TV Ratings for Phantom

[Raging Clue]

Talk about the television ratings of Phantom here.

[Bosrudorfer]

I think it should be higher than recent episodes in that Survivor has ended (Finale was on Sunday) and they are going to reshow it again on Sunday

[superhippie2000]

i hope they are high but it doesnt really matter cause smallville is coming back next season yay.

[rangersfanalex]

Has the CW's fall schedule come out yet?

[Yelrihs]

Hopefully all the twists and turns in the finale will ignite more viewers to watch. And there is little competition for ratings I suppose since Survivor is out of the way.

[LeeHounshell]

I'm looking forward to this, tonight!

[indiandevil81]

wild guess, not being too optimistic since the declining trend: 4.8

[F-Stop Blues]

I dont think it really matters at this point. Its renewed and its the flagship of the CW.

[Bosrudorfer]

^Of course it matters, isnt funding based on viewers? That could mean less special effects in season 7.

I think it will be around 4 with it not even going over 4.5

[LegendaryU2K]

Hope its good. :)

[Dodden]

With the steadily decreasing ratings, I don't expect anything spectacular.

Hell, it didn't even air in most densely populated part of Canada.

[LegendaryU2K]

The CW needs to promote thier show more, simple as that. We as fans can only do so much, the cw or whoever is in charge needs to make sure smallville is aired everywhere.

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

That is true CW needs to promote Smallville more, because In aussie they are doing well with the show... But thats my opinion:D

[Darren5000]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I think it should be higher than recent episodes in that Survivor has ended (Finale was on Sunday) and they are going to reshow it again on Sunday

Since the average is like 3.6, I'm going to go all out and say at least a 4.2 to 4.8. Man, I got to note to buy USA TOday this coming Wednesday for the TV ratings.

[Best Episode - 321]

Smallville (season finale)
- 4.014 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Link to Ratings (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925)

_________________________________________________

SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.01

* - Final

[warriorrenegade]

Wow actually made it into the 4mil range... So my guess it'll reach 4.10 mil in final rating? We'll see.

[F-Stop Blues]

atleast it broke 4.

[LoisL]

Phew! Nice to see the ratings climb back out of the mediocre 3s. But I guess I should hold the relief until the final ratings come in.

[niki]

It should increase, they still have to show the finale on the A Channel in Canada tonight at 8pm, so it better not be finalized just yet!

[myankskent]

That's a good rating. Considering the decline this season, they rebounded at the end. I'm sure that the ratings for the start of next season will be higher. That's usually how it happens, the first half of the season is always better than the second half.

[Bosrudorfer]

LOL I was right (I said it would be near 4).

4.01 is pretty bad for a finale isnt it? :\

All these episodes did better:
Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*

And it only beat:
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*

^^ I forgot, they are going to reshow it on Sunday @ 8pm too.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am happy with a 4 million number after prototype I was worried.
3.4 to 4.0 million viewers, I will take it, I will.

[wolverine316]

It is sad that we are relieved that Smallville barely made it over 4 million people.

[Best Episode - 321]

Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8pm
- 3.686 million viewers
- 2.2/4 HH
- 1.6/5 A18-49
- 2.0/7 A18-34

8:30pm
- 4.342 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.9/6 A18-49
- 2.2/7 A18-34

Supernatural
9pm
- 2.776 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

9:30pm
- 2.705 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

[canon]

It's good that Smallville picked up number in the second half hour. Supernatural actually lost a few in second half hour.

[twatsonc]

I really don't understand why they haven't advertised Smallville this season. What is that about? I used to hear it on the radio, or other forms of ads but now it's just advertised on the CW. Maybe they are working with a smaller budget. Does anybody know what's deal? But anyway, Least it was picked up for next year.

[boywithbluehanger]

Yep the ratings suck majorly...that's not news. 4 mill is bad by ANY standards.

But at least now that Smallville has CW backed into a corner it can't be kicked off of the network.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
Yep the ratings suck majorly...that's not news. 4 mill is bad by ANY standards.

But at least now that Smallville has CW backed into a corner it can't be kicked off of the network.

4 mil certainly isn't bad by CW standards, since it's fledgling network who gets mostly low numbers in the first place. You have to look at it from the proper perspective, and I know there are folks here who can throw numbers at you that show 4 mil not being all that bad for CW. Now 3 mil, that was worrisome, hopefully it keeps up the trend of 4 mil or more, then we'll be fine.


