Great Writing. Make Superman a Murderer.

[Rey-El]

We ALL know Superman doesn't kill and if Im not mistaken he just shot that poor innocent man who couldn't control his action in the chest with heat vision at full blast...Come'on!

If this isn't a declaration of suck then I don't know what is. Smallville has really fallen to its lowest point.

[Mischael12]

Get over it, Superman doesn't kill those who can't handle it, and if he has a choice he doesn't.

In Clarks position he really didn't have a choice but to stop him the best way he could.

As well its not like CLark intentionally set out to kill him.

[Rey-El]

He didnt try to reason with him either.

[Mischael12]

Lois tried reasoning with him, and it failed. He was already gone through.

[man of steel37013]

lets not start whining here people, clark did what he had to do and he never meant to kill Wes

[Rey-El]

Superman has more powers than anyone...Off the top of my head I can think of atleast 5 ways he could have stopped that dude without blowing a whole in his chest.

[hemmy]

Exactly, man of steel. People always find something to whine about.

*edit* Please name them

Did you not watch earlier when Chloe said it took a nuke-sized blast just to get past their protective shield?

[man of steel37013]

maybe he thought his heat vision would disable his force field

[myankskent]

You can't get on Clark for this. It was either him or the Keenan, one was going to die. Plus, what Clark did was defend himself. Keenan was coming at him with a knife, what exactly was Clark suppose to do?

[Poyntz]

A knife wouldnt of hurt clark so having a knife wasnt a big threat.

[Kid Collins]

Wes has the strength to kill Clark. So it's kill or be killed.

[xrayvision]

Blame the writers for putting him in a crap situation again. It's a mockery that Clark can't kill Lex when he has superpowers and Zod is about to be unleashed but kills someone who wasn't as big a threat as Zod.

[warriorrenegade]

Exactly. He had the strenght of Titan, Clark said as much. "I never felt anything like that since I went up against Titan" or something to that effect.

I read somewhere someone saying Superman has killed countless times. When all options are exhausted. Usually its alien beings hell bent of desrtruction and mayhem. Doomsday comes to mind. Who else, anyone?

[Ardiem3]

Hmm well gee, when someone is about to tackle you to harm/kill you, i think its all in the right to try all in your power to protect yourself and thats what Clark did. He did not try and kill him by any means, just to stop him.

[SuperSONICK]

Maybe there's a way to brush this off like Clark didn't kill anyone to keep his kill count at 0, so far. Like when he punched Titan and made him accidently land on his own arm sword thing and die, could we say Clark blew the force field open but the blast, or whatever you want to call it, killed him, not the blow from the heat vision?

[God-Man]

This isn't the first time Clark has accidentally killed one of his villains. Sadly, I'm not suprised Clark killed Wes. And he didn't even fight Wes for that long. Clark just went straight for the heat vision.

[Mr.]

i just think that Superman is actually not that great besides the fact that a lil rock can kill him (but never really kills him).

he is always getting thrown like 30 ft in the air with one punch...
in the scene where the prototype is killed. Superman gets hit, didnt even use xray vision to find West, thrown 30ft in the air lands stares at a random point. Luckily finds West going at him to kill him in mid air and just gives a really mean glare that throws fire and boom the guy is dead.

..... no comments :d

[Ginx]

Originally posted by myankskent
You can't get on Clark for this. It was either him or the Keenan, one was going to die. Plus, what Clark did was defend himself. Keenan was coming at him with a knife, what exactly was Clark suppose to do?

I agree.

And once again - this is not Superman - it's Superman-in-Training as in Clark is on the way to becoming Superman and so he's still not got everything down yet - he hasn't even finished his training yet. He's still on a learning curve. ;)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Mr.
i just think that Superman is actually not that great besides the fact that a lil rock can kill him (but never really kills him).

he is always getting thrown like 30 ft in the air with one punch...
in the scene where the prototype is killed. Superman gets hit, didnt even use xray vision to find West, thrown 30ft in the air lands stares at a random point. Luckily finds West going at him to kill him in mid air and just gives a really mean glare that throws fire and boom the guy is dead.

..... no comments :d

I expected him to use x-ray vision to find him. If he killed him after really attempting to stop him all other ways, I wouldn't be so against it. I think the episode focused too much on Lois' relationship with Wes rather than Clark vs. Wes, which is what I was expecting. Again shipping is made more important than action scenes. :mad:

[I_am_LEX]

yeah... actually... the forcefield protected wes from the heat vision and he didnt die from the heat vision itself, he dies because it caused an error in his programming or whatever Lex did to him. so you could say clark was indirectly responsible for wes's death but you can blame lex too. i wouldnt say Clark killed him, he stopped him and in doing so the effect caused a problem with wes and then he died... so alright

[Deana]

Originally posted by myankskent
You can't get on Clark for this. It was either him or the Keenan, one was going to die. Plus, what Clark did was defend himself. Keenan was coming at him with a knife, what exactly was Clark suppose to do? The knife was kryptonite laced?

Or did Keenan's power make it possible for him to stab Clark? :confused:

[Ginx]

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
yeah... actually... the forcefield protected wes from the heat vision and he didnt die from the heat vision itself, he dies because it caused an error in his programming or whatever Lex did to him. so you could say clark was indirectly responsible for wes's death but you can blame lex too. i wouldnt say Clark killed him, he stopped him and in doing so the effect caused a problem with wes and then he died... so alright

Way to think things through! :D So in a way....Clark saved Wes.

[Ilovebeinglost]

The guy was no longer human, More machine than human. He killed Titan and felt badly about it too so I guess you are saying that he shouldn't kill the phantoms and allow them to kill all the humans they want?

Superman never had to deal with freaks like this. In the movies didn't he just deal with bad human guys with no powers?

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Blame the writers for putting him in a crap situation again. It's a mockery that Clark can't kill Lex when he has superpowers and Zod is about to be unleashed but kills someone who wasn't as big a threat as Zod.

yessssss....
it was a poor fight and clearly a mis match no matter how much Clark thought Wes was Titan like.

[SuperSONICK]

YAY I am Lex! I have someone that agrees with me. Clark's kill count is still at zero.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
The guy was no longer human, More machine than human. He killed Titan and felt badly about it too so I guess you are saying that he shouldn't kill the phantoms and allow them to kill all the humans they want?

Superman never had to deal with freaks like this. In the movies didn't he just deal with bad human guys with no powers?

