially with Lex....knew either her/chloe or lionel would go....and it was her but who did it? probably lionel...

The fight scene i was just hoping would be watchable, because ive never thought the fight scenes in this show were its speciality...b ut it turned out ok i guess, the face change in the end i wanna know what thats all about.....i thought the phantom would host clark's body, but stole his DNA or something? interesting.

Martian manhunter was a nice addition to the show, he didnt have a huge role but i have a feeling he will play a part in killing that phantom......
the show did wrap up most loose ends which is what im happy about. and it had a good flow to it. The episodes you watch and think it finishes too quickly, are the better episodes. i give this one a 9.

hope season 7 is as good as the later half of this season....and smallville should come to an end after 7 i think. hope.

see you when it returns people...

hemmy

05-18-2007, 10:33 AM

I gave it a 9 just because I don't think perfection is possible in anything.

niki

05-18-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ClarksGal
I had very low expectations for this episode. And maybe that's why I liked it so much.

- I thought that Clark effectively balanced his feelings for Lana with the other things that he had to do. He was excited about telling her the truth, but still told Chloe he'll be on cloud 99 after he deals with the last phantom. Yes, he went to confront Lex, but since Lex was trying to capture the phantom too, it wasn't a stretch to think that finding Lex would lead Clark to the phantom

- Lana faked her own death, and is framing Lex for it. I am sure of it. What I am interested in is Clark's reaction when he finds that out. I mean, Lex deserves it, but it's still not right. This, not Lana's death is what I think will be the end of Clana. Lana has now become kind of like Alicia...Clark may understand why she does the things she does, but can't condone them or be a part of them. That's my theory anyway. There has to be something that makes them not work now that Lana knows the secret. Cuz we know that Clark will not end up with her.

- Lionel working with MM, and MM being around in Clark's past. I thought they did a decent job of explaining where MM has been, if he's been in Clark's life all along. I hope this gets explored more in Season 7.

- Loved Clark working with Chloe in the DP!!!!

- Lana finally knows everything. *Sigh of six years of relief* And while I'm sad to see Martha go, I think that someone had to or else everyone in the show would know Clark's secret. Maybe she'll make a cameo here and there.

- Bizarro FLEW!! And I loved the change in his face at the end of the epi.

- Chloe's healing tears. Well, they weren't green! This was much better done than I was expecting. Chloe having a healing power is very worthy of her character, in my opinion. It's kind of like she has the power of love. :) Yes, I wish she didn't have to cry. But to me that just means that she can't conjure up this power all the time, that it will be reserved for special occasions.

I agree that it went too fast and with too many commercials. But I am interested to see how it ends, which means I'll be tuning in for Season 7.

I agree with basically everything you just said, haha.
I didn't go in with many expectations and I didn't look at any spoilers or anything, so I was definitely satisfied! :)

It was quite rushed, but they loaded in a LOT of action and a lot of truth finally being told that made me very happy. The only thing I saw prior was the trailer and I thought it would just be one major Clark-Lana-Lex fest, but I was so pumped to see Clark saying he'll be on cloud 99 after he deals with the Phantom.

And wooow ... he looks awesome. Bizarro as a bad-looking Clark, I'm feeling it. I'm definitely looking forward to the season premiere! :)

superpal1

05-18-2007, 11:17 AM

Gave the episode an 8. I don't think that Chloe would have risked entering the damn without calling Clark. Also, it was just to convenient how the lock was set on the gate, my 300 pound grandma could have made it through.

owensj1

05-18-2007, 11:28 AM

I thought last nights finale was great. I gave it a 10

Clana:
Although I do not consider my self a Clana fan I found Clark's full disclosure very satisfying. After six years I really needed to see that scene. Ever since Reckoning I have been pretty bummed out by Smallville. I didn't like the way that TBTB handled the Clana storyline in Reckoning and it kind of soured me on the show. Last night definitely pulled me back in.

The wrap up of Lionel's involvement in everything was well handled too. I like that MM pointed out the Lionel is an emissary of Jor-el. For some reason Clark keeps forgetting that Lionel and Jor-el are somehow connected. He needed to understand this.
Although it has never been explored on the show I think that it would be interesting if Lionel's obsession with Martha was really Jor-el's obsession. Jor-el certainly was fixated with Jonathan Kent. Ultimately his only real obsession is Clark but having Jor-el fixated on the two people he chose to raise his son would be a nice supporting story.

The fight scenes were spectacular. Man -- that last scene of the two Clarks exploding out of the dam was outrageous. I hope next seasons premiere has more fighting and frankly I am a sucker for the bad Clark stuff. Put Welling in some black outfit and allow him to stop acting like a boy scout and I'm there.

For me the single greatest event of the night was the reveal of Chloe's power. I have always been pro Chloe and having tears that bring people back to life is an outstanding super power for her. The special effects were perfect. As the tear dropped and the white light increased there was a real sense of the supernatural. Allison Mack really deserves this turn of events. I wonder sometimes if Smallville would have made it this long without her. She adds so much subtext to Chloe and yet manages to keep her scenes focused on Clark. She is extraordinary.

One crappy event:
How Lionel Luthor could not have seen through the Lana fake death is beyond me. I mean come on -- that stupid ice cream truck or whatever it was goes by right as Lana is running to the car and then the car blows up. Lionel did not get to where he is by being that gullible. What were they thinking.

Nitpicking:
I think that they let Lex off easy in his scene with Lana also. After he give her the 'I only love you' BS Lana, instead of saying that he was incapable of love, should have pointed out that he loves only power. When the scene was over I kind of felt sorry Lex yuck. Another cool development would have been a Lana come back to Lex's accusation about Clark being the biggest liar of all -- Oh honey you are the biggest liar of all and I should know because I spy on you all the time. Anyway evil Lana was fun while it lasted.

Rainchyld

05-18-2007, 11:59 AM

I gave it a 10. I thought the finale was fantastic. It reminds me of Star Trek: TNG because on that show, it just kept getting better and better as the show went on and thats how I feel about Smallville too.

I agree with everyone who says Lana isn't dead. She faked it. The way she confronted Lex made me happy too. :P It was about time. I really did like Lana's transformation into becoming a Luthor though. It was really cool to see her dark side, hehe.

I used to be a HUGE Clana fan but then she ended up with Lex and I realized, after sooooo many years of her being such a rotten person to Clark, he deserves better. :P I still feel kinda happy when things seem to finally go right for Clana but at the same time, I also get a sense of satisfaction when bad things are happening to Lana because what goes around comes around. :P Maybe Clark will realize that after years of fighting to be with Lana, only for her to treat him like crap, love just isn't enough anymore and that will be what finally ends them forever. :P

I think Chloe on the other hand is actually dead. Sort of. A friend of mine suggested that Chloe will live on in Lois... which would make perfect sense and help lead to the Clark/Lois part of the storyline. As it stands now, the Lois character is annoying. I really don't like her at all. And obviously Chloe still loves Clark. They made that VERY clear in the scene when Clark told her that he told Lana his secret and that Lana's reaction was to kiss him. So, if Chloe 'lives on' in Lois, after saving her with her ability, it would explain a change in Lois' character and would definitely make sense in helping bring Lois and Clark together.

For me the single greatest event of the night was the reveal of Chloe's power. I have always been pro Chloe and having tears that bring people back to life is an outstanding super power for her. The special effects were perfect. As the tear dropped and the white light increased there was a real sense of the supernatural. Allison Mack really deserves this turn of events. I wonder sometimes if Smallville would have made it this long without her. She adds so much subtext to Chloe and yet manages to keep her scenes focused on Clark. She is extraordinary.

I agree. I used to really dislike Chloe in the beginning because she was just so whiney when it came to Clark and Lana but over the years, she's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that she's worthy of being trustworthy and such a close friend to Clark. Chloe, as a character, has grown so much, and Allison Mack is an incredibly gifted actress for the way she portrays Chloe. I just hope that last night's events weren't really the death of Chloe... even though, I tend to think they were. :|

Overall, I thought this was a great episode. I was a little worried because some of the episodes were starting to bore me a tad bit (though nothing significant) but I stick to my feeling that the season finale's are getting better and more intense each and every time. I can't wait til the season premiere!!

Jlvsclrk

05-18-2007, 11:59 AM

A 10 for me. Not the 10++ of my absolute favorite episodes, but a really good episode I'll want to watch again and again, whose positives far outweigh the negatives.

