TV Ratings for Noir

[xrayvision]

Talk about TV ratings for Noir here.

[Routh]

I'm crossing my fingers for at least 4 million. No preemptions, new markets added (last week, pleeeease! We can't stay in the 3 millions for much longer.

[Best Episode - 321]

I know the early season ratings have been discussed recently.
I figured I'd post them since I recently found them online.

SMALLVILLE
Season 1
Time Period: Tuesdays 9 p.m.

Episode 1 (10/16/01) - Viewers: 8.4 million
Episode 2 (10/23/01) - Viewers: 7.3 million
Episode 3 (10/30/01) - Viewers: 6.0 million
Episode 4 (11/06/01) - Viewers: 6.6 million
Episode 5 (11/13/01) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 6 (11/20/01) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 7 (11/27/01) - Viewers: 7.4 million
Episode 8 (12/11/01) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 9 (1/15/02) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 10 (1/29/02) - Viewers: 7.0 million
Episode 11 (2/05/02) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 12 (2/12/02) - Viewers: 6.1 million
Episode 13 (2/26/02) - Viewers: 6.2 million
Episode 14 (3/12/02) - Viewers: 6.9 million
Episode 15 (3/19/02) - Viewers: 6.7 million
Episode 16 (4/16/02) - Viewers: 6.0 million
Episode 17 (4/23/02) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 18 (4/30/02) - Viewers: 5.7 million
Episode 19 (5/07/02) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 20 (5/14/02) - Viewers: 6.1 million
Episode 21 (5/21/02) - Viewers: 6.0 million


SMALLVILLE
Season 2
Time Period: Tuesdays 9 p.m.

Episode 1 (9/24/02) - Viewers: 8.7 million
Episode 2 (10/01/02) - Viewers: 8.1 million
Episode 3 (10/08/02) - Viewers: 8.8 million
Episode 4 (10/15/02) - Viewers: 8.9 million
Episode 5 (10/22/02) - Viewers: 8.3 million
Episode 6 (10/29/02) - Viewers: 8.2 million
Episode 7 (11/05/02) - Viewers: 9.4 million
Episode 8 (11/12/02) - Viewers: 7.4 million
Episode 9 (11/19/02) - Viewers: 8.3 million
Episode 10 (11/26/02) - Viewers: 8.6 million
Episode 11 (1/14/03) - Viewers: 7.3 million
Episode 12 (1/21/03) - Viewers: 6.6 million
Episode 13 (1/28/03) - Viewers: 7.5 million
Episode 14 (2/04/03) - Viewers: 8.1 million
Episode 15 (2/11/03) - Viewers: 7.4 million
Episode 16 (2/18/03) - Viewers: 7.9 million
Episode 17 (2/25/03) - Viewers: 8.7 million
Episode 18 (4/15/03) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 19 (4/22/03) - Viewers: 6.7 million
Episode 20 (4/29/03) - Viewers: 6.5 million
Episode 21 (5/06/03) - Viewers: 7.0 million
Episode 22 (5/13/03) - Viewers: 7.1 million
Episode 23 (5/20/03) - Viewers: 7.5 million


SMALLVILLE
Season 3
Time Period: Wednesdays 8 p.m.

Episode 1 (10/01/03) - Viewers: 6.8 million
Episode 2 (10/08/03) - Viewers: 6.7 million
Episode 3 (10/15/03) - Viewers: 6.5 million
Episode 4 (10/22/03) - Viewers: 6.9 million
Episode 5 (10/29/03) - Viewers: 6.7 million
Episode 6 (11/05/03) - Viewers: 6.7 million
Episode 7 (11/12/03) - Viewers: 6.9 million
Episode 8 (11/19/03) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 9 (1/14/04) - Viewers: 5.6 million
Episode 10 (1/21/04) - Viewers: 5.1 million
Episode 11 (1/28/04) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 12 (2/04/04) - Viewers: 5.3 million
Episode 13 (2/11/04) - Viewers: 5.0 million
Episode 14 (2/18/04) - Viewers: 5.3 million
Episode 15 (2/25/04) - Viewers: 4.9 million
Episode 16 (3/03/04) - Viewers: 5.3 million
Episode 17 (4/14/04) - Viewers: 4.5 million
Episode 18 (4/21/04) - Viewers: 4.4 million
Episode 19 (4/28/04) - Viewers: 4.3 million
Episode 20 (5/05/04) - Viewers: 4.7 million
Episode 21 (5/12/04) - Viewers: 4.5 million
Episode 22 (5/19/04) - Viewers: 5.9 million


SMALLVILLE
Season 4
Time Period: Wednesdays 8 p.m.

Episode 1 (9/22/04) - Viewers: 6.1 million
Episode 2 (9/29/04) - Viewers: 5.7 million
Episode 3 (10/06/04) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 4 (10/13/04) - Viewers: 6.2 million
Episode 5 (10/20/04) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 6 (10/27/04) - Viewers: 5.7 million
Episode 7 (11/03/04) - Viewers: 5.0 million
Episode 8 (11/10/04) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 9 (11/17/04) - Viewers: 5.1 million
Episode 10 (12/01/04) - Viewers: 4.9 million
Episode 11 (1/26/05) - Viewers: 4.2 million
Episode 12 (2/02/05) - Viewers: 4.8 million
Episode 13 (2/09/05) - Viewers: 4.9 million
Episode 14 (2/16/05) - Viewers: 5.1 million
Episode 15 (2/23/05) - Viewers: 5.3 million
Episode 16 (3/02/05) - Viewers: 4.5 million
Episode 17 (4/13/05) - Viewers: 3.8 million
Episode 18 (4/20/05) - Viewers: 4.4 million
Episode 19 (4/27/05) - Viewers: 4.6 million
Episode 20 (5/04/05) - Viewers: 4.5 million
Episode 21 (5/11/05) - Viewers: 4.0 million
Episode 22 (5/18/05) - Viewers: 5.5 million


SMALLVILLE
Season 5
Time Period: Thursdays 8 p.m.

Episode 1 (9/29/05) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 2 (10/06/05) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 3 (10/13/05) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 4 (10/20/05) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 5 (10/27/05) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 6 (11/03/05) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 7 (11/10/05) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 8 (11/17/05) - Viewers: 6.0 million
Episode 9 (12/08/05) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 10 (1/12/06) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 11 (1/19/06) - Viewers: 4.9 million
Episode 12 (1/26/06) - Viewers: 6.3 million
Episode 13 (2/02/06) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 14 (2/09/06) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 15 (2/16/06) - Viewers: 6.2 million
Episode 16 (3/30/06) - Viewers: 4.8 million
Episode 17 (4/06/06) - Viewers: 4.2 million
Episode 18 (4/13/06) - Viewers: 3.9 million
Episode 19 (4/20/06) - Viewers: 4.4 million
Episode 20 (4/27/06) - Viewers: 4.3 million
Episode 21 (5/04/06) - Viewers: 4.8 million
Episode 22 (5/11/06) - Viewers: 4.9 million


Season 1 (2001-2002): 6.41 million
Season 2 (2002-2003): 7.78 million
Season 3 (2003-2004): 5.63 million
Season 4 (2004-2005): 5.03 million
Season 5 (2005-2006): 5.32 million


Link to Ratings - by wbrocks (http://wbratings.*********55.com/index.cgi?board=dramas&action=display&thread=1174185512)

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SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................

