How EVIL was Lex in this episode???

[blackcelebration]

How evil was Lex from a scale of 1-10??

[Lavenderrose73]

"I want to see him do it again." ???

There's no question about it!!! Definitely a 10, and I just barely saw the theme song played!

[redraven]

7. If only he'd kill Lionel!

Lex killing all of his men like that with out any hesitation, along with 33.1 and what he's done to Lana; he's obviously evil now. But he'll never be purely evil until he kills Lionel, imo.

[SuperSONICK]

I'd say he's getting pretty evil. I've been waiting for him to kill Lionel since Season 2 Episode 1. He won't reach pure evil until he does. He'll be one step below that when he b**** slaps Lana next week.

[God-Man]

I agree that to become pure evil, Lex must kill Lionel. It's been a long time in the making.

[xrayvision]

I heard many on this forum say that the first person Lex would have murdered is Lionel, but he is way past that now. I always thought he was responsible for Dr. Black's death in Rage and paid a halfway house punk to kill her. Now I have no doubt. He specifically killed that senator. I'm not sure if he had Wes kill all his best men or just knock them all out. I'm guessing he had them knocked out since he wouldn't waste his best men like that. And if he did that, his doctor and right hand man would not have been in such a calm state. I think just as he didn't shoot Lex as part of the test run, he didn't kill those guys.

But regardless, the killing of that senator is an actual murder that can officially be added to his resume.

[minus_273]

I voted for #11 Barak Obama

just like the amp, this one goes to 11

[Gspokesman]

I think he's evil enough now he's been evil enough ever since this 33.1 thing started this season for me plus he's got a suttle humor to his evil I find myself sometimes chuckling at the things he says no matter how bad it is it's definitely crazy what a 6-year development Rosenbaum has made with this character

[Mischael12]

I mean Lionel has had it coming though--its not evil if the person had it coming.

Now if Lionel had been a great dad to him--that would be evil.

[lilkoolmaria]

Pretty damn evil.

[MozartRequiem]

"I mean Lionel has had it coming though--its not evil if the person had it coming.

Now if Lionel had been a great dad to him--that would be evil."

No, that's precisely the point. Despite Lionel's horrible parental tactics, killing your own father and or mom is an evil act. If you can kill your own parent, it's a sign of how bad you can be to the rest of the world. Lionel killed his parents. They were abusive, yes, and maybe deserved it, but still, the act of murdering them is incredibly evil. Lionel could've chosen to break free from his parents without actually killing them. There's always a choice. That's why Clark doesn't ever kill Lex. Despite the evil that Lex has done, Clark knows that if he killed another human being, he'd lose his own humanity.

[Bosrudorfer]

I say 9. He is almost there but hasnt gone off the deep end yet.

[All about Clark]

Between the stack of victims at the end and Lex saying "Let's do it again, put some fresh guys in there", wow, can you get anymore evil than that. He definitely no longer cares for anyone's life, all he cares for are his objectives.

[shipgrad2002]

Clark has killed in the past, but it is always a last resort and he has been very remoseful the few times that it has happened.

[Ultron]

I like the determination we're seeing out of Lex now. He really is turning into a badass.

[ginnyfan]

He's almost full out Lex Luthor evil. Once he kills Lana and starts laughing and singing about the people he's killing... he'll be full out evil. He's going to get to the place where he loves his evil... right now the Lexana still has him a bit tortured. He's just a hair away though. He's SO EVIL! LOL!

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by All about Clark
He definitely no longer cares for anyone's life, all he cares for are his objectives.

One of his main objectives is to save humans from freaks.
See the thread:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73631&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Sure, innocent people are getting killed, but thats similar to army soldiers getting killed when fighting for the greater good.

I choose to believe Lex's soldiers in the beginning were NOT killed, just knocked out (like Clark knocks out people). With Wes's capabilities, it would not have been any problem for him to hold back like Clark.
And it would be in Lex's best interests to NOT get his men killed, can you imagine the mess he'd had to deal with if dozens of his men turned up dead ?

He did choose to kill the vitness, but he did not have any other option.

And FINALLY the military gets involved, I am SO glad !!!