I wouldn't say he killed Titan. I think Titan died as a result of using his blade and landing the wrong way after receiving the uppercut. He played with fire & got burnt, not Clark's fault.

In this case, Clark fought someone who had no control of his own body while in that state and didn't resort to other means before blasting him with heatvision.

And heatvision did kill him. They mentioned a mini nuke is what killed the soldier in the desert that Ollie encountered. I think the heatvision Clark delivered was very concentrated and had the strength of the fire of a much bigger nuke.

[wolverine316]

Oh brother. Stop the whining. In the comics Supes has killed many times. When Clark is put in a no win situation when his life is in jeopardy its kill or be killed.

[McTurbo]

look at it this way.. superman has to have a reason not to kill as he does... maybe the show is showing him in his earlier teen angst and rage days where it was harder for him to control his emotions... (all of 6 seasons worth)

maybe he will learn that lesson soon and we will all find out here soon why superman goes out of his way not to kill his opponents. (smallville style)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Deana
The knife was kryptonite laced?

Or did Keenan's power make it possible for him to stab Clark? :confused:

My guess is that his powers would've enabled him to stab Clark. Clark said that he thought that Keenan was strong like Titan. Perhaps Clark could've moved out of the way from Keenan rather than zapping him with the heat vision, but I think the point was that Clark was protecting himself and he didn't mean to kill him. When someone dies on this show from Clark's powers, it's always going to be a sticky situation. That's the bottom line, the villain has to die somehow and he can't just kill himself all of the time which is basically what Titan did.

[Mischael12]

The mini-nuke broke through the force field.

As well remember they slowed things down for us to see, but at the speed keenan was moving, it at the least equaled Clarks. As well since Keenan showed strength enough to send Clark flying back like that, and in a confrontation of Clark against a seasoned Soldier...I'd go with the soldier.

[Chlark Kent]

As soon as it happened I thought, "I can't wait to see the Superman doesn't kill" thread.

1. Clark isn't Superman.
2. Superman doesn't kill humans. Super-alien hybrids are on their own.

[Deana]

Originally posted by Chlark Kent
1. Clark isn't Superman.

Superman is really Elvis.

[BWOracle]

I don't think Clark realized how powerful his heat vision was going to be. He focused because he knew the the JL needed alot of power to defeat the other prototype. IMO he had a very surprised look on his face.

[ScottM1956]

Originally posted by Rey-El
We ALL know Superman doesn't kill and if Im not mistaken he just shot that poor innocent man who couldn't control his action in the chest with heat vision at full blast...Come'on!

If this isn't a declaration of suck then I don't know what is. Smallville has really fallen to its lowest point.

How can you kill a DEAD guy. The guy DIED in Afghanistan. Lex thru the miracle of science brought him back and was controlling him

[jazzylg]

In the comics, Darkseid called Superman's heat vision, his best weapon! Wes never stood a chance. Clark just doesn't realize how powerful his heat vision is, thus, wes got nuked!

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by man of steel37013
lets not start whining here people, clark did what he had to do and he never meant to kill Wes

:lol:

This is KryptonSite. Asking people not to whine here, is liking asking them not to breathe.

Not that I don't agree with your stance but trust me you will never stop people from whining.

[elway]

Hell I was calling out for the heat vision after they first fought.

[SeaNymph]

Clark didn't do it on purpose. Obviously, he felt horrible about it afterwards. The guy was DANGEROUS. He had to be stopped.

It seemed like it was better for Wes that he died though. He didn't want to be controlled.

[MidgardDragon]

It was better for Wes that he died. I wonder what Superman's policy on mercy killing is? There has to be some comic where it was dealt with, surely? If not it sounds like one ripe for some mature artists and writers to take over. It would be a huge conflict for him, I imagine. Considering that it's possible to actually help someone by killing them, but Superman doesn't approve of killing unless there is absolutely no other way, then I imagine it would be quite the conundrum. But right now Clark's just Clark, not Superman. If Wes was better off dead than alive, and I imagine Wes had already made that decision based on what he was being used for, then I think it would be an easy choice. The only real problem with the scenario is that it wasn't discussed, but there is not time in a 40-something minute TV show for every discussion so often things are overlooked to make time. It's not a big deal considering the guy was a drone, though. He was one notch above a robot, and was technically already dead and just having his body used (did it even still have a soul? Is a soul necessary for memories to be retrieved? Who knows?)

[jepn30]

Originally posted by SuperSONICK
Maybe there's a way to brush this off like Clark didn't kill anyone to keep his kill count at 0, so far. Like when he punched Titan and made him accidently land on his own arm sword thing and die, could we say Clark blew the force field open but the blast, or whatever you want to call it, killed him, not the blow from the heat vision?

Now you're being silly.

[All about Clark]

My question is, was the guy even stopable without killing him, it didn't seem likely. I didn't see any other option for Clark, the guy was obviously killing people and he wasn't in control of himself. I think Wes greatly appreciated that he wouldn't be used as a killing machine anymore.

And it's quite possible that Clark thought of frying the guys mechanical circuits, and that his other powers would protect him. And it did almost seem like it was Wes' choice to die. At that point, who knows how much control he had.

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by Rey-El
We ALL know Superman doesn't kill and if Im not mistaken he just shot that poor innocent man who couldn't control his action in the chest with heat vision at full blast...Come'on!

If this isn't a declaration of suck then I don't know what is. Smallville has really fallen to its lowest point.

Wes had the ability to kill Clark so Clark did the only thing he could and defended himself. Sadly he ended up killing Wes but that was Lex's fault, not Clark's

[Ultron]

No offense, but if a man comes at me with a knife....

I have no problem with Clark using lethal force to protect himself and Lois from someone _clearly_ as powerful as Clark and with the intent to kill. What if Clark was too soft and got killed? Lois would be next, and whatever else Lex has plans for Ares.

[ClarksNextGF]

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
yeah... actually... the forcefield protected wes from the heat vision and he didnt die from the heat vision itself, he dies because it caused an error in his programming or whatever Lex did to him. so you could say clark was indirectly responsible for wes's death but you can blame lex too. i wouldnt say Clark killed him, he stopped him and in doing so the effect caused a problem with wes and then he died... so alright

Excellent Summary !!!
1. Clark knew that Wes had a force-shield.
2. Wes tried to kill Lois, and was in the process of trying to kill Clark.
3. Clark knew he didn't have alot of time, and had to protect Lois.
4. Clark was using his heat vision to try and break through the force-shield, so that he could stop Wes.
5. Wes's brian fried as a result of the programming Lex did - did anyone notice all the pain he was in when he was "re-programmed" by the satelite?