Originally posted by twatsonc
I really don't understand why they haven't advertised Smallville this season. What is that about? I used to hear it on the radio, or other forms of ads but now it's just advertised on the CW. Maybe they are working with a smaller budget. Does anybody know what's deal? But anyway, Least it was picked up for next year.

I think they put too much time and energy into doing these online director's cuts, online previews, and only heavily promoting key episodes (Justice and Promise) and they forgot that they have to build viewers through promotion the rest of the season too. Key episodes don't do squat if people don't know that something interesting is coming on next week or the week after.

[hemmy]

Maybe low ratings will bring the best out of Al/Miles in season 7 :)

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by twatsonc
I really don't understand why they haven't advertised Smallville this season. What is that about? I used to hear it on the radio, or other forms of ads but now it's just advertised on the CW. Maybe they are working with a smaller budget. Does anybody know what's deal? But anyway, Least it was picked up for next year.

Here in Seattle I heard and seen alot of ads for SV both on popular radio stations and on the CW station.

[Best Episode - 321]

Smallville
- 4.139 million viewers
- 2.4/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.2/7 A18-34

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925/p/9

_______________________________


SEASON 6 Final Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.14*

* - Final

Season 6 Average - 4.52 million

[MidgardDragon]

With that dip into shake 3 mil territory between Combat and Phantom, I think this seasons ratings turned out better than some made them out to be. After all when it was doing great people sang it's praises, and when it was taking a dive people doomed it to obscurity. I think a 4.52 million average is great for a show that's been on the air for 6 years and is airing on a fledgling network that's made some admittedly horrid advertising mistakes.

[warriorrenegade]

Exactly! SV has done a pretty good job considering its networks handling of the merger/ advertising / hiatus schedule etc..

Just think if those 3mil rated episodes meet the season avg. SV's rating then would've been 4.66mil slightly better , but nothing drastic. SV should be proud of its numbers.

[Dodden]

Well, I'm not surprised the show lost over a million viewers between Promise and Prototype.

Frankly I'm surprised they managed over four million for the finale.

For a small network, they lost almost a quarter of their viewers in a span of four or five episodes. If that doesn't signal that somethings wrong, I don't know what does.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
(...)
Phantom............4.14*

* - Final

Season 6 Average - 4.52 million
Wow, so the finale is BELOW average.
Has this happened before, in any of the other seasons?

Still, it feels like we avoided disaster.

[paolinki25]

Not surprised at all. After "Promise", the ratings have been dropping way too fast.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe this might be lowest season finale in 6 years.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Not surprised at all. After "Promise", the ratings have been dropping way too fast.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe this might be lowest season finale in 6 years.
Absolute, as well as relative?

[Jack-El49]

Lest we all forget, EVERY network has been experiencing a drop in viewership - as much as 15% since the beginning of March. There are several articles on it in the mainstream media.

The networks are citing TiVO as one of the principal reasons. I haven't looked overall in a few weeks but even the big hits: 5th grader, Ugly Betty - they all have taken a ratings dive. SV should be no exception.

No time to hit a panic button. It's in line with what the major networks are experiencing as well. That's not to say that CW can't do more to pump money into its advertising budget for SV. It's a ratings horse for CW and rather than let it drift, they should pump it up. I saw/heard ZERO ads for SV last week in the South Florida market.

[Acejournalist82]

I think the ratings whould be higher. Come on, some of the shows on this time on Thursdays are not very good.

[redraven]

I didn't see any trailers, nor did I hear any radio ads...I only saw previews from when I was online.

That's probably part of it...but I'm still happy that the finale was over 3 million. :)

[wolverine316]

Why is lack of advertising being blamed when it should be sucky storylines that caused over 1 million people to run and hide?

[MidgardDragon]

Why do you believe that just because you thought they were sucky storylines that everyone agrees with you? It's all relative and people have really gotta quit thinking their opinion is the only one that matters.

[Best Episode - 321]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Wow, so the finale is BELOW average.
Has this happened before, in any of the other seasons?

Season 1 - Average - 6.41 million
Episode 21 - Tempest - 6 million


Season 2 - Average - 7.73 million
Episode 23 - Exodus - 7.5 million


Season 5 - Average - 5.32 million
Episode 22 - Vessel - 4.9 million


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3020164#post3020164

[LegendaryU2K]

Well thanks for the ratings, thats great.

