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xrayvision
05-10-2007, 10:34 AM
This is the thread for the TV ratings of this episode when they're available.

ShelbyKent
05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Does anyone know if there are any pre-emptions for this evening's telecast?

Bosrudorfer
05-10-2007, 10:18 PM
I dont think there are. Its going to be interesting to see if it goes lower or rises.

Ultron
05-11-2007, 12:23 AM
It probably got a ratings bump but I bet not a great one.

Best Episode - 321
05-11-2007, 10:02 AM
And the decline continues

The CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.36 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4)

Link (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/53110015)
_______________________________________________


SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.36

* - Final Rating

kkjdt
05-11-2007, 10:18 AM
wow has Smallville ratings ever been this low?
hey and where is the ratings break down for all the CW shows? if anyone knows can you please tell me
for instance where does smallville rate on the CW 2nd top show?
Thanks in advacne;)

Best Episode - 321
05-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.19 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 2.90 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.79 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

jimmyolsenblues
05-11-2007, 10:29 AM
this is so disappointing that we are losing viewers every week since justice.

myankskent
05-11-2007, 10:38 AM
This is very much like last season. After Reckoning, the ratings declined. This year, it's Justice for whatever reason. As long as the beginning of the 7th season gets higher ratings, just like the beginning of season's 5 and 6, that's all that matters.

Bosrudorfer
05-11-2007, 10:59 AM
^It went way down after Promise (huge dip) and the 2 long breaks IMO.

CallMeClark
05-11-2007, 11:36 AM
WOW! :( We are losing viewers.

The higher rated episodes were Guest stars/Highly action packed episode. This is sad.

Hydro - Freak were an amazing string of episodes. They didn't hold the momentum... This is ending up like last season...

Something needs to be done. When you fall into the 3 million range things aren't good. Coming from Smallville who had one of the top premieres on the network, ever...:confused:

freefall
05-11-2007, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.19 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 2.90 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.79 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

At least there's a bump up in the second half hour. But I still don't think the finale is even going to get 4 million this time.

Kryptonian-Ronin
05-11-2007, 12:48 PM
Not a happy camper...

Lower ratings = less money.
less money = even more BS about "budget cuts"
Budget concerns = crappy storylines
Crappy story lines = lower ratings
Lower ratings = unhappy kryptonian-ronin :(

ClarksGal
05-11-2007, 12:57 PM
I think it looks like it went up for Justice (and Fallout) but that the real dip didn't happen until after Promise. Wow, super sucky.

liana
05-11-2007, 12:59 PM
Let's wait for the finale moments before we get really depressed. But I would say the advertising is a little to blame for it. They had mostly been around the soap-opera aspect of the show, rather than the superman mythos. I mean, this was a Lois centric episode, full of action and it was advertised as a Clark/Lana/Lex one. The radio adds were about Clark being obsessed by Lana and Lex's love for Lana turning him bad... :rolleyes:

Why didn't they advertise it as a building up to the finale? As Lex becoming truly evil and Clark finding out what 33.1 was about? Someone is making a huge mistake in advertising Smallville. I hope they correct it next season.:mad:

monstra
05-11-2007, 01:16 PM
darn.. guess ppl didnt like the lexana marriage thing lol

Kryptonian-Ronin
05-11-2007, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by monstra
darn.. guess ppl didnt like the lexana marriage thing lol

ya think ?
:D

Bosrudorfer
05-11-2007, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
ya think ?
:D

damn straight!

liana
05-11-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by monstra
darn.. guess ppl didnt like the lexana marriage thing lol

I guess you are right. It is not only the fact that they made the female lead marry the villain, but the way it was portrayed that made it disgusting. Lexana has been on since the end of last season, and still the ratings didn't go that bad. People didn't like the relationship, but the show wasn't all about them. We had character growth for most of the characters and superman stuff.