The scene between Lexana really worked for me: just seeing the oozing mess that their relationship devolved into, based as it was on anger at Clark, false assumptions and endless deceit. Lex honestly feels hard done by, which is the essence of his villainy: he so lacks a moral compass he literally cannot understand the difference between Clark's type of lies and his own. No, I didn't like that he slapped her, but she deliberately provoked him as hard as she could. I believe she set up her "murder" and has framed Lex for it so she can get away, which as others point out is incredibly cruel to Clark and all the others who care for her, but she really believes Lionel's threat so in her head its the only way.

I still think something's up with Lionel and Jor-El, because honestly his/their methods are SO unsavoury. Justifying his blackmail of Lana by saying he needed her as a spy on Lex: WTF? You put her life in mortal danger - that's not something you can justify so easily, especially considering you have so many other spies. Was the information Lana collected really all that important? Nope.

Anyone else think the writers took a few extra steps to tone down the dumb part of the BDA this epi? Obviously the scene with Chloe at the planet: she did the hack but he obviously knew what to do next (not to mention that the police report he read would have been in french - i guarantee it.) Also, I think I'm right in assuming that Clark found Lex by FOLLOWING Lionel to the lab.

favorite line since it bodes so well for the season to come: i will be [on cloud 9] AFTER i deal with the phantom. Yes! Priorities!!

Another thing I loved: as angry as Clark was with Lex, he was still listening and noticed that Lex seemed genuinely shocked by the revelation that Lana was dead. And the minute the phantom showed up, Lexana was pushed to the background. Priorities!!!

CallMeClark

05-18-2007, 12:35 PM

I really don't think Clark helped Lana...

I hated the episode.

I would have liked it a lot more if they would have went with the phantom body-snatcher differently. Smallville rarely pulls out intestines and such and satanic speaking little boys. That was nasty and tacky. It was my least favorite finale.

All about Clark

05-18-2007, 01:04 PM

I gave it a 10, although it's not my favorite eppy. So many good things about this ep. The premiere should be interesting, I'm having trouble coming up with how Bizarro Clark is rid of.

My favorite moments were Chlark working laptop to laptop and Lana learning Clark's secret and showing him it was OK. I also liked Lionel getting his hands dirty to put greenK on Bizarro and his reaction to the 2 Clarks.

MidgardDragon

05-18-2007, 01:06 PM

Also, I think I'm right in assuming that Clark found Lex by FOLLOWING Lionel to the lab.

That's exactly what happened. In that scene where Lionel's car pulls up, once it goes to the close up and shows the car turning, you can see Clark in the background at the other side of the bridge (dam?). Then he superspeeds past the car into the door.

monel49

05-18-2007, 01:14 PM

Excellent episode. 10/10. Really makes up for Noir. Wish it could have been two hours. For those who didn't like it, nearly 85% of viewers so far have given it a 7 or better. That's great! Well acted and well filmed. Looking forward to September. Hope Martha gets to come back for a few cameos--that was an especially great scene.

Fly by guy

05-18-2007, 01:28 PM

I really like the eppy except for the opening possession scene. What I can't figure out if how Everyone knew where to find Lex's lab, Clark, Lionel, Chloe, Lois, and the cops. If they knew he was there why didn't someone stop the experiments? By the time Bizzaro appeared there were enough folks to have a kegger.

Sorry to see Martha go. It was a lame ending for someone who has spent a series baking. At least the MB will return! Hooray.

MidgardDragon

05-18-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Fly by guy
I really like the eppy except for the opening possession scene. What I can't figure out if how Everyone knew where to find Lex's lab, Clark, Lionel, Chloe, Lois, and the cops. If they knew he was there why didn't someone stop the experiments? By the time Bizzaro appeared there were enough folks to have a kegger.

Sorry to see Martha go. It was a lame ending for someone who has spent a series baking. At least the MB will return! Hooray.

Well, here are a few explanations to ease your mind.

Lionel knew because Lana was spying for him.

Clark knew because he followed Lionel's car there (watch the scene where he turns in closely, you can see him at the other end of the bridge/dam).

Lois knew because she found those coordinates and used the GPS on her phone to find it.

Chloe knew because she got that call from Lois and most likely had one of those "see where your friends are" GPS type things that they do on phones like Boost Mobile.

The cops knew because...well we don't know yet. My best guess Lana or whoever helped her fake her death called them to tip them off. I'm guessing putting Lex away was part of her plan in faking her death. She's obviously forgotten how easy it is for Luthor's to get out of jail since Season 4. :P

Acejournalist82

05-18-2007, 03:22 PM

This was the best episode this year!

superman2001

05-18-2007, 03:29 PM

I thought The Episode, was Fantastic, I really did Enjoy watching it, I thought it was great to see Martain Manhunter, again, and I also liked The Fight between Clark, and Bizarro, that was a great Fight, My Favorite Scene, in The Episode, is when Lex got Arrested, I wonder what is going to happen to Him, Next Season, I can't wait to find out, I can't wait to see The New Season, it is going to be great.

kavalier

05-18-2007, 04:25 PM

Well I have been watching Smallville as it comes on since Season 4. After quickly watching through seasons 1-3, I actually found season 4 to be a disappointment compared to the quality of the first three seasons. Not the best season to start with for sure.

But then "Commencement" happened, and a few months later the amazing premiere of Season 5 where Clark discovers the Fortress of Solitude. I knew from the first few moments of "Arrival" that Smallville had recaptured its spark and that I was in for a good season. I was not let down. Season 5 was incredible and I knew without a doubt by the end of it that it was by far the best season of the show.

I honestly was skeptical that Season 6 could top it. I wasnt as excited about the spoilers, and with the exception of the fantastic premiere "Zod", the first couple of episodes seemed a bit inconsequential. I remember Season 5 starting off with a bang where the first few episodes were all monumental (Clark loses his powers, then dies, then gets them back, and then jumps into outer space to stop a nuclear missile, THATS SMALLVILLE!) But Season Six didnt start this way. We got a decent superpower discovery episode, and then a so-so episode about a plant woman. I was starting to worry.

But my worries were misfounded. Although it took a few episodes to catch its stride (I think "Arrow" is when it really took off) Season Six, in every way, surpassed Season 5 as my favorite season. It has made me truly proud to be a Smallville fan.

After watching the finale "Phantom" last night, I couldnt be more pleased. What I loved about this finale is that it didnt feel like a bunch of tagged on action and melodrama to make the end of the season cool. No, this finale was built up to. The writers have used almost 100% of the episodes of this season to do major character and plot development, so that by the time we watched "Phantom" it was merely the pay off of an incredibly well delivered season.

I also want to note that two things, that are only subtly noticed, seem to have improved so much overtime: the cinematography and the music. Pay close attention to the scene in Phantom where Clark tells Lana everything about his identity. That scene was remarkably well filmed and well lit. And also pay attention to the scene when Lionel tells Clark that Lana has died. Listen to the music during that scene, particularly when Clark turns around and Lionel puts his hand on Clark's shoulder. That is powerful stuff! Mark Snow is just so dang good.

So yeah, loved the episode. Loved that they introduced Bizarro. LOVE what they are doing with Martian Manhunter. Cannot wait until Season 7. Bang up job!