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Lazy writing.

Clark has defeated Kryptonians, zoners, phantoms, blah, blah, blah...

He had no other choice than to "kill" Wes?
Did he even try anything else ?

This is not the only person Clark has killed, the body count is getting up there and its time to stop.

I am just disappointed with the writing, it seems they take the "easy" way out all the time.

[Timester]

Superman is about the third option. He ALWAYS find a way to stop the villians without killing them.

And about the BS that Superman killed alot in the comics. He killed only ONCE, and it was the pocket-universe Zod, after this have destroyed pocket-Earth. And even the writers regretted of ever doing it, sending Clark on an exile to deep space.

I agree with the "lazy writing".

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Timester
Superman is about the third option. He ALWAYS find a way to stop the villians without killing them.

And about the BS that Superman killed alot in the comics. He killed only ONCE, and it was the pocket-universe Zod, after this have destroyed pocket-Earth. And even the writers regretted of ever doing it, sending Clark on an exile to deep space.

I agree with the "lazy writing".

The whole point of having almost omni-potent powers IS to find the 3rd option like you said.
Clark is powerful enough and smart enough ( regardless of what the writers make him out to be) to find away.
They just don't do it.

[kazek]

Originally posted by Chlark Kent
As soon as it happened I thought, "I can't wait to see the Superman doesn't kill" thread.

1. Clark isn't Superman.
2. Superman doesn't kill humans. Super-alien hybrids are on their own.

Hey, but some part of Wes was human. The funny thing about that is Clark felt no remorse whatsoever and yet when he killed Titan (who was 110% alien btw) he was so full of it......

How do u explain that.... ? Huh ?

[nickyjean_1]

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
yeah... actually... the forcefield protected wes from the heat vision and he didnt die from the heat vision itself, he dies because it caused an error in his programming or whatever Lex did to him. so you could say clark was indirectly responsible for wes's death but you can blame lex too. i wouldnt say Clark killed him, he stopped him and in doing so the effect caused a problem with wes and then he died... so alright

I agree..

I don't think clark killed Wes.. I think he broke the force field and hurt him.. then I remember Wes gabbing about protocals etc.. my husband and I thought he was going to blow up.. I really believe it was a shut down process that killed him so he wouldn't fight past the point of salvagible use.. jmo..

[jimmyolsenblues]

okay but in superman canon, villians have died trying to fight superman, and superman used his powers to defend himself, and during the battle the villian does die.
not like he killed him on purpose.

[kazek]

Originally posted by nickyjean_1
I agree..

I don't think clark killed Wes.. I think he broke the force field and hurt him.. then I remember Wes gabbing about protocals etc.. my husband and I thought he was going to blow up.. I really believe it was a shut down process that killed him so he wouldn't fight past the point of salvagible use.. jmo..

There is nothing like Clark hitting him half half....

Clark hit him with full force to equal a nuclear blast so he knew what he was doing.... It was murder.....

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Didn't Superman kill Doomsday?

[Timester]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Didn't Superman kill Doomsday?

He stopped Doomsday. It was a "until-the-death" fight because, one, the JLA was destroyed earlier by Doomsday, two, Doomsday was in Metropolis. And Clark tried every single trick to stop Doomsday.

It's lazy writing that Smallville Clark gave up so easily and went for the "easy" way.

[hanemg]

Originally posted by Timester
Superman is about the third option. He ALWAYS find a way to stop the villians without killing them.

And about the BS that Superman killed alot in the comics. He killed only ONCE, and it was the pocket-universe Zod, after this have destroyed pocket-Earth. And even the writers regretted of ever doing it, sending Clark on an exile to deep space.

I agree with the "lazy writing".
I completely agree and I think that the reason for a lot of this type of writing is the unfortunate tendancy of people today to be blase' about killing. All the big comic characters today kill and every one cheers them on. I was browsing through a comics forum the other day and ran across a thread talking about the "biggest" villain in comics. I laughed out loud when I read one post where the poster stated that he thought Wolverine should have been added to list because when you thought about it he had probably murdered more people than all of the others put together.

I still remember the line from "Kingdom Come" where Magog states "They chose the hero who would kill over the one who wouldn't and look what it got them..."

Superman isn't Superman because of his powers or his costume, but because of his character. Developmentally speaking you've already developed your character long before you get to the age Clark supposedly is now, so yeah, he is already Superman. His mom just hasn't made his suit yet.

There are plenty of super powered individuals in comics. The thing that makes "Superman" marketable is his personal character including his ideals and inspiration. I know it's just a TV show, but if you're not going to stick to the character of the person the show is about and what sold it as a show to begin with then why bother?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Originally posted by Timester
He stopped Doomsday. It was a "until-the-death" fight because, one, the JLA was destroyed earlier by Doomsday, two, Doomsday was in Metropolis. And Clark tried every single trick to stop Doomsday.

It's lazy writing that Smallville Clark gave up so easily and went for the "easy" way.

Really? I never read the one where Supe dies. I thought I might find it too depressing.

[petewillreturn]

If he didn’t kill Wes then Wes would have murdered Lois and Clark would have been part of that for not defending her.

[Mischael12]

The doomsday death, is (SPOILERS)


They both struck each other, SUperman using two hands, and doomsday using one if i remember correctly.

[nickyjean_1]

I do agree that this was lazy writing.. but the idea that Clark murdered him isn't something I see.. I realize that clark did something really powerful and dangerous by burning through the field w/ a nuclear powered heat vision.. but that's all it did.. Chloe said that it took that kind of power to get through the force field not to kill or contain the other guy they were stopping.. I can't remember if the GA gang killed their "target" but they only mentioned getting past the field..

It's bad writing and there's no denying it.. but do I thinking that Clark protecting himself to the best of his ability knowing that it might kill the guy.. I mean it's always a possiblity that clark can kill someone but in this case, not really (because with all the krypton powers Clark could have survived it so there was a chance not an absolute).. Do I think in any way that Clark used excessive force, no...

This is why I'm so sure it was a shut down program that it was more important that the 'asset' be preserved then the mission be completed.. bc Lex was already on top of extraction and already had back ups.. showing to me that the asset itself was disposable..

[kazek]

Originally posted by petewillreturn
If he didn’t kill Wes then Wes would have murdered Lois and Clark would have been part of that for not defending her.