Then, all of a sudden, Clark/Lex/Lana became the entire focus of the show. We had Clark stalking Lana, Lana in a soap operish ways being "forced" into marrying Lex, and the whole "baby" plot... :rolleyes: No wonder the ratings started to go down with such a weak plot. There was no need to do that. If they really wanted the wedding, they should have made it happen with Lana wanting to marry Lex, and then finding out who he really was and helping Clark to bring Lex down, or not have it at all.

monstra
05-11-2007, 01:42 PM
actually, the last um 4 trailers? after promise havent been clexana centered at all.. o_o

Dannyblue1
05-11-2007, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by monstra
actually, the last um 4 trailers? after promise havent been clexana centered at all.. o_o

The trailer for this episode certainly was.

Besides, after "Promise," I don't think people had to see the promos to kinda guess what the rest of the season would be about.

eas
05-11-2007, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by monstra
actually, the last um 4 trailers? after promise havent been clexana centered at all.. o_o

They have been in my area. All of them. And so was the next one... "Love turns into Anger. Anger turns into Hate...." It was pure Clexana.


Originally posted by monstra
darn.. guess ppl didnt like the lexana marriage thing lol

I have to say that I wasn't 100% against Lexana. I mean, I thought that Lexana has been built up since season 1 & that MR and KK have some chemistry. But the way they handled it this season? Pure soap opera crap. So now I hate it. And I think Clexana is to blame for the ratings. If they had kept Lana single & Lex still attracted to her, it would have been much better. For the characters and the plot.

liana
05-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by monstra
actually, the last um 4 trailers? after promise havent been clexana centered at all.. o_o

Actually, I think the only one that wasn't either clexana or clana was the trailler for Progeny.


Originally posted by eas
I have to say that I wasn't 100% against Lexana. I mean, I thought that Lexana has been built up since season 1 & that MR and KK have some chemistry. But the way they handled it this season? Pure soap opera crap. So now I hate it. And I think Clexana is to blame for the ratings. If they had kept Lana single & Lex still attracted to her, it would have been much better. For the characters and the plot.

I couldn't agree more. :\ The plot made everyone look bad. Lex, who was supposed to become a great villain, retorting to simulate a fake pregnancy to marry Lana is beyond pathetic. Clark going after a married woman even before he suspected she was forced to it, goes after everything superman stands for. And Lana being once again turned into helpless victim is such a waste of a potentially good character. Lana's character could be so much more than the girl who always has to be rescued. :\

Timester
05-11-2007, 02:11 PM
Conclusion? AlMiles simply don't learn. Almost everyone here called that the ratings would go down this low. We saw it happening in season 3, 4 and 5, when they decide to focus the show on the soap opera. Every single season is the copy of the previous season, only changing the plot/characters.

Smallville:
First two episodes, closing ALL previous season plot arcs.
First half of season, building up the new plot arcs, full of action.
Mid season: The episode that changes the focus to soap opera.
Second half of season: Soap opera.
Final two episodes: Rushed build-up to the finale.

AND they keep telling that "everyone loves love triangles"...

Bosrudorfer
05-11-2007, 02:16 PM
^And I've read and heard them refer to this season as the best of them all lol

MidgardDragon
05-11-2007, 02:34 PM
I see the denial of the fact that the ratings drop started from Justice (with only a slight increase for Freak) is still continuing.

I see the "real" ratings increase started at Justice simply because it got a larger increase even though Hydro increased the ratings from Subterranean. /sarcasm

monstra
05-11-2007, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Dannyblue1
The trailer for this episode certainly was.

Besides, after "Promise," I don't think people had to see the promos to kinda guess what the rest of the season would be about.

i thought this one had the lex and ares dude, and lana saying something about it

the radio ads are a totally different story

i think the whole season is to blame, its just been such a horrible mess from start to end, the middle arc prob got its high ratings only because of justice, i think we all saw this coming

and theyre planning on kicking kristin out and on a season 8? not happening

Absolute Kingdom
05-11-2007, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Not a happy camper...