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 05:12 PM

My vote is 15!!!!!!!!!!!! or...10!!! Maybe 9 1/2, if it were possible, but Really...Oh. My. gOD!!!!!!!!!! I thought it was amazing how they tied it all together...at least, for ME. The only complaint I have is with Chloe's 'power'. I'd read somewhere that it might have something to do with HEALING, but I expected it to work in some way like when Jonathan healed Clark when he was stabbed with that Kryptonian knife by that Kawatchie tribesman who thought he was 'Naman'. I was almost amused to see that she had 'healing Tears'. I guess they don't work unless she is under major duress about someone she loves...or something like that? In the final scene of "Freak" she cried on Clark's hand and nothing happened, but maybe that's because he's Kryptonian. Anyway, I thought that "Phantom" had lots of unexpected surprises and twists that were exciting to see. My heart was racing all through this episode. I even got sucked right into the "Clana". Of course, I think that Lana planned her disappearance by hopping on that milk truck as it passed by...right on schedule. Maybe? I also think that she probably needed some Extra time to allow her vocal chords to heal from what seems to be Chronic Laryngitis. She whispers ALL THE TIME now! I know that she must've been sick during the filming of "Trespass", because she was so hoarse she could hardly get her lines out. If she should return sometime during the 7th season, I'm betting she'll have a regular speaking voice again by then. I almost forgot to mention LOIS. She ROCKED! Her feet are now firmly planted on the path to becoming "Mad Dog Lane", and that's even after enduring staring death full in the face yet again. She's angry and driven to seek justice now. She wants to be a serious reporter and respected for the truth she brings to light in her stories...just like Chloe does. She's on her way to becoming that fearless reporter of reknown and I predict that she'll go after a job at the Daily Planet next year, especially after the way she was ridiculed about being a reporter for the Inquisitor during & after the Sen. Burke and Wes Keenan incident. After I watched it for the first time, I kinda felt like I was in shock. I have to say it again, It Was AWESOME!!!!
I just finished watching 'Phantom' for the 4th time, and it's still a very satisfying episode. It ranks up there among My Top Three episodes of Season Six. Four months seems like a very long time to wait to see what happens next. For my tastes, Smallville is still very much a series well worth my enthusiastic and loyal devotion. :cool: :D

MidgardDragon

05-18-2007, 05:21 PM

skully

05-18-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Imzadia
My vote is 15!!!!!!!!!!!! or...10!!! Maybe 9 1/2, if it were possible, but Really...Oh. My. gOD!!!!!!!!!! I thought it was amazing how they tied it all together...at least, for ME. The only complaint I have is with Chloe's 'power'. I'd read somewhere that it might have something to do with HEALING, but I expected it to work in some way like when Jonathan healed Clark when he was stabbed with that Kryptonian knife by that Kawatchie tribesman who thought he was 'Naman'. I was almost amused to see that she had 'healing Tears'. I guess they don't work unless she is under major duress about someone she loves...or something like that? In the final scene of "Freak" she cried on Clark's hand and nothing happened, but maybe that's because he's Kryptonian. Anyway, I thought that "Phantom" had lots of unexpected surprises and twists that were exciting to see. My heart was racing all through this episode. I even got sucked right into the "Clana". Of course, I think that Lana planned her disappearance by hopping on that milk truck as it passed by...right on schedule. Maybe? I also think that she probably needed some Extra time to allow her vocal chords to heal from what seems to be Chronic Laryngitis. She whispers ALL THE TIME now! I know that she must've been sick during the filming of "Trespass", because she was so hoarse she could hardly get her lines out. If she should return sometime during the 7th season, I'm betting she'll have a regular speaking voice again by then. I almost forgot to mention LOIS. She ROCKED! Her feet are now firmly planted on the path to becoming "Mad Dog Lane", and that's even after enduring staring death full in the face yet again. She's angry and driven to seek justice now. She wants to be a serious reporter and respected for the truth she brings to light in her stories...just like Chloe does. She's on her way to becoming that fearless reporter of reknown and I predict that she'll go after a job at the Daily Planet next year, especially after the way she was ridiculed about being a reporter for the Inquisitor during & after the Sen. Burke and Wes Keenan incident. After I watched it for the first time, I kinda felt like I was in shock. I have to say it again, It Was AWESOME!!!!
I just finished watching 'Phantom' for the 4th time, and it's still a very satisfying episode. It ranks up there among My Top Three episodes of Season Six. Four months seems like a very long time to wait to see what happens next. For my tastes, Smallville is still very much a series well worth my enthusiastic and loyal devotion. :cool: :D I agree entirely with this assessment. I have only just watched the epi, and my heart is still pumping hard.

To each their own, but I'm amazed that "fans" could say this was a bad episode. It was freneticly paced, it neatly tied up (not too rushed as far as I was concerned) all the plot lines for the season, it had the obligatory cliffhangers, the acting was great (particularly MR), Lana got slapped (!!!), we saw a great battle sequence between Clark (and there was plenty of our fave Kryptonian in this epi) and Bizarro, and then we saw the crystalline facial-feature-transformation of Bizarro. What an awesome edge-of-your-seat episode.

TW should have some fun with the duel CK/Bizarro roles in S7. I guess all the spoilers took a little gloss away. We all knew about the healing tear, and the Lana "death" but it was all very well put together IMHO. 9.5

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by kavalier
Well I have been watching Smallville as it comes on since Season 4. After quickly watching through seasons 1-3, I actually found season 4 to be a disappointment compared to the quality of the first three seasons. Not the best season to start with for sure.

But then "Commencement" happened, and a few months later the amazing premiere of Season 5 where Clark discovers the Fortress of Solitude. I knew from the first few moments of "Arrival" that Smallville had recaptured its spark and that I was in for a good season. I was not let down. Season 5 was incredible and I knew without a doubt by the end of it that it was by far the best season of the show.

I honestly was skeptical that Season 6 could top it. I wasnt as excited about the spoilers, and with the exception of the fantastic premiere "Zod", the first couple of episodes seemed a bit inconsequential. I remember Season 5 starting off with a bang where the first few episodes were all monumental (Clark loses his powers, then dies, then gets them back, and then jumps into outer space to stop a nuclear missile, THATS SMALLVILLE!) But Season Six didnt start this way. We got a decent superpower discovery episode, and then a so-so episode about a plant woman. I was starting to worry.

******But my worries were misfounded. Although it took a few episodes to catch its stride (I think "Arrow" is when it really took off) Season Six, in every way, surpassed Season 5 as my favorite season. It has made me truly proud to be a Smallville fan.

After watching the finale "Phantom" last night, I couldnt be more pleased. What I loved about this finale is that it didnt feel like a bunch of tagged on action and melodrama to make the end of the season cool. No, this finale was built up to. The writers have used almost 100% of the episodes of this season to do major character and plot development, so that by the time we watched "Phantom" it was merely the pay off of an incredibly well delivered season.

I also want to note that two things, that are only subtly noticed, seem to have improved so much overtime: the cinematography and the music. Pay close attention to the scene in Phantom where Clark tells Lana everything about his identity. That scene was remarkably well filmed and well lit. And also pay attention to the scene when Lionel tells Clark that Lana has died. Listen to the music during that scene, particularly when Clark turns around and Lionel puts his hand on Clark's shoulder. That is powerful stuff! Mark Snow is just so dang good.

So yeah, loved the episode. Loved that they introduced Bizarro. LOVE what they are doing with Martian Manhunter. Cannot wait until Season 7. Bang up job! ******* :cool:

:cool: :p What you said here clarifies so much about Smallville's Season Six. It does my Smallville Soul so much good to hear fans like you praise what was offered to us as a REinterpreted Superman/Clark Kent story. Hoping to understand what or where they were trying to take us has been an annual season-long journey for me, especially this season. Every episode wasn't great, ...especially (Ex. "Whither", "Static", "Subterranean") but I could find Some point it had made in ALL of them to move the story forward. I, too, agree that S6 hit its stride in "Arrow". Smallville has ALWAYS shown us something NEW, because in all of its 60+ years of Superman/CK mythology, we had NEVER been given so many DETAILS as to exactly how the alien baby sent to earth by his parents to escape death and who developed Superpowers because of Our Yellow Sun followed the path that made him become Superman. I'm happily going along for this New Adventure. I'm believeing that it will all end positively and will be fondly remembered by those of us who appreciated its contribution toward enriching the Superman Legend. I say WELL DONE! :cool: I AM HAPPY!! :rotfl:

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by WhitneyFordmanFanatic
I put an 8, and the only reason I didn't give it a perfect ten was because of the Clana stuff. Ugh. Lana gives Clark a kiss after he tells her he's an alien. There. That's the reaction she has to his secret. Now she should be dead... I'm just worried that she actually survived by jumping on that truck that was moving past Lionel instead of actually getting in the car. That was so predictable, that my dad even said that's what happened. So sad.

Anyway, everything else was perfect. I absolutely loved the scene between J'onn, Lionel, and Clark. Beautiful story telling. The only thing it was missing was J'onn explaination of Dr. Virgil Swann intercepting transmissions that were supposed to only be for J'onn's viewing pleasure. I knew that Lionel hadn't turned back into a bad guy. I had a feeling all along, even when Lionel threatened to kill Clark, I knew there was more to it, because after the changes Lionel had gone threw in Season 5, there was no way that he'd revert back. Lionel and J'onn make a really good team, just like Clark and Chloe do. Simply, hands down, best scene of the episode.