Clark/Superman is all about looking for the best alternative. He's supposed to think things through. That's what the fuss is all about......Lazy writing, as previously stated.

[shanemak]

I read someone else say that Clark could have easily moved out of the way of Wes coming at him, so he would'nt have to fry him. Well, that's obviously true, but in reality what's Clark gonna do, run away from Wes forever? C'mon, Lois was still in there. If he would have ran away, he'd be feeding Lois to the lions. What kind of Superman runs away and let's innocents get killed? Right, Clark did exactly what he had to to stop Wes.

[Kal-alien]

Umm... I hate always being the one who says this. Clark Isn't Superman yet. Yes, Superman DOesn't Kill. But a tempermental Teen/twentysomething who has not completed his training and has still not become fully aware of his abilities.

Plus, Wes wanted to die, He didn't want to be a weapon used at a rich maniac's whim. He saw what he had become, and lacked the will to keep going. After Watching terminal patients loose the will to live and die, i know that this happens.

[bobser]

The Superman mythos needs Clark in these types of situations, with villains/bad guys this powerful/competent, more often.

Good episode and good writing.

[Kal-alien]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I wouldn't say he killed Titan. I think Titan died as a result of using his blade and landing the wrong way after receiving the uppercut. He played with fire & got burnt, not Clark's fault.

In this case, Clark fought someone who had no control of his own body while in that state and didn't resort to other means before blasting him with heatvision.

And heatvision did kill him. They mentioned a mini nuke is what killed the soldier in the desert that Ollie encountered. I think the heatvision Clark delivered was very concentrated and had the strength of the fire of a much bigger nuke.


No the Nuke is what got through the forcefeild, as they said in the show.

[hanemg]

Originally posted by bobser
The Superman mythos needs Clark in these types of situations, with villains/bad guys this powerful/competent, more often.

Good episode and good writing.
Are you kidding? The comics features characters that could eat these kypto-villains for breakfast on a regular basis and as for the movies, Superman II at least featured villains much more powerful than any we've seen on Smallville except for the Kryptonians themselves.

Timester had it right, one of the defining characteristics of Superman is that he tries to find that third option. It's what makes him stand out from the rank and file of "heroes" who take the easy way out.

[bobser]

^^^In recent times, not so much.

Superman needs a better rogues gallery and more villains on his level. This goes all the way to Smallville to the next Superman movie.

Just watch. I'll bet the farm's back 40 that most of what you will see in the ads for the next Superman movie will feature one thing; a huge villain that likely outpowers, or is at least equal, to Clark.

There is a better kryptonite. It's called more powerful villains and creative writing.

[Timester]

Originally posted by bobser
^^^In recent times, not so much.

Superman needs a better rogues gallery and more villains on his level. This goes all the way to Smallville to the next Superman movie.

Just watch. I'll bet the farm's back 40 that most of what you will see in the ads for the next Superman movie will feature one thing; a huge villain that likely outpowers, or is at least equal, to Clark.

There is a better kryptonite. It's called more powerful villains and creative writing.

Uh? :confused:

The comics is full of super-powered beings at Clark's level and he doesn't go rampage killing them.

Has anyone forgot that Clark has super-breathing and super-speed? It seems so.

[Mischael12]

Apparently the writers have.

[MidgardDragon]

Well, as is my usual opinion to Clark (not Superman) taking out a bad guy without going crazy killing-machine on him (does anyone think Clark knew for sure his heat vision was gonna kill this guy? why would he know that since the guy was obviously pretty equal to him?) - I really just don't care. If we start seeing vigilante Clark killing on purpose then call me and I'll give you my own personal whiny opinion, 'til then. boohoo.

[blackcelebration]

The biggest problem of today's episode was the fact that Clark saw using his heat vision as the only alternative. Not once did he try & reason with the guy. E.g. use his super breath to take the guy away from him or Superspeed to avoid the guy (EX RAY VISION!!!)

Clark also knew through Lois that The Protype still had a conscence because first it did not kill Lois. Second yes the Prototype isn't human & did die but so did Cyborg & yet Clark was able to help him.

OK Clark isn't Superman. But made him Superman was the princibles that he was raised up with thanks supposedly by Johnathan & Martha!! THEY TAUGHT HIM TO ALWAYS LOOK TO OTHER WAYS EXCEPT KILLING!!!

Actually The Prototype was no threat to Clark, yes he had Titan's strength but look what Clark did to Titan!!!

Yes he could go invisible but Clark has X-RAY VISION (AKA bad writing)

Clark could have at the moment grabbed it or deflected it (SUPERBREATH) or avoided it (SUPERSPEED) & then warned the Prototype that there was no way it would win!!!

But there was no reasoning he just struck, maybe not knowing it would kill him but intentionally wanting to injure someone THIS ISN'T SUPERMAN BEHAVIOUR OR HOW HE WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE KENT FARM!!!

What everyone has to remember when dealing with Superman is that he stands for TRUTH & JUSTICE BUT HE IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!!

This is the huge difference between Superman & Batman & why in the comics they don't get along because whilst Batman may feel that the actions justify the needs & will feel he needs to go above the law. Superman though will always want there to be an alternative to simply ending someone's life because SUPERMAN REPRESENTS EVERYONE, he is the person who saves cats from trees (SUPERMAN THE MOVIE) & takes care of the local bully (SUPERMAN II) he doesn't just stop guys who want to destroy the world he helps everyday people like you & me!!!!

And no this isn't Jor-El training THIS IS HOW HE WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE KENT FARM & YES EVEN ON SMALLVILLE!!!

Actually in the films & Smallville Jor-El was against Superman revealing himself & advised him that he couldn't save everybody but he tries anyhow because of HOW HE WAS RAISED AT THE KENT FARM!!!

So I advise that people really look into the comics & films & actually study the Superman character (even his Smallville years) before condoning Smallville's KILLERMAN as 'Oh well he isn't Superman yet so it's ok!!!

NO IT'S NOT!!!

COS THE KENT'S DIDN'T RAISE HIM THAT WAY!!!!

[Krypton935]

It was self defense anyone would do the same thing. Wes could have killed Clark then went after the rest of the world. Clark had no other choice.

[blackcelebration]

Originally posted by Krypton935
It was self defense anyone would do the same thing. Wes could have killed Clark then went after the rest of the world. Clark had no other choice.

Sorry but Wes posed Clark zero threat.

Everytime Clark has faced a Krypto freak the fight goes as followed...