Btw, i hope next season the CW or the makers of smallville start promoting thier show more.

I also heard from a few people that they stop watching the show, because of the lana and clark thing. I do think they need to end the clana thing.

But it dont bother me like other people.

[monel49]

Ratings for the finale and the season average are good considering the CW advertised very little and cut up the second half of the season. Agree with those who say this fledgling network doesn't get much coverage and this six year old show is doing well, maybe we ought to be saying it helped carry the CW this year.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Smallville (season finale)
- 4.014 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Link to Ratings (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925)

_________________________________________________

SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.01

* - Final

Haha! Promise TANKED Smallville! :lol:

It's pretty sad when any ep get's lower ratings then Subterranean, considering there was a month wait for the whole ONE episode and then another loooong break. Just goes to show CLANA kills Smallville's ratings yo. Everything was fine and dandy while LEXANA ruled the scene. EAT IT.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Season 1 - Average - 6.41 million
Episode 21 - Tempest - 6 million


Season 2 - Average - 7.73 million
Episode 23 - Exodus - 7.5 million


Season 5 - Average - 5.32 million
Episode 22 - Vessel - 4.9 million


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3020164#post3020164
Thank you.
:)

[Smallville's Oracle]

Justice league seemed to be a popular episode.......maybe they can parlay that next year.

[Derrickray]

I think a string of bad episodes are the reason for the subpar ratings in the finale. The last few episodes should all lead up to the finale but instead they just forced everything into one episode.

One of Smallville's problems is that you have two types of episodes:
You have episodes that follow the overall story of the season. And you have filler episodes that you can miss and not skip a beat.

The filler episodes hurt the series because there's no reason to watch them. Every episode should end with a cliff hanger that leaves you waiting for the next episode.

When you look at the successful shows on TV like 24 and Lost, they always leave you wanting more when the show ends. Most of the time Smallville just wraps up whatever weak plot they had going on and calls it a day.

They need to go out with a bang in season 7.

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
With that dip into shake 3 mil territory between Combat and Phantom, I think this seasons ratings turned out better than some made them out to be. After all when it was doing great people sang it's praises, and when it was taking a dive people doomed it to obscurity. I think a 4.52 million average is great for a show that's been on the air for 6 years and is airing on a fledgling network that's made some admittedly horrid advertising mistakes.

4.52 is bad by ANY standards even the ones that you mention:

1. A show that's been on for 6 years
2. A show that's on a network that does a VERY poor job executing marketing schemes.

(both points I entirely agree with btw)

I mean I understand that it's better to be positive about these things but anyone can say that any show's ratings are decent for the circumstances in which the show faces.

I think that Smallville is just lucky that most of the CW's other shows do close to 1 mil worse than they do. However if you believe that Smallville should be judged the way a cable/satellite network show is; than yes, SV does primarilly fair.

[Rafael122]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
4.52 is bad by ANY standards even the ones that you mention:

1. A show that's been on for 6 years
2. A show that's on a network that does a VERY poor job executing marketing schemes.

(both points I entirely agree with btw)

I mean I understand that it's better to be positive about these things but anyone can say that any show's ratings are decent for the circumstances in which the show faces.

I think that Smallville is just lucky that most of the CW's other shows do close to 1 mil worse than they do. However if you believe that Smallville should be judged the way a cable/satellite network show is; than yes, SV does primarilly fair.

I disagree, how many television shows can say they maintain the same ratings they did in their 1st and 2nd season in their 5th or 6th season? A handful maybe?

I'm not surprised that ratings have gone down each season. It's natural. I'm just surprised at how low some of the ratings were for some of the episodes. Season 6 was too inconsistent for my tastes.

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by Rafael122
I disagree, how many television shows can say they maintain the same ratings they did in their 1st and 2nd season in their 5th or 6th season? A handful maybe?

Yeah about a handful. That doesn't mean that the ratings for SV still don't suck ass. Yes the truthful excuses that are behind the crappy ratings do factor in but theres no reason to ever think that ANYWHERE in the 4 mil range of viewers is a good or decent thing for any local network primetime show.

We know or have theories why the ratings are poor, you named a reason and Midgard Dragon named a couple as well.