Martha's final scene on Smallville, unless she has guest appearances in Season 7, was a bit emotional, but I think there should've been more to it then that. I liked that she was looking at a picture of Jonathan and Clark when he was a kid, but it just wasn't a long enough scene. I really think that the episode should've been 90 minutes long like Commencement was back in Season 4. There was more that could've been done, and it would've allowed time to give her a better send off.

I guess I'm alright with Chloe's meteor ability, but it's kinda weak considering the character we're talking about. I knew the healing tears was going to be her ability about a week ago. Sometimes Wikipedia does actually give accurate information. I think my earlier idea of her having Lazarus Effect abilities would've been cooler, but that's just me.

I loved the line where Chloe mentions to Clark about Lionel being his new father, or something to that nature as it was rather funny, but a good plot element to develop into for next season. Lex wants Lionel out of his life, Lionel is getting closer to Clark, and he even called Clark son once again in a rather emotional scene at the mansion. I think Lionel may in fact become a new father figure for Clark after all, and it could be a plot element that causes Lex to fall further into his hatred for Clark, realizing that he's lost his father's love to the man who also had his wife's heart.

I was sad that Bizzaro didn't talk like an idiot, but when I think back to say, the animated series, Bizzaro started off talking and looking exactly like Clark does and then started to deteriorate over time. Perhaps the writers are going with the animated series take here, unless this was also part of the comics. I'm not sure, but they sorta adapted the animated series origins of Brainiac into Smallville's version, so I wouldn't be surprised. And besides, the end of the episode showed Bizzaro's face turn into the comic look of the character, so there is the chance that Bizzaro's classic way of talking and thinking will be interduced in the premire of Season 7. I'm hoping for it anyway. I did get a good laugh out of him saying "I'm you, just a little more bizzare."

As usual, the ending of the finale has the major characters in peril, except for Martha, whom is on her way to Washington, D.C. and out of the major character section of Smallville, sadly. Clark is probably swimming with the fishes in Reeves' Dam, Lois is trying to get the deathly weakened Chloe out of the Dam, Lionel is out cold under some debris, Lex is being arrested for Lana's death, and well, Lana is either dead (one can hope) or MIA now. I really wish that J'onn had been left in peril as well. They had the opportunity to actually put him in it as well since he was injured, but I guess he sent himself up into space to heal instead.

Anyway, despite a few problems, I loved the episode. It was an extremely good season finale. I can't wait for the premire of Season 7.

:eek: Dumb Bizzaro!!! I HATE 'Dumb' -speaking Bizzaro!! Although, I hated the animated series, too. However, I REALLY, REALLY hated dumb-speaking Bizzaro. It annoyed me the same way that the "Pakleds" of Star Trek: TNG fame did. Bizzaro DID look like the animated version at the end of this episode, so I can't imagine what they're planning to do with him when the new season 7 returns. BTW, I didn't know that "Commencement" was a 90 minute episode when it originally aired. I have it on DVD and it doesn't seem longer than the other episodes. I'll have to time it and see. Anyway, I agree with you that "Phantom" was an AWESOME season finale for S6 Smallville. :D

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Rachel B
ITA, there are no words for how lame this was.

:o THIS IS ALSO IN RESPONSE TO: "Deana", "Routh", "CallMeClark" and "Lara20":
"Different Strokes for Different Folks" I thought was the sentiment for these Forums! :rolleyes: You certainly have the Privilege to express your own opinions here, but you state them like they're some ultimate LAW. :( and you, Deana, sound like you're Bitter about marriage and maybe someone's betrayal? :confused: I can almost see your face twisted in disgust. :\ I hope you can put it all into a better perspective. Some people here have pointed out some great viewpoints about what was/has maybe been going on. I'll be married for 38 years this Sept., and it has Never been about the Paper. From a legal standpoint, the paper is made necessary, but marriage is about or Supposed to be about the heart. What the writers showed us about Lex and Lana's relationship revealed that it was Never A True Marriage. In Smallville's story of Clark Kent, he's still quite young even though he has superpowers. He learned human values and morals from the Kents who raised him (and those were some pretty upright people, especially Jonathan). He still has a lot to learn from his experiences, and at his age, 20 now, his emotions often rule before logic and wisdom prevail. Clark has a very much heightened sense of responsibility that was instilled in him by his adoptive parents...who, BTW, expected more from him than parents usually do. So, he too, needs time while he matures to learn from his mistakes...just like all the rest of us. It's a progressive story. We all know that Clark Becomes Superman sometime in his future. I don't think that we should expect him to already have what will be necessary to do that Incredible Job anytime too soon, but we have the opportunity to watch his grueling journey to get there. Tom Welling said as much in an early interview about his character. It can not be an easy thing to become what he becomes.
HOWEVER, since you are all so disappointed, YOU MAY ALL BE ESPECIALLY CREATIVE AS STORYTELLERS. SHARE WITH US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN, PLEASE... :)

monel49

05-18-2007, 09:31 PM

Just watched the episode again and though I gave it a 10, I would give it a higher grade if possible. Why? Kavalier mentioned earlier about the cinematography and how great it was. I agree. For folks like me who really liked Twin Peaks, this episode had a similar feel--haunting music, a murky feel amidst the color, an ominous feeling of dread mixed in with great human emotion. The dam was great as well, though I have to say it, the whole area doesn't look a bit like Kansas--good thing we can all suspend disbelief for a while. Never the less, great stuff in this episode. Also agree with Kavalier about the quality of this season--I'll give the whole year a strong 9. Very fine!

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 10:31 PM

Jack-El49 said, "... By the way, I don't know who is in more peril: those left in SV or Martha going to Washington? : D"

My comment to that is "EXACTLY!!! " :rotfl:

Originally posted by Liriel
Frankly, it sounded so bad that I skipped it, so I can't vote (honestly).

:eek: :o TRAITOR!!! AGAIN, I SAY TRAITOR!!! :( sssoorry! :rolleyes: I know, you CAN do that if you want to. :\

Originally posted by meggy
tptb of Smallville said this? really? when?...i wish that for no woman or couple...especially one about to get married

Meggy, think about it...there ARE Some circumstances where that situation is quite likely. For example, with Widows and Widowers who had truly loved their late spouses. They never STOP loving them...they just move on. There'll always be a Special spot in their heart reserved only for That person. Also, if someone has been In Love, but certain circumstances did not allow the relationship to continue successfully, they may turn their back on it and walk away, but it remains Special in their heart. It shows Respect for the Love that was shared, regardless of how it ended. It doesn't diminish the love they feel for their current love which may be the True love of their life. :\ At least, that's what I've learned after many years of observing various relationships in various stages. :)

Imzadia

05-18-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Promise
Well I enjoyed most post. As far as all this "moral" talk, people, just enjoy the show. But I do thank the ones that put energy into defending Clark's morals or the whole marriage thing. hi Mdragon.(sorry didn't want to mis-spell your name) = )

Anyways, I loved it. I feel the Clana will be more explored in S7, because yes she knows, but for once, Clana will be angst free. Let them love each other and let them talk more in depth about the secret, etc.

So Lionel is a good guy. MM, awesome. Chloe, well I still believe she is the one that will die later on in S7. I still look at Lois as an extra, so I really don't count her in Smallville. Sorry, people talk about mythos, well TPTB killed that by bringing Lois in early. She doesn't belong in Smallville, sorry. Clana is the true relationship. TW and KK brought them(Clark and Lana) to life.

But back on the Finale. Loved Bizzaro, love seeing Lex become the villian he is.

As far as Martha, since she won't be here to say goodbye when Clark knows he has to leave to prepare for his training, I think Lana will take that spot now, hopefully that's when we get the deep Clana talk.

I loved the episode, everything was rushed yes, but it was still good to get some answers answered.

:confused: "Promise", what do you mean by "the deep Clana talk?" :\ Am I missing something that has been overlooked? :confused: :\

vyperman7

05-19-2007, 01:20 AM

The finale had elements that I really enjoyed. The Bizzaro/Clark fight was the first decent fight they have had on the show in my opinion, and it was awesome that Bizzarro could fly as well. Even though I know Lana will be back, it is great to think even for a minute that she would actually be gone next season. Chloe's power = LAME. Healing tears of joy??!! :( First of all I think it is lame Chloe even has powers. But the least they could have done is give her something cool. If she had gone into Lois to give us a substitute Chlois, I really would have lost it. But yeah overall it was a good finale. Not the best, but not the worst either.