Krypto Freak uses power Clark is hurt for one second then hits Krypto Freak who gets knocked out & then ends up in Belle Reeve.

Actually what people need to realise is that other than Kryptonite & by theory a being as powerful as Superman (Yes Doomsday killed Superman but later he came back!!!) NOTHING CAN KILL HIM!!!

Did Clark ever even think about walking through the sheild yes it would hurt but NOT KILL HIM!!!

Actually the biggest threat Clark has faced in Smallville are his fellow Kryptonian's & even then it could be argued whether or not they could kill him (Watch Superman II where he fights to a stand still with THREE Kryptonian's)!!!

And before people say Titan look at what Clark did to that guy with not even 1% of his potential!!!

Admittingly he is yet to have any training & may not know this knowledge but... his moral upbringing at the Kent s would have made his action towards Wes a last resort!!!

AKA LAZY WRITING!!!!

And how was Clark gonna die A KNIFE???

Sorry but the only difference between this FREAK & others was that this one had many powers whilst others had one & we all saw the effects those powers had on Clark... ZERO!!!

[Mischael12]

Superman got help in coming back, and doomsday came back as well.

Wes was supposed to have Titans level of strength, maybe even a little stronger since he sent clark flying way farther then titan did.

At point, at the speed wes was moving which is supposed to be equivalent to Bart Allens, and the height and potential strength of the thrust, that plus him being a seasoned soldier, he did pose a threat to clark.

Maybe not doomsday large, but still one to worry about.

[All about Clark]

Well, to this audience Clark is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Clark keeps saving Lex and Lex kills others and everyone has a problem with that. Clark takes down Titan and Wes and everyone has a problem with that. Exactly how is Clark suppose to win. And at what point, is a dangerous criminal allowed to live to kill again. I actually believe Clark has to weight the situation. Because Wes was as powerful as Titan. Wes was really no longer human. I believe that Clark would protect a regular human with his life, but that's not who he was fighting today.

I'm also sick of the lazy writing comment. If you have a better idea well then please tell it, because I would really like to know an option Clark had that would have been successful. I don't want to hear maybe, I want results. hehe thinking of Lex

[blackcelebration]

Originally posted by Mischael12
Superman got help in coming back, and doomsday came back as well.

Wes was supposed to have Titans level of strength, maybe even a little stronger since he sent clark flying way farther then titan did.

At point, at the speed wes was moving which is supposed to be equivalent to Bart Allens, and the height and potential strength of the thrust, that plus him being a seasoned soldier, he did pose a threat to clark.

Maybe not doomsday large, but still one to worry about.

Sorry but he was a Krypto Freak with multiple abilties (Plus the strength of Titan). And watch all of the Krypto Freak episodes to see just how big of a threat they were to Clark!!!

ZERO!!!

And watch Combat again & other than the Spike (Again you could argue that the spike would not kill him & if not then Titan would be a zero threat) but in Combat Titan get one hell of a beating. Tough guy??? yes.... Match for Clark...? NO!!!

Of course there is the BDA theory :rotfl:

But I am more against a series that tries to portray a future Superman who grew up thinking killing was ok as long as it stopped the bad guy & was for the greater good... THAT'S BATMAN NOT SUPERMAN!!!!

Superman, as I said in a previous post is a mixture of Kent principles (Doing right, giving people a chance, EVERYONE HAS GOOD IN THEM) & Jor-El (Disapline, not letting human emotions get the best of you) & it's an easy guess to which part of Superman Clark is yet to (OR SHOULD) need developing before he can wear the suit!!!

CLARK DID NOT GROW UP IN SMALLVILLE OR THE COMIC'S THINKING THAT KILLING WAS OK AS LONG AS IT WAS FOR THE GENERAL GOOD!!!!

CLARK WOULD ALWAYS REASON WITH SOMEONE BEFORE EVEN FIGHTING SOMEONE BECAUSE OF HIS KENT MORALS!!!

Clark has God-like powers & abilties ok he's a BDA but even by now he should have been able to work out that even if Wes was tough that Clark should survive (WES DID NOT HAVE ANY KRYPTONITE IF HE DID CLARK WOULD HAVE BEEN WEAKENED AS SOON AS HE WENT NEAR HIM!!!!)

So Wes was zero threat!!!!

The silliest thing was that Clark didn't Superspeed Lois away to safety (A very Superman thing to do) & then return to face Wes. He just left her there & he was lucky she wasn't used as a human sheild!!!

OK he's a BDA!!!:rotfl:

[shanemak]

Originally posted by blackcelebration
The silliest thing was that Clark didn't Superspeed Lois away to safety (A very Superman thing to do) & then return to face Wes. He just left her there & he was lucky she wasn't used as a human sheild!!!


C'mon now, of course that's the Superman thing to do, but Smallville's Clark can't have everybody knowing his secret.

That's why I propose he wear a simple ski mask everytime he goes out. A simple disguise, yet good enough to conceal his identity. He'd be free to utilize all of his powers whenever.

[blackcelebration]

Originally posted by shanemak
C'mon now, of course that's the Superman thing to do, but Smallville's Clark can't have everybody knowing his secret.

That's why I propose he wear a simple ski mask everytime he goes out. A simple disguise, yet good enough to conceal his identity. He'd be free to utilize all of his powers whenever.

What do you think he should call himself???

SuperSki!!!

or Skiman!!!

Or ICEHOCKEY KID :lol:

The problem is that this version of Clark is soooooo stupid that the biggest danger to him isn't Kryptonite, Lana, Zod, Lex or even Doomsday BUT CLARK HIMSELF!!!!:lol:

He's should have a sign on his dead that reads... WARNING NOT A DANGER TO OTHERS BUT A DANGER TO HIMSELF!!!!

or WARNING BDA!!!

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by hanemg

Timester had it right, one of the defining characteristics of Superman is that he tries to find that third option. It's what makes him stand out from the rank and file of "heroes" who take the easy way out.

Thats because the consequences have not come back to really bite him.
There a JLU episode where the justice league gets transported to an alternate universe. In this alternate universe, superman had failed to save Lois from one of the villains (Lex I think), by a split second.
When this happended, the universes split, and in the alternate universe, superman became OK with killing people, as he saw that by not killing villains he was actually condeming many others to death.

[shanemak]

Originally posted by blackcelebration
What do you think he should call himself???

SuperSki!!!

or Skiman!!!