* - Final Rating

Season 6 (2006-2007): 4.65 million

[RedKRules]

Episode 7 (11/05/02) - Viewers: 9.4 million
Wowwwww I did not know about this one ......just great old times :rolleyes: .....:)

[Bosrudorfer]

Wow downhill since it started lol.

It will be very interesting to see how well it does today. Personally I'm not at all interested in the episode and may take a nap.

BTW so Nemesis was the lowest episode ever!? Along with Progeny taking second!? :o

[LegendaryU2K]

I still say smallville needs more promotion. I thought with the cw coming, they will do it, but i see the same. I just try to do my job and i hope next season they can promote more.

[bibi_sv___clana4ever]

I guess 8pm on thursday isn't the best spot for smallville.

[kalelnica]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Episode 7 (11/05/02) - Viewers: 9.4 million
Wowwwww I did not know about this one ......just great old times :rolleyes: .....:)

yea first three season were the best had the best ratings

[cloisinmyheart]

:( aw thats depressingg..cmon! get your friends to watch smallville everyone

[PhantomZone]

I think that the fact that the first few seasons weren't swamped with mindless reality shows helped the ratings. Also the network was coming off a Dawson's Creek style teen angst drama. All the serialized shows are hurting in the ratings b/c if you miss one, there isn't really a recap. Lost, 24, Heroes are all down. Its dissapointing b/c advertisers see ratings and they take the ads to those shows. I mean the Pussycat Dolls? Maybe they should get a new song instead of a new member...

Also, the Superman mythology was more prominent when Clark was discovering his powers. Its more of a love triangle now with Jonathan Kent gone and the 4 main focal characters.

[jack1487]

Originally posted by LegendaryU2K
I still say smallville needs more promotion. I thought with the cw coming, they will do it, but i see the same. I just try to do my job and i hope next season they can promote more.

I have to agree with you on that one. No business can get to the top if you don't advertise what they are selling and in this case it a tv program called Smallville. In my area we hardly seen any ad's what so ever. Bad business choice by the wheels at the CW, they need to get their head out of their A**'s and start pushing the show more. I can not see any of them going any where. Any how my 2cents worth.

Take Care,

Jack

[Chloe>All]

Wait, Lineage had the best rating ever? It wasn't even all that great an episode.

[MackLove]

Well this all explains why I am running out of ppl to txt during the show.. I thought I was just losing friends, but its much worse, we're losing viewers :(

[boywithbluehanger]

Its funny because a show starring Clark Kent should be advertised a bit more heavily. I never would have guessed that with the direction the show has gone in after season 3 that the ratings would continue to fall so drastically.

Heck Tom Welling should be constantly featured on late night shows and American Express commercials or something!

[BadClark4Ever]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
Its funny because a show starring Clark Kent should be advertised a bit more heavily. I never would have guessed that with the direction the show has gone in after season 3 that the ratings would continue to fall so drastically.

Heck Tom Welling should be constantly featured on late night shows and American Express commercials or something!

I'd love to see Tom have an endorsement deal. I'm sure he's had many offers. However, he is intensely private so you won't see him drunkenly clubbing with Paris and Lindsay Lohan. Maybe has a contractual restriction, which doesn't make sense, but he does have the Superman/CK image to protect. In either case, the CW doesn't give enough publicity or advertising to Smallville or it's cast. I'd love to see that change... especially for the finale.

[Best Episode - 321]

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.55 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4)

Link (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/42410594/p/1)
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SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.55

* - Final Rating

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Damn....patterns like that make no one happy...

[beautyfades]

i'm wondering how big the playoffs are affecting the ratings.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by beautyfades
i'm wondering how big the playoffs are affecting the ratings.

I am sure there is always some effect, though its not like this is the first year ever that Smallville has had competition, look at the first post of this thread and look at the April and May dates.

There were playoffs then too.

Its just a case of the CW not doing a very good job of advertising their product, storylines that could be putting off some viewers and lousy access to major markets.

Of course when they go to their sponsores for $$$, all the sponsors see is how many viewers.

[newfamfan]

A lot of factors can cause ratings to drop. Promotion in my opinion is the biggest problem.

But...remember opinion only!....I feel that the rumor of a death of a main character is also a factor. The Chloe fans and Lana fans are fearing their character is going and I know personally a few that don't want to invest in the end of the season to watch their character go out in a non climatic end. The two female characters have too big a following to get rid of either...and some fans just give up after so much heartache and worry...they feel it just isn't worth it to see their character leave after all this time.

EDIT: Is this common knowledge...I hope I am not posting spoilerish information..Please delete if so.

[Routh]

If the final numbers don't rise substantially, Noir will be the least watched episode in the history of Smallville.

How sad.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by newfamfan
A lot of factors can cause ratings to drop. Promotion in my opinion is the biggest problem.

But...remember opinion only!....I feel that the rumor of a death of a main character is also a factor. The Chloe fans and Lana fans are fearing their character is going and I know personally a few that don't want to invest in the end of the season to watch their character go out in a non climatic end. The two female characters have too big a following to get rid of either...and some fans just give up after so much heartache and worry...they feel it just isn't worth it to see their character leave after all this time.

EDIT: Is this common knowledge...I hope I am not posting spoilerish information..Please delete if so.

Even IF one of the main Character dies, this is Smallville, death is only permanent for Johnathan kent !

[Bosrudorfer]

Wow! Not good! But I'm not surprised. Noir wasnt at all an exciting episode and I myself wasnt going to watch but did.

If they kill off a character they can kiss more people goodbye too. If Lana is the chosen one I'll give the show the finger and leave.

[Fly by guy]

What I look at is the drop proportional from the first half of the seasons to the second half. It appears the hiatus is tough each season with approx. 1.5 million viewer drops. This season seems to follow last season. Unfortunately it did not start out as high as season 5. The fall after Reckoning and Hypnotic last year was drastic. This season's "Hypnotic" appears to be Combat, since the ratings don't seem to be recovering even after an excellent show last week.
Noir did nothing to reverse the trend, JMHO.