However, Smallville has become such a formulaic show. Every finale always involves every character in peril/danger, Clark with a new Kryptonian mess to clean up, and some Clana to boot. I appreciate what they tried to do. It seems like the show could be taken in a cool direction next season.

But Lana will be back, Chloe will be fine, Clark/Bizarro will end by the end of the premiere, and everything will be back to normal by episode two.

Overall I enjoyed it, and it definately wasn't my least favorite finale. But it wasn't the best finale for me either. My favorite finale still is and probably always will be "Covenant" from S3.

Crash27

05-19-2007, 01:23 AM

The phantom was OK but there should have been more action in it, It didn't do to much that we have not seen already, but turning into clark was funny, and then the flying, so maybe clark will try to fly now.

CallMeClark

05-19-2007, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Acejournalist82
This was the best episode this year!
Are you kidding? It doesn't even compare to Justice, Hydro, Labyrinth or Crimson.

Originally posted by vyperman7
My favorite finale still is and probably always will be "Covenant" from S3.
Mine will always be Commencement.

Raging Clue

05-19-2007, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Are you kidding? It doesn't even compare to Justice, Hydro, Labyrinth or Crimson.
It wasn't nearly as bad as Static, but it wasn't nearly as good as Crimson or Justice.

jor-eldeux

05-19-2007, 09:13 AM

To all the critics - you still don't get it. TPTB don't care. Whatever work it is they are trying to produce - they don't care what anybody thinks. That's why things never change. That's why they keep this crazy soap opera going. Clark had one Superman line when he said he was the only one who could stop the Phantom - and then chases off after Lionel.

I read these just to see what the buzz is ... I gave up on the series ever making Clark into the classic Superman. I can see where this is headed .... and next year's series finale .... I hope I have a barf bag.

Happy Venting.

smallvillecrazygurl04

05-19-2007, 09:32 AM

After watching thursday's episode, I really wasn't impressed with the way things turned out for this season finale. I think it could of been alot better in the way things were plotted out! So I gave it a 5 because I think it was an okay episode, but It could of been awhole lot better. But that's just my opinion.

samanta

05-19-2007, 09:35 AM

I gave it 7. It wasn't so bad. It has its bad moments but I think it was the best episode of the second half of this season.

cksidekick

05-19-2007, 10:16 AM

To comment on this adultery deal....

In the future clark will visit his destroyed homeworld..he will return to find he has an iligitimate son with Lois.....On the roof of the Daily Planet, Lois starts to kiss him...SHE desides its not a good idea....aftr all, hes been gone a long time and Richard is a good man........If not for HER choice, OLD CLARKIE [SUPERMAN] would have been playing SUPER TONSIL HOCKY with a happily maried woman....

My point is a clana kiss is not out of character for a super man who stands for tuth jusice and the American way.

Doug

05-19-2007, 10:17 AM

It was a good seson finale. Not the best they have done but really good. LANA is not dead......she faked her death to get lex arrested and in trouble. Chloe is not dead, they will find a way to save her, it wouldn't be right to see her powers 1 time and then she die...that wouldn't be fair. Lionel I think will die. At least he should...no offense to John, it is a good character but now that we know he is kinda a good guy they will kill him off. Say bye bye to martha!!!!! I bet we will see her in all of 3-4 episodes(if that) next seson. Martian Man hunter will help clark defeat Bizzaro, I think in the premier if Season 7 clark will finally fly!!! At least he sould to keep up with his alter ego....... As for who helped Lana, I wouldn't put it past Lionel now that he got what he wanted from her.......why not make a big scene out of it to play along with everything and make it look like Lex killed her............ Maybe clark helped, he didn't seem that upset when Lionel told him Lana was dead. It was almost like he said O ok, well gotta go.......

Anywho can't wait until September!!!!!!!

Gspokesman

05-19-2007, 12:32 PM

I gave it a 10 because I thought it wasn't one of the best episodes in the world but when I review the season as a whole I thought it was one of the best of the entire season, which isn't saying much but still. It's so weird though I don't have that oh-my-God-I-have-to-wait-till-September-to-see-what-happens feeling for a second straight season which really bothers me. Not since Season 4's finale have I been REALLY excited to see what happens next season and now I know officially Smallville just isn't what it was. Still thought it was a really good episode though but I agree it moved pretty fast but still, I'm looking forward to next season with Lex and the cops, almost everyone aware of Clark's secret, and the plots and storylines that come with that (especially with Martha gone so there's truly NO ONE there to lay some parent advice when Clark thinks something stupid). Better finale than last season if you ask me, but then again, I hated Lexana.

savemeclark

05-19-2007, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by jor-eldeux
To all the critics - you still don't get it. TPTB don't care. Whatever work it is they are trying to produce - they don't care what anybody thinks. That's why things never change. That's why they keep this crazy soap opera going.

So true. They just don't care.

Clark had one Superman line when he said he was the only one who could stop the Phantom - and then chases off after Lionel.

This is what really made me mad about this episode, along with the whole season. He spends the season whinning over Lana marrying Lex and that crap while this thing is killing person after person. And this episode highlighted it.

Welling_is_pretty

05-19-2007, 12:58 PM

I wish I could split my vote. The first half was terrible but the second half was great. Especially when we got to the damn. So I would give Phantom a 4 for the first half, a 7 for the second and a 10 for the last 8 minutes or so.

Bizarro!Clark was just so frickin' cool!

And the Clana (sorry Clanaists) was so totally not!

pharaoh8

05-19-2007, 02:40 PM

I give an 8.
Maybe by Lana faking her death, it might help Clark get over her. He needs to start to focus on something new...=).
Bizarro was intense. i really liked him.
I definitely can't wait till next season. I'm excited to see what the writers are cooking up.

aoa4life

05-19-2007, 03:31 PM

That was probably my favorite episode of smallville ever. It had everything I love about this show.

maka1987

05-19-2007, 04:18 PM

i gave it a nice little rating of 1 lol
wat a waste of 40+minutes of my life...very disapointed tbh:(
wasnt this suposed to be the season final?............
wheres the big ending?the shock?something to look forward to?
its nowhere to be seen........
probaly the worst season ending so far throughout the series.
all the hype to this episode yet we really find out nothing new do we.
im not slamming the show cuz i love it..ive watched season 1 to 6 but to my worste nightmares seem to be coming true,the scripts are getting a tad little bit....''expected'' lol
& nothing big or shocking is really happening.....i can understand that season 5 was the best & is hard to beat but surely the makers & script writers can write more original stuff.
season 6 just didnt have the spark & the final was over rated & there was np punch to it.

come on guys pull ur fingers out & make season 7 the best ever!

CallMeClark

05-19-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Raging Clue
It wasn't nearly as bad as Static, but it wasn't nearly as good as Crimson or Justice.
Agreed.

buffythevampireslayer

05-19-2007, 09:32 PM

Lex Cloned Lana in Season Finale!

Did anyone else notice the Lana "super soldier" in Lex's lab?

After Lex talks with his dad about Lana not loving him and he goes to the lab, he turns the lights on in his super solider containment room but only to highlight one particular super solider with long brown hair dangling down and swaying. All the rest are Wes clones.

This means...

Kristen Kreuk may be coming back for Season 7, but maybe in part as a LanaBot and it also means that Lex can avoid jail by bringing out the LanaBot and saying Lana isn't dead.

There is no point in the real Lana faking her own death only to hang around Smallville. The real Lana would have to leave Smallville until Lex got himself out of jail by bringing out the LanaBot. Once the police think Lana did not die, the real Lana has to return to prove she is the real Lana.

Lex might even program the LanaBot to try to kill Clark as vengeance.

Sound plausible?

Watch the episode again for LanaBot.

(Posted this in another thread too on speculation on Lana's future...)

CLanaF23

05-19-2007, 09:44 PM

i hated dat Lana died!!(i cried) and i Loved when Lois got stabbed!! wish lois woulda stayed dead..but i loved da clana stuff!!!