Or ICEHOCKEY KID :lol:



It really doesn't matter what he is called, I'd say what actually matters is he'll have a disguise. You see how he seemed to enjoy it when he didn't have to hide his abilities when he dressed as Green Arrow. Like in Exile, when he donned a ski mask and pulled some capers, nobody knew it was him, except Pete.

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by nickyjean_1
I agree..

I don't think clark killed Wes.. I think he broke the force field and hurt him.. then I remember Wes gabbing about protocals etc.. my husband and I thought he was going to blow up.. I really believe it was a shut down process that killed him so he wouldn't fight past the point of salvagible use.. jmo..

I think so too. When Lex was looking at the body, he asked the doc to take him apart to figure exactly what went wrong. Clarks heat did not fry the guy, it just damaged him (in a non-obvious way).

Also, Clark did probably try using x-ray vison, but still could not see him. Remember, the only difference between visual light and x-ray is the wavelength. No reason to believe the cloak worked only with the visual spectrum waves.
Though the writers should indeed have put in a scence or a dialogue where Claark menrtions x-ray was of no help.

[defga]

It was probably an accident and should not be dwelled on. Clark obviously did not find delight or a feeling of victory after he did it. Let's let it go.

[Nerial]

I was a little put off when Clark killed Titan in "Combat," especially because it seemed pretty-apparent that his intention in the first place was to kill Titan with no alternatives (his conversation with Chloe would indicate such). However, I let it go because Titan was beating him to death, and clearly just wanted to kill people in fights. Clark didn't really have any other "third option" there.

That wasn't how Wes' death played out. Not at all.

1) Wes was a brain-washed soldier. Clark knew he was brain-washed, but never tried to snap him out of it.

2) The fight between Wes and Clark, by the point of the heat vision, was minimal to that of Titan. Yes, it was indicated that Wes was as strong as Titan, but Clark was not to any point where all other options were lost to him. He didn't have a scratch on him, and he has roughly 10 different abilities at his disposal.

3) The heat vision wasn't an accident. Maybe it was a "heat of the moment" situation (no pun intended), but one talent of Clark's is having complete control of his abilties. If he didn't, he would have accidently killed dozens of people already. He knew about Wes' force-field, knew the type of blast his eyes would sent out, and did it.

4) Others here have posted that "Wes had a knife!" Um, that's like saying, "Wes had a piece of tin foil shaped like a triangle!" It doesn't matter how much pressure Wes stabbed Clark with--the knife can only take so much impact before it bends/breaks. Wes' punches are much more dangerous than any blunt object against Clark.

And, yes, another argument that's been going around is that, "Clark isn't Superman yet!" Just how close does he have to be before this type of action is not excused? Season 1-4, I could see this argument. After all, it's the same argument that excuses his cellar blow-up in Season 2, his wild times in Metropolis in Season 3, and his lack-of-action with the crystals in Season 4. But, he's not a child anymore--he's a man. A young man, but still a man. His actions since Season 5 have improved--he's been more proactive in becoming Superman, but that doesn't mean he should be killing people without at least having it be the last resort.

That's what makes me so annoyed with this episode. If Clark and Wes had gotten into a serious fight--if it was absolutely clear that Wes could not be snapped out of it and that there was no other way to take him out--then fine. But, there was no fight--Clark got pushed. Big deal.

I wouldn't go as far as calling Clark a "murderer" because technically, Wes was trying to inflict harm, but people have been put into prison by using excessive force when taking down a criminal. Just to say.

[Seryna]

Did no one else think that one superheated blast was a cop- out? After Wes' battle to break through his programming to reach out to Lois, I was expecting some sort of epic battle- Clark and Ares evenly matched, with Wes' breakthroughs and Clarks' conscience throwing roadblocks through the ultimate climax.

Or Clark could just crispy fry him.
Did Titan make him that much of a shoot now, think later hero?

I sure hope he doesn't accidentally crispifry a friend- unless its Lana.

[HowardFilms]

I hope Clark kills someone in cold blood just to stop these ridiculous arguments.



Is it bad I hope it's Lana?

[Mischael12]

Nope.

Wes also had different abilities given to him.

Lets put it simply...HE KILLED A MACHINE. Not a person, a Machine, the guy was simply parts, the only thing left were sparks of memories of who he once was.

Would you like to try to reason with a guy coming at you with a knife.

Power of a small nuke to disarm the force-field, he didn't know it would kill him

[Nerial]

Originally posted by Mischael12
Nope.

Wes also had different abilities given to him.

Lets put it simply...HE KILLED A MACHINE. Not a person, a Machine, the guy was simply parts, the only thing left were sparks of memories of who he once was.

Would you like to try to reason with a guy coming at you with a knife.

Power of a small nuke to disarm the force-field, he didn't know it would kill him

^^Whose judgment is it that Wes' couldn't be snapped out of his mind control? Lois tried and succeeded for a short time. It was only when Lex "upped the juice" that Wes lost it.

I can't wait until that type of logic dawns on Batman the next time he has a kryptonite bullet, and Supes gets trapped by mind control from some villian.

Since that happens all the time in the comics, maybe the Justice League should save themselves the trouble, and kill Superman with a Green-K bomb the next time they get the chance.

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by Timester
Superman is about the third option. He ALWAYS find a way to stop the villians without killing them.

And about the BS that Superman killed alot in the comics. He killed only ONCE, and it was the pocket-universe Zod, after this have destroyed pocket-Earth. And even the writers regretted of ever doing it, sending Clark on an exile to deep space.

I agree with the "lazy writing".

He's not Superman yet. He hasn't had the necessary training. I think thats a big reason he is having to resort to doing whatever it takes. He doesn't know how to put the zoners back in the phantom zone, he hasn't gotten a complete handle of all of his powers yet, and right now he's still young (around 21) so he's still learning.

IMO the writers have done this on purpose to show the viewers just how important his training is

[Seryna]

Originally posted by HowardFilms
I hope Clark kills someone in cold blood just to stop these ridiculous arguments.



Is it bad I hope it's Lana?

No. I want him to crispifry her, mourn for five minutes, than Chloe goes 'Hydro' on his butt and points out every self- centered, self- serving thing Lana has done to the both of them.

Cue Chlarky kiss. The people rejoice.

The 5% who like Lana- *Shrug* You have a right to your opinion, but she makes me twitch in annoyance.