Luckily for us all Smallville will get another season to hopefully use for a series finale. (assuming you want SV to return)

[Absolute Kingdom]

I think that one way to keep the ratings steady is to make the audience want more after the episode ends. In simple terms: episodic cliffhangers, like the one we had for the finale. Most successful shows like 24, Heroes and Lost do it all the time. It doesn't have to be something huge, but at least something exciting that will make you ask the question: what's gonna happen next?

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Haha! Promise TANKED Smallville! :lol:

It's pretty sad when any ep get's lower ratings then Subterranean, considering there was a month wait for the whole ONE episode and then another loooong break. Just goes to show CLANA kills Smallville's ratings yo. Everything was fine and dandy while LEXANA ruled the scene. EAT IT.

lol.

Promise actually did very well in the ratings and demographic ratings considering there was a 1 month break from it.

And if following eps didn't do as well after Promise, man it could've been the fact that Lexana ACTUALLY got married instead of Lana walking out on Lex.

People might like Clana when their together and NOT when Lana is married to Lex like Promise ended up being.

A strong hint of that was Al Gough kept repeating in his interviews that yeah, Lexana get married but in the next couple of eps the triangle will totally be turned upside down!! And even in the ep description for Phantom it said clearly that Lana leaves Lex.

It's like TPTB had to tell people in advance that Lexana will be over soon. :lol:

And sorry, Lexana cannot take the credit for the somewhat decent ratings for the first arc....that honor goes to Green Arrow since he was promoted in trailers and not Lexana.

[MidgardDragon]

4.52 is bad by ANY standards even the ones that you mention:


No, not really. Let's also add:

TV ratings have been down all around this year. And we've got a sure fire way to dip into the 4 mils. Trust me, worry when it stays in the 3 mil average. If you're worrying about 4 mil on the CW then you're worrying for nothing.

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
If you're worrying about 4 mil on the CW then you're worrying for nothing.

Nah I don't worry about ratings unless I find it's vital to a show's future (unlike the case with SV). No reason to worry about it on the CW. But of course thats the problem, the CW gets poor viewership ratings all around. Even with their top rated shows.

So while the 4 mil range doesn't put many of our CW shows at risk for returning, it's still very low. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter for many of us who generally only care about Smallville. Although it does at the same time make pretty much every show expendable.

4 million viewers is only widely accepted in a fairly positive manner when the show being rated is on a non-major network show. Which I think is pretty much making your point :D

I guess the CW isnt looked at as a major network seeing how it's not viewed in nearly as many places as the four major networks. In that light 4 mil is ok.

[jack1487]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Season 1 - Average - 6.41 million
Episode 21 - Tempest - 6 million


Season 2 - Average - 7.73 million
Episode 23 - Exodus - 7.5 million


Season 5 - Average - 5.32 million
Episode 22 - Vessel - 4.9 million


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3020164#post3020164

One thing is it seems not to many people are taking into consideration is before this season the show was being shown on the WB which had a lot more stations which allowed fans and other people to view the show.

The CW does not fall into even the WB's league when it comes to the amount of station's that are affiliated with it. Plus the lack of advertisement for this network is little to none existent whereas the WB placed ad's on busses billboards, tv (on more then there own network, plus magazine (like E, People and others). The only CW ad's that I have seen for it was only on the CW network stations nowhere else.


My 2cents,

Jack

[elroyofkrypton]

In theater, there is something called denouement, which is "the final outcome of the main dramatic complication in a literary work."

This is Smallville's weakness. Denouement comes after the climax of a dramatic plot, when all the air is let out of the play. After denouement, the audience leaves.

If Smallville wanted to keep its audience week to week, it would be wise to avoid denouement every week. Those meetings in the barn loft are dreadful. They drag. Wouldn't it be better if every show left you on the edge of your seat and kept you coming back for more?

Heroes does that, and several Smallville veterans are on staff there. TBTB should fix this problem with dramatic structure.

[Dannyblue1]

I just have to point out that you can't judge the CW's ratings by those of other networks.

On the CW, anything over 3 million viewers is considered pretty good. Not great but good. And, thing is, 3 million viewers was considered good by the WB too. True, the WB had a lot of dramas that did much better than that. But 3 million viewers was enough for a show to survive, and be considered successful, by the WB (and UPN).