Detorio

05-19-2007, 10:03 PM

Woo Hoo! Another classic season cliffhanger :D. I gave 'PHANTOM' a 10 cos everything about the episode was amazing. Bizzaro..Lana's Death (even tho i beleive she isnt dead)...Lex being arrested (oh yes!) and so on. I crave the Smallville final episodes of the season cos they end it so well...making you want more! Ah yes amazing stuff!

norman619

05-19-2007, 11:26 PM

This whole episode bugged me.
1. When will they stop pitting Clark against bug guys who sevrely out class him? Remember he's never had to fight someone who actually had a chance agaisnt him yet they have him going toe to toe with general Zod, His flunkies, Titan (Though he actually was a pretty ****** fighter), "Brainiac", and now "Bizaro." If they wanted to do this they shold have at least had Clark complete the combat part of Jorels training.

2. How is Lana gonna hide from a Luthor? They have more money and power than God. Remember even Mob bosses and street gang leaders are able to call the shots from prison.

3. When will they have CLark use that superior intellect he's supposed to have? Like no one thought Lionel was still influenced by Jorel... And CLark is supposed to save humanity. I weep for the species...

4. Why the hell would the Phantom say "only more Bizarre?" That came out of left field.

5. They managed to crap on both theMArtian Manhunter and Bizarro in one episode.

6. They seem to make everything about Krypton. Can they for once have an alien threat be from somewhere other than Krypton? Why do they introduce established alien good guys and bad guys and make them conneted to Krypton or be Kryptonians?

7. Inconsistencies and plot holes galore

After watching this episode I'm not sure I will watch another season of this. Sorry to all the fanboys who may read this but the writing sux hard core hairy butt.

v3rlon

05-20-2007, 12:57 AM

1. When 2 Kryptonians fight, THAT is how it should be...damage to the environment like crazy.

2. If Lana is dead I'll eat the DVD. Even Lionel didn't see her get INTO the car. Anyone who has ever been to Smallville should know better. Who was dead in the car for her?

3. Bizarro mooches some Kryptonian DNA and 5 minutes later, he can fly. Clark can't fly after 15 years. What gives? Heroes has thrown down the gauntlet here. Clark needs to get airborn. Really, it wouldn't be much different than super speed as a plot device.

4. Will the REAL Lionel please stand up?

5. Given the choice of effects, I wonder how much of Chloe is in Lois now?

6. Lex seems to be showing his true colors now. But he has GOT to suspect more about Clark now? I wonder if he has security cameras in that facility?

7. What did the police think when the dam started coming apart underneath them as they were arresting Lex? Surely he was violating SOME law they can arrest him for when they find out Lana isn't dead.

8. Faking your death is a crime. Bad Lana. Maybe Clark will get over her while she's in prison.

9. Go Lois. The future looks really good for Clark.

10. Clark seems willing to fight now. Good. Of course, if he wanted to clobber Lionel, why drag it out? Just thump his head into low orbit....

11. Flight please....how about now? Is now a good time for you? Really, the excuses were old in season 4. Its almost a bad as the amnesia to fix everything at the end of an episode.

12. Martian Manhunter could throw Clark a tip or two....how about "need flying lessons?"

Still, I liked the episode. Now can we have Clark flying please?

Karlek

05-20-2007, 05:13 AM

So Clark almost strangled Lionel. If MM hadn't been there to call him off, he would have killed him. How many times is it now that Clark was within an inch of murdering someone? I count three.

It was disturbing enough when Clark almost murdered someone who was guilty. This time, he almost strangled the wrong guy.

Morally, Clark is getting WORSE!

Shadow116

05-20-2007, 05:46 AM

I liked this episode and hey it was better then Vessel,a disgrace to Zod :lol:

Smallville's Oracle

05-20-2007, 08:33 AM

Great episode......Obviously Lana got in that milk tuck which is cool because she can come back later in the season. Lex getting arrested by Lana setting him up was great. Martha gone and Chloe possibly dead. Clark will have no choice but to finish his training.

globalbudd3

05-20-2007, 08:46 AM

I thought this year season finale was good but not as great as previous seasons finales. It was entertaining but for some reason the cliff hanger doesn't do anything for me...but that is just my own opinion.

Kirstycol

05-20-2007, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Shadow116
I liked this episode and hey it was better then Vessel,a disgrace to Zod :lol:

:confused: What are you talking about. Vessel Rocked. So did Zod.

Dark kalel

05-20-2007, 09:09 AM

I liked the fact Bizarro is finally in the series. In fact one day I posted a suggestion on some other Smallville related website that the producers should fit Bizarro somewhere in here

ash91

05-20-2007, 11:20 AM

to be honest i was disspointed with this finale, i expected so much more! here's why:

1.)the long awaited scene where clark teels lana his secret was really badly put together, the "i'm from another planet" dialogue was crappy and seemed stupid, her reaction even seemed unrealistic (if u found out that aliens actually exist and someone that close to you is one of them you would be a bit more shocked!)

lana is obviously not dead as they wouldn't just have a random truck blocking Lionel's view for no reason.

2.)chole's power of healing seems a bit cheesy to me.

3.)if the martian manhunter has been looking after clark all this time then where has he been for the past six years i mean i know he didnt want to interfere but there where a lot of times when clark could have used his help

4.) i was expecting a really great fight scene with gerat special effects but the fight scene was poor and the special effects were well below par and worse than the special effects we have seen this season, we haven't had a great fight all season long

so while having the bizarro clark is a really awesome twist, i jumped up from my seat when it said "to be continued" i was like "is it the end already? but they haven;t explained anything and nothing great has happened!

anyway sorry for the rant (you probably couldbn't be bothered reading all of it), i've been very dissapointed with smallville lately, i guess that's becasue of how awesome heroes has been.

although i can't wait for next season, the first epsiode of a new season is always the best!

Kirstycol

05-20-2007, 11:39 AM

Its was a bit anti climactic I agree. But I really loved the breakup scene between Lex and Lana. Michael Rosenbaum is such an awesome Lex. He takes the cliche out of the supervillan.

Shadow116

05-20-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Kirstycol
:confused: What are you talking about. Vessel Rocked. So did Zod.

Sorry should have been more clear Vessel was a disgrace to teh character/true Zod.

I mean I hate that SV had to do possession,so stupid,I and others wanted the real Zod.

But yeah I like Phantom better then Vessel so what :lol:

but the episode Zod was fine :) one of my S6 favorites.

jazel

05-20-2007, 05:09 PM

think peeps aren't thinking clearly....lol
when and if Lana comes back, I'm seeing a very angry BDA, for putting him through a fake death (and it still could be real).
Lana's actions may have been selfless, but she continues to show Clark, her lack of faith and trust in him. :(
Who'd want a girl like that ? :p

don johns

05-20-2007, 05:14 PM

What worked in the finale:
1. Bizarro Clark is a step up in vallainy. a lot of viciousness and superpower is not bad for an arch enemy of Clark. Good job there!
2. Clark finally fessed up the truth to Lana. After 6 long years of waiting for this moment, the writing should have been more poignant and with more depth. Clark's speech was a little like speed dialing, should have been longer and more emotional.
3. Chloe has superpower is always a good thing for Smallville and the gang.
4. Lex going dark and evil. A lot more evil would even be better.

What didn't work.
1. Lois delivering her lines like it is a wisecrack or some inside joke is a turnoff. They need to hire a new actress to play Lois.
2. All of Chloe's screen time was taken up by Lois.
3. The writers need to write with continuity and consistency for both Lex and Lionel. Is Lex evil or an abused adult son of Lionel? Is Lionel a bastard or flawed convert?

The audience want to watch the big four: Clark-Lex-Lana-Chloe,lets keep Season 7 with their stories.

ctjj.stevenson

05-20-2007, 05:55 PM

I voted 10 (and a possible 11 for the scenes in Québec)!

Chris

However, the fact that a priest was in the scene, was exagarated ... the Roman Catholic Church is not as important in Québec as it was before the 1960!

Sweetie

05-20-2007, 06:22 PM

I gave a 9.It was awesome.Bizzaro & Clark fight was great...Lois, the reporter was nice to see,Chloé coming to the rescue(I hope she's not dead,it would be pretty lame).Romantic Clana got to stop,it's getting ridiculous.I'm glad she's gone,it will give Clark to think about this pointeless relationship..MM was brilliant,I like him(I wish we could see his real face).Lex was the magnificient bastard(I wonder if he's going to stay in jail for long).Lionel was wonderfull.