[elroyofkrypton]

I have to agree that Clark had more options than burning Wes. For one thing, create a vortex around the guy and suck all the oxygen out of his lungs until he passes out. Superfreeze him a little with superbreath. Machines don't like that. Hit him a few hundred times before he can respond and knock out his arm and leg motor functions. Bust his kneecaps. Put the Vulcan grip on his neck...be creative.

[Max001]

Didn't Superman pick up a powerless Zod and toss him down a giant hole? Or am I remembering Superman II wrong? It's been a while since I've seen it.

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by Seryna
No. I want him to crispifry her, mourn for five minutes, than Chloe goes 'Hydro' on his butt and points out every self- centered, self- serving thing Lana has done to the both of them.

Cue Chlarky kiss. The people rejoice.

The 5% who like Lana- *Shrug* You have a right to your opinion, but she makes me twitch in annoyance.

I dont want anything so dramatic, the next time Lana whines, I just want Clark to say "Bored Now" and continue whatever he was doingg.

[Max001]

When was the last time she whined?

[wolverine316]

I tell ya Clark can never win. When he gets his ass kicked sometimes people say he is pathetic. When Clark is the one doing the ass kicking like he did to Titan, posters complain that he should use other weapons that he has. Then he kicks Wes' ass with his heat vision and now people are complaining he is a murderer.

[HowardFilms]

Haha, true.

[Timester]

Originally posted by wolverine316
I tell ya Clark can never win. When he gets his ass kicked sometimes people say he is pathetic. When Clark is the one doing the ass kicking like he did to Titan, posters complain that he should use other weapons that he has. Then he kicks Wes' ass with his heat vision and now people are complaining he is a murderer.

Pathetic is considering a killing blow as "kicking ass".

What people ask is mid-term.

[KryptonScouse]

I saw it as a Titan re-match.

Kill, or be killed.

You have to ask yourself, what would you do in Clark's place? Knowing Wes couldn't be reasoned with.

Kudos to you Clark, I mean um, writers.

[RJLCyberPunk]

*Sigh* It was self defense plain and simple. He did not intend to kill him. This is the reason I try to visit this board as little as possible...

[RMF]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Well, to this audience Clark is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Clark keeps saving Lex and Lex kills others and everyone has a problem with that. Clark takes down Titan and Wes and everyone has a problem with that. Exactly how is Clark suppose to win. And at what point, is a dangerous criminal allowed to live to kill again. I actually believe Clark has to weight the situation. Because Wes was as powerful as Titan. Wes was really no longer human. I believe that Clark would protect a regular human with his life, but that's not who he was fighting today.
I don't have a problem with Clark saving Lex, because it is consistent with both Clark and Superman. As he said in "Rage", he doesn't have the right to play God and take life. It doesn't matter that some viewers may disagree with his moral position -- all we need is consistency. Clark should have a point of view and not flipflop every other week just because the writers want a quick resolution to a story. It would actually even be interesting to see Clark face the consequences of his decision not to take life and find the reasons why he will stick to it in spite of the cost. But that would be a storyline that would actually serve Clark's advancement, and they don't seem interested in that this season.


I'm also sick of the lazy writing comment. If you have a better idea well then please tell it, because I would really like to know an option Clark had that would have been successful. I don't want to hear maybe, I want results. hehe thinking of Lex
The "lazy writing" comment is quite apt. They wanted to lightswitch Lois into being a crusader, so they wanted to have Wes die as a catalyst. They combined that with the expected climactic battle with the hero and came up with a situation where Clark is again responsible for someone's death. They just didn't care about the damage to the integrity of the Clark character. It was expedient to them.

As for what they could have done differently? Any number of things. This is a fantasy landscape in which alien DNA and electronic devices can be implanted in a human, and he actually survives. That means the field is wide open for any fantastical resolution of the dilemma, not necessarily including Wes' death. Clark's heat vision could have destroyed the shield but not killed Wes. It could have zapped the implant that allowed the satellite to control him. Wes could have had a meltdown independent of anything Clark did because human physiology couldn't stand up to all the experimentation. He could have offed himself because he didn't want to be a murderous monster. The list goes on. But the decision here didn't revolve around what would best serve the Clark character.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by RMF
I don't have a problem with Clark saving Lex, because it is consistent with both Clark and Superman. As he said in "Rage", he doesn't have the right to play God and take life. It doesn't matter that some viewers may disagree with his moral position -- all we need is consistency. Clark should have a point of view and not flipflop every other week just because the writers want a quick resolution to a story. It would actually even be interesting to see Clark face the consequences of his decision not to take life and find the reasons why he will stick to it in spite of the cost. But that would be a storyline that would actually serve Clark's advancement, and they don't seem interested in that this season.[QUOTE]

I see a clear distinction, I'm not sure why others don't. Clark will kill an alien and save a human and if you have been altered to be more alien than human you are also at risk. I really don't see Clark playing God, he accidentally brought Titan to Earth and felt responsible and had to kill him. Since he took Lois for medical care instead of removing Titan's body, Titan was used to make Wes, so Clark is still responsible. Plus I didn't see it as a quick resolution, Clark knew his only weapon that could affect Wes was his heat vision, and he learned that from Chloe when she talked with the Justice League.

Clark's heat vision could have destroyed the shield but not killed Wes. It could have zapped the implant that allowed the satellite to control him. Wes could have had a meltdown independent of anything Clark did because human physiology couldn't stand up to all the experimentation. He could have offed himself because he didn't want to be a murderous monster. The list goes on. But the decision here didn't revolve around what would best serve the Clark character.

That is pretty much how alot of people saw that scene. His programming was fried enough for his ability to shut himself down. And I understand that it might not be clear to everyone with only 42 minutes of program. But I think TPTB did try to convey they, even if some of you refuse to see it. I mean that was the whole point of him going thru computer checks after Clark zapped him and he found his program damaged but not damaged enough to shut himself down. There just isn't time to spell everything out for the slow ones.

[Kyogre]

no offense but geez people on this site whine too much.
its just a tv show its just for entertainment.
same with all the superman comics move etc...

[RMF]

Originally posted by All about Clark
That is pretty much how alot of people saw that scene. His programming was fried enough for his ability to shut himself down. And I understand that it might not be clear to everyone with only 42 minutes of program. But I think TPTB did try to convey they, even if some of you refuse to see it. I mean that was the whole point of him going thru computer checks after Clark zapped him and he found his program damaged but not damaged enough to shut himself down. There just isn't time to spell everything out for the slow ones.
You could at least remain respectful, even if you disagree on the gravity of Clark's actions. Wes may have chosen to let himself die once damaged, but they put Clark in a situation where he contributed directly to the guy's death. They've done that repeatedly this season, and it ill becomes the character.