Lower ratings = less money.
less money = even more BS about "budget cuts"
Budget concerns = crappy storylines
Crappy story lines = lower ratings
Lower ratings = unhappy kryptonian-ronin :(

That's what I call flawless logics. Kudos man! :D

Waylan37
05-11-2007, 02:49 PM
This is an easy trend to explain:

People don't like the "no flights, no tights" rule, plain and simple. Every season the cliffhanger/season-opener teases with the possibility that this is the season he is going to really take off and start claiming his mantle.

When it becomes obvious that it isn't going to happen... they start to tune out and wait (with hope) for the next season.

The build up of Clark in Smallville was fine for the first 3 or 4 years, but the viewers sat through that with the expectation of being rewarded with a new take on the birth of a hero; kind of a "Superman:Year One"

How he goes from being this farm kid to Superman is is a greta story to explore in depth. But all viewers are getting is more tired meteor freak plots and yet another round of "what will happen with Lana?"

It doesn't help tht the stories they are contriving to avoid the Elephant in the room (Superman) are pretty lame. Instead of being a natural build up to how he becomes who he is going to become, the writers now look as though they are scrambling and reaching for reasons/excuses to delay it.

Bosrudorfer
05-11-2007, 02:51 PM
It's also possible that 'Are you smarter than a fifth grader' is pulling away viewers. Statgirl on PiFeedBack says that it first aired on March 15th (against Promise) but has aired Thursdays at 9pm for the previous two weeks.

Dannyblue1
05-11-2007, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I see the denial of the fact that the ratings drop started from Justice (with only a slight increase for Freak) is still continuing.

I see the "real" ratings increase started at Justice simply because it got a larger increase even though Hydro increased the ratings from Subterranean. /sarcasm

Um, no.

The numbers for "Hydro" were good, but pretty typical for the season up to that point.

"Justice" got great numbers because it had mass appeal. People who'd given up on the show, even new people who had never watched the show, tuned in. And they must've liked what they saw because, while "Labyrinth" saw a slight dip, it held on to quite a bit of that audience, and was one of the highest eps of the season.

The problem was that there was almost as much dissatisfaction after "Labyrinth" as there was after "Promise." Many, many people were not pleased with that episode.

That's when the decline sort of started. Still, ratings remained pretty steady after that, and on par with the rest of the season.

Then, we got "Promise." And there just wasn't a tiny dip in the ratings after that episode. The ratings downright crashed. And have steadily continued to decline from week to week.

MBCorp
05-11-2007, 03:35 PM
I think the ratings have dipped because the show has grown boring and stale. Honestly this is the first time I've bothered to watch it in ages, and this episode didn't exactly make me all that interested in seeing any more. Same old, same old.

Deana
05-11-2007, 04:45 PM
IMO, Promise is to blame. Clark Kent's character is a obsessed joke and it started right there this season. Last season it was Reckoning.

Justice did show how behind Clark is on the hero front, so maybe it did cause a ratings dip. Compared to GA, Cyborg, and young flash(who is way younger than him so the Clark is still young excuse does not fly) he is a hero in freaking diapers.

If the writers continue to do a great injustice to the character the show is supposed to be about, the ratings will continue to drop.

TOMophilus
05-11-2007, 04:46 PM
From what I read about ratings, the ratings are down for ALL networks and MOST other shows too. So it is not so sure whether this drop has anything to do with the (miserable) plotline of SV. If it has, it is certainly not the only reason.

Best Episode - 321
05-11-2007, 06:02 PM
Finals ticked up a bit - Still a long way to go though

SMALLVILLE 3.43 million, 1.4/4 (18-49 Rating/Share)

Link (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=200571)

_________________________________

SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.59*
Prototype...........3.43*

* - Final

InLove_with_Chloe
05-11-2007, 06:42 PM
Wow, and I thought it wasn't posssible to go below 3.5 Million.....

warriorrenegade
05-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Its laughable... I wonder if they can trace the ratings decline to a single moment?:p My guess it was when Clark proclaimed his undying love of Lana....to a dog. Yep I think that was it.:lol:

mikemike
05-11-2007, 07:12 PM
this whole season has had a pretty basic, boring storyline. probably the most boring the series has had. however, they've spruced up the lacking A story with some fan-favored superheroes in the B stories...