Khyla

05-20-2007, 10:37 PM

finally an excuse for that glassy-eyed glazed-over sugar-coated Clana! :)

How else could we believe the BDA would neglect taking a more formulated stance against the deadliest zoner ever, that even injured the MM.
TPTB HAD to portray Clana the way they did, otherwise no one would believe he could be that stupid!
to openly reveal himself and let the phantom just come right at him, no strategy, no tactics, just sheer foolishness.

Only thing that can do that to him: LANA (or Green Kryptonite). :\

---other than the Clana, I thought the episode was great!

Kal-alien

05-21-2007, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Deana
The only thing good about the finale was when Bizarro came into being. What was that? All of seven minutes.

Oh yeah, always a pleasure to see Lois kick someone's butt, even when gutted with a knife she pulls of a K.O.

I think I liked a total of eight minutes of the finale.

Given the abundance of Yaris Commercials, 7 minutes has to be well into 20 % of the show though! So based solely on air time percentages, i'd say that 7 minutes was a decent time. I hope you weren't expecting a knock down drag out fight throughout the whole episode. That would have been a crappy finale.

They had too many storylines to follow but did a decent job with them. I give it a 9. I always expect more out of Finales. It'll be interesting to see things unfold. FInd out where Lana's Hiding, What Chloe remembers after her coma, how Lex gets out of prison, If anyone in washington wonders how someone who was never elected makes it to the top levels of the Legislative Branch of our government, How Clark deals with Bizzaro. WHERE"S THE FORTRESS? things like that.

MackLove

05-21-2007, 07:30 AM

So...I def only read two pages of this thread so if I'm off subject...

LOVED IT!!!

I never liked Clana, but always half enjoyed it, but now I am going to pray that Lana is actually dead. "Ur same Clark.." *barfs all over office*

I loved Chloe's power, BUT if they don't bring back the Mack....

Is Lionel going to drown?

So Clark HAS been training all this time...oh.

Martha goes to Washington...i spose.

Lex is awesome. When he closed the door, "This is about Clark, isnt it?" Sweet.

And let us not forget Bizarro Shelby. Who knew Shelby could fly??

MidgardDragon

05-21-2007, 07:52 AM

"Ur same Clark.." *barfs all over office*

Mmm, that's mature.

jimmyolsenblues

05-21-2007, 07:58 AM

i give it a 9 only because i wish the fight was longer with bizarro.

Cyclops1974

05-21-2007, 09:31 AM

Compared to the last couple of episodes this season, this is a 10.

So I gave it a 10. Hope it's still worth a 10 in september when we've seen what they've made of this. Because it promises a lot. Hope they can keep up with their promise.

Liked all the action stuff. That's what the 10 is for, because it made up for the stuff I didn't like:

Martha going to DC - a bit too forced. It was almost like, we're going to have to give Martha also some kind of cliffhanger, because else their won't be a reason for her to be in this episode.

Chloe's meteor ability. Cool to be able to heal someone with a tear, but it really sucks if you die yourself by doing so. And I'm afraid they've really killed Chloe here. Just like that. Boom!!! Chloe's dead. No long goodbye. No Nothing. Just dead. Well at least we have another funeral scen next season.

Clark being angry at Lionel. Yeah right. Like he was ever going to kill Lionel. Really, we're not that stupid. It would've been more convincing if he first asked questions and than MM would've stepped in to answer them. Not like this.

Lana dying? A bit too obvious what happended there. Because it was a bit too coincidental that a little van just happen to drive by between Lionel and Lana so he couldn't see if she really stepped in her car or jumped in the little van.

And also... Eh nope. That's it. The rest of the episode was fine with me. And it made me looking forward to next season, something I was doubting after the last couple of episodes.

mlong187

05-21-2007, 10:54 AM

The last 6 episodes of this season reminded me a great deal of Spider Man 3. How?

Because in both cases, the writers tried to do entirely too much in not nearly enough time.

Black Spider Man/Venom is a two-movie plotline in and of itself. Gwen Stacy (played by the surprisingly hot Bryce Dallas Howard) deserved a lot more attention than she got. The Sandman plot could've been so much more touching and personal.

The phantoms needed a lot more attention. The Clana needed a lot less. Simply put, the writers tried entirely too hard to put too much into this season. As a result, so many characters and plot lines felt underdeveloped.

As an episode, I give this one a 7. It would've been worse if not for the redeeming quality of the last 8 minutes.

As a season, S6 gets an 8. Theme of the season: wasted potential.

stevesul

05-21-2007, 12:44 PM

I'm giving the episode a 9. I've never really understood the hostility many here feel towards Lana. I hope the speculation is correct that she faked her death to escape Lex; I'd be reluctant to see her go. But, if she really is gone, it will clear the way for the one major plot development I've wanted to see for six years: for Clark and Chloe to finally get together romantically. Obviously she's loved him forever, and the bond between them has grown stronger since she's become his confidante. Of course they're not destined to wind up together, but a relationship between them could become one of the high points of the final season to come.
Steve

Jaded Wolf

05-21-2007, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
[quote]They had one episode to tie up all the loose ends. End #1, the phantoms; #2 Lex and Lana and Clark; #3, 33.1; #4, Chloe's powers; #5, Lionel. 5 ends in one barely 60-minute episode. I don't think so.[/quote

#1 - Well there was the one left, and they made it a doozy. And plus, we all knew the main villain wouldn't be taken care of til the premiere. At least I hope those of us that have been watching for six years could've figured taht out.

#2 - Not gonna be wrapped up in one episode. What were you thinking?

#3 - 33.1 wrapped up in one episode? What the heck? That's Lex's big thing and it's not even close to over.

#4 - They didn't even have to show us Chloe's power, that could've been kept for the premiere, but they did anyways.

#5 - Really? Lionel's entire purpose was supposed to be wrapped up this episode? I must say I'm glad you don't write for Smallville (and I do believe I've said that before.)

Actually, I don't think I've ever heard a peep from you. You missed my point entirely. This season flopped like a fish out of water and the season finale did nothing but just kill off characters that should not have been killed and these last few episodes have been nothing more but advertisements for that stupid car. Quit with the petty insults. Seriously, you sound like you're in high school which you probably are.

Kryptonian-Ronin

05-22-2007, 07:16 AM

Impossible to give anything a 10, that equals perfection and this episode certainly wasn't perfect.

I was pleasantly surprised that I actually liked it.
Not great, but not a bad season finale, especially for how lacking this whole season was.

I assume Lionel called the cops on Lex, probably to save him from Clark, or maybe a power move for Luthor Corp.

The Chloe/Lois thing was handles OK, not great but OK.

Its quite obvious the Lana faked her death, but who helped her is the real question...

Sad to see Martha go, not handled very well.

Lionel is still so uber-cool.

Lex is a shallow and pathetic display of a cuckolde husband, I actually fell sorry for him.

Ok, maybe not.

Clark...ah Clark...nice fight scene, not great but ok, the Bizzaro thing was handled alright, the kryptonite reaction was interesting.
The face change was cool, hope he stays that way and there isn't any silly " it was bizzaro pretending to be clark doing crap" storylines in Season 7, that;s just cheesy and outdated.

All in all, in a great season Finale, but a good one.

I give it a 7.

Del_Duio

05-22-2007, 09:17 AM

I liked it, I gave it an 8 / 10.

This version of Bizzaro seems to be a lot smarter than the one I've read about, though. Oh well, good work all around.

ash91

05-22-2007, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
The face change was cool, hope he stays that way and there isn't any silly " it was bizzaro pretending to be clark doing crap" storylines in Season 7, that;s just cheesy and outdated.

that's what i was thinking i really hope the writers don't go down that route but knowing them they're probably very tempted at that option. although they can just revert back to red k if they want to show clark being bad ass

upsidedown

05-22-2007, 11:12 AM

[i]The face change was cool, hope he stays that way and there isn't any silly " it was bizzaro pretending to be clark doing crap" storylines in Season 7, that;s just cheesy and outdated. [/B]

Oh, please nooooooooooooooooooo!
They won't dare. Right?

Kryptonian-Ronin

05-22-2007, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by upsidedown
Oh, please nooooooooooooooooooo!
They won't dare. Right?