[PhantomZone]

I also think that with every serialized show, the initial impact wears off over time. Lost, 24, etc., have all been upstaged by the latest craze like Ugly Betty or Grey's Annatomy. Remember when the OC was the "water cooler" show? Look what happened to that, a February series finale. Plus everyone has tivo or DVR now, so that also has some effect. Heck even the Simpsons has hit an all time low in ratings, obviously because its been on so long that only the diehard fans are left.

Also, if they were going to kill off a major character I really think they would have some sort of advertising by now like they did with Jonathan Kent. They advertised the heck out of that episode for almost a month. When its still light out at 8:30p its also hard to stay in and watch tv.

[ClarkRules!]

this is really sad, for such a great episode, that was a tribute to the Noir genre, and done so excellently!

the effort of all the cast and crew, producers and writers is greatly appreciated by those who see the value of what this show is doing!


CBS won the 8 p.m. hour with "Survivor: Fiji," 8.3/14. ABC's "Ugly Betty" earned a 7.1/12, an improvement over recent weeks. "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?" put FOX in third, beating the 4.7/8 average for super-sized editions of "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office" on NBC A "noir" episode of "Smallville" earned a 2.1/4 for The CW.

[monstra]

those ratings sucksucksuck so bad

now i think promise having lexana getting married did affect the ratings

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by monstra
those ratings sucksucksuck so bad

now i think promise having lexana getting married did affect the ratings

yes yes yes!

Clana fans got pissed!

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
Clana fans got pissed!

From what I recall, many Clana fans seemed more than happy with "Promise." Yes, Lana married Lex. But that episode pretty much spelled out, in neon letters, that she was doing it under duress, she didn't really love Lex after all, and Clark was the one she really wanted. Not to mention the fact that she finally learned the secret, something Clana fans have been pushing for for years.

If anything, it seemed like most of the people unhappy with "Promise" were non-Clana fans. Of the people I know who stopped watching the show after that episode (and there are a few), none of them were Clana fans outraged over the Lex/Lana marriage. Mostly, they saw "Promise" as proof that the show had well and truly become a soap opera, and just gave up.

[MidgardDragon]

Umm, I'm pretty sure this steady drop which has gone on pretty much *since Justice* proves the opposite of Promise effecting the ratings. Promise is well out of the mindset of the casual Smallville fan by now, and the ratings are still dropping.

In the words of Tempus, "DUH!"

[Bosrudorfer]

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.586 million viewers; 2.1/4 HH; 1.5/4 A18-49; 1.6/5 A18-34)

Link (http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/42410594/p/12)
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SEASON 6 Week to Week

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.58*

* - Final Rating

[MidgardDragon]

Because of the wedding I think it ended the chance of Clana ever happening.

Surely anyone who has watched the show ever before Promise would realize that something as insignificant as a weeding would not necessarily stop the Clana-drama.

[kkjdt]

are you kidding the wedding ending the chance of clana .. it seems that is the way they are going which has really put me off... it use to be a good show for the family now for me at least it has a lot of immoral things happening...Superman going after a married woman .....
:rolleyes: :\

[ClarkyBoy14]

Wow, horrible numbers. "Noir" was barely promoted at all, and, although it was a nice episode, black & white film noir just isn't going to appeal to the masses, especially not the CW's target demo. Plus, the competition is brutal and sunlight has worked its charm on people.

I just hope we can get at least 4 million again before the season ends, but that's starting to sound unlikely. But maybe the BSG guest star will help. I think it helped SN a bit.

[Tacosupes]

tHE RATINGS FOR pROGENY AND nemeSIS WERE SO POOR BECAUSE sMALLIVILLE TAKES TOO MANY GAPS. hALF THE PEOPLE WHO dont go to this site probally didnt know the new episodes were even back yet.
Thats the real problem holding Season 6 back I think, too many breaks and not enough notice when the breaks are over and new episodes are back. Thats why I missed several episodes of Season 3 when they first aired , I got thrown off by the constant mid season m reruns. If the were smart, CW 11 would do like 24 and get all the episodes done, then play them all in succession like 24 does. Just make smallville sart in January rather than sept so they have more time to finish SFX. The ratings would benefit from it. Progeny and Nemesis shouldnt have had such low ratings. I blame the breaks.

Lol I cant believe Fallout got such high ratings. What did people tune in to see bow wow? he sucks.

Lol for combat they should have Used John Cena or the rock,would have gotten them Higher ratings. Kane Sucks too.

Oh and I rather see Trish Stratus rather than that No-name WWE chick. She was skanky.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Episode 7 (11/05/02) - Viewers: 9.4 million
Wowwwww I did not know about this one ......just great old times :rolleyes: .....:)

I was quite impressed!:eek: I had to look up the DVD in my 2nd season collection and was surprised to learn that Episode 7, the 9.4 million share episode, was "Lineage". I had to wonder WHY? It wasn't so 'special', at least not to me. It was that episode where a woman from Lionel Luthor's past came looking for the baby (that had been Lionel's) that was taken from her after Lionel had her institutionalized for being Mentally Unstable. She thought that Clark was her long-lost child. It was really Good, but to have gotten the best Ratings EVER!? :\ :confused: BUT, STILL happy about it! :lol:

[Polomontana]

I think the steady decline is happening because the shows have not been that good. This last episode was the worst of the season. I think next year will be the last season and the writers are starting to wrap things up very quickly.

I think 2 people will die by seasons end to clear up salaries for the seventh season. They will die or disappear. Probably Lionel and Lana. The seventh season will really focus on the relationship between Lex and Clark. You can't complain though, seven seasons is very good for a t.v. series.

[wolverine316]

The truth is this season, the writers stupidly took a wrong turn with the Lexana wedding and fake baby storyline. You can track the dramatic decline in ratings from there. I mean from season to season the ratings drop was steady but in the beginning of this season the show was hovering around 4.5 - 4.8 million viewers. Which was pretty decent for a show that has been going on 6 years. But all of a sudden over 1 million viewers are gone? After "Promise" each episode there was a drop in ratings.

[kalelnica]

Originally posted by Chloe>All
Wait, Lineage had the best rating ever? It wasn't even all that great an episode.
it was probably advertising

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by wolverine316
The truth is this season, the writers stupidly took a wrong turn with the Lexana wedding and fake baby storyline. You can track the dramatic decline in ratings from there.
I agree.
On top of that: there has been absolutely no development over the last few years. People get tired of that, IMO.
Maybe it would be best if CW pulled the plug now.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
:rolleyes: That is possibly one of the stupidest statements I have ever read.

Why? He is right, it's been 6 seasons and Smallville's Clark is still a wussy who can't seem to hold onto a single girl. Personally for me its REALLY hard to see him turning into or as Superman.