monel49
05-11-2007, 07:30 PM
Soap opera focus instead of super hero focuse seems to be the reason for the decline. The show was going somewhere with the Martian Manhunter, Justice League, etc, and this past episode wasn't bad in getting things pointed in that direction again. I've enjoyed this season, but when you ignore the Superman mythos, you do so at your own peril. I would have enjoyed the season more if they would have stuck to that. Maybe Tom Welling had other things to do and places to be but does anyone else notice how little screen time he really has. Having him rush in and save Chloe or proclaim his love to Lana is just not going to be enough for Superman fans. Love this show, but it needs to be tweaked back to perfection. Focus on the mythos, then watch the ratings grow.

LegendaryU2K
05-12-2007, 12:16 AM
Is smallville being promoted enough?

I think not, plus so many people i have talked too, dont even get the CW or they say its only on cable , which is weird.

Maybe the CW needs to do more to promote its show. I'm doing my part and i will continue to do so.

ShelbyKent
05-12-2007, 03:48 AM
Seems like there's a general downtrend in recent TV viewership....

From CNN website:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/09/tv.missingviewers.ap/index.html

"Where Have All The Viewers Gone?"

NEW YORK (AP) -- Maybe they're outside in the garden. They could be playing softball. Or perhaps they're just plain bored.

In TV's worst spring in recent memory, a startling number of Americans drifted away from television the past two months: More than 2.5 million fewer people were watching ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox than at the same time last year, statistics show.

Everyone has a theory to explain the plummeting ratings: early Daylight Savings Time, more reruns, bad shows, more shows being recorded or downloaded or streamed. (Blog: What -- and when -- are you watching?)

Scariest of all for the networks, however, is the idea that many people are now making their own television schedules. The industry isn't fully equipped to keep track of them, and as a result the networks are scrambling to hold on to the nearly $8.8 billion they collected during last spring's ad-buying season.

"This may be the spring where we see a radical shift in the way the culture thinks of watching TV," said Sarah Bunting, co-founder of the Web site Television Without Pity.

The viewer plunge couldn't have come at a worse time for the networks -- next week they will showcase their fall schedules to advertisers in the annual "up front" presentations.

The networks argue that viewership is changing, not necessarily declining. Some advertisers respond that they are no longer willing to pay full price up front to reach viewers that may not tune in later.

This fall, both sides will be watching what happens with families like Tony Cort's. During prime-time, Cort, his wife and four kids tend to scatter to computers or other activities in different parts of their New Jersey home. (Not during "American Idol" or "Lost," though.) They're definitely watching less TV, said Cort, who runs a Web site for martial arts aficionados.

"I remember when '24' was on, that was something there was a lot of interest and excitement about," he said.

News flash: "24" is still on. Its ratings are down, too, amid a critically savaged season.

More bad news abounds. NBC set a record last month for its least-watched week during the past 20 years, and maybe ever -- then broke it a week later. This is the least popular season ever for CBS' "Survivor." ABC's "Lost" has lost nearly half its live audience -- more than 10 million people -- from the days it was a sensation. "The Sopranos" (a show that has earned broadcast-network-like ratings in the past) is ending on HBO, and the response is a collective yawn.

Events like "American Idol" on Fox (which is owned by News Corp.) and "Dancing With the Stars" on ABC (owned by The Walt Disney Co.) are doing the most to prop up the industry. But still, in the six weeks after Daylight Savings Time started in early March, prime-time viewership for the four biggest broadcast networks was down to 37.6 million people, from 40.3 million during the same period in 2006, according to Nielsen Media Research.
Missing money

Millions of missing viewers could translate into millions of missing dollars for the networks heading into the up-front sales season.

Advertisers don't believe that the drop in viewership is as dramatic as the numbers suggest, but they're no longer willing to spend what they once did in the spring market, said Brad Adgate of Horizon Media, an ad buying firm. Johnson & Johnson and Coca-Cola sat out the spring market last year -- betting they could get lower prices later -- and it's likely other companies will do the same this year, he said.