[Seryna]

Originally posted by wearetheborg
I dont want anything so dramatic, the next time Lana whines, I just want Clark to say "Bored Now" and continue whatever he was doingg.

Oh, Whedonverse friend? Dark Willow Vs. Red K. MMM.

Yes, Clana is very old.

That said, I can see the point of a lot people in this thread.KryptonScouse, I also thought that Clark mentioned Titan to Chloe because he realized that he didn't have a lot of options fighting someone so versatile & strong.

RMF, I also think that saving Lex is a very 'Clark' and 'Superman' thing to do. Clark isn't God, and I certainly hope that the Kents upbringing keeps him grounded and far from a God complex.

[superpal1]

At least we know that Clarks heat vision is as strong as a nuclear bomb. Didn't Chloe say the league had to pretty much throw a small nuke a one of these guys to get through the armor?

[Mischael12]

Originally posted by Nerial
^^Whose judgment is it that Wes' couldn't be snapped out of his mind control? Lois tried and succeeded for a short time. It was only when Lex "upped the juice" that Wes lost it.

I can't wait until that type of logic dawns on Batman the next time he has a kryptonite bullet, and Supes gets trapped by mind control from some villian.

Since that happens all the time in the comics, maybe the Justice League should save themselves the trouble, and kill Superman with a Green-K bomb the next time they get the chance.

exactly up the juice, wes was gone. they have come close to killing superman before.

[msleggie]

Superman does kill, he just kills super-human or alien beings. He doesn't just outright murder anyone who is inocent.

[Kal EL2380]

People are too judgmental of Clark. First of all Superman has stated in the comics that he would prefer not to kill, but would if it was to save lives. When he killed Doomsday he certainly didn't try to reason with him. God, you'd think that people think Clark is Jesus come back to earth. He was raised by humans, and from the looks of things kryptonians weren't that much different than humans in their methods. They literally created a Hell to put their worst criminals in. Clark is growing. He is learning that there has to be other ways to accomplish his task without killing. This I imagine is supposed to teach him the price of life. My point in the end of this rant is lay off the guy. Hes not Superman yet. Until i see the cape and the S Shield then he is still young Clark Kent to me. I'd start complaining if they put him in the costume and then have him go on a killing spree, but until that unlikely event happens, for your own sakes take a deep breath and calm down. Going into something with expectations only leads to disapointment. Go in with an open mind and never be disapointed. Remember this is my opinion so please don't be offended. Peace

[kal-el's bane]

Wow, I think it is a rare occasion when I hear or read about people whining so much. Someone else said it well, that when Clark gets smacked around too much, people say he's a wimp, but when something like the Titan incident happens and he's a cold-blooded killer. Yes there is a happy medium, and it is one that doesn't involve Clark murdering off his villians, and the writers have found and used that a few times, as with the phantoms being returned to the zone via Jor-el's crystal. However, the biggest whining I have heard is out of people who say that Superman is this way, or that way in the comics, and then spout off some random hot air that is completely unfactual or simply utter speculation--"well doesn't superman do this in the comics???" If you don't know don't guess. I have been a collector for almost 20 years, and I haven't missed a Supes issue yet, and that includes all of the biggest cross-overs. Superman has killed a sentient human(or rather group of) once in his life. It was Zod and his two subordinates, from an alternate dimension, AFTER they had slaughtered the population of an alternate Earth. He exposed them to GOLD K and then realizing that if they got their powers back that they would kill again--they vowed as much--he executed them with GREEN K, and it drove Superman to madness. Now, that being said, Superman, and that includes our young friend Clark Kent here, would never kill intentionally again. Doomsday? you ask. Read Superman #75, he asks Lois with his dying breath IF he stopped him, and by the way, Doomsday just happened to be immortal. SO he didn't kill him. Accidental death is something that even real people, in real situations are not CRIMINALLY charged with, especially in self defence situations. So, if Titan attacks Clark, and in the defense of his life, Titan dies by falling over and busting his head open (not that that would have happened) Clark wouldn't have been responsible. When the shapeshifter from way back in Season One or Two came at Clark and was impaled on a wooden stake, he didn't kill her, her death was the accidental result of battle. In the case of our undead military android-cyborg whatever you want to call him Wes Keenan, Clark defended himself, yes, he had other means at his disposal, but used a more violent one it could be argued, it resulted in the apperent malfunction of whatever circuitry or programming had been put into Wes. Now, with Wes' dying breath, he spouts off a sequence of letters and numbers, which appeared to me, and this wasn't really mentioned in any of the other replies, to be a self destruct sequence, or program termination sequence. Because of the pain that he was in, it appears like Wes simply chose to die. So if anyone wants to challenge me on Superman comic history, I'd like to win an argument, and if people will call Clark a killer for this, than there are hundreds of killers walking the streets today for the unfortunate death of someone during an act of self defense, that was not inflicted by the defendee, but just that...ACCIDENTAL.

[LexLuv180]

How fast can someone think of all these solutions in seconds? He knew a nuke like force would be the only way to get through that field, and to protect himself he needed to get through that field, therefore...

The impact ended up frying some of the electronics in Wes. That's not murder, that's the domino effect.

[bobser]

Originally posted by Timester
Uh? :confused:

The comics is full of super-powered beings at Clark's level and he doesn't go rampage killing them.

Has anyone forgot that Clark has super-breathing and super-speed? It seems so.

Why would he need to kill them?

It'd make for good fights and actions, also giving him a chance to wail on someone with full strength and give us something to get stoked about.

[Mello Penelo]

Big dumb murderer. He killed Wes Keenan. He kills everyone. This must be the Justice Lords universe.


Originally posted by msleggie
Superman does kill, he just kills super-human or alien beings. He doesn't just outright murder anyone who is inocent.

Where did you hear that? The real Clark (not this Smallville homo) doesn't kill anyone. When he killed Doomsday, he was so wracked with guilt he could barely function.

[Mischael12]

Technically Wes was deal already anyway.

[Mello Penelo]

Wes wasn't dead. He was taken from Afghanistan half dead, nursed back to health, then cannibalized.

[Raistlin]

As soon as it happened I thought, "I can't wait to see the Superman doesn't kill" thread.

1. Clark isn't Superman.
2. Superman doesn't kill humans. Super-alien hybrids are on their own.

Nice way of putting it. ;)