Lex cries to daddy most of the time and is supposed to be an evil badass and Lana can't seem to decide on what flavor she wants so tries more samples.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
yes yes yes!

Clana fans got pissed!

After the romantic moment in Nemesis??? Even as a non Clana fan I will admit that was beautifully filmed and acted, and one of their best moments ever. So umm why would Clana fans be pissed? They are bringing back the Clana after all. I thought that Clana fans were pissed after Vessel's "I can't believe I ever loved you" and boycotted at that point? I certainly saw a lot of Clana fans loudly talking of early season 6's rating being so awful because of the cold Clana, how millions of Clana fans weren't watching, and making promises of what bringing Clana back would do for ratings.

The time for Lexana was actually earlier in the season with episodes like Wither and Static. Particularly Wither which ended with Lexana sex. Lana was more on Lex's side back in those days, and barely interacted with Clark. But ratings obviously held steady after Wither. Lana is a Luthor in name only since Promise, so it's a real stretch to blame Lexana for the current ratings.


Promise was what saw the series going in a radically different direction. Lana cheating on Lex, only being with him to protect Clark. And Noir was promoted with Clana kissing in the trailers I'm afraid. The episode before Noir even had a romantic Clana moment (one that was pushed in trailers), to add to the Clana build-up.


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Umm, I'm pretty sure this steady drop which has gone on pretty much *since Justice* proves the opposite of Promise effecting the ratings.

Promise saw a huge drop of about 70 thousand viewers, easily the biggest of the season. And ratings have never picked up since. If you look at the overall ratings, that's when the pattern seemed to go drastically down. Ratings didn't go down particularly after Justice, Labyrinth and Crimson did fine for the season average



Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.55

[Timester]

Uhm, I think that the Lineage ranting is wrong. If I do remember well, Rosetta was the most watched episode ever.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Imzadia
I was quite impressed!:eek: I had to look up the DVD in my 2nd season collection and was surprised to learn that Episode 7, the 9.4 million share episode, was "Lineage". I had to wonder WHY? It wasn't so 'special', at least not to me.

Lineage was a great episode! It was the one that went back to the meteour shower, and had flashbacks Clark's discovery, and young Lex with Lionel. Plus Lex and Clark's meeting, and Clark brushing Lex's face. And finding out about Jonathon's deal with Lionel. It was a really good episode for the mythology I thought, and stood out from the MotW episodes that it was following

[Timester]

And about Promise, how dare now the Clana fans now saying that it's all Lexana's fault when they actually were happy with Promise because of Clana in the first place?...

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Naomi
After the romantic moment in Nemesis??? Even as a non Clana fan I will admit that was beautifully filmed and acted, and one of their best moments ever. So umm why would Clana fans be pissed? They are bringing back the Clana after all. I thought that Clana fans were pissed after Vessel's "I can't believe I ever loved you" and boycotted at that point? I certainly saw a lot of Clana fans loudly talking of early season 6's rating being so awful because of the cold Clana, how millions of Clana fans weren't watching, and making promises of what bringing Clana back would do for ratings.

The time for Lexana was actually earlier in the season with episodes like Wither and Static. Particularly Wither which ended with Lexana sex. Lana was more on Lex's side back in those days, and barely interacted with Clark. But ratings obviously held steady after Wither. Lana is a Luthor in name only since Promise, so it's a real stretch to blame Lexana for the current ratings.


Promise was what saw the series going in a radically different direction. Lana cheating on Lex, only being with him to protect Clark. And Noir was promoted with Clana kissing in the trailers I'm afraid. The episode before Noir even had a romantic Clana moment (one that was pushed in trailers), to add to the Clana build-up.



Promise saw a huge drop of about 70 thousand viewers, easily the biggest of the season. And ratings have never picked up since. If you look at the overall ratings, that's when the pattern seemed to go drastically down. Ratings didn't go down particularly after Justice, Labyrinth and Crimson did fine for the season average



Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*
Nemesis..............3.88*
Noir....................3.55

Combat also saw the first of the pre-emptions.

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[Naomi]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Combat also saw the first of the pre-emptions. Feel free to go on blaming Promise for all of Smallville's woes. It won't get you anywhere but to whiny-town.

Well and feel free to insult me as your oppsing argument lol. I am simply discussing the fact of ratings dipping, no reason to get defensive. But I'm glad that you do now agree with me that ratings dropped after Promise anyway :)

Oh and Combat and Progeny were premepted in major cities. Nemesis and Noir were not, so there must be more to the poor ratings than that surely?


Originally posted by Timester
And about Promise, how dare now the Clana fans now saying that it's all Lexana's fault when they actually were happy with Promise because of Clana in the first place?...
Oh you know that if ratings rose for Noir or Promise, it would be because of the Clana in the trailers. And when it's not it's because of the Lexana. Well okay then :lol: Never mind that there hasn't even been any Lexana since Promise!

I do find it funny after the huge insistence on how terrible the ratings of early season 6 were, and how bringing back Clana would fix things. Well there's been a steady build-up to Clana for a while now (since Hydro maybe, definitely since Promise), and it has not helped ratings at all. Superman focused episodes like Justice are the ones really doing well. Too bad the CW still refuse to see that.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Naomi
Well and feel free to insult me as your oppsing argument lol. I am simply discussing the fact of ratings dipping, no reason to get defensive. But I'm glad that you do now agree with me that ratings dropped after Promise anyway :)

Oh and Combat and Progeny were premepted in major cities. Nemesis and Noir were not, so there must be more to the poor ratings than that surely?

Okay, let's say the ratings dropped because of Promise. Some people blame the Clana in there but it could also have been because Lana ended up marrying Lex. Marriage has a finality to it that some viewers probably didn't like.

Just like the ratings never recovered after Reckoning when Lana was suppose to learn Clark's secret and the viewers were once again blindsided when AlMiles reset the whole secret reveal.

You have to remember most viewers don't read spoilers.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Okay, let's say the ratings dropped because of Promise. Some people blame the Clana in there but it could also have been because Lana ended up marrying Lex. Marriage has a finality to it that some viewers probably didn't like.

Just like the ratings never recovered after Reckoning when Lana was suppose to learn Clark's secret and the viewers were once again blindsided when AlMiles reset the whole secret reveal.

You have to remember most viewers don't read spoilers.

The funny thing is I have yet to see someone complaining about Clana and the ratings. And remember, the Clana fans were the ones that praised that Clana was back, that the ratings would go up after Promise.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Okay, let's say the ratings dropped because of Promise. Some people blame the Clana in there but it could also have been because Lana ended up marrying Lex. Marriage has a finality to it that some viewers probably didn't like.