The early start to Daylight Savings Time has hurt ratings. Prime-time viewership traditionally dips then as people do more things outside, and this year folks had a three-week head start to get into the habit of doing something else. More network reruns during March and April dampened interest, too.

"We let them get out of the habit of watching television a little bit, and it's going to take some time to get these people back in front of their television sets," said David Poltrack, chief researcher for CBS (owned by CBS Corp.).

Strategic decisions to send some popular serial dramas on long hiatuses appeared to backfire. NBC's "Heroes," CBS' "Jericho" and "Lost" lost significant momentum when they returned. Besides HBO's "The Sopranos," there are no lengthy countdowns toward the end of very popular series, unless you count "The King of Queens."

There also are technical reasons that this apparent diminished interest in television may be overstated.

This year, for the first time, Nielsen is measuring viewership in the estimated 17 percent of homes with digital video recorders _ but it only counts them in the ratings of a specific show if they watch it within 24 hours of the original air time.

If you recorded "Desperate Housewives" this spring and watched it two days later, you're not counted in the show's ratings. And you're not counted by Nielsen under any circumstances if you downloaded a show on iTunes and watched it on your iPod or cell phone, or streamed an episode from a network Web site.

Since last year's Nielsen sample contained no DVR homes and this year's sample does, logic dictates that fewer Nielsen families are watching TV live this year, deflating ratings.

"People are not consuming less television, they're watching it in different ways, and the measurements haven't caught up," said Alan Wurtzel, chief research executive at NBC (owned by General Electric Co.).

The numbers can be significant. When "The Office" aired on NBC on April 5, Nielsen said there were 5.8 million people watching. Add in the people who recorded the episode and watched it within the next week, and viewership swelled to 7.6 million, a 32 percent increase, Nielsen said.

"The Sopranos" is another interesting case study. For its first four episodes this season, the show averaged 7.4 million viewers for its weekly Sunday night premiere, down from 8.9 million at the same point its last season.

But HBO shows each new episode eight times a week. Between the multiple plays and DVR viewing, each episode this spring gets 11.1 million viewers, down from 13 million last year. And these figures don't count people who watch on demand.

Numbers for "The Sopranos" may be down because people can watch whenever they want. They may not be as interested in the show as they used to be -- or it could be a combination of both.

Television has made billions based on how many people watch a show at its regular time. That idea may already be obsolete. So should the industry use DVR viewing when setting ad rates? If so, how quickly must people watch the shows -- within two days? A week? What about people who watch shows on their cell phones or on network Web sites, which Nielsen doesn't measure yet? Later this month Nielsen will begin measuring how many people watch commercials. Should those be used to compute advertising costs?

Right now, none of those questions have answers.

However, "if we continue to do business assuming people will watch television as they always have," said NBC's Wurtzel, "it's a dead-end game.

98chase
05-12-2007, 07:42 AM
Gilmore Girls is ending after this season. I think the CW should move Smallville to that time slot. Smallville should be shown on Tuesdays again, like it was during it's first two seasons.

Kid Collins
05-12-2007, 08:17 AM
You have to take into consideration that the season premier rating for Zod was only 4.9 million viewers. That's 1 million less than Arrival.

The fact that this show's rating started out so low, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the ratings for the these last couple of eps are lower because that's a pattern that's repeated throughout Smallville's ratings history.

Season premier ratings is a very strong indicator of how the rest of the season will fare.

CallMeClark
05-12-2007, 10:26 AM
Yeah, I am unsure what is happening.

News stations are reporting that ALL shows have been down for three weeks now. Somehow 2.5 million viewers just disappeared. Nelson is looking into it.

Timester
05-12-2007, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by CallMeClark
Yeah, I am unsure what is happening.

News stations are reporting that ALL shows have been down for three weeks now. Somehow 2.5 million viewers just disappeared. Nelson is looking into it.