[Shadow116]

I say 7.5

He will only be truly evil in my eyes if he kills Lionel personally.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by wearetheborg
One of his main objectives is to save humans from freaks.
See the thread:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73631&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Sure, innocent people are getting killed, but thats similar to army soldiers getting killed when fighting for the greater good.

I choose to believe Lex's soldiers in the beginning were NOT killed, just knocked out (like Clark knocks out people). With Wes's capabilities, it would not have been any problem for him to hold back like Clark.
And it would be in Lex's best interests to NOT get his men killed, can you imagine the mess he'd had to deal with if dozens of his men turned up dead ?

He did choose to kill the vitness, but he did not have any other option.

And FINALLY the military gets involved, I am SO glad !!!

Did you buy some prime real estate in the Florida swamp lands too ?

:)

[bobser]

I forget how the line exactly went, but his "Bring in some fresh guards." was just beautifully evil.

His threats toward Lana, in light of what he did to her, was also pretty villainous. Rosenbaum's Lex rocks.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by wearetheborg
One of his main objectives is to save humans from freaks.


Wow! Do you really think Lex is creating a super-army just to hand them over the government. Hell no. He's going to use them to take over the world. Exactly how delusional are you? Not to mention Lex is creating freaks!

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Wow! Do you really think Lex is creating a super-army just to hand them over the government. Hell no. He's going to use them to take over the world. Exactly how delusional are you? Not to mention Lex is creating freaks!

yeah, but freaks HE can control, just like Wes...:lol:

[Krypton935]

Yes he is SOOO purely evil:D!!!!!!!

[Kid Collins]

He's on his way to a full pledged psychopath!

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Wow! Do you really think Lex is creating a super-army just to hand them over the government. Hell no. He's going to use them to take over the world. Exactly how delusional are you? Not to mention Lex is creating freaks!

Hell no, he is not going to hand them over to the govt.
Take over the world ? Nah, he will do that with conventional means, by becoming the president.

Regardless of what he will become, these super soldiers are currently required in the smallville world, to combat the freaks and the aliens. That is why Lex is getting money from the military. As far as they know, they dont have any freaks on their side.

Lex is making these super soldier to combat other powerful beings, and get personal benifit along the way. One should not expect him to sink billions of dollars into such project and receive no pesonal benefit.

He will be a full out evil/psychopath only when he is driven purely by 1)hatred or 2)financial gain/power

[BadClark4Ever]

I can't wait for him to make the transition to complete evil. I love that he seems to try to be good and in love with Lana, friend to Clark, etc, but he's so much more delicious when he obviously sees the right thing to do and deliberately chooses evil.

[LoisL]

I wish there was the option "He's now turned into Darth Sidious". He's a master of Sith now and looks to be starting the clone wars.

[Elite]

pure evil...

after watching this Lex, im wondering how this is the same guy that saved Clark in Nemesis.

[wilder]

Originally posted by Elite

after watching this Lex, im wondering how this is the same guy that saved Clark in Nemesis.


Exactly. He has his own reasons to saved Clark and it wasnt friendship.

Lex eliminate enemies in the past, but this time was different. He was using Wes to kill people just for fun. And last scene.

He is pure evil.

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by wilder
He was using Wes to kill people just for fun. And last scene.


Hell no. He used Wes to kill 1)the senator and his guard and 2)the witness

He did not kill anyone for fun :mad:

[niki]

^ What about the guards in Sections A-G? Hehe.
He specifically said "bring in some fresh guards" ... which means that the other ones were dead. And he wanted fresh ones so that Wes could go and kill another whole batch. That was definitely for fun. He wanted to relish in the results of what he created.

Evil, evil Lex.

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by niki
^ What about the guards in Sections A-G? Hehe.
He specifically said "bring in some fresh guards" ... which means that the other ones were dead. And he wanted fresh ones so that Wes could go and kill another whole batch. That was definitely for fun. He wanted to relish in the results of what he created.

Evil, evil Lex.

Um no, he said Wes had disabled his guards, not killed them. They were probably hurt but not dead. With Wes' capabilities, it would have been no problem for him to just knock those gurads around, like Clark does.
Why would Lex want to kill his guards, bad PR for him, and news would get around that working for Lex will likely get you killed

[wilder]

When he was testing Wes on the begining of episode.