Over 4 million viewers for the CW is considered really good. Any show that managed to average above 4 million viewers a season would be considered a bonafide success by the netlet.

Over 5 million viewers is awesome, which is why the CW loves America's Next Top Model so much.

So, in the grand scheme of things over at the CW, a show getting over 4 million viewers is nothing to sneeze at.

As far as SV goes, it isn't the numbers themselves that are the problem. It's the apparant trend they represent. In the second half of the season, SV lost a large chunk of it's audience. The question is why?

Many people point to the fact that television shows as a whole lost viewers this spring. Which is true. But, considering the general sense of fan dissatisfaction that seems to be floating around lately, I don't think it can be argued that the shows quality these last few months also played a part.

[ForgottenShadow]

CW: If you want higher ratings, please, please, please. MORE ACTION AND LESS LANA!

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I think that the CW knows that season 7 is the last and that the chances of getting NEW viewers is limited, they are probably focusing on other stuff and allowing Smallvilles "core" to sustain it.

[upsidedown]

Originally posted by Smallville's Oracle
Justice league seemed to be a popular episode.......maybe they can parlay that next year.
Justice was BAD, a hollow episode.:mad:

It felt rushed and without substance. It had one great shot, though (the V shape slow motion walk, :cool: ).

That helped the buzz and attract people back in.
But as they tuned in they also left for the rest of the season.
:\


Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
I think that the CW knows that season 7 is the last and that the chances of getting NEW viewers is limited, they are probably focusing on other stuff and allowing Smallvilles "core" to sustain it.
True. :(

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by upsidedown
Justice was BAD, a hollow episode.:mad:

It felt rushed and without substance. It had one great shot, though (the V shape slow motion walk, :cool: ).

Gotta disagree. I'm a long-time viewer who loved "Justice." It was just a good, fun, action/adventure episode. And, sometimes, that's all it takes.


That helped the buzz and attract people back in.
But as they tuned in they also left for the rest of the season.


The "buzz" on "Justice" did attract new and old viewers. And a lot of them liked that episode enough to stay for "Labyrinth," and even "Crimson." I spoke to a lot of people at that time who'd stopped watching the show, and they liked the episode enough to decide to start watching SV again.

I think any viewers SV lost after "Justice" can't be blamed on the episode. If anything, viewers left again because the following eps didn't hold to the "promise" (no pun intended) "Justice" offered up.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by upsidedown
Justice was BAD, a hollow episode.:mad:

It felt rushed and without substance. It had one great shot, though (the V shape slow motion walk, :cool: ).
Finally, someone who did not like 'Justice', so I am not alone....
Even 'the walk', I mean c'mon.....the special effect was cheap, and the whole glorification of these superherhoes......I dunno, too much Leni Riefenstahl for my taste.

[StrippedSmile]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Even 'the walk', I mean c'mon.....the special effect was cheap, and the whole glorification of these superherhoes......I dunno, too much Leni Riefenstahl for my taste. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm kind of wondering how much crap the actors got from their mates about it.

[upsidedown]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Even 'the walk', I mean c'mon.....the special effect was cheap, and the whole glorification of these superherhoes......I dunno, too much Leni Riefenstahl for my taste.
:rotfl: Wow! You are right!
:confused: How come I never participated of the KS/SV forum before? Looove it! :)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z271/andlovedaresyou/kripton/LeniRiefenstahl.jpg
Triumph of the Will (LeniRiefenstahl) :eek:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z271/andlovedaresyou/kripton/AsTriumph_of_the_Will.jpg
Justice / Star Wars (1977) :(

[kalelnica]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Smallville
- 4.139 million viewers
- 2.4/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.2/7 A18-34

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925/p/9

_______________________________


SEASON 6 Final Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.14*

* - Final

Season 6 Average - 4.52 million

they gained half a million viewers, they must have advertised or something?

[Rimmer66]

Originally posted by Dodden
With the steadily decreasing ratings, I don't expect anything spectacular.

Hell, it didn't even air in most densely populated part of Canada.

In Canada you should be able to catch Smallville on FOX, 10PM ET


Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
Yep the ratings suck majorly...that's not news. 4 mill is bad by ANY standards.

But at least now that Smallville has CW backed into a corner it can't be kicked off of the network.