Aliens kidnapped the viewers.

warriorrenegade
05-12-2007, 12:38 PM
Yeah. They got sucked into the PZ when Clark opened the portal. Him opening it created a vaccum. Phantoms escaped. Viewers got sucked in.

Will Clark save them? Tune in next week. Same SV time, same SV channel.

CallMeClark
05-12-2007, 04:02 PM
I only hope so. ;)

But yeah, ratings are down for most shows.

lastdaughterofkrypton
05-12-2007, 07:04 PM
I know bout the declining but you have to take in account that after Promise we got the biggest fall and the show never recovered for it. So I think the problem is the show and its stupid boring storylines that make you feel like trapped in a vicious circle.

niki
05-12-2007, 07:45 PM
I can offer one little reason why TV shows may have a decline in viewers:
Practically all my friends watch TV shows on their computer. Not really TV anymore, is it? Hehe. They miss a show, they know they can catch it online, either on Youtube, or on the offical website of NBC or whatnot, or they download a torrent et voila -- there's the show, without any commercials, for their enjoyment.

I've only done that a couple of times, but I know a lot of people who go out for the night and miss all their shows, only to watch them when they get back at 3 in the morning heh. So that might be one explanation for the drop of viewers.

InLove_with_Chloe
05-12-2007, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by 98chase
Gilmore Girls is ending after this season. I think the CW should move Smallville to that time slot. Smallville should be shown on Tuesdays again, like it was during it's first two seasons.
I actually liked it on wednesdays.....there is practically no competition on the other networks.
Anyway, moving it to thursdays was a bad idea, IMO.

beautyfades
05-13-2007, 02:23 AM
I agree.. there's way too much tv on Thursday! Moving it to 8oclock Tuesday isn't so bad... but I think the network isn't willing to put a new show into the Thursday slot cause it'll just do poorly among its competition. So if the network is looking at the bigger picture, it's better to leave smallville on thursday.

NotTodayPete
05-13-2007, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by monel49
Soap opera focus instead of super hero focuse seems to be the reason for the decline. The show was going somewhere with the Martian Manhunter, Justice League, etc, and this past episode wasn't bad in getting things pointed in that direction again. I've enjoyed this season, but when you ignore the Superman mythos, you do so at your own peril. I would have enjoyed the season more if they would have stuck to that. Maybe Tom Welling had other things to do and places to be but does anyone else notice how little screen time he really has. Having him rush in and save Chloe or proclaim his love to Lana is just not going to be enough for Superman fans. Love this show, but it needs to be tweaked back to perfection. Focus on the mythos, then watch the ratings grow.
I agree, they could have done so much with the zoners,the FOS, Clark's training, 33.1, and the jla, but they went to a soap format.

CallMeClark
05-13-2007, 05:50 PM
I think Wednesday at 8 would also be a good time slot. No competition, really. At least not as much as Tuesday (Idol) and Thursday (Survivor).

InLove_with_Chloe
05-13-2007, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by CallMeClark
I think Wednesday at 8 would also be a good time slot. No competition, really. At least not as much as Tuesday (Idol) and Thursday (Survivor).
I agree. Does anyone remember the reason why they moved it to Thursdays???
:confused:
I remember people considered that a death sentence at the time.

Best Episode - 321
05-14-2007, 12:12 AM
It was moved from Wednesday because it was airing against Lost in season 4 and the executives thought that was the reason for the ratings decline.

That was three years ago. They still can't figure out that good stories get better audiences.

InLove_with_Chloe
05-14-2007, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
It was moved from Wednesday because it was airing against Lost in season 4 and the executives thought that was the reason for the ratings decline.

That was three years ago. They still can't figure out that good stories get better audiences.
Aaaah, I completely forgot about 'Lost' that's true.....

But wednesday 8 PM would be a good slot, no?

Kryptonian-Ronin
05-14-2007, 06:10 AM
Fresh story lines they keep people coming back is the only way to make a show popular, more so when the show breaks the 5 year mark and the characters are "established".
The "freshly squeezed" smell is gone and the show must go on based on new and exciting story lines that showcase WHY people want to see the show.