But it wasn't final. Clana fans were so excited after Promise because of the hope that it gave Clana, I saw Clana fans on this very board protesting at the perception that everyone hated Promise. Wither was the episode which seemed to be heavily pushing Lexana as the couple of the future as Lana dresses with Lex at the party, and then sleeps with him. Not to mention the baby and engagement after Static and Subterrean. Isn't that more final than Lana being blackmailed into marriage, and carrying Lex's fake baby?


Just like the ratings never recovered after Reckoning when Lana was suppose to learn Clark's secret and the viewers were once again blindsided when AlMiles reset the whole secret reveal.


Ratings did not drop because of Reckonning. Like Justice for this season, Reckonning simply received abnormally large numbers, the seasonal average didn't drop direcetly after that episode though

And was it promoted as Lana learning the secret? I remember the number of trailers and hype about a major character dying, and plus it was the 100th episode, so it received extra coverage. But the focus was always on which character won't make it. Something that they started building up to early with the fake-out death of the sherrif

And besides Cyborg still got 6.2 viewers. The real drop seemed to be after the hiatus. From Hypnotic onwards ratings were pretty dire, and I wonder if that's to do with A&M getting their new season after all, and starting to stall. But who knows. Season 5 ratings suggest that it was doing fine until the hiatus drop with Hypnotic though anyway. Vengeance still got 5.4 which is respectable enough


Episode 1 (9/29/05) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 2 (10/06/05) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 3 (10/13/05) - Viewers: 5.9 million
Episode 4 (10/20/05) - Viewers: 6.4 million
Episode 5 (10/27/05) - Viewers: 5.8 million
Episode 6 (11/03/05) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 7 (11/10/05) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 8 (11/17/05) - Viewers: 6.0 million
Episode 9 (12/08/05) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 10 (1/12/06) - Viewers: 5.5 million
Episode 11 (1/19/06) - Viewers: 4.9 million
Episode 12 (1/26/06) - Viewers: 6.3 million
Episode 13 (2/02/06) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 14 (2/09/06) - Viewers: 5.4 million
Episode 15 (2/16/06) - Viewers: 6.2 million
Episode 16 (3/30/06) - Viewers: 4.8 million
Episode 17 (4/06/06) - Viewers: 4.2 million
Episode 18 (4/13/06) - Viewers: 3.9 million
Episode 19 (4/20/06) - Viewers: 4.4 million
Episode 20 (4/27/06) - Viewers: 4.3 million
Episode 21 (5/04/06) - Viewers: 4.8 million
Episode 22 (5/11/06) - Viewers: 4.9 million

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Timester
The funny thing is I have yet to see someone complaining about Clana and the ratings. And remember, the Clana fans were the ones that praised that Clana was back, that the ratings would go up after Promise.

Well I wasn't one of those people.

I think the ratings reflect the overall storyline for the season so far.

And I honestly believe that people watch the season premier to get a preview of what this show is offering for the rest of the season. The ratings for season premier usually set the bar for how the rest of the season will fare.

Only speaking for myself, but as a casual viewer for other shows like Bones, I usually go by what I see in the trailer if I'll watch an ep or not. If I like the trailer, I'll make sure to watch.

I think WB did a much better job in creating trailers that got people excited to watch the next ep. CW's trailer imho, sucks.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
Well I wasn't one of those people.

I think the ratings reflect the overall storyline for the season so far.

And I honestly believe that people watch the season premier to get a preview of what this show is offering for the rest of the season. The ratings for season premier usually set the bar for how the rest of the season will fare.

You know that I agree. It's sad that, as always, the good stuff is always secondary to the soap opera in Smallville. Last year was Milton Fine, this year is the 33.1.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
Why? He is right, it's been 6 seasons and Smallville's Clark is still a wussy who can't seem to hold onto a single girl. Personally for me its REALLY hard to see him turning into or as Superman.Yes, you're right. Nothing has changed. JK hasn't died. Lana and Lex haven't been married. Lex and Clark arn't enemies. Lana and Chloe don't know Clark's secret. Lex isn't bad. Clark hasn't vowed to accept his destiny. Silly me, I just imagined it all!:l

[Naomi]

If only they could have kept GA around, and build off the success of Justice. The episodes where they introduce DC characters are their most successful, not soap opera Clexana

[Timester]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Yes, you're right. Nothing has changed. JK hasn't died. Lana and Lex haven't been married. Lex and Clark arn't enemies. Lana and Chloe don't know Clark's secret. Lex isn't bad. Clark hasn't vowed to accept his destiny. Silly me, I just imagined it all!:l

Huge difference. He is talking about character, you are talking about events.

[jimmyolsenblues]

that is so upsetting that noir had the lowest ratings by far. noir which really was a great episode, not seen by so many people will not help momentum.
We will continue to lose viewers to ugly betty, i hope we are still profitable to the CW channel. this is sad news for me hoping for many more seasons of smallville.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
that is so upsetting that noir had the lowest ratings by far. noir which really was a great episode, not seen by so many people will not help momentum.
We will continue to lose viewers to ugly betty, i hope we are still profitable to the CW channel. this is sad news for me hoping for many more seasons of smallville.

The soap opera is to blame. AlMiles dug the hole so deep that when they dare to do something different, they lose the soap opera viewers. It's a no-win situation. And I do believe that the success of Heroes forced AlMiles to admit to themselves that maybe they went the wrong way a couple of seasons ago.

[mobiusklein]

I agree Timester. They chased away everybody else and found that segment smaller than anticipated and more fickle.

I have to laugh and laugh. Heroes doesn't have a "Lana" or KK and man, it's totally whipping SV's ass. You don't need either to make a series magical.

[darkone]

In which season is Heroes and in which is Smallville?I despise Al/Miles for some things but I find it unfair to compare Heroes with Smallville.Let's see how succesful Heroes is in its 6th season if they even get that far.

[jor-eldeux]

People - people .... the show jumped the shark .... and never recovered. You lost the true Superman fans when it became apparently the current PTB couldn't care less about the mythos or the character. Whatever it is they have been trying to do it's been lost on at least half of the original viewership. There is nothing about the show that compels you to watch. Heroes does - it's about hope. It's about a noble cause. It's about good and evil. The characters aren't constantly struggling to be one or the other. The PTB have never given this Clark that sense of providing hope or standing for the noble cause and it's a shame. They like to honor the past actors in the show - but they don't care to honor it's base history. That's why the viewership has fallen.

[Runestone]

This is probably a dumb question, but do they only count CW ratings, or do they count ratings from Canadian viewers who watch A-Channel or any other networks it's broadcasted on?