A show with such ratings would never last on another network - I guess these types of ratings were common on WB, and I am disappointed with ratings, I think Season 6 was great ! I LOVED IT, the writing, the story line, the acting, Phantom was a GREAT episode, LOVED IT, very disappointed with the rating for Phantom..........Given the path the characters are taking and the story I would think ratings should be no lower than 4.5 and more often 5.0 !

Yes season 7 is renewed and season 8 is planned and I am fairly optimistic there will be a season 8 as well hoping the ratings don't decline below the 4.0. As to special effects, and the show's budget, I would not worry much about that, I do work in video editing and I know there are many shortcuts and tricks you can use without spending a bundle - it might be harder but when you have a creative team you can do miracles on a short budget. A few of my colleagues have made short films that blew me away on so much as a little budget. At this point I don't think people should worry about Season 7 :D You can have all the explosions and special effects you want, it's the story and how it is told and how you can keep your viewers at the edge of their seat and INTERESTED.... :)


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
With that dip into shake 3 mil territory between Combat and Phantom, I think this seasons ratings turned out better than some made them out to be. After all when it was doing great people sang it's praises, and when it was taking a dive people doomed it to obscurity. I think a 4.52 million average is great for a show that's been on the air for 6 years and is airing on a fledgling network that's made some admittedly horrid advertising mistakes.

That's what I like to read - couldn't agree more. I am however disappointed in the rating for some specific episode that deserved better :D but for an average for season 6 it is nothing to be worried about considering a show in its 6 seasons :D Look at The O.C. on FOX, it started out with double the ratings of Smallville and kept good ratings - The show BARELY made it to 4 seasons and the series was allowed to end - I think people should be thankful Smallville lasted 6 years and can average a 4.5 on its 6, higher than now canceled shows on FOX in their last season :)

[AngelaV]

Originally posted by Dodden
With the steadily decreasing ratings, I don't expect anything spectacular.

Hell, it didn't even air in most densely populated part of Canada.

If you watch on A-Channel, the show was moved to Friday at 8pm (at least in my area the GTA). There was a movie on the Thursday night instead. WHY they'd move the finale to a day later for a dumb movie is very weird!

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by Rimmer66
1A show with such ratings would never last on another network - I guess these types of ratings were common on WB, and I am disappointed with ratings, I think Season 6 was great ! I LOVED IT, the writing, the story line, the acting, Phantom was a GREAT episode, LOVED IT, very disappointed with the rating for Phantom..........Given the path the characters are taking and the story I would think ratings should be no lower than 4.5 and more often 5.0 !

Me too


Yes season 7 is renewed and season 8 is planned and I am fairly optimistic there will be a season 8 as well hoping the ratings don't decline below the 4.0.

I am however disappointed in the rating for some specific episode that deserved better :D but for an average for season 6 it is nothing to be worried about considering a show in its 6 seasons :D

Here's some news from Reuters about ratings which confirms what I had been saying since the drop after Justice:

Many of the top shows -- from ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" to Fox's "American Idol" to CBS' "CSI" -- saw their ratings drop in the spring.

Prompted this month by questions from NBC, Nielsen began an investigation into the factors that could have led to the slide. Nielsen's probe is almost complete, but in the meantime the company has discovered several things.

"DVRs appear to be the largest factor in that," said Pat McDonough, Nielsen senior vp planning policy and analysis.

But there are other factors in Nielsen's early findings, among them the difference between an Olympic year (2006) and a non-Olympic year (2007) as well as a higher number of repeat programs this spring than in previous years

It wasn't just SV that took a ratings dive - it was EVERY show on every station. It wasn't a one-time dive but a steady decline. Idiotic assumptions that Clana, Lexana or Clexana over superhero action was the reason for loss of viewers simply isn't the case. If relationships were the cause for viewer loss, SV wouldn't have lasted 3 seasons.

I happen to think that season 6 was the best in years. When American Idol, 24, Ugly Betty, Grey's Anatomy and CSI begin losing viewers in unison, it's more than simply bad plot lines.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
lol.

Promise actually did very well in the ratings and demographic ratings considering there was a 1 month break from it.