Hope is all we have....

cksidekick

05-22-2007, 02:55 PM

call me carazy, but i imagine Bizaro will deteriorate as time goes on...it wont be any ME BIZARO lines, but it will be more of an evil Clark slowly going insane...cognative fuctions will slowly get worse

stevieg123

05-23-2007, 10:20 PM

I wasn't that impressed with the epi. I felt it was predictable and cheesey. I'm soooooooo sick of LL that I could scream!!! I hope CK gets over her fast, I can't take it much longer-him crying and whining over her. Dead or Alive.

jazel

05-23-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by stevieg123
I wasn't that impressed with the epi. I felt it was predictable and cheesey. I'm soooooooo sick of LL that I could scream!!! I hope CK gets over her fast, I can't take it much longer-him crying and whining over her. Dead or Alive.

when I saw LL, first I thought which one ? :lol:
Lex and Clark, have had, an interesting relationship....:rotfl:
BUT the Crying and Whining part = Lana........LOL
can ANY woman, respect a MAN, that is SO about a woman ?
Here's a good example.......MY hubby, left behind his "first" love......I asked him, what color were her eyes ? He had NO answer......similar to yours.....is what he eventually said......a TRUE man doesn't care !!!
we've been together 19 years, and have 3 bad-ass sons to show for it ;)
go Clois, although the odds, are against you ;)

Rimmer66

05-24-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Ginx
I gave it a 10. I really wished it was a 2-hour finale because there was so much going on that it was just crazy.

I can't believe how almost everyone sorta dies and you really don't know who is really dead and who is not.

Loved that Lex got arrested for killing Lana when he didn't do it. Nice move Lana but Lex will get you now.
.

Hmmm glad to hear some people figured that out - I wonder if ti was Lionel's idea :D

Anyhow I am VERY surprised to see that some people voted a 1 :D I voted 9 - I think it was a great episode, the things that people describe here about the finale uh........i don't think we've been watching the same finale LOL :)

ANd I though ti was the only one with the twisted sense of humor.

MidgardDragon

05-24-2007, 05:01 PM

mpossible to give anything a 10, that equals perfection and this episode certainly wasn't perfect.

If it's impossible to ever give anything a 10, then why would we even ever have it as an option? 10 isn't perfect, 10 just means that any flaws you might have picked up on are forgivable, or that you, personally, didn't notice any flaws. It's not impossible to give anything a 10, that's just stupid, otherwise we'd have a "9 point scale because perfection is impossible". If all movie and TV critics thought like you then we'd never have anything rated two thumbs up, or 5 stars.

Micheal Moon

05-27-2007, 02:02 AM

I;ve watched Phantom a couple of times now since it aired a week and a half ago, and it gets better every time. This is one of my favourite Smallville episodes ever.

Directing and acting in the episode was great. I love how the wraith punches Clark through the wall and Clark looks up stunned at what he's seeing (an evil version of himself), and you just don't know what the hell Clark is gaping at. The camera just shows a dark figure besides Clark's head.

The production on this show is marvellous. I love the background music during the Bizarro scene.

Welling has become along with Glover and Rosenbaum, one of my favourite actors in the show.

pharaoh8

05-27-2007, 08:45 PM

it was great.

Imzadia

05-28-2007, 07:53 PM

I watched "Phantom" again last night and thoroughly enjoyed it AGAIN. YES!! I agree with you "MidgardDargon" about the possibility of the Perfection we all wish for, but Rarely get. It comes down to whether or not you really love the story being told and the actors who portray the characters you love, as well as the ones you 'love to hate', and are willing to overlook whatever small flaws that crop up. If it was truly so terrible we wouldn't all be still watching. It's easy for me to 'Nit-Pick' because I notice the 'Details'. So, I decide whether or not it's worth it for me to devote my time to. SMALLVILLE...I still LOVE. My 2 cents!!!.....

Bizzaro513

05-30-2007, 06:53 AM

It's about time they brought out a new and different supervillain. Personally, I think following through with Bizzaro is a great idea. Even though he isn't a regular, he's still awesome!:)

Mandini

06-05-2007, 10:19 AM

Loved the episode, probably one of the best ones this season next to the JLA eppi. You can tell the actors took pride in what they were making. They left us with a great "what is going to happen next" feeling for next season. And Clark looks hot while being evil hehe.

Angels4BobSeger

06-05-2007, 02:26 PM

I missed the season finale. I can't believe I didn't watch that.
I wonder if they will do that repeat in september or october.

:cool:

kryptonianPOKEMON

06-08-2007, 10:03 AM

oH YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!:) THAts pretty awesome.But too many deaths in only one episode..that was the one of a few details that make the episode to get a 9 and no a 10.Now cant w8 to see who is alive and who isnt!

jazel

06-08-2007, 01:54 PM

usually they air the Finale, the week before the
new Season premier. ;)

supergirl28

06-12-2007, 08:02 PM

This episode had me on the edge of my seat. I don't remember seeing Shelby anywhere. Are we talking about dog shelby, because i saw the episode more than once and i didn't see a dog.

Blue screen of death

06-20-2007, 12:40 PM

outstanding episode. i finally got to see it. I really liked bizaro clark. Lionel was great, chloe/lois scenes were good. Just wish MM could have had a lil more screen time. I also wish clark would have went to the FoS to "learn" about this kryptonian 'experiment'

kryptongirl2008

07-02-2007, 05:07 PM

I'd give it an 8. The beginning wasn't too good and they had alot of bloody scenes. Kind of gory you could say. I think about 2 people had their guts pulled out of them and Lois got stabbed. Wasn't a pretty sight.

Originally posted by Mandini
And Clark looks hot while being evil hehe.
Like he always is ;) lol

Minela

07-15-2007, 09:28 AM

I renamed the epi "Awsome" on my DVR recordings.

bongoboy

07-22-2007, 08:00 PM

I loved the episode!

Two weeks ago I picked up season 6 on DVD and up to that point had only seen to ep' 11 on the net. So I watched the remaining episodes over the next few days and was very impressed. Especially with the finale.

I was happy to see Clark finally tell Lana. Although I assume she had her suspisions once she saw him use his heat ray. Remembering she had seen the Kryptonians attack the police with it. Plus of course his strength and speed.

I am very happy the show is moving into a new season. I am aware how much negativity the show receives on this fan site and am happy that people outside the forum still watch the show.

As for what I'd like to see happen? I think that an understanding between C and L is a must. If in fact she did indeed survive. (I believe she did) But for a more realisitic take on life, the two should move on. I've never seen a kind of unrequited love like this go on for so many years. People do move on. And those that don't become stalkers or join the Foreign Legion or something.

I very much liked the chemistry between Lois and Clark during the Valentine's day episode. But how will Lois not know who SM is later in life if she is so familiar with his face now?

What I really would enjoy is more crime fighting and for Clark to finally fly. I mean he is an adult now. I am unsure if the rule regarding his non flight status is still enforced now that SM Returns has been and gone. (Wasn't impressed with that movie at all)

More attention to a career in journalism.

More maturity in getting over what ultimately is a high school romance.

More focus on the Justice League and SM's place in it.

More evil from Lex outside of his major obsession with 33.1.

x4vi4

08-01-2007, 11:09 AM

it was an ok episode, not as good as last years finale but it was ok,.......................................I just REALLY want lana and clark to get along now, (if shes alive) or even get closer thn they'v eva been now she knows his secret. and i want lex to b SUPER evil so clark can beat him up lol,.......... i cant wait till season 7!

MidgardDragon

08-04-2007, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by bongoboy
I loved the episode!

Two weeks ago I picked up season 6 on DVD

...

How!?

You are aware it's not been released on DVD yet, right? I don't care if you managed to get your hands on a pirated copy, but I really hope you didn't pay for it. I'm perfectly okay with people watching for free as you can do that on tele, but you should at least be aware of what you have done.

Originally posted by x4vi4
it was an ok episode, not as good as last years finale but it was ok,.......................................I just REALLY want lana and clark to get along now, (if shes alive) or even get closer thn they'v eva been now she knows his secret. and i want lex to b SUPER evil so clark can beat him up lol,.......... i cant wait till season 7!

Much better than Vessel IMO (which I liked). While Vessel involved everything falling apart, Phantom involved a lot of stuff coming together, leading up to what appears to be a DC Universe-laden Season 7.