[Bosrudorfer]

I havent seen an episode of Heroes yet.... am I really missing that much?? The commericals I've seen didnt look all that cool :~

[monel49]

I don't believe the problem with ratings reflects deep seated problems with the series. I really like SV, but the CW does virtually nothing to promote this series. I never see guest stars on other talk shows or entertainment venues. AICN, the most viewed website about sci-fi never does stories on SV. Why? I used to think they didn't like it, but maybe no one gives them any info from the studio. Scheduling, advertising, getting stars other publicity venues--all this would help a lot. Anyone have any info if the studio geeks are understanding the fan's concerns?

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by jor-eldeux
People - people .... the show jumped the shark .... and never recovered. You lost the true Superman fans when it became apparently the current PTB couldn't care less about the mythos or the character. Whatever it is they have been trying to do it's been lost on at least half of the original viewership. There is nothing about the show that compels you to watch. Heroes does - it's about hope. It's about a noble cause. It's about good and evil. The characters aren't constantly struggling to be one or the other. The PTB have never given this Clark that sense of providing hope or standing for the noble cause and it's a shame. They like to honor the past actors in the show - but they don't care to honor it's base history. That's why the viewership has fallen.

I don't know about Heroes, but I agree with everything else you've said. The problem is that Al & Miles think they're cutting edge geniuses when improving on the Superman/Superboy legend.....especially in the drama department.....when in fact they are morons because at some point it's not cutting edge anymore......it's simply crossing the line. THOSE 2 DORKS DO NOT AND ARE NOT CAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING THIS! Since "Promise", I've only watched "Progeny", but everything else?......Well, everything else has been...curiously....not only easier to miss than I would have thought....but skipping them has also been rather refreshing in a way. Two weeks ago, I would have said there is no way I would be missing the Finale....especially with Chloe's power being revealed....but now? I really don't know. Plus, even if Chloe's supposedly romoured power is used dramatically well......it's still a lame power in the long run.

As far as a death, If Lana dies, I'll cheer up a storm! If Chloe dies...I'll be Wo-Hooo! Even less reason to "occasionally" tune in to this show. Not that Chloe's got that much of a pull over me anymore. About the only thing that would please me more would be hearing that Jimmy bit the dust.....but we all know that won't be happening anytime soon.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by CK&CK
I don't know about Heroes, but I agree with everything else you've said. The problem is that Al & Miles think they're cutting edge geniuses when improving on the Superman/Superboy legend.....especially in the drama department.....when in fact they are morons because at some point it's not cutting edge anymore......it's simply crossing the line. THOSE 2 DORKS DO NOT AND ARE NOT CAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING THIS! Since "Promise", I've only watched "Progeny", but everything else?......Well, everything else has been...curiously....not only easier to miss than I would have thought....but skipping them has also been rather refreshing in a way. Two weeks ago, I would have said there is no way I would be missing the Finale....especially with Chloe's power being revealed....but now? I really don't know. Plus, even if Chloe's supposedly romoured power is used dramatically well......it's still a lame power in the long run.
Very well said. I completely agree.
This show has 2 problems, and they're called Al and Miles.

[Lis]

Originally posted by darkone
In which season is Heroes and in which is Smallville?I despise Al/Miles for some things but I find it unfair to compare Heroes with Smallville.Let's see how succesful Heroes is in its 6th season if they even get that far.
I totally agree.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by darkone:
In which season is Heroes and in which is Smallville?I despise Al/Miles for some things but I find it unfair to compare Heroes with Smallville.Let's see how succesful Heroes is in its 6th season if they even get that far.


Originally posted by Lis
I totally agree.

Sounds like valid points at first.....the only reason why I would disagree on the whole with this is that if Smallville were about anyone else (with a few exceptions, most noteably Clark Kent's biggest....and in my eyes Superior...DC rival), this show would have tanked a while back already. Heroes is about a bunch of no names....so yeah, you can't compare. Let's face it....there have been times where this show has literally been riding on the Man of Steel's coat tails......it looks as though that might not be enough anymore.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Very well said. I completely agree.
This show has 2 problems, and they're called Al and Miles.

Hello InLove_with_Chloe.........saw some of your comments on the Veronica Mars threads (at least I think it was you....if I'm wrong then just disregard this). Glad you're a Pizonica fan to. In one episode, that relationship has already surpassed the lame back pocket Chlark relationship on Smallville......at least for me. Maybe those 2 bone heads Al & Miles should watch that show to get some decent storylines.

[mobiusklein]

Just pointing out that a Lana-type is not the Alpha and Omega for viewers in general. You can have a hit show without such a character and in fact Heroes killed a character who people were dubbing a Lana-type.

Heroes isn't depending on the love for an already established mythos but the show itself is VERY much creating its own mythos and isn't riding on the coat tails of something like Superman which SV is doing. It's taking care of business because the producer knows he can't be completely lazy like Goughlar have been.

If I KNEW that this show would be as Lana-centric as it has been, I would NEVER have started watching and I think a lot of people hit the damn wall. A lot of SV fans I know LOVE Heroes and sigh that even past seasons of SV suffer in comparison.

[Timester]

Originally posted by darkone
In which season is Heroes and in which is Smallville?I despise Al/Miles for some things but I find it unfair to compare Heroes with Smallville.Let's see how succesful Heroes is in its 6th season if they even get that far.

How is unfair when half of Heroes staff came from Smallville? The same ones that were normally the backbone of Smallville mythology. And look to "Justice & Doom" interview, where the writer admitted that it was influenced by Heroes. The difference between both is the focus of the show. And it's not a season 1 vs. season 6 thing, since Smallville was focused on shipping since day 1 (which took over the show during mid season 3).

[darkone]

Originally posted by Timester
How is unfair when half of Heroes staff came from Smallville? The same ones that were normally the backbone of Smallville mythology. And look to "Justice & Doom" interview, where the writer admitted that it was influenced by Heroes. The difference between both is the focus of the show. And it's not a season 1 vs. season 6 thing, since Smallville was focused on shipping since day 1 (which took over the show during mid season 3).

Yeah but will Heroes go in a Season 6 remains to be seen.Will they have good ideas after 100 Episodes played out?Not to mention that Heroes is on a bigger network with more money and all.

[Timester]

Originally posted by darkone
Yeah but will Heroes go in a Season 6 remains to be seen.Will they have good ideas after 100 Episodes played out?Not to mention that Heroes is on a bigger network with more money and all.

And Smallville only survives because in on a smaller network. Smallville is not a cult show, Heroes, only with 1 season, already is. And again, half of the former Smallville staff is now on Heroes, they already have the experience of these kind of shows. They managed to keep the premise of the main arc ("Save the Cheerleader, Save the World") in all episodes, without a single filler.