And if following eps didn't do as well after Promise, man it could've been the fact that Lexana ACTUALLY got married instead of Lana walking out on Lex.
There was no Lexana after Promise, it was all Clana, so Lexana can't be blamed for the ratings there ;) There was definitely a lot of Clana, the kiss in Promise, their touching in Nemesis, Noir with the Clana kiss in the trailer, the almost kiss from Prototype, the kiss in Phantom. And episodes still consistently lost more and more viewers every week after Promise. You can't blame that on the shippy Lexana they were portraying :lol:

It was clear that Lana only married Lex our of love for Clark, I remember all the squeeing from Clana fans over it. Now suddenly the low ratings are down to Clana fans not liking Promise?


And sorry, Lexana cannot take the credit for the somewhat decent ratings for the first arc....that honor goes to Green Arrow since he was promoted in trailers and not Lexana.
Oh I agree with that, I don't believe that ships are as big a factor as the CW would like to think. But hey at least Wither and Static didn't lose viewers. The audience was staying consistent early on, and with Justice there was the chance of the audience rising. But then the network and the writers decided to let soap opera take over the show instead. The ratings graph makes it clear that Clana did absolutely nothing to help ratings, proving wrong the long-held claim that season 5's early success was all down to Clana, and bringing it back in season 6 would see Promise gain even more viewers than Justice. Instead Smallville actually lost viewers from what it did to the characters in order to force Clana back into the show


I know full well that if ratings had of risen for any episode after Promise, it would be said to be down to Clana. (If Nemesis got good ratings, it would of course solely be down to the Clana from the trailers. Ditto if Noir did well, the Clana kiss from the trailers would be the only reason ratings rose). Shippers can't have it both ways, and blame the nonexistent Lexana for the poorer than expected ratings.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Naomi
There was no Lexana after Promise, it was all Clana, so Lexana can't be blamed for the ratings there ;) There was definitely a lot of Clana, the kiss in Promise, their touching in Nemesis, Noir with the Clana kiss in the trailer, the almost kiss from Prototype, the kiss in Phantom. And episodes still consistently lost more and more viewers every week after Promise. You can't blame that on the shippy Lexana they were portraying :lol:

Clana barely existed in season 6! There were 14 scenes in all of the season combined! And the fact that Lana ended up marrying Lex, living with him, viewers thinking she was pregnant with his spawn......why would casual viewers that like happy Clana in season 5, want to watch all of that angsty crap?

I had the same debate with another poster in the spoiler section a couple of weeks ago. And her argument was that romance doesn't increase ratings. And here what she and what I said.



Originally posted by liana
I don't think ANY romance would raise the rating. In fact, I think more Superman mythos would, as it has already done countless times. It usually works like that: superman mythos episodes raise the ratings, romantic drama drops it again. No ship, be it clana, chlark or Lois and Clark will raise ratings. If you just look at ratings in the past, you will see that pattern repeated over and over again.



Romance especially Clana heavy eps did well before in the ratings. Season 3's highest rated ep was Slumber(6.9 million) and it was heavily promoted with Clana skinny dipping in the trailer. Relic (6.7 million) also did very well in the ratings.

I won't argue with you that GUEST super heros do well in the ratings, but it doesn't necessariliy mean all eps with Superman mythos does well. Legacy (4.5 million) with Christopher Reeves didn't do anything special for the ratings.

And Season 1 and 2 which didn't have gimmick super hero guest stars and focused a lot on Clana actually had the highest overall ratings for this show.

These are the average season ratings from season 1 to 6

Season 1 (2001-2002): 6.41 million
Season 2 (2002-2003): 7.78 million
Season 3 (2003-2004): 5.63 million
Season 4 (2004-2005): 5.03 million
Season 5 (2005-2006): 5.32 million
Season 6 (2006-2007): 4.65 million





That's why Acqua was the episode with highest ratings in season 5. Same happened with Run, and Justice and with the first introduction of Lois Lane, in season 4, to name a few. The Green Arrow Arch, this season, and the promise of Clark going back to his path to being a hero brought a lot of viewers back too, however when the show started to focus again on romantic drama, ratings dropped again.



Actually season 4 with the introduction of Lois Lane didn't do as well as season 5.

And Run did well in the ratings 5.4 but so did Spell 5.5 million.

You made some good points regarding Super hero guest stars increasing the ratings but eps that focused on romance has done well in the past so i don't agree with your opinion there.

I think that the going back and forth and heavy on the angst and no payoff for Clana hurt the ratings.