Character progression is needed in dramas, this is not comedy.

CallMeClark
05-14-2007, 06:59 AM
The problem with Wednesday, I believe, is that every show wants that night @ 8. As you can see ANTM flies high with over 6 million viewers during that timeslot. I doubt they want to give it up.

InLove_with_Chloe
05-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Character progression is needed in dramas, this is not comedy.
Unfortunately we're not getting any of that.
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Originally posted by CallMeClark
As you can see ANTM flies high with over 6 million viewers during that timeslot.
That depresses me everytime I read it......
Man, what has the world become?!?

kkjdt
05-14-2007, 12:03 PM
oh deer..
I got bored today and decided to watch ugly betty just too see if maybe that was pulling people away....you know I think it just might be it wasn't bad i enjoyed it ***shh shh
I don't like te story line in smallville which i hear all the time.... new cute show adds up to disaster

CallMeClark
05-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
That depresses me everytime I read it......
Man, what has the world become?!?
Models, not eating and outer beauty. It's a sad sad world. ;)

Somnium
05-14-2007, 02:21 PM
To be honest I just download the episode from the web and watch it when I want to. Its a lot more convinient and I know a lot of my friends do the same, especially now that the sun is out and you want to go out. I'm sure a lot of other people do that too and its affecting rating.

Kryptonian-Ronin
05-15-2007, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by Somnium
To be honest I just download the episode from the web and watch it when I want to. Its a lot more convinient and I know a lot of my friends do the same, especially now that the sun is out and you want to go out. I'm sure a lot of other people do that too and its affecting rating.

Well then, I hope there are NOT alot like you...

Best Episode - 321
05-15-2007, 12:55 PM
It was almost a certainty that Smallville would be renewed for a 7th season, but it is now official.




CW has handed out series orders to comedy "Aliens In America" and dramas "Gossip Girl," "Reaper" and the untitled South Africa project.

Additionally, the network has renewed sci-fi dramas 'Smallville' and 'Supernatural' and teen soap "One Tree Hill" for next season.

"Aliens," now to be produced by CBS Paramount Network TV and Warner Bros. TV, centers on a teen Pakistani Muslim in the U.S.

The pickup of "Gossip," also from WBTV, makes it two new series orders for "The O.C." creator Josh Schwartz, who also has dramedy "Chuck" ordered at NBC.

"Reaper," from ABC Studios, is a comedic drama about the devil and his bounty hunter, while the CBS Par TV-produced South Africa project is an adaptation of the British family drama set at a South African game preserve.

Link to Article (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i939dbea16d137230013673f225773b2a)

Kryptonian-Ronin
05-15-2007, 01:21 PM
Now, the issue is BUDGET.

indiandevil81
05-16-2007, 03:59 AM
hi everyone, new guy here. live in south america,
so i just download eps. no cw here, so 2 bad for ratings, since there are a lot of people who have 2 download from the net. makes me kinda wonder what the count would say if the downloading people would be added up in ratings...

ScottM1956
05-16-2007, 10:19 AM
Just got the week ratings in from the Nielson's

Smallville continues to go downhill.
Ranked 98 this week compared to 94 last week

Overall, CW is hurting, it's losing a lot of it's veteran series. Don't really know how much longer it can survive.

Now NBC is taking L&O: Criminal Intent and putting it over to USA Network. Where it will do an encore performance on Saturday nights on NBC. Now that's creative thinking on NBC's part. Someone must have lost a lot of sleep on that idea.

Somnium
05-16-2007, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Well then, I hope there are NOT alot like you...

I know it's supposely bad because it hurts the rating, but it seems (not only with Smallville but with other, even more popular series) that this how stuff will look like in couple of years. Its just a new way for watching TV, and the networks will have to adjust if they want to survive, like everything else in life. I've read that if you counts the viewers that watch the series on DVR and such you should up the rating by 20%.