[Johnatan Kent]

Then Go watch Heroes and shut up!Every single one of you is watching Smallville for six years and you are still whining how bad it is,nobody is forcing you to watch it,and if you dont like the show then dont watch it...go watch Heroes ,they are great and that is it...

[Kid Collins]

According to cnn.com, Heroes also lost viewers.

'Heroes' comes back, but not all viewers do

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/02/nielsens.ap/

[Timester]

Originally posted by Johnatan Kent
Then Go watch Heroes and shut up!Every single one of you is watching Smallville for six years and you are still whining how bad it is,nobody is forcing you to watch it,and if you dont like the show then dont watch it...go watch Heroes ,they are great and that is it...

Read the rules:

"15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville, or any other show we cover, is a terrible show."

And, oh, Kryptonsite is also home of Herosite. ;)


Originally posted by Kid Collins
According to cnn.com, Heroes also lost viewers.

'Heroes' comes back, but not all viewers do

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/02/nielsens.ap/

All the shows lost viewers after the break. That's what the article is about.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Timester



All the shows lost viewers after the break. That's what the article is about.

I know. That could also apply to Smallville's lower ratings.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
I know. That could also apply to Smallville's lower ratings.

After the break, yes, 3 episodes after the break, no.

[Johnatan Kent]

Originally posted by Timester
Read the rules:

"15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville, or any other show we cover, is a terrible show."

And, oh, Kryptonsite is also home of Herosite. ;)



All the shows lost viewers after the break. That's what the article is about.
Well I am new here so I am sorry but still,looks like your opinion is nothing but bad about this show...

[celita]

I regret to have started seeing Smallville. They transformed Superman's history into a torture and constant disappointment. The bad thing is that I adore Clark, Lex, Lois and Jimmy, and I want to see how they finish their trips towards their future. It is the only reason for which I see the series right now.

After "Promise" I thought "It´s over, i´m done with Smallville", because they destroyed the personage of Clark. The future Superman do telling a woman who has just get married that he loves her and ask her to leave her husband?, give me a break!, where are his values?. But I want to know how he´ll become Superman.

I don´t want that anybody like him were the future Superman, and I don´t want that "this guy that i saw in Promise" (I won´t call him Superman) were Lois´s husband and I´m a cloiser. If I do not love Clark his journey does not matter for me and definitively, from "Promise" I love him much less.

Besides, Lex Luthor faking pregnancies?, who was the genius who had the idea?, a drunk chimpanzee?

[wolverine316]

If Al/Miles don't have the balls to end Smallville after next season then maybe the CW is going to have to. If either decides to end it after season 7 it gives the writers enough time to save this train wreck, forget this "Dawson's Creek" nonsense and get the BDA toward his destiny. Make the final season memorable. These ratings are pathetic.

[supes0]

Originally posted by jor-eldeux
The PTB have never given this Clark that sense of providing hope or standing for the noble cause and it's a shame.

MHO, this is it in a nutshell.

This Clark isn't a hopeful character. Instead he is a tragic figure, constantly bemoaning his fate.

Another problem is most of the audience knows he has a happy ending, so all this angst is utterly pointless on so many levels.

As you say, it's a shame.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by Naomi
Lineage was a great episode! It was the one that went back to the meteour shower, and had flashbacks Clark's discovery, and young Lex with Lionel. Plus Lex and Clark's meeting, and Clark brushing Lex's face. And finding out about Jonathon's deal with Lionel. It was a really good episode for the mythology I thought, and stood out from the MotW episodes that it was following

Like "Timester" thought, I assumed that the 'most-watched' episode of Season 2 was going to be "Rosetta". I was surprised to learn that it was "Lineage", but I agree with you, I was much more than the usual MFotW formula show. It stood out for that and the core storyline it explored about Clark & the Kent's first meeting and their 1st encounter with the Luthors.
I watched the whole epi. since I'd gotten it out to get the info. so, I had to smile when you mentioned that Clark had touched Lex's cheek during the rescue scene. It was fresh in my memory. :)

I'm sure most of the "New" people who have just joined this forum are, understandably, shocked and somewhat confused about the large amount of negativity that's found here. I was and was embarrassed that people would act in such a manner. I'm practically New myself since it's been less than a year since I joined. I call it "The Fray". I initially thought it was going to be about our common interest and admiration for a certain Fandom, mainly the 'Superman' story. However, I'm adjusting, because I realized it's all about an individual's OPINIONS. I've visited other Superman-themed or Smallville sites, and I've been a part of other fandoms, BUT I've never come across fans who are as outrageously passionate as Smallville fans are. I can say it now with a chuckle. It used to make me sad when I read opinionated complaints about Smallville's PTB, you know, everyone involved from top to bottom. Well, maybe without such 'passion' and devotion, Smallville wouldn't still be produced for us to enjoy. It's still a 'story' that never gets old no matter how many times it's told.
I've watched anything about Superman since I was a child. I started reading Comics/Graphic Novels when I was a married adult w/children, but I didn't read Superman, because he was too two-dimensional. It wasn't until the 1978 Superman movie that I fell 'in love' with his story, because he was given more depth. He was depicted as having some emotional vulnerability...even though he was super-stronger than everyone else and nearly unbeatable, he still NEEDED others. So, Smallville has shown him that way ten-fold, and kicked normal teenage angst up several notches with him being an extraterrestrial alien. As Clark Kent, "Kal-El" will have experienced the gamut of human emotions in order to honestly say "Been there, Done that." It's the best way to give him the sincere compassion he'll need to devote his life to making a better world. Even as a Fictional being, it was necessary for me to envision how such a creature could possibly exist and be the type of person he became. His humility is Legendary, even with all his power. Smallville helped me understand how that could be possible. THAT'S WHY I LOVE "SMALLVILLE"! No matter what happens from now on with Superman, Smallville has laid down a rich and solid foundation for his personage. If Smallville ends its series run after seven years, that's a full TV series life. We should all be proud, however, I am hoping they finish it in a way that will make the majority of us proud AND happy.
I know, many of you are going to chew me out and do some major complaining about this Looooog commentary, but like I said, it's all about Opinions here...And I have a right to express mine, too.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by celita
Besides, Lex Luthor faking pregnancies?, who was the genius who had the idea?, a drunk chimpanzee?
You said it.
:(

[hemmy]

Originally posted by Chloe>All
Wait, Lineage had the best rating ever? It wasn't even all that great an episode.

why do you think 2 million less people watched the next episode :rotfl:

[monel49]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of the Al/Miles bashing. Without them, there wouldn't have been a Smallville. From the comments here, some apparently think that would have been a great idea. I do not. Ease up on the ratings rant--popularity doesn't ensure a great show. Look at Baywatch--easily the most popular show on earth according to all the statistics. Popular show, but crap television. Al/Miles have had some great eps this season and some clinkers, that's the way shows go. But people! Everybody has the right to express their opinion, that's true, but if you truly hate the show as much as some do, put yourself out of your misery--don't watch the show, and let the loyal fans enjoy this run.