I also think ratings reflect the overall theme of the season. If audience members are feeling the storylines then they'd make sure they watched the show.




It was clear that Lana only married Lex our of love for Clark, I remember all the squeeing from Clana fans over it. Now suddenly the low ratings are down to Clana fans not liking Promise?

Promise did well in the ratings considering there was a 4 week break before it. It did well in the demos which the networks prize above all else. That's how they make their money.

That said, most online fans read spoilers, so we knew a lot of what was going to happen to the triangle. Casual viewers don't .

So while, online fans may have loved the ep, casual fans might not have liked the direction of Lana actually going through the marriage even though it's to protect Clark. And they were kind of right because Lana stayed with Lex all up until the season finale.

[Mandini]

Originally posted by LegendaryU2K
The CW needs to promote thier show more, simple as that. We as fans can only do so much, the cw or whoever is in charge needs to make sure smallville is aired everywhere.

I agree! When fall comes around, on all the talk shows you see actors showing up talking about whats coming up on their shows, don't see much from any Smallville cast at that time. They need to get out there and make people aware of the show. Once they see one episode and see the quality, it will then get more viewers.

Also, with the whole "romance" adding ratings... I don't think so. Most of the true hard core Smallville fans are Superman fans. Hero fans, JLA and DC comic fans. We want to see Clark progress with his powers, sticking more to the actual story of Superman rather than this alternate life for him. Come on now, we all know in actuallualty Lana and Clark aren't meant to be. I would like to see more with Lois and Clark.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Smallville (season finale)
- 4.014 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Link to Ratings (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925)

_________________________________________________

SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.01

* - Final

Anyone remember when the "CW" emerged in place of the WB and the other channel?

I wonder how much the declining ratings were due to the new network launch and not a real drop off in viewers.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Haha! Promise TANKED Smallville! :lol:

It's pretty sad when any ep get's lower ratings then Subterranean, considering there was a month wait for the whole ONE episode and then another loooong break. Just goes to show CLANA kills Smallville's ratings yo. Everything was fine and dandy while LEXANA ruled the scene. EAT IT.

I think a LOT of the viewers are sick and tired of the whole Clana thing. I know I quit watching from the beginning of season three until season 5 because of it.

I think bringing back Clana is killing the show personally and the earlier episodes with the Green Arrow, M. Manhunter, etc, had people excited again. This Clana "stuff" needs to end if they expect the show to attract those who want to see SUPERMAN in his early years and not some gawd-awful version of Dawson's Creek.

[JEWCY]

^^

i think people could think the opposite of what you state. Clana could equal ratings. I think most people who consider themselves the casual viewer want to see this relationship happen, and on this board, it seems less than half.

Look at the ratings though. The last episode to be in the high 4's was Promise and maybe people saw that since Lex married Lana, the Clana was over and thus leading into some of the smallest numbers watched for Smallville in the following episodes.

Season six was a low rated season possibly because in the beginning, Clark and Lana were not on good terms at all, but there were signs of hope in the middle of the season when he admitted in Crimson he still wanted her and so on.

I expect them to jump back up if they get together next season. People turn into dramas to see relationships happen, and with Lana knowing the secret know, I think it will happen and more viewers will get the satisfaction they have been waiting for since the show premiered.

[Rafael122]

Granted Smallville is a different genre than most TV shows, but ratings usually start declining when a show enters the "post-high school" phase don't they?

[Die Clana! Die]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Smallville (season finale)
- 4.014 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Link to Ratings (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925)

_________________________________________________

SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*
Phantom............4.01

* - Final

I can't believe people are still bying into the myth of ratings. :rolleyes:

Ratings are not real. They are hypothetical guesses, designed to draw in advertising money. They are not backed up by any real numbers and/or facts.

[MidgardDragon]

Die Clana Die, there *are* real ratings. They're based on both surveys and "Nielsen Boxes" which are attached to some TV's. The problem with ratings isn't that they don't exist, it's that only a limited number of people get to participate in ratings and there's no way to know how many people are really watching a show since not everyone owns these boxes or participates in these surveys.

Basically, if it happens that a majority of those with Nielsen boxes aren't watching a certain show, even though most of the rest of the world is, then the whole reason for ratings goes out the window and there's really no point in paying attention to them.

But again, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

[bizzaroboy9]

hi is the final rating either 4.01 or 4.14? im confused lol