Wes killed gaurds in facility. Lex reaction?

Lex: Get some fresh guards. I want see him doing it again.

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by wilder

Wes killed gaurds in facility. Lex reaction?



NO !!!
Wes Did Not Kill the guards !!!

[kazek]

I agree. Wes simply took them out. Taking them out doesn't mean he killed them... He could have just knocked them out. Lex called for fresh guards because the others were worn out from the exercise....

[wilder]

They killed themselves?

Joke. I to overreact a little. Bad translation.

Satisified? However i still think he is pure evil.

[MozartRequiem]

"Exactly. He has his own reasons to saved Clark and it wasnt friendship.

Lex eliminate enemies in the past, but this time was different. He was using Wes to kill people just for fun. And last scene.

He is pure evil."

Interesting theory. I have a different outlook on Lex. I think that...

1.) He did not save Clark for any ulterior motives. Clark is one of the few things holding him back from being full-out supervillain,

2.) He did not kill the guards just for fun. In fact, we don't KNOW if he killed them. They may have just been severely injured. Nevertheless, I think the Lex of "Smallville" is not the type who just randomly kills because it's pleasurable to him. No, that's more Joker style of killing. I think Lex thinks the ends justify the means. He was doing that as a test because he thinks Wes needs to be tested before he fights this "war" against meteor freaks.

That's just my perspective on him though. Anyways, I think he's pretty close to pure evil now. Only a few things stand in the way of this:

1.) Clark: since day one, no matter how dark Lex has gotten, he has never had the heart to truly try to hurt or kill Clark. Clark represents the side of Lex that still wants to be good, and so he doesn't want to take that away just yet.

2.) Lana: while she may not hold him back much, I think Lex really believes in some twisted way that he loves Lana. I don't think he'd kill her, even if she tells him that she doesn't love him. I don't think he has the heart to try to have her murdered, which shows that he still DOES have a heart, even if it's minuscule.

3.) Lionel: Lex is clearly still somewhat afraid of his father, and deep down, probably still craves his affection. He does not have the heart (or lack-thereof) to kill Lionel yet, but I think whatever happens in the season finale may set up for a final war between the two Luthors where only one of them will come out alive next season. And we know who that has to be.

So, I don't think he's all-out evil. I don't think he'd be like Kevin Spacey's Lex yet (where he has absolutely no problem with killing millions, no BILLIONS, for his own goals), and I think he still feels guilt about things, but he's really lost most of his humanity this season, and I can't wait to see how he'll lose it all next year.

[Sweetie]

He is purely evil...I love it :D

[wearetheborg]

Originally posted by wilder
They killed themselves?



Where are we told in the episode that the guards got killed ?

[Seryna]

Originally posted by wearetheborg
Where are we told in the episode that the guards got killed ?

Besides' Lex's request for more guards, I do not think that the guards were mentioned at allf or the rest of the episode.

Thier fates are unknown- Wes- Prototype could have simply disabled them or killed them. Unfourtanately, it is unlikely that we will find out in the finale with all the drama going on.

Although a simple line of dialogue about 'The Protypes promise with the demonstration' could clear it up for us.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Lex still has a long way to go to be that uber-evil we all want him to be, step-by-step I guess.

Personally I would like to see him more controlling and manipulative, like his old man was/can be.

As it is, he is coming off as cold hearted and focus, which is a cheap excuse for playing the "is he evil or is he misunderstood" card.

We can only hope it gets better.

[All about Clark]

I don't think it matters whether the guards died or not. Lex purposely placed their lives in jeapardy. He knew they were too hurt to go a second round so he asked for fresh ones.

And I still think the only reason Lex saved Clark was that Lex couldn't move the grating on his escape from the tunnels by himself and came back for Clark in order to help him get out.

So Lex is evil enough he doesn't care about human life.

And Lex's motives for building this super army is to rule the world, he even made a comment about it in Season 1 at the museum. He can rule through presidency or he can rule by power, I don't think he cares which way succeeds as long as at least one way works. Lex only states it's to protect humans, what he really means is protecting himself and nothing more.