[mobiusklein]

Yeah, lets chase away people who have problems with the show and watch the ratings go even lower!

And Goughlar did NOT invent Superman, it's been around before them and it's going to be around after them (though now they got a lot of people thinking Superman is a stupid jerk who thinks Lana is worth sacrificing his dad for).

the show would've been better served with better producers and they deserve all the bashing they get.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Too much drama without any progression on the part of the characters only works in soap operas where people DON'T expect progression.
This is a show about Clark's progression into Superman, and all the stuff that goes with it, not about all the stuff and, sometimes, Clark progressing into Superman.

The just stretch it out, they stretch out the relationships, the storylines, the stretch out Clark growing up and becoming Superman.

If you were to see the only the middle episode of season 5 for example and then the last one before Noir, the only difference is that Lana and Lex are married, that's it.
Clark is still NOT Superman or accpeting of his powers and responsibilities, he still pines over Lana, Lex is still the same, chloe is the same....there has been so little progression that it is not surprising that some people are turned off.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by monel49
Don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of the Al/Miles bashing. Without them, there wouldn't have been a Smallville. From the comments here, some apparently think that would have been a great idea. I do not. Ease up on the ratings rant--popularity doesn't ensure a great show. Look at Baywatch--easily the most popular show on earth according to all the statistics. Popular show, but crap television. Al/Miles have had some great eps this season and some clinkers, that's the way shows go. But people! Everybody has the right to express their opinion, that's true, but if you truly hate the show as much as some do, put yourself out of your misery--don't watch the show, and let the loyal fans enjoy this run.

:cool: Ooooh, "monel49", that sounds too much like you're trying to apply "salve" to soothe the Disgruntled's wounds, or slow down their rampaging bluster. You sound like me. :lol: If we were all in an actual room together, you'd find me sitting quietly smiling :) and taking it all in. At your comment, I'd simply raise my eyebrows and mumble, "Oh-oh, here we go, again." I hate to tell you that your 'voice of reason' won't work. They will all turn to you with an angry frown and you may as well brace yourself for the attack. :rotfl: We, as Smallville or any other series fans, by voicing our Opinions, only prove to TPTB that we're paying attention. They don't seem to care what we think, they do whatever they want to do, anyway. We either continue watching...or don't. Unless our goal is to keep them on the air, our voices could matter if we have enough requests. However, they won't make CHANGES because We ask them to if they don't see that Vision as well. So, I'll just continue to watch and enjoy and see how it plays out. :\ Chin Up, and all that! ;)


Originally posted by BadClark4Ever
I'd love to see Tom have an endorsement deal. I'm sure he's had many offers. However, he is intensely private so you won't see him drunkenly clubbing with Paris and Lindsay Lohan. Maybe has a contractual restriction, which doesn't make sense, but he does have the Superman/CK image to protect. In either case, the CW doesn't give enough publicity or advertising to Smallville or it's cast. I'd love to see that change... especially for the finale.

:rolleyes: You both have made such a GREAT point with your ideas about why Smallville may be declining in popularity. I thought it was just me with a small addiction to the show. I keep looking for any promotional ads, more frequent previews of upcoming eipsodes, cast members who might be doing ads for 'Anything' that would boost interest in seeing more of that personality. I admire Tom Welling's attitude about keeping his Private life private, but he really needs to be seen more. He should endorse 'something' just to promote himself, hoping more people who don't know him from Smallville would want to find out what he's on. All of the other cast members, as well. I agree, they should become more visible. Even it they have hectic working schedules while they're filming the series, they should definitely do guest appearances during the show's hiatus.
:rolleyes: Oh, if only they would listen to what WE have to suggest... ;)

[elway]

Were they so bad they didn't post em. Cause if they were good it'd been up the next day.
Somehow I get the feeling SV took dead last place with that crap.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

From what I hear it's a new all-time low: 3.59 million.
:(

Here's a thread about that:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73825

[Angel7]

Originally posted by Timester
And Smallville only survives because in on a smaller network. Smallville is not a cult show, Heroes, only with 1 season, already is. And again, half of the former Smallville staff is now on Heroes, they already have the experience of these kind of shows. They managed to keep the premise of the main arc ("Save the Cheerleader, Save the World") in all episodes, without a single filler.
How do u know smallville is not a cult show and heroes is?.
Have u done a survey with the viewers to determine this?

[maryjanewatson]

I liked "noir"!! I don't see why so many people didn't like it. :(

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Angel7
How do u know smallville is not a cult show and heroes is?.
Have u done a survey with the viewers to determine this?
This rarely happens, but I agree with Angel7. Smallville might be playing on a smaller Network but it could very well be considered Cult. I believe several media have referred to it as such, actually....

[DeesRyche]

I don't think it's that ppl. didn't like it but there are several facotrs to consider:

Long hiatuses, warmer weather, newer and fresher shows, complete reversion from the first half of the season and little to no promotion.

JMO-

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Heroes doesn't have a "Lana"

They had a Lana character but they were smart enough and they killed her off.


Originally posted by jor-eldeux
People - people .... the show jumped the shark .... and never recovered. You lost the true Superman fans when it became apparently the current PTB couldn't care less about the mythos or the character. Whatever it is they have been trying to do it's been lost on at least half of the original viewership. There is nothing about the show that compels you to watch. Heroes does - it's about hope. It's about a noble cause. It's about good and evil. The characters aren't constantly struggling to be one or the other. The PTB have never given this Clark that sense of providing hope or standing for the noble cause and it's a shame. They like to honor the past actors in the show - but they don't care to honor it's base history. That's why the viewership has fallen.

Very well said.

[boingo]

There is no way to clearly pin-point why ratings increase/decrease there are so many variables involved imo There is an interesting article on cnn.com regarding television's current low ratings .....


Where have all the viewers gone?

NEW YORK (AP) -- Maybe they're outside in the garden. They could be playing softball. Or perhaps they're just plain bored.

In TV's worst spring in recent memory, a startling number of Americans drifted away from television the past two months: More than 2.5 million fewer people were watching ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox than at the same time last year, statistics show.

Everyone has a theory to explain the plummeting ratings: early Daylight Savings Time, more reruns, bad shows, more shows being recorded or downloaded or streamed......keep Reading (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/09/tv.missingviewers.ap/index.html)

Source: cnn.com/Today (5/9)....If I am breaking any rules by posting this link please remove.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Its not that hard, you wanna keep the viewers, make better stories that keep